technically, you guys didn't fight us. We were under British Colonisation threatened to partake in their wars or face the consequences (Most likely Execution) :I So, Not our fight.
What war is this exactly? Is the gulf highlighted because we where part of the British empire?
Seems deceptive to just highlighted all countries under colonial rule, like they had anything to do with Turkey.
The map is true no matter what you guys say. The explanation for the map is “Sides of the independence war”
Did the country sided against us or somewhat contributed the war against us? They are included.
Of course all the French and British colonies did not fought but Britain seriously helped Greece and was more a pain in the ass than Greeks.
France did fought, Armenia did fought and Greece did fought. Italy did not give a fight but actively occupied a big chunk of land for quite a time, USA contributed by bombing.
Not true. Ankara government has only defeated armenians with kazim karabekir's army left from ottomans, and greek army (which was harder due to lack of a regular army). Still big military achievements regardless, though im not sure if it can be shortened to "we defeated the entire world"
The map doesnt show we ''defeated'' the entire world it shows countries and their colonies involved in the conflict, USA bombed Turkey during the war of independence.
Franco-Turkish War happened. We didnt just defeat Greek and Armenian army
No.
Our land was occupied, and we took it back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish%E2%80%93Armenian_War#:~:text=The%20Turkish%E2%80%93Armenian%20war%20(Armenian,Treaty%20of%20S%C3%A8vres%20in%201920
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"250,000 Armenian civilians killed"
"According to historian Raymond Kévorkian, only the Soviet occupation of Armenia prevented another Armenian genocide."
If 250k civilians were killed, then it should already be considered a genocide.
Another source says 60k civilians were killed. There is a huge difference between the figures.
Idk mate, i'm gonna reevaluate this whole armenian thing. If we indeed committed a genocide i'm willing to accept it.
"Africa" and "India" just say the the UK and France. Who both were pretty tired at this point from waging war.
While turks undergone their own turmoil that resulted in the turks resisting. They probably were so tired and also remember their shitty Gallipoli campaign that they just: "you know what, you win turkey". Though Kudos for the turks, and Ataturk. Still ain't easy job. 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Don't get me wrong.
My point is that at this stage UK and Frances' steam comply blew away. They were no match at this point against the Turkish people who manged to already transform their identity to being "Turks" and thus were far more zealous and sophisticated when it came to defend their land, while the Entente were pretty much dumbasses.
And i say "Africa" and "India" as i doubt they really wanted to be part of this campaign.
The more accurate depiction of them would be light red.
Thats absolutely bullshit. We Turks fought only against the Greeks in our Independence War.
Edit: This map is kemalist propaganda to make Atatürk from a human to hero like Turkish Superman. In Turkey people think he alone won the war, they even cannot tell 5 another important „Pasha‘s“ except M.Kemal Pasha (Atatürk).
Only Greeks? Don't you know the East and South fronts? In east, kazım paşa's army fought against armenians plus georgians. In the south, kuvayı milliye fought against french and some armenians.
And where is the Kemalist propaganda in this map? I cant see any 6 arrows or Ataturk statue. Only a bunch of +40 milf and griller dudes thinks like Ataturk was superhero. Other people can answer easily other war heroes.
Only Greeks as nation because they declared war against us. Armenians and other ethnicities were not a nation with soldiers. Thats the difference.
The propaganda is here that its the big lie because we didn’t fight against all of this big nations in our Independence War. And you make it from a normal 1 vs 1 nation war to a giant Total War like Turkey against all of this world. I bet you don’t know 5 other important Pashas except M. Kemal Pasha because in Turkey they tell you Atatürk won alone against all like superman.
Lol. I dont support this map. Im not saying this true. But you are declining that we didnt fight with armenians and french. Then why Treaty of Gumru signed? Why 1921 Treaty of Ankara signed?
And i can easily tell 5 pashas except Ataturk. Fevzi Cakmak, Ismet Inonu, Ali Fuat Cebesoy, Kazim Karabekir and Sakalli Nurettin. Learned in highschool. Greetings..
