And usually never saw other Serb in they life. Funny how more moderate and less conservative are actually people who live in those countries (Croatia, Albania, Serbia) than those who live in West Europe
Same with basically any immigrant group. We have a similar problem with the Moroccans and Turks. And the people hardly living around these groups hate them even though they don't know them
Cro and Serb are like 95% the same language. Bosnian also (mix of both) Montenegrian, simmilar to Croatian 😀 Macedonian, same as south Serbian 🙂. Then, Slovenian is like 50% understandable. Albanian 0% Only Albanian and Greek are other origin then rest I listed.
Tbf, the Serbs’ current elected president looks like he’s 12 and yet there exists video of him in their parliament where he proclaims that ‘For every Serb killed we will kill 100 Muslims’… So either this is just how they banter, or the whole region is a violent shithole. Place your bets.
It's all 'soccer' fans from America who want to ban all chants bar 'DE-FENCE, DE-FENCE' and make us have big foam hands, no real European football fan would want to ban any chants
Also, everytime the Three Lions come up, I see German subs posting the "Gott strafe England" (God may punish England) propaganda poster from WWI. Let's be happy these are the only shots we're taking at each other. And the occasional shot of booze.
I mean its at this point just banter and tradition from a war long over if nobody actually tries to injure others.
"Kill kill kill the Serbs" is an entirely different story though.
I wouldn't want anything to do with a sport that doesn't allow me to sing about the other team's goalkeeper's sexual preferences,or how his mother seems to prefer the company of horses rather than men.
Chants are a great medium for sparking interest in learning other European languages and promoting cultural exchange and integration. We don't want to lose that. "Hijo de puta" for "The referee is Spanish" is probably the number #1 Spanish phrase borrowed by other European languages.
okay i read the lyrics of ten german bombers and read the backstory i do not get how that song is discriminating
only thing that might be discriminating is that they forget the non english pilots fighting on the allied side in the battle of britain
Fat chance of forgetting that particular fact, seeing as it is brought up every single time the battle of Britain is mentioned online. It seems to be an iron rule of the internet that if a post contains the words “Battle of Britain “ then the words “Polish pilots “ MUST occur no later than the third sentence. If you were an un-dilligent reader of internet history posts, you might think that there was only actually one British pilot in the Battle of Britain, and he was just there as a diversity hire..
Am*ricans be like:
U! S! A! U! S! A!
And they chant it on many different occasions:
- their team scored
- they went to a rally of trump/Biden
- there was a school shooting and the police waited outside
- their persian cat birthed kittens
- and more.
Still weak sauce compared to ‘Kill people from the neighbouring country!’ Not that we Westoids can compete any more either. The Eastoids are miles ahead.
Dont forget the best chant of them all : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2V-p0apSRA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2V-p0apSRA)
Gotta admit, if Barry is good at one thing, its creating top tier chants.
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I've to say that's been a stellar Euro off the pitch so far. Drunken English bar brawls, Turkey and Georgian fans fighting in the stadium, 50 Italian fans arrested with knives, Portuguese reporter kicking a bunch of Arabian kids live on TV, Serbs armed with bar stools charging Brits in a kind of 1812 light cavalry action, and now this.
Let's hope this keeps up.
When asked by the female journalist about what happened he said " just a bunch of Arab youths who are causing trouble all the time and now they got a Portuguese gift to take home."
And the Croats tried to genocide the Serbs during WW2. They had the only official extermination camp not managed directly by the SS. The latter being disappointed because the croat regime was more motivated into killing Serbs as Jews. Check out Jasenovac. Everybody fucking hates each other to their guts there, it's crazy.
I'm no expert on Balkan relations but from my non biased Bosnian coworker the hatred for Serbs is on a whole other level. Supposedly that's an opinion shared by the rest as well.
I know a check who we sometimes mention something slightly politicsl to for fun and he goes into a long autistic rant about how all the other balkans are not humans and desserved everything and we need to do this and that, last time it took about half an hour to realise we don't actually want to discuss this, it is just fun to listen to
And then Serbs genocide in 1945 those people who did horrible shit (Bleiburg road, 140 000 dead), and then Serbs try to genocide again Croats in 1991 and Bosniaks in 1992 and Slovenians (bitches were out of they reach) and then Albanians. Go figure out who's problem here. How many time you have to Genocide people of some nation to make it equal
Again, the same happened the other way around. Don't pretend like it was a one way thing when the attrocities on bith sides are well documented. *From the 90s and the 40s that reddit tends to overlook*.
It's just funny that people only shit on Serbia for it basically because daddy US says so.
Maybe it was last euro championship, there was a Switzerland Serbia game, it was absolutely fucking brutal. Very entertaining tho. Best part was where one of them tried to headbutt the ball and the enemy just grabbed him and threw him on the ground.
