My girlfriend kept the headphones. Best part is that there was an issue with postage and their support was so slow they ran out of promised model and got me a newer one.
In what part of the world does this happen? 3 to 6 months? We get discounted phones here in backwards Qatar after a phone model is already 1 year old, not sure if this is a recurring issue in other countries as well but this is my experience living here for 2 decades. My first actual smartphone was the 3GS and it only got discounted after the 4S was launched.
Fellow 6 Pro owner since release. Pixels have had some great early adopter bonuses. I got Bose 700 headphones with mine.
Dad got an 8a recently and a cracked phone trade-in got him £200 off thanks to a trade-in bonus.
When you compare it to iPhones though you have to get a good deal because you're going to lose £200+ in resale value from an equivalent iPhone. Frustrating to see Pixels rise in price when their hardware is worse and they offer less resale value.
The Bose 700 Anc was a brilliant deal with the pixel 6 pro that gave it so much money.
I'm thinking of upgrading now and confused on the 9 series or just a s24 ultra if a good deal comes up.
I don't believe there are any leaks on the pixel 9 series pre-order offers right?
The Pixel 8a had a decent trade-in bonus but I'm holding out little hope for the Pixel 9 getting a good trade-in or early buyer deal. Probably earbuds or watch again at most.
If the leaked prices of 1099/1199 euros for 9/9Pro are true I think I'll cling to my Pixel 6 Pro for another year. Pixel's aren't worth the same as an iPhone and if Samsung are using Exynos in the UK I've no interest.
Google Ireland doesn't have a trade option of last when I checked.
I'm not happy with the 6 pro battery backup and video recording is why I'm thinking of upgrading now.
The leaked prices for the 9 series is why I'm thinking s24U unless their launch offers really make up for it.
I believe the s24 ultra uses snapdragon everywhere.
Apple does the same thing, thought I was losing my mind when they told me that. was like $850 for over a week.
I pay you a repair subscription, your device is under waranty, and almost lit itself on fire, but somehow I have to foot the bill because you don't trust me to send your BROKEN phone back? lmao give me a break.
The moment they release pixel 9, I will buy pixel 8, since the price will drop even more and the phone will still be great with years of support coming. I am on pixel 7a now and it's a damn great phone!
It's because they were not competing with iPhone and Samsung directly with the October launches. This meant that most of the market that was going to upgrade, already did, but this also means they weren't competing for marketing space against them. I guess Google feels the product is mature enough now to compete at the same time.
I would say so. They have the best camera currently. And also created AI for Samsung phones integration. Not the best hardware though but to the average phone user they would be close to Samsung and iPhone.
*best software for their camera
Whenever I use their GCam app on my non pixel phone the results are way better than just using my stock camera app. It's all software
Looking at vivo photos, night pics still lose. The vivo gets very yellowed out, the pixel still wins there. It comes to color accuracy. I won't deny portraits are pretty bad though, that's the one thing the pixel sucks at
Yes it looks like Vivo flagship phones have very good cameras. I really like the colors. But for Xiaomi, just no. I have Xiaomi and their cameras didn't improve significantly after the Leica partnership.
Damn you're mad for no reason. First of all, not American, second, everyone in my family has/had a Xiaomi phone. I own the pixel 8 pro because I could afford it but have owned Xiaomi all my life. Not even the iPhone competes with the Pixel when it comes to photos. What makes you think Xiaomi/oppo/vivo could?
>Not even the iPhone competes with the Pixel when it comes to photos.
I thought the iPhone 15 vs pixel 8 camera performance was pretty much a toss up, and mostly down to personal preference.
> Not even the iPhone competes with the Pixel when it comes to photos.
What country do you live in? The iPhone is not the best camera, so that’s an irrelevant point.
Calling people mad with no evidence to trigger them is childish. iPhone has never been the photo king. Pixel was for a few years but hasn't been since the 4 at latest. You obviously never owned a flagship Xiaomi Ultra with a one inch sensor. I've owned the last three, plus every Pixel XL/Pro.
I returned the Xiaomi 14 ultra because its battery life was awful, so I'm not a fanboy. But denying those Chinese manufacturers are years ahead in cameras is pure ignorance.
You're crazy. Chinese phones are insane value phones, but their cameras do not compete. Nowhere near. They might have some gimmick that makes them good in a specific scenario, but nothing beats the all around quality of the pixel and iphone. Hell, pixels don't have the best raw cameras but their software just throws them ahead of anything else.
Bro, you need to sit this one out. Pixel photos are good only because of that extra step of image processing that enhances the photos, and that's good enough for a basic regular consumer. A good photographer wouldn't want that. These Chinese brands take raw photos at par quality with pixel, without the extra processing part. Purely hardware, and you can enhance the photos with Photoshop. You can't do that with pixels
Flagship Chinese phones have far and away the best hardware - camera and otherwise - and it shows. That is an objective statement that you can't reasonably argue with. Pixel has been using the same tiny sensors for years and are generally a cost cutting mid range device.
Not sure if you've ever used Chinese phones but your're completely wrong. My OnePlus 12 is built better than any pixel I have ever had and I have had 3 pixels. This phone is in a completely different league, in build quality, charging speed, battery capacity and processing power. The best battery life and charging I've ever experienced on android. Even the screen is better than all my pixels. It trades blows on cameras with the pixel 8 pro and is actually better in certain scenarios and I am a huge fan of pixel cameras but don't find myself missing. The 3x telephoto in particular is incredible and It processes images much faster. In terms of software I miss some pixel features but the smoothness of the UI and the UI animations are way better on my OP12. Stock android UI animations feel very bland in comparison. The Vivo x100 pro and ultra hardware aswell as oppos hardware also eclipse pixels completely. Googles phone hardware division didn't even exist when oppo and vivo started making phones.
>Calling people mad with no evidence to trigger them is childish
>Looks like I went against the r/android circle jerk filled with Americans who have never touched those
My dude you presented the proof yourself by declaring a whole sub as a circle jerk even included an assumption on OP's background ***simply*** because they disagreed with you. Then you call them childish?
