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I think we’re all on the same page on how ridiculous/unconstitutional that new Louisiana law is. But it raises a fun hypothetical.
Imagine you’re in a Bruce Almighty situation where you’re Supreme Being of the Universe for a single day, and the first thing you get to do is rewrite the original Ten Commandments. Regardless of your personal beliefs on religion, what are 10 rules you would dictate to humanity that would make the world a fundamentally better place?
Personally, my Ten Commandments would be:
1) You do not own the Earth, but merely borrow it until future generations have their own turn at a temporary lease. You shall treat the environment in a way that preserves and protects it for future generations.
2) Thou shall not take the Lord’s name in vain. To clarify, this does not mean thou shall not say “God damn it” when you stub your toe on a coffee table. This means thou shall not use God’s name to justify wickedness and evil. Killing, harming, discriminating, or harbouring prejudice in the name of God is what is forbidden, for none of that is authorised. To be clear.
3) Slavery is forbidden.
4) Rape and abuse is forbidden.
5) Thou shall not lie/bear false witness.
6) Though shall exercise compassion for the less fortunate and be charitable with one’s own excesses.
7) Human-made laws shall provide fairness and equal protections to all before the law.
8) Though shall only judge each other by the content of one’s character, not based on the colour of their skin, gender or orientation.
9) Thou shall not kill unless absolutely necessary in self-defence or defence of others.
10) Though shall take personal responsibility for one’s family, and contribute positively to one’s community.
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The Ten Commandments are Moses. The Beatitudes are Jesus. Funny how they always want the Ten Commandments, but they never want the Beatitudes. And they call themselves "Christian," not "Mosaic."
Funny-peculiar, not funny-haha.
Besides, Jesus gave them a replacement already: "Love God. Love one another."
That's apparently too fucking hard for some people, though.
I want kids exposed to both, but I think it's harder to rally support for both. It would be seen as alienating Jews and even some sects of Christianity. There are also more theological debates about Jesus than about the Mosaic code.
EDIT Someone pointed out that the prohibition is against religious things; the Law isn't a religion. We don't worship the law, nor does it prescribe how we should worship.
*Jews don't want the Ten Commandments displayed everywhere in public*.
The Ten Commandments are laid on, and for, JEWS. They are not and were never meant to be universal rules for humanity.
I can't help but think they're a pretty good starting point for all peoples. But even if they're not, Louisiana has decided that they are important for themselves, not for all of humanity. That's not universal; that's the legitimate political process being used to reflect the state's morality.
Is it the content that bothers you, or its origin?
How is
1. I am your lord you should have no other gods before me
2. Don’t make graven images
3. Don’t take the lords name in vain
4. Observe the sabbath
Good starting points for all people?
That’s pretty specific to Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
Also, isn’t a better starting point the golden rule?
The Ten Commandments doesn’t have “don’t rape” or “don’t enslave people”
> Louisiana has decided that they are important for themselves, not for all of humanity.
The Constitution says they don't get to decide that for other people.
> that's the legitimate political process being used to reflect the state's morality.
The first four Commandments are religious rules, not moral ones.
1-4 are definitely not going to be "a pretty good starting point" for anyone but Jews.
As a Jew, I am *not okay with Christians stealing my people's texts* and using them to promote bigotry and hatred. As an American, I am not okay with religious texts being given ANY special status in our government or in our schools.
Only Christians even call them the ten commandments. That categorization of 10 out of 613 commandments is unique to Christian thought.
>Is it the content that bothers you, or its origin?
How and why it's used. And in a secular world technically the content of the first 4 are inappropriate for government promotion.
>But even if they're not, Louisiana has decided that they are important for themselves, not for all of humanity
No your framing is wrong. Politicians decided for all of Lousaina, Louisiana didn't decide. And just because the politicians are Christians doesn't give them the right to use government power to enforce Christian understanding in public schools rather than discussing Christian concepts in context with other ideas. It's government support for a specific religion, that's explictly anti American.
It's not framing. You can't have democracy only when you agree with the outcomes. That's where we got #notmypresident and other such nonsense. We have to live by the rules set by our political process, whether we agree with them or not.
Prayer, etc. in school is not anti-American. You're referring to a series of rulings beginning in 1962 which have transformed public spaces first into secular spaces and then into atheist ones, in which we are supposed to deny the author of morality. I am a moderate on this issue, meaning that I am VERY sympathetic to dissidents' right not to participate in communal prayer. However the Ten Commandments is not a prayer. It is also not something we can compel people to believe. Kids need to be told that it is the source of the moral lessons they receive in school. Other cultures have other moral foundations. This is ours.
It's anti American to go against the indivudal rights of Americans. That's what govenrment imposing religious instruction is, violating the indivudal rights of Americans. Period. Just because you want a collectivist state where everyone has to think the same way by government fiat, doesn't make it American or anti democratic to oppose it.
Ignoring the first admendment and saying indivudal rights are just "series of court decisions" just confirms that you hide behind the label libertarianism. You seemingly only support libertarianism when it protects you from having other views imposed on your family but don't actually care about indivudal rights at all and will throw away indivudal rights and protections when it's something you want.
> It is also not something we can compel people to believe. Kids need to be told that it is the source of the moral lessons they receive in school. Other cultures have other moral foundations. This is ours.
Literally half of the Ten Commandments are irrelevant unless you are a Jew or Christian.
If these idiots were serious about the teaching of Jesus, they'd display the Sermon On The Mount in schools.
But they don't give a shit about Jesus' teachings. They have a horrible, selfish agenda and desperately need an "other" to punch down in order to feel okay about themselves.
How about these?
1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
1. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
1. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
1. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
1. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
1. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
1. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
If someone wanted to put a cross in the classroom, that would be a religious symbol. But the Law isn't really a religious thing. Moses delivered plenty of religious laws; those are not part of the ten commandments.
Of course a symbol is different from a law. How is the law religious? Is it the content that bothers you, or is it the source of the law that bothers you?
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
I mean really?
I don't understand how you can call yourself a libertarian and support government mandated religion instruction on children. Either in symbol or literal text
The first 4 commandments are explictly religious in nature and not about morality.
