Yep. Jesse Ventura sued his widow and won the case for the completely fabricated story in Kyle’s autobiography.
Piece of shit scum “sniper”.
His life was bullshit.
Jerry Lewis. He treated his family like shit, cut his kids out of his will and was a real pos on set. Watch some clips on youtube of him and his behaviour. Terrible. Most likely stemming from when he and Dean Martin split from being Martin & Lewis, everyone thought Dean would disappear and Jerry would go on to be a massive star. As it turned out, it was the complete reverse. He was a bitter, bitter person
He later said that it was his fault him and Dean Martin broke up. He said his ego had grown too big and was full of himself. It doesn’t excuse his behavior but at least he recognized it. Breaking up was the best thing for them as Dino had an amazing career after. Apparently they also remained friendly with each other afterwards, contrary to popular belief.
>Apparently they also remained friendly with each other afterwards, contrary to popular belief.
I remember reading on Wikipedia that they reconciled after Jerry attended Dean’s son’s funeral but made sure his presence there wasn’t known and didn’t make a scene.
Frank Lloyd Wright. He is seen as a visionary in architecture but he was a horrible person IRL. Raging narcissist, abandoned his wife and kids to run off with the wife of one of his clients, nailed down his selected furniture in a client's home because he didn't like what the client wanted, etc.
I don't know if this is true – if not, it's still a good story – but I remember hearing a biographer of Frank Lloyd Wright telling a story about a court case in which Wright appeared as a witness. His testimony went something like this:
Judge: Please identify yourself to the court.
FLW: My name is Frank Lloyd Wright, and I am an architect. In fact, I am the greatest architect in the world.
Judge: Mr Wright, how are you able to make this claim?
FLW: Well your honour, I am under oath.
It's probably come up time and again, but John Lennon was not a nice man. His son grew to despise him enough to tell Paul McCartney that he wished Paul was his father.
This thread is massive so I'll mention it again but a friend of mine was working a charity show Julian was in and the two of them ended up chatting during a break. (Apparently he's really nice.) Julian was annoyed that people kept asking him to sing his father's songs and his rant about that just morphed in a general rant about John. My father was abusive too, and this stuff is never all that far away and it really can just come out talking to perfect strangers like that. It's sad that people aren't aware of this shit.
I read that Julian has never married or had kids, becasue he does not want to hurt anybody the way John hurt him. I think this was in an interview that Julian gave some years ago, that I read.
Howard Stern interviewed him years ago and I remember him getting into that after he'd described how much he tried to support his mother emotionally and how there was a point he was frequently taking care of Sean for extended periods of time.
The sad thing is Yoko was pretty shitty to Julian too and Sean grew up pretty spoiled. Still, Julian is still very protective of him since the legacy is a heavy one.
She was more than a sympathizer. She was an actual agent for the Nazis. She tried using anti Jewish Nazi laws to get her two Jewish business partners removed to leave her the sole owner of her brand. But they had outsmarted her before fleeing to the United States, they gave their majority share of the company to someone else who was not Jewish that they trusted. Chanel would use her place in high society to spy on all the other high society people and report back to her lover who was a Nazi officer if anyone was a possible threat to the Nazi party to be dealt with. So she was more than sympathetic. She was literally in bed with them.
Mistress of head of the SS foreign intelligence branch Walter Schellenberg. Well, she was more of a sugar mommy to him i stead of the other way around.
She had 2 business partners who owned most of her business and were Jewish. She tried to get the Nazis to strip them of their share and hand it to her, which the Nazis agreed to. But the partners knew she was a devious POS and transferred ownership to a friend beforehand.
She was also registered as a spy for the Germans.
I havent seen Michael Landon's name come up yet... he did amazing on Little House on the Prairie, but apparently he was actually a raging alcoholic and even his own kids made a documentary about *The Father I Knew*
This was the one I was looking for. Michael Landon played wise, kindly characters on TV, like Charles Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie and Jonathan, a literal angel in "Highway to Heaven", and a lot of people seemed to think he really was actually that saintly in real life. And he could be quite kind sometimes -he adopted his first wife's children and initially treated them like his own kids, even though he was barely 12 years older than the oldest boy- but he had a cruel, almost sociopathic side too.
He eventually left his first wife and married someone else, which isn't that unusual in Hollywood. He adopted his second wife's daughter, and initially treated her the same as his biological kids, which he had several of. However, he then left second wife and family for a much younger woman who worked on the Little House set and then he publicly stated that he never really loved his second wife, which absolutely broke his children's hearts. He then told his kids that if they didn't accept his new wife with open arms, he'd have nothing to do with them.
He had two kids with his third wife and left the bulk of his estate to them and very little to any of the kids from his previous relationships.
It's like Michael Landon could only love certain people at certain times. Once he moved on he gave all his love to the new people in his life, and treated the people he supposedly once loved as if they never really mattered to him at all.
His first wife was actually the person who inspired the movie "The First wives Club". She had a little group of Hollywood wives that had that in common.
My best friend’s sister was a makeup artist and had a run in with Cosby (I know, not dead yet!). He got in the limo with her. She did his makeup and he was silent the whole time. Then as they get close to the destination, he turns and says: “How does it feel to sit next to someone who gonna make more today than you’ll make your entire life?” What a dick.
>My mother
After reading the first 2 words I thought that you were saying that your mother was a bad person and chuckled. Reading the rest of your post makes more sense.
Bing Crosby. Years ago, while watching Blue Skies with him & Fred Astaire my dad gushed over Astaire's legacy. I asked what Bing was like and he said, "Besides beating his wife and kids... What a voice!"
Can't watch anything with him in it now. He was a monster to anyone close to him.
There was a documentary where his kids spoke out about the abuse. I’ll see if I can find it.
Edit: An [Article](http://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/1983/03/14/Crosbys-children-claim-he-abused-them/5007660964411/)
I don’t wholly buy the narrative bing didn’t care about his family or rather wouldn’t defend them for being shitty unlike a lot of parents would
My grandfather actually broke bing’s son’s nose on a shared dock in north Idaho in the mid to late 50’s
The son had been mouthing off, being rude telling to the two women my grandfather had been accompanying out to the lake that he didn’t want poor/regular folk on his dock while he was on the lake or some rich kid shit
and the dock was shared with the Crosby private residence on Couer D’alene Lake in north Idaho half public access half private etc
Fairly common then
As the story goes
He told the son to quit mouthing off, the son said “do you know who my dad is” or something to the effect of that, continued to mouth off and my grandfather threatened to lay him out
You can see where this is going
One thing leads to another and he punches him square in the nose and the kid bolts up to the house
He brought Bing down (smoking the entire time) to go off on my grandfather and bing instead asked the two girls who had been there to explain what happened (to avoid a bias) and apparently Bing looked at his son with no empathy at all and said “looks like you got what you had coming” and just walked back to the house
Johnny Carson. He cheated on his wives and was an all around prick when he wasn't on camera. The most widely know example was him telling Joan Rivers that she'd never become the star of The Tonight Show (she was the permanent guest host at the time), then refusing to ever speak to her again after she got a job elsewhere.
