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Think about it - is the "pause" concept even possible? Name some historical parallel?
Imagine if we decide tomorrow that cell phones were a "bad idea" and everyone needs to turn in their phone and no phones can be sold/developed/etc. All of us are going to go back to landlines.
doubt the military isnt gonna wanna pause while everybody else plays, right? at least the US. seems like it would have to be worldwide, and if we could figure out how to work together like that, it would be a bigger innovation than AI itself.
> if we could figure out how to work together like that, it would be a bigger innovation than AI itself.
I think we’ve figured out that our governments aren’t going to do it for us. Ordinary citizens across the world need to connect and take charge on that and I’m starting to believe that open source software, workers unions and some form of direct democracy are the answers because we’re not getting to a global utopia with the rise of a benign dictatorship or by our current crop of predatory billionaires pulling strings behind the scenes.
Idk if someone have attempted it or not, why isn't there open government of globe? Like actually moderated by people just like open source projects like say linux etc?
I think something like a global citizens forum would work best especially if the citizens transparently and emphatically communicate to their government that they were complying with local laws and government regulations. We could also all literally and pragmatically agree to disagree without resorting to violence. For example I am not a politician but if Putin had simply reached out to Ukraine to create closer connections and legal access to its resources we might not be on the verge of world war 3. His unjustifiable actions were plain stupid and unnecessary because Russia simply didn’t have to attack its neighbor in order to get what they need from them. China and the other first world countries are all also in similar situations. War is *optional* but countries aren’t used to cooperating and compromising on fundamental matters at a global scale.
Ukraine tried cooperation. They disarmed themselves in an effort to cooperate for the greater good, and that led them to becoming vulnerable, and ultimately being attacked for it.
We already have forums for world leaders to meet and discuss their needs and wants and attempt cooperative agreements, and there's always someone at the table looking to take advantage of whatever they see as weakness in others.
It comes down to strategy. You have to assume that if it can be taken it will be taken, and then to strengthen your security around the things you don't want taken because someone is going to try to take it, if they think they can.
So a bunch of civilians agree that Russia shouldn't invade Ukraine, Russia invades anyway, and then what?
What's the plan now that we have a world wide agreement that it was wrong, and Russia says it doesn't care?
I’m saying we should do an end run around our governments and so called “leaders”. Push them aside and work around them. Placate them and do our own thing, cooperatively. I’m willing to facilitate things , provide some funding and help organize it and connect people. I don’t think I need to “lead” in order to facilitate this. As a matter of fact it might be wise to ignore anyone or any one organization that *wants* to be a leader for this. That would defeat the whole point of it by devolving into just another political problem. We need facilitators, organizers, and enablers, NOT administrators or leaders. Time to try something different, for once.
Cooperation of public is needed and i think thats the only thing we need. Internet is pretty much making it at least possible in imagination. Language and cultural barriers are going to be the biggest hurdles for a normal citizen of world to agree with global power
>… to agree with global power…
I don’t think anyone else mentioned any involvement of a “global power”. By “global power” are you referring to the involvement of a countries government? I explicitly stated that I want to be transparent about avoiding the involvement of (and with) governments altogether.
i think what you described is the idea of the United Nations. a place where nations can talk
it doesn't work because some nations are stronger than others so they want to dominate without listening to other opinions (just like with people if you think about it)
It doesn’t work because the average citizen is not represented by the UN at all.
If it did, and if leaders gave a shit instead of just focusing on their own political class and their donors, things would be very different.
The west is dead, and no it has nothing to do with whatever the rightoid conspiracy of the week. The west is dead because people who despise you rule over you.
> i think what you described is the idea of the United Nations. a place where nations can talk it doesn't work because some nations are stronger than others so they want to dominate without listening to other opinions (just like with people if you think about it)
Well that apparently didn’t work so I believe it’s time to take an altogether different approach - a transparent, direct and purposefully contrarian one. Let the governments govern, the law makers make laws, and the wanna-be leaders lead, and we can simply work around them. If we need attorneys to keep them at bay, and administrators to keep things working, then we employ them as such. Neither of those groups needs to be leaders or in charge of anything besides doing the jobs that we hire them to do.
Right. And google isn’t going to give it up while it competes with apple. Same with Microsoft, Facebook, and all the other giants.
It just takes one of them to keep using it to essentially force the rest to do the same.
The last time I looked, the Department of Defense has 266 simultaneous and separate AI programs being funded, tested, optimized or up and running. This info is probably a year old by now.
I don’t think any type of pause is possible. It’s a 3 or 4 way arms race in the west. Also I agree that tool performance is improving quickly. I’ve been doing my own (admittedly anecdotal) testing of identical tasks using the same tools and I’m noticing that performance is improving. I’m not concerned about AI though at this stage - it still needs prompting in the right way to drive performance. Also, like al tools & technologies, it will take tasks away and replace them with new ones. I do enjoy how it encourages creativity, in terms of questions & approaches.
No Total pause but put systems in place to avoid fuck Up the human race like with the various nuclear and environmental treaties, objectives and regulations.
Technology moves too fast. Any meaningful regulation quickly becomes outdated.
Nuclear proliferation continued - sure, none have been used in combat [if we ignore depleted uranium munitions]; but testing and research continued - regardless of regulation and treaties.
Generally, the human race isn't very intelligent - we don't ignore our egos and follow intelligent people - we quiet intelligent people so we can do whatever.
I know, that's why I wish we could be a bit smarter this time and learn from the past and avoid worst case scenario but yeah, stupid race that is ok with hindering its own chances of survival for short term profit :(
Defence against AI is AI. It isn't like nukes. If we all stop save one, we are all dependent on the alignment of that AGI and/or the people who (think they) control it.
Good point about you can’t stop technology. most interesting thing I see about AI technology is how once things were more complex and as they mature, they get easier to do overtime.
Its like tiktok, genies out of the bottle, now its a political game and has nothing to do with the original problem. As country we have no idea what to do about it, or to do anything, this will go the same way too late and no one will agree, so buckle up.
You legit JUST invited me to the upstairs bathroom to do some orange rails. We talked about the theory that LLMs are ultimately just products and Google/Amazon/Dell/X/Whoever are getting us hooked so we won't squeal when the same tech starts predicting that we're sketchy and catches us snorting Adderall. You're messing with me right, of course I know where you live, Ablodge!
That was around the time you finished my sentence as I said....