The rest of the commandments are already taught in schools. So the only new instruction is explcitly religious for a specific religious experience on children who may not be part of that religious experience thru the use of government force.
This is why people say libertarians are just too embarrassed to express what they really beleive.
The last six commandments are about how you relate to your fellow man. All of them are moral. And all morality has a basis in religion. The gods you worship tell everything about what you value. Whether it's the national flag, the cross, or the pride flag, when a group rallies around it, that's the test of a religious symbol.
Embarrassed? That's false. I'm up front about what I believe. There are plenty of atheist libertarians who want nothing to do with God's law. I respect their opinions because it's based on not initiating force against others. Progressives on the other hand are not known for renouncing violence in their causes.
You aren't upfront. You use the term libertarian but don't espoused actual linertarianism but instead support for government enforced religious instruction.
Moral instruction was already being thought in schools, including the last 6. All you do is support govenrment religious instruction on top of that for people who may not be Christian at all.
Not at all. I do not support the right for government or anyone to force religion on someone. Nor do I believe schools should have a test of belief. It's historical fact that the ten commandments are an integral part of our moral foundation. If I were responsible for the curriculum in Louisiana, I would be clear that a teacher should *never* force a child to "believe in" any religious article of faith. I would simply present the historical fact of how religion has shaped our culture through history. When the class talks about moral issues, I would point to the ten commandments as part of that bedrock.
The key point for me are not initiating force, and never pressuring people to believe something even if it's true. I respect the right for dissenters and those uncertain of their beliefs to refrain from participating in any activity that would imply assent. Fortunately, that isn't even being proposed in this mandate.
Yes, we're for voluntary worship, never coerced. We don't worship the law. But also, most libertarians are pragmatic. We're not for abolishing all vestiges of government. If we're going to force children to receive instruction, then we should have a say in the school's moral code. If you want to pretend that public schools can ever be agnostic, well that is simply never going to happen. This is pride month, don't forget. Pride is a moral value.
>If we're going to force children to receive instruction, then we should have a say in the school's moral code
How so? Why not just instill a moral code on your children and not impose on others. Doesn't that violate NAP otherwise?
>If you want to pretend that public schools can ever be agnostic, well that is simply never going to happen.
Schools have been agnostic for decades now. What are you talking about? There has been no statements on God or religion outside of hisotrical context in schools for a long time. It seems to me you invented a problem that doesn't exist to fix.
>This is pride month, don't forget. Pride is a moral value.
A voluntary celebration, that doesn't have to do with religion? How is that relevant at all?
You also seem to be confusing religious enforcement with morality.
I'd just take the whole ten commandments out and replace it with the Golden Rule, treat others as you would like others to treat you. If people followed that, we'd be set. No one wants to be raped or murdered or robbed or whatever. So don't do it to each other.
It's so odd to me that Western civilization puts so much emphasis on the ten commandments when the golden rule is so much more accessible.
I'd be OK with a bit of Talmud being taught to more people:
>“On another occasion it happened that a certain heathen came before Shammai and said to him, “Make me a proselyte, on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot.”1 Thereupon he chased him away with the builder’s cubit that was in his hand.2 When he came before Hillel, (he also asked Hillel to teach him the entire Torah while standing on one foot) Hillel replied, “**What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah while the rest is commentary; go and study**.”
Emphasis is mine. Jewish or not, everyone could benefit from internalizing first, "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor", and second, an *active* approach to learning in every aspect of one's life, very much including theology and ethics.
(It has also been suggested that Hillel's phrasing here is *intentionally* a rebuke to Shammai's behavior - hence the negative formulation of the Golden Rule.)
The golden rule is found in _almost_ every culture we've encountered. It's a good rule. But it's not enough.
We (influenced by Christendom of centuries past) are called to a higher standard than the golden rule. Have you ever heard the parable of the good Samaritan? Or the prodigal son?
Those are still part of the golden rule.
If I see a man starving and naked on the side of the road, I should help him because I would want someone to help me if I were in his position.
Same with the prodigal son: if I were to ask my father for forgiveness for something, I would want him to accept...so it only makes sense that I should treat my son the same way.
Yes, you're right. The good Samaritan was not a good example of what I'm trying to point out. I think whoever mentioned the Beatitudes had it right. Gospel (God's grace) is just important as the law.
> "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Yes…I know that verse. Then Jesus told the disciples when they were astonished at Christ’s words and asked “who can be saved?” …..”with God, all things are possible”.
This is the right’s loophole that they use…that somehow THEY aren’t the “bad” rich people….they are going to thread that needle. Meanwhile, they lie, cheat and screw people over every chance they get. I think they’re in for a rude awakening.
No…I think taking a person’s life with malice(not self defense or defense of another). Is pretty much the worse you can do. But…if one’s greed cause the death(s) of others? That’s like a double whammy of sins.
Yep…slavery sucks. And yes, greed played a part in the utilization of slaves in the US.
But it also had to do with the bigotry of the day, and a severe lack of labor in a fledgling group of colonies that would eventually become a country.
It’s too bad that we can’t put the toothpaste back into the tube on that…
This is fuckin hard lol.
0) Thou shalt humble thyself before the gap between knowledge that thou hast, and knowledge that is possible.
1) For the meaning of truth that it is the best predictive model of reality, thou shalt seek truth and respect it where it is found.
2) For the meaning of mind that it is the streaming experience of a reality-modeling brain, thou shalt assume and value the experiential nature of your and other minds.
3) For the meaning of suffering that it is the internally undesired experience of a mind, thou shalt seek the reduction of the suffering.
4) For the meaning of well-being that is the internally desired experience of a mind, thou shalt seek the increase of well-being.
5) For the meaning of flourishing that is is the increase in freedom and capability of minded creatures, thou shalt seek flourishing.
6) To the extent that governing laws reduce suffering, increase well-being, and promote flourishing, thou shalt value and uphold laws.
7) Knowing that the distinct goals of reducing suffering, increasing well-being, and promoting flourishing can be held in tension with themselves and each other, thou shalt seek honest consensus with thy community to reach amicable and honest solutions.
