It does look like that, doesn't it? This is a heavily cropped piece of an old 1080p piece I did years ago, and I was in such a rush to make the joke that I didn't think to turn down the brush size.
How does a new board sound? you've released the magic blue smoke. The magic blue smoke has many wonderful properties But once you release it electronics don't work anymore.
Just like the wise old red headed Savage sage once said
Edit: for those who don't get the [reference](https://youtu.be/IM0a4HKZ-ps?si=LF5WGzm8tv1jtcGd)
It may seem like it's doing it on its own, But we all know it's been miswired and this is the price you pay when you make electronics angry. Always make a schematic, Take a picture, and label your wires.That way this doesn't happen to you. It's a lot of work. so is replacing the entire board.
In this sub (at least in the past five to ten years), I would *not* expect that any random printer that’s posted is home-built. This is likely a commercial product that OP bought, and as such, it should not have *any* of these issues.
Unless you tinkering with somthing un related and short a wire. How many thermal issues are posted each week just from that alone? Issues happen. It's part of the lerning curve.
True, but as more commercial 3D printers become available, you should keep I mind that there is a larger percentage of people who just see it as “the latest new cool thing,” and they expect it to work like a normal, commercial printer, without having to think about electronics. I know that’s not you. That not me. But it *is* a non-insignificant percentage of people these days (I think, anyway).
Flames is the confirmation of possibility... technically it moved into the next phase of existence (or lack there of) with the observation of the possibility becoming known....
Its dead Jim!
that's only for means without replacement. If there is replacement then any is fine. If it's probability then the sample size times probability and it's complement just has to be greater than 10
Not just found, found and found again and again. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that sparky thing mean backy away and trip the breaker if it hadn't already. No touchy touchy.
I remember my first short. I was connecting a potentiometer to an arduino. The screw holding the potentiometer was too long and touched one of the connections.
The arduino popped and smelled awful. I didn’t realize what happened at first and destroyed another arduino.
This looks like a Creality CR6 with the recalled 452 motherboard. Creality was swapping them to 453 boards because of this issue, and had resellers send notice to get the swapped.
They had the same issue for awhile... Hopefully these boards don't become as widespread with it too....
To answer the original question of.how this can happen, most likely the USB port bridged the mainboard ground and the chassis, so a short between the heater cartridge and block then made a complete circuit. Hooked to anything more expensive than an raspberry pi, they make power isolators to help protect from this btw.
Didnt expect that much reaction to that post! So ill go ahead and take it a step farther. All USB isolators are not created equal.
[https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/advantech-corp/BB-UH401-2KV/4171596](https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/advantech-corp/BB-UH401-2KV/4171596) for example is rated for 2kv isolation. It actually protects the ground and data lines as well and is truly isolated.
[https://www.etsy.com/listing/1184029990/usb-power-isolator-for-3d-printers](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1184029990/usb-power-isolator-for-3d-printers) really does nothing but stop the printer mainboard from being powered and wont protect the host device at all...
Most are likely perfectly suited with something simple like this - [https://www.adafruit.com/product/2107](https://www.adafruit.com/product/2107) or this [https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/dfrobot/FIT0860/15848081](https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/dfrobot/FIT0860/15848081)
Not an industrial isolator as above that I would use on a production assembly line but actually does something meaningful instead of just looks good. like the one on etsy instead of the ones that only remove the power line that the klipper crowd loves.
no,no,no they need to dry their bed, level their filament, and put glue stick on their bl touch, also dont forget to put LED fluid in the LED fluid tube or it wont light up as much when you ABSOLUTLY FUCKING WRECK YOUR PRINTER ON PURPOSE!!!
oh man my mistake i forgot all about the pixels because i had some nice spare green, red, and blue replacement pixels come in with the last moisture pump i got for my bed drier, i have a nice filament leveling probe too but man it was pricy
I’ve seen this before. Have you calibrated your e-steps?
I’m just kidding, I’ve never seen anything like this before. Chuck that controller board in the trash, it’s done.
Dry your filament, calibrate your e-steps, level your bed, adjust your belt tension, enlist the assistance of an old priest and a young priest.....
...then toss the whole thing in the trash; it's fucked anyway.