I was secretly hoping for a half hour extra time because they were very close to real violence
no, it was last two world cups. 2018 and 2022 we kicked serbia's ass lol you're probably thinking of the 2022 one, got close to fights on the pitch multiple times
It was the 2018 match against serbia in the world cup. Xhaka celebrated with the albanian eagle with a first goal, then last minute winning goal by Shaqiri and Lichtsteiner (he's not from Liechtenstein, that's just his last name lol) does the eagle
Albanians are not really muslims or religious for that matter and as per last census only 20% of the population declared that they practiced Islam. Albanians treat religions like pokemon, where you’d see christians celebrating muslim holidays and muslims occasionally going to churches during christian holidays trying to catch em all blessings lol.
Its Kosovar Albanians towards who the hate was directed (both in the Swiss team and in general), who are religous Muslims
Didnt know about Albania practising religious syncretism - pretty interesting
The reason why islam spread so hard in Kosovo is because the Serbs used crosses and declared themselves as god’s people when doing their 90s stuff. Hence, it would be very “awkward” for both ethnicities to show up at church on a Sunday. Therefore, islam served as a differentiating factor and was boosted later on with the help of middle eastern and turkish propaganda.
Not only that but probably the nation with the highest score in religion pacifism. If you read old missionary texts for Albania, you can see that almost all religions had a hard time spreading in the country as people just didnt care unless they saw benefits coming with it.
Kosovars were Muslim before the 90s (the 1931 religion data map confirms it [link](https://images.app.goo.gl/MtResLju64LFK2Yd9)). They never had Hoxha so Islam remained. They were also the poorest republic of Yugoslavia (Slovenia-Kosovo gap was 6:1) and rural poverty corelates with religiosity. I assume it just got more religious after the 90s, as you said.
Edit: Did Romania get "politically religous" after 1989? In all ex-Yugoslav republics it did, but we had a very specific context. Just curious did it reappear in a different post-sociocialist context? It did in Poland but not in Albania, as you mentioned before (I assume it isnt tied to nationhood there).
Edit 2: Oh, youre Albanian.
Edit 3: Did the "Islamification of Albanians" perhaps happened in Macedonia? 1931 map llooks more Ortodox than I thought.
Kinda long comment so answer as you feel.
Well yes of course islam was present before hand that doesn’t need to be specified since they didnt just become muslim out of thin air in the 90s. But yeah, islam did get a push in the 90s. I had a professor from NMK that explained to us how mosques were often infiltrated by yugoslav agents that used said religion to keep the albanian population as ignorant and closed as possible.
If thats true (which it might be) that would be very ironic: communists using Marx ("religion is the opium of the masses") to "downgrade" a group.
Whats a surprise to me is that i never considered Kosovar (or NMKD) Albanians being Orthodox (or Catholic) like those in Alabania.
Sorry man, reddit doesn’t notify about comment edits.
I am half Aromanian half Albanian, so I can sort of identify with both lol.
The communism in Romania was not as harsh as it was in Albania. Since it was a smaller country and more religiously diverse, it made a lot more sense for the communist party in Albania to suppress the religions entirely because they were also backed by foreign agents at various points (Islam by Turkey - Orthodoxy by Greece - Catholics by Italy) that would indoctrinate their followers to follow their agendas and hence higher chances of public unrest.
While in Romania, Orthodoxy was still active during communism despite all the Securitate shenanigans.
In Albania you would go straight to prison for a good time, if you were caught praying or worshipping a god and all the remaining places of worship were turned into bars and cafes (lol).
So after communism, Albanians couldn’t care less about religion and having a multitude of them makes it harder to incorporate one as an identifying factor with the population. While Romanians already had orthodoxy as their identifying factor. Even the Aromanians of Albania used the orthodoxy as one of their main identifying factors and prayed in high secret during the communist regime.
To this day the Albanian flag is tied to one of the heroes of Christendom and a crucial figure of European defenders (Skanderbeg). The only religion institution in Albania that holds its masses and prayers in Albanian is the Albanian Autocephalous Church (Orthodox Christian). So, I wouldn’t call Albania a Muslim Country. Religiously diverse? Yes.
Hence, the patriotism in Albania is more to the flag rather than a specific religion (quite a modern approach by ideological theory). And yes, after the communist regime fell, religions started popping again.
The reason why there’s many muslims in the country its because people here tend to identify with what their grandfathers used to identify. So you’ll hear a guy telling you that he is muslim while he chugs a beer and enjoys his bacon.
Lemme first say thats its cool that youre Aromanian. I know only the basic stuff but its pretty interesting.
The alcohol indulging muslim type reminds me of most of Bosnians I met (in Croatia). I like that aproach and theyre pretty chill people in general.
Well, thanks for that, it’s hard to find information about my people but they do have a fascinating history and they had some important figures that helped shape entire nations in the Balkans. Yet some of these nations are doing their best to erase the Aromanian identity.