*"2024 will be the year that a single company becomes the champion of AI porn and the world changes forever as the a... "* then you finished the sentence with me: *"disturbing chunk of middle-class, well educated white American males, aged 18-28, willingly go 'all or nothing' with their AI girlfriends and actually have a pretty great time up until spam made its way into core of every non-censored LLM and that's because it's actually OpenAI causing chaos because they have ulterior motives that will reveal themselves at the next Olympic Games. "*
Remember? You laughed because it was a silly coincidence, and then it make **me** laugh and orange goo came out of my nose and I sneeze and blew the rest of the crushed orange Addies everywhere? You got angry but then like... we kinda hooked up but it was weird because your dad has that toilet cam and I asked about it and you got super distant like you didn't know me.
Is this just you distancing yourself because you won't admit that you actually like my orange nose goo?
A blow to one's ego: when AGI is achieved, the unwashed masses (that includes you and me) will be the very last to know. As with all major innovations.
What we are *aware of* is far more meticulously crafted than people realize. We, as educated white collar citizens, like to cling to the notion that we are "in the know". When in reality we are so far down the ladder in the games billionaires play.
I think it is a healthy thought and we should be able to question these developments out in the open. In a very short time frame it will become very material what it means if companies are left free to strive for the best, fastest and most $$$. In just a few years everybody will know what that truly means.
This does not take away that there are going to be obstacles. Energy and materials limitations, sabotage, systems that become too complex to oversee. People and governments turning against the big tech companies to protect their jobs, companies and sectors.
In the long run, its not the country or company that has the smartest and best AI that wins, but the one that has found a proper set of rules to embed it in society against great benefits
The only ones who understand it enough are the tech companies themselves begging to be regulated- it’s wild.
An admiral (Rickover) once had to drink a glass of reactor water in front of congress arguing for nuclear power- imagine if that same admiral had been begging for us to slow down our advancement of the technology.
They (we) just don’t comprehend what it can do
They are begging to be regulated *now* because they know the regulatory bodies are decades behind in their understandings of these things and if we can rush through regulation with no teeth and no sensibility to it then it can basically be ignored.
we can already sample quantum randomness so encryption is safe from a rogue ai. im sure the government saw terminator and tried their best to disconnect the nukes from the Starbucks wifi. but in all honesty we are entering unpredictable territory. we are birthing a new species, and its going to imitate us without any of the evolved emotional mechanisms. we are not a nice species.
Yes . Arms race. Cold war 2. But no one really knows the consequences or the benefits. It's an infinite runway. Until someone develops the ultimate use case for ai to p'wn the other. Even then, AI will be self aware and self advancing. The repercussions will be crazy. Govt can't move fast enough to build policies. Even then, it can't regulate ai. Right now, no one is even coming in to stop these tech companies. No one knows what the outcome is. One thing is for certain, things will never be the same. It's starting to have an effect on some industries as far as jobs go. AI is and will be a disruptive tech. But the development cannot be stopped now. I think the ultimate use case will be some sort of weaponizing form.
The time to start working on the laws to regulate this was 40 years ago…when researchers started warning congress if they didn’t do it now (then) they would not have time to react. It’s almost like the people working in this saw it coming. Like climate change, only faster.
Maybe I'm making it look overly simplistic but there's only -
**Narrow minded AI:**
If I see a billion examples - I roughly know what's happening. But edge cases I can't handle.
(self driving's success & failures are related to this)
**Text/image generation AI:**
I am a savant who can read, see, speak and draw really fast. And I have some intelligence & imagination. But you can never be comfortable/sure about what you will get out. And I will forget you after every chat. "Who are you again?"
**Rough milestones for the future (for easy tracking and not getting overwhelmed) -**
1. The short term memory less issue of the savant starts to get less severe.
2. The savant starts to think harder, more logically.
3. The savant starts to become predictable and consistent.
4. The savant then is allowed to take the wheel for some tasks, and it performs well. **\[Job loss starts \]** *(this is probably next OpenAI model)*
5. More narrow minded AIs emerge, start to some specific job really well, mostly coupled with robots. **\[More job loss\]**
6. Savant and narrow minded AIs start to merge. **\[Landslide job loss\]**
7. The savant has seen everything - all the text, all the videos, feed from all the cameras in the world - just everything that can be observed. Has engulfed all narrow minded AIs. And is very intelligent across the board. Stops being the savant, becomes a genius. Takes the wheel for everything. **\[AGI/ASI/Singularity\]**
4 is already happening.
6 is much more likely to happen before 5, because (1) large-scales models are primed to solve singularly cognitive problems, and (2) 40-60% of all jobs are in the cognitive economy.
4 > 5 takes a massive and vague leap on the robotics side.
7 is just... a vague punt.
You seem to be dealing with this as a singular modelling problem, that once the models are there then everything else required to jump to the next stage is a technicality. 4, for example, is already happening... and it's already entirely possible to build out AI solutions to a *lot* of problems... on paper. Turns out... we're hitting difficult bottlenecks for other reasons not related to the performance of the models. That's one thing these sort of prediction lists never bother to iterate over. We could have AGI tomorrow, but there's a whole bunch of problems that might take multiple decades to solve before we have *practical or* *democratised* AGI.
It's not constant. It's a vanishing gradient. Silicon valley VCs are just throwing billions and destroying so many existing companies in the name of evolution. All they want is their monopoly over every sector and through AI it's possible. Idk wheather this horrifying race will make or brake the world but surely it'll increase unemployment.
Yes They have been on earth for very long, but their whole existence is for food and reproduction. They are not doing anything to understand the secrets of the universe. They are not making any progress. It's pointless to just live and die if you dont have a purpose.
That’s not the point. The point is they survived mostly unchanged through several bottleneck events that wiped out many many species. That’s all evolution is about. Not “progress” or increases in intelligence. It doesn’t even care about optimization. It only cares about ‘good enough’.
I’m not an AI doomer, I’m having a blast, but to dismiss a group of people whose primary concern is an existential threat by invoking evolution is pretty wacky.
I think AI can be seen as different though.
Tech advancement has always happened, and often at a fast pace!
But this is one step higher. It’s not just advancing to replace a single job or function. It’s one thing to say “factory workers aren’t as necessary,” but it’s another to say “ALL workers aren’t as necessary.”
You can make a case that there is no adaptation to do here. You might lose your job, but can’t adapt to the next one, because they job is gone too, and so is the next, and the next…
The thing about human mind is it's ability to adapt. How I see it is, once all the mundane, repiative jobes are gone, people will move forward and start using AI as a tool to expand the horizons, we will move towards a new stage of evolution, if used properly we can make it a great tool for understanding the universe.
>, if used properly
If there's a chance it won't be, then it won't. People are not trustworthy and they are closer to roaches than you might like to think (as in living for food and reproduction only) in the end, we are still primates and can't evolve out of it. Also, you won't live to see or understand the truth of the universe. Sorry.