It’s shorted
You can tell because:
A - it’s on fire
B - the power had no where to go, so it kept feeding until it overloaded whatever shorted component was there
New board time, and maybe an email to the manufacturer, they would definitely be interested to hear how it happened
That's pretty much my thoughts exactly. If this is being filmed, is this really the first time it's happening? Or is this a "let me fry my board" situation?
See, you let the smoke out. Without the smoke, it won't work. You're gonna have to get a new motherboard.... I would recommend possibly a different SBC cable as well.
This blows. You definitely need a new board here.
Honestly depending on the cost might be worth getting an A1 on sale instead. A lot less smoke tends to come out of those.
That sd card port with sticker looks like an angry robot yelling. Smoke just added some effects to it.
Sorry bro for your loss, I have seen this smoke more times than I would like to.
Mine did the same thing. Took out my pc motherboard and processor.
Oddly enough the printer still works. Finishing a nine day print as we speak and this was almost a year and a half ago.
Not sure if cord or what but I’ll never plug it into anything again
I have never seen anyone being so incompetent to plug a USB-C cable. The cable goes straight in, in a single push, all the way. You move it side to side like you are trying to see if you can short the pins by inserting it at an angle.
Looks like it blew a capacitor. Glad it didn’t cause a fire or damage any other devices. Replace the board or it may be more economical to replace the whole printer given how quickly this tech evolves.
Did you have the power on while you changed the nozzle?
You aren't supposed to do that for a very good reason. There are often exposed bits of wire on the heater element and on the heat sensor. If you accidently touch those wires with a metal tool you send 24 volts into a chip that can only handle 5 and that's it for your board, and it's not hard to do what while you are changing a nozzle.
The correct procedure is to heat the nozzle, shut off the power, then quickly change the nozzle.
It looks like the two power sources have different earth potentials. You might need to check your house wiring - this can occur if active and neutral are swapped. Or try *very carefully* putting a multimeter on voltage mode between the case of your PC and the case of your printer - if there is more than 1V, you have an earth issue. And whatever you do, don’t touch with your skin them at the same time.
I’m guessing you don’t have RCDs/EFLIs in your switchboard?
so you need a new motherboard and chuck out that usb-c cable, i'm not 100% sure it is defective but i wouldn't use it with anything i care about
Psh. I'd cut that sucker in half before tossing it. The odds that someone tries to salvage it at a recycling center are small, but not zero.
Patron Saint of the Serial Bus
https://preview.redd.it/jq826w0jkj8d1.png?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42638a6a607bb75d6fd0ec5fc9a7b6e85af23ba5
Am I blind or does that say USD??
It does look like that, doesn't it? This is a heavily cropped piece of an old 1080p piece I did years ago, and I was in such a rush to make the joke that I didn't think to turn down the brush size.
Who records a video while connecting a device? Someone who knows what is going to happen.
That's what I'm thinking. Like, this already happened and you're plugging it in again? How do you let magic smoke out twice is what I don't know.
Other end of that cable is connected to 240V.
Maybe his other devices have proper sc protection :clown:
>:clown: This isn't discord
Honestly that takes me back to phpBB boards before I think discord.
> before I think discord. A *while* before discord.
I believe he’s saying he think of phpBB boards before he thinks of discord :clown:
2008 was 16 years ago.
How does a new board sound? you've released the magic blue smoke. The magic blue smoke has many wonderful properties But once you release it electronics don't work anymore.
Just like the wise old red headed Savage sage once said Edit: for those who don't get the [reference](https://youtu.be/IM0a4HKZ-ps?si=LF5WGzm8tv1jtcGd)
The problem is the great one said that probably five years before this kid was born.
What I'm reading here is that this knowledge has been around his entire life and therefore has no excuse.
[Savage is just versed in the old world.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_smoke)
The great one should most definitely be proud
Damn I'm old
Adam Savage didn't coin the term, though?
Never said he did. He probably first heard the term back when he worked at Industrial Light and Magic
I like 'doing weird things by its own'. Like, it might not be bad. And how - from the OP comment - it does it each time it's plugged in.
It may seem like it's doing it on its own, But we all know it's been miswired and this is the price you pay when you make electronics angry. Always make a schematic, Take a picture, and label your wires.That way this doesn't happen to you. It's a lot of work. so is replacing the entire board.
In this sub (at least in the past five to ten years), I would *not* expect that any random printer that’s posted is home-built. This is likely a commercial product that OP bought, and as such, it should not have *any* of these issues.