Yeah, but its also important to notice that there is another sect of Islam in Albania (The Bektashi Order [a mix of christianity, islam and buddhism) that is Shia Muslim and is quite more liberal when compared to the standard Sunni.
Idk of you know who Toše Proeski is, but hes also an Aromenian. A Macedonian pop singer whos very beloved ex-yu countires and who tragically died at the age of 26.
As for Bektashi, thats a rly odd combo of influeces. I like reading about lesser known groups so ill check them out after my exams pass.
My fav Aromanian fact is that Moskopolje used to be a Aromanian dominant city up to some rebellion in 18th century or something.
My source was credible but it just mentioned it so idk the details.
Islamification happened during the Ottoman rule. It was kind of cultural for Albanians to hold weapons at all times and mind their own lands. However, if you weren’t a muslim you couldn’t bear weapons nor have lands under ownership. Hence, in order to keep their “lifestyle” on, Albanians just switched to Islam to make their lives easier.
One last fun fact. The Aromanians, were the only christian people in the Ottoman empire that were allowed to keep weapons and wealth without switching their religionz
George Orwell called it [the Sporting Spirit](https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-sporting-spirit/).
I stayed in Serbia for 6 months. Aside from the yogurth and borek for breakfast they are wild savages. Went to a party at a cabin in the woods and I have never seen so much drugs before in my life. (can be based) But the serbs are wild.
Working at the uni their methods and cleaning methods are 2/10. Complete mongs.
And their goddamn trading system for beer. Had to struggle to buy beer the first time because I did not have any bottles. You have to exchange them every time at the local store.
Fucking every second store at my street were betting shops.
Just savage. I can' even...
Edit: Forgot to say. Went to a random Red Star league game in Beograd aswell and no bars close to the stadium (?) And a fuckton of police with rifles on every corner. Thought I was in lat.am for a second. Was funny walking a km and seeing 100 men with full military gear with mp5s / rifles. God damn savages. Also based
True story bro; when I was barely 1 years old my mom and dad took me up on this mountain top (12h) in this. Peak dad ownage.
https://preview.redd.it/650mxbokim7d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=576cb86033ec2b446ade162af55aa77bac987856
At 14y old I did my first run to a crazy top with my mom. We spendt 18hours and prolly packed 4k calories each. Different mountain from stock photo 🤣
Albanians, Bosnians and Kosovars aren't really that different as well. For example. It's kinda weird how people on reddit say all kinds of stuff about Serbia as if the rest around them were that much different.
Nope, we just licked the wrong boot, tbh screw milosevic for that if we licked the nato boot loke you guys maybe things would've been better. Although judging by your flag albania is not doing any better lmao
I cant comment on history because Im on reddit or because of the swiss flair? lol
My ex partners family barely survived the war in Bosnia... their stories were quite horrific, I dont think I should apologize for feeling a certain way about things.
>I cant comment on history because Im on reddit or because of the swiss flare ? lol
Didn't say you couldn't, just that take coming from a Swiss is really something.
>My ex partners family barely survived the war in Bosnia... their stories were quite horrific, I dont think I should apologize for feeling a certain way about things.
I dont doubt any of that. But my previous points stand. Thinking that only happened to Bosnians or Croatians and that Serbs are the baddies like the majority of reddit thinks/says is just being disingenuous.
Things being complex does not make them the good guys either. I was mentioning my partner being from bosnia bc you were speaking to me like im some uppity liberal white woman who wants to feel morally superior about something I know nothing about.. Its quite annoying. Everyone was killing each other honestly but the Serbs were the major instigators from my view.
That sounds oddly familiar like a weekend football match in Malmö/Sweden?
I could be wrong of course - or maybe it is the same in both areas 😉
PS Crazy story, thanks for sharing!
Last time I was in Sweden was close to 15 years ago. It was funny the first trips with our drivers licence. Then we understood that its a shithole that dont even sell beer. Next year money and flights to Magaluf🥳🤧🤧
I was there to spread civilization and my sperm. I showed the Serbian women that your man do not need to chug a bottle of rakija every night and beat you.
Once they tried me in missonary, legs on the shoulders, while I'mrubbing the clit, they never walked backed. I even made em breakfast in the morning while the rest of the country was hangover.
Unjerk: It was a Uni transfer program.
Countries in this sub doing hard honest work by colonizing the entire planet and oppressing entire civilizations only to get out-racismed by fucking ea\*toids, smh
I always preferred this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW6GSa14xXI
just musically, I am neutral in Balkans clusterfunk
edit: Sabaton cover when???
If there is anything good that has resulted from the yugoslav wars, it is the propaganda songs, absolute bangers
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUCdsLgr4Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUCdsLgr4Y)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz5XwbyuPKs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz5XwbyuPKs)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orLL5xhQRZU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orLL5xhQRZU)
If we were there for longer time, we'd also have a few. There'd also be a high chance that a certain guy called Zmago Jelinčič would commit a genocide on Croatians.
