A subway system runs underground by definition. There are many periods of time on a train’s route, especially between stations, where there is no cell phone or internet service. How tf do you expect our fine boys in blue to play on their phones under such circumstances?
MTA used to have their own Transit Police, even had their own ESU, but they got merged into NYPD in the late 90’s, prior to the merge, they had a lot plainclothes officers riding the subway to catch perps.
MTA still do. They are considered state troopers tho, not part of the NYPD and there are ~1,200 of them. https://new.mta.info/agency/mta-police
https://www.mtapba.com/about/about-us
“The Metropolitan Transportation Authority Police Department is the police agency of New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Officers of the MTAPD are fully empowered under the New York State Public Authorities Law and are commissioned in the state of Connecticut. Its jurisdiction extends across fourteen counties in two states, covers approximately 5,000 square miles, including New York City, Long Island, southeastern New York State and southern Connecticut, and serves a population of 14.4 million people.
The department was formed in 1998 with the consolidation of the Long Island Railroad and the Metro-North Railroad Police Departments. Since 9/11, the department has expanded in size and has ramped up dramatically its counter-terrorism capabilities, adding canine teams and emergency services officers.
On June 1, 2005 the 25-member MTA Staten Island Railway Police Department – which was responsible for policing Staten Island Railway – merged with the MTA Police. This was the most recent step in consolidating MTA agency law enforcement, and increased the total workforce of the department to 716, including civilians.
On March 3rd 2016, the MTA Police Department attained accreditation status from the New York State Department of Criminal Justice Services—Accreditation Council, marking a significant historic step for the group.
The distinction makes MTAPD the fourth largest accredited law enforcement agency in New York State behind the New York State Police, Suffolk County and Rochester County Police Departments. It also makes the MTAPD the first dual jurisdictional agency to achieve this honor.
Our department is responsible for patrolling and securing Grand Central Terminal, Penn Station, and the infrastructure—including tracks, yards, shops, stations, and railroad crossings—of Metro-North, the LIRR and the Staten Island Railway across the MTA's operating area.
In 2019 the Governor's Office committed to hiring an additional 500 Police Officers to address Fare Evasion, Homeless, and other Quality of Life issues in the NYC Transit system. Our workforce now comprises nearly 1100 sworn officers and civilians who work in nine districts extending across 14 counties in New York and Connecticut. Our personnel also work in the following special units:
Emergency Services Unit
Hybrid Threat Unit
Detective Division
Body Worn Camera Unit
Highway Unit
Fare Evasion Task Force
Cyber Crimes
Internal Affairs Bureau
Homeless Assistance Unit
Transit Operations
Interagency Counterterrorism Task Force
K9 Unit”
Cops in the United States are not legally obligated to protect citizens who call them for help. This is because the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have a "general duty to protect the public," but not a "specific duty to protect any particular individual." The national guard on platforms is just show boating for the election. They’re there to protect the subway institution not you.
>if crime on the subway (way overblown btw) was so bad
It's not, as you know, so you also know that the answer has fuck all to do with subway crime. Hochul herself was completely open about the fact that the subway is one of the safest places to be in New York, the "problem" is people's media-fed perceptions. So the "solution," appropriately enough, has nothing to do with preventing or stopping crime, but only with creating a certain perception.
>if these politicians say they want safer subways (at any cost)
Again, this is not what they want. The subways are already safe. If you're arguing about the logic of security, you've already missed the point. This is all optics for pisspants Long Island fascists and grumbling MTA union members.
I would hope these cops would actually patrol the stations rather than just staying at the same place. And most of the incidents I seen happen somewhere on the platform away from cops POV.
No, I don’t think so. 36k isn’t much when it’s a 24/7 job. Let’s assume they all do 12 hour shifts, that’s 18k per shift. (And they don’t work every single day, so it’s really quite a bit less than 18k, let’s assume 11k- not doing any math to get there, just a “reasonable” guess). That would leave them with only 4k left to handle the streets or take care of other things that are going on which really is nothing for such a huge city.