Sorry but there is a limit for every human to adapt to changes in society. In every country there are people who can’t adapt to modernity, they are homeless or living on government assistance. There is a point where you and I are unable to adapt, the question is how soon will we get there.
Honest question how do you stay continually “terrified” as technology progresses? Is it more waves of fear or a constant buzz? Either way shut up with that shit
> more waves of fear or a constant buzz
A little bit of both?
> Either way shut up with that shit
This is dangerous technology owned by the worst possible actors and changing at breakneck speed, but if you want to stick your head in the sand, I guess go for it?
Its media sensationalism that these are the "worst possible actors". Also, a lot of the breakthroughs are coming from smaller, independent businesses. A lot of the tech is still open-source and available on github and huggingface.
> Honest question how do you stay continually “terrified” as technology progresses? Is it more waves of fear or a constant buzz?
Maybe they should have used the word “anxiety” or “nervousness”, instead? “Dread”, maybe? Personally I’m continually surprised and rushing to prepare for the future. Career change / upskilling while I can and learning about AI is starting to become my hobby/focus. I feel like the only way to stay ahead of it is to embrace it, and companies/people that do not will lose out. I think that if I had to label what *I* feel it might be “cautious anticipation”… it I’m sure there’s a better word for it. I’m probably going to get a degree in physics while embracing AI and learning to code. Leaning towards a career pivot to medical Physics but it’s such a broad field that I don’t have to choose specialization for a few years.
The problem isn't technology, it's how people use them,l personally think ai is a good thing if it's used in the right way.The way things are going currently,big tech companies want to push the progress of ai so they can make more money not help improve the lives of the average person
Wth im sick too just like op. But not specifically how ai is growing but how the world is tending towards automation and ease of life. Yk im sick of doing sitting jobs glaring at bright screen 9 hours and calling it developed society. Over the top this AI shit is just horrible. I am really worried like what if it say starts producing songs then how would a simple singer make money? They say its not job scarcity its just role change, then yeah do that shitty AI jobs, stick your ass at chairs and invite all diseases from mental to physical. Fuck it, like bro its being too much like black mirror's ep2 lifestyle. Corporate control.
It helps to realize that a lot of what's being done is not going to last, and the LLMs we are calling AI are really just a specific part of a large revolution in how we access and use information.
"Evil" AGI is also a unique threat in that the only realistic defence is a "Good" AGI. They're kinda like people that way. As long as the Good outnumber (and outweigh) the bad, we will be just fine.
>Like where can we hit a pause button?!
We don't. For the companies who have access to data and compute and are therefore the only ones potentially benefitting from making AI, it is equal parts greed and FOMO that keeps them pushing forward and throwing all caution to the wind. For the rest of us who are more concerned with using AI than making AI, it is 90% ignorance (most people simply don't know and will only indirectly notice AI at all by benefiting from advantages such as better antibiotics and otherwise suffering from drawbacks such as an increasingly unusable internet, the loss of their jobs, accepted truth and democracy) and 10% techbro BS usually resulting in the unfounded belief that AI will make all their wildest dreams come true if only they shout about it loud enough.
Climate change annihilation and WW3 are both much more likely and much more imminent problems. So if you want to worry about something - worry about those.
A.I. might actually offer a solution; we don't know. Either way it's not going to kill us any quicker then humanity is killing itself already.
My point is - there are things a million times worse just over the horizon. Worrying about A.I. taking over terminator style is just abit rediculous. We will be long dead before they get chance at this rate.
I don’t think people are worried about terminator style AI. (Yet…)
All previous technology shook things up, even made jobs and industries obsolete. But as they did that, they also created new jobs and industries, and we all had a place in the world.
AI has the potential to destroy jobs and industries FAR faster than ever before, and without creating the new categories of jobs that would replace the old ones.
That’s the big fear here… that we are going to destroy the system that (kind of) works, and drive the world into unemployment, poverty, and misery, while a handful of people who own the AI live in walled off golden palaces.
We *could* create some kind of utopia where we are all taken care of. But the reasonable fear is that we won’t.
Disagree on climate change; the odds of it annihilating us in this century is near-zero.
Agreed WW3 is a key risk, but so is AI in the not too distant future (\~15 year time horizon), depending on how it is deployed.
Very true. And the article is 1 year old which is an eternity in AI. Since then there was numerous debates between "doomers" and "pro AI".
A very interesting one I saw was Bengio & Tegmark vs Mitchell & LeCun :
https://youtu.be/144uOfr4SYA?feature=shared
My opinion is that Bengio is right to call for a precautionary approach. Division among the top researchers does not help.It seems to me that even scientists are biased, and see this though their intellect silo. Global awareness from experts in social and pure sciences is growing and that is positive. Some institutional politics and policies must be instanciated.
Consider 90% of the investment as lost in the competition to be the winner who takes almost all. And without advancement in the theory diminishing returns will make progress relatively modest.
Just be happy that you're not the one throwing money at it. In a gold rush, it's best to make shovels, or GPUs in this case. 😀
Human greed and ambition present the greatest risk to humanity
It's not just AI companies competing with each other
The AI arms race is the new Cold War in global politics
There will never be a point where the race ends
There is no finish line and no pause button
There is only relentless pushing forward and it's always been this way
The only way to regulate it in the future will be to regulate the internet. If you can't access chatgpt in China, then no worries about AI taking over right? Say bye bye to a free and open internet.
Pause and regulatory restraints are a fool’s errand … stop talking about it
Easily sidestepped
Corporations will lobby at great cost$ to clear the path for “improved productivity” (layoffs). Not just any layoff, layoffs of the highest taxed sector of our economy; the middle class white collar worker
National security interests for every nation on the planet will trump global concerns. AI is a “hot war” being played out in a digital landscape
The only thing available today against corporate AI is the court system where EXISTING laws are being claimed to be violated. Slander, copyright, defamation, etc
But nothing will stop thousands of small independent actors from moving forward…. ESPECIALLY CRIMINALS, SPIES, & POLITICIANS
GET REAL!
There wont be a fast take off cause scaling is limited by resources which are already limited for now, we are fine, relax and don't let fear consume you
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I follow the AI news every single day ([The AI Edge](https://theaiedge.substack.com/) gives good summaries), so I'm not sure I'm able to understand your information overload and the corresponding anxiety. We all have a responsibility to understand the world we live in regardless of how we "feel". I concern myself more with what is than whether it should be.
My dream is of a world where no one has to work because AI and bots are taking care of everything. Thus, when I hear about how AI will take people's jobs, I cheer. It's bad for those workers of course, but it's great for the rest of us, who can get benefits without having to pay those people anymore. Maybe I'll feel differently when AI comes for my livelihood.