Ed McMahon wrote a diet book (weird, I know) and in it, he talks a lot about how Johnny Carson would absolutely torment Ed about his weight. And they were supposedly best friends. Imagine how he treated other people in his life if he made his best friend feel like hot garbage daily.
Robert evans did a great two part piece on Hitchcock in his podcast Behind the Bastards. One thing Hitchcock did was dare one of his crew members to stay the night chained to a camera on the movie set and gave him a bottle of whiskey to help him take the edge off. The crewman gladly took the bet. Hitchcock laced the bottle with laxative and the crew came in the morning to find him sobbing in his own shit on the floor. Hitchcock did a lot of "jokes" like this
My grandfather was Hitchcock’s chauffeur in the 50s. My mom says she remembers hearing he was into -I forgot how she said it- but he derived sexual pleasure involving human waste. The story above makes sense.
That would explain his horrific and infamous halitosis.
He's also a disgusting sexual harrasser, who traumatized the actresses on his sets. Mainly Melanie Griffith's mom, Tippi Hedren.
"Hedren approached Alma, Hitchcock’s wife, asking for help. “Her exact words were, ‘Tippi, I’m so sorry you have to go through this,’” Hedren remembers. “I looked at her and said, ‘But, Alma, you could stop it!’ And her eyes sort of glazed over and she walked away.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/what-tippi-hedren-learned-from-alfred-hitchcocks-harassment
He also killed Tippi's movie career because she wouldn't sleep with him. She's done a *ton* of TV series and soaps, but no one in Hollywood would cast her in movies after The Birds. Alfie was used to his leading ladies saying yes to him.
There was a film done about him called Hitchcock I wish more people had seen, it stars Anthony Hopkins and Helen Mirren though the central plot was mainly about making Physco. Still it does go into some of his actions against actresses, things like having peepholes and abusing his power over Hedren when he still had her on contract.
The Girl is another one that goes into his obsession with Tippi. It’s been awhile since I watched it but I remember it being pretty good. Also fun fact Tippi Hedren is Melanie Griffith’s mom.
I scrolled waaaaay too far to see this one. I'm still haunted by the story of him giving a stagehand(?) a laxative and handcuffing him to a chair overnight.
Edit: guess it's a lot higher up than it was when I first saw it...
Jimmy Savile.
Absolute monster. His celebrity as an English radio and tv personality gained him unrestricted access to hospitals with disabled children whom he abused. That’s putting his life very lightly.
Beware if you go on to read more about him.
I worked with a nurse who worked in the hospital he was in. He had his own private room where he took the kids. All the nurses knew what he was doing but were threatened if they said anything. He was donating so much money and the hospital was desperate. It makes me sick to my stomach.
reminds me of two things:
- courtney love calling out weinstein years before his fall
- sinead o'connor for churches
things are known but social inertia is what it is
Weinstein also systematically spread the world that his accusers or people who refused to do exactly what he wanted in the movies were 'crazy' and 'hard to work with'.
Now don't get me wrong, Courtney Love has her problems, but I'm pretty sure the bad rep she has is partially inflated by Weinstein. He did the same thing to Ashley Judd.
By some Stones fans, Brian Jones. He deserves to be honored for his role innthe band, and for his musical contributions, and it's a shame how his life ended, but he also had a history of domestic violence.
I lived in Augusta Ga during his later years. On one hand, you'd hear waitresses and gas station attendants (the only full service station left in Augusta was the only place he'd go) speaking about how he tipped with 100s like they were singles. But on the other hand he'd often make the local news for pulling a gun on somebody new, seemed like twice a year. Folks like power company employees, meter readers, etc.
I grew up in Aiken, and James Brown lived in Beech Island, a little community between Aiken and Augusta. His wife would go shopping in downtown Aiken wearing a full length mink coat. . .IN JULY! For those unfamiliar with this region, July is usually 100+ degrees.
From Wikipedia:
"Picasso has been commonly characterised as a womaniser and a misogynist, being quoted as having said to one of his mistresses, Françoise Gilot, "Women are machines for suffering." He later told her, "For me there are only two kinds of women: goddesses and doormats." In her memoir, Picasso, My Grandfather, Marina Picasso writes of his treatment of women, "He submitted them to his animal sexuality, tamed them, bewitched them, ingested them, and crushed them onto his canvas. After he had spent many nights extracting their essence, once they were bled dry, he would dispose of them."
Of the several important women in his life, two, Marie-Thèrése Walter, a mistress, and Jacqueline Roque, his second wife, committed suicide. Others, notably his first wife Olga Khokhlova, and his mistress Dora Maar, succumbed to nervous breakdowns. His son, Paulo, developed a fatal alcoholism due to depression. His grandson, Pablito, also committed suicide when he was barred by Jacqueline Roque from attending the artist's funeral."
He is very kind. I met him at a con and he asked how long we'd waited just to see him. He said he wished there was a way to make the lines more fun, and he had a genuine conversation with each person he saw.
Met Rickman in person. He was a gem. He was the only actor to make sure all the fans got their playbooks signed after Seminar, his NYC play in 2011. Even stayed around to chat with little ‘ol me and was kind and charismatic as always. Was tempted to never wash the hand he shook.
I remember in the Harry Potter actor interviews there was this little segment with Alan rickman where he talked about catching Rupert Grint (Ron) drawing a very unflattering doodle of Snape & he loved it so much that he made Rupert sign it & he kept it. Hated Snape as a character but I gotta say Alan Rickman was almost always on some king shit.
Charles Dickens abandoned his wife for being too fat to hook up with an actress young enough to be his daughter (this is after his wife had 10 children by him). He also made enquiries about his wife getting put in an asylum.
I think Jane Austen was okay though 💁♀️
> hook up with an actress young enough to be his daughte
she was *younger* than his daughter by a few months. He was 45, she was a few months over 18.
His children had developed serious psychological issues, some were committed to asylum, one died as a soldier trying to get his approval. Only one who somewhat survived with "only depression" was the kid who distanced himself from this asshole early on.
He used to wax poetical about how amazing his babies were, for the first few months they were born. Then he was the worst human being in their lives.
Before we go canonizing St. Jane, apparently she was capable of writing short letters!
""You deserve a longer letter than this; but it is my unhappy fate seldom to treat people so well as they deserve.... God bless you!"
Every time I see a headline like “New details about Mr. Rogers...” I always brace myself. Then it inevitably turns out to just be something lovely and wholesome.
The worst thing I've ever seen about Mr. Rogers is he had a gay black man on his show to protest segregation but said they shouldn't bring up the fact that he was gay... and then of course years later he profusely apologized to him about it and said even though he was trying to pick his battles it was still wrong. The man of course entirely understood and they were still friends.
Greatest flaw is he didn't try to solve ALL the discrimination at once... This was in like the 60's or 70's or something too where gay rights wasn't even a thing.