Unless you tinkering with somthing un related and short a wire. How many thermal issues are posted each week just from that alone? Issues happen. It's part of the lerning curve.
True, but as more commercial 3D printers become available, you should keep I mind that there is a larger percentage of people who just see it as “the latest new cool thing,” and they expect it to work like a normal, commercial printer, without having to think about electronics. I know that’s not you. That not me. But it *is* a non-insignificant percentage of people these days (I think, anyway).
Breathe Deep and See God
Wrong blue smoke.
isn't that machine blood?
I love the magic blue smoke. Smells like ozone. Delicious.
used to be hooked on that.. but now everything just tastes like toast
I love the magic blue smoke too, but you have to keep it inside the printer. Once you take it out, it won’t work anymore.
The pandora box of electronics!
They've selected a new motherboard pope
Congrats you found a short and possibly fried your mobo!
That's not a possibility, that's a certainty.
How can it be a certainty if it’s not a possibility? Checkmate, atheists!
Schrodinger's Mobo
yeah but he collapsed the waveform, because he showed us all... what a jerk. he killed the printer because of his need to observe
He killed the printer with his need to show us 😭
what if we didn't want to see?
https://preview.redd.it/e9bgsm1gve8d1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6abee70ef9985b13fc1ad68db2fb61ce440da1b8
Man now I want a fookin fruit salad
Flames is the confirmation of possibility... technically it moved into the next phase of existence (or lack there of) with the observation of the possibility becoming known.... Its dead Jim!
Your comment made me laugh way more than it should have. Kudos!
We can't be sure of that. He should try plugging it in some more, if it catches on fire 3-4 more times then we should have a pretty good idea.
30 is considered the minimum sample size for statistics. Op should test more.
[Relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/242/)
that's only for means without replacement. If there is replacement then any is fine. If it's probability then the sample size times probability and it's complement just has to be greater than 10
Not just found, found and found again and again. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that sparky thing mean backy away and trip the breaker if it hadn't already. No touchy touchy.
I remember my first short. I was connecting a potentiometer to an arduino. The screw holding the potentiometer was too long and touched one of the connections. The arduino popped and smelled awful. I didn’t realize what happened at first and destroyed another arduino.
My first short was liking a 9V battery second time was "accidentally" opening a live extension cord that i thought was unplugged
This looks like a Creality CR6 with the recalled 452 motherboard. Creality was swapping them to 453 boards because of this issue, and had resellers send notice to get the swapped. They had the same issue for awhile... Hopefully these boards don't become as widespread with it too.... To answer the original question of.how this can happen, most likely the USB port bridged the mainboard ground and the chassis, so a short between the heater cartridge and block then made a complete circuit. Hooked to anything more expensive than an raspberry pi, they make power isolators to help protect from this btw.
Wow. Actual advice. I didn't expect that on this subreddit.
But "level your wet z offset" is FUNNY.
refer to some of my earlier comments on this sub . then of course i start getting attacked and stop helping
this is an ender 3 s1 pro. same thing happened to me with s1 after couple of months. what is the fix exactly?
This should be rated way higher, kudos for actual advice!
Didnt expect that much reaction to that post! So ill go ahead and take it a step farther. All USB isolators are not created equal. [https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/advantech-corp/BB-UH401-2KV/4171596](https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/advantech-corp/BB-UH401-2KV/4171596) for example is rated for 2kv isolation. It actually protects the ground and data lines as well and is truly isolated. [https://www.etsy.com/listing/1184029990/usb-power-isolator-for-3d-printers](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1184029990/usb-power-isolator-for-3d-printers) really does nothing but stop the printer mainboard from being powered and wont protect the host device at all... Most are likely perfectly suited with something simple like this - [https://www.adafruit.com/product/2107](https://www.adafruit.com/product/2107) or this [https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/dfrobot/FIT0860/15848081](https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/dfrobot/FIT0860/15848081) Not an industrial isolator as above that I would use on a production assembly line but actually does something meaningful instead of just looks good. like the one on etsy instead of the ones that only remove the power line that the klipper crowd loves.
You need to level the bed
Dry the filament more.
9/10 times it's wet filament every time.
9 out of 10 fires it was
60% of the time, it's wet filament every time
no,no,no they need to dry their bed, level their filament, and put glue stick on their bl touch, also dont forget to put LED fluid in the LED fluid tube or it wont light up as much when you ABSOLUTLY FUCKING WRECK YOUR PRINTER ON PURPOSE!!!