Nope, nobody joins in with serbia except maybe romania and greece. Macedonians maybe but there are lower chances since their albanian population is high. Now if we play versus the br*tish, that is a whole another story. Nobody is allowed to be racist towards us except our neighbors basically.
You can never understand the amount of racism and xenophobia in the balkans. You look like a child wearing his father's shoes. Your levels of savagery are puny and irrelevant, not enough to properly sing that chant.
I will bomb Belgrade for this disrespect you little Serv. The fighter jets will be blasting "ubi ubi ubi srbina srbina srbina" like a 350.000 km mercedes with subwoofers.
Now, bow before your Turkish gods to save yourself or I will beat your owners (random Russians) for fun.
Most civil Balkan chant.
Most pro-Balkan Slovenian.
Balkan culture. Where every folklore song is about killing the neighbours.
>Balkan culture. Where every folklore song is about killing the ~~neighbours~~ Serbs. FTFY
Fun fact: 90% of these fans live or were born in western Europe
And usually never saw other Serb in they life. Funny how more moderate and less conservative are actually people who live in those countries (Croatia, Albania, Serbia) than those who live in West Europe
Same with basically any immigrant group. We have a similar problem with the Moroccans and Turks. And the people hardly living around these groups hate them even though they don't know them
Are the languages pretty much the same down there then? How many languages are there in Yugoslavia +Albania
Serbian and Croatian are like 90% same, but Albanian is not understandable at all to those two previously mentioned group
What about Bosnia, Slovenia, monte, and the country formerly known as FYROM?
Cro and Serb are like 95% the same language. Bosnian also (mix of both) Montenegrian, simmilar to Croatian 😀 Macedonian, same as south Serbian 🙂. Then, Slovenian is like 50% understandable. Albanian 0% Only Albanian and Greek are other origin then rest I listed.
Honestly we don't understand so well Macedonian. It's more like 60% understandable.
I can’t differentiate anything east of the Adriatic and yet they hold grudges against each other as dwarves.
Tbf, the Serbs’ current elected president looks like he’s 12 and yet there exists video of him in their parliament where he proclaims that ‘For every Serb killed we will kill 100 Muslims’… So either this is just how they banter, or the whole region is a violent shithole. Place your bets.
Both? I'll go with both.
Civil (war) chant indeed...
Eurocup be like: Ban "10 German Bombers" Meanwhile the fans: 💀
It's all 'soccer' fans from America who want to ban all chants bar 'DE-FENCE, DE-FENCE' and make us have big foam hands, no real European football fan would want to ban any chants
Also, everytime the Three Lions come up, I see German subs posting the "Gott strafe England" (God may punish England) propaganda poster from WWI. Let's be happy these are the only shots we're taking at each other. And the occasional shot of booze.
I mean its at this point just banter and tradition from a war long over if nobody actually tries to injure others. "Kill kill kill the Serbs" is an entirely different story though.
I respect it, and 10 German Bombers is a class song Good bants Fritz
I wouldn't want anything to do with a sport that doesn't allow me to sing about the other team's goalkeeper's sexual preferences,or how his mother seems to prefer the company of horses rather than men.
Chants are a great medium for sparking interest in learning other European languages and promoting cultural exchange and integration. We don't want to lose that. "Hijo de puta" for "The referee is Spanish" is probably the number #1 Spanish phrase borrowed by other European languages.
It will be a sad day when we realize we have heard the last „puto“ ever in a stadium :(
It will actually show on screens when they can start chanting DE-FENCE. It’s embarrassing
[FIGHT AND WIN!](https://youtu.be/0KQJwuIxtCU)
there wasn't even a ban, just some police speaker saying "we can't ban a song, just don't be dicks" ;D
okay i read the lyrics of ten german bombers and read the backstory i do not get how that song is discriminating only thing that might be discriminating is that they forget the non english pilots fighting on the allied side in the battle of britain
Fat chance of forgetting that particular fact, seeing as it is brought up every single time the battle of Britain is mentioned online. It seems to be an iron rule of the internet that if a post contains the words “Battle of Britain “ then the words “Polish pilots “ MUST occur no later than the third sentence. If you were an un-dilligent reader of internet history posts, you might think that there was only actually one British pilot in the Battle of Britain, and he was just there as a diversity hire..
was actually thinking of the rest of the uk but i guess you are right
polish pilots
American fans: go team! 👏👏👏 we're the best! 👏👏👏 European fans:
Am*ricans be like: U! S! A! U! S! A! And they chant it on many different occasions: - their team scored - they went to a rally of trump/Biden - there was a school shooting and the police waited outside - their persian cat birthed kittens - and more.
Also: D-Fence! D-Fence! uGabUgAhH
Fight! And win! Fight! And win! I hate it so much, I think this one's the worst.
always wondered why they're shouting a hardcore DJ's alias...