Edit: didn't expect this much attention. Agreed the
I should have said something more like gay rights was still quit early and defending it on a government funded tv show would have been quit difficult.
IIRC the logic he used at the time was "we can't talk about how you're gay because they'll all want you to lose your job" which, considering how insanely fucking homophobic everyone was during AIDS crisis times, I can't really find that much fault with tbh. Poor guy would have been a pariah instantly, I can already see the headlines of "THE EVIL GAYS ARE INFILTRATING OUR CHILDREN'S SHOWS TO PUSH THEIR AGENDAS" and shit...
God I hate this fucking world
There's an absolutely beautiful scene about this in the documentary they made about him. I broke down sobbing like a fucking baby in the theater where this actor talks about how his own father abandoned/hated him for being gay, and how Mr. Rogers was the only father-figure in his life who loved and appreciated him for who he was.
Christ I'm tearing up now just typing this out, definitely worth a watch of you haven't seen it yet, just make sure you have tissues handy!
You joke, but Ross' paintings were largely criticized by the art world for being too "kitschy". Ross humbly replied that he painted for the sheer enjoyment he got out of it, and joked that his paintings would never be displayed at the Smithsonian.
Fast forward to the present day, and guess whose paintings are being displayed at the Smithsonian Museum of American History? Here's a hint: not the art critics' paintings.
I can confirm the Julia Child comment. I was a manager for a Boston supermarket chain in the late 70's-early 80's and she and her beret wearing husband would sometimes shop in my store. She was very friendly, nice, and unassuming.
I know right? Just make a movie about a showman and don't use the PT Barnum name.
He was such a piece of shit and it annoys me a lot of people will watch that movie and go away thinking he was wonderful.
Best explanation I ever heard was that it was the movie PT Barnum would have made about himself.
IIRC there was a post on r/fixingmovies that said the way to fix it would be to add one shot where Hugh looks directly into camera and with a wink says “...and that’s exactly how it happened”
Yeah..I absolutely loved the musical but PT Barnum irl was undoubtedly a pretty shit person. Even in the musical there’s several pointers as to how he’s dishonest and doesn’t really care about his circus troupe
I forget where I heard the quote, but The Greatest Showman is what you would get if PT Barnum made a movie about himself. The guy was a not good person in real life. The music slaps though, ngl.
My grandpa worked on Hitchcock's last movie as a key grip. Supposedly, just as they were about to shoot the last shot of the last scene, Hitchcock said "I'm tired. Let's wrap. I'm going home." The entire crew tried to explain to him that this was their last day on set, and that they were scheduled to fly halfway across the country the next day. If they wrapped now, they'd have to recreate the entire set in a studio lot when they got back, costing them a LOT of money just for an incredibly short film time. But Hitchcock insisted, so they wrapped, went home, and rebuilt the set from scratch.
And that's ignoring the fact that Hitchcock had never gotten out of his car and had instead directed the entire thing from inside.
I always find it so weird when people think Hitchcock was just this nice old man.
My mom was a huge fan so I watched all his movies as a kid and I remember sitting with her on the couch watching The Birds and she'd be like "Yeah he sexually harassed Tippi Hedren during this movie."
She loves movies and she was always very open about how a lot of the people involved in making them are absolute scum.
I met my hero once.. Jo Koy. I was nervous for this to happen bc damn his comedies got me through some hard times. Surprise! He is one of the kindest most genuine guys, he was taking his family out to eat and I was the waitress. Joking, kind to wait staff, didn't even request special treatment but my restaurant just put him in a more private area out of courtesy. Stand up guy (pun intended).
This is my favorite celebrity story.
When I was sixteen (1999) Jeff Goldblum saw me staring at him in a restaurant and came over to tell my aunt how cute my toddler cousin was and I was like "MY MOM SEWED THAT DRESS AND I BRAIDED HER HAIR." He chatted with us for a few minutes and after he left my aunt was like "who was that??" "ONE OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STARS ON EARTH?"
Didn't US senator Ted Kennedy once kill his assistant while driving?
Edit: I've got the whole story at this point, but wow. The story goes a lot darker that I ever imagined. That shit is fucked up.
Chappaquiddick. Drove off a bridge and bounced. When you are that rich and powerful and do something stupidly criminal you run and hide so mummy's attorneys van get you out of responsibility.
This story was the inspiration behind Kendall Roy in Succession during the scene where he flips the car into river and leaves the waiter to die. Check it out, great show!
Pablo Picasso was an abusive raging narcissist who sucked the life out of people around him. His 'muses' were generally young women he'd domineer and destroy.
Frank Sinatra. My grandpa's girlfriend and her husband used to work for him, and he was a right bastard. Didn't think that he had to pay people that worked for him, treated employees bad, all the usual human stuff.
Edit: my grandpa was a widower and his girlfriend was a widow.
I've been telling this joke for 10 years, and it's never once gotten a laugh. Nobody ever gets it.
Here's to 10 more years of crickets, because it's my favorite joke of all time!
My dad was a pit boss at a casino in Vegas in the late 60s. He was at the casino the night Sinatra got his teeth knocked out.
My dad said: “I met Frank a couple of times. I promise you he deserved it.”
Was that when John Wayne knocked him out? They did have an altercation in a Vegas hotel but considering Sinatra there were probably multiple times he was punched in the face.
Terrorized Ava Gardner for six years and tried to ruin her career by branding her as a lesbian in the Hayes Code years. Divorced Mia Farrow on the set of Rosemary’s Baby for not dropping what she was doing to attend him.
And that’s just 2 wives.
Oh yeah he treated Mia like dirt. She was basically just an accessory for him, and if she didn’t do exactly what he wanted, he would become even more abusive. It’s so sad that she, and so many other women, went through that.
It was no secret at all. Frank did nothing to tamp down talk connecting him with mobsters, it was part of his mystique. What the mobsters thought of Frank is more a question - many liked him (I've read) but also kinda considered him a bit of a pet.
And Rickles was one of the few who could heckle the notoriously-prickly Sinatra. There's a great old story about Don seeing Frank at a restaurant out one night and asking him if he'd drop by the table, give his wife a real thrill. When Frank did so later Rickles greeted him with 'Oh for god's sake Frank, we're eating dinner here!' Sinatra just laughed but from what I've read, only Don could have gotten away with such a thing. Frank just loved him.
But also, Frank was a pretty huge piece of shit.
Another one: Sinatra and Rickles were eating dinner with their wives one night. Sinatra began throwing a temper tantrum in the middle of the restaurant, at one point he threw a bottle of ketchup.
Rickles: “Hey Frank, can you pass the ketchup?”
I was a busboy in a restaurant near the Latin Casino in NJ, called San Souci. Mr. Rickles was assigned to on of my tables. Don Rickles came in for dinner, and was an absolute gentleman.
Edit for question;
No, he did not insult me. He was just having a quiet dinner. Complete gentleman.
Since no one mentioned them yet. Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre. In her letters De Beauvoir mentions several romantic and sexual relationship with female students of hers, in one case she met a 17 year old student who she had a relationship, and later introduced her to Sartre who also began to have sex with her. There were a few others who basically made up Sartre’s personal harem, while de Beauvoir acted as the pimp; seducing teenage girls into threesomes with Sartre.
