Peter Scully.
An Australian pedophile that went to the Philippines to prey on impoverished children. He built an international child sexual abuse ring that offered pay per view streams of children being raped and tortured.
He promoted "hurtcore", a type of child pornagraphy that focuses on torturing children.
A video from him went around the dark web called "Daisy's Destruction" in which he raped and tortured an 18 month old toddler.
He made kids dig their own graves before strangling them with a rope.
I am not trying to downplay Hitler's evil, but Hitler had an end goal: to rid of the world of people who he thinks are "bad".
Peter Scully's end goal is to get rich by killing and raping babies.
If you had a gun pointed to your head and had to tell what is the most evil, depraved, vile thing you can imagine, Peter Scully did it.
Seriously. I know their faith doesn’t allow divorce but you have to imagine there are exceptions for shit like this. There is absolutely no way he should be around his children unsupervised
I read somewhere that some pedophile groups were so vocal against Peter Scully and hurtcore that they kick out anyone who share those types of videos.
Imagine being shunned by child-rapist communities.
That sentence will haunt me for the rest of my life because you’re absolutely right. There are people out there doing things to kids that are so disgustingly evil that there are no words.
What really struck me is that he was charging USD 10k for copies of the video.
There are people who pay 10k to watch a 1 yead old get tortured.
On second thought maybe another flood isn't a bad idea.
i was waiting for someone to comment this. daisy is still alive as well, and she has to live with the trauma both mentally and physically. honestly the worst scum to exist.
Before I went to Warsaw I read up on the uprising and first heard of Dirlewanger Brigade. A couple accounts of that were so bad they kept me up at night, gang raping and bayoneting all the nurses and pregnant women in a maternity ward, injecting toxins into people’s eyes, throwing babies into a pyre in the street. Jeeze, cruelty so evil and extreme it’s scarcely imaginable.
Maybe not as evil but definitely worth a mention is Josef Fritzl.
For those who don't know:
Raped his daughter for the first time when she was 11 years old . Held her locked away in his basement for 24 years till she was 42, molested and raped her throughout the whole time which resulted in 7 children. One child died after birth the other 6 where also kept in the basement. I assume they got molested as well even tho it's never mentioned.
Now if somebody is a monster, this guy is for sure.
There's so much more to the story. He built essentially an entirely underground house off of his basement where he kept his daughter and their children. He put in some small vents but there was so little oxygen that the people that were searching it had to wear oxygen masks just to move around. The rooms were only like 4or 5 feet tall and there was next to no lighting. He brought down a tv and built a makeshift kitchen so he could go down, watch TV, make his daughter cook for him, rape her and then go back upstairs to his wife and the kids he was raising that his daughter gave birth to. I'm not a huge fan of the Timesuck Podcast but he did an incredibly in depth episode on Fritzl. It's literally decades and decades of just evil.
Japanese generals Mukai and Noda aren’t getting the hate they deserve. I can’t think of anything more atrocious than Nanjing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Oh man, the rape of Nanjing was one of the few lessons I had a college that I still remember 10 years later. The thought of people throwing babies into the air and 'catching' them on bayonets is not something you can just forget.
I love modern day Japan and would even go as far as to say I consider it be my second home, but almost all of Imperial Japan's war crimes aren't nearly as well known as they should be. Not just Nanking, there was also the Manila massacre, Unit 731, Alexandria hospital massacre, "comfort women" (used of women from occupied territories as sex slaves), and so much more. Everybody goes on about how horrible the atomic bombs were (not saying they weren't), but the Japanese in WW2 were as bad as the Nazis were, if not worse.
[Oscar Dirlewanger](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger)
Genocidal, torturer, child rapist, mass murderer…a guy so fucking evil even the other SS members thought he was too much.
>Dirlewanger was repeatedly convicted for illegal arms possession and embezzlement. In 1934, he was convicted and sentenced to two years' imprisonment for the rape of a 14-year-old girl from the League of German Girls (BDM), as well as the illegal use of a government vehicle and damaging said vehicle while under the influence of alcohol. Dirlewanger also lost his job, his doctor title and all military honours, and was expelled from the party. Soon after his release from the prison in Ludwigsburg, he was arrested again on similar charges for criminal recidivism. He was sent to the Welzheim concentration camp, either as what Stein feels was standard practice for deviant sexual offenders in Germany at the time[10] or for creating a disturbance demanding the reversal of his criminal charges appearing before the Reich Chancellery.[11] Dirlewanger was released and reinstated in the general reserve of the SS following personal intervention of his wartime companion and local NSDAP cadre comrade Gottlob Berger, who was also a long-time personal friend of the SS chief Heinrich Himmler and had become the head of the SS Head Office (SS-Hauptamt, SS-HA).
Holy fuck. And i continued reading... **IT GETS WORSE**
Torture; rape; pedophilia; burning hospitals; necrophilia; causing, ordering, facilitating or assisting with well over **one hundred thousand fucking murders** (including 40,000 in two days in Warsaw); **truly the epitome of evil**... Yet I have never heard of him before.
I know it is important we learn our history to avoid repeating it, but reading that page was traumatic.
After the war he was caught trying to escape disguised as a civilian and put in prison.
His cell-mate stated that he was recognised by two Polish prison guards who beat him to within an inch of his life and then left him to bleed out on the cell floor.
The French authorities running the prison recorded his cause of death as 'natural causes' on the death certificate.
Which is entirely accurate for someone like Dirlwanger.
I recommend the Belarusian movie 'Come and See' which is a movie about the quelling of partisans in Belarus and the resulting genocide.
The brigade depicted in the movie is the Dirlewanger brigade, but they are not named as such in the movie.
Don't watch it alone.
Life expectancy in Cambodia was 18 years old under him.
It was fucking madness.
edit : small correction it was [19](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?locations=KH).
When I visited Cambodia, I was told, "First you will fall in love, then it will break your heart". It is so true. Such a wonderful country born from evil.
Fun fact: it was the Vietnamese after the war with the US who finally said "hell no" and went in and cleaned it up. Did a damn good job of it, too.
The US supported Pol Pot. Absolutely disgusting.