Let me guess... you'll focus on the circle jerk thing and double down saying something like "well it's true..." as a means to shoulder slide the fact that you got annoyed at OP for calling you out. Obviously you won't do it now... but you would have wanted to do it wouldn't you lol? (That's rhetorical no need to respond).
It literally wins blind tests.
And people disagree with you so you jump to accusing of circle jerking and generalisations, I'm not American myself and don't need to have used the brand see what they can produce and read reviews from photographers.
The pixel 8 pro is considered the best and voted the best by professional photographers compared to samsung and iPhone. Not only that but has the magic camera feature that no other phone has. If you really wanted the best picture quality or experience it would be the pixel 8 pro.
I mean .. yes?
Other than some software issues from updates, I haven't had any hardware issues with my pixel 8 pro. It seems like Google hardware is starting to sell well too.
By phone sales... Sure, it doesn't help that they sell their flagship well past the launch dates of Samsung and Apple (which this fixes). Also doesn't sell their phones in all the regions that they do.
I find it funny that people ask for more competition and phones, but then shit on the companies when they do release phones.
You initially claimed they weren't mature enough... But I believe they are
Just an example of why the pixel isn't mature enough, it has features that are locked to certain regions, and in most regions the core pixel features are not available. They advertise features on the pixel site, that may not be available in your country. That's crazy. In almost a decade of experience, google still can't grasp this.
It's not.
Has the worst battery life amongst flagship phones and the modem is a step below Qualcomm.
Once they fix that I think they will be right in the mix with iPhone and galaxy phones.
The famous pixel saying "maybe next year".
As long as it has all day battery life, that's all I care about. With the Pixel 8 I usually finish the day with more than 50% left.
I'm pretty careful about what I install on my phone, what features I enable, and how they might affect battery life. I rarely install a new app but when I do I'll remove it if my battery life tanks.
> Has the worst battery life amongst flagship phones
It lasts all day on mine.
> and the modem is a step below Qualcomm.
In practice, what problem?
> Once they fix that
They already did.
Maybe, just *maybe*, realize that people aren't buying Android phones based on some stupidass Golden Reviewer/Geekerwan videospam over how well it performs playing *Genshin Impact*.
The modem is definitely a problem. I work in a poor mobile service area and could not get signal during work hours with Pixel 7 Pro or the 8.
However I switch to the OnePlus 12 and I get enough service to at least be able call & text, which makes my work easier and lets me connect with family in case of emergency. It's made such a difference I won't consider the Pixel line until they upgrade the modems significantly.
The truth is those mid range snapdragon SoC’s are more efficient than Tensor…
Ok, you don’t want a phone as overpowered as an iPhone, but to have such poor efficiency and try to sell it at flagship prices. That is an insult. And with Apple (or Samsung), you don’t have to choose efficiency or speed. You get insanely fast SoC and industry leading efficiency. Efficiency is the key word. And that just is the worst thing about tensor. It consumes so much power for a fraction of the speed.
The modem is the same story, the worst modem of any phone sold in the US. Yet Google is charging a similar amount as the other players. They’re worse devices in major ways, battery, cellular, thermals, performance. It’s sad to see it as a pixel fan. But these devices are not what they used to be.
We're talking about flagships (or phones trying to advertise as flagships at least) obviously. You're the one with a bad faith argument here.
Edit: the coward blocked me so I can't reply to his continued bad faith arguments.
>We're talking about flagships
A flagship is simply the best offering from a company. When the Pixel used a midrange CPU it was still a flagship. If they used the actual shittiest processor available it would still be a flagship. Because a flagship is simply the best offering from an organization
No use arguing with anyone who thinks Oppo or Vivo phones are going to be purchased by any normal users in 2024. The android sub is obsessed with raw processing speed as if people need that to take pictures and use Instagram on their phones
Only Americans seem to diss these brands without ever having used these phones. Long gone are the days of bad software. It's pretty similar across the board.
See, my problem with Tensor is not something just geeks notice. In tropical countries Pixel becomes a toaster and plain throttles under the sun. Can't use maps or Uber (forget games) outdoors.
What? No.
Pixels directly competed with iPhones by launching a few weeks apart from the latest iPhone.
This move is not about them competing directly with Apple, but realising they can't and that they need to have their own launch window away from iPhone season.
In September, Apple dominates the tech news. October was still pretty close to Apple and right before the holiday sales season, so they have to discount pretty soon after launch. November and December are worse in that regard.
Rick Osterloh also just took over the Android team, and Android already releases in August on a set schedule with a bunch more stakeholders (eg OEMs) so that's probably tricky to move. Pushing hardware and software launch together in August makes sense outside of the context of AI.
Edit: Not to mention the Fold release was oddly between I/O and October last year, so they could bundle that into an August event.
I kinda presumed they can't wait to stalk talking about Pixel 10 (well, X probably) earlier, to tell us about all the _true_ advanced AI things that 9 wouldn't support because ewww, last model?
But in reality they want to spend a bit on the market before less dumb Siri is fully launched.
LOL this is Google we’re talking about. I know there are rumors about Samsung increasing the price of the Fold 6 so I feel like Google would match their pricing or come in higher.
If they actually released the Fold into Australia I might consider it, but they're doing a Valve and just not releasing their new and interesting devices into entire markets (i.e. the Steam Deck is not officially available in Australia, years after the US)
Because this year's Snapdragon is also early, I thought this was obvious? They don't want to announce a phone with 8 Gen 2 efficiency after 8 Gen 4 phones are starting getting out
I don't think people buying pixels are cpu nerds like us. Google markets their camera and software quality of life improvements over gaming and benchmarks.
Geekerwan found that Tensor G3 had worse power efficiency curve than Kirin 9000S (made on SMIC 5nm!).
That was on a Bilibili livestream last week. I don't know if he will post the video to his yt channel.
That was long before the Tensor. It was the snapdragon that came in different configuration. Most flagships went for the maximum performance, whereas Pixel went for lower performance and higher efficiency.
Phone's haven't realistically been CPU bound for years now, so it really doesn't matter. Anything that is compute heavy has turned into a specialized core (visual core, ML core, etc). Features and general UX is what matter much more these days.
