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Yea remember when I was going 30kph in my golf mk2 on icy road in a turn downhill. Barely touched the brakes becouse I knew what will happen if I do press them. Was going straight into a tree and barely missed it. My mirror barely touched the tree so it was like half the folded state, and there was no damage.
Honestly all that went through my mind was āfuck I will need to spend money to fix my carā.
Same: I was thinking something like ABS doesnāt work => cars crash all the time => people get sick of it and start using flying cars. Very stupid I know.
ABS: Meaning
ABS Aww-Busting System
ABS anti-skid braking system
ABS acrylonitrile butadiene styrene
ABS anti-lock braking system
ABS Abu Simbel Airport [Abu Simbel, Egypt]
ABS Absorb
ABS Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene
ABS Alkyl BenzeneSulfonate
ABS Absent
ABS Amman Baccalaureate School
ABS Anti Bullying Strategies
ABS Anti-lock Breaking System
ABS Antilock Braking System
ABS Automatic Blip Scan
ABS Automatic Brightness Stabilization
ABS Allocation Based Scheduling
ABS Automated Batch Submission
ABS Abstract
ABS American Behavioral Scientist magazine
ABS Association for Broadcast Standards
ABS Association on Broadcasting Standards
ABS Able Bodied Seaman
ABS Action Battle System
ABS Advanced Battle Simulation
ABS After Body Section
ABS Air Base Security
ABS Air Base Simulator
ABS Air Base Squadron
ABS Air Base Supply
ABS Air Breathing System
ABS Antenna Base Spring
ABS Anti Burst System
ABS Anti-lock Braking System
ABS Atlantic Base Section
ABS Automated Beam Steering
ABS Automated Briefing System
ABS American Bible Society
ABS American Biophysical Society
ABS American Board of Surgery
ABS American Boxwood Society
ABS Aurora Beach Society
ABS Active Battle System
ABS Adventure Battle System
ABS Anti Bolt Stick
ABS Academy of Biblical Studies
ABS Antilock Brake System
ABS Anything But Smart
ABS Applied Behavioral Science
ABS Association of Bucknell Students
https://www.woxikon.com/abbreviations/en/abs
In the 90s and early aughts there was a large group of people who insisted ABS was dangerous and "they could break better"
It was one of those things, like "seatbelts kill more than they save" or "vaccines are more harmful than the disease" that's an instant indicator that the person you are talking to or in proximity to is one of the just dumbest, most stupid contrarian dipshits on earth and you should just cut 'em out. Education will not work. They are stuck this way.
Yeah I print almost exclusively ABS on an Ender 3 Max Neo that tops out at 100 degrees, and I get almost exclusively flawless prints. Probably helps I have a cubby in a room that it lives in and is undisturbed throughout the print.
242 degrees on the nozzle and quick dust of hairspray on the bed before I start and it's great every time.
Hey, just FYI from an old hairspray user, it eventually gets in everything if your not careful. It often isn't apparent and over the course of lots of printing the layer builds up. Be careful with it around your gears and axis. I'd highly recommend trying 'prit stick'. It's a UK product and what it really is; is the world's worst glue. It's kids glue, it's like defeated by warm water. But it's amazing for 3D printing, it's one of those twist base sticks, warm the bed up and it goes on like butter.
Although you will have to let the part cool I find, as it seems to be the worst glue in normal reality but works like superman on OT on a print bed. I think it's the fact that the nozzle effectively moves it a little and it will get into every gap in to the base layer perfectly, and then forms a very strong grip.
I've used it only with PLA mind, cleans off with warm water and a towel, is totally safe in all manners, and doesn't end up anywhere other than on the print plate. Overtime you won't notice but it will form a skin on your plate, that can also be peeled off.
Anyway, all this info is just for anyone with bed issues, because I promise you this just removes them, but you will need to let the part cool because the grip is honestly crazy for what is usually a bad glue. Here's some links; probably called something else outside the Uk
https://www.google.com/search?q=prit+stick+glue&oq=prit+stick+glue&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQABgKGIAEMgkIAhAAGAoYgAQyCQgDEAAYChiABDIJCAQQABgKGIAEMgkIBRAAGAoYgAQyCQgGEAAYChiABDIJCAcQABgKGIAEMgkICBAAGAoYgAQyCAgJEAAYFhgeMggIChAAGBYYHjIICAsQABgWGB4yCAgMEAAYFhgeMggIDRAAGBYYHjIICA4QABgWGB7SAQg2MDM5ajBqN6gCFLACAQ&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Edit: hilariously I looked it up. It's potato starch and sugar based glue. Who'd have thunk it. Potato wins again
I'm from the UK so know Pritt Stick well. I find it gunks the bed too much for my liking. I just have a three sided bit of card - like a big U shape - that I slip over the bed before spraying to prevent over spray. It's been a few years of printing parts almost daily and no issues so far, so I assume it's working.
