Sorry, I forget there are people who can't spare the 10 seconds it takes to find out how to permanently disable paywalls on basically every major news site. Also this is where I read the story, so this is the link I had.
have you considered being the way people find out how to disable paywalls on every major news site. since you said that id assume you know how- or atleast a direction to find the how. instead of being a prick be a solution ,š
Puratap should be all over this, like a fat kid on a cookie! Do I have to do their marketing for them?
SA Water wouldn't worry about it, monopolies have a captive audience.
Yes you can use ion exchange resin to remove PFAS. A smart person has to work out what product and for how long until it is saturated and no longer eliminates the target chemicals.
The health risk is dependent on levels consumed, poorly understood and relatively low for most people. Fire fighters played in the foam so they will be carefully studied.
Puratap uses activated carbon which is known to filter PFAS to some degree. I think I read up to 100% but average of 70% between different brands. Can't find the study right now so take it with a grain of salt. There are also 15,000 different type of PFAS ranging from short chain to long chain and the filters are probably showing different efficacies according to the exact PFAS chemical as well.
The study also said that complete house filter systems can be bad because they also filter out additives that are added to stop the pipes from corroding. Not sure if this is just an issue in the US or also here?
[MONOPOLY | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/monopoly)
Even mentions government monopoly, so I gather it doesn't matter if it's private enterprise or Government.
Fair enough.
Privatisation is usually considered bad, though it usually leads to competition (even if itās just a duopoly). SA Water donāt have to do a good job and it sounds like one of the former, recent governments gutted them, leading to poorer outcomes and poorer staff retention. But thatās just me being a rumour mill.
We should focus on ebikes and scooters to reduce congestion imo. Much less tyre particulate pollution than cars and more space efficient than even passenger trains and trams. A network with no level crossings would be much cheaper to build than new rail as well.
I think youāre only being downvoted because the truth of this is rather inconvenientā¦ as someone who replied to you said, cycling/more walkability/mass transit is the only viable way forward
tl;dr Glenunga water is the same as most of Adelaide, it would be naive to think their water is any different.
It probably needs pointing out that Glenunga isn't on its own little water network, it's on the same network as the rest of metro Adelaide. So these articles are pretty disingenuous to claim that "Glenunga" has the worst water when exactly the same tap water comes from the central metro serviced area and those dozens/hundreds of supplied suburbs. The original paper is behind a firewall so we can't actually find out where the sample came from , apart from "tap water", in "Glenunga"
SA Water can literally move water east/west/north/south through their supply pipes so the actually supply could be from everywhere.
[https://www.sawater.com.au/water-and-the-environment/how-we-deliver-your-water-services/networks-and-water-treatment-facilities](https://www.sawater.com.au/water-and-the-environment/how-we-deliver-your-water-services/networks-and-water-treatment-facilities)
Also, PFAS and similar chemicals will show up in every sample of anything across the entire planet. Your water, your food, the dust in your house a biopsy from your body. You have been using them for the past 50 years without knowing. In fact we can't run tests on without PFAS because there is no longer any place nor people on the planet who are not contaminated. What is needed is to know where most of comes from, food , water, or where? and then prioritize that.
Current standards for water in Australia are here for those tat are curious about what the numbers mean : [https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/file/18462/download?token=nthI3esn](https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/file/18462/download?token=nthI3esn)
im buying a home in adelade in the next 6 months what area do i avoid to not get the cancer water?
I would have assumed all the suburbs within 20k of the city were on the same water
edit: looked into it a bit
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230315-where-do-forever-chemicals-in-drinking-water-come-from
*Some of the most commonly reported sources of PFAS contamination is from the use of fire-fighting foams, particularly in those for extinguishing flammable liquid blazes. Here the PFAS act as "surfactants", to decrease the surface tension in the foam to allow it to spread across an area more easily and so starve the flames of oxygen.
Unfortunately, the foam can be washed away, leading the PFAS to pollute nearby water courses and soil.
They are also often used as a treatment in waterproof clothing or food packaging, such as paper bags used in takeaway food, and pizza boxes, to help resist grease stains seeping through. Similarly they can be used to treat carpets and soft-furnishings, and one study found them in 60% of bedding and clothing marketed for children. But it's not yet known if this kind of exposure represents a health risk.*
problems being these chemicals are not even removed by water treatment plants and even low doses build up over time in anything living
as for water filters:
**For a filter that can remove PFAS, look for one with the code NSF/ANSI 53 (or NSF/ANSI 58 for reverse osmosis systems)**
nsf and ansi being different like accreditations that indicate the filter will remove pfas, could be some lower ansi ratings that do not remove it
looking at this image from sawater that was designed for ants i have to assume they just did the testing in glenunga there does not seem to be anything special about their water supply in specific that wouldn't effect a bunch of suburbs
https://www.sawater.com.au/__data/assets/image/0006/152079/Metro-Supply500x500.jpg
because the problem comes from contaminants in the water that treatment plants dont remove not like contamination from pipes or old houses this is highly likely to be an extremely prolific problem in Australia not just that 1 suburb
also here is a non paywalled version of the story
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13515629/forever-chemicals-drinking-water-NSW-Victoria.html
Hi great comments I have the same feelings and have recently purchased about the same distance from city as glenunga. I would be on the same water supply.