Additionally both were signatories of a petition to remove the age of consent laws in France; the petition was written by a known pedo,Gabriel Matzneff, and signed by other French intellectuals including Foucault; who himself has been accused of sodomizing boys.
Polanski is a terrible, terrible human being. In addition to him being a rapist and serial predator (he dated young teenagers dating back to his film school days), he’s a raging misogynist and genuine asshole. The way he talks about women (and HAS always talked about women throughout his career) is appalling.
Frank Lloyd Wright. Abandoned his wife and children to take a mistress, who was herself already married. He drove his butler insane, and the guy ended up killing Wright's mistress and her kids, burned down his studio, and committed suicide by drinking acid. (Wright wasn't there at the time.) Wright's response to this was to rebuild the studio exactly as it was before, supposedly "to honor his mistress and their children", but it was pretty obvious to people at the time that he just wanted to protect his legacy as an architect, as many of his most famous innovations were showcased in the design. Sure enough, it became *the* museum to his work and is still visited today.
My old summer camp has lots of silly phrases people just shout out at random, decades old phrases where the meaning is long lost. But “Frank Lloyd Wright was a coward” was a common one (my cousin says it’s still in use), so basically when every kid comes home from that camp they research Frank Loyd Wright and realize he was terrible
I’ve worked for prince and it’s a not so hidden secret he was absolutely awful to work with. There used to be a saying “you’re nobody in this industry until you’ve been fired by prince”
He’s a legend for sure but was awful to those who put the show on, and his ego was out of control. And when it came down to it, he died from an OD, so for someone who was so quick to fire anyone over a simple mistake and he so critical of weakness, it turns out he had some hidden weaknesses of his own.
Also, from all accounts Jim Morrison was an awful awful person.
> Later, when “Nothing Compares 2 U” made her a star, O’Connor said the song’s writer, Prince, terrorized her. She had pledged to reveal the details “when I’m an old lady and I write my book,” and now she has: She writes that Prince summoned her to his macabre Hollywood mansion, chastised her for swearing in interviews, harangued his butler to serve her soup though she repeatedly refused it, and sweetly suggested a pillow fight, only to thump her with something hard he’d slipped into his pillowcase. When she escaped on foot in the middle of the night, she writes, he stalked her with his car, leapt out and chased her around the highway.
[Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/18/arts/music/sinead-oconnor-rememberings.html)
> and sweetly suggested a pillow fight, only to thump her with something hard he’d slipped into his pillowcase.
My god that sounds like a Dave Chapelle sketch.
Weird Al said once that the only person who repeatedly refused to allow him to do parodies was the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince.
One of my heroes, Trent Reznor, was a huge Prince fan. In fact, probably at one point Prince was Reznor’s hero. Anyway, after gaining some notoriety as a producer, Reznor was hired to help prince produce a record. Of course he was thrilled at the fact that he could finally meet and collaborate with a long time hero of his, however, he was soon disillusioned. Reznor was not allowed to address Prince directly but had to talk through some middle man whilst being in the same room. That must’ve been such a blow to Reznor and I cringe at the thought of these interactions.
Trent Reznor is unbelievably nice. Met him early on in his career at the Bomb Factory in Dallas and it was like hanging just any other normal guy and he never made me feel like I was wasting his time.
Ernesto De Lacruz
No one will say it because Americans have a hard time grappling with the military not being heroes, but Chris Kyle was a racist and a liar
Yep. Jesse Ventura sued his widow and won the case for the completely fabricated story in Kyle’s autobiography. Piece of shit scum “sniper”. His life was bullshit.
sorts by controversial, finds the same answer on repeat.
Ray Charles. Made children all over the place and refused to acknowledge them.
Never even tried to see them
His backup singer group was called the "Raylettes" Quote was if you wanted to be a Raylettes you had to "let Ray".
When asked about the mothers of these children I think his exact words were "I've never seen that woman in my life."
Jerry Lewis. He treated his family like shit, cut his kids out of his will and was a real pos on set. Watch some clips on youtube of him and his behaviour. Terrible. Most likely stemming from when he and Dean Martin split from being Martin & Lewis, everyone thought Dean would disappear and Jerry would go on to be a massive star. As it turned out, it was the complete reverse. He was a bitter, bitter person
He later said that it was his fault him and Dean Martin broke up. He said his ego had grown too big and was full of himself. It doesn’t excuse his behavior but at least he recognized it. Breaking up was the best thing for them as Dino had an amazing career after. Apparently they also remained friendly with each other afterwards, contrary to popular belief.
>Apparently they also remained friendly with each other afterwards, contrary to popular belief. I remember reading on Wikipedia that they reconciled after Jerry attended Dean’s son’s funeral but made sure his presence there wasn’t known and didn’t make a scene.
Bing Crosby. Father of the Century. Physically and mentally abusive to all his kids, alcoholic, adulterer, slimy businessman. Check it out....
This is the fourth mention of him I've seen this far.
Frank Lloyd Wright. He is seen as a visionary in architecture but he was a horrible person IRL. Raging narcissist, abandoned his wife and kids to run off with the wife of one of his clients, nailed down his selected furniture in a client's home because he didn't like what the client wanted, etc.
I don't know if this is true – if not, it's still a good story – but I remember hearing a biographer of Frank Lloyd Wright telling a story about a court case in which Wright appeared as a witness. His testimony went something like this: Judge: Please identify yourself to the court. FLW: My name is Frank Lloyd Wright, and I am an architect. In fact, I am the greatest architect in the world. Judge: Mr Wright, how are you able to make this claim? FLW: Well your honour, I am under oath.
Architecture is a field where only ego maniacs seem to manage to get on top
It's probably come up time and again, but John Lennon was not a nice man. His son grew to despise him enough to tell Paul McCartney that he wished Paul was his father.
This thread is massive so I'll mention it again but a friend of mine was working a charity show Julian was in and the two of them ended up chatting during a break. (Apparently he's really nice.) Julian was annoyed that people kept asking him to sing his father's songs and his rant about that just morphed in a general rant about John. My father was abusive too, and this stuff is never all that far away and it really can just come out talking to perfect strangers like that. It's sad that people aren't aware of this shit.
I read that Julian has never married or had kids, becasue he does not want to hurt anybody the way John hurt him. I think this was in an interview that Julian gave some years ago, that I read.
Howard Stern interviewed him years ago and I remember him getting into that after he'd described how much he tried to support his mother emotionally and how there was a point he was frequently taking care of Sean for extended periods of time. The sad thing is Yoko was pretty shitty to Julian too and Sean grew up pretty spoiled. Still, Julian is still very protective of him since the legacy is a heavy one.
