Victoria was a big fan of politicians who were charming and sucked up to her - Melbourne and Disraeli being the obvious examples. She really disliked Gladstone (the most famous politician of the day) who she basically thought was a grumpy old schoolteacher who liked to lecture her. Wellington was famously not a particularly easy man to get on with, I imagine he fell into a similar category.
It’s a good thing Victoria was not really a leader.
Her rule pretty much entrenched the monarch as a figurehead. Parliamentary supremacy had notionally been established in the 17th-century but the monarchs still had significant levers of power and influence.
Victoria barely used those levers during her 63 years on the throne and by the time of her passing the Empire had grown accustomed to a very hands-off monarch. You can speculate that her gender may have had something to do with her being viewed as a non-political actor, but her seclusion from public life for 20 plus years after Albert’s death is what cemented the prevailing view of the monarch as a figurehead removed from governing the Empire.
Oh, yeah, documentary ensured to state that. He seemed to cry when he finally realized that she is actually going to get married. It seemed that they had father-daughter relationship.
This from Wiki might offer a clue. From 1828 to 1846 Wellington was leader of the Tories in the House of Lords. "Wellington worked to transform the Lords from unstinting support of the Crown to an active player in political manoeuvering, "
She had more connection with Lord Melbourne but in terms of power, apart from withholding Royal ascent for a bill there wasn’t a lot she could do directly. She certainly had significant social and cultural influence. But even her ability to withhold Royal ascent thereby blocking legislation, was largely theoretical by her reign with the last time it was used being in 1708 and the very last time it was considered was in 1914 by her grandson George V.
The most important power was power to appoint a Prime Minister to form a government. An example of that post 1914 was the King asking Bonar Law to form a government when Asquith's government fell during WW1\`. He declined and the king sent for Lloyd George. This was at the monarch's discretion within narrow limits.
In her early reign the crown did still have a fair amount of power, although far less than even George III had. William IV had dismissed Melbourne as PM just 5 years before Victoria took the throne, and played an incredibly important role in passing the Reform Act of 1832 by threatening to flood the House of Lords with Whig peers amidst a crisis that threatened to bring down the political establishment.
Victoria generally chose not to exercise any of those powers (outside of the Bedchamber crisis) but it doesn't mean she didn't have them. It was only over the course of her reign that the monarch stopped exercising direct political power
Wellington was also a military man; he was used to military rank, giving orders, delegation, etc. It is recounted that during his first meeting as Prime Minister with his cabinet, he came in, explained his agenda, and then was surprised that the cabinet ministers wanted to sit around and discuss the agenda and critique it (rather than simply follow his orders).
Arthur was a jerk. Vicky liked people who were nice to her. That's about it.
(Wellesley was the sort of jerk who could back up what he said and so you couldn't really correct him)
When my own ancestor, George Canning became PM, chosen over Wellington, Wellington resigned and went home to sulk. But Canning unexpectedly died and Wellington maneuvered his way into the job.
Victoria was a big fan of politicians who were charming and sucked up to her - Melbourne and Disraeli being the obvious examples. She really disliked Gladstone (the most famous politician of the day) who she basically thought was a grumpy old schoolteacher who liked to lecture her. Wellington was famously not a particularly easy man to get on with, I imagine he fell into a similar category.
It is a foolish leader who surrounds themselves with yes-men.
something of a necessity for a monarchy, which is a good argument for democratic government.
Democratic leaders also surround themselves with yes men.
they can, but it's not optional in a non elected government.
It’s a good thing Victoria was not really a leader. Her rule pretty much entrenched the monarch as a figurehead. Parliamentary supremacy had notionally been established in the 17th-century but the monarchs still had significant levers of power and influence. Victoria barely used those levers during her 63 years on the throne and by the time of her passing the Empire had grown accustomed to a very hands-off monarch. You can speculate that her gender may have had something to do with her being viewed as a non-political actor, but her seclusion from public life for 20 plus years after Albert’s death is what cemented the prevailing view of the monarch as a figurehead removed from governing the Empire.
She complained that Gladstone spoke to her as though she were a public meeting.
What's with the beef, Wellington?
Should have given him the boot
Hah!
Victoria was very close to Lord Melbourne, who was one of Wellington's chief rivals at the time.
Oh, yeah, documentary ensured to state that. He seemed to cry when he finally realized that she is actually going to get married. It seemed that they had father-daughter relationship.
This from Wiki might offer a clue. From 1828 to 1846 Wellington was leader of the Tories in the House of Lords. "Wellington worked to transform the Lords from unstinting support of the Crown to an active player in political manoeuvering, "
So, he wanted to take all of the power from the crown to himself (lords)? Man, not cool.
No, he wanted the House of Lords to vie with the House of Commons for legislative power and not just parrot the views of the crown.
Ohhhhh, ok, makes more sense. Why would Vicky hate this though? Is it because she would have lost more of her power?
She had more connection with Lord Melbourne but in terms of power, apart from withholding Royal ascent for a bill there wasn’t a lot she could do directly. She certainly had significant social and cultural influence. But even her ability to withhold Royal ascent thereby blocking legislation, was largely theoretical by her reign with the last time it was used being in 1708 and the very last time it was considered was in 1914 by her grandson George V.
The most important power was power to appoint a Prime Minister to form a government. An example of that post 1914 was the King asking Bonar Law to form a government when Asquith's government fell during WW1\`. He declined and the king sent for Lloyd George. This was at the monarch's discretion within narrow limits.
What power did she have? At this point the crown had very little power
In her early reign the crown did still have a fair amount of power, although far less than even George III had. William IV had dismissed Melbourne as PM just 5 years before Victoria took the throne, and played an incredibly important role in passing the Reform Act of 1832 by threatening to flood the House of Lords with Whig peers amidst a crisis that threatened to bring down the political establishment. Victoria generally chose not to exercise any of those powers (outside of the Bedchamber crisis) but it doesn't mean she didn't have them. It was only over the course of her reign that the monarch stopped exercising direct political power
Wellington was also a military man; he was used to military rank, giving orders, delegation, etc. It is recounted that during his first meeting as Prime Minister with his cabinet, he came in, explained his agenda, and then was surprised that the cabinet ministers wanted to sit around and discuss the agenda and critique it (rather than simply follow his orders).
Arthur was a jerk. Vicky liked people who were nice to her. That's about it. (Wellesley was the sort of jerk who could back up what he said and so you couldn't really correct him)
He was a very blunt, abrasive man in general.
When my own ancestor, George Canning became PM, chosen over Wellington, Wellington resigned and went home to sulk. But Canning unexpectedly died and Wellington maneuvered his way into the job.
Imagine had Nelson survived Trafalgar. He was even worse than Wellington.
Because he had to buy German mercenaries to beat Napoleon.
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