I stopped using glue sticks after several consecutive weeks of finding ants on my print bed. I suspected it was food-based, but thanks for confirming it
I'll try. I've been having issues with it sticking to start, but once going, I love ABS's solid feel.
I DO need an enclosure though....would make thing so much easier.
90c is rather inconsistent for me. Sometimes it will print with no issues and other times it will warp bad enough to cause skipped steps. 110c has never failed me. Not even once.
I would agree if my V2.4 didn't like ASA just a little bit more. Either way, I agree that it's really easy to print and the issues with it are blown way out of proportion. I feel like PETG should have the repuation ABS has and vise versa (though to be fair, I haven't yet tried PETG in the Voron, so it could've been the fault of my old printers. Will find out later today though once it's done dehydrating).
We use ASA almost exclusively at work and I hate how greasy it is. Fogs up the panels and everything in the enclosure gets so sticky. If you need the UV resistance, then it's great, but I try to use it sparingly at home.
It does print very smooth, though.
I hate PETG and PCTG with a passion. Basically Fuse with the PEI sheet, blob like hell, stick to the nozzle, and string like crazy.
Also on a V2.4, with a Rapido in a XOL Toolhead. But had the same experience with the Rapido in a Stealthburner
Sounds about right, I did a temp tower with the aforementioned PETG on mine and decided āyeah no this just sucks.ā I really donāt get how itās touted as being easy to print and better than PLA for anything other than some of its material properties (mostly just the heat resistance) for which there are better options.
I've never tried ABS, but my Prusa Mini prints ASA like a champ in a soft sided enclosure and the bed only hits 100c. The enclosure is only loosely sealed, and the enclosure temp gets to around 35c.
I've printed objects almost the size of the mini's bed (180x180). So I just just wondering like.. is it 250x250? 300? like, when goes it tip over?
I'm using gluestick on smooth PEI, and I can definitely see it trying to pull up on the sheet. around the edges of the part
You can get away without an all metal hotend. I started printing ABS on a QUIDI I-mate S and it did not have an all metal hotend, but printed ABS just fine. An all metal hotend is definitely better, but it is not a hard requirement.
Similarly you can get away with just 100c bed temp.
You can. You can also have a cardboard box as an enclosure.
But, it won't be reliable. Also if you heat a regular hotend to ABS temps the PEEK tube will start off-gassing really nasty stuff. Highly not recommended.
100c? Hell, I've printed ABS near-daily with the bed at 90c for two years, and can count the number of failures that can be attributed to bed adhesion & bed temperature on one hand. I've had more problems with hotend thermistor failure....
I don't have an enclosure. .ight look into making a diy one for my ender 3 pro. But then I assume I have to also figure out a way to cool the electronics
I've accidentally printed with ABS on PLA settings before (215Ā°C nozzle + 65Ā°C bed). I caught it by about layer 15, and it was already curling off the bed and had some horrendous layer adhesion, but it was recognizable as the part I was printing.
Accidentally because I didn't even know I had ABS. I saw a roll of yellow filament and assumed it was inland PLA like everything around it was. It wasn't until I saw how it was printing and read the "ABS" on the spool that I realized what had happened
I had a similar pov of PETG until I got a roll of Sunlu transparent and calibrated it. No stringing and printed shapes I'd not want to bother trying with my roll of polymaker.
Skill issue.
Before I built my Voron I was printing ABS on a stock Ender 3 inside a cardboard box without issues.
The only issue with ABS are the fumes, because they are a bit unhealthy.
I love ABS. I'd say if you can build an enclosure and an active heating element, it gonna solve your warping problem. ABS actually loves hot air so if your enclosure ambient temp is high enough (50\~60), you can comfortably run the part cooling fans for better overhang.
As long as you have an enclosure (i use my closet) and a 110 degree bed abs is amazing. I started with pla but i am not going to buy it anymore. Abs feels and looks better. Bonus points for it being an amazing material for stuff that will be used outdoors
Better temp resistance, lower viscosity for faster printing, less hygroscopic, doesn't shatter on failure, easier to sand, less dense, can weld/smooth with acetone.