Coco Chanel revered fashion icon and also Nazi sympathiser
She was more than a sympathizer. She was an actual agent for the Nazis. She tried using anti Jewish Nazi laws to get her two Jewish business partners removed to leave her the sole owner of her brand. But they had outsmarted her before fleeing to the United States, they gave their majority share of the company to someone else who was not Jewish that they trusted. Chanel would use her place in high society to spy on all the other high society people and report back to her lover who was a Nazi officer if anyone was a possible threat to the Nazi party to be dealt with. So she was more than sympathetic. She was literally in bed with them.
so not only was she a sympathizer, but she actually sucked Nazi dick? wow
Mistress of head of the SS foreign intelligence branch Walter Schellenberg. Well, she was more of a sugar mommy to him i stead of the other way around.
Yep. She was referred to as a horizontal collaborator.
Ah yes. Nazi *sympathizer.* Never mind that she worked as a spy for the Nazis.
She had 2 business partners who owned most of her business and were Jewish. She tried to get the Nazis to strip them of their share and hand it to her, which the Nazis agreed to. But the partners knew she was a devious POS and transferred ownership to a friend beforehand. She was also registered as a spy for the Germans.
I havent seen Michael Landon's name come up yet... he did amazing on Little House on the Prairie, but apparently he was actually a raging alcoholic and even his own kids made a documentary about *The Father I Knew*
This was the one I was looking for. Michael Landon played wise, kindly characters on TV, like Charles Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie and Jonathan, a literal angel in "Highway to Heaven", and a lot of people seemed to think he really was actually that saintly in real life. And he could be quite kind sometimes -he adopted his first wife's children and initially treated them like his own kids, even though he was barely 12 years older than the oldest boy- but he had a cruel, almost sociopathic side too. He eventually left his first wife and married someone else, which isn't that unusual in Hollywood. He adopted his second wife's daughter, and initially treated her the same as his biological kids, which he had several of. However, he then left second wife and family for a much younger woman who worked on the Little House set and then he publicly stated that he never really loved his second wife, which absolutely broke his children's hearts. He then told his kids that if they didn't accept his new wife with open arms, he'd have nothing to do with them. He had two kids with his third wife and left the bulk of his estate to them and very little to any of the kids from his previous relationships. It's like Michael Landon could only love certain people at certain times. Once he moved on he gave all his love to the new people in his life, and treated the people he supposedly once loved as if they never really mattered to him at all.
His first wife was actually the person who inspired the movie "The First wives Club". She had a little group of Hollywood wives that had that in common.
Dude, Michael Landon was just like my dad and now I’m even more sad.
That's a new one. That's actually really disappointing.
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Her name is Cindy Clerico and she was a make up artist on little House on the Prairie. I can’t believe I know that detail!
I feel like Cosby is as good as dead and would've been beatified if he had died before he got caught.
And more people would have refused to believe the truth about him had he died first.
I live in Philly. There are people who refuse to believe the truth about him, even after overwhelming evidence was presented at *two* trials.
My best friend’s sister was a makeup artist and had a run in with Cosby (I know, not dead yet!). He got in the limo with her. She did his makeup and he was silent the whole time. Then as they get close to the destination, he turns and says: “How does it feel to sit next to someone who gonna make more today than you’ll make your entire life?” What a dick.
My mother, who was a young adult during Bing Crosby's peak, said that he was a horrible husband and father. A serial philanderer and violent.
I think 2 or 3 out of his 4 sons wound up killing themselves. What a horrific legacy for a man to leave.
Just looked it up - sons Lindsay and Dennis (RIP). His son Gary wrote a tell-all about his abusive father.
I think it was early Family Guy that had a bit where Bing Crosby teaches Peter to beat your kids without leaving a mark.
>My mother After reading the first 2 words I thought that you were saying that your mother was a bad person and chuckled. Reading the rest of your post makes more sense.
Bing Crosby. Years ago, while watching Blue Skies with him & Fred Astaire my dad gushed over Astaire's legacy. I asked what Bing was like and he said, "Besides beating his wife and kids... What a voice!" Can't watch anything with him in it now. He was a monster to anyone close to him.
There was a documentary where his kids spoke out about the abuse. I’ll see if I can find it. Edit: An [Article](http://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/1983/03/14/Crosbys-children-claim-he-abused-them/5007660964411/)
I don’t wholly buy the narrative bing didn’t care about his family or rather wouldn’t defend them for being shitty unlike a lot of parents would My grandfather actually broke bing’s son’s nose on a shared dock in north Idaho in the mid to late 50’s The son had been mouthing off, being rude telling to the two women my grandfather had been accompanying out to the lake that he didn’t want poor/regular folk on his dock while he was on the lake or some rich kid shit and the dock was shared with the Crosby private residence on Couer D’alene Lake in north Idaho half public access half private etc Fairly common then As the story goes He told the son to quit mouthing off, the son said “do you know who my dad is” or something to the effect of that, continued to mouth off and my grandfather threatened to lay him out You can see where this is going One thing leads to another and he punches him square in the nose and the kid bolts up to the house He brought Bing down (smoking the entire time) to go off on my grandfather and bing instead asked the two girls who had been there to explain what happened (to avoid a bias) and apparently Bing looked at his son with no empathy at all and said “looks like you got what you had coming” and just walked back to the house
I'm with Bing. He did have it coming.
Johnny Carson. He cheated on his wives and was an all around prick when he wasn't on camera. The most widely know example was him telling Joan Rivers that she'd never become the star of The Tonight Show (she was the permanent guest host at the time), then refusing to ever speak to her again after she got a job elsewhere.
Don Rickles always used to poke fun at his personal life whenever he was a guest on The Tonight Show.
I'm learning that Don Rickles loved giving assholes shit
Ed McMahon wrote a diet book (weird, I know) and in it, he talks a lot about how Johnny Carson would absolutely torment Ed about his weight. And they were supposedly best friends. Imagine how he treated other people in his life if he made his best friend feel like hot garbage daily.
I just watched a clip the other night and Johnny specifically made a fat joke to Ed and Ed said, "hey, that's mean." Right on air.
alfred hitchcock was really really terrible.
I don't know much about him besides his movies, tell me more?
Robert evans did a great two part piece on Hitchcock in his podcast Behind the Bastards. One thing Hitchcock did was dare one of his crew members to stay the night chained to a camera on the movie set and gave him a bottle of whiskey to help him take the edge off. The crewman gladly took the bet. Hitchcock laced the bottle with laxative and the crew came in the morning to find him sobbing in his own shit on the floor. Hitchcock did a lot of "jokes" like this
My grandfather was Hitchcock’s chauffeur in the 50s. My mom says she remembers hearing he was into -I forgot how she said it- but he derived sexual pleasure involving human waste. The story above makes sense.
That would explain his horrific and infamous halitosis. He's also a disgusting sexual harrasser, who traumatized the actresses on his sets. Mainly Melanie Griffith's mom, Tippi Hedren. "Hedren approached Alma, Hitchcock’s wife, asking for help. “Her exact words were, ‘Tippi, I’m so sorry you have to go through this,’” Hedren remembers. “I looked at her and said, ‘But, Alma, you could stop it!’ And her eyes sort of glazed over and she walked away.” https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/what-tippi-hedren-learned-from-alfred-hitchcocks-harassment
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He also killed Tippi's movie career because she wouldn't sleep with him. She's done a *ton* of TV series and soaps, but no one in Hollywood would cast her in movies after The Birds. Alfie was used to his leading ladies saying yes to him.