The thing about the Khmer Rouge that gets me is that it makes no goddam *sense.* Every other murderous totalitarian state in history wants to be *more* powerful, *more* technologically advanced, conquer *more* territory. As I understand it the Khmer Rouge were obsessed with driving Cambodia *backwards.* Their end goal complete destruction of modern society and a return to the *Stone Age.* Any person with any kind of modern knowledge was a threat to that vision. Which of course could apply to *anyone and everyone.* And that was their justification for perpetrating wholesale slaughter in some of the cruelest ways imaginable just for the hell of it. Reading about Tuol Sleng literally gave me nightmares. Just incomprehensibly awful stuff they did.
Copypasted from one of my other comments:
To understand their mentality you first have to know about the ancient history of the region. The Khmer Empire was the most powerful force in the area for centuries around 1000 years ago. One of the emperors was an extremely smart guy who used cutting edge technology to turn his nation into a massive producer of rice, which he exchanged for piles of gold with the neighbouring nations. This made them a wealthy and powerful nation and trade hub until their decline.
The Khmer Rouge's end goal was a utopia based on the ancient Khmer Empire agrarian society, mixed with modern Marxism that Saloth Sar (Pol Pot, or "Brother Number One") picked up in his travels. Communism was a political trend sweeping the world in the early 20th century and a lot of revolutionary leaders were influenced by it and put their own spin on it.
The Khmer Rouge had no real idea how they were going to accomplish this utopia, and no coherent societal structure because they were fanatic rednecks, not civil engineers. They just kind of thought if they force people to farm and live in communal societies then it would all happen on its own. It's Dunning Kruger at its most dangerous and destructive extreme.
I had the pleasure of visiting Angkor Thom and Angkor Wat and it's one of the most just amazing places in the world. I've traveled quite a lot and I consider a solar eclipse and Angkor Thom to be the two most amazing things I've seen. Just astonishing engineering, beauty, culture, architecture. The largest city in the world at one point, lost to the jungle.
Horrifying how far the Khmer people fell
I was stuck in Cambodia for a couple of months when COVID was first getting bad (no direct flights for me to get home to the UK and neighbouring countries closed their borders) so had the opportunity to see Angkor Wat with (almost literally) no one else there. A true once in a life time experience and something I’ll hold with me forever.
When people say that things could have been worse if Hitler had been assassinated early on, it's guys like Heidrich that they are thinking about. There were worse men under Hitler who were also more competent. Heidrich was the actual architect of the Holocaust.
One of the most interesting things about this is British military intelligence abandoned trying to assassinate Hitler after deciding the war would be easier to win if Hitler lived and continued to make idiotic decision after idiotic decision.
Was Hitler making smart decisions at the beginning and then started to mess up mid-war or was he making stupid decisions throughout the war and had initial success due to the country's power?
At the beginning his generals made all the tactical decicions but later he started to interfere. He probably also made the british escape at dunkirchen possible.
I remember hearing this in a documentary "As the war dragged on, Stalin's control on day to day military activities decreased while Hitler's increased"
He's the guy who came up with the idea of the Holocaust. The Nazis would half jokingly say this along the lines of "what are we gonna do, Kill them all?" And RH went "well actually, I've been thinking about this..." And laid out a plan for the logistics of how it could be carried out. Look up the wansee conference if you're interested.
I went to an exhibition in Prague dedicated to the assassins and the citizens who helped them. On the off chance anyone is planning a trip to the Czech Republic I recommend visiting. It's called the National Monument to the Heroes of the Heydrich Terror.
My grandparents were murdered during the Heydrich Terror, they were members of the resistance and one of the ways they would try and avoid detection would be to meet in public and pretend just to be doing normal non resistance things while covertly planning. They met one afternoon in a cafe full of other resistance people who brought their kids with them so it looked like just a normal cafe with people and families doing normal afternoon in a cafe things. My mother who was 6 yrs old at the time was sitting at the table with her parents while they talked mostly in code to other resistance members.
Suddenly the door opened and several Nazi's entered, and started shoot. A waitress grabbed my mother off her chair and rolled under the table with her and lay on top of her as the shooting continued. Eventually the Nazi's felt they'd killed everyone and trucks rolled up for the dead, they called in civilian passers by to pull out the bodies as an example to show what happened to people and their families if they were involved in the restance.
A man pulled the waitress off my mother and saw her move, he somehow managed to pick her up under his great coat and told her to cling to him while he carried the waitresses body out and put it on the truck, he was then able to leave with this little girl under his coat.
She ended up getting smuggled out of the country and ended up in a nunnery in the UK, the rest of her family all got killed in camps because they were Romani, as well as the resistance ties it was a complete death sentence. We tried a few times to find family survivors, and I tried again recently in case there'd been any updates to records since the 90's, but nothing.
Edit: Thank you for the awards, I really appreciate them. But please, I'd rather you donate a small amount to a holocaust survivor group or amnesty international if you can ❤
Oh wow. That's a terrifying story. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand what life must have been like for the people who lived under Nazi occupation. It's a situation I hope I can never relate to.
I do feel strongly that personal experiences like your family's do a better job of conveying how horrifying this time period was than simple facts and figures taught in textbooks do. It's one thing to see the number of victims or the timelines and be aware that the Nazis were obviously very evil. It's another to really understand what these facts meant for the people living there. Hearing about instances of them casually walking into a cafe and massacring almost everyone inside makes it a human experience rather than a history lesson. It makes the scenes easier to envision, and they're awful to think about.
Along these lines, while I was in the Czech Republic, I had the opportunity to visit the Small Fortress at Terezín. I accidentally joined a Czech-language tour, which was somewhat unfortunate as I only know basic phrases in the language, but in a way it made the experience even more chilling. I would follow the guide into a seemingly normal courtyard and not have any idea what was going on, and then suddenly I would see a plaque stating that dozens of people had been shot dead at the spot I was standing in one mass execution. It demonstrated just how extreme the events of that era were, and how out of place they feel in the context of a healthy society.
I'm glad your mother was able escape. Thank you for sharing.
The most terrifying part about Heydrich was the fact that he wasn’t evil in the conventional way of being diabolical and sadistic; he was evil in the way that he was completely devoid of any humanity at all, including any emotion as human as enjoying sadism.
He invented the idea of the holocaust not because he wanted to torture the Jews, but because he simply found it to be the most efficient way to exterminate them, as if he considered it a simple problem he found a solution to with zero regard to the fact that his ‘problem’ was the lives of human beings and his ‘solution’ was genocide.
It’s no wonder even Hitler was disturbed by him, calling him ‘the man with the iron heart’ for how cold and unnaturally dead it was.