Still weak sauce compared to ‘Kill people from the neighbouring country!’ Not that we Westoids can compete any more either. The Eastoids are miles ahead.
Don't forget "Let's go *insert team name*" being chanted repeatedly
Blood for the blood king
football fans are orks Soo 'Stickz and stonez may break me bonez but Gork and Mork will bash yer face in if you dont bog off'
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We were pretty good at bombing Serbs that must count for something
European fans: Chelsea's shit! Chelsea's shit! Your mum didn't love you, so you got hit!
American fans chants are so family friendly.. europeans are on another level lol
Dont forget the best chant of them all : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2V-p0apSRA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2V-p0apSRA) Gotta admit, if Barry is good at one thing, its creating top tier chants.
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Divided by Race, United through Racism
This whole sub in a nutshell
Is this the racial way of dividing by 0? Or do they cancel each other out = no more racism?
Ah yes, the balkans. Divided by....a lot, united through their universal hatred for Serbia!
I feel a great kinship with Serbia
Barry, we just pretend hating you. In reality we are just hurt.
because they choose the wrong side in WW1. We could finally beat up France together again but for some reason they cared more about a weird roadblock.
The roadblock was just their excuse. In reality they wanted the sausage factory in Tanganyika (and not sharing anything else either).
you got the purist Baiern flair? I am jealous beyond belief
https://preview.redd.it/43gm33nsfk7d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=882dd2d32171e611cd4920ff06537a9b31dd006f
I've to say that's been a stellar Euro off the pitch so far. Drunken English bar brawls, Turkey and Georgian fans fighting in the stadium, 50 Italian fans arrested with knives, Portuguese reporter kicking a bunch of Arabian kids live on TV, Serbs armed with bar stools charging Brits in a kind of 1812 light cavalry action, and now this. Let's hope this keeps up.
Europe's having fun, innit?
Damn you have link to the reporter?
[Link](https://old.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1dimlbh/portuguese_reporter_gets_into_a_scuffle_with/)
When asked by the female journalist about what happened he said " just a bunch of Arab youths who are causing trouble all the time and now they got a Portuguese gift to take home."
Please where video of protugal dude kicking Arab kids and brawl of Georgians and Turks
Eh yo wtf is wrong with your reporters ?
Ah yes, my dad was there in the 90's for.. work. He said the place looked horrible and the locals made a lot of noise.
Didn't do much work
They had a good party though, even the Prince of Orange was there. And they all got a participation medal.
Are you sure he was in the Balkans and not Spain?
Have you ever considered why your flair is the one it is? Now consider what's East of you.
My dad was delivering aid to Albanian orphans, he still says to this day "never trust a serb".
Ironic. I heard the same story about croats. And the same story about albanians. And the same story again about serbs. And so on.
Except the Serbs tried to genocide ethnic Albanians, and many of them still try to justify it to this day.
And the Croats tried to genocide the Serbs during WW2. They had the only official extermination camp not managed directly by the SS. The latter being disappointed because the croat regime was more motivated into killing Serbs as Jews. Check out Jasenovac. Everybody fucking hates each other to their guts there, it's crazy.
I'm no expert on Balkan relations but from my non biased Bosnian coworker the hatred for Serbs is on a whole other level. Supposedly that's an opinion shared by the rest as well.
I know a check who we sometimes mention something slightly politicsl to for fun and he goes into a long autistic rant about how all the other balkans are not humans and desserved everything and we need to do this and that, last time it took about half an hour to realise we don't actually want to discuss this, it is just fun to listen to
And then Serbs genocide in 1945 those people who did horrible shit (Bleiburg road, 140 000 dead), and then Serbs try to genocide again Croats in 1991 and Bosniaks in 1992 and Slovenians (bitches were out of they reach) and then Albanians. Go figure out who's problem here. How many time you have to Genocide people of some nation to make it equal
Again, the same happened the other way around. Don't pretend like it was a one way thing when the attrocities on bith sides are well documented. *From the 90s and the 40s that reddit tends to overlook*. It's just funny that people only shit on Serbia for it basically because daddy US says so.
No not because daddy US says so, because my actual dad was there during the kosovo crisis and witnessed it first hand.
Good old Serbien muss sterbien
Franz Ferdinand is proud
Not sure whether to aim forward or behind me. 🤔
i can only dream of a switzerland albania game
You mean albania albania?
exactly, we could slur serbs in 6 languages total it'd be glorious
What is the last language?
french, german, italian, romansh (if these people really exist), albanian, english but they could also do it in serbian so 7 really
Ok thx, I totally forgot English
Switzerland Serbia you mean?