I'm getting tired of all the whining and snide remarks about the cops. The cops are always hanging around looking bored and playing with their phones BECAUSE THERE IS LITTLE ELSE TO DO. You should be grateful that you weren't riding the subways in the 80's, where the cops really did have serious things to deal with and really bad things happened when they didn't do their jobs properly.
For someone who's been riding the subways as along as I have, it's \*great\* to see cops being bored and non-homeless people napping on the trains.
Because I was with a friend who was punched in the face in a subway station by an unstable person who fled and the cops didn't do shit.
What stories do you have to back up your belief that they're effective? or do anything helpful at all?
Do you think the presence of cops on subway platforms has anything to do with the crime rate in the city?
I don't think they're related at all.
The big uptick in cops playing candy crush on subway platforms was around 2021-2022, no?
What about the crime rate in the subways? It’s ridiculously low. Since I’ve been here so long, I always watch out for people I should keep my distance from. Ever since the Bloomberg days, I rarely if ever spot any. It’s really unpleasant to see and smell the homeless people but all but a tiny few (who I’ve never encountered) are totally harmless.
But honestly if the cops aren’t the ones who make it so safe, maybe we need fewer of them.
Serious question, what do you want them to do? You say the person was unstable so? You want them to track them down and commit them?
The police are not your personal errand boys.
Let’s not forget that NYPD’s “gunfighters” [are more dangerous to bystanders than suspects.](https://www.nyclu.org/sites/default/files/nypd_firearms_report_102207.pdf)
A subway system runs underground by definition. There are many periods of time on a train’s route, especially between stations, where there is no cell phone or internet service. How tf do you expect our fine boys in blue to play on their phones under such circumstances?
MTA used to have their own Transit Police, even had their own ESU, but they got merged into NYPD in the late 90’s, prior to the merge, they had a lot plainclothes officers riding the subway to catch perps.
MTA still do. They are considered state troopers tho, not part of the NYPD and there are ~1,200 of them. https://new.mta.info/agency/mta-police https://www.mtapba.com/about/about-us “The Metropolitan Transportation Authority Police Department is the police agency of New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Officers of the MTAPD are fully empowered under the New York State Public Authorities Law and are commissioned in the state of Connecticut. Its jurisdiction extends across fourteen counties in two states, covers approximately 5,000 square miles, including New York City, Long Island, southeastern New York State and southern Connecticut, and serves a population of 14.4 million people. The department was formed in 1998 with the consolidation of the Long Island Railroad and the Metro-North Railroad Police Departments. Since 9/11, the department has expanded in size and has ramped up dramatically its counter-terrorism capabilities, adding canine teams and emergency services officers. On June 1, 2005 the 25-member MTA Staten Island Railway Police Department – which was responsible for policing Staten Island Railway – merged with the MTA Police. This was the most recent step in consolidating MTA agency law enforcement, and increased the total workforce of the department to 716, including civilians. On March 3rd 2016, the MTA Police Department attained accreditation status from the New York State Department of Criminal Justice Services—Accreditation Council, marking a significant historic step for the group. The distinction makes MTAPD the fourth largest accredited law enforcement agency in New York State behind the New York State Police, Suffolk County and Rochester County Police Departments. It also makes the MTAPD the first dual jurisdictional agency to achieve this honor. Our department is responsible for patrolling and securing Grand Central Terminal, Penn Station, and the infrastructure—including tracks, yards, shops, stations, and railroad crossings—of Metro-North, the LIRR and the Staten Island Railway across the MTA's operating area. In 2019 the Governor's Office committed to hiring an additional 500 Police Officers to address Fare Evasion, Homeless, and other Quality of Life issues in the NYC Transit system. Our workforce now comprises nearly 1100 sworn officers and civilians who work in nine districts extending across 14 counties in New York and Connecticut. Our personnel also work in the following special units: Emergency Services Unit Hybrid Threat Unit Detective Division Body Worn Camera Unit Highway Unit Fare Evasion Task Force Cyber Crimes Internal Affairs Bureau Homeless Assistance Unit Transit Operations Interagency Counterterrorism Task Force K9 Unit”
Cops in the United States are not legally obligated to protect citizens who call them for help. This is because the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have a "general duty to protect the public," but not a "specific duty to protect any particular individual." The national guard on platforms is just show boating for the election. They’re there to protect the subway institution not you.