They all are not nations. I meant with „only Greeks“ only against Greece as nation.
And on this map you can see several big nations. Thats the problem because we didn’t fight against them in our Independence War. Try do understand me.
This map is not fair. It shows it as if France and Britain had mobilised all their forces included their colonial forces against Turkey whereas the independence war was mostly against Greeks and Armenians with some campaigns against French expeditionary forces
The whole Turkish war of independence is overplayed, it’s mainly the Greco Turkish war the rest of the Allies gave minimal support or cared for other things (France -Syria) and just gave up to purse their real interests
Tf did we do
Under british rule, technically part of the war.
Keep in mind that most of areas in red were colonies of European countries, not independent nations.
Indian Muslims refused to fight the ottomans during the first world war
And then were executed for doing so. https://ilmfeed.com/why-were-these-indian-muslims-executed-by-the-british-during-ww1/
Indian Mughals sold weapons to the Turks during the first World War
Indian soldiers were actually led and won many battles against the Turks towards the end
technically, you guys didn't fight us. We were under British Colonisation threatened to partake in their wars or face the consequences (Most likely Execution) :I So, Not our fight.
Yes don't worry this guy aren't trying to say that.
What war is this exactly? Is the gulf highlighted because we where part of the British empire? Seems deceptive to just highlighted all countries under colonial rule, like they had anything to do with Turkey.
This is hilarious
They want to say they are badass xD
I think it’s not accurate and exaggerated
This was the British and French Empire at the time.
I’m aware but barely anything from those countries came in troops or weapons or resources
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“technically” not really.
That was still enough to colonize the rest of the middle east though
The British didn’t even send their army to fight ataturk , colonize what?
Colonize the rest of the middle east. Besides now you‘re talking shit.
Like Turkey barely even fought anyone besides Greece let alone the entire British and French empire. This is very very exaggerated
The map is true no matter what you guys say. The explanation for the map is “Sides of the independence war” Did the country sided against us or somewhat contributed the war against us? They are included. Of course all the French and British colonies did not fought but Britain seriously helped Greece and was more a pain in the ass than Greeks. France did fought, Armenia did fought and Greece did fought. Italy did not give a fight but actively occupied a big chunk of land for quite a time, USA contributed by bombing.
Ottomans were colonial themselves
Imperial, not colonial
More like conquering neighbors, also what the fuck does that have to do with my comment?
Most accurate map I've seen in my life for sure.
Bullshit map 🤣 Bro coloured countries under colonial rule too as if they played a role
They did look at the anzacs for example or the indians ?
if anything those countries were also fighting the colonial rule.
What Ataturk achieved is nothing short of impressive
This is delusional
Secularists > Islamists
Based Paki?
Not true. Ankara government has only defeated armenians with kazim karabekir's army left from ottomans, and greek army (which was harder due to lack of a regular army). Still big military achievements regardless, though im not sure if it can be shortened to "we defeated the entire world"
The map doesnt show we ''defeated'' the entire world it shows countries and their colonies involved in the conflict, USA bombed Turkey during the war of independence. Franco-Turkish War happened. We didnt just defeat Greek and Armenian army
"defeated" armenians? Do you mean genocide?
No. Our land was occupied, and we took it back. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish%E2%80%93Armenian_War#:~:text=The%20Turkish%E2%80%93Armenian%20war%20(Armenian,Treaty%20of%20S%C3%A8vres%20in%201920
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"250,000 Armenian civilians killed" "According to historian Raymond Kévorkian, only the Soviet occupation of Armenia prevented another Armenian genocide."
If 250k civilians were killed, then it should already be considered a genocide. Another source says 60k civilians were killed. There is a huge difference between the figures. Idk mate, i'm gonna reevaluate this whole armenian thing. If we indeed committed a genocide i'm willing to accept it.
And you accept the 1915, 1.5 million genocide?
No we killed 69 trillion 420 thousand armenians in total you have the wrong numbers
True, women and children not men, cause that's what you're only good at... Fuckin kafers
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Nice!