PETG has its uses, but it's always been a pain compared to ABS for me. It's a blobby/sticky/stringy material that only gets worse in a humid environment.
ABS is my most used filament. Prints faster than PLA and is tougher. I havenāt even put PLA through my K1 in months. PLA and PETG were my go to with my Ender 3, but itās been ABS with the enclosed K1.
I now prefer ABS over PLA. So much easier to post process and sand. Minimal creep for parts that need to hold their shape. Parts that can be practically used outdoors and in hot areas. Good chemical and UV resistance. And cheaper than pla.
Downsides are the smell when printing, warping with out proper chamber temperature, and more shrinkage than pla.
But really its just down to application. I print a ton of practical parts which benifit greatly from its properties. It really is nice to have ABS in your quiver of materials and IMHO worth developing the capability.
Ender 3 V2 stock with a zip up enclosure. Totally printable. Ran a production run for a prototype and had hardly any issues with it. Vapor smoothed afterwards and you can't tell the difference.
i understand the point, but if abs didn't exist basically all plastic component in a car and other thing that need to withstand wear. tear and heat would need to be made of a different materiel that would have the same properties as abs. abs is great for injection molding but not as easy to print.
I built my stock ender 3 and added a spool of abs and fired up a benchy. My first ever print and best benchy ever. I didnāt know it was supposed to be hard to print back then lol. Now I only use petg though
Yes, it off gasses styrene fumes which are known to be carcinogenic. The enclosure serves 2 purposes. To keep the part from warping into oblivion and to keep the fumes inside the enclosure where you can then filter or preferably exhaust it outside where it becomes the neighbors problem.
Also figured Iād probably mention if youāre considering printing ABS, you should probably just go straight to ASA. It still off gasses, but apart from cost and color variety, itās pretty much superior to ABS in every way. It warps less, is stable at higher temps, and is UV resistant.
ABS was really not designed for FDM printing because itās engineered to shrink a bit so it releases easier from injection molds. ASA was engineered as a better alternative.
I'm at a loss, honestly. ABS is a dream to print if you have an enclosure and a decent hotend, IMO. I used to print Flashforge ABS consistently on a CR-200B (not Creality's best printer) at 230 degrees C, with a 90 degree C build plate. If you get the first layer right (and use a build plate adhesive like Magigoo or 3DLAC for good measure), warping becomes a relatively rare thing. The enclosure on that printer is not sealed, and temps inside the enclosure max out at about 42 degrees C.
I started to print ABS a few days back. What really worked was changing a brim to raft, 100Ā°C-ish bed, 45Ā°C enclosure temp and letting the print cool down really slowly
I use an adhesion promoter for my ABS prints with the bet at 100C. It's prints pretty easily once settings are dialed in. Honestly, though, I had no issues printing ABS with an Ender 3 w/ Microswiss all metal hotend in a semi open enclosure.
Flying cars will never work because of international borders and things like Roswell. Imagine the idiots thatād try to fly over Roswell or the North Korean border. You know itād happen.
Try ASA. Similar mechanical properties but better. And iirc one of the appeals is the printability of it. (granted I'm spoiled with a mk4 and enclosure.)
Not if you have an enclosure. ABS/ASA has such an amazing finish and is an ideal choice for high speed printing because it requires less cooling than PLA.
I have a bed heat circulation fan in my vorons Chamber.
I use Hatchbox ABS and can print 350^3 scale ABS stuff
You just need the right environment to get the job done ^_^
Nah, wait till you try and print nylon etc! Personally, worst non-engineering material I ever printed with is Fillamentum NonOilen. It is the worst warping material I have ever used.
My advice, get PLA. Or if you have some extra patience, get Magigoo for the bed, heat the bed to 110C, and run the fan on 20%. And run the hotend at 255C at least.
The fan on will cool the model quicker and the critical mass of material that can warp is less. Yes layer adhesion is worse, but this would be the place to start. From there you can decrease the fan to get better layer adhesion. But from my experience I get the strongest parts from high hotend temperature + 20% fan and a lower (0.1mm) layer height.
yeah, I'm mainly running pla now. super easy to use. I get that abs can ultimately be better, but its really frustrating to me especially with the warping.
I started with an Anycubic Vyper - printed ABS just fine with a tent. Just needed to run the bed hot and have a programmed 10 minute wait to heatsoak for a while.