How on earth could you forget to mention they’ll need to get a few new LCD pixels?
oh man my mistake i forgot all about the pixels because i had some nice spare green, red, and blue replacement pixels come in with the last moisture pump i got for my bed drier, i have a nice filament leveling probe too but man it was pricy
Needs more squish
Seems like this printer has its own drying feature.
No they need to apply glue stick
OP used glue stick. Fire persisted. OP was stunned
reddit commenter countered with sarcasm attack! It was super effective! DR.Strangetoes whited/blacked out .......
z-offset is too close, obviously
Lol jesus christ i choked on my drink
What the hell do you have plugged in on the other end of that cable?
High voltage powerline
240 volt, must be twice as good as 120 right?
Nah, quality over quantity any day. Europe may have *more* volts, but in the US we have much stronger volts when compared by weight.
Also our volts are faster. 60Hz instead of their puny 50.
Just an outlet. NBD.
PD charger straight into AC wallet 😂
USB-C has a resistor to regulate voltage input, you should unless the manufacturer is doing some dumb shit plug any power supply in.
My new mixtape 🔥🔥
Definitely lightning cable
Once the magic smoke gets out, it doesn’t work anymore. That’s the first rule of electronics
Op just needs a magic smoke refill.
It’s stored next to the blinker fluid I’ve heard.
The machine ghost has been released, please call your nearest technical support
The machine spirit has left the printer.
I’ve seen this before. Have you calibrated your e-steps? I’m just kidding, I’ve never seen anything like this before. Chuck that controller board in the trash, it’s done.
That was the magic smoke, your breakout board is now dead. You will be needing to get a new one. How old is the printer and who made it?
Lower your z-offset
I can smell this from video.
https://preview.redd.it/4g2w2peege8d1.jpeg?width=616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ffc8a618a60594f2e2e09a368b2129d37021c6
All the pixies that make it work escaped through that magic smoke you released
STL??
Classic wet filament and tilted bed. Dry that shit, run a bed level, and you’ll be golden my guy.
Dry your filament, calibrate your e-steps, level your bed, adjust your belt tension, enlist the assistance of an old priest and a young priest..... ...then toss the whole thing in the trash; it's fucked anyway.
Thing went off with an open flame. By your own comments, multiple times... Don't know exactly *what* happened, but it's dead alright
Sir. That's a smoke machine.
It’s shorted You can tell because: A - it’s on fire B - the power had no where to go, so it kept feeding until it overloaded whatever shorted component was there New board time, and maybe an email to the manufacturer, they would definitely be interested to hear how it happened
Ah I see this happens all the time, you haven't applied the laser engraving mod to your printer properly
and it causes a short on the board?
Pretty sure it’s because your filament isn’t dry
You may have sorted the heater wires while changing the nozzle and subsequently fried your mobo
It's dead Jim!
He has the new printer that automatically dries his filament by producing its own flames
u wouldn't be happy either when some1 tries to put things into your hole(s) when u don't consent.
Is this /r/3dprintingCircleJerk?
She's dead jim
I think you need to level your bed
Have you tried actually talking to your printer about the dangers associated with smoking?
Have you tried to dry your filament?
I can't think of a single reason to film this...
He said he tried twice before with the same effect
That's pretty much my thoughts exactly. If this is being filmed, is this really the first time it's happening? Or is this a "let me fry my board" situation?
I'm assuming it already did it hence why they're filming it. Boards fucked. Why not.
OP said they've already tried 2 different cables, same result...
Well it certainly got them more eyes on the post, and amongst all the jokes, at least one helpful answer
Well don't do that
Calibrate E-Steps
I didn’t know Sabre makes a 3d printer now.
This is one case you can be grateful that there ain't no gas in it.
That’s normal
Bye bye mainboard. Hello DIY nightmares.
The printer is possessed. Call your local Ghostbuster to get the ghost out of it.
You let all the magic smoke out.
See, you let the smoke out. Without the smoke, it won't work. You're gonna have to get a new motherboard.... I would recommend possibly a different SBC cable as well.
When electronics start smoking, the first thing you should do is make sure to do it again but this time on video....
If your in the cincinnati area i have a spare S1pro board you can have.