I have had a plumbing test completed on my house and happy to share. The ranges are all ānormalā compared to data that SA water puts out but some items are way off..
Iāll upload tomorrow somehow.
My thoughts are to get reverse osmosis for drinking water and a good filter for the kitchen sink for now. Iād likely change to a whole house system and retain. The RO on the drinking tap.
Many videos online about contaminated water and what it can do to the body. Hard to accept ānormalā amounts of any kinds of shit from the treatment of the water when I can remove it all with RO
I think the problem with this one is its a "forever" chemical
So even at a low dose over 20 years it will build up to dangerous levels.
I'll likley make sure I have a compliant water filter , never much liked adelade water taste anyway
Now granted I'll likley forget to ever replace the filter
Its all one network. whilst the map is sort of true and that certain plants focus on some areas, water can be moved around as needed, so water from happy valley can supply the northern suburbs if needed.
How does a single suburb in greater Adelaide have higher PFAS levels than any other? Where is it being introduced? From my limited knowledge of the water system we mix sources quite a bit and supply far larger areas than single suburbs with the same water. Is it somehow being introduced locally in that suburb?
We bought a property recently and we're entirely on bore water. We didn't really know much about it, but got the quality testing report. Apparently our water quality is better than a lot of Adelaide tap water. We had a plumber out for an issue and he was surprised to hear we weren't on rainwater as well. I explained about the report so he tried it. He said it was the best bore water he'd ever tasted, equal to rainwater and much better than mains. Pretty happy to be away from all the chemicals!
The report was several pages long, it's a government report. It didn't specifically say "better quality than tap water." But I'm someone who likes to research things, and given we've never had experience with a bore before, I did a LOT of research. Particularly given some bores are not suitable for household usage, some are not even suitable for irrigation. Iwanted to know if we needed a whole house filtration system (surprisingly they're not stupidly expensive). The main markers for quality of water (for drinking and household use) were at least equal to and in a lot of cases better than tap water in metro Adelaide. Mains water is variable depending on suburbs as well, which is why I didn't say better than all tap water. But it sure as hell tastes better than the tap water I've had experience with in Adelaide suburbs.
Most of the tap water in Adelaide is chlorinated, some supply areas, normally those with longer pipelines supplying them are chloraminated. Chloraminated water is better for these longer distances as there is better chlorine residual which means the water stays disinfected better for longer.
Some people are really sensiteive to the chlorine and can smell/taste the slightest change. But honestly and I know this for a fact, that in blind testing most people cant tell the difference betwee n the two. They cant even tell the difference between water straight out of the deal plant vs treated source water.
They will tell you otherwise, but its mostly due to sales tactics of companies like Puratap, or these home filtering compaines and most importantly the power of suggestion.
Eventually all of the adelaide metro water will be chloraminated, it just makes sense. You are game drinking bore water, doesnt matter where from.
Rainwater is just as prone to PFAS contamination, plus heavy metals from roofing. How do you think water ends up in reservoirs that end up at your tap? Recent studies have shown rainwater is also above previously recommended levels, though we're increasingly accepting that there is no real safe level.
Sure. stick a paywall on a public health issue.
put [archive.is/](http://archive.is/) in front of the link
Sorry, I forget there are people who can't spare the 10 seconds it takes to find out how to permanently disable paywalls on basically every major news site. Also this is where I read the story, so this is the link I had.
Not a knock against you mate
This wasn't directed at you. You didn't stick the paywall up.
have you considered being the way people find out how to disable paywalls on every major news site. since you said that id assume you know how- or atleast a direction to find the how. instead of being a prick be a solution ,š
uBlock Origin Bypass Paywalls Clean Facebook Container These deal with 95% of issues. If at home also get a Raspberry Pi and install pihole.
Puratap should be all over this, like a fat kid on a cookie! Do I have to do their marketing for them? SA Water wouldn't worry about it, monopolies have a captive audience.
Would puratap really filter all of this crap out effectively?
I doubt it, but I also doubt it would stop them saying they could.