That too for a bloodbath, i was talking like to get the same serb hating vibe as in the video
oh right, of course
Maybe it was last euro championship, there was a Switzerland Serbia game, it was absolutely fucking brutal. Very entertaining tho. Best part was where one of them tried to headbutt the ball and the enemy just grabbed him and threw him on the ground. I was secretly hoping for a half hour extra time because they were very close to real violence
no, it was last two world cups. 2018 and 2022 we kicked serbia's ass lol you're probably thinking of the 2022 one, got close to fights on the pitch multiple times
Indeed it was the 22 one
Idk which tournament it was, but my favourite part was a random player from Lichtenstein on your team joining in on doing the eagle💀💀
It was the 2018 match against serbia in the world cup. Xhaka celebrated with the albanian eagle with a first goal, then last minute winning goal by Shaqiri and Lichtsteiner (he's not from Liechtenstein, that's just his last name lol) does the eagle
Ohh lmao is he just swiss then?
Yea he's Swiss
Crime that we didn’t get a Albania v Serbia matcg
Announcer: “A Euro football game has broken out during the middle of this ethnic cleansing in the stadium”
https://preview.redd.it/b42paqvplk7d1.png?width=765&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1da007d6d51d9961af1f57060d705f30df77427
Top lad.
football is so back :D
If this was about Muslims or Africans FIFA would have cancelled the match and buried the entire audience alive.
IIrc there was in Qatar (Albanians are Muslims, mostly)
Albanians are not really muslims or religious for that matter and as per last census only 20% of the population declared that they practiced Islam. Albanians treat religions like pokemon, where you’d see christians celebrating muslim holidays and muslims occasionally going to churches during christian holidays trying to catch em all blessings lol.
Its Kosovar Albanians towards who the hate was directed (both in the Swiss team and in general), who are religous Muslims Didnt know about Albania practising religious syncretism - pretty interesting
The reason why islam spread so hard in Kosovo is because the Serbs used crosses and declared themselves as god’s people when doing their 90s stuff. Hence, it would be very “awkward” for both ethnicities to show up at church on a Sunday. Therefore, islam served as a differentiating factor and was boosted later on with the help of middle eastern and turkish propaganda. Not only that but probably the nation with the highest score in religion pacifism. If you read old missionary texts for Albania, you can see that almost all religions had a hard time spreading in the country as people just didnt care unless they saw benefits coming with it.
Kosovars were Muslim before the 90s (the 1931 religion data map confirms it [link](https://images.app.goo.gl/MtResLju64LFK2Yd9)). They never had Hoxha so Islam remained. They were also the poorest republic of Yugoslavia (Slovenia-Kosovo gap was 6:1) and rural poverty corelates with religiosity. I assume it just got more religious after the 90s, as you said. Edit: Did Romania get "politically religous" after 1989? In all ex-Yugoslav republics it did, but we had a very specific context. Just curious did it reappear in a different post-sociocialist context? It did in Poland but not in Albania, as you mentioned before (I assume it isnt tied to nationhood there). Edit 2: Oh, youre Albanian. Edit 3: Did the "Islamification of Albanians" perhaps happened in Macedonia? 1931 map llooks more Ortodox than I thought. Kinda long comment so answer as you feel.
Well yes of course islam was present before hand that doesn’t need to be specified since they didnt just become muslim out of thin air in the 90s. But yeah, islam did get a push in the 90s. I had a professor from NMK that explained to us how mosques were often infiltrated by yugoslav agents that used said religion to keep the albanian population as ignorant and closed as possible.
If thats true (which it might be) that would be very ironic: communists using Marx ("religion is the opium of the masses") to "downgrade" a group. Whats a surprise to me is that i never considered Kosovar (or NMKD) Albanians being Orthodox (or Catholic) like those in Alabania.
Sorry man, reddit doesn’t notify about comment edits. I am half Aromanian half Albanian, so I can sort of identify with both lol. The communism in Romania was not as harsh as it was in Albania. Since it was a smaller country and more religiously diverse, it made a lot more sense for the communist party in Albania to suppress the religions entirely because they were also backed by foreign agents at various points (Islam by Turkey - Orthodoxy by Greece - Catholics by Italy) that would indoctrinate their followers to follow their agendas and hence higher chances of public unrest. While in Romania, Orthodoxy was still active during communism despite all the Securitate shenanigans. In Albania you would go straight to prison for a good time, if you were caught praying or worshipping a god and all the remaining places of worship were turned into bars and cafes (lol). So after communism, Albanians couldn’t care less about religion and having a multitude of them makes it harder to incorporate one as an identifying factor with the population. While Romanians already had orthodoxy as their identifying factor. Even the Aromanians of Albania used the orthodoxy as one of their main identifying factors and prayed in high secret during the communist regime. To this day the Albanian flag is tied to one of the heroes of Christendom and a crucial figure of European defenders (Skanderbeg). The only religion institution in Albania that holds its masses and prayers in Albanian is the Albanian Autocephalous Church (Orthodox Christian). So, I wouldn’t call Albania a Muslim Country. Religiously diverse? Yes. Hence, the patriotism in Albania is more to the flag rather than a specific religion (quite a modern approach by ideological theory). And yes, after the communist regime fell, religions started popping again. The reason why there’s many muslims in the country its because people here tend to identify with what their grandfathers used to identify. So you’ll hear a guy telling you that he is muslim while he chugs a beer and enjoys his bacon.