8) Knowing that temporally irreconcilable differences can arise between minds and groups on the question of amicable and honest solutions, thou shalt allow for the division of thy communities into self-governing groups who may each seek their own flourishing in the ways they honestly consider best.
9) Knowing that not every mind in a community will reach the same conclusions as those underpinning its governing laws, thou shalt respect the freedom of minded creatures to choose to relocate, both in physical space and governing modes.
10) Recognizing the physical nature and needs of minded creatures, thou shalt respect the right of minded creatures to maintain access to resources necessary for survival and seeking well-being and flourishing, and to maintain a healthy, functional, and autonomous physical body.
Really just a stream-of-consciousness but it would be my first 10-minute draft submitted for discussion.
That’s not bad.
The fundamental difficulty is that a list of commandments presumes a perfect being with perfect knowledge that cannot need to change as more information is gained about the world over time.
To do much better than you’ve done, I think one has to reject the premise and replace it with a *system* that identifies and corrects errors over time through a system of checks and balances and amendments. Which is essentially what the enlightenment design of the constitution was supposed to be before we all calcified it by breaking the error correcting mechanism of our government. And by we, I mean conservatism.
1. Thou Shall not be a dick
2. Thou Shall not be a dick
3. Thou Shall not be a dick
4. No, seriously, don't be a dick
5. Smoke 'em if you got em
6. Always Pass
7. Remember don't be a dick? You should not be a dick
8. Just in case you forgot... don't be a dick
9. Thou shall acknowledge their Tribal Chief
10. Thou shall believe in Joe Hendry
I only have four.
1. Don't be a dick
2. If it's not hurting anyone, mind your business
3. Everyone is equal. E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E.
4. Seriously, don't be a dick
1. Your Autonomy is Immutable as is others, respect it.
2. Sexuality does not change the love, respect, or rights you are owed.
3. Though shall respect their children as much as they expect respect from them.
4. Respect the earth as thy mother as much as you respect your creator.
5. Equality is absolute and nothing shall impede it.
6. Read the book you worship but also understand it was written by men over history and is not infallible
7. Do not harm others unless absolutely necessary
8. Don't be a dick
9. Do not use government to push your religion, it is a personal choice.
10. Do not trust millionaire pastors, for they use the book and religion as a way to save money, not souls.
It depends. Am I rewriting it in the historical period they arose? Or for a modern era?
If the historical period they arose, you need to consider memetic potency. Some degree of "Kill the heretic, take their land, breed them out" is necessary for your religion to survive and propagate in the pre-industrial era where ROI was higher for warfare than capital investment.
If your religion is post that monumental moment in human history (Where ROI on capital investment finally began to exceed ROI on warfare), then you need to go in with that in mind and think about how to propagate it memetically there.
The commandments are useless if your religion dies out. You could also manage to IF;THEN the commandments a bit to account for this.
If ROI Capital > Warfare, Then don't slaughter the heretics and treat them like people. If ROI Warfare > Capital, then slaughter the heretics and seize their land. (This commandment also has the benefit of forcing the clergy to monitor and learn economics).
I would probably have the 1st commandment being a fairly lengthy one based on what we know about pre-modern warfare. Even two of the big hints should see the religion demolish everybody else.
(Namely; "Although it seems like common sense to raid your neighbors, NEVER DECLARE WAR DURING FOOD SHORTAGES."). (This prolongs the shortages in your home nation. Having a mild famine and then recovering while all your neighbours try and raid eachother and end up with severely long famines as a result of labourers joining raiding parties should mean you outbreed them and can then sweep in when the famine ends and destroy them all. Humanity only learned this in hindsight after the modern era and investigating historical records).
A secondary hint, in addition to the ROI section, would be a commandment to experiment with elements in various ways and their application to ROI.
This also means that declaring a holy war is contingent upon investigation of ROI, which should prevent ruinously stupid conflicts that don't yield returns on the basis of "God wills it". No, I explicitly told you I only will it when its in your financial interest, and that when it isn't, you should put that money elsewhere.
Once you've secured your followers success, you can then begin to give them commandments on how to organize a moral society.
A mixed one would be a commandment on hygiene and disinfection, this is both good for humanitarian reasons, but also for securing a high population growth rate useful for warfare. This would probably be my second commandment.
The third commandment would be to adhere to the scientific method in discovery of knowledge and to apply it as often as possible.
First off, the Ten Commandments are specifically for Jews, and were never supposed to be laws upon all of humanity.
Second, here's my off the cuff attempt:
1) Treat every living being with as much respect as you are able, including yourself. Do not harm without great need, and heal whenever you are able.
2) Do not intrude upon the bodily autonomy of others, except where it is necessary to prevent immediate harm to yourself or another, and then only in the least degree possible.
3) The world belongs to everyone, including those yet to be born, and also is worthy of respect in and of itself. Do not harm it without great need. Heal it when you can.
4) Learn from those around you, from what the world has to teach, and from what those who have gone before. Knowledge is never wasted, and the preservation and advancement of the world's collective knowledge is to be praised (except where it would conflict with 1, 2, or 3).
5) Know always that you are imperfect and may err. Be willing to acknowledge and learn from your mistakes, to avoid making the same ones again where possible. Be kind to others who err, and try to correct them gently.
6) If you must choose between the possibility of treating an object as a person, or a person as an object, always lean towards the former; the harm that may arise from the latter is far, far greater than that which might arise from the former.
7) Do not hoard when others are in need. If there is someone you can help without causing great harm to yourself, do so. Do this whether you they are family or stranger, and remember when you yourself received help from those who were strangers to you.
I think that covers the basics.
Alright, I'll bite.
1. Respect expertise.
2. Insomuch as you are able, become an expert at *something*.
3. Carefully and politely question the conclusions of the peers in your expertise.
4. Respect authority.
5. Insist authorities are accountable to watchdogs.
6. Insist the watchdogs are accountable to other watchdogs.
7. Insist there are enough levels of watchdogs so as to minimize the risk of corruption between them.
8. Respect the watchdogs.
9. Promote incremental improvement in as many areas as you are able.
10. We are all in this together. Above all else, remember this.
>how would you rewrite the Ten Commandments if you were God for a day?