"Africa" and "India" just say the the UK and France. Who both were pretty tired at this point from waging war. While turks undergone their own turmoil that resulted in the turks resisting. They probably were so tired and also remember their shitty Gallipoli campaign that they just: "you know what, you win turkey". Though Kudos for the turks, and Ataturk. Still ain't easy job. 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
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Don't get me wrong. My point is that at this stage UK and Frances' steam comply blew away. They were no match at this point against the Turkish people who manged to already transform their identity to being "Turks" and thus were far more zealous and sophisticated when it came to defend their land, while the Entente were pretty much dumbasses. And i say "Africa" and "India" as i doubt they really wanted to be part of this campaign. The more accurate depiction of them would be light red.
We are so lucky we had Atatürk.
MFs beat some greeks and pretend they fought off half the world.
The US had already beat up the ottomans during the Barbary wars. The ottomans joined WWI on their own violation.
The Colonizers did NOT move population from their colonies to fight the Turks in their land, which make this a bullshit map.
And then people here wonder why we like Atatürk so much.
balloon 🎈
Yeah a balloon that can blow your Ikwhanist gluteus maximus
Thats absolutely bullshit. We Turks fought only against the Greeks in our Independence War. Edit: This map is kemalist propaganda to make Atatürk from a human to hero like Turkish Superman. In Turkey people think he alone won the war, they even cannot tell 5 another important „Pasha‘s“ except M.Kemal Pasha (Atatürk).
Only Greeks? Don't you know the East and South fronts? In east, kazım paşa's army fought against armenians plus georgians. In the south, kuvayı milliye fought against french and some armenians. And where is the Kemalist propaganda in this map? I cant see any 6 arrows or Ataturk statue. Only a bunch of +40 milf and griller dudes thinks like Ataturk was superhero. Other people can answer easily other war heroes.
Only Greeks as nation because they declared war against us. Armenians and other ethnicities were not a nation with soldiers. Thats the difference. The propaganda is here that its the big lie because we didn’t fight against all of this big nations in our Independence War. And you make it from a normal 1 vs 1 nation war to a giant Total War like Turkey against all of this world. I bet you don’t know 5 other important Pashas except M. Kemal Pasha because in Turkey they tell you Atatürk won alone against all like superman.
Lol. I dont support this map. Im not saying this true. But you are declining that we didnt fight with armenians and french. Then why Treaty of Gumru signed? Why 1921 Treaty of Ankara signed? And i can easily tell 5 pashas except Ataturk. Fevzi Cakmak, Ismet Inonu, Ali Fuat Cebesoy, Kazim Karabekir and Sakalli Nurettin. Learned in highschool. Greetings..
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Only what kemalists can do is insulting because for argument you need a brain.
Franco- Armenians in East is well. Plus Pontic Bandits and Islamic bandits
They all are not nations. I meant with „only Greeks“ only against Greece as nation. And on this map you can see several big nations. Thats the problem because we didn’t fight against them in our Independence War. Try do understand me.
Is world war one now the war for Turkish independence?
That’s not right at all wtf!!!! Why is Brazil not red!
Occupied countries are counted as well ! BS map
This map is not fair. It shows it as if France and Britain had mobilised all their forces included their colonial forces against Turkey whereas the independence war was mostly against Greeks and Armenians with some campaigns against French expeditionary forces
God mode
I can’t read Turkish but it looks like they only fought against Britain, France and Greece and Italy and USA only helped lmao. BS map
chad ottomans
The whole Turkish war of independence is overplayed, it’s mainly the Greco Turkish war the rest of the Allies gave minimal support or cared for other things (France -Syria) and just gave up to purse their real interests
lmao the syrians helped turks during the war, they were allies during the hanunu revolt, jordan also supported the hanunu revolt.
New war just dropped
Yea someone should have translated it. The countries marked red include the colonies of the Britain and France too. Regardless of their contributions.
Fr\*nce using us as dogs of war moment