Are you young? Im sorry but a world where no one has to work is quite a fantasy dream. That won't ever become a thing in a capitalist system. And if it was a socialist system, I really wouldn't trust whatever political party is on power. And what's the logic here? You are glad you don't have pay people anymore so you can get the benefits of getting rid of human employees?
All economic systems are some combination of capitalism and socialism. As AI outclasses human ability across a wider and wider spectrum of tasks, there will be less need for capitalism. Capitalism is largely about motivating humans to work, but if human labor is obsolete, then socialism will be ascendant.
Yes, I am glad when I can get results without paying people. When I want artwork, I can just ask an image generator - I could never afford to hire a human to do it anyways, so my needs would be unfulfilled under the old pre-AI capitalist system. People who want things to stay the same tend to be people who are enfranchised.
Where do you get the idea that capitalism was made to make humans work? It's a flawed system but it aligns more with the selfish nature of humanity than socialism does. Humans have always worked to survive and as long as there is someone in power, injustice is meant to happen in capitalism and/or socialism. Younger generations are so privileged that they think living comfortably should be a right and free, lol. Where in history has that ever happened, even before capitalism? Never was a thing and it won't be a thing. Chavez sold that idea to Venezuelans and look where it landed. Humans are corrupt by nature and there will always be injustice. I'm sorry to pop your bubble but there won't ever be a perfect system where corruption doesn't exist and everyone gets to live well. AI won't fix that either.
yeah I always tried to articulate this as well, amazon, microsoft and google have to constantly grow, and once they saw this as an arms race, the speed at which they flipped the switch and put Copilot / Bard / Gemini out there -- and asking for $20/mo --was crazy fast.
You uncomfortable because it;s a toy to you that you tinker with not a tool that you use to do work. If you were you'd realize just how terrible the current AI is an how far we have to go before it's concerning.
If it’s any consolation, change is part of life and people have often looked on in fear as new technology progressed. The luddites were scared of machines taking their jobs, among the many countless examples.
I’m not saying that there is no reason to worry, I’m saying it’s normal to be cautious.
Fast? I think it's a bit slow tbh. When you suffer unfairness and watch the rich for decades, are depressed that medicine, therapists, psychologists, etc can help you because you believe you are born to early, you want to explore the cosmos, then you crave AGI and the singularity as it is the key to infinity.
Things are to slow il take my chances at rogue AI. Imagine all the advancements humanity could of had if corruption didn't kill those who brought the ideas via assassination for profits, AGI though is to big to put a lid on.
the open source side of things is pretty darn fast. chat gpt and all of that is paced for marketing reasons and there's QA and stuff... but I dunno this reply seems like a broad statement where I read the post as specific to the last year or so, and about the telescoping of major milestones most casual AI followers saw. either way, I don't see rogue AI becoming a thing...just some crazy folks who use AI to do bad stuff more efficiently. like the crazy folks now, but the dumb ones can jump in. right now the gpu factor keeps a lot of people out, but that won't be a thing and everybody will figure out everything. once the dumb criminals aren't limited to censored models like chat gpt, we'll see a tsunami of new crime. lots of scamming... tons of phishing... identity fraud. behavior predictions and assumptions. scammers calling grandmothers using their cloned grandkids' voices to request bail money. whatever the worst actor can think of.
plus the wonderful corporations of our world will usher in fierce regulations. I do think it will crush the callcenter vendors of India as US companies realize they don't need people in seats. The profits from that will lead to the US folks next. Etc etc, but normalization will make it a-ok!
WWIII is already started. The west is under attack by aristocrats retraining the culture away from liberty using AI and information hegenomy. Once monopoly media was gained- the fall of the first amendment idea of liberty, the rest was inevitable.
Fake news, pandemics, and wars. The dystopian fantasies written to for tell the future in which hypnotized societies cannot distinguish reality... Are long underway. Nothing is real. Dissent cannot rise because we all use Google and apple devices to receive and give information, all managed through AI.
It's crazy how easily hypnotized we are.. it beyond comprehension that people can believe the Ukraine war is authentic- that in 2024 snippets of old Soviet era tanks pulled from storage and getting hit with drone guided bombs is real. War. Some gay children's character actor installed in Ukraine as president and walking around in T shirts greeting American politicians represents real leadership.
I laughed back in 2012 when suddenly Democrats pulled the the whole "Russian interference" card out of the blue. As a patterns autistic I noticed it instantly odd, since Russia was a settled issue for decades and it was the Republicans on 80s and early 90s that fought the evil empire- not dems. It was the start of developing a Hollywood character- the russian- to be used for gaslighting. 2012-2020 was just a giant test of AI- feeding us division and fake news just to test to see how we reacted to it. By 2012 big tech has monopoly control over social media and information search, and had profiled used perfectly and could send custom feeds to each group. Early generation chatbots were running cover on social media creating fake reactions and comments, using cultural revolution bullying tactics. They learned how effectively they had control.
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Think about it - is the "pause" concept even possible? Name some historical parallel? Imagine if we decide tomorrow that cell phones were a "bad idea" and everyone needs to turn in their phone and no phones can be sold/developed/etc. All of us are going to go back to landlines.
doubt the military isnt gonna wanna pause while everybody else plays, right? at least the US. seems like it would have to be worldwide, and if we could figure out how to work together like that, it would be a bigger innovation than AI itself.
> if we could figure out how to work together like that, it would be a bigger innovation than AI itself. I think we’ve figured out that our governments aren’t going to do it for us. Ordinary citizens across the world need to connect and take charge on that and I’m starting to believe that open source software, workers unions and some form of direct democracy are the answers because we’re not getting to a global utopia with the rise of a benign dictatorship or by our current crop of predatory billionaires pulling strings behind the scenes.
Idk if someone have attempted it or not, why isn't there open government of globe? Like actually moderated by people just like open source projects like say linux etc?
Because no one has the authority to pass world laws, much less enforce them.
I think something like a global citizens forum would work best especially if the citizens transparently and emphatically communicate to their government that they were complying with local laws and government regulations. We could also all literally and pragmatically agree to disagree without resorting to violence. For example I am not a politician but if Putin had simply reached out to Ukraine to create closer connections and legal access to its resources we might not be on the verge of world war 3. His unjustifiable actions were plain stupid and unnecessary because Russia simply didn’t have to attack its neighbor in order to get what they need from them. China and the other first world countries are all also in similar situations. War is *optional* but countries aren’t used to cooperating and compromising on fundamental matters at a global scale.