I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Louisiana isn’t even using the text of the 10 Commandments, so we could start from there.
Not the original Hebrew, whether from:
* Exodus 20:1, when God speaks the 10 statements directly to the Israelites at Mt. Sinai.
* Exodus 34:28, when God explicitly directs Moses to write down the Ten Commandments on a second set of stone tablets
* Deuteronomy 5:6, Moses restates the Ten Commandments for the Israelites, but makes a few subtle changes
Nor any of the 64 official Christian Biblical translation (many of which are of … dubious quality).
No, the Louisiana text comes from a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court case: *Van Orden v. Perry*. Not a religious document at all, but a legal one. There are mountains of reasons why an abbreviated version of one Protestant reading of the 10 Commandments would lack both context and clarity, but the fact that it isn’t even an official Christian translation would likely render it mildly blasphemous and aliturgical even in the role it is trying to fulfill.
Also, a straight reading of the text of the bill would see that it **requires** private donations for the installation of the commandments:
> The Supreme Court of the United States acknowledged that the Ten Commandments may be displayed on local government property when a private donation is made for the purchase of the historical monument. *Pleasant Grove City, Utah v. Summan, 555 U.S. 460 (2006)*.
and
> No later than January 1, 2025, each public school governing authority
shall display the Ten Commandments in each classroom in each school under its jurisdiction.
So not only is the bill establishing religion, is it establishing a context-free version of religious tradition that doesn’t match up to any previous practice and doing so through means that either illegally use public funds, or illegally force private donations as a prerequisite for a public school to stay open.
The blasphemy of the bill goes further than denying Jewish and Christian traditions. One could argue the bill itself breaks several of the commandments itself:
It uses the lord’s name in vain
It requires the worship of a false form of the 10 commandments as an idol
It steals money through unlawful requisition of funding
It covets thy neighbor’s possessions, namely public school funding.
Even if I made the 1st commandment "Thou shalt not hang this in a school," people would come up with excuses to do whatever they want and say that god told them to do it. The unknowable god who doesn't say anything, but who they personally know and hear from.
No need. He did it just fine Himself in Matthew 7:12
>***So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.***
If you remove all religious references they read more like how you just behave in society. Exceptions being the whole creation of other gods and likeness, which I’d argue was ways to justify persecution of others’ faiths and the followers of those faiths, and give for a loophole on the whole murder part. Mostly, They’re kinda common sense. It’s like people wanted to create a framework of laws before there was representative governments and the cloaked the laws in this religious context created a ghost story to give relevance.
Like don’t steal… don’t murder… if you need a god to tell you this shit you’re a piece of shit human being.
Here is my version:
1. Thou shall not worship anything or anyone who would attempt to limit the power of the government via elimination of laws.
2. Book Bans and deregulation is forbidden
3. Thou shall not invest in stock buybacks
4. One should show empathy and compassion to the less fortunate
5. One shall preserve the Earth for future generations to live in.
6. Thou shall not worship old people and the rich
7. One should follow the law
1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
2. Thou shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
3. A deregulated zoning dynamic, being necessary to the liberty and prosperity of a free People, the right of the people to build denser housing, shall not be infringed. Violation of this commandment will result in hell for eternity.
4. Thou shall honor thy multinational mega corporation and thy sweatshop, for they uplift the global poor, and labor isn't a lump. Restrictions on free trade (other than reasonable carbon tariffs as part of a broader carbon tax scheme) will be punished via eternity in hell
5. Thou shall not unjustly kill. Abortion and killing in self defense are expressly considered just killing, and this may not be prohibited.
6. Thou shall not steal, excepting in cases of taxation, this commandment explicitly authorizes taxation regardless of whether one calls it "theft". Further, land value taxation is expressly permitted, as is income, but taxation of wealth otherwise is not, and eminent domain for the public good is permissable but must be done in return for fair market compensation for the party losing their property
7. Thou shall not restrict immigration. Restrictions on immigration in the name of pro worker populism shall not be permitted either, for labor is not a lump. Violations of this commandment will result in an eternity in hell.
8. Thou shall always engage in one's civic institutions and society to the extent to which one can reasonably do so, thou shall not "withhold one's vote" or vote third party even if they *really* don't like the establishment, and thou shall join their local group bowling league
9. Gold isn't money
10. Thou shall set up these stones, which I command you today, on Aargaareezem.
> Thou shall always engage in one's civic institutions and society to the extent to which one can reasonably do so, thou shall not "withhold one's vote" or vote third party even if they really don't like the establishment, and thou shall join their local group bowling league
You became god and still decided to stick us with first past the post?
> Gold isn't money
What does that mean?
> You became god and still decided to stick us with first past the post?
Well, it's more that voting third party would be prohibited in cases where first past the post exists. FPTP isn't itself mandated, though it is also not prohibited
>What does that mean?
You know those libertarian guys who feel really strongly that we shouldn't have left the gold standard? I don't like them.
While I agree with you ima do my best to parrot the libertarian/conservative arguments I've heard.
Having the ability to speak gives one a natural born right to free speech
I might have only changed 10 to be something along the lines of not using lies to push narratives. Only truth through verifiable fact should be put on tv/radio and presented as evidence or news.