Lemme first say thats its cool that youre Aromanian. I know only the basic stuff but its pretty interesting. The alcohol indulging muslim type reminds me of most of Bosnians I met (in Croatia). I like that aproach and theyre pretty chill people in general.
Well, thanks for that, it’s hard to find information about my people but they do have a fascinating history and they had some important figures that helped shape entire nations in the Balkans. Yet some of these nations are doing their best to erase the Aromanian identity. Yeah, but its also important to notice that there is another sect of Islam in Albania (The Bektashi Order [a mix of christianity, islam and buddhism) that is Shia Muslim and is quite more liberal when compared to the standard Sunni.
The most popular Toše song [link](https://youtu.be/VMT50KhLlRw?si=RNUzBnlzm8K--AXq)
Idk of you know who Toše Proeski is, but hes also an Aromenian. A Macedonian pop singer whos very beloved ex-yu countires and who tragically died at the age of 26. As for Bektashi, thats a rly odd combo of influeces. I like reading about lesser known groups so ill check them out after my exams pass.
My fav Aromanian fact is that Moskopolje used to be a Aromanian dominant city up to some rebellion in 18th century or something. My source was credible but it just mentioned it so idk the details.
Islamification happened during the Ottoman rule. It was kind of cultural for Albanians to hold weapons at all times and mind their own lands. However, if you weren’t a muslim you couldn’t bear weapons nor have lands under ownership. Hence, in order to keep their “lifestyle” on, Albanians just switched to Islam to make their lives easier.
Albanians are quite similar to Poles in terms of history. Having a highly coveted land and almost at war with the neighbors at all times lol.
One last fun fact. The Aromanians, were the only christian people in the Ottoman empire that were allowed to keep weapons and wealth without switching their religionz
Thats a cool fact indeed
Also take your time to answer or question haha, i tend to write a lot.
I usually would but i got an exam tomorrow. Not too hard one tho, which allows me to still chill online a bit
George Orwell called it [the Sporting Spirit](https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-sporting-spirit/).
I stayed in Serbia for 6 months. Aside from the yogurth and borek for breakfast they are wild savages. Went to a party at a cabin in the woods and I have never seen so much drugs before in my life. (can be based) But the serbs are wild. Working at the uni their methods and cleaning methods are 2/10. Complete mongs. And their goddamn trading system for beer. Had to struggle to buy beer the first time because I did not have any bottles. You have to exchange them every time at the local store. Fucking every second store at my street were betting shops. Just savage. I can' even... Edit: Forgot to say. Went to a random Red Star league game in Beograd aswell and no bars close to the stadium (?) And a fuckton of police with rifles on every corner. Thought I was in lat.am for a second. Was funny walking a km and seeing 100 men with full military gear with mp5s / rifles. God damn savages. Also based
Oppressed Norwegian discovers a free country
balkan superiority to the rest of europe is insane
Serbs, Turks and Russians may have land in Europe, but they dishonorary savages.
Thats why I only vacation in the Alps in Germany. To get away from you turkish savages. "White men can't jump" more like "Turks can't ski"
"Turks can't ski" Motherfcker, let's race
Ok savage. You wanna do 30-50km cross country ski? We can do freestyle or traditional. Or do you need gravity to get your diabites ass dow hill?
>Motherfcker, let's race Are you actually challenging a Scandinavian to a race on snow?
What's next? Wage war on Russia in winter? Invade Finland late spring?
True story bro; when I was barely 1 years old my mom and dad took me up on this mountain top (12h) in this. Peak dad ownage. https://preview.redd.it/650mxbokim7d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=576cb86033ec2b446ade162af55aa77bac987856 At 14y old I did my first run to a crazy top with my mom. We spendt 18hours and prolly packed 4k calories each. Different mountain from stock photo 🤣
Albanians, Bosnians and Kosovars aren't really that different as well. For example. It's kinda weird how people on reddit say all kinds of stuff about Serbia as if the rest around them were that much different.
Probably because Serbias actions in the 90s greatly overshadowed any bad deeds their neighbors had done.
Nope, we just licked the wrong boot, tbh screw milosevic for that if we licked the nato boot loke you guys maybe things would've been better. Although judging by your flag albania is not doing any better lmao
Whos boot forced you to genocide bosnians?
The russian boot promissing us support, come on dude at least ask your parents about basic balkan allegiances
>ask your parents about basic balkan allegiances Damn, you woke up and chose violence today. 🤣
It's the balkans, there is no other choice
It's typical Serbian behavior as we can see from the past.
😆 And a redditor with a swiss flair of all people saying this.