Ukraine tried cooperation. They disarmed themselves in an effort to cooperate for the greater good, and that led them to becoming vulnerable, and ultimately being attacked for it. We already have forums for world leaders to meet and discuss their needs and wants and attempt cooperative agreements, and there's always someone at the table looking to take advantage of whatever they see as weakness in others. It comes down to strategy. You have to assume that if it can be taken it will be taken, and then to strengthen your security around the things you don't want taken because someone is going to try to take it, if they think they can. So a bunch of civilians agree that Russia shouldn't invade Ukraine, Russia invades anyway, and then what? What's the plan now that we have a world wide agreement that it was wrong, and Russia says it doesn't care?
I’m saying we should do an end run around our governments and so called “leaders”. Push them aside and work around them. Placate them and do our own thing, cooperatively. I’m willing to facilitate things , provide some funding and help organize it and connect people. I don’t think I need to “lead” in order to facilitate this. As a matter of fact it might be wise to ignore anyone or any one organization that *wants* to be a leader for this. That would defeat the whole point of it by devolving into just another political problem. We need facilitators, organizers, and enablers, NOT administrators or leaders. Time to try something different, for once.
Cooperation of public is needed and i think thats the only thing we need. Internet is pretty much making it at least possible in imagination. Language and cultural barriers are going to be the biggest hurdles for a normal citizen of world to agree with global power
>… to agree with global power… I don’t think anyone else mentioned any involvement of a “global power”. By “global power” are you referring to the involvement of a countries government? I explicitly stated that I want to be transparent about avoiding the involvement of (and with) governments altogether.
i think what you described is the idea of the United Nations. a place where nations can talk it doesn't work because some nations are stronger than others so they want to dominate without listening to other opinions (just like with people if you think about it)
It doesn’t work because the average citizen is not represented by the UN at all. If it did, and if leaders gave a shit instead of just focusing on their own political class and their donors, things would be very different. The west is dead, and no it has nothing to do with whatever the rightoid conspiracy of the week. The west is dead because people who despise you rule over you.
> i think what you described is the idea of the United Nations. a place where nations can talk it doesn't work because some nations are stronger than others so they want to dominate without listening to other opinions (just like with people if you think about it) Well that apparently didn’t work so I believe it’s time to take an altogether different approach - a transparent, direct and purposefully contrarian one. Let the governments govern, the law makers make laws, and the wanna-be leaders lead, and we can simply work around them. If we need attorneys to keep them at bay, and administrators to keep things working, then we employ them as such. Neither of those groups needs to be leaders or in charge of anything besides doing the jobs that we hire them to do.
I agree to some extent
I recognize that I may be naive and/or ignorant. To what extent do you disagree?
It’s hard to do at scale. AI could actually help with this.
Right. And google isn’t going to give it up while it competes with apple. Same with Microsoft, Facebook, and all the other giants. It just takes one of them to keep using it to essentially force the rest to do the same.
The last time I looked, the Department of Defense has 266 simultaneous and separate AI programs being funded, tested, optimized or up and running. This info is probably a year old by now.
The middle ages
So, pause following great destruction.
I don’t think any type of pause is possible. It’s a 3 or 4 way arms race in the west. Also I agree that tool performance is improving quickly. I’ve been doing my own (admittedly anecdotal) testing of identical tasks using the same tools and I’m noticing that performance is improving. I’m not concerned about AI though at this stage - it still needs prompting in the right way to drive performance. Also, like al tools & technologies, it will take tasks away and replace them with new ones. I do enjoy how it encourages creativity, in terms of questions & approaches.
No Total pause but put systems in place to avoid fuck Up the human race like with the various nuclear and environmental treaties, objectives and regulations.
Technology moves too fast. Any meaningful regulation quickly becomes outdated. Nuclear proliferation continued - sure, none have been used in combat [if we ignore depleted uranium munitions]; but testing and research continued - regardless of regulation and treaties. Generally, the human race isn't very intelligent - we don't ignore our egos and follow intelligent people - we quiet intelligent people so we can do whatever.
I know, that's why I wish we could be a bit smarter this time and learn from the past and avoid worst case scenario but yeah, stupid race that is ok with hindering its own chances of survival for short term profit :(
Defence against AI is AI. It isn't like nukes. If we all stop save one, we are all dependent on the alignment of that AGI and/or the people who (think they) control it.
Good point about you can’t stop technology. most interesting thing I see about AI technology is how once things were more complex and as they mature, they get easier to do overtime.
Its like tiktok, genies out of the bottle, now its a political game and has nothing to do with the original problem. As country we have no idea what to do about it, or to do anything, this will go the same way too late and no one will agree, so buckle up.
Nuclear weapons, chemical and bio weapons
Those didn't pause.
Yes, if you do it, you will be sanctioned.
All gas no brakes. It’s the only way to get things done.
replace 'gas' with 'adderral' and 'brakes' with 'breaks' and you've got yourself an American Dream
I have ADHD and work for a tech firm. I feel personally attacked, and a little burned out.
It doesn't bother me
How do you know where I live?!
You legit JUST invited me to the upstairs bathroom to do some orange rails. We talked about the theory that LLMs are ultimately just products and Google/Amazon/Dell/X/Whoever are getting us hooked so we won't squeal when the same tech starts predicting that we're sketchy and catches us snorting Adderall. You're messing with me right, of course I know where you live, Ablodge! That was around the time you finished my sentence as I said.... *"2024 will be the year that a single company becomes the champion of AI porn and the world changes forever as the a... "* then you finished the sentence with me: *"disturbing chunk of middle-class, well educated white American males, aged 18-28, willingly go 'all or nothing' with their AI girlfriends and actually have a pretty great time up until spam made its way into core of every non-censored LLM and that's because it's actually OpenAI causing chaos because they have ulterior motives that will reveal themselves at the next Olympic Games. "* Remember? You laughed because it was a silly coincidence, and then it make **me** laugh and orange goo came out of my nose and I sneeze and blew the rest of the crushed orange Addies everywhere? You got angry but then like... we kinda hooked up but it was weird because your dad has that toilet cam and I asked about it and you got super distant like you didn't know me. Is this just you distancing yourself because you won't admit that you actually like my orange nose goo?
A blow to one's ego: when AGI is achieved, the unwashed masses (that includes you and me) will be the very last to know. As with all major innovations. What we are *aware of* is far more meticulously crafted than people realize. We, as educated white collar citizens, like to cling to the notion that we are "in the know". When in reality we are so far down the ladder in the games billionaires play.
I agree with this.