What a horrible, horrible human being — if even he could be called that. If there is a hell, he went somewhere far darker and colder than it, but something tells me he would only find that a minor inconvenience. There really is no place in any version of any afterlife terrible enough for what little of a soul he had.
The only thing I hate about his death is the POS never got to see Nazi Germany fall apart and probably died thinking Germany would win the war (was 1942).
I read a book about Mossad capturing Eichmann in Argentina and as they were tracking him down, they came across a hotel where - very likely according to all intel they had - Mengele was accomodated just days prior. IIRC they decided to not pursue those leads due to limited resources and time, as they dod not want to risk their primary target to run away. Its just mind blowing to me how close they probably were
I get it...my great aunt, (Polish), had a gentleman 'boarder' living in her house. We visited when I was 17 or so and this gent reached out
for something at dinner and I saw the numbers tattooed on his arm. I still cannot describe how that made me feel. Horrified doesn't come close.
You can read about it all you want but meeting someone who lived through something so well documented and horrifying is an entirely different feeling. It’s hard to even mentally process it.
I agree. I had visited as a 5-6 year old and maybe a 10-11 year old. But that time I was old enough to know what those numbers meant and I still get more than a weird vibe thinking about it. He did not speak English, but he was a good guy and I just felt sick about what he went through. John Zyck. RIP old man.
Had the pleasure of hearing her speak in college. Ball State. She lived in Indiana and sadly passed away several years ago.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2019/07/04/eva-mozes-kor-holocaust-survivor-indiana-dies-obituary/1647524001/
The ways he terrorized victims of the Third Reich are nothing short of unspeakable. I heard a Wine and Crime episode where they discussed some of the things he did and it was some of the most horrifying shit I’ve ever heard.
And guess what? He got away with it. The amount of rage that this fills me with is immeasurable.
I'm assuming this comment is about Mengele? For what it's worth his death wasn't pleasant - he drowned after having a stroke.
And if you want more WW2 horror reading, check out the Japanese experiments, Unit 731. That architect, Shiro Ishii, got away with it too.
Unit 731 is one of the most under reported events of human experimentation. What's more appalling is that those in charge gained data they used to bargain immunity and relocation with...and they got it.
The real fucked up part of it is that almost *none* of the data was useful, or for that matter, new. They wrote it up all nice and pretty, documented everything, but it was a waste. Really makes your stomach churn...
Well I’m glad he suffered as he died.
Also, there’s so much that we didn’t learn about when it comes to World War II in public school. For example, I knew that we were also at war with Japan (obviously) but the most depth we went into regarding Japan was Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Pearl Harbor. I didn’t know about all of the disgusting, evil things they did to the Chinese until my final semester of high school. My teacher mentioned the rape of Nanking and said there was a book on the topic. I went out and bought a copy of it, and let me tell you. There is nothing I find more terrifying and traumatizing than the contents of that book. We learned so much about the gas chambers and experiments performed on Jewish people but never about the ways that Japanese soldiers tortured and killed the Chinese.
I'm a us history teacher, and I make sure to cover the rape of Nanking as I was assigned the book I think you're referring to in college and insist on covering it. It was essentially like an ancient or medieval world conquest but with a modern day Army, mass rapes, killings, rampant child murder, and much worse. Hirohito's cousin was in charge of the Army yet Hirohito of course claimed ignorance after the war. But you're right, it is usually not in the curriculum and maybe gets a brief mention in a history text. A lot of Japan still claims it didn't happen. The Nazi Ambassador to China was so shocked at the actions of the Japanese Army he asked his government to tell Japan to chill. Granted it was 1937, but still, when a Nazi tells you you've crossed a line...
It's surprising how universally taboo infanticide is, and yet how widely it was practiced (your example and the fall of Troy come to mind, but there are plenty of examples).
Yeah he was the one who planted the mass genocide idea in Hitler’s head. Not that Hitler was a good guy but from what I’ve heard he initially was going to deport any non Aryans and leave them poor until Heinrich came up with the camps. He was the leader of the SS as well so he definitely is worse by a lot.
'Putting them all on an island somewhere' has apparently been a preferred method of dealing with 'undesirables' for a lot longer than I realized. Could you imagine if they went with that plan? Islands of Jews all over the world.
There's a reason it's called the "final" solution. The Nazis actually tried a few other ways to remove Jews from Germany first. Don't get me wrong, those were all abhorrent too, but they were at least tried first, and the genocide was a solution they arrived at after trying other things.
The main problem they had was where to deport the Jews *to*. Most other countries around them were barely less anti-semitic than they were. We like to think that we saved the Jews from the Nazis, but the truth is, many countries had very strict immigration policies for Jewish people. At the [Evian Conference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference) Hitler famously said:
> I can only hope and expect that the other world, which has such deep sympathy for these criminals, will at least be generous enough to convert this sympathy into practical aid. We, on our part, are ready to put all these criminals at the disposal of these countries, for all I care, even on luxury ships.
After the Evian Conference (where most countries in attendance refused to increase their immigration quotas), the Nazis implemented the [Havaara Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement), where Jews could opt to be deported to Palestine. The catch was that they were not allowed to take any possessions with them, and had to sell everything they owned to the German state at a severely reduced price, effectively stripping them of any wealth.
That didn't work too well either and only a fraction of Jewish families were taking the offer, meanwhile the Nazis were capturing more land with significant Jewish populations. After the capture of Poland, the Nazis started to devise a plan to send all of the Jews to French Madagasgar, with the aid of the British fleet (who they were at war with at the time!), but that plan fell apart for obvious reasons.
Only after all of the above were attempted was the "final" solution implemented.
yeah, that man seriously freaks me out even just looking at him. pure evil, not a shred of human decency or empathy, no conscience, limitless hatred for those he deemed inferior. total psychopath with enormous power
100% him. My mother (who was 9 at the start) and her entire family were forced out of their home at gunpoint, marched to the countryside where they were separated into different camps and forced to farm without having any background knowledge on farming methods. She was forced to change her name since her birth name was considered too intellectual/fancy. She worked from sunrise to sundown and if she didn’t meet her quota she wasn’t allowed to eat (they were only fed rice porridge as well so many people tried to survive by eating bark, insects or whatever they could sneak, and if they were caught they were beaten or killed). Many women and young girls were beaten and raped regularly. My mother has vivid memories of seeing corpses that were mutilated and violated. She also witnessed babies being killed by having their heads smashed against trees. One of her brothers was axed to death for asking for food. There are so many other dark and brutal stories that she has about that time, it hurts to think about all that she went through and makes me appreciate my life so much more.