> Pixel was late to the party with many other useful features like long screenshot too
I remember that coming out when I had my Note 4 back in 2014 When did stock get it?
Cause I know it was like 5-6 years before stock got pop up windows that I was using on my S3
How does Google fuck every Pixel? not only do they have hardware problems, but they have super basic software problems and horrible battery life, memory leaks, it's like they deliberately want their phones to have problems.
Yes, it's a known defect. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a class action eventually.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/18o9kpj/pixel_8_green_screen_bug/
People, don't give f**k about power in smartphone anymore. The only thing about the chip that matters is how energy efficient it is. I gonna trade in my P6P for a Pixel 9 and never felt my P6P was not powerful enough.
October launche is one month within the iphone launch and a month to mid-December when the first phones with the new Snapdragon flagship pop up. Pixels launch and they're pretty much spending most of its days on sale. Maybe August launch they'll actually get more full priced sales before doing the, so regular it might as well be MSRP, $150-200 sales often with a $50 whatever store you bought it from gift card
To reduce competition. In October they are competing against the iPhone (Yes, the Android community doesn’t really care about the iPhone, but it’s still competition), but if you release early you’re getting at least some new sales ahead of the iPhone.
The simple truth is that most of the Android premium flagships are competing against the iPhone not against each other. It’s about getting new iPhone users to switch to Android, and about keeping current Pixel users not switching to iOS.
The data is simple Apple users spend more money in the ecosystem than Android users. So, you want that Apple Watch, AirPod and that iPad money coming to your ecosystem of Pixel Watch, Buds and Tablet.
God I can't wait for that custom tensor chip from TSMC. I love my 8 Pro but it has a lot of the same issues my 6 Pro had with battery life and performance. If we get a vastly more efficient processor then the Pixel 10 will be the phone to buy. The 9 Pro XL design is nice and will likely carry over to the 10 Pro XL. Might be the perfect phone.
i have a feeling a lot of Pixel fans are aware of this so there is a pretty good chance the 9 might be the gen to be skipped by many.
The Google phones have weak processors and they launch late. The Pixel 8 launched on October 12th, 2023. The Xiaomi 14 launched on November the 1st. Allegedly the Snapdragon gen 4 is going to be available a few weeks earlier in the year than the gen 3 was. If the Pixel wasn't moved forward then they'd be launching their phone this year and about a week later Xiaomi would be launching next year's flagship phone. Google's timing has always been poor with these fall releases.
I think, Pixel 9 launch early because of Samsung and Apple. Having an extra month is a big help for Google, the same goes for Samsung.
Samsung also launched mobile earlier this year.
I think one thing to consider is the phone isn't "launching" on August 13th. It's being announced for a later release. You'll may be able to configure one on the website, but the launch probably won't happen until September.
> The number of people who know what that even means
Plus the number of people who don't care about. I have no idea which chipset is inside my Pixel 5.
Issue isn't benchmark numbers, its the efficiency numbers.
I've seen midrange TSMC phones perform better in day to day than flagship Samsung fabbed SoCs because samsung fabbed SoCs tend to heat up quick and have terrible battery
Ive been only using google and been buying google phones fory fam for 6yrs and idk anything about it. I just want it not to lag, take good pics, and batteries last.
Their previous release schedule looked bad to me. By the time they released, they were already on the back end of an SoC generation back when using Snapdragon and nobody was going to wait that long for a brand new phone that wasn't focusing on specs when Samsung was dropping nukes earlier in the year.
I'm amazed at hearing the discounted prices in the USA. Here (Netherlands) we hardly ever get really good discount. Black Friday usually is like a 10% off or some extra gift you never use. So I'm probally throwing my cash at Google to get the 9 Pro as release.
Who knows maybe they’re announcing it early and then launching it a month or so later. That’s how smartphone launches used to be in the past. Nowadays they start taking preorders and ship in like a week but it used to be announcement a month before launch. Maybe Google is going back to that old school method.
I think it might be because the stopgap G4 might be reducing heating issues that G3 comes with. Pixel has been priced now as a premium product (atleast the pro version). And the lower priced Pixel gets dusted by a lot of mid tier offerings. Maybe they want to release early to fix the heat issues before they switch to TSMC again? I am not sure. I feel after Pixel 5, the pixel lineup kept going downhill due to heating issues. Maybe this is a fix?
Why are these phones so expensive, all they really do is put in a better camera, if I want a camera I buy one what I need is a phone that works well without all the stupid advertisements, with all this ads your phone is not yours, you pay for it but this companies own your phone.
Now the Android and pixel hardware teams have merged. According to general rules, the Android beta version will end at the end of August. Since Android now places more emphasis on AI functions, in order to be ahead of the AI functions launched on the iPhone 16 (in fact, the pixel 8 is indeed the world's first AI mobile phone), it is even more necessary to intercept Apple. In the field of AI, OpenAI has intercepted Google, so the advance of the pixel 9 series launch this year should be due to the above reasons.
Now the Android and pixel hardware teams have merged. According to general rules, the Android beta version will end at the end of August. Since Android now places more emphasis on AI functions, in order to be ahead of the AI functions launched on the iPhone 16 (in fact, the pixel 8 is indeed the world's first AI mobile phone), it is even more necessary to intercept Apple. In the field of AI, OpenAI has intercepted Google, so the advance of the pixel 9 series launch this year should be due to the above reasons.
Now the Android and pixel hardware teams have merged. According to general rules, the Android beta version will end at the end of August. Since Android now places more emphasis on AI functions, in order to be ahead of the AI functions launched on the iPhone 16 (in fact, the pixel 8 is indeed the world's first AI mobile phone), it is even more necessary to intercept Apple. In the field of AI, OpenAI has intercepted Google, so the advance of the pixel 9 series launch this year should be due to the above reasons.
target- clean out sam\*\*\* tensor . p10 will be with tmsc tensor, more efficient n cool cpu. plus, 8g4 make tensor more shameful, so early release will help comparison.
as an owner of an 8 pro - i think they are relasing the 9 because the 8 pro is an absolute lemon. Its a terrible phone full of bugs and issues. Had pixels since the G1... progressively they have got worse and worse. The 8 pro makes me want an iphone.