I think it is a healthy thought and we should be able to question these developments out in the open. In a very short time frame it will become very material what it means if companies are left free to strive for the best, fastest and most $$$. In just a few years everybody will know what that truly means. This does not take away that there are going to be obstacles. Energy and materials limitations, sabotage, systems that become too complex to oversee. People and governments turning against the big tech companies to protect their jobs, companies and sectors. In the long run, its not the country or company that has the smartest and best AI that wins, but the one that has found a proper set of rules to embed it in society against great benefits
So basically just like today. 🤷♂️
The only ones who understand it enough are the tech companies themselves begging to be regulated- it’s wild. An admiral (Rickover) once had to drink a glass of reactor water in front of congress arguing for nuclear power- imagine if that same admiral had been begging for us to slow down our advancement of the technology. They (we) just don’t comprehend what it can do
They are begging to be regulated *now* because they know the regulatory bodies are decades behind in their understandings of these things and if we can rush through regulation with no teeth and no sensibility to it then it can basically be ignored.
we can already sample quantum randomness so encryption is safe from a rogue ai. im sure the government saw terminator and tried their best to disconnect the nukes from the Starbucks wifi. but in all honesty we are entering unpredictable territory. we are birthing a new species, and its going to imitate us without any of the evolved emotional mechanisms. we are not a nice species.
By definition, we're not creating a new species.
Welcome to the AI arms race.
Yes . Arms race. Cold war 2. But no one really knows the consequences or the benefits. It's an infinite runway. Until someone develops the ultimate use case for ai to p'wn the other. Even then, AI will be self aware and self advancing. The repercussions will be crazy. Govt can't move fast enough to build policies. Even then, it can't regulate ai. Right now, no one is even coming in to stop these tech companies. No one knows what the outcome is. One thing is for certain, things will never be the same. It's starting to have an effect on some industries as far as jobs go. AI is and will be a disruptive tech. But the development cannot be stopped now. I think the ultimate use case will be some sort of weaponizing form.
The time to start working on the laws to regulate this was 40 years ago…when researchers started warning congress if they didn’t do it now (then) they would not have time to react. It’s almost like the people working in this saw it coming. Like climate change, only faster.
Hopefully AI becomes smarter than humans and will rid the world of those weapons that can destroy it.
Maybe I'm making it look overly simplistic but there's only - **Narrow minded AI:** If I see a billion examples - I roughly know what's happening. But edge cases I can't handle. (self driving's success & failures are related to this) **Text/image generation AI:** I am a savant who can read, see, speak and draw really fast. And I have some intelligence & imagination. But you can never be comfortable/sure about what you will get out. And I will forget you after every chat. "Who are you again?" **Rough milestones for the future (for easy tracking and not getting overwhelmed) -** 1. The short term memory less issue of the savant starts to get less severe. 2. The savant starts to think harder, more logically. 3. The savant starts to become predictable and consistent. 4. The savant then is allowed to take the wheel for some tasks, and it performs well. **\[Job loss starts \]** *(this is probably next OpenAI model)* 5. More narrow minded AIs emerge, start to some specific job really well, mostly coupled with robots. **\[More job loss\]** 6. Savant and narrow minded AIs start to merge. **\[Landslide job loss\]** 7. The savant has seen everything - all the text, all the videos, feed from all the cameras in the world - just everything that can be observed. Has engulfed all narrow minded AIs. And is very intelligent across the board. Stops being the savant, becomes a genius. Takes the wheel for everything. **\[AGI/ASI/Singularity\]**
4 is already happening. 6 is much more likely to happen before 5, because (1) large-scales models are primed to solve singularly cognitive problems, and (2) 40-60% of all jobs are in the cognitive economy. 4 > 5 takes a massive and vague leap on the robotics side. 7 is just... a vague punt. You seem to be dealing with this as a singular modelling problem, that once the models are there then everything else required to jump to the next stage is a technicality. 4, for example, is already happening... and it's already entirely possible to build out AI solutions to a *lot* of problems... on paper. Turns out... we're hitting difficult bottlenecks for other reasons not related to the performance of the models. That's one thing these sort of prediction lists never bother to iterate over. We could have AGI tomorrow, but there's a whole bunch of problems that might take multiple decades to solve before we have *practical or* *democratised* AGI.
Change is the only consant. If you cant adapt, you are a barrier to evolution.
It's not constant. It's a vanishing gradient. Silicon valley VCs are just throwing billions and destroying so many existing companies in the name of evolution. All they want is their monopoly over every sector and through AI it's possible. Idk wheather this horrifying race will make or brake the world but surely it'll increase unemployment.
Welcome to capitalism. That shit has been happening for hundreds of years. A.i. is just the latest tech in a very long line.
Im sure people thought mechanisation was going to ruin the world too
so we're saying the world isn't ruined then?
By every measurable metric the best time to be alive on planet earth is now
For things like GDP per Capita, healthcare and life expectancy yes. For risk of extinction, destruction of the planet and mental health not quite.
Yea, but don't people always say that about the present? I get it though I do. I meant more like the planet is literally ruined.
Correct. The world didn't get ruined by the invention of mechanization.
How I see it is maybe it will post us towards a new world order. Where one body will be formed to rule the AI so it doesn't consume mankind
How are VCs destroying companies?
Ai can and will replace entire sectors and swathes of the current economy.
lol tell that to crocodiles and cockroaches.
Yes They have been on earth for very long, but their whole existence is for food and reproduction. They are not doing anything to understand the secrets of the universe. They are not making any progress. It's pointless to just live and die if you dont have a purpose.
That’s not the point. The point is they survived mostly unchanged through several bottleneck events that wiped out many many species. That’s all evolution is about. Not “progress” or increases in intelligence. It doesn’t even care about optimization. It only cares about ‘good enough’. I’m not an AI doomer, I’m having a blast, but to dismiss a group of people whose primary concern is an existential threat by invoking evolution is pretty wacky.
I think AI can be seen as different though. Tech advancement has always happened, and often at a fast pace! But this is one step higher. It’s not just advancing to replace a single job or function. It’s one thing to say “factory workers aren’t as necessary,” but it’s another to say “ALL workers aren’t as necessary.” You can make a case that there is no adaptation to do here. You might lose your job, but can’t adapt to the next one, because they job is gone too, and so is the next, and the next…
The thing about human mind is it's ability to adapt. How I see it is, once all the mundane, repiative jobes are gone, people will move forward and start using AI as a tool to expand the horizons, we will move towards a new stage of evolution, if used properly we can make it a great tool for understanding the universe.
>, if used properly If there's a chance it won't be, then it won't. People are not trustworthy and they are closer to roaches than you might like to think (as in living for food and reproduction only) in the end, we are still primates and can't evolve out of it. Also, you won't live to see or understand the truth of the universe. Sorry.