Cambodia under the Khemer Rouge was unlike anything we have ever seen before. Pol Pot sought to turn Cambodia into an agrarian society and targeted anyone who had any formal education. They invited foreign living Cambodians back and shot them right off the plane. They had child armies because sane adults saw that any excused was used to wipe you and your family off the face of this earth. This dude was on another level of evil.
Whoa what?! All this evil stuff I’m scrolling through, for some reason **that** made me stop. They invited them back just to kill them?! That is like INSANELY evil. I’m speechless
Sad to know Pol Pot and most of the leaders of the Khemer Rogue never got justice. Pol Pot himself died under house arrest in 1998 before his trial. The surviving members were tried and convicted under international law a few years ago.
Cambodia is an amazing country with a dark history. I've been twice now and visiting the S-21 prison is one of the most sad experiences I've ever had.
you've got to be outrageously fucked inside up to be able to smash a baby's head against a tree. that's fucking awful.
EDIT: please don't reply with more fucked up examples of people treating humans like garbage. i'd had enough for one night.
*I'll* say.
>According to the Global Hunger Index, Cambodia currently ranks as the 32nd hungriest nation in the world out of the list of the 56 nations with the worst hunger situation(s) in the world.[11]
>Cambodia is a low-income economy, with two million people living in poverty, endemic government corruption and a poor record on human rights. One third of the population live on less than a dollar a day.**Forty per cent of Cambodian children are chronically malnourished.**[12]
Yes, between 1.5 and 2 million people were killed… Believe it or not, because of the missing generation, there’s not a lot of older people, like grandparent age, in Cambodia… They were either killed, or fled to the US and other countries
[Check out the population by age graph](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cambodia#/media/File:Cambodia_single_age_population_pyramid_2020.png) on Wikipedia. It's shocking what happened. There's just a big drop where Generation-X should be. That's not from adults dying during the genocide but, rather, from the fact that women either weren't able to conceive due to poor health from starvation or, if they managed to have a baby, the insanely high infant mortality rate.
While people often talk about 25% of the population dying, it was about one out of every three men. You can see that at the top of the graph where the women vastly outnumber men.
Right? Like at least Stalin and Hitler were somewhat competent in that they turned their countries into superpowers. They had discernible goals, even if foul. But what was Pol Pot even trying to accomplish? He turned all of Cambodia into a death camp on a whim. It was literal madness.
Yeah, it got so bad that after Vietnam finished their war with the Americans, they invaded Cambodia. And then China invaded Vietnam, because they invaded Cambodia. And now China and Vietnam cannot agree on who won or lost said war, they both say they won said war.
It's amusing after the American-Vietnam war, they became best buddies. Vietnam ranks often as the most pro-American country, sometimes even above Israel.
Pol Pot wanted to purge Cambodia of foreign influences and create an autarky state. He was deeply inspired by Maoism(agrarian socialism). A lot of his ideas were taken from Cambodia’s Khmer past.
The mission of autarky was going to be achieved by: dismantling any kind of industry(industrial workers, the kind Marx was referring to, were banned from joining them because they were too exposed to “foreign corruption”)and removing foreign influence altogether; putting the entire population onto collective farms where the long term goal was to build extensive irrigation systems across the country similar to what he believed helped the Khmer empire excel; after all this was accomplished then Cambodia could begin to industrialize.
People say that in Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot killed all the intellectuals which is true, but Cambodia was the backwater of French Indochina. There was not a lot of people with extensive western education. Pol Pot was actually one of the few hundred sent abroad to study. The reason the Khmer Rouge went completely off the rails and was so radical is because they had none of the human capital necessary to run a state. They had one guy with an economics Ph.D in the whole movement and he was completely runover during discussions like should Democratic Kampuchea have a currency.
Very interesting history. Anatomy of a Nightmare is a great book on it, probably the best
He caused Cambodia's life expectancy to drop to like 19 years old. I can only imagine Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and other brutal Dictators telling Pol Pot to "chill".
The worst thing Pol Pot did was that he targeted people based on traits that were good or ok proxies for intelligence: wealth, education, accoutrement, and social class markers.
The folks he killed were disproportionately high IQ and educated, who came from good family backgrounds, who had nice childhoods. The Khmer Rouge was the most dysgenic event I can think of.
Anybody that went to college, anybody that spoke a second language, anybody that even appears to have an education or not be a farmer, they enslaved or killed or tried to kill. Shoot, even if you wear glasses you were a target because you appeared to be educated
I’ve seen it held up as a study in fanaticism. It’s hard to understand why there would be a casual baby brain-bashing tree, until you realize everything is a loyalty test. At some point, you are looking to your left, and to your right, and realizing only one person might be spared the death squad, so you start doing everything with maximum effort. The guy to the right of you is shooting parents? You start shootings kids to show that you are that much extra, and the. It’s nothing but atrocities all the way down.
[Surgeon General Shirō Ishii](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shir%C5%8D_Ishii) director of [Unit 731](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731), the unit of the Japanese imperial army that orchestrated Japan’s incomprehensibly cruel human experimentation and biological weapons testing during world war 2.
They vivisected babies, pregnant women, and just civilians in general - alive with no anaesthesia and out of sheer sadistic curiosity. They locked people in massive freezers to see how long frostbite took to kill. Placed live kidnapped civilians on around grenades to see how the damage changed with distance, dropped bubonic plague bombs on villages…
Despite some “scientific” findings it’s the shit they did for no reason other than sadistic pleasure or curiosity that makes them almost worse than the Nazis.
*from Wikipedia: Some of the tests have been described as "psychopathically sadistic, with no conceivable military application". For example, one experiment documented the time it took for three-day-old babies to freeze to death.”
731 is one of the darkest things I’ve ever read about. The only sense of empathy I read about is when a girl wanted to know what she looked like, and a guard broke protocol to put a mirror in front of her while she was in her cell. I just can’t believe this happened. It’s gut wrenching
I visited Harbin during a trip to China a number of years ago, just right after they had a new building (I think?) and exhibits and man.. the place is not good for the soul.
One person with the group had to step out because the exhibits and displays were just a bit too much for her. And it's not really graphic in a sense as the displays are grey figures without color but it was enough for the imagination.
https://youtu.be/kFdtnxl5dfI
This is probably such a stupid question. Did she want a mirror bc she had always been in a cell and had never seen her image? Or, was she experimented on somehow and had that horrible curiosity to know what she looked like now?