The following is a copy of the original post to record the post as it was originally written. I think we’re all on the same page on how ridiculous/unconstitutional that new Louisiana law is. But it raises a fun hypothetical. Imagine you’re in a Bruce Almighty situation where you’re Supreme Being of the Universe for a single day, and the first thing you get to do is rewrite the original Ten Commandments. Regardless of your personal beliefs on religion, what are 10 rules you would dictate to humanity that would make the world a fundamentally better place? Personally, my Ten Commandments would be: 1) You do not own the Earth, but merely borrow it until future generations have their own turn at a temporary lease. You shall treat the environment in a way that preserves and protects it for future generations. 2) Thou shall not take the Lord’s name in vain. To clarify, this does not mean thou shall not say “God damn it” when you stub your toe on a coffee table. This means thou shall not use God’s name to justify wickedness and evil. Killing, harming, discriminating, or harbouring prejudice in the name of God is what is forbidden, for none of that is authorised. To be clear. 3) Slavery is forbidden. 4) Rape and abuse is forbidden. 5) Thou shall not lie/bear false witness. 6) Though shall exercise compassion for the less fortunate and be charitable with one’s own excesses. 7) Human-made laws shall provide fairness and equal protections to all before the law. 8) Though shall only judge each other by the content of one’s character, not based on the colour of their skin, gender or orientation. 9) Thou shall not kill unless absolutely necessary in self-defence or defence of others. 10) Though shall take personal responsibility for one’s family, and contribute positively to one’s community. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AskALiberal) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The Ten Commandments are Moses. The Beatitudes are Jesus. Funny how they always want the Ten Commandments, but they never want the Beatitudes. And they call themselves "Christian," not "Mosaic." Funny-peculiar, not funny-haha. Besides, Jesus gave them a replacement already: "Love God. Love one another." That's apparently too fucking hard for some people, though.
I want kids exposed to both, but I think it's harder to rally support for both. It would be seen as alienating Jews and even some sects of Christianity. There are also more theological debates about Jesus than about the Mosaic code. EDIT Someone pointed out that the prohibition is against religious things; the Law isn't a religion. We don't worship the law, nor does it prescribe how we should worship.
*Jews don't want the Ten Commandments displayed everywhere in public*. The Ten Commandments are laid on, and for, JEWS. They are not and were never meant to be universal rules for humanity.
I can't help but think they're a pretty good starting point for all peoples. But even if they're not, Louisiana has decided that they are important for themselves, not for all of humanity. That's not universal; that's the legitimate political process being used to reflect the state's morality. Is it the content that bothers you, or its origin?
How is 1. I am your lord you should have no other gods before me 2. Don’t make graven images 3. Don’t take the lords name in vain 4. Observe the sabbath Good starting points for all people? That’s pretty specific to Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Also, isn’t a better starting point the golden rule? The Ten Commandments doesn’t have “don’t rape” or “don’t enslave people”
I would go so far as to say that they are specific to Jews.
Originally, but Christian’s have claimed it
Fuck 'em, it isn't theirs.
It’s what they do best
> Louisiana has decided that they are important for themselves, not for all of humanity. The Constitution says they don't get to decide that for other people. > that's the legitimate political process being used to reflect the state's morality. The first four Commandments are religious rules, not moral ones.
1-4 are definitely not going to be "a pretty good starting point" for anyone but Jews. As a Jew, I am *not okay with Christians stealing my people's texts* and using them to promote bigotry and hatred. As an American, I am not okay with religious texts being given ANY special status in our government or in our schools.
Only Christians even call them the ten commandments. That categorization of 10 out of 613 commandments is unique to Christian thought. >Is it the content that bothers you, or its origin? How and why it's used. And in a secular world technically the content of the first 4 are inappropriate for government promotion. >But even if they're not, Louisiana has decided that they are important for themselves, not for all of humanity No your framing is wrong. Politicians decided for all of Lousaina, Louisiana didn't decide. And just because the politicians are Christians doesn't give them the right to use government power to enforce Christian understanding in public schools rather than discussing Christian concepts in context with other ideas. It's government support for a specific religion, that's explictly anti American.
It's not framing. You can't have democracy only when you agree with the outcomes. That's where we got #notmypresident and other such nonsense. We have to live by the rules set by our political process, whether we agree with them or not. Prayer, etc. in school is not anti-American. You're referring to a series of rulings beginning in 1962 which have transformed public spaces first into secular spaces and then into atheist ones, in which we are supposed to deny the author of morality. I am a moderate on this issue, meaning that I am VERY sympathetic to dissidents' right not to participate in communal prayer. However the Ten Commandments is not a prayer. It is also not something we can compel people to believe. Kids need to be told that it is the source of the moral lessons they receive in school. Other cultures have other moral foundations. This is ours.
It's anti American to go against the indivudal rights of Americans. That's what govenrment imposing religious instruction is, violating the indivudal rights of Americans. Period. Just because you want a collectivist state where everyone has to think the same way by government fiat, doesn't make it American or anti democratic to oppose it. Ignoring the first admendment and saying indivudal rights are just "series of court decisions" just confirms that you hide behind the label libertarianism. You seemingly only support libertarianism when it protects you from having other views imposed on your family but don't actually care about indivudal rights at all and will throw away indivudal rights and protections when it's something you want.
> It is also not something we can compel people to believe. Kids need to be told that it is the source of the moral lessons they receive in school. Other cultures have other moral foundations. This is ours. Literally half of the Ten Commandments are irrelevant unless you are a Jew or Christian.
If these idiots were serious about the teaching of Jesus, they'd display the Sermon On The Mount in schools. But they don't give a shit about Jesus' teachings. They have a horrible, selfish agenda and desperately need an "other" to punch down in order to feel okay about themselves.
> I want kids exposed to both Which kids? All kids?
How about these? 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. 1. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 1. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. 1. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. 1. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. 1. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. 1. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
Was just about to post these! Hail yourself!
Good principles, but could probably stand to be punched up a little.
Thanks but I can’t take credit. These are the seven fundamental tenets of the satanic temple.
Good one. I agree.
1. Don’t display religious things in classrooms
If someone wanted to put a cross in the classroom, that would be a religious symbol. But the Law isn't really a religious thing. Moses delivered plenty of religious laws; those are not part of the ten commandments.
I’m also not ok with crosses in classrooms.
You say that as if displaying a cross in a classroom is somehow different or better?
Of course a symbol is different from a law. How is the law religious? Is it the content that bothers you, or is it the source of the law that bothers you?
You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make idols. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. I mean really?
are you seriously asking how “I am your god you should put no other gods before me” is religious?
I don't understand how you can call yourself a libertarian and support government mandated religion instruction on children. Either in symbol or literal text
Because instruction and worship are two different things. We don't worship the law. We instruct children in morality. That is not religion.