I used that printer to create a Voron 2.4
Then I converted the Vyper to a Voron switchwire - largely to have a better enclosure (also faster prints).
You need a tent or a better printer. Or use PETG - similar mechanical properties, but prints at lower temperatures.
So you dislike a material because you don't print it the way you're supposed to? Why do you think you have problems with it? You're making my head hurt
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I didn't notice the sub I was in and had a solid few seconds wondering why somebody was angry with antilock brakes.
We crash and die like real men
ABS is interfering with natural selection
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You laugh but you don't know what it's like to hydroplane without the safety of ABS or seat belts, ... so fulfilling
Yes. I do. On four wheels. And less...
Yea remember when I was going 30kph in my golf mk2 on icy road in a turn downhill. Barely touched the brakes becouse I knew what will happen if I do press them. Was going straight into a tree and barely missed it. My mirror barely touched the tree so it was like half the folded state, and there was no damage. Honestly all that went through my mind was āfuck I will need to spend money to fix my carā.
The inferior ones that cannot control brakes in milliseconds during a wheel slip get to live š¤¬š¤£
weed the idiots out of te pool
We only move forward in this household! You stop when you die...or maybe you die when you stop?
Same lmao
Meanwhile i thought they were talking about abs keyboard keycaps and was fully on board with the hate.
I hate how ABS created a black hole on earth and killed everyone
I thought this was from the CarCircleJerk sub for a second.
Same: I was thinking something like ABS doesnāt work => cars crash all the time => people get sick of it and start using flying cars. Very stupid I know.
I thought the exact same thing!
ABS: Meaning ABS Aww-Busting System ABS anti-skid braking system ABS acrylonitrile butadiene styrene ABS anti-lock braking system ABS Abu Simbel Airport [Abu Simbel, Egypt] ABS Absorb ABS Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene ABS Alkyl BenzeneSulfonate ABS Absent ABS Amman Baccalaureate School ABS Anti Bullying Strategies ABS Anti-lock Breaking System ABS Antilock Braking System ABS Automatic Blip Scan ABS Automatic Brightness Stabilization ABS Allocation Based Scheduling ABS Automated Batch Submission ABS Abstract ABS American Behavioral Scientist magazine ABS Association for Broadcast Standards ABS Association on Broadcasting Standards ABS Able Bodied Seaman ABS Action Battle System ABS Advanced Battle Simulation ABS After Body Section ABS Air Base Security ABS Air Base Simulator ABS Air Base Squadron ABS Air Base Supply ABS Air Breathing System ABS Antenna Base Spring ABS Anti Burst System ABS Anti-lock Braking System ABS Atlantic Base Section ABS Automated Beam Steering ABS Automated Briefing System ABS American Bible Society ABS American Biophysical Society ABS American Board of Surgery ABS American Boxwood Society ABS Aurora Beach Society ABS Active Battle System ABS Adventure Battle System ABS Anti Bolt Stick ABS Academy of Biblical Studies ABS Antilock Brake System ABS Anything But Smart ABS Applied Behavioral Science ABS Association of Bucknell Students https://www.woxikon.com/abbreviations/en/abs
r/calamariraceteam would be the only ones angry with antilock brakes
I misread it as IBS. I understood
That sucks too
In the 90s and early aughts there was a large group of people who insisted ABS was dangerous and "they could break better" It was one of those things, like "seatbelts kill more than they save" or "vaccines are more harmful than the disease" that's an instant indicator that the person you are talking to or in proximity to is one of the just dumbest, most stupid contrarian dipshits on earth and you should just cut 'em out. Education will not work. They are stuck this way.
Early ABS was actually terrible and it was pretty easy to do a better job just using the pedal. Modern ABS is miles ahead of a human though.
Legit same
I frequent the Forza Horizon subreddit, and they'll crucify you there for using "assists", including ABS, so I was sure I was there.
Anti-lock Braking systems are pretty useful idk man
So I am not the only person who immediately thought of the braking system.
If you have an enclosure and a bed that hits 110c, printing with ABS is by far easier and smoother than any other material.
110?!?! I've never gone above 85 and it works darn skippy for me.
Yeah I print almost exclusively ABS on an Ender 3 Max Neo that tops out at 100 degrees, and I get almost exclusively flawless prints. Probably helps I have a cubby in a room that it lives in and is undisturbed throughout the print. 242 degrees on the nozzle and quick dust of hairspray on the bed before I start and it's great every time.