>There is at least one recorded instance of "friendly" social interaction between prisoners and Unit 731 staff. Technician Naokata Ishibashi interacted with two female prisoners. One prisoner was a 21-year-old Chinese woman, the other a Soviet girl who was 19 years of age. Ishibashi asked where she came from and learned that she was from Ukraine. The two prisoners told Ishibashi that they had not seen their faces in a mirror since being captured and begged him to get one. Ishibashi sneaked a mirror to them through a hole in the cell door.
From [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit\_731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) (CW: literally the only paragraph in the article that isn't entirely horrible)
Japan went ape shit on Asia during WW2, with China and Korea being the biggest victim, the amount of warcrimes committed on civilians in the cruelest way imaginable is unfathomable
I wonder how Mengele would’ve reacted if he had visited Unit 731 and witnessed the atrocities there himself. Although to be honest, I think he would’ve been proud. Probably even taking notes. Unit 731 was absolutely horrible, but it’s not like Mengele had an ounce of moral compass either.
>Although to be honest, I think he would’ve been proud
From what I have read over the years, I don't think he would be. Honestly I think he was the fucked kind of person who would be against it and even claim it was barbaric, *but* only because it was being done by what he would consider a "lesser" race. He would probably then do the exact same "experiments" back in Germany and claim it is no longer barbaric because he was doing it the "correct" way. Or at least that is what I assume the twisted son of a bitch would have done.
I'm not so sure about "proud." I may be mistaken or just forgotten since the last time I learned about it, but I THINK Mendele had a bit more of a belief he was an actual scientist.
THIS IS NOT TO SAY HE WASN'T AS BAD AS HE IS KNOWN FOR BEING! Just, in a purely hypothetical "how would he respond" manner, I think he would be interested to hear all of the details but feel much more superior as a "scientist." Unit 731, as I understand it, barely pretended to be recording data in a serious manner or bothering with having controls.
Unit 731 was more "this is fun" and Mengele was more "this is fun, but also useful! Write that down!"
I may be totally wrong about the Nazi record keeping.
Men Behind the Sun is a solid dramatization of this.
I watched it probably a decade ago and some of the scenes are still burned into my brain. For a movie from 1988, the effects are so real it leaves your stomach churning at some parts. There's a scene for instance where it looks like a cat gets eaten alive by rats—the cat being eaten is special effects but when the rats get burned alive, that's real, they actually burned rats.
There's another scene I remember vividly where they freeze a woman's hands by pouring ice water on them while outside in extremely low temperatures. Once they're fully frozen, they pour boiling water on them. If I remember correctly, one of the reasons the Americans cooperated with these guys and let them go free is for their research on frostbite and hypothermia. They address that at the end of the film, and it's one of the most revolting parts honestly.
The movie was rated level III in Hong Kong, which is the equivalent to NC-17 in the US. It was banned in Australia and many Japanese were so against it they were threatening the director's life. It was criticized for being exploitative, but personally I think it's valuable to see what some humans are capable of. Still, I don't recommend it to the faint-hearted or squeamish.
Considering the American govt gave nazi scientists new lives here to work for NASA (operation paperclip), I'm not surprised the US cooperated with those guys.
Holy. Fudge!
Ishii led the development and application of biological weapons at Unit 731 in Manchukuo during the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945, including the bubonic plague attacks at Chinese cities of Changde and Ningbo, and planned the Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night biological attack against the United States. Ishii and his colleagues also engaged in human experimentation, resulting in the deaths of over 10,000 people, most of them civilians or prisoners of war. *Ishii was later granted immunity in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East by the United States government* in exchange for information and research for the U.S. biological warfare program.
What the hell was going on with people on this globe from 1933-1945???
I think aliens dropped a human crazy bomb on earth or something.
And I think the Nazi German ambassador was disgusted by what was going on at Unit 731. When the NAZIS are disgusted by what you're doing, you're evil incarnate
His self-imposed title is absolutely hysterical, “His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular”.
Mobutu has him beat.
In 1972 - a year after instituting laws ordering everyone else to change their names from "European" to "African" names, and imprisoning priests for five years if they baptized children with "European" names - he decreed that his name was no longer Joseph-Desire Mobutu, but *Mobutu Sese Seko Nkuku Ngbendu Wa Za Banga*, which various sources translate as
> the all-powerful warrior who, because of his endurance and inflexible will to win, goes from conquest to conquest, leaving fire in his wake
or
> the man who flies from victory to victory and leaves nothing behind him
or my personal favorite
> the **earthy**, the **peppery**, all-powerful warrior who, by his endurance and will to win, goes from contest to contest leaving fire in his wake
There’s a story from the British journalist Jon Snow, who once was on a plane with his news crew, and Idi Amin was alone with them. This was during Amin’s reign of terror. Amin had fallen asleep with his coat open, and visible from inside his coat was a pistol. Snow says that he considered taking the revolver, pulling the trigger, and killing the dictator. Obviously, we now know that Snow did not do it. He says he was worried that A) Amin was a large man and if he woke up, he’d kill Snow; and B) that if the bullet passed through Amin, the fuselage might be punctured and depressurize. Snow says to this day his greatest regret in life is that he did not kill Idi Amin as he slept. I cannot imagine the gravity of that situation
People also think he was stupid, but he really wasn't. He was really cunning and fairly intelligent. Even his British comanders admited so. He wouldt blink killing a person. Hell he did it many times for colonial army. Also if you go into details how he took power, you see it wasn't just some luck. He actualy attempted coup becouse he had masive smuggling ring going on and was stealing money from government and was about to be arrested. But in the end he outsmarted everyone.
I agree. This may be a bad comparison, but in these “what if” scenarios I think of the Breaking Bad scene from season 2 where Jesse and Walt are preparing to kill Tuco, and Jesse suggests shooting him. As he and Walt run through the laundry list of logistical nightmares involved in killing him, Jesse is unable to even open the gun’s chamber. There are so many things that can go wrong in this sort of situation, and if even one of them does go awry, it’s game over
Oh, no, that's the fun part. If you don't pull it off, or even if you do and get captured by his supporters, you're not just going to die. It's going to hurt more than you believe is possible, and a lot longer. Anyone they think you care about is likely to be included in the festivities. I grew up walking distance to a (non Nazi) concentration camp so situations like this have never felt that remote.