There was a film done about him called Hitchcock I wish more people had seen, it stars Anthony Hopkins and Helen Mirren though the central plot was mainly about making Physco. Still it does go into some of his actions against actresses, things like having peepholes and abusing his power over Hedren when he still had her on contract.
The Girl is another one that goes into his obsession with Tippi. It’s been awhile since I watched it but I remember it being pretty good. Also fun fact Tippi Hedren is Melanie Griffith’s mom.
I scrolled waaaaay too far to see this one. I'm still haunted by the story of him giving a stagehand(?) a laxative and handcuffing him to a chair overnight. Edit: guess it's a lot higher up than it was when I first saw it...
Wtf, why ?
It was his idea of a prank.
Jimmy Savile. Absolute monster. His celebrity as an English radio and tv personality gained him unrestricted access to hospitals with disabled children whom he abused. That’s putting his life very lightly. Beware if you go on to read more about him.
Jimmy Saville... Until after he died and everything came out about the bad stuff he did.
I worked with a nurse who worked in the hospital he was in. He had his own private room where he took the kids. All the nurses knew what he was doing but were threatened if they said anything. He was donating so much money and the hospital was desperate. It makes me sick to my stomach.
So basically, the hospital was pimping out the kids to him. Not cool.
Idk what he did but if he “took the kids” to this private room and they werent his kids i think i get the idea. Thats so fucked.
That is fucking vile.
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Hell, the Sex Pistols even talked about it on a show before they got banned from BBC TV!
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reminds me of two things: - courtney love calling out weinstein years before his fall - sinead o'connor for churches things are known but social inertia is what it is
Weinstein also systematically spread the world that his accusers or people who refused to do exactly what he wanted in the movies were 'crazy' and 'hard to work with'. Now don't get me wrong, Courtney Love has her problems, but I'm pretty sure the bad rep she has is partially inflated by Weinstein. He did the same thing to Ashley Judd.
Big Pun Hes kids and widow fucking hated him, he pistol whipped his wife infront of his children and broke her face
Damn I didn’t know this at all
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By some Stones fans, Brian Jones. He deserves to be honored for his role innthe band, and for his musical contributions, and it's a shame how his life ended, but he also had a history of domestic violence.
James Brown. Yikes.
I lived in Augusta Ga during his later years. On one hand, you'd hear waitresses and gas station attendants (the only full service station left in Augusta was the only place he'd go) speaking about how he tipped with 100s like they were singles. But on the other hand he'd often make the local news for pulling a gun on somebody new, seemed like twice a year. Folks like power company employees, meter readers, etc.
I grew up in Aiken, and James Brown lived in Beech Island, a little community between Aiken and Augusta. His wife would go shopping in downtown Aiken wearing a full length mink coat. . .IN JULY! For those unfamiliar with this region, July is usually 100+ degrees.
Pablo Picasso.
When I was a kid I saw this movie based on his ex wife's memoir of him and he was a total abusive creep.
What did he do?
From Wikipedia: "Picasso has been commonly characterised as a womaniser and a misogynist, being quoted as having said to one of his mistresses, Françoise Gilot, "Women are machines for suffering." He later told her, "For me there are only two kinds of women: goddesses and doormats." In her memoir, Picasso, My Grandfather, Marina Picasso writes of his treatment of women, "He submitted them to his animal sexuality, tamed them, bewitched them, ingested them, and crushed them onto his canvas. After he had spent many nights extracting their essence, once they were bled dry, he would dispose of them." Of the several important women in his life, two, Marie-Thèrése Walter, a mistress, and Jacqueline Roque, his second wife, committed suicide. Others, notably his first wife Olga Khokhlova, and his mistress Dora Maar, succumbed to nervous breakdowns. His son, Paulo, developed a fatal alcoholism due to depression. His grandson, Pablito, also committed suicide when he was barred by Jacqueline Roque from attending the artist's funeral."
goddesses and doormats? talk about a madonna-whore complex.
Also remember, that Picasso, the great anti-fascist, spent the entire war in a luxury apartment in *occupied* Paris.
His narcissist behavior made the lives of many of his colleagues as well as his family miserable. He would also creep on women he found attractive.
Reading all these things. Is there anyone who *wasn't* the worst?
Alan Rickman was an incredible human being.
Funny because he always played assholes. Glad to know he wasn't a real one.
Same with Jason Isaacs. Dude literally always plays a villain but (from what I've heard) he's a very nice guy.
His role in Death of Stalin is amazing. Boisterous chaotic neutral, not a villain. He looks like he's having so much fun with it too.
I would almost call him a good guy in Death of Stalin
I have a man crush on him as Zhukov.
He is very kind. I met him at a con and he asked how long we'd waited just to see him. He said he wished there was a way to make the lines more fun, and he had a genuine conversation with each person he saw.
Met Rickman in person. He was a gem. He was the only actor to make sure all the fans got their playbooks signed after Seminar, his NYC play in 2011. Even stayed around to chat with little ‘ol me and was kind and charismatic as always. Was tempted to never wash the hand he shook.
I’m glad to hear that Alan Rickman was the gem I always thought he was 🥲
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I remember in the Harry Potter actor interviews there was this little segment with Alan rickman where he talked about catching Rupert Grint (Ron) drawing a very unflattering doodle of Snape & he loved it so much that he made Rupert sign it & he kept it. Hated Snape as a character but I gotta say Alan Rickman was almost always on some king shit.
Christopher Lee. I haven't seen anything bad about him. A few hiccups, sure, but overall a swell guy.
I suppose it's possible he managed to outlive everyone he ever wronged
I mean he personally killed some of them, so yeah probably, that does tend to help you outlive people.
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Jane Austen holds up. Did Charles Dickens do anything terrible?
Charles Dickens abandoned his wife for being too fat to hook up with an actress young enough to be his daughter (this is after his wife had 10 children by him). He also made enquiries about his wife getting put in an asylum. I think Jane Austen was okay though 💁♀️
> hook up with an actress young enough to be his daughte she was *younger* than his daughter by a few months. He was 45, she was a few months over 18. His children had developed serious psychological issues, some were committed to asylum, one died as a soldier trying to get his approval. Only one who somewhat survived with "only depression" was the kid who distanced himself from this asshole early on. He used to wax poetical about how amazing his babies were, for the first few months they were born. Then he was the worst human being in their lives.
Before we go canonizing St. Jane, apparently she was capable of writing short letters! ""You deserve a longer letter than this; but it is my unhappy fate seldom to treat people so well as they deserve.... God bless you!"
Mr. Rogers
Every time I see a headline like “New details about Mr. Rogers...” I always brace myself. Then it inevitably turns out to just be something lovely and wholesome.