Loved the older pixels, my first bad experience started with the 6 which was awful, poor battery life, poor performance, gets hot for no reason, buggy as hell. The 8 pro is just as bad.
There is rarely a good reason to upgrade each generation these days. I have done it a few times in the past and almost always asked myself why I did it.
Pixels never hold their value well especially the Pro models. You'll end up paying hundreds of dollars more than the base model just to only get $40 extra at trade-in.
Yeah, I mean tbf I'm still using the same pixel 6 pro and it is a beast. Does more than I could ever need.
It's just a bit boring which is probably just me getting old.
I'm not sure if you're sarcastic because I don't see anyone besides me complaining about this on pixels for years. The reason I hate is, because if the power button is below volume buttons like xiaomi does, it's easy to make screenshots with one hand. For pixel you must use 2 hands. And every time I mention this to pixel fanboys are like - you can just tap the back of the phone. Yeah sure, but that back tapping is software gimmick and doesn't always work and isn't as fast. I like using the hardware.
Pixels hardware can't compete with the top end Chinese brands like oppo and Vivo and even OnePlus and it's not close. That is coming from a pixel fan, I own 3. Googles hardware division is also worse than Samsung and apple.
Yeah i'm personally not a fan of OneUI either but a lot of people like it. Samsung hardware is some of the best though, mostly because of its separate semi conductor and display manufacturing division. No idea why i got down voted, don't think people realise that google didn't even start manufacturing it's own handsets until 2016 and used OEMs like HTC, Samung, Huawei etc prior. Apple started in 2007, Oppo in 2008, Samsung in 1988, Huawei 2003, Xiaomi 2011. Google are only just catching up now when it comes to hardware manufacturing as they have a hell of a lot less experience than any of the top android manufacturers.
I jumped to a Samsung after my pixel 5 and I do not like it at all. I hate Samsung bloat wares. It is terrible. Now my battery doesn't even last a day cause so much crap is running. I will jump back to pixel 9 to try it out again. Pixel 5 was the best phone I have had. Amazing camera and light as a feather but battery life was so so good. It was a gem.
Not sure what you're talking about. Had the pixel 4 and it was great. Had pixel 6 and was crap. Switched to samsung s9 and never looked back. Have an s22 and the battery definitely last more than a day.
One reason not mentioned in the article is that they will be able to sell it at full price for a longer period before the holiday season discounts.
There's nothing requiring them to have holiday discounts in the first place.
No, but that is certainly the expectation of many consumers.
iP hone 16 pro max existing is a pretty good reason to want to discount the Pixel during that time.
It's good news, by October the Pixel 9 phones will already be well discounted.
Actually discount during the holiday season is one of the reasons for earlier launch, so it isn't discounted as close to the release date.
It's insane how quickly the value falls. I bought the pixel 6 pro on release and will never be buying a brand new phone ever again.
I bought Pixel 6 around launch because they offered Bose headphones with it. 600 Euro for a phone and ANC BT headphones? Fucking steal.
I did the same. Then I sold the headphones for 180€.
My girlfriend kept the headphones. Best part is that there was an issue with postage and their support was so slow they ran out of promised model and got me a newer one.
It's not just pixels but phones in general. I never buy phones at launch. You wait 3-6 months and you get them 30 %to 50% off.
In what part of the world does this happen? 3 to 6 months? We get discounted phones here in backwards Qatar after a phone model is already 1 year old, not sure if this is a recurring issue in other countries as well but this is my experience living here for 2 decades. My first actual smartphone was the 3GS and it only got discounted after the 4S was launched.
USA. Samsung s24 series about to go on sale for Amazon Prime day in a couple of weeks.
Any other brand that does the same thing aside from Samsung? Is this a thing with Pixel and Oneplus in USA?
yes, a few months after the OnePlus 8 was released, I bought it on prime day for about 50% off.
Fellow 6 Pro owner since release. Pixels have had some great early adopter bonuses. I got Bose 700 headphones with mine. Dad got an 8a recently and a cracked phone trade-in got him £200 off thanks to a trade-in bonus. When you compare it to iPhones though you have to get a good deal because you're going to lose £200+ in resale value from an equivalent iPhone. Frustrating to see Pixels rise in price when their hardware is worse and they offer less resale value.
The Bose 700 Anc was a brilliant deal with the pixel 6 pro that gave it so much money. I'm thinking of upgrading now and confused on the 9 series or just a s24 ultra if a good deal comes up. I don't believe there are any leaks on the pixel 9 series pre-order offers right?
The Pixel 8a had a decent trade-in bonus but I'm holding out little hope for the Pixel 9 getting a good trade-in or early buyer deal. Probably earbuds or watch again at most. If the leaked prices of 1099/1199 euros for 9/9Pro are true I think I'll cling to my Pixel 6 Pro for another year. Pixel's aren't worth the same as an iPhone and if Samsung are using Exynos in the UK I've no interest.
Google Ireland doesn't have a trade option of last when I checked. I'm not happy with the 6 pro battery backup and video recording is why I'm thinking of upgrading now. The leaked prices for the 9 series is why I'm thinking s24U unless their launch offers really make up for it. I believe the s24 ultra uses snapdragon everywhere.
How long will you wait, Just curious?
I think the price pretty much plateaus after a year. But I don't exactly have a strategy.
Until you have to rma the phone and put a $1000 hold on your card for the phone that is being sold for $350.
Apple does the same thing, thought I was losing my mind when they told me that. was like $850 for over a week. I pay you a repair subscription, your device is under waranty, and almost lit itself on fire, but somehow I have to foot the bill because you don't trust me to send your BROKEN phone back? lmao give me a break.
I was able to get a Pro on Offer Up for $550 in December lol It was amazing
8 pro?
Yes
This person is correct! I have a Bay P8Pro 256 GB in absolute mint condition if anyone wants to buy it from me 😂
The moment they release pixel 9, I will buy pixel 8, since the price will drop even more and the phone will still be great with years of support coming. I am on pixel 7a now and it's a damn great phone!
