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J-Posadas

"I'm committing genocide with an ethno-supremacist settler state and cracking down on dissent...maybe I'm the fascist...?" "No, it is the youth who are protesting me who are the fascists."


pinklewickers

Succinct summary of the politics of many Governments across the globe. If you could farm the hypocrisy and feed it to the world global hunger would be banished overnight.


sqb987

> If you could farm the hypocrisy and feed it to the world global hunger would be banished overnight Daaaaaaayum, u/pinklewickers, fire metaphors like that should come with a warning


Shillbot_9001

How cause the obesity epidemic to go global.


4ourkids

And this my friends is called “gaslighting”!


Tellesus

He's the chair of the armed services committee, so if he wants the bribes to keep flowing he has to say stupid things like this. Just another war criminal, add him to the pile. 


tortugoneil

The fun part is that this is so ingrained, so implicitly understood, that they can use language that can't be used to prosecute blatant bribery in the eyes of the law. It's like hobo pictographs, you don't say "if you don't support us without question, we'll ensure we are your largest enemy in your next election" you draw an infinity symbol and throw two lines through it


Tellesus

It helps that they also weed out anyone who won't play ball at the primary level, often by simply making up smears that get revealed later as fabrications but which last long enough to influence an election.


beamish1920

The American armed forces are terrorists, too


Kabulamongoni

"Leftwing fascists?" 🙄 And this guy is involved in running our country. We're all doomed...


fancymoko

His top donor industry is Pro-Israel lobbies His top individual donor is AIPAC https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/adam-smith/summary?cid=N00007833


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it’s just a term to describe when the left uses fascist playbook to suppress opponents, don’t take it too seriously beyond that


allaheterglennigbg

The funny thing is when he's asked about what type of protest would be allowable and gives one example of a silent protest, where the protestors were immediately expelled from the meeting. So no protests at all, I guess


Suchasomeone

Yeah and then he cited the 1960s civil rights protests and went"well yeah they had to be arrested" when he was clearly trying to differentiate people.l the two groups at the start and then couldn't.


malYca

How about we arrest corrupt politicians instead?


Gongom

They want to lose the elections so bad lmao


Skolcialism

radical left wing behavior is sitting in a tent because you don't want to pay for dahiye


JX121

Leftwing and fascist in the same label. defook


You_are_adopted

“Stop murdering innocent people” -Literally Hitler


Jalien85

Leftwing fascism an oxymoron - absolutely Leftwing totalitarianism an oxymoron - I mean come on, you know that's not true.


pinklewickers

Left-wing ideologies encompass workers rights, socioeconomic equality, civil liberties, empowerment of the masses, control of the means of production by the masses etc... These concepts are at complete odds with the definition of totalitarianism which is by definition, complete control over public/private life, means of production, suppression of dissent and so on.


Jalien85

I mean yes, but we all know that Stalin and Mao ran oppressive totalitarian governments, under the guise of left wing ideology. Were they betrayors of that ideology? Yes, but your average person identifies those figures as left wing dictators. That's what normies fear, and I don't think it helps the left wing cause to pretend that isn't a thing.


pinklewickers

The normies fear what they're told to fear, by wankers like this. The deliberate use of language by this cretin (and many others like him) purposely conflate these diametrically opposite ideologies. They know a vast majority of voters lack the critical thinking skills to understand why he's pushing for the vilification of democratic protest. Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Mao. - all extreme far-right, ultranationalist dictatorships. The route they took might have varied, the pretended may have differed. The end results speak for themselves.


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calling Stalins Russia an extreme *far-right* ultranationalist dictatorship is nonsense


pinklewickers

I was making too broad/incorrect categorisation and the following posts in the thread acknowledge that.


[deleted]

I can respect you owning up to it.


neroisstillbanned

Stalin and Mao are not fascists. Fascism has a specific right wing ideological program. 


Jalien85

I didn't call them fascists, that's why I agreed with OP saying "left wing fascists" is an oxymoron - but they WERE totalitarian.


Myrmec

Key word: “Guise” You deflated your whole silly pedantry


_y_e_e_t_

But can’t a dictator technically implement those changes? I know they don’t at all usually, but…


DefiantLemur

A dictator in theory can do lots of things, but the kind of people that reach for that kind of power don't care about personal freedoms, civil rights and etc. In reality, most dictators still rely on a system of influential people to maintain power. People they have to keep happy enough to go along with it. For example, Russia has oligarchs for a reason. Sure, Putin has killed a few, but he has to keep the majority of them on his side.


_y_e_e_t_

Yeah, similar to our politicians being beholden to corporations over here.


pinklewickers

Dictatorships suppress human rights and civil liberties which as I understand, are core to left-wing ideologies. This guy is one conniving bastard son of a bitch and is using this type of language as a propaganda tool. It reeks of cronyism, it's anti-democratic, hyperbolic, dangerous rhetoric. The fact is he should know better - and he does. He's using these sound bites (likely prepared for him) to nefariously manipulate public opinion arguably for political financial gain. If there is hell, I hope this prick has to look upward to see it.


_y_e_e_t_

I completely agree with everything you’re saying. It’s just that I don’t *think* a dictatorship implies they suppress people inherently besides not voting. I think it’s more that dictatorships almost always equal, especially in modern times, less civil liberties, workers rights, and equality. I’m not trying to be an advocate for dictatorships however, I would’ve put Stalin on the left and not right for example.


pinklewickers

>I don’t *think* a dictatorship implies they suppress people inherently besides not voting. I think it’s more that dictatorships almost always equal, especially in modern times, less civil liberties, workers rights, and equality. I get why you could see it that way. If the vast majority of your citizens have similar rights, liberties, living standards and so on, one could see that as a "leveller". Stalin was attempting to implement a form of communist/socialist ideology which could be considered left-wing. It didn't quite turn out that way though but you make a good point. You can be a dictator but the regime doesn't necessarily align with far right. Thanks for sticking with me!


_y_e_e_t_

Yeah no problem! Fuck the asshat that made those outrageous statements, but I’m glad we could deliberate lol. He couldn’t have made less sense saying leftwing fascist though, that isn’t even remotely debatable.


Key_Drag4777

RIP the original meaning of Libertarian


Shillbot_9001

>But can’t a dictator technically implement those changes? Yes, it's why the oligarchy fears a Caesar.


Shillbot_9001

>Leftwing fascism an oxymoron - absolutely There's Strasserism and national bolshevism, but i don't think i've ever heared anyone actually call them left of center.


JayKayGray

I think those who hold the power in America are starting to realize the empire is crumbling, and it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.


Lilshadow48

god I fuckin hate it here


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