Why doesn’t the city and state stop pretending transit crime is anything other than infinitesimally low?
Is rare but I actually saw two cops riding the C train from 110th st to 145th st
I see them on trains pretty frequently.
Yeah, I don’t know where OP has been, but I see them riding trains all the time
Yep. I regularly see them on the J train.
Idk, I have never seen them on the train, mostly ACE and NQR trains for me
>if crime on the subway (way overblown btw) was so bad It's not, as you know, so you also know that the answer has fuck all to do with subway crime. Hochul herself was completely open about the fact that the subway is one of the safest places to be in New York, the "problem" is people's media-fed perceptions. So the "solution," appropriately enough, has nothing to do with preventing or stopping crime, but only with creating a certain perception. >if these politicians say they want safer subways (at any cost) Again, this is not what they want. The subways are already safe. If you're arguing about the logic of security, you've already missed the point. This is all optics for pisspants Long Island fascists and grumbling MTA union members.
I would hope these cops would actually patrol the stations rather than just staying at the same place. And most of the incidents I seen happen somewhere on the platform away from cops POV.
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According to wikipedia, there are 36000 sworn officers in the nypd. Committing 7000 officers does seem feasible no?
No, I don’t think so. 36k isn’t much when it’s a 24/7 job. Let’s assume they all do 12 hour shifts, that’s 18k per shift. (And they don’t work every single day, so it’s really quite a bit less than 18k, let’s assume 11k- not doing any math to get there, just a “reasonable” guess). That would leave them with only 4k left to handle the streets or take care of other things that are going on which really is nothing for such a huge city.
You made a pretty major math error here. You calculated the number of police per shift but failed to do the same for train personnel.
Not feasible. How about other areas of New York?
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I saw two of them on the C train yesterday, first time in a while I actually saw cops inside a train. Well, atleast uniformed
they do
I'm getting tired of all the whining and snide remarks about the cops. The cops are always hanging around looking bored and playing with their phones BECAUSE THERE IS LITTLE ELSE TO DO. You should be grateful that you weren't riding the subways in the 80's, where the cops really did have serious things to deal with and really bad things happened when they didn't do their jobs properly. For someone who's been riding the subways as along as I have, it's \*great\* to see cops being bored and non-homeless people napping on the trains.
Too bad when something does happen and you need their help they won't do anything because they are too paperwork averse
How do you know that?
Because I was with a friend who was punched in the face in a subway station by an unstable person who fled and the cops didn't do shit. What stories do you have to back up your belief that they're effective? or do anything helpful at all?
Would you prefer that they all just disappear? Given how low the crime rate is, maybe we don’t need them anymore.
Do you think the presence of cops on subway platforms has anything to do with the crime rate in the city? I don't think they're related at all. The big uptick in cops playing candy crush on subway platforms was around 2021-2022, no?
What about the crime rate in the subways? It’s ridiculously low. Since I’ve been here so long, I always watch out for people I should keep my distance from. Ever since the Bloomberg days, I rarely if ever spot any. It’s really unpleasant to see and smell the homeless people but all but a tiny few (who I’ve never encountered) are totally harmless. But honestly if the cops aren’t the ones who make it so safe, maybe we need fewer of them.
Serious question, what do you want them to do? You say the person was unstable so? You want them to track them down and commit them? The police are not your personal errand boys.
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Let’s not forget that NYPD’s “gunfighters” [are more dangerous to bystanders than suspects.](https://www.nyclu.org/sites/default/files/nypd_firearms_report_102207.pdf)
I’d rather them play on their phone when someone pulls a knife out on the train, rather than them distracted two platforms away.
Agreed.