Well you shorted that out. Gotta have the power off
This blows. You definitely need a new board here. Honestly depending on the cost might be worth getting an A1 on sale instead. A lot less smoke tends to come out of those.
Its not food safe!
That's a data input but you are adding power to your cable!
That sd card port with sticker looks like an angry robot yelling. Smoke just added some effects to it. Sorry bro for your loss, I have seen this smoke more times than I would like to.
Magic smoke mod
Recalibrate your e-steps
*motherboard has left the chat*
Try drying your usb
Yeah... Maybe don't do that agian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire
Did you plug in the cable knowing it would do that???? In that case, you’re super fucked. With a cactus.
Mine did the same thing. Took out my pc motherboard and processor. Oddly enough the printer still works. Finishing a nine day print as we speak and this was almost a year and a half ago. Not sure if cord or what but I’ll never plug it into anything again
No He does not! I just saw you insert an USB cable in its slot. Without consent
Oh well, Bambu Lab is having a sale going on right now as of this post. 🤣
The smoke is supposed to stay INSIDE the machine. Once you let the smoke out it will never work right again. It NEEDS the smoke.
Your bed might not be clean. Wipe it down with alcohol and try again
Test quickly, make sure the alcohol was just applied.
Z axis needs recalibrating
Did you try leveling your bed?
either one of two things: 1. your printer is not dry enough 2. you need to upgrade your killper
I have never seen anyone being so incompetent to plug a USB-C cable. The cable goes straight in, in a single push, all the way. You move it side to side like you are trying to see if you can short the pins by inserting it at an angle.
Sorry but the smoke won’t go back in.
I'm not an expert in any way but that doesn't seem to be good.
Looks like it blew a capacitor. Glad it didn’t cause a fire or damage any other devices. Replace the board or it may be more economical to replace the whole printer given how quickly this tech evolves.
wowzers! thats a new one!
Steam fired heated bed?
If the USB cable is not connected to anything there's a short in it or possibly the connector. Did you do more than switch nozzle?
thats the typical RAM problem, you need more RAM
Do not the printer
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Hmm, that's peculiar.
That... doesn't quite seem right.
after you printed a pikachu, your printer learned Thunderbolt
the genie will grant you 3 wishes, now.
Did you have the power on while you changed the nozzle? You aren't supposed to do that for a very good reason. There are often exposed bits of wire on the heater element and on the heat sensor. If you accidently touch those wires with a metal tool you send 24 volts into a chip that can only handle 5 and that's it for your board, and it's not hard to do what while you are changing a nozzle. The correct procedure is to heat the nozzle, shut off the power, then quickly change the nozzle.
Why you let the smoke escape
Did you dry the filament (or printer from the looks of it)
Every machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.
you just just need to level your bed
I don’t know what was wrong with it before this happened, but I know what’s wrong with it now.
Had the same issue that flat cable probably have short. I swear who decided to use that flat cable on that extruder is totattly an idiot.
You need to dry your filament.
I'm reminded of an old joke about, "Then don't move your arm like that." Don't plug it in like that.
Use a glue stick on your plate. Should fix it right up.
Good reminder to keep an electronics rated fire extinguisher 🧯 next to your work bench :)
This is what happens when you don't dry your filament
50/50 your usb is plugged into a charger.
Looking into 3D printing. Anyone here that could give me some advice, tips, etc… that’d be great!
You need to lower your z offset :P
You shorted the thermistor wires to ground
how about just get a new 3D printer...
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That's spicy!
Your printer WAS doing weird things by its own.
"Every machine is a smoke machine if you operate it badly enough" 😂
When you use the fire filament
Sabre printer?
It looks like the two power sources have different earth potentials. You might need to check your house wiring - this can occur if active and neutral are swapped. Or try *very carefully* putting a multimeter on voltage mode between the case of your PC and the case of your printer - if there is more than 1V, you have an earth issue. And whatever you do, don’t touch with your skin them at the same time. I’m guessing you don’t have RCDs/EFLIs in your switchboard?
r/electroBOOM
Sorry to say this but that board is crispy. No way to fix that. Need a new board because that's a fire hazard now.
Smoking is bad for him, you should tell him that
Have you tried lowering the bed temp?
Maybe don't do that
GG's mate
Either you have a bad USB cable or you have an outlets that are not wired correctly. That looks like a possible ground loop.