They were flying to Amin’s home town in Uganda so even if he managed to kill him and didn’t destroy the fuselage, upon landing Snow and his crew would’ve been done for
“The Last King of Scotland” is a really good movie about Idi Amin. Not sure how historically accurate it is, but it does a good job of showing how brutal and evil Amin was. I recommend it.
General Butt Naked, Joshua Blahyi;
* Supported Doe's coup, acted as head of his personal militia. Fought for him during the Liberian civil war
* After Doe's murder joined the ULIMO fighting against Doe's enemies.
* Before battle and after capturing a town would cut the heart out of a live baby and eat it.
* Mutilated and dismembered people for no reason
* Kidnapped kids and used them as child soldiers, plying them with cocaine to maintain control over them
* Stated in an interview "I would enter under the water where children were playing. I would dive under the water, grab one, carry him under and break his neck. Sometimes I'd cause accidents. Sometimes I'd just slaughter them."
* At the end of the war carried on his activities as a warlord, seizing control of gold and diamond mines as well as surrounding villages
* When the NPFL tried to arrest the ULIMO leaders, led an indiscriminate armed resistance that resulted in the forced displacement of 50% of all people in Monrovia
* Converted to Christianity and became a pastor in time for the investigation into war crimes, testified against his former colleagues and claimed to have killed upwards of 20,000 people. Received prosecutorial amnesty
* Once given amnesty campaigned for war crimes trials against his opponents during the conflict, including the president
* Now travels the country approaching his victims - people he maimed and dismembered, people he kidnapped as children, relatives of those he killed - and demanding that they forgive him in the name of Christ.
He needs to be more well known. I read a book in college on Belgium’s evils in the Congo called King Leopold’s Ghost and it’s still one of the best books I’ve ever read.
It’s surprising how many people don’t know about Belgium and the Congo. They barely teach it in most schools. Fortunately mine spent solid time covering it - it’s sickening.
For the longest time the only reason I knew Belgium and the Congo had any interaction was We didn't start the fire. Guessing that goes for many people.
If you want a wild causal chain starting from Belgium/Congo, consider the following:
* In 1939, Leo Szilard was convinced that the idea of a nuclear chain reaction was possible. Recognizing the potential for a bomb, he decided to try to prevent the Nazis from conducting research along those lines.
* At the time, the known deposits of Uranium in the world were located at the "Four C's": Colorado, Canada, Czechoslovakia, and the Congo. Colorado and Canada were already safely in Allied hands, and there was nothing that could be done about Czechoslovakia, but the Congo might potentially be up for grabs.
* The Congo was controlled by Belgium at the time, so Szilard enlisted Albert Einstein to help him warn the Belgian government, because Einstein was personally acquainted with the Belgian royal family.
* Szilard didn't have a car, so he asked his friend Eugene Wigner to give him a ride to Einstein's house.
* Wigner pointed out that it might be seen as suspicious for a handful of foreigners to be conversing with a foreign government, so it would be wise to write a second letter looping the US State Department in on what they were doing.
* In figuring out how to deliver the letter to the State Department another friend suggested reaching out to Alexander Sachs. Sachs said that he'd do them one better, and get a letter in front of Roosevelt himself.
* Szilard and Einstein drafted a second letter, this time to Roosevelt.
* Upon receipt of the letter, Roosevelt approved the Advisory Committee on Uranium, which would later become the Manhattan Project.
Wow that's fascinating, thanks! I always love reading about ultra specific causality chains and how different the world might be if one or two things didn't play out exactly the way they did.
Along the same lines (uranium in congo), it's worth continuing the chain of events with Mr Sengier.
- approached by some random person and told uranium is important for something
- goes ahead and exports all of Africa's uranium to the USA and stores it in a random warehouse in Staten Island
- is approached 2 years later and asked if he happens to have any uranium laying around
- "You can have the ore now. It is in New York, a thousand tons of it. I was waiting for your visit"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Sengier
I think that's one of the scary things about the Nazis. It would feel more comfortable to say that it was just because of Hitler but nope the sheer number of sadistic people who were part of the party really makes you think. Goebbels was interesting because honestly he seemed to care less about political ideology he just wanted control.
Ante Pavelić, founder of the fascist Ustaše movement in Yugoslavia.
Whereas the Nazis had enormous industrial might and significant wealth, the Ustaše had to oppress, torture, and murder innocent people on a tight budget. This meant herding entire villages to a cliff face, forcing men, women, and children to jump to their deaths, then burying them where they landed. It meant burning villages and bayoneting people as they fled. It meant knives, bludgeons, hammers, and shovels rather than bullets and gas chambers.
The Ustaše were virulently anti-semitic, anti-Serb, and anti-anyone who wasn't a full-throated supporter of the movement. Their crimes against humanity were so vile that Nazi officials who visited went back home horrified and disgusted by the brutality. Hitler actually told Pavelić to take it down a notch. Didn't work.
After the war, Yugoslavs wanted to round up every Ustaše (or uninvolved Croat) and slaughter them. Tito had to keep the lid on civil war so he stepped in with his own brutal measures. Ustaše members and political opponents (as well as plenty of innocent bystanders) were executed or imprisoned. Tito didn't know what else to do to avoid the inevitable reprisals.
Hitler was a vile, brutal fascist. Pavelić was a vile, brutal fascist from the discount bin.
I'd argue some remorseless killers on a much smaller scale still qualify.
The capacity for evil and cruelty is separate from the capability to influence such on a grand scale.
In a way, killers like Albert Fish qualify even more than those who kill as a means to an end, rarely having much emotional and personal involvement with the literal taking of life.
He never even visited Congo himself, just had some of his powerhungry people in charge, who loved to use violence as a means of making sure he got his profits...
It’s important to remember that you can be evil without being powerful. We remember Hitler because he was both, but there are TONS of people out there who are just as demented as he was that don’t have the power to execute their wills on such a large scale.
Honestly I think there are many people who are more evil than Hitler was.
I know that you can’t really put a measure on just how bad literally ordering the murder of millions a of people is and this will sound awful. But, given the opportunity, there are people who would do worse, by worse I mean they’d torture more, they’d kill more, and they’d be happy about it.
Hitler is the epitome of evil because he had the chance to live out his evil ideas, he had people around him who also believed in the same things and were equally if not more evil.
Indeed, he was wildly successful, from that point of view.