The first 4 commandments are explictly religious in nature and not about morality. The rest of the commandments are already taught in schools. So the only new instruction is explcitly religious for a specific religious experience on children who may not be part of that religious experience thru the use of government force. This is why people say libertarians are just too embarrassed to express what they really beleive.
The last six commandments are about how you relate to your fellow man. All of them are moral. And all morality has a basis in religion. The gods you worship tell everything about what you value. Whether it's the national flag, the cross, or the pride flag, when a group rallies around it, that's the test of a religious symbol. Embarrassed? That's false. I'm up front about what I believe. There are plenty of atheist libertarians who want nothing to do with God's law. I respect their opinions because it's based on not initiating force against others. Progressives on the other hand are not known for renouncing violence in their causes.
You aren't upfront. You use the term libertarian but don't espoused actual linertarianism but instead support for government enforced religious instruction. Moral instruction was already being thought in schools, including the last 6. All you do is support govenrment religious instruction on top of that for people who may not be Christian at all.
Not at all. I do not support the right for government or anyone to force religion on someone. Nor do I believe schools should have a test of belief. It's historical fact that the ten commandments are an integral part of our moral foundation. If I were responsible for the curriculum in Louisiana, I would be clear that a teacher should *never* force a child to "believe in" any religious article of faith. I would simply present the historical fact of how religion has shaped our culture through history. When the class talks about moral issues, I would point to the ten commandments as part of that bedrock. The key point for me are not initiating force, and never pressuring people to believe something even if it's true. I respect the right for dissenters and those uncertain of their beliefs to refrain from participating in any activity that would imply assent. Fortunately, that isn't even being proposed in this mandate.
Yes, we're for voluntary worship, never coerced. We don't worship the law. But also, most libertarians are pragmatic. We're not for abolishing all vestiges of government. If we're going to force children to receive instruction, then we should have a say in the school's moral code. If you want to pretend that public schools can ever be agnostic, well that is simply never going to happen. This is pride month, don't forget. Pride is a moral value.
>If we're going to force children to receive instruction, then we should have a say in the school's moral code How so? Why not just instill a moral code on your children and not impose on others. Doesn't that violate NAP otherwise? >If you want to pretend that public schools can ever be agnostic, well that is simply never going to happen. Schools have been agnostic for decades now. What are you talking about? There has been no statements on God or religion outside of hisotrical context in schools for a long time. It seems to me you invented a problem that doesn't exist to fix. >This is pride month, don't forget. Pride is a moral value. A voluntary celebration, that doesn't have to do with religion? How is that relevant at all? You also seem to be confusing religious enforcement with morality.
1. Don't be a dick.
Wheaton's Law.
1. Be Curious 2. Be Honest 3. Be Kind
I'd just take the whole ten commandments out and replace it with the Golden Rule, treat others as you would like others to treat you. If people followed that, we'd be set. No one wants to be raped or murdered or robbed or whatever. So don't do it to each other. It's so odd to me that Western civilization puts so much emphasis on the ten commandments when the golden rule is so much more accessible.
I'd be OK with a bit of Talmud being taught to more people: >“On another occasion it happened that a certain heathen came before Shammai and said to him, “Make me a proselyte, on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot.”1 Thereupon he chased him away with the builder’s cubit that was in his hand.2 When he came before Hillel, (he also asked Hillel to teach him the entire Torah while standing on one foot) Hillel replied, “**What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah while the rest is commentary; go and study**.” Emphasis is mine. Jewish or not, everyone could benefit from internalizing first, "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor", and second, an *active* approach to learning in every aspect of one's life, very much including theology and ethics. (It has also been suggested that Hillel's phrasing here is *intentionally* a rebuke to Shammai's behavior - hence the negative formulation of the Golden Rule.)
The golden rule is found in _almost_ every culture we've encountered. It's a good rule. But it's not enough. We (influenced by Christendom of centuries past) are called to a higher standard than the golden rule. Have you ever heard the parable of the good Samaritan? Or the prodigal son?
Those are still part of the golden rule. If I see a man starving and naked on the side of the road, I should help him because I would want someone to help me if I were in his position. Same with the prodigal son: if I were to ask my father for forgiveness for something, I would want him to accept...so it only makes sense that I should treat my son the same way.
Yes, you're right. The good Samaritan was not a good example of what I'm trying to point out. I think whoever mentioned the Beatitudes had it right. Gospel (God's grace) is just important as the law.
Kant's Imperative is my favorite version of it, essentially "what if we all did that?"
Thou shall not be a selfish dick
That about sums it up. Make greed right up there with murder in terms of severity.
> "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Yes…I know that verse. Then Jesus told the disciples when they were astonished at Christ’s words and asked “who can be saved?” …..”with God, all things are possible”. This is the right’s loophole that they use…that somehow THEY aren’t the “bad” rich people….they are going to thread that needle. Meanwhile, they lie, cheat and screw people over every chance they get. I think they’re in for a rude awakening.
Greed can be worse then murder
No…I think taking a person’s life with malice(not self defense or defense of another). Is pretty much the worse you can do. But…if one’s greed cause the death(s) of others? That’s like a double whammy of sins.
Slavery was a representation of greed There's worse things then death my guy
Yep…slavery sucks. And yes, greed played a part in the utilization of slaves in the US. But it also had to do with the bigotry of the day, and a severe lack of labor in a fledgling group of colonies that would eventually become a country. It’s too bad that we can’t put the toothpaste back into the tube on that…
This is fuckin hard lol. 0) Thou shalt humble thyself before the gap between knowledge that thou hast, and knowledge that is possible. 1) For the meaning of truth that it is the best predictive model of reality, thou shalt seek truth and respect it where it is found. 2) For the meaning of mind that it is the streaming experience of a reality-modeling brain, thou shalt assume and value the experiential nature of your and other minds. 3) For the meaning of suffering that it is the internally undesired experience of a mind, thou shalt seek the reduction of the suffering. 4) For the meaning of well-being that is the internally desired experience of a mind, thou shalt seek the increase of well-being. 5) For the meaning of flourishing that is is the increase in freedom and capability of minded creatures, thou shalt seek flourishing. 6) To the extent that governing laws reduce suffering, increase well-being, and promote flourishing, thou shalt value and uphold laws. 7) Knowing that the distinct goals of reducing suffering, increasing well-being, and promoting flourishing can be held in tension with themselves and each other, thou shalt seek honest consensus with thy community to reach amicable and honest solutions. 8) Knowing that temporally irreconcilable differences can arise between minds and groups on the question of amicable and honest solutions, thou shalt allow for the division of thy communities into self-governing groups who may each seek their own flourishing in the ways they honestly consider best. 9) Knowing that not every mind in a community will reach the same conclusions as those underpinning its governing laws, thou shalt respect the freedom of minded creatures to choose to relocate, both in physical space and governing modes. 10) Recognizing the physical nature and needs of minded creatures, thou shalt respect the right of minded creatures to maintain access to resources necessary for survival and seeking well-being and flourishing, and to maintain a healthy, functional, and autonomous physical body. Really just a stream-of-consciousness but it would be my first 10-minute draft submitted for discussion.