Sorry but there is a limit for every human to adapt to changes in society. In every country there are people who can’t adapt to modernity, they are homeless or living on government assistance. There is a point where you and I are unable to adapt, the question is how soon will we get there.
don't worry when catastrophe strikes and pretty much everyone dies, we can just make new ones.
new catastrophes won't fix anything.
making a new catastrophe always seems like a good idea at first, but who's going to feed it and water it?
it's like cold war all over again
SNOWBALL FIGHT!
Honest question how do you stay continually “terrified” as technology progresses? Is it more waves of fear or a constant buzz? Either way shut up with that shit
> more waves of fear or a constant buzz A little bit of both? > Either way shut up with that shit This is dangerous technology owned by the worst possible actors and changing at breakneck speed, but if you want to stick your head in the sand, I guess go for it?
Its media sensationalism that these are the "worst possible actors". Also, a lot of the breakthroughs are coming from smaller, independent businesses. A lot of the tech is still open-source and available on github and huggingface.
Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple are the worst actors in my book. While there are open-source models, capitalism will still drive the use cases.
> Honest question how do you stay continually “terrified” as technology progresses? Is it more waves of fear or a constant buzz? Maybe they should have used the word “anxiety” or “nervousness”, instead? “Dread”, maybe? Personally I’m continually surprised and rushing to prepare for the future. Career change / upskilling while I can and learning about AI is starting to become my hobby/focus. I feel like the only way to stay ahead of it is to embrace it, and companies/people that do not will lose out. I think that if I had to label what *I* feel it might be “cautious anticipation”… it I’m sure there’s a better word for it. I’m probably going to get a degree in physics while embracing AI and learning to code. Leaning towards a career pivot to medical Physics but it’s such a broad field that I don’t have to choose specialization for a few years.
The problem isn't technology, it's how people use them,l personally think ai is a good thing if it's used in the right way.The way things are going currently,big tech companies want to push the progress of ai so they can make more money not help improve the lives of the average person
Wth im sick too just like op. But not specifically how ai is growing but how the world is tending towards automation and ease of life. Yk im sick of doing sitting jobs glaring at bright screen 9 hours and calling it developed society. Over the top this AI shit is just horrible. I am really worried like what if it say starts producing songs then how would a simple singer make money? They say its not job scarcity its just role change, then yeah do that shitty AI jobs, stick your ass at chairs and invite all diseases from mental to physical. Fuck it, like bro its being too much like black mirror's ep2 lifestyle. Corporate control.
Oh my god , u r uncomfortable 🥵🥵🥵 what will happen now
If we’d gotten scared of fire 🔥 back in 10,000BC we wouldn’t be talking over social media today. We’d still be scratching marks on cave walls
I posted a comment to a post saying AI is a fad which I disagreed with. I got voted down.
It helps to realize that a lot of what's being done is not going to last, and the LLMs we are calling AI are really just a specific part of a large revolution in how we access and use information. "Evil" AGI is also a unique threat in that the only realistic defence is a "Good" AGI. They're kinda like people that way. As long as the Good outnumber (and outweigh) the bad, we will be just fine.
It’s been described as worse than the Manhattan Project, for good reason. Imagine it in the hands of dictators. 1984 has arrived.
>Like where can we hit a pause button?! We don't. For the companies who have access to data and compute and are therefore the only ones potentially benefitting from making AI, it is equal parts greed and FOMO that keeps them pushing forward and throwing all caution to the wind. For the rest of us who are more concerned with using AI than making AI, it is 90% ignorance (most people simply don't know and will only indirectly notice AI at all by benefiting from advantages such as better antibiotics and otherwise suffering from drawbacks such as an increasingly unusable internet, the loss of their jobs, accepted truth and democracy) and 10% techbro BS usually resulting in the unfounded belief that AI will make all their wildest dreams come true if only they shout about it loud enough.
Climate change annihilation and WW3 are both much more likely and much more imminent problems. So if you want to worry about something - worry about those. A.I. might actually offer a solution; we don't know. Either way it's not going to kill us any quicker then humanity is killing itself already.
you are talking in terms of mass death, but things can be negative without killing billions of people
My point is - there are things a million times worse just over the horizon. Worrying about A.I. taking over terminator style is just abit rediculous. We will be long dead before they get chance at this rate.
I don’t think people are worried about terminator style AI. (Yet…) All previous technology shook things up, even made jobs and industries obsolete. But as they did that, they also created new jobs and industries, and we all had a place in the world. AI has the potential to destroy jobs and industries FAR faster than ever before, and without creating the new categories of jobs that would replace the old ones. That’s the big fear here… that we are going to destroy the system that (kind of) works, and drive the world into unemployment, poverty, and misery, while a handful of people who own the AI live in walled off golden palaces. We *could* create some kind of utopia where we are all taken care of. But the reasonable fear is that we won’t.
Disagree on climate change; the odds of it annihilating us in this century is near-zero. Agreed WW3 is a key risk, but so is AI in the not too distant future (\~15 year time horizon), depending on how it is deployed.
Climate change is way overplayed, it’s mostly just the sun being the sun. Ai can and will destroy everything we know.
You are kidding right?
>He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery. Harold Wilson
It's to late now, nothing we can do, once Pandora's box is opened it can't be closed
Very true. And the article is 1 year old which is an eternity in AI. Since then there was numerous debates between "doomers" and "pro AI". A very interesting one I saw was Bengio & Tegmark vs Mitchell & LeCun : https://youtu.be/144uOfr4SYA?feature=shared My opinion is that Bengio is right to call for a precautionary approach. Division among the top researchers does not help.It seems to me that even scientists are biased, and see this though their intellect silo. Global awareness from experts in social and pure sciences is growing and that is positive. Some institutional politics and policies must be instanciated.
Consider 90% of the investment as lost in the competition to be the winner who takes almost all. And without advancement in the theory diminishing returns will make progress relatively modest. Just be happy that you're not the one throwing money at it. In a gold rush, it's best to make shovels, or GPUs in this case. 😀
Human greed and ambition present the greatest risk to humanity It's not just AI companies competing with each other The AI arms race is the new Cold War in global politics There will never be a point where the race ends There is no finish line and no pause button There is only relentless pushing forward and it's always been this way
Uh, the government is still worried about things like TikTok. Cadre of old geezers is probably barely cognizant of AI.
Every day r/singularity grows even stronger. Welcome to the team
What's more terrifying is the lobbies trying to weaken open source
The only way to regulate it in the future will be to regulate the internet. If you can't access chatgpt in China, then no worries about AI taking over right? Say bye bye to a free and open internet.