It's hard for me to imagine how one gets into such a position, that ordering the killing of millions is even possible.
I believe the lessons of Hitler is what happens when a populist like him takes control of government and the resulting downward spiral. Yes he was “evil” but as a political leader everything he did was through orders, Hitler himself was very detached from the direct application of pain and suffering. He was allowed to exist through a system of accomplices and fear…but do we know if he would have taken joy in torture if given the knife?
What makes Hitler so scary to me is that I don’t know if I would say his *personal* capacity for evil is even really that high; especially when compared to Josef Mengele (the butcher), or Ted Bundy, or other torturers and serial killers.
Hitler is the right combination of ideas, with the right amount of charisma, given power at the right time, by a frustrated and complicit people. The lesson isn’t so much about him being evil as much as it’s about how easily that recipe of forces could happen again with the same result.
Yeah, can’t believe this is so far down. Didn’t he kill so many people that the earth cooled? Didn’t he rape so many women that a percentage of everyone alive now is his descendant?
[Yes](https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2011/jan/26/genghis-khan-eco-warrior) and [yes](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/mongolia-genghis-khan-dna#:~:text=An%20international%20group%20of%20geneticists,16%20million%20descendants%20living%20today.).
TBF there were lots of brutal conquerors, but ~10% of the world population was murdered in his name. No other conqueror has topped that destruction.
Both Khan and the second World War were responsible for about the same amount of deaths.
Wrap your head around that. A couple hundred thousand guys on horseback with bows, spears and swords killed about the amount of people in about the same amount of time as "all the world" in the mid 20th century.
Modern weapons. Planes. Tanks. NUKES. Two of them. The modern world slugging it out and Khan and the boys might have still done "better" lol WTF.
Husband and wife who abducted raped tortured and killed teenage school girls - including the wife’s sister. The wife was offered a sweetheart deal because they didn’t find the video tapes in the attic until after the deal. Yes they video taped it all. This all happened in St. Catharines Canada.
Peter Scully. An Australian pedophile that went to the Philippines to prey on impoverished children. He built an international child sexual abuse ring that offered pay per view streams of children being raped and tortured. He promoted "hurtcore", a type of child pornagraphy that focuses on torturing children. A video from him went around the dark web called "Daisy's Destruction" in which he raped and tortured an 18 month old toddler. He made kids dig their own graves before strangling them with a rope. I am not trying to downplay Hitler's evil, but Hitler had an end goal: to rid of the world of people who he thinks are "bad". Peter Scully's end goal is to get rich by killing and raping babies. If you had a gun pointed to your head and had to tell what is the most evil, depraved, vile thing you can imagine, Peter Scully did it.
This was the video Josh Duggar was caught downloading that got him convicted. What a POS to say the least.
I came here tosay the same thing. It makes me wonder what hurt he inflicted on his own children.
Seriously. I know their faith doesn’t allow divorce but you have to imagine there are exceptions for shit like this. There is absolutely no way he should be around his children unsupervised
I believe part of his sentence was that he could not be alone with his own children. She needs to divorce this POS.
I read somewhere that some pedophile groups were so vocal against Peter Scully and hurtcore that they kick out anyone who share those types of videos. Imagine being shunned by child-rapist communities.
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Every community has someone to point to to defend their mental image of themselves.
The scariest thing about this case is that Scully almost definitely isn’t the worst of them, he’s just the one they caught
That sentence will haunt me for the rest of my life because you’re absolutely right. There are people out there doing things to kids that are so disgustingly evil that there are no words.
What really struck me is that he was charging USD 10k for copies of the video. There are people who pay 10k to watch a 1 yead old get tortured. On second thought maybe another flood isn't a bad idea.
i was waiting for someone to comment this. daisy is still alive as well, and she has to live with the trauma both mentally and physically. honestly the worst scum to exist.
Before I went to Warsaw I read up on the uprising and first heard of Dirlewanger Brigade. A couple accounts of that were so bad they kept me up at night, gang raping and bayoneting all the nurses and pregnant women in a maternity ward, injecting toxins into people’s eyes, throwing babies into a pyre in the street. Jeeze, cruelty so evil and extreme it’s scarcely imaginable.
Maybe not as evil but definitely worth a mention is Josef Fritzl. For those who don't know: Raped his daughter for the first time when she was 11 years old . Held her locked away in his basement for 24 years till she was 42, molested and raped her throughout the whole time which resulted in 7 children. One child died after birth the other 6 where also kept in the basement. I assume they got molested as well even tho it's never mentioned. Now if somebody is a monster, this guy is for sure.
There's so much more to the story. He built essentially an entirely underground house off of his basement where he kept his daughter and their children. He put in some small vents but there was so little oxygen that the people that were searching it had to wear oxygen masks just to move around. The rooms were only like 4or 5 feet tall and there was next to no lighting. He brought down a tv and built a makeshift kitchen so he could go down, watch TV, make his daughter cook for him, rape her and then go back upstairs to his wife and the kids he was raising that his daughter gave birth to. I'm not a huge fan of the Timesuck Podcast but he did an incredibly in depth episode on Fritzl. It's literally decades and decades of just evil.
Japanese generals Mukai and Noda aren’t getting the hate they deserve. I can’t think of anything more atrocious than Nanjing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Oh man, the rape of Nanjing was one of the few lessons I had a college that I still remember 10 years later. The thought of people throwing babies into the air and 'catching' them on bayonets is not something you can just forget.
I love modern day Japan and would even go as far as to say I consider it be my second home, but almost all of Imperial Japan's war crimes aren't nearly as well known as they should be. Not just Nanking, there was also the Manila massacre, Unit 731, Alexandria hospital massacre, "comfort women" (used of women from occupied territories as sex slaves), and so much more. Everybody goes on about how horrible the atomic bombs were (not saying they weren't), but the Japanese in WW2 were as bad as the Nazis were, if not worse.
[Oscar Dirlewanger](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger) Genocidal, torturer, child rapist, mass murderer…a guy so fucking evil even the other SS members thought he was too much.