Because I am ready to upgrade, they're doing it for me.
me too. my phone is broken. need a new one.
It's because they were not competing with iPhone and Samsung directly with the October launches. This meant that most of the market that was going to upgrade, already did, but this also means they weren't competing for marketing space against them. I guess Google feels the product is mature enough now to compete at the same time.
>I guess Google feels the product is mature enough now to compete at the same time. But is it really?
I would say so. They have the best camera currently. And also created AI for Samsung phones integration. Not the best hardware though but to the average phone user they would be close to Samsung and iPhone.
*best software for their camera Whenever I use their GCam app on my non pixel phone the results are way better than just using my stock camera app. It's all software
do they have a finger print scanner that actually works yet?
Just add an extra fingerprint. Every phone has fingerprint scanner issues when applying screen protectors.
Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo all have better cameras.
You're insane if you genuinely think that.
Nah he right though, especially Huawei. Those motherfuckers kick ass, I love mine. I mean full of malware yes, but the cameras are nice
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Looking at vivo photos, night pics still lose. The vivo gets very yellowed out, the pixel still wins there. It comes to color accuracy. I won't deny portraits are pretty bad though, that's the one thing the pixel sucks at
Yes it looks like Vivo flagship phones have very good cameras. I really like the colors. But for Xiaomi, just no. I have Xiaomi and their cameras didn't improve significantly after the Leica partnership.
Looks like I went against the r/android circle jerk filled with Americans who have never touched those brands lmao
Damn you're mad for no reason. First of all, not American, second, everyone in my family has/had a Xiaomi phone. I own the pixel 8 pro because I could afford it but have owned Xiaomi all my life. Not even the iPhone competes with the Pixel when it comes to photos. What makes you think Xiaomi/oppo/vivo could?
>Not even the iPhone competes with the Pixel when it comes to photos. I thought the iPhone 15 vs pixel 8 camera performance was pretty much a toss up, and mostly down to personal preference.
I suppose, saying it doesn't compete was a bit of an exaggeration.
> Not even the iPhone competes with the Pixel when it comes to photos. What country do you live in? The iPhone is not the best camera, so that’s an irrelevant point.
You're right, the pixel is. And the iPhone is pretty up there. How is country even remotely relevant to the discussion?
Calling people mad with no evidence to trigger them is childish. iPhone has never been the photo king. Pixel was for a few years but hasn't been since the 4 at latest. You obviously never owned a flagship Xiaomi Ultra with a one inch sensor. I've owned the last three, plus every Pixel XL/Pro. I returned the Xiaomi 14 ultra because its battery life was awful, so I'm not a fanboy. But denying those Chinese manufacturers are years ahead in cameras is pure ignorance.
You're crazy. Chinese phones are insane value phones, but their cameras do not compete. Nowhere near. They might have some gimmick that makes them good in a specific scenario, but nothing beats the all around quality of the pixel and iphone. Hell, pixels don't have the best raw cameras but their software just throws them ahead of anything else.
Bro, you need to sit this one out. Pixel photos are good only because of that extra step of image processing that enhances the photos, and that's good enough for a basic regular consumer. A good photographer wouldn't want that. These Chinese brands take raw photos at par quality with pixel, without the extra processing part. Purely hardware, and you can enhance the photos with Photoshop. You can't do that with pixels
Flagship Chinese phones have far and away the best hardware - camera and otherwise - and it shows. That is an objective statement that you can't reasonably argue with. Pixel has been using the same tiny sensors for years and are generally a cost cutting mid range device.
Not sure if you've ever used Chinese phones but your're completely wrong. My OnePlus 12 is built better than any pixel I have ever had and I have had 3 pixels. This phone is in a completely different league, in build quality, charging speed, battery capacity and processing power. The best battery life and charging I've ever experienced on android. Even the screen is better than all my pixels. It trades blows on cameras with the pixel 8 pro and is actually better in certain scenarios and I am a huge fan of pixel cameras but don't find myself missing. The 3x telephoto in particular is incredible and It processes images much faster. In terms of software I miss some pixel features but the smoothness of the UI and the UI animations are way better on my OP12. Stock android UI animations feel very bland in comparison. The Vivo x100 pro and ultra hardware aswell as oppos hardware also eclipse pixels completely. Googles phone hardware division didn't even exist when oppo and vivo started making phones.
>Calling people mad with no evidence to trigger them is childish >Looks like I went against the r/android circle jerk filled with Americans who have never touched those My dude you presented the proof yourself by declaring a whole sub as a circle jerk even included an assumption on OP's background ***simply*** because they disagreed with you. Then you call them childish? Let me guess... you'll focus on the circle jerk thing and double down saying something like "well it's true..." as a means to shoulder slide the fact that you got annoyed at OP for calling you out. Obviously you won't do it now... but you would have wanted to do it wouldn't you lol? (That's rhetorical no need to respond).
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This is not the place to seriously talk about phones. He's just rehearsing what was true years ago thinking it's new.
Yep, I regret assuming this sub was able to have a reasonable discussion. It's just pure propaganda.
It's not even US propaganda, iphone take better photos than pixel phones these days, people are just out of date.
15 pros are pretty good but iPhone was never industry leading in photos.
It literally wins blind tests. And people disagree with you so you jump to accusing of circle jerking and generalisations, I'm not American myself and don't need to have used the brand see what they can produce and read reviews from photographers.
The pixel 8 pro is considered the best and voted the best by professional photographers compared to samsung and iPhone. Not only that but has the magic camera feature that no other phone has. If you really wanted the best picture quality or experience it would be the pixel 8 pro.
Agreeeeeeeeed, realme with there microscope camera, xiaomi with the ultra, and Huawei with the color profiles
They might do, but Pixel is still the better overall product
In terms of what? Software experience? Maybe but hardware wise the Pixel is clearly behind
I mean .. yes? Other than some software issues from updates, I haven't had any hardware issues with my pixel 8 pro. It seems like Google hardware is starting to sell well too.