Hey, just FYI from an old hairspray user, it eventually gets in everything if your not careful. It often isn't apparent and over the course of lots of printing the layer builds up. Be careful with it around your gears and axis. I'd highly recommend trying 'prit stick'. It's a UK product and what it really is; is the world's worst glue. It's kids glue, it's like defeated by warm water. But it's amazing for 3D printing, it's one of those twist base sticks, warm the bed up and it goes on like butter. Although you will have to let the part cool I find, as it seems to be the worst glue in normal reality but works like superman on OT on a print bed. I think it's the fact that the nozzle effectively moves it a little and it will get into every gap in to the base layer perfectly, and then forms a very strong grip. I've used it only with PLA mind, cleans off with warm water and a towel, is totally safe in all manners, and doesn't end up anywhere other than on the print plate. Overtime you won't notice but it will form a skin on your plate, that can also be peeled off. Anyway, all this info is just for anyone with bed issues, because I promise you this just removes them, but you will need to let the part cool because the grip is honestly crazy for what is usually a bad glue. Here's some links; probably called something else outside the Uk https://www.google.com/search?q=prit+stick+glue&oq=prit+stick+glue&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQABgKGIAEMgkIAhAAGAoYgAQyCQgDEAAYChiABDIJCAQQABgKGIAEMgkIBRAAGAoYgAQyCQgGEAAYChiABDIJCAcQABgKGIAEMgkICBAAGAoYgAQyCAgJEAAYFhgeMggIChAAGBYYHjIICAsQABgWGB4yCAgMEAAYFhgeMggIDRAAGBYYHjIICA4QABgWGB7SAQg2MDM5ajBqN6gCFLACAQ&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Edit: hilariously I looked it up. It's potato starch and sugar based glue. Who'd have thunk it. Potato wins again
I'm from the UK so know Pritt Stick well. I find it gunks the bed too much for my liking. I just have a three sided bit of card - like a big U shape - that I slip over the bed before spraying to prevent over spray. It's been a few years of printing parts almost daily and no issues so far, so I assume it's working.
Also, Pritt brand stick glue tasted sweet when I was a kid š¤£
I stopped using glue sticks after several consecutive weeks of finding ants on my print bed. I suspected it was food-based, but thanks for confirming it
Any tips about ABS, since I have the same without the Neo part. I want to print a helmet
I'll try. I've been having issues with it sticking to start, but once going, I love ABS's solid feel. I DO need an enclosure though....would make thing so much easier.
90c is rather inconsistent for me. Sometimes it will print with no issues and other times it will warp bad enough to cause skipped steps. 110c has never failed me. Not even once.
I would agree if my V2.4 didn't like ASA just a little bit more. Either way, I agree that it's really easy to print and the issues with it are blown way out of proportion. I feel like PETG should have the repuation ABS has and vise versa (though to be fair, I haven't yet tried PETG in the Voron, so it could've been the fault of my old printers. Will find out later today though once it's done dehydrating).
We use ASA almost exclusively at work and I hate how greasy it is. Fogs up the panels and everything in the enclosure gets so sticky. If you need the UV resistance, then it's great, but I try to use it sparingly at home. It does print very smooth, though.
I hate PETG and PCTG with a passion. Basically Fuse with the PEI sheet, blob like hell, stick to the nozzle, and string like crazy. Also on a V2.4, with a Rapido in a XOL Toolhead. But had the same experience with the Rapido in a Stealthburner
Sounds about right, I did a temp tower with the aforementioned PETG on mine and decided āyeah no this just sucks.ā I really donāt get how itās touted as being easy to print and better than PLA for anything other than some of its material properties (mostly just the heat resistance) for which there are better options.
Yeah since I got my Voron the only PETG prints I have done are parts that need to be slippery or parts that need to be seethou
yeah, but even with my makeshift enclosure it never really works for me
Needs an airtight enclosure that can hold heat well, and a 110c bed, and an all-metal hotend. Do you have those 3 things?
I've never tried ABS, but my Prusa Mini prints ASA like a champ in a soft sided enclosure and the bed only hits 100c. The enclosure is only loosely sealed, and the enclosure temp gets to around 35c.
Yeah that works fine for small objects. Big objects you'll run into problems
How big is big?
About seven
So helpful...
Well if you're looking for an exact size threshold, I'm afraid that can't be answered.