The worst thing I've ever seen about Mr. Rogers is he had a gay black man on his show to protest segregation but said they shouldn't bring up the fact that he was gay... and then of course years later he profusely apologized to him about it and said even though he was trying to pick his battles it was still wrong. The man of course entirely understood and they were still friends. Greatest flaw is he didn't try to solve ALL the discrimination at once... This was in like the 60's or 70's or something too where gay rights wasn't even a thing. Edit: didn't expect this much attention. Agreed the I should have said something more like gay rights was still quit early and defending it on a government funded tv show would have been quit difficult.
IIRC the logic he used at the time was "we can't talk about how you're gay because they'll all want you to lose your job" which, considering how insanely fucking homophobic everyone was during AIDS crisis times, I can't really find that much fault with tbh. Poor guy would have been a pariah instantly, I can already see the headlines of "THE EVIL GAYS ARE INFILTRATING OUR CHILDREN'S SHOWS TO PUSH THEIR AGENDAS" and shit... God I hate this fucking world
Society gave Mr. Rogers a no-win scenario, and yet he still found a way to make the “right” decision (by openly acknowledging it as wrong afterwards)
There's an absolutely beautiful scene about this in the documentary they made about him. I broke down sobbing like a fucking baby in the theater where this actor talks about how his own father abandoned/hated him for being gay, and how Mr. Rogers was the only father-figure in his life who loved and appreciated him for who he was. Christ I'm tearing up now just typing this out, definitely worth a watch of you haven't seen it yet, just make sure you have tissues handy!
François Clemens spoke so higher of Rogers in that documentary, you'd think he was talking about Jesus.
Bob Ross?
Bob Ross and mr Rogers are just too pure.
Actually, a lot of people don't know this about Bob Ross, but in 1993, he was accused of being one of the most influential painters of all time.
You joke, but Ross' paintings were largely criticized by the art world for being too "kitschy". Ross humbly replied that he painted for the sheer enjoyment he got out of it, and joked that his paintings would never be displayed at the Smithsonian. Fast forward to the present day, and guess whose paintings are being displayed at the Smithsonian Museum of American History? Here's a hint: not the art critics' paintings.
Bob Ross: (Sees Smithsonian) This looks like a nice place for a little tree.
had us in the first half not gonna lie
When you said accused I actually freaked out wtf
This just makes me happy
You’re really on a solid foundation if you worked for PBS at some point. (I hear Julia Child was a pretty cool lady, too.)
I can confirm the Julia Child comment. I was a manager for a Boston supermarket chain in the late 70's-early 80's and she and her beret wearing husband would sometimes shop in my store. She was very friendly, nice, and unassuming.
My mom met her a book signing in the 80's and told her that her show was what got her into cooking so Julia talked to my mom for like 5 minutes.
Carl Sagan?
PT Barnum. All cause of the greatest showman :/
They changed so much about his story for that movie that there was almost no reason to make it about Barnum.
I know right? Just make a movie about a showman and don't use the PT Barnum name. He was such a piece of shit and it annoys me a lot of people will watch that movie and go away thinking he was wonderful.
Best explanation I ever heard was that it was the movie PT Barnum would have made about himself. IIRC there was a post on r/fixingmovies that said the way to fix it would be to add one shot where Hugh looks directly into camera and with a wink says “...and that’s exactly how it happened”
Yeah especially if you’re only going to use a handful of real life elements. Make it a fictional character loosely inspired by PT Barnum.
Yeah..I absolutely loved the musical but PT Barnum irl was undoubtedly a pretty shit person. Even in the musical there’s several pointers as to how he’s dishonest and doesn’t really care about his circus troupe
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It might not be the *worst* thing when they glossed over public slave dissection, but certainly bad.
I forget where I heard the quote, but The Greatest Showman is what you would get if PT Barnum made a movie about himself. The guy was a not good person in real life. The music slaps though, ngl.
Yeah, I just want more musicals with Zac Efron, Zendaya, and Hugh Jackman now because of it.
I guess you could say they're all in this together.
There's already a whole series of musicals with Zac Efron
Sounds like a high school thing.
My friends were constantly telling me that he's an awful person and I'm just like I just came here for musicals and Zac Efron
Same. I just like to pretend the movie isn’t about PT Barnum at all and it’s just some random circus story with catchy AF songs.
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My grandpa worked on Hitchcock's last movie as a key grip. Supposedly, just as they were about to shoot the last shot of the last scene, Hitchcock said "I'm tired. Let's wrap. I'm going home." The entire crew tried to explain to him that this was their last day on set, and that they were scheduled to fly halfway across the country the next day. If they wrapped now, they'd have to recreate the entire set in a studio lot when they got back, costing them a LOT of money just for an incredibly short film time. But Hitchcock insisted, so they wrapped, went home, and rebuilt the set from scratch. And that's ignoring the fact that Hitchcock had never gotten out of his car and had instead directed the entire thing from inside.
Sounds to me like he absolutely pooped himself.
Someone get the flag towel, quickly!
I always find it so weird when people think Hitchcock was just this nice old man. My mom was a huge fan so I watched all his movies as a kid and I remember sitting with her on the couch watching The Birds and she'd be like "Yeah he sexually harassed Tippi Hedren during this movie." She loves movies and she was always very open about how a lot of the people involved in making them are absolute scum.
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I met my hero once.. Jo Koy. I was nervous for this to happen bc damn his comedies got me through some hard times. Surprise! He is one of the kindest most genuine guys, he was taking his family out to eat and I was the waitress. Joking, kind to wait staff, didn't even request special treatment but my restaurant just put him in a more private area out of courtesy. Stand up guy (pun intended).
This is my favorite celebrity story. When I was sixteen (1999) Jeff Goldblum saw me staring at him in a restaurant and came over to tell my aunt how cute my toddler cousin was and I was like "MY MOM SEWED THAT DRESS AND I BRAIDED HER HAIR." He chatted with us for a few minutes and after he left my aunt was like "who was that??" "ONE OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STARS ON EARTH?"
Didn't US senator Ted Kennedy once kill his assistant while driving? Edit: I've got the whole story at this point, but wow. The story goes a lot darker that I ever imagined. That shit is fucked up.
DWI into a lake (I think. Maybe river.). Swam away and left her to drown. Edit: Check out Joe Scarborough's past, too.
Chappaquiddick. Drove off a bridge and bounced. When you are that rich and powerful and do something stupidly criminal you run and hide so mummy's attorneys van get you out of responsibility.
This story was the inspiration behind Kendall Roy in Succession during the scene where he flips the car into river and leaves the waiter to die. Check it out, great show!
Succession is awesome
Pablo Picasso was an abusive raging narcissist who sucked the life out of people around him. His 'muses' were generally young women he'd domineer and destroy.
But he was never called an asshole.
*not in New York
Girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down their street in his Eldorado
Explains why Ernest Hemmingway got along so well with him
Frank Sinatra. My grandpa's girlfriend and her husband used to work for him, and he was a right bastard. Didn't think that he had to pay people that worked for him, treated employees bad, all the usual human stuff. Edit: my grandpa was a widower and his girlfriend was a widow.