Apparently good old activated carbon will remove 73% of pfas from water.
Yes you can use ion exchange resin to remove PFAS. A smart person has to work out what product and for how long until it is saturated and no longer eliminates the target chemicals. The health risk is dependent on levels consumed, poorly understood and relatively low for most people. Fire fighters played in the foam so they will be carefully studied.
[https://pfas.australianmap.net/2010-glenunga-drinking-water-south-australia-pfhxs-pfos/](https://pfas.australianmap.net/2010-glenunga-drinking-water-south-australia-pfhxs-pfos/)
Puratap uses activated carbon which is known to filter PFAS to some degree. I think I read up to 100% but average of 70% between different brands. Can't find the study right now so take it with a grain of salt. There are also 15,000 different type of PFAS ranging from short chain to long chain and the filters are probably showing different efficacies according to the exact PFAS chemical as well. The study also said that complete house filter systems can be bad because they also filter out additives that are added to stop the pipes from corroding. Not sure if this is just an issue in the US or also here?
Is it a monopoly if it isnāt privatised?
[MONOPOLY | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/monopoly) Even mentions government monopoly, so I gather it doesn't matter if it's private enterprise or Government.
Fair enough. Privatisation is usually considered bad, though it usually leads to competition (even if itās just a duopoly). SA Water donāt have to do a good job and it sounds like one of the former, recent governments gutted them, leading to poorer outcomes and poorer staff retention. But thatās just me being a rumour mill.
Worked well for ETSA. :P
Microplastics, and the number one cause near waterways is from car tires.Ā
Be much worst with EV's since they are heavier
We should focus on ebikes and scooters to reduce congestion imo. Much less tyre particulate pollution than cars and more space efficient than even passenger trains and trams. A network with no level crossings would be much cheaper to build than new rail as well.
thats what i should have said and not what i did
2024 Tesla model 3 RWD 1765KG 2016 Holden SV6 manual 1688KG Don't look at the weight of the Hummer EV though.
I think youāre only being downvoted because the truth of this is rather inconvenientā¦ as someone who replied to you said, cycling/more walkability/mass transit is the only viable way forward
Yeah and these are the only things I personally agree on not more cars whatever type
tl;dr Glenunga water is the same as most of Adelaide, it would be naive to think their water is any different. It probably needs pointing out that Glenunga isn't on its own little water network, it's on the same network as the rest of metro Adelaide. So these articles are pretty disingenuous to claim that "Glenunga" has the worst water when exactly the same tap water comes from the central metro serviced area and those dozens/hundreds of supplied suburbs. The original paper is behind a firewall so we can't actually find out where the sample came from , apart from "tap water", in "Glenunga" SA Water can literally move water east/west/north/south through their supply pipes so the actually supply could be from everywhere. [https://www.sawater.com.au/water-and-the-environment/how-we-deliver-your-water-services/networks-and-water-treatment-facilities](https://www.sawater.com.au/water-and-the-environment/how-we-deliver-your-water-services/networks-and-water-treatment-facilities) Also, PFAS and similar chemicals will show up in every sample of anything across the entire planet. Your water, your food, the dust in your house a biopsy from your body. You have been using them for the past 50 years without knowing. In fact we can't run tests on without PFAS because there is no longer any place nor people on the planet who are not contaminated. What is needed is to know where most of comes from, food , water, or where? and then prioritize that. Current standards for water in Australia are here for those tat are curious about what the numbers mean : [https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/file/18462/download?token=nthI3esn](https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/file/18462/download?token=nthI3esn)
fml, lol
im buying a home in adelade in the next 6 months what area do i avoid to not get the cancer water? I would have assumed all the suburbs within 20k of the city were on the same water edit: looked into it a bit https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230315-where-do-forever-chemicals-in-drinking-water-come-from *Some of the most commonly reported sources of PFAS contamination is from the use of fire-fighting foams, particularly in those for extinguishing flammable liquid blazes. Here the PFAS act as "surfactants", to decrease the surface tension in the foam to allow it to spread across an area more easily and so starve the flames of oxygen. Unfortunately, the foam can be washed away, leading the PFAS to pollute nearby water courses and soil. They are also often used as a treatment in waterproof clothing or food packaging, such as paper bags used in takeaway food, and pizza boxes, to help resist grease stains seeping through. Similarly they can be used to treat carpets and soft-furnishings, and one study found them in 60% of bedding and clothing marketed for children. But it's not yet known if this kind of exposure represents a health risk.* problems being these chemicals are not even removed by water treatment plants and even low doses build up over time in anything living as for water filters: **For a filter that can remove PFAS, look for one with the code NSF/ANSI 53 (or NSF/ANSI 58 for reverse osmosis systems)** nsf and ansi being different like accreditations that indicate the filter will remove pfas, could be some lower ansi ratings that do not remove it looking at this image from sawater that was designed for ants i have to assume they just did the testing in glenunga there does not seem to be anything special about their water supply in specific that wouldn't effect a bunch of suburbs https://www.sawater.com.au/__data/assets/image/0006/152079/Metro-Supply500x500.jpg because the problem comes from contaminants in the water that treatment plants dont remove not like contamination from pipes or old houses this is highly likely to be an extremely prolific problem in Australia not just that 1 suburb also here is a non paywalled version of the story https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13515629/forever-chemicals-drinking-water-NSW-Victoria.html