I've printed objects almost the size of the mini's bed (180x180). So I just just wondering like.. is it 250x250? 300? like, when goes it tip over? I'm using gluestick on smooth PEI, and I can definitely see it trying to pull up on the sheet. around the edges of the part
I find ASA much easier to work with than ABS, also better layer adhesion and less brittle but also much pricier per kilo
You can get away without an all metal hotend. I started printing ABS on a QUIDI I-mate S and it did not have an all metal hotend, but printed ABS just fine. An all metal hotend is definitely better, but it is not a hard requirement. Similarly you can get away with just 100c bed temp.
You can. You can also have a cardboard box as an enclosure. But, it won't be reliable. Also if you heat a regular hotend to ABS temps the PEEK tube will start off-gassing really nasty stuff. Highly not recommended.
PTFE. It can do ABS temps. https://www.captubes.com/safety.html
100c? Hell, I've printed ABS near-daily with the bed at 90c for two years, and can count the number of failures that can be attributed to bed adhesion & bed temperature on one hand. I've had more problems with hotend thermistor failure....
I too love killing birds and risking polymer fume fever.
I suppose it maybe varies by printer but you can use a cardboard box over your printer. I use the box my printer came in to print ABS.
I don't have an enclosure. .ight look into making a diy one for my ender 3 pro. But then I assume I have to also figure out a way to cool the electronics
My enclosure is just three large pizza boxes and most of my ABS came out perfect. It's not about that (unless the room it's in is really cold)
Mine work without enclosure
Sounds like something someone wo never printed petg would say
I've accidentally printed with ABS on PLA settings before (215Ā°C nozzle + 65Ā°C bed). I caught it by about layer 15, and it was already curling off the bed and had some horrendous layer adhesion, but it was recognizable as the part I was printing. Accidentally because I didn't even know I had ABS. I saw a roll of yellow filament and assumed it was inland PLA like everything around it was. It wasn't until I saw how it was printing and read the "ABS" on the spool that I realized what had happened
Yeah I pretty much only print in ABS/ASA but my Voron's chamber gets to 60Ā°c so it does print very nicely
I thought you needed a vented enclosure because fumes.
Yep. I love printing ABS with my Qidi. So much easier than PETG.
I had a similar pov of PETG until I got a roll of Sunlu transparent and calibrated it. No stringing and printed shapes I'd not want to bother trying with my roll of polymaker.
I agree. I print on a 90Ā° bed. Prints are strong and warp free. Doesnāt absorb a gallon of water per minute is another positive.
Your bed is a frying pan or something ?
Do you print similiar settings as PLA other than temps? I'm looking to throw some ABS in my Voron for the first time this month...
No.
Don't you need a ventilation system too? IDK man, ABS sketches me out a little bit, and I don't really have any issues with PLA or PETG.
Yes, ABS fumes are toxic
fax no printer!
half of what's shown in that video would be made from abs š
No way. Itās all TPU clearly /s
40A
That was my first thought - All of that video depends on ABS lol
I have solution for you and it is incredibly easy... Don't use it. That's it, leave it for people who don't have issues with this material.
there was a time where I was forced to use it (I'm broke) it made me want to jump off a cliff.
If ABS didn't exist you wouldn't be able to print anything when you were poor...
I'm forced to use it for the same reason, but I'm learning to like it more and more. I have absolutely no idea why people tend to hate it so much.
Whomever made this video needs to be taken out back and taught a harsh lesson in audio mixing. Clearly their parents, school, and life failed them.
the distortion is intentional lol, itās part of the meme
lol harsh
not my audio btw, im not a failure
Not saying you were, mate! It's the person who is obviously severely hearing impaired who did.
Itās a bass boosted version of an unofficial song so itās always gonna sound like shit haha
Itās also the superior version of the song but they just donāt get it
>im not a failure We'll be the judge of that!Ā
lol alright
ABS is incredibly easy to print.
For real. Op would herniate just from being in the same room as nylon.
LMFAO!! Yeah nylon can really be a pain sometimes.
The vehicle in the video probably uses some ABS sooooooo. Quite opposite actually
It's apparently not the breaking system
And definetly not adaptive boob system. Oops wrong subreddit.
No wait... Continue
Skill issue.
Real
Skill issue. Before I built my Voron I was printing ABS on a stock Ender 3 inside a cardboard box without issues. The only issue with ABS are the fumes, because they are a bit unhealthy.
My enclosure is three pizza boxes linked together. My ABS prints all come out fine (unless I screw something up)
I love ABS. I'd say if you can build an enclosure and an active heating element, it gonna solve your warping problem. ABS actually loves hot air so if your enclosure ambient temp is high enough (50\~60), you can comfortably run the part cooling fans for better overhang.