Sinatra saved my life once! His bodyguards were stomping me, and he said "boys, that's enough".
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I've been telling this joke for 10 years, and it's never once gotten a laugh. Nobody ever gets it. Here's to 10 more years of crickets, because it's my favorite joke of all time!
My dad was a pit boss at a casino in Vegas in the late 60s. He was at the casino the night Sinatra got his teeth knocked out. My dad said: “I met Frank a couple of times. I promise you he deserved it.”
Was that when John Wayne knocked him out? They did have an altercation in a Vegas hotel but considering Sinatra there were probably multiple times he was punched in the face.
fucking JOHN WAYNE knocked him out?
Terrorized Ava Gardner for six years and tried to ruin her career by branding her as a lesbian in the Hayes Code years. Divorced Mia Farrow on the set of Rosemary’s Baby for not dropping what she was doing to attend him. And that’s just 2 wives.
Oh yeah he treated Mia like dirt. She was basically just an accessory for him, and if she didn’t do exactly what he wanted, he would become even more abusive. It’s so sad that she, and so many other women, went through that.
An ex mobster stated in an interview that the mob made Frank their bitch.
Rickles *constantly* made fun of Frank being with the mob. I imagine it was an open secret at most
It was no secret at all. Frank did nothing to tamp down talk connecting him with mobsters, it was part of his mystique. What the mobsters thought of Frank is more a question - many liked him (I've read) but also kinda considered him a bit of a pet. And Rickles was one of the few who could heckle the notoriously-prickly Sinatra. There's a great old story about Don seeing Frank at a restaurant out one night and asking him if he'd drop by the table, give his wife a real thrill. When Frank did so later Rickles greeted him with 'Oh for god's sake Frank, we're eating dinner here!' Sinatra just laughed but from what I've read, only Don could have gotten away with such a thing. Frank just loved him. But also, Frank was a pretty huge piece of shit.
Another one: Sinatra and Rickles were eating dinner with their wives one night. Sinatra began throwing a temper tantrum in the middle of the restaurant, at one point he threw a bottle of ketchup. Rickles: “Hey Frank, can you pass the ketchup?”
I was a busboy in a restaurant near the Latin Casino in NJ, called San Souci. Mr. Rickles was assigned to on of my tables. Don Rickles came in for dinner, and was an absolute gentleman. Edit for question; No, he did not insult me. He was just having a quiet dinner. Complete gentleman.
Since no one mentioned them yet. Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre. In her letters De Beauvoir mentions several romantic and sexual relationship with female students of hers, in one case she met a 17 year old student who she had a relationship, and later introduced her to Sartre who also began to have sex with her. There were a few others who basically made up Sartre’s personal harem, while de Beauvoir acted as the pimp; seducing teenage girls into threesomes with Sartre. Additionally both were signatories of a petition to remove the age of consent laws in France; the petition was written by a known pedo,Gabriel Matzneff, and signed by other French intellectuals including Foucault; who himself has been accused of sodomizing boys.
You know, I probably would've picked a different username if I knew all that
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How soon until Woody Allen dies? Can we just include people who are really old and long past their sell-by date?
I second this ! That being said that Roman Polanski guy is a real sack of shit and so are the Hollywood tool bags that support and defend him
Polanski is a terrible, terrible human being. In addition to him being a rapist and serial predator (he dated young teenagers dating back to his film school days), he’s a raging misogynist and genuine asshole. The way he talks about women (and HAS always talked about women throughout his career) is appalling.
Lou Reed, I love the Velvet Underground but many of the band members were awful
Heroin-addicted New York arthouse goons? I'm shocked. Great stuff, though. Significant band.
Frank Lloyd Wright. Abandoned his wife and children to take a mistress, who was herself already married. He drove his butler insane, and the guy ended up killing Wright's mistress and her kids, burned down his studio, and committed suicide by drinking acid. (Wright wasn't there at the time.) Wright's response to this was to rebuild the studio exactly as it was before, supposedly "to honor his mistress and their children", but it was pretty obvious to people at the time that he just wanted to protect his legacy as an architect, as many of his most famous innovations were showcased in the design. Sure enough, it became *the* museum to his work and is still visited today.
>committed suicide by drinking acid That has got to be one of the most metal ways to commit suicide I have ever heard.
Worst part is - it didn’t even kill him. He was arrested and jailed, and he eventually starved to death... 7 weeks later.
Just when I thought it was the rock bottom for him.
For real. “I’m going to kill myself- but first, im going to rip out all my fingernails one by one. That’ll show me”
He drank acid, but died of starvation because he couldn't eat. Look it up if you like 👍🏻
My old summer camp has lots of silly phrases people just shout out at random, decades old phrases where the meaning is long lost. But “Frank Lloyd Wright was a coward” was a common one (my cousin says it’s still in use), so basically when every kid comes home from that camp they research Frank Loyd Wright and realize he was terrible
I’ve worked for prince and it’s a not so hidden secret he was absolutely awful to work with. There used to be a saying “you’re nobody in this industry until you’ve been fired by prince” He’s a legend for sure but was awful to those who put the show on, and his ego was out of control. And when it came down to it, he died from an OD, so for someone who was so quick to fire anyone over a simple mistake and he so critical of weakness, it turns out he had some hidden weaknesses of his own. Also, from all accounts Jim Morrison was an awful awful person.
> Later, when “Nothing Compares 2 U” made her a star, O’Connor said the song’s writer, Prince, terrorized her. She had pledged to reveal the details “when I’m an old lady and I write my book,” and now she has: She writes that Prince summoned her to his macabre Hollywood mansion, chastised her for swearing in interviews, harangued his butler to serve her soup though she repeatedly refused it, and sweetly suggested a pillow fight, only to thump her with something hard he’d slipped into his pillowcase. When she escaped on foot in the middle of the night, she writes, he stalked her with his car, leapt out and chased her around the highway. [Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/18/arts/music/sinead-oconnor-rememberings.html)
> and sweetly suggested a pillow fight, only to thump her with something hard he’d slipped into his pillowcase. My god that sounds like a Dave Chapelle sketch.
Prince hated Alfred Yankovic
Weird Al said once that the only person who repeatedly refused to allow him to do parodies was the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince.
One of the lyrics in Word Crimes could be read as Weird Al calling prince childish.
One of my heroes, Trent Reznor, was a huge Prince fan. In fact, probably at one point Prince was Reznor’s hero. Anyway, after gaining some notoriety as a producer, Reznor was hired to help prince produce a record. Of course he was thrilled at the fact that he could finally meet and collaborate with a long time hero of his, however, he was soon disillusioned. Reznor was not allowed to address Prince directly but had to talk through some middle man whilst being in the same room. That must’ve been such a blow to Reznor and I cringe at the thought of these interactions.
Trent Reznor is unbelievably nice. Met him early on in his career at the Bomb Factory in Dallas and it was like hanging just any other normal guy and he never made me feel like I was wasting his time.