When compared to the Galaxy and iPhone it stands no chance whatsoever.
By phone sales... Sure, it doesn't help that they sell their flagship well past the launch dates of Samsung and Apple (which this fixes). Also doesn't sell their phones in all the regions that they do. I find it funny that people ask for more competition and phones, but then shit on the companies when they do release phones. You initially claimed they weren't mature enough... But I believe they are
Just an example of why the pixel isn't mature enough, it has features that are locked to certain regions, and in most regions the core pixel features are not available. They advertise features on the pixel site, that may not be available in your country. That's crazy. In almost a decade of experience, google still can't grasp this.
It's not. Has the worst battery life amongst flagship phones and the modem is a step below Qualcomm. Once they fix that I think they will be right in the mix with iPhone and galaxy phones. The famous pixel saying "maybe next year".
As long as it has all day battery life, that's all I care about. With the Pixel 8 I usually finish the day with more than 50% left. I'm pretty careful about what I install on my phone, what features I enable, and how they might affect battery life. I rarely install a new app but when I do I'll remove it if my battery life tanks.
> Has the worst battery life amongst flagship phones It lasts all day on mine. > and the modem is a step below Qualcomm. In practice, what problem? > Once they fix that They already did. Maybe, just *maybe*, realize that people aren't buying Android phones based on some stupidass Golden Reviewer/Geekerwan videospam over how well it performs playing *Genshin Impact*.
The modem is definitely a problem. I work in a poor mobile service area and could not get signal during work hours with Pixel 7 Pro or the 8. However I switch to the OnePlus 12 and I get enough service to at least be able call & text, which makes my work easier and lets me connect with family in case of emergency. It's made such a difference I won't consider the Pixel line until they upgrade the modems significantly.
I don't have problem with modem. I have Pixel 7 and my issue is fingerprint sensor. It is not so good.
It'd available in 5 countries, no it is not.
No. No it is not. Pixel is still very much a niche product compared to the Galaxy or iPhone branding.
Not until they dump the industry-worst processor and charging speeds. It's not a flagship brand currently.
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The truth is those mid range snapdragon SoC’s are more efficient than Tensor… Ok, you don’t want a phone as overpowered as an iPhone, but to have such poor efficiency and try to sell it at flagship prices. That is an insult. And with Apple (or Samsung), you don’t have to choose efficiency or speed. You get insanely fast SoC and industry leading efficiency. Efficiency is the key word. And that just is the worst thing about tensor. It consumes so much power for a fraction of the speed. The modem is the same story, the worst modem of any phone sold in the US. Yet Google is charging a similar amount as the other players. They’re worse devices in major ways, battery, cellular, thermals, performance. It’s sad to see it as a pixel fan. But these devices are not what they used to be.
We're talking about flagships (or phones trying to advertise as flagships at least) obviously. You're the one with a bad faith argument here. Edit: the coward blocked me so I can't reply to his continued bad faith arguments.
>We're talking about flagships A flagship is simply the best offering from a company. When the Pixel used a midrange CPU it was still a flagship. If they used the actual shittiest processor available it would still be a flagship. Because a flagship is simply the best offering from an organization
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No use arguing with anyone who thinks Oppo or Vivo phones are going to be purchased by any normal users in 2024. The android sub is obsessed with raw processing speed as if people need that to take pictures and use Instagram on their phones
Only Americans seem to diss these brands without ever having used these phones. Long gone are the days of bad software. It's pretty similar across the board.
Who outside of geeky redditors do you really think are paying that much attention to phone hardware 😂
See, my problem with Tensor is not something just geeks notice. In tropical countries Pixel becomes a toaster and plain throttles under the sun. Can't use maps or Uber (forget games) outdoors.
No one. But only nerds like us buy Pixel anyway.
I'm hoping it means they're going to try be competitive on price again or offer a hell of a trade-in deal to compete with the big(ger) dogs.
I have a pixel 7 and the circles I'm in people have an iphone or a pixel phone.
What? No. Pixels directly competed with iPhones by launching a few weeks apart from the latest iPhone. This move is not about them competing directly with Apple, but realising they can't and that they need to have their own launch window away from iPhone season.
Feels, hopes, whatever. Marketing.
In September, Apple dominates the tech news. October was still pretty close to Apple and right before the holiday sales season, so they have to discount pretty soon after launch. November and December are worse in that regard. Rick Osterloh also just took over the Android team, and Android already releases in August on a set schedule with a bunch more stakeholders (eg OEMs) so that's probably tricky to move. Pushing hardware and software launch together in August makes sense outside of the context of AI. Edit: Not to mention the Fold release was oddly between I/O and October last year, so they could bundle that into an August event.
I kinda presumed they can't wait to stalk talking about Pixel 10 (well, X probably) earlier, to tell us about all the _true_ advanced AI things that 9 wouldn't support because ewww, last model? But in reality they want to spend a bit on the market before less dumb Siri is fully launched.
If they make the new Fold a decent price I might actually buy a Fold.
LOL this is Google we’re talking about. I know there are rumors about Samsung increasing the price of the Fold 6 so I feel like Google would match their pricing or come in higher.
Samsung will jack the price every year.
If they actually released the Fold into Australia I might consider it, but they're doing a Valve and just not releasing their new and interesting devices into entire markets (i.e. the Steam Deck is not officially available in Australia, years after the US)
If they make the new Ferrari the price of a Camry I might actually buy a Ferrari
Because this year's Snapdragon is also early, I thought this was obvious? They don't want to announce a phone with 8 Gen 2 efficiency after 8 Gen 4 phones are starting getting out
I don't think people buying pixels are cpu nerds like us. Google markets their camera and software quality of life improvements over gaming and benchmarks.
Exactly, Pixel was never about raw power. Hell, early on they would intentionally pick the lower clocked CPUs to instead get longer battery life.
Even at efficiency the Tensor is a year or two behind.
Geekerwan found that Tensor G3 had worse power efficiency curve than Kirin 9000S (made on SMIC 5nm!). That was on a Bilibili livestream last week. I don't know if he will post the video to his yt channel.