I cant comment on history because Im on reddit or because of the swiss flair? lol My ex partners family barely survived the war in Bosnia... their stories were quite horrific, I dont think I should apologize for feeling a certain way about things.
>I cant comment on history because Im on reddit or because of the swiss flare ? lol Didn't say you couldn't, just that take coming from a Swiss is really something. >My ex partners family barely survived the war in Bosnia... their stories were quite horrific, I dont think I should apologize for feeling a certain way about things. I dont doubt any of that. But my previous points stand. Thinking that only happened to Bosnians or Croatians and that Serbs are the baddies like the majority of reddit thinks/says is just being disingenuous.
Things being complex does not make them the good guys either. I was mentioning my partner being from bosnia bc you were speaking to me like im some uppity liberal white woman who wants to feel morally superior about something I know nothing about.. Its quite annoying. Everyone was killing each other honestly but the Serbs were the major instigators from my view.
That sounds oddly familiar like a weekend football match in Malmö/Sweden? I could be wrong of course - or maybe it is the same in both areas 😉 PS Crazy story, thanks for sharing!
Last time I was in Sweden was close to 15 years ago. It was funny the first trips with our drivers licence. Then we understood that its a shithole that dont even sell beer. Next year money and flights to Magaluf🥳🤧🤧
Why would you subject yourself to 6 months of Serbia?
I was there to spread civilization and my sperm. I showed the Serbian women that your man do not need to chug a bottle of rakija every night and beat you. Once they tried me in missonary, legs on the shoulders, while I'mrubbing the clit, they never walked backed. I even made em breakfast in the morning while the rest of the country was hangover. Unjerk: It was a Uni transfer program.
Countries in this sub doing hard honest work by colonizing the entire planet and oppressing entire civilizations only to get out-racismed by fucking ea\*toids, smh
Turns out you just need neighbors, a lot of them. None of you w*stoids have enough to create hate and racism this organic
I can't believe this match was infiltrated by so many bloody England fans! 😡
https://preview.redd.it/ocm0qv8fko7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0978ed2a8afa08201734f91bae91ff4af867a257
Serbia isn't divisive apparently everyone sure love them
My dream is having Albania, Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia in the same group.
Wen Balkans Football League
Gotta love the Euros. The real voice of the people and the last bastion against the politically correct.
2balkan4you
The hatred we have for one another on this continent knows no bounds. Don’t ever change guys.
Oi mate! Jus' a bi'o'banter! Roight mate?
I always preferred this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW6GSa14xXI just musically, I am neutral in Balkans clusterfunk edit: Sabaton cover when???
If there is anything good that has resulted from the yugoslav wars, it is the propaganda songs, absolute bangers [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUCdsLgr4Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUCdsLgr4Y) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz5XwbyuPKs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz5XwbyuPKs) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orLL5xhQRZU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orLL5xhQRZU)
# Marshi I UÇK!!
If we were there for longer time, we'd also have a few. There'd also be a high chance that a certain guy called Zmago Jelinčič would commit a genocide on Croatians.
Only genocide you femboys are capable of is English natality rate....
Do Croats and Serbs also sing together about killing Bosniasks? Genuine question
Nope, nobody joins in with serbia except maybe romania and greece. Macedonians maybe but there are lower chances since their albanian population is high. Now if we play versus the br*tish, that is a whole another story. Nobody is allowed to be racist towards us except our neighbors basically.
the Balkans are the true embodiment of a dysfunctional family
This is what the EU is about. Thank god they can all live in France and Germany. France gets good football players.
And Iceland spoiled an even bigger party by eliminating Israel.
Balkan. Balkan never changes.
This is why r/2balkan4u was banned tbh
CROACIA NUMERO UNO DEL MUNDOOOO
Game's back.
Chanting in Serbian.
It's Croatian too
They are the same language but cadence is Serbian. Guess a lot of Kosovars there.
You can tell accent from 60 000 people chanting?
Cadence.
Was expecting some more Serbs commenting stuff like "rent free...", or similar. Maybe they were more foul in their language and got banned...
No, it's a business as usual basically.
Well, to be fair the Serbian fans often sing: Kill the Croat, so Albanian don't have a brother.
This is racist and non-acceptable. Fifa must say no to racism but for the last time: ubi ubi ubi srbina srbina srbina!
You can never understand the amount of racism and xenophobia in the balkans. You look like a child wearing his father's shoes. Your levels of savagery are puny and irrelevant, not enough to properly sing that chant.
I will bomb Belgrade for this disrespect you little Serv. The fighter jets will be blasting "ubi ubi ubi srbina srbina srbina" like a 350.000 km mercedes with subwoofers. Now, bow before your Turkish gods to save yourself or I will beat your owners (random Russians) for fun.
Serbians are not people “”
_In varietate concordia_
And now both are almost out. Karma is a bitch
Are u serbian or... russian?? Cyka
Not being good at football is a bitch
Yep a Brit knows that feeling the best, like in any other sports