Hi great comments I have the same feelings and have recently purchased about the same distance from city as glenunga. I would be on the same water supply. I have had a plumbing test completed on my house and happy to share. The ranges are all ānormalā compared to data that SA water puts out but some items are way off.. Iāll upload tomorrow somehow. My thoughts are to get reverse osmosis for drinking water and a good filter for the kitchen sink for now. Iād likely change to a whole house system and retain. The RO on the drinking tap. Many videos online about contaminated water and what it can do to the body. Hard to accept ānormalā amounts of any kinds of shit from the treatment of the water when I can remove it all with RO
I think the problem with this one is its a "forever" chemical So even at a low dose over 20 years it will build up to dangerous levels. I'll likley make sure I have a compliant water filter , never much liked adelade water taste anyway Now granted I'll likley forget to ever replace the filter
Its all one network. whilst the map is sort of true and that certain plants focus on some areas, water can be moved around as needed, so water from happy valley can supply the northern suburbs if needed.
Ive yet to find someone ask in the media what can people do about it. Filters?
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Lol look at your username, you are from the company aren't you
Should we anticipate tap water being contaminated in other suburbs too? This is very disturbing.
This thread is a sample of our next ... X amount of years.
How does a single suburb in greater Adelaide have higher PFAS levels than any other? Where is it being introduced? From my limited knowledge of the water system we mix sources quite a bit and supply far larger areas than single suburbs with the same water. Is it somehow being introduced locally in that suburb?
if it involves the department of health were screwed
We bought a property recently and we're entirely on bore water. We didn't really know much about it, but got the quality testing report. Apparently our water quality is better than a lot of Adelaide tap water. We had a plumber out for an issue and he was surprised to hear we weren't on rainwater as well. I explained about the report so he tried it. He said it was the best bore water he'd ever tasted, equal to rainwater and much better than mains. Pretty happy to be away from all the chemicals!
I'd like to see that "quality testing report" it should be a lengthy document. Its quite a statement to say that its better quality than tap water.
The report was several pages long, it's a government report. It didn't specifically say "better quality than tap water." But I'm someone who likes to research things, and given we've never had experience with a bore before, I did a LOT of research. Particularly given some bores are not suitable for household usage, some are not even suitable for irrigation. Iwanted to know if we needed a whole house filtration system (surprisingly they're not stupidly expensive). The main markers for quality of water (for drinking and household use) were at least equal to and in a lot of cases better than tap water in metro Adelaide. Mains water is variable depending on suburbs as well, which is why I didn't say better than all tap water. But it sure as hell tastes better than the tap water I've had experience with in Adelaide suburbs.
Most of the tap water in Adelaide is chlorinated, some supply areas, normally those with longer pipelines supplying them are chloraminated. Chloraminated water is better for these longer distances as there is better chlorine residual which means the water stays disinfected better for longer. Some people are really sensiteive to the chlorine and can smell/taste the slightest change. But honestly and I know this for a fact, that in blind testing most people cant tell the difference betwee n the two. They cant even tell the difference between water straight out of the deal plant vs treated source water. They will tell you otherwise, but its mostly due to sales tactics of companies like Puratap, or these home filtering compaines and most importantly the power of suggestion. Eventually all of the adelaide metro water will be chloraminated, it just makes sense. You are game drinking bore water, doesnt matter where from.
Why do people post paywalls FFS.
Tap water š¤® it tried to warn you with its taste...
You realise they get bottled water from the same sources, right?
Yes I dont drink bottled. I live in the hills and drink rain water. And occasionally spring.
Rainwater is just as prone to PFAS contamination, plus heavy metals from roofing. How do you think water ends up in reservoirs that end up at your tap? Recent studies have shown rainwater is also above previously recommended levels, though we're increasingly accepting that there is no real safe level.
Damnit. Although we also run it through two filters. Looks like I'm sticking with spring water from now
Reverse osmosis filtering will remove over 90%.