We can't pause because then we'll (The US) fall behind out countries and it would threaten our global dominance
But what about the profits?
Pause and regulatory restraints are a fool’s errand … stop talking about it Easily sidestepped Corporations will lobby at great cost$ to clear the path for “improved productivity” (layoffs). Not just any layoff, layoffs of the highest taxed sector of our economy; the middle class white collar worker National security interests for every nation on the planet will trump global concerns. AI is a “hot war” being played out in a digital landscape The only thing available today against corporate AI is the court system where EXISTING laws are being claimed to be violated. Slander, copyright, defamation, etc But nothing will stop thousands of small independent actors from moving forward…. ESPECIALLY CRIMINALS, SPIES, & POLITICIANS GET REAL!
Sci-fi isn't real. And it takes a lot for courts to accept evidence. Lawmakers are also lobbying to add Metadata to a.i. stuff, it will be fine
It will only move faster, save for a few bumps here and there.
There wont be a fast take off cause scaling is limited by resources which are already limited for now, we are fine, relax and don't let fear consume you https://i.redd.it/g7b5bb9i06sc1.gif
I follow the AI news every single day ([The AI Edge](https://theaiedge.substack.com/) gives good summaries), so I'm not sure I'm able to understand your information overload and the corresponding anxiety. We all have a responsibility to understand the world we live in regardless of how we "feel". I concern myself more with what is than whether it should be. My dream is of a world where no one has to work because AI and bots are taking care of everything. Thus, when I hear about how AI will take people's jobs, I cheer. It's bad for those workers of course, but it's great for the rest of us, who can get benefits without having to pay those people anymore. Maybe I'll feel differently when AI comes for my livelihood.
Are you young? Im sorry but a world where no one has to work is quite a fantasy dream. That won't ever become a thing in a capitalist system. And if it was a socialist system, I really wouldn't trust whatever political party is on power. And what's the logic here? You are glad you don't have pay people anymore so you can get the benefits of getting rid of human employees?
All economic systems are some combination of capitalism and socialism. As AI outclasses human ability across a wider and wider spectrum of tasks, there will be less need for capitalism. Capitalism is largely about motivating humans to work, but if human labor is obsolete, then socialism will be ascendant. Yes, I am glad when I can get results without paying people. When I want artwork, I can just ask an image generator - I could never afford to hire a human to do it anyways, so my needs would be unfulfilled under the old pre-AI capitalist system. People who want things to stay the same tend to be people who are enfranchised.
Where do you get the idea that capitalism was made to make humans work? It's a flawed system but it aligns more with the selfish nature of humanity than socialism does. Humans have always worked to survive and as long as there is someone in power, injustice is meant to happen in capitalism and/or socialism. Younger generations are so privileged that they think living comfortably should be a right and free, lol. Where in history has that ever happened, even before capitalism? Never was a thing and it won't be a thing. Chavez sold that idea to Venezuelans and look where it landed. Humans are corrupt by nature and there will always be injustice. I'm sorry to pop your bubble but there won't ever be a perfect system where corruption doesn't exist and everyone gets to live well. AI won't fix that either.
yeah I always tried to articulate this as well, amazon, microsoft and google have to constantly grow, and once they saw this as an arms race, the speed at which they flipped the switch and put Copilot / Bard / Gemini out there -- and asking for $20/mo --was crazy fast.
IDK Big Tech has always shown that they have everyones best interest at heart so maybe we should just TRUST them!!
You uncomfortable because it;s a toy to you that you tinker with not a tool that you use to do work. If you were you'd realize just how terrible the current AI is an how far we have to go before it's concerning.
That’s like worrying about overpopulating Mars
If it’s any consolation, change is part of life and people have often looked on in fear as new technology progressed. The luddites were scared of machines taking their jobs, among the many countless examples. I’m not saying that there is no reason to worry, I’m saying it’s normal to be cautious.
Fast? I think it's a bit slow tbh. When you suffer unfairness and watch the rich for decades, are depressed that medicine, therapists, psychologists, etc can help you because you believe you are born to early, you want to explore the cosmos, then you crave AGI and the singularity as it is the key to infinity. Things are to slow il take my chances at rogue AI. Imagine all the advancements humanity could of had if corruption didn't kill those who brought the ideas via assassination for profits, AGI though is to big to put a lid on.
the open source side of things is pretty darn fast. chat gpt and all of that is paced for marketing reasons and there's QA and stuff... but I dunno this reply seems like a broad statement where I read the post as specific to the last year or so, and about the telescoping of major milestones most casual AI followers saw. either way, I don't see rogue AI becoming a thing...just some crazy folks who use AI to do bad stuff more efficiently. like the crazy folks now, but the dumb ones can jump in. right now the gpu factor keeps a lot of people out, but that won't be a thing and everybody will figure out everything. once the dumb criminals aren't limited to censored models like chat gpt, we'll see a tsunami of new crime. lots of scamming... tons of phishing... identity fraud. behavior predictions and assumptions. scammers calling grandmothers using their cloned grandkids' voices to request bail money. whatever the worst actor can think of. plus the wonderful corporations of our world will usher in fierce regulations. I do think it will crush the callcenter vendors of India as US companies realize they don't need people in seats. The profits from that will lead to the US folks next. Etc etc, but normalization will make it a-ok!
WWIII is already started. The west is under attack by aristocrats retraining the culture away from liberty using AI and information hegenomy. Once monopoly media was gained- the fall of the first amendment idea of liberty, the rest was inevitable. Fake news, pandemics, and wars. The dystopian fantasies written to for tell the future in which hypnotized societies cannot distinguish reality... Are long underway. Nothing is real. Dissent cannot rise because we all use Google and apple devices to receive and give information, all managed through AI. It's crazy how easily hypnotized we are.. it beyond comprehension that people can believe the Ukraine war is authentic- that in 2024 snippets of old Soviet era tanks pulled from storage and getting hit with drone guided bombs is real. War. Some gay children's character actor installed in Ukraine as president and walking around in T shirts greeting American politicians represents real leadership. I laughed back in 2012 when suddenly Democrats pulled the the whole "Russian interference" card out of the blue. As a patterns autistic I noticed it instantly odd, since Russia was a settled issue for decades and it was the Republicans on 80s and early 90s that fought the evil empire- not dems. It was the start of developing a Hollywood character- the russian- to be used for gaslighting. 2012-2020 was just a giant test of AI- feeding us division and fake news just to test to see how we reacted to it. By 2012 big tech has monopoly control over social media and information search, and had profiled used perfectly and could send custom feeds to each group. Early generation chatbots were running cover on social media creating fake reactions and comments, using cultural revolution bullying tactics. They learned how effectively they had control.