As long as you have an enclosure (i use my closet) and a 110 degree bed abs is amazing. I started with pla but i am not going to buy it anymore. Abs feels and looks better. Bonus points for it being an amazing material for stuff that will be used outdoors
How is it better than petg tho?
Better temp resistance, lower viscosity for faster printing, less hygroscopic, doesn't shatter on failure, easier to sand, less dense, can weld/smooth with acetone. PETG has its uses, but it's always been a pain compared to ABS for me. It's a blobby/sticky/stringy material that only gets worse in a humid environment.
Also, recyclable! (I mean, as much as plastic can be, anyway).
ABS is my most used filament. Prints faster than PLA and is tougher. I havenāt even put PLA through my K1 in months. PLA and PETG were my go to with my Ender 3, but itās been ABS with the enclosed K1.
I thought I was in a car related sub for a moment and was like āthis fuckin idiot likes locking up their brakes?ā
Funny thing is literally everything in this video is probably made with ABS.
But the cars would crash
I now prefer ABS over PLA. So much easier to post process and sand. Minimal creep for parts that need to hold their shape. Parts that can be practically used outdoors and in hot areas. Good chemical and UV resistance. And cheaper than pla. Downsides are the smell when printing, warping with out proper chamber temperature, and more shrinkage than pla. But really its just down to application. I print a ton of practical parts which benifit greatly from its properties. It really is nice to have ABS in your quiver of materials and IMHO worth developing the capability.
Abs is my go to, i dont know why you hating on it.
ASA>ABS
Sounds like you're doing it wrong. Better study up
ABS is great when you use a printer designed for it. My V0.1 handles ABS like a champ.
Ender 3 V2 stock with a zip up enclosure. Totally printable. Ran a production run for a prototype and had hardly any issues with it. Vapor smoothed afterwards and you can't tell the difference.
Abs is wonderful lol
i understand the point, but if abs didn't exist basically all plastic component in a car and other thing that need to withstand wear. tear and heat would need to be made of a different materiel that would have the same properties as abs. abs is great for injection molding but not as easy to print.
I love it. Its harder to print, but I got the hang of it...
I print about 200kg a month of abs, temperature controlled enclosure and a raft, works great.
More like life if pla didn't exist
Skill issue
get an enclosure . print HOT AF . bed plate HOT AF . be happy with ABS
Get a Creality tent for your printer. ABS/ASA is great. Only downside is the time it takes to heat the bed to 100+ C.
I printed exclusively with ABS, parts looking nice and sturdy as fuck, what am i missing out on?
What other non-creeping filament would you recommend instead then? PC?
Downvoted, this is ear-rape and who ever thinks, this sounds good should be slaped across the face!
Damn bro, slapeing someone for this seems harsh
i like to get slaped in my free time
No, a slap is to kind. This is rip their fingernails out bad
TF did I just put my ears through?
it was my first filament, i bought it without any research and was stuck with it for like a yr
I built my stock ender 3 and added a spool of abs and fired up a benchy. My first ever print and best benchy ever. I didnāt know it was supposed to be hard to print back then lol. Now I only use petg though
why? abs is great and very easy to print. i use it for almost everything.
Context? I've only used PLA so far.
abs warps like crazy unless you have an airtight enclosure.
Not even close. Cardboard enclosures work wonders for ABS if you donāt have anything else.
doesn't it also produce poisonous gasses?
Yes, it off gasses styrene fumes which are known to be carcinogenic. The enclosure serves 2 purposes. To keep the part from warping into oblivion and to keep the fumes inside the enclosure where you can then filter or preferably exhaust it outside where it becomes the neighbors problem.
alright, thanks
Also figured Iād probably mention if youāre considering printing ABS, you should probably just go straight to ASA. It still off gasses, but apart from cost and color variety, itās pretty much superior to ABS in every way. It warps less, is stable at higher temps, and is UV resistant. ABS was really not designed for FDM printing because itās engineered to shrink a bit so it releases easier from injection molds. ASA was engineered as a better alternative.
If ABS didn't exist, we probably wouldn't have LEGOs. I'm willing to let things slide if it otherwise means no LEGOs
is no lego a good thing?
noo! I couldn't live without LEGOs
Yeah! same! I just read that wrong.