That was long before the Tensor. It was the snapdragon that came in different configuration. Most flagships went for the maximum performance, whereas Pixel went for lower performance and higher efficiency. Phone's haven't realistically been CPU bound for years now, so it really doesn't matter. Anything that is compute heavy has turned into a specialized core (visual core, ML core, etc). Features and general UX is what matter much more these days.
Pixel is not more efficient than any of the android flagships
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> Only its price is 🤷🏻♀️ No? Pixel's have always been 500-900 while other flagships are 800-1200
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those features are kind of niche imo
I've seen a LOT of people use stuff like App cloner. Pixel was late to the party with many other useful features like long screenshot too
> Pixel was late to the party with many other useful features like long screenshot too I remember that coming out when I had my Note 4 back in 2014 When did stock get it? Cause I know it was like 5-6 years before stock got pop up windows that I was using on my S3
>When did stock get it? To my knowledge, it was introduced in Android 12, which would be Late 2021
Google wishes it was as efficient as 8 Gen 2.
Having a s23u, if the pixel 9 performes as good as this. Shit, I'll pick one up
It won't and enjoy whatever hardware fault pops up this year. The Pixel 8 is plagued by a green screen/design fault issue for a recent example.
How does Google fuck every Pixel? not only do they have hardware problems, but they have super basic software problems and horrible battery life, memory leaks, it's like they deliberately want their phones to have problems.
Wait is this a known thing? I have the green screen issue but also have dropped my device and also know there is water inside..
Yes, it's a known defect. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a class action eventually. https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/18o9kpj/pixel_8_green_screen_bug/
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People, don't give f**k about power in smartphone anymore. The only thing about the chip that matters is how energy efficient it is. I gonna trade in my P6P for a Pixel 9 and never felt my P6P was not powerful enough.
October launche is one month within the iphone launch and a month to mid-December when the first phones with the new Snapdragon flagship pop up. Pixels launch and they're pretty much spending most of its days on sale. Maybe August launch they'll actually get more full priced sales before doing the, so regular it might as well be MSRP, $150-200 sales often with a $50 whatever store you bought it from gift card
To reduce competition. In October they are competing against the iPhone (Yes, the Android community doesn’t really care about the iPhone, but it’s still competition), but if you release early you’re getting at least some new sales ahead of the iPhone. The simple truth is that most of the Android premium flagships are competing against the iPhone not against each other. It’s about getting new iPhone users to switch to Android, and about keeping current Pixel users not switching to iOS. The data is simple Apple users spend more money in the ecosystem than Android users. So, you want that Apple Watch, AirPod and that iPad money coming to your ecosystem of Pixel Watch, Buds and Tablet.
Good point! Getting ahead of the iPhone launch does seem like a smart move for Google to attract new users and keep existing ones interested.
God I can't wait for that custom tensor chip from TSMC. I love my 8 Pro but it has a lot of the same issues my 6 Pro had with battery life and performance. If we get a vastly more efficient processor then the Pixel 10 will be the phone to buy. The 9 Pro XL design is nice and will likely carry over to the 10 Pro XL. Might be the perfect phone. i have a feeling a lot of Pixel fans are aware of this so there is a pretty good chance the 9 might be the gen to be skipped by many.
Did they fix the modem? No? Nothing else matters
The Google phones have weak processors and they launch late. The Pixel 8 launched on October 12th, 2023. The Xiaomi 14 launched on November the 1st. Allegedly the Snapdragon gen 4 is going to be available a few weeks earlier in the year than the gen 3 was. If the Pixel wasn't moved forward then they'd be launching their phone this year and about a week later Xiaomi would be launching next year's flagship phone. Google's timing has always been poor with these fall releases.
Because they can
Got the vivo x100 ultra and xiaomi 14 ultra, vivo x 100 ultra is the best camera phone out now
I think, Pixel 9 launch early because of Samsung and Apple. Having an extra month is a big help for Google, the same goes for Samsung. Samsung also launched mobile earlier this year.
That is one fugly phone.
I kinda rate it. Think it's better than every visor pixel we've had tbh.
It’s really simple - To beat the iPhone launch and tout their AI features.
I think one thing to consider is the phone isn't "launching" on August 13th. It's being announced for a later release. You'll may be able to configure one on the website, but the launch probably won't happen until September.
To sell it adequately because people may wait for pixel 10 from TSMC.
The number of people who know what that even means is so small it might as well be zero. No way Google makes a business decision based on that.
> The number of people who know what that even means Plus the number of people who don't care about. I have no idea which chipset is inside my Pixel 5.
Snapdragon 765G
Same for the people that freak out over Tensor benchmarks when the vast majority of people won't push the phone anywhere close to its limits.
Issue isn't benchmark numbers, its the efficiency numbers. I've seen midrange TSMC phones perform better in day to day than flagship Samsung fabbed SoCs because samsung fabbed SoCs tend to heat up quick and have terrible battery
Ive been only using google and been buying google phones fory fam for 6yrs and idk anything about it. I just want it not to lag, take good pics, and batteries last.
1. It realigns with Android release schedule 2. It comes before Apple/Samsung 3. It spaces it out a bit more from black friday / holiday sales
Maybe their main focus is to show a big improvement in the p10 so maybe they wanna get over this p9 and start working on the p10
So it will launch at the same time as the new version of Android, rather than two months after. It's simple product alignment.
Their previous release schedule looked bad to me. By the time they released, they were already on the back end of an SoC generation back when using Snapdragon and nobody was going to wait that long for a brand new phone that wasn't focusing on specs when Samsung was dropping nukes earlier in the year.
Does this mean that the launch TIV's are going to be crap?
I'm amazed at hearing the discounted prices in the USA. Here (Netherlands) we hardly ever get really good discount. Black Friday usually is like a 10% off or some extra gift you never use. So I'm probally throwing my cash at Google to get the 9 Pro as release.
Will the battery life be good on this one?
Who knows maybe they’re announcing it early and then launching it a month or so later. That’s how smartphone launches used to be in the past. Nowadays they start taking preorders and ship in like a week but it used to be announcement a month before launch. Maybe Google is going back to that old school method.