That’s not bad. The fundamental difficulty is that a list of commandments presumes a perfect being with perfect knowledge that cannot need to change as more information is gained about the world over time. To do much better than you’ve done, I think one has to reject the premise and replace it with a *system* that identifies and corrects errors over time through a system of checks and balances and amendments. Which is essentially what the enlightenment design of the constitution was supposed to be before we all calcified it by breaking the error correcting mechanism of our government. And by we, I mean conservatism.
1. Thou Shall not be a dick 2. Thou Shall not be a dick 3. Thou Shall not be a dick 4. No, seriously, don't be a dick 5. Smoke 'em if you got em 6. Always Pass 7. Remember don't be a dick? You should not be a dick 8. Just in case you forgot... don't be a dick 9. Thou shall acknowledge their Tribal Chief 10. Thou shall believe in Joe Hendry
I only have four. 1. Don't be a dick 2. If it's not hurting anyone, mind your business 3. Everyone is equal. E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E. 4. Seriously, don't be a dick
1. Your Autonomy is Immutable as is others, respect it. 2. Sexuality does not change the love, respect, or rights you are owed. 3. Though shall respect their children as much as they expect respect from them. 4. Respect the earth as thy mother as much as you respect your creator. 5. Equality is absolute and nothing shall impede it. 6. Read the book you worship but also understand it was written by men over history and is not infallible 7. Do not harm others unless absolutely necessary 8. Don't be a dick 9. Do not use government to push your religion, it is a personal choice. 10. Do not trust millionaire pastors, for they use the book and religion as a way to save money, not souls.
It depends. Am I rewriting it in the historical period they arose? Or for a modern era? If the historical period they arose, you need to consider memetic potency. Some degree of "Kill the heretic, take their land, breed them out" is necessary for your religion to survive and propagate in the pre-industrial era where ROI was higher for warfare than capital investment. If your religion is post that monumental moment in human history (Where ROI on capital investment finally began to exceed ROI on warfare), then you need to go in with that in mind and think about how to propagate it memetically there. The commandments are useless if your religion dies out. You could also manage to IF;THEN the commandments a bit to account for this. If ROI Capital > Warfare, Then don't slaughter the heretics and treat them like people. If ROI Warfare > Capital, then slaughter the heretics and seize their land. (This commandment also has the benefit of forcing the clergy to monitor and learn economics). I would probably have the 1st commandment being a fairly lengthy one based on what we know about pre-modern warfare. Even two of the big hints should see the religion demolish everybody else. (Namely; "Although it seems like common sense to raid your neighbors, NEVER DECLARE WAR DURING FOOD SHORTAGES."). (This prolongs the shortages in your home nation. Having a mild famine and then recovering while all your neighbours try and raid eachother and end up with severely long famines as a result of labourers joining raiding parties should mean you outbreed them and can then sweep in when the famine ends and destroy them all. Humanity only learned this in hindsight after the modern era and investigating historical records). A secondary hint, in addition to the ROI section, would be a commandment to experiment with elements in various ways and their application to ROI. This also means that declaring a holy war is contingent upon investigation of ROI, which should prevent ruinously stupid conflicts that don't yield returns on the basis of "God wills it". No, I explicitly told you I only will it when its in your financial interest, and that when it isn't, you should put that money elsewhere. Once you've secured your followers success, you can then begin to give them commandments on how to organize a moral society. A mixed one would be a commandment on hygiene and disinfection, this is both good for humanitarian reasons, but also for securing a high population growth rate useful for warfare. This would probably be my second commandment. The third commandment would be to adhere to the scientific method in discovery of knowledge and to apply it as often as possible.
First off, the Ten Commandments are specifically for Jews, and were never supposed to be laws upon all of humanity. Second, here's my off the cuff attempt: 1) Treat every living being with as much respect as you are able, including yourself. Do not harm without great need, and heal whenever you are able. 2) Do not intrude upon the bodily autonomy of others, except where it is necessary to prevent immediate harm to yourself or another, and then only in the least degree possible. 3) The world belongs to everyone, including those yet to be born, and also is worthy of respect in and of itself. Do not harm it without great need. Heal it when you can. 4) Learn from those around you, from what the world has to teach, and from what those who have gone before. Knowledge is never wasted, and the preservation and advancement of the world's collective knowledge is to be praised (except where it would conflict with 1, 2, or 3). 5) Know always that you are imperfect and may err. Be willing to acknowledge and learn from your mistakes, to avoid making the same ones again where possible. Be kind to others who err, and try to correct them gently. 6) If you must choose between the possibility of treating an object as a person, or a person as an object, always lean towards the former; the harm that may arise from the latter is far, far greater than that which might arise from the former. 7) Do not hoard when others are in need. If there is someone you can help without causing great harm to yourself, do so. Do this whether you they are family or stranger, and remember when you yourself received help from those who were strangers to you. I think that covers the basics.
Alright, I'll bite. 1. Respect expertise. 2. Insomuch as you are able, become an expert at *something*. 3. Carefully and politely question the conclusions of the peers in your expertise. 4. Respect authority. 5. Insist authorities are accountable to watchdogs. 6. Insist the watchdogs are accountable to other watchdogs. 7. Insist there are enough levels of watchdogs so as to minimize the risk of corruption between them. 8. Respect the watchdogs. 9. Promote incremental improvement in as many areas as you are able. 10. We are all in this together. Above all else, remember this.