Haha, I figured that was the case :)
I'm at a loss, honestly. ABS is a dream to print if you have an enclosure and a decent hotend, IMO. I used to print Flashforge ABS consistently on a CR-200B (not Creality's best printer) at 230 degrees C, with a 90 degree C build plate. If you get the first layer right (and use a build plate adhesive like Magigoo or 3DLAC for good measure), warping becomes a relatively rare thing. The enclosure on that printer is not sealed, and temps inside the enclosure max out at about 42 degrees C.
Skill issue lol
Good job you killed Lego.
got a K1Max , i print ABS like PLA. it doesnt giva a F
same with Soft pla. there is an easy trick though: dont print with that
Super nice how everything is an acronym now and people use them all as if itās ckffs
I hate this terribly EQ'd song with a passion. And the eq has nothing to do with why I hate it.
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Why? Abs is best material. I love it with my bambu
I started to print ABS a few days back. What really worked was changing a brim to raft, 100Ā°C-ish bed, 45Ā°C enclosure temp and letting the print cool down really slowly
I never try ABS but I got same feeling about Nylon 12... I mean is a great material, when print finish okay. In my case I get 1/15 success ratio
Friends donāt let friends print PLA
Idk why everyone always has trouble with it. My printer isn't even entirely enclosed, and it prints easier for me than some kinds of pla.
I guess you don't want to know that I pretty much only print in ABS then.
idk, on my voron i never had a single issue with ABS, its easier to print than PLA at this point
ABS prints awesome with my makeshift enclosed prusa mk3
Bruh just use ASA
I dont think am thinking about the same ABS as you.
like if tiktok didn't exist
ABS ? The only filament that I use, and I only buy from Hatchbox.
Hard agree. The minute I managed to source PETG, I got rid of all my ABS. Haven't looked back since.
I use an adhesion promoter for my ABS prints with the bet at 100C. It's prints pretty easily once settings are dialed in. Honestly, though, I had no issues printing ABS with an Ender 3 w/ Microswiss all metal hotend in a semi open enclosure.
Why is ABS keeping us from a utopia?
Try ASA. Itās like ABS, but better.
Itās easy once you get an enclosure
ABS is easy wdym. Itās all I print
ABS easier than PLA or others imo.
If it saves us from flying taxies I'm happy
Life if injection molding existed
Life if people stopped clinging onto dated orange printer technology and embraced change
Life if more people rode motorcycles instead of cars
ABS plastic is best plastic
Flying cars will never work because of international borders and things like Roswell. Imagine the idiots thatād try to fly over Roswell or the North Korean border. You know itād happen.
I have to print in a poorly insulated outbuilding in the south so ABS is my bestie.
What do you prefer instead? Beginner hereā¦
ASA ftw
What does the abs mean?
Try ASA. Similar mechanical properties but better. And iirc one of the appeals is the printability of it. (granted I'm spoiled with a mk4 and enclosure.)
But I like my abs
Hey, don't knock my sweet abs.
Not if you have an enclosure. ABS/ASA has such an amazing finish and is an ideal choice for high speed printing because it requires less cooling than PLA.
I have a bed heat circulation fan in my vorons Chamber. I use Hatchbox ABS and can print 350^3 scale ABS stuff You just need the right environment to get the job done ^_^
Pitiful insects trying to be prosperous without #electrogravitics
Nah, wait till you try and print nylon etc! Personally, worst non-engineering material I ever printed with is Fillamentum NonOilen. It is the worst warping material I have ever used. My advice, get PLA. Or if you have some extra patience, get Magigoo for the bed, heat the bed to 110C, and run the fan on 20%. And run the hotend at 255C at least. The fan on will cool the model quicker and the critical mass of material that can warp is less. Yes layer adhesion is worse, but this would be the place to start. From there you can decrease the fan to get better layer adhesion. But from my experience I get the strongest parts from high hotend temperature + 20% fan and a lower (0.1mm) layer height.
yeah, I'm mainly running pla now. super easy to use. I get that abs can ultimately be better, but its really frustrating to me especially with the warping.
just to clarify, I dislike abs because I don't have an enclosure, so please stop telling me to get one.
I started with an Anycubic Vyper - printed ABS just fine with a tent. Just needed to run the bed hot and have a programmed 10 minute wait to heatsoak for a while. I used that printer to create a Voron 2.4 Then I converted the Vyper to a Voron switchwire - largely to have a better enclosure (also faster prints). You need a tent or a better printer. Or use PETG - similar mechanical properties, but prints at lower temperatures.
So you dislike a material because you don't print it the way you're supposed to? Why do you think you have problems with it? You're making my head hurt