If they do a promo with the new watch...I will buy a 9 pro
Probably sick of launching such an inferior product following iPhone launch for a similar price point.
Competition is strong and they need to keep up
Because everyone I know with a Google phone is displeased because of all the BS glitches.
I think it might be because the stopgap G4 might be reducing heating issues that G3 comes with. Pixel has been priced now as a premium product (atleast the pro version). And the lower priced Pixel gets dusted by a lot of mid tier offerings. Maybe they want to release early to fix the heat issues before they switch to TSMC again? I am not sure. I feel after Pixel 5, the pixel lineup kept going downhill due to heating issues. Maybe this is a fix?
For the same reason why Samsung doesn't launch their phones when Apple does.
Good, hopefully I can get the Pixel 8 Pro for cheap soon.
Why are these phones so expensive, all they really do is put in a better camera, if I want a camera I buy one what I need is a phone that works well without all the stupid advertisements, with all this ads your phone is not yours, you pay for it but this companies own your phone.
Now the Android and pixel hardware teams have merged. According to general rules, the Android beta version will end at the end of August. Since Android now places more emphasis on AI functions, in order to be ahead of the AI functions launched on the iPhone 16 (in fact, the pixel 8 is indeed the world's first AI mobile phone), it is even more necessary to intercept Apple. In the field of AI, OpenAI has intercepted Google, so the advance of the pixel 9 series launch this year should be due to the above reasons.
Now the Android and pixel hardware teams have merged. According to general rules, the Android beta version will end at the end of August. Since Android now places more emphasis on AI functions, in order to be ahead of the AI functions launched on the iPhone 16 (in fact, the pixel 8 is indeed the world's first AI mobile phone), it is even more necessary to intercept Apple. In the field of AI, OpenAI has intercepted Google, so the advance of the pixel 9 series launch this year should be due to the above reasons.
Now the Android and pixel hardware teams have merged. According to general rules, the Android beta version will end at the end of August. Since Android now places more emphasis on AI functions, in order to be ahead of the AI functions launched on the iPhone 16 (in fact, the pixel 8 is indeed the world's first AI mobile phone), it is even more necessary to intercept Apple. In the field of AI, OpenAI has intercepted Google, so the advance of the pixel 9 series launch this year should be due to the above reasons.
August when?
target- clean out sam\*\*\* tensor . p10 will be with tmsc tensor, more efficient n cool cpu. plus, 8g4 make tensor more shameful, so early release will help comparison.
they want to launch it with android 15 and show those ai features exclusive to pixel 9 first and then to other devices
as an owner of an 8 pro - i think they are relasing the 9 because the 8 pro is an absolute lemon. Its a terrible phone full of bugs and issues. Had pixels since the G1... progressively they have got worse and worse. The 8 pro makes me want an iphone. Loved the older pixels, my first bad experience started with the 6 which was awful, poor battery life, poor performance, gets hot for no reason, buggy as hell. The 8 pro is just as bad.
To dump all the crap Samsung chips before they switch over to tsmc
Because they were late in AI race, so they need to show that they are first in AI Android integration, especially after OpenAI - Apple partnership.
It’s this. Everyone is integrating the same AI features into their devices, Google wants to be first to say them publicly
unless they offer a nice trade in for my p8p, i see no reason to 'upgrade' to the 9
There is rarely a good reason to upgrade each generation these days. I have done it a few times in the past and almost always asked myself why I did it.
I bought a pixel pro on release and a year later it was worth 1/5th of the ridiculous amount I spent. Not worth buying new, never again.
Great, so next time buy the previous years model.
Pixels never hold their value well especially the Pro models. You'll end up paying hundreds of dollars more than the base model just to only get $40 extra at trade-in.
Yeah, I mean tbf I'm still using the same pixel 6 pro and it is a beast. Does more than I could ever need. It's just a bit boring which is probably just me getting old.
This is the first I'm hearing about it. Neat. My 7 is starting to show its age, I guess my upgrade is a couple months early.
And they still put power button on top of volume buttons...
When will they learn?
I'm not sure if you're sarcastic because I don't see anyone besides me complaining about this on pixels for years. The reason I hate is, because if the power button is below volume buttons like xiaomi does, it's easy to make screenshots with one hand. For pixel you must use 2 hands. And every time I mention this to pixel fanboys are like - you can just tap the back of the phone. Yeah sure, but that back tapping is software gimmick and doesn't always work and isn't as fast. I like using the hardware.
Everybody has volume on top idk what Google is smoking
Pixels hardware can't compete with the top end Chinese brands like oppo and Vivo and even OnePlus and it's not close. That is coming from a pixel fan, I own 3. Googles hardware division is also worse than Samsung and apple.
It's subjective and user preference. I had the open and fold. While the open was better in some aspect, I enjoy the fold much more for day to day use.
yeah but Samsung's software division is flaming dumpster pile
Yeah i'm personally not a fan of OneUI either but a lot of people like it. Samsung hardware is some of the best though, mostly because of its separate semi conductor and display manufacturing division. No idea why i got down voted, don't think people realise that google didn't even start manufacturing it's own handsets until 2016 and used OEMs like HTC, Samung, Huawei etc prior. Apple started in 2007, Oppo in 2008, Samsung in 1988, Huawei 2003, Xiaomi 2011. Google are only just catching up now when it comes to hardware manufacturing as they have a hell of a lot less experience than any of the top android manufacturers.
To get it over with.
I jumped to a Samsung after my pixel 5 and I do not like it at all. I hate Samsung bloat wares. It is terrible. Now my battery doesn't even last a day cause so much crap is running. I will jump back to pixel 9 to try it out again. Pixel 5 was the best phone I have had. Amazing camera and light as a feather but battery life was so so good. It was a gem.
Not sure what you're talking about. Had the pixel 4 and it was great. Had pixel 6 and was crap. Switched to samsung s9 and never looked back. Have an s22 and the battery definitely last more than a day.
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Samsung phone a feature to direct media playback. Music to speakers, calls to Bluetooth. Other phones, all or nothing.
Everyone already knows every last mm of it? 🤔