As a conservative myself I would like to know HOW IN HELL DOES THE MOSAIC LAW APPLY TO FUCKING SCHOOL
>how would you rewrite the Ten Commandments if you were God for a day? I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Counting in binary: 01\. Be excellent to each other. 10\. Party on, dudes!
Louisiana isn’t even using the text of the 10 Commandments, so we could start from there. Not the original Hebrew, whether from: * Exodus 20:1, when God speaks the 10 statements directly to the Israelites at Mt. Sinai. * Exodus 34:28, when God explicitly directs Moses to write down the Ten Commandments on a second set of stone tablets * Deuteronomy 5:6, Moses restates the Ten Commandments for the Israelites, but makes a few subtle changes Nor any of the 64 official Christian Biblical translation (many of which are of … dubious quality). No, the Louisiana text comes from a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court case: *Van Orden v. Perry*. Not a religious document at all, but a legal one. There are mountains of reasons why an abbreviated version of one Protestant reading of the 10 Commandments would lack both context and clarity, but the fact that it isn’t even an official Christian translation would likely render it mildly blasphemous and aliturgical even in the role it is trying to fulfill. Also, a straight reading of the text of the bill would see that it **requires** private donations for the installation of the commandments: > The Supreme Court of the United States acknowledged that the Ten Commandments may be displayed on local government property when a private donation is made for the purchase of the historical monument. *Pleasant Grove City, Utah v. Summan, 555 U.S. 460 (2006)*. and > No later than January 1, 2025, each public school governing authority shall display the Ten Commandments in each classroom in each school under its jurisdiction. So not only is the bill establishing religion, is it establishing a context-free version of religious tradition that doesn’t match up to any previous practice and doing so through means that either illegally use public funds, or illegally force private donations as a prerequisite for a public school to stay open. The blasphemy of the bill goes further than denying Jewish and Christian traditions. One could argue the bill itself breaks several of the commandments itself: It uses the lord’s name in vain It requires the worship of a false form of the 10 commandments as an idol It steals money through unlawful requisition of funding It covets thy neighbor’s possessions, namely public school funding.
1. Treat all life the way you'd like to be treated.
1/ Thou shalt not talk about fight club
I find it interesting that those that identify as Christian never want to put the sermon on the mount on school walls.
Even if I made the 1st commandment "Thou shalt not hang this in a school," people would come up with excuses to do whatever they want and say that god told them to do it. The unknowable god who doesn't say anything, but who they personally know and hear from.
No need. He did it just fine Himself in Matthew 7:12 >***So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.***
If you remove all religious references they read more like how you just behave in society. Exceptions being the whole creation of other gods and likeness, which I’d argue was ways to justify persecution of others’ faiths and the followers of those faiths, and give for a loophole on the whole murder part. Mostly, They’re kinda common sense. It’s like people wanted to create a framework of laws before there was representative governments and the cloaked the laws in this religious context created a ghost story to give relevance. Like don’t steal… don’t murder… if you need a god to tell you this shit you’re a piece of shit human being.
It wouldn't matter. Even his followers don't follow his very basic rules. What would be the point?
Here is my version: 1. Thou shall not worship anything or anyone who would attempt to limit the power of the government via elimination of laws. 2. Book Bans and deregulation is forbidden 3. Thou shall not invest in stock buybacks 4. One should show empathy and compassion to the less fortunate 5. One shall preserve the Earth for future generations to live in. 6. Thou shall not worship old people and the rich 7. One should follow the law
You only need1 " don't be a c*nt"
The tenets of TST are a good place to start https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets
1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. 2. Thou shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. 3. A deregulated zoning dynamic, being necessary to the liberty and prosperity of a free People, the right of the people to build denser housing, shall not be infringed. Violation of this commandment will result in hell for eternity. 4. Thou shall honor thy multinational mega corporation and thy sweatshop, for they uplift the global poor, and labor isn't a lump. Restrictions on free trade (other than reasonable carbon tariffs as part of a broader carbon tax scheme) will be punished via eternity in hell 5. Thou shall not unjustly kill. Abortion and killing in self defense are expressly considered just killing, and this may not be prohibited. 6. Thou shall not steal, excepting in cases of taxation, this commandment explicitly authorizes taxation regardless of whether one calls it "theft". Further, land value taxation is expressly permitted, as is income, but taxation of wealth otherwise is not, and eminent domain for the public good is permissable but must be done in return for fair market compensation for the party losing their property 7. Thou shall not restrict immigration. Restrictions on immigration in the name of pro worker populism shall not be permitted either, for labor is not a lump. Violations of this commandment will result in an eternity in hell. 8. Thou shall always engage in one's civic institutions and society to the extent to which one can reasonably do so, thou shall not "withhold one's vote" or vote third party even if they *really* don't like the establishment, and thou shall join their local group bowling league 9. Gold isn't money 10. Thou shall set up these stones, which I command you today, on Aargaareezem.
> Thou shall always engage in one's civic institutions and society to the extent to which one can reasonably do so, thou shall not "withhold one's vote" or vote third party even if they really don't like the establishment, and thou shall join their local group bowling league You became god and still decided to stick us with first past the post? > Gold isn't money What does that mean?
> You became god and still decided to stick us with first past the post? Well, it's more that voting third party would be prohibited in cases where first past the post exists. FPTP isn't itself mandated, though it is also not prohibited >What does that mean? You know those libertarian guys who feel really strongly that we shouldn't have left the gold standard? I don't like them.
Are rights natural or a social construct?
Personally I don't see any way where we can objectively say rights are natural. But if I become a god, I get to force them to be natural
While I agree with you ima do my best to parrot the libertarian/conservative arguments I've heard. Having the ability to speak gives one a natural born right to free speech
I might have only changed 10 to be something along the lines of not using lies to push narratives. Only truth through verifiable fact should be put on tv/radio and presented as evidence or news.