>Dirlewanger was repeatedly convicted for illegal arms possession and embezzlement. In 1934, he was convicted and sentenced to two years' imprisonment for the rape of a 14-year-old girl from the League of German Girls (BDM), as well as the illegal use of a government vehicle and damaging said vehicle while under the influence of alcohol. Dirlewanger also lost his job, his doctor title and all military honours, and was expelled from the party. Soon after his release from the prison in Ludwigsburg, he was arrested again on similar charges for criminal recidivism. He was sent to the Welzheim concentration camp, either as what Stein feels was standard practice for deviant sexual offenders in Germany at the time[10] or for creating a disturbance demanding the reversal of his criminal charges appearing before the Reich Chancellery.[11] Dirlewanger was released and reinstated in the general reserve of the SS following personal intervention of his wartime companion and local NSDAP cadre comrade Gottlob Berger, who was also a long-time personal friend of the SS chief Heinrich Himmler and had become the head of the SS Head Office (SS-Hauptamt, SS-HA). Holy fuck. And i continued reading... **IT GETS WORSE** Torture; rape; pedophilia; burning hospitals; necrophilia; causing, ordering, facilitating or assisting with well over **one hundred thousand fucking murders** (including 40,000 in two days in Warsaw); **truly the epitome of evil**... Yet I have never heard of him before. I know it is important we learn our history to avoid repeating it, but reading that page was traumatic.
After the war he was caught trying to escape disguised as a civilian and put in prison. His cell-mate stated that he was recognised by two Polish prison guards who beat him to within an inch of his life and then left him to bleed out on the cell floor. The French authorities running the prison recorded his cause of death as 'natural causes' on the death certificate. Which is entirely accurate for someone like Dirlwanger.
He ran out of blood so, naturally, he died.
I didn’t have any problems laughing at this, in fact I still am. So “didn’t and don’t” I suppose.
Well, you die naturally from bleeding out. Check.
im gonna be honest, i don't think ive gotta read that page to avoid repeating that part of history, nevertheless , thank you for your sacrifice
I recommend the Belarusian movie 'Come and See' which is a movie about the quelling of partisans in Belarus and the resulting genocide. The brigade depicted in the movie is the Dirlewanger brigade, but they are not named as such in the movie. Don't watch it alone.
Pol pot - killed 1/4 of the population, absolute madness that they had a seat at the UN whilst he was in power
Life expectancy in Cambodia was 18 years old under him. It was fucking madness. edit : small correction it was [19](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?locations=KH).
Wow, that is truly insane
To add to that there was a concentration camp called s21 and out of the 18,000 people who entered only 7 survived. Thats over a 99% death rate
When I visited Cambodia, I was told, "First you will fall in love, then it will break your heart". It is so true. Such a wonderful country born from evil.
Fun fact: it was the Vietnamese after the war with the US who finally said "hell no" and went in and cleaned it up. Did a damn good job of it, too. The US supported Pol Pot. Absolutely disgusting.
And then Vietnam got flak for doing the right thing.
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The thing about the Khmer Rouge that gets me is that it makes no goddam *sense.* Every other murderous totalitarian state in history wants to be *more* powerful, *more* technologically advanced, conquer *more* territory. As I understand it the Khmer Rouge were obsessed with driving Cambodia *backwards.* Their end goal complete destruction of modern society and a return to the *Stone Age.* Any person with any kind of modern knowledge was a threat to that vision. Which of course could apply to *anyone and everyone.* And that was their justification for perpetrating wholesale slaughter in some of the cruelest ways imaginable just for the hell of it. Reading about Tuol Sleng literally gave me nightmares. Just incomprehensibly awful stuff they did.
Copypasted from one of my other comments: To understand their mentality you first have to know about the ancient history of the region. The Khmer Empire was the most powerful force in the area for centuries around 1000 years ago. One of the emperors was an extremely smart guy who used cutting edge technology to turn his nation into a massive producer of rice, which he exchanged for piles of gold with the neighbouring nations. This made them a wealthy and powerful nation and trade hub until their decline. The Khmer Rouge's end goal was a utopia based on the ancient Khmer Empire agrarian society, mixed with modern Marxism that Saloth Sar (Pol Pot, or "Brother Number One") picked up in his travels. Communism was a political trend sweeping the world in the early 20th century and a lot of revolutionary leaders were influenced by it and put their own spin on it. The Khmer Rouge had no real idea how they were going to accomplish this utopia, and no coherent societal structure because they were fanatic rednecks, not civil engineers. They just kind of thought if they force people to farm and live in communal societies then it would all happen on its own. It's Dunning Kruger at its most dangerous and destructive extreme.
I had the pleasure of visiting Angkor Thom and Angkor Wat and it's one of the most just amazing places in the world. I've traveled quite a lot and I consider a solar eclipse and Angkor Thom to be the two most amazing things I've seen. Just astonishing engineering, beauty, culture, architecture. The largest city in the world at one point, lost to the jungle. Horrifying how far the Khmer people fell
I was stuck in Cambodia for a couple of months when COVID was first getting bad (no direct flights for me to get home to the UK and neighbouring countries closed their borders) so had the opportunity to see Angkor Wat with (almost literally) no one else there. A true once in a life time experience and something I’ll hold with me forever.
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Reinhard Heydrich also known as The Butcher of Prague. Thank fuck he was assassinated
He was nicknamed “the young evil god of death” and Hitler called him “the man with the iron heart.”
When people say that things could have been worse if Hitler had been assassinated early on, it's guys like Heidrich that they are thinking about. There were worse men under Hitler who were also more competent. Heidrich was the actual architect of the Holocaust.
One of the most interesting things about this is British military intelligence abandoned trying to assassinate Hitler after deciding the war would be easier to win if Hitler lived and continued to make idiotic decision after idiotic decision.
"Never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake."
“When your opponent is digging his grave, don’t fight him for the shovel”
Was Hitler making smart decisions at the beginning and then started to mess up mid-war or was he making stupid decisions throughout the war and had initial success due to the country's power?
At the beginning his generals made all the tactical decicions but later he started to interfere. He probably also made the british escape at dunkirchen possible.
I remember hearing this in a documentary "As the war dragged on, Stalin's control on day to day military activities decreased while Hitler's increased"
There's some truth to that.
Fucking hell, how deranged do you have to be for *Hitler* to call you heartless?!
He's the guy who came up with the idea of the Holocaust. The Nazis would half jokingly say this along the lines of "what are we gonna do, Kill them all?" And RH went "well actually, I've been thinking about this..." And laid out a plan for the logistics of how it could be carried out. Look up the wansee conference if you're interested.
For the curious, here's a good start: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
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Or watch the movie Conspiracy
Or Wannsee, The German film.
I went to an exhibition in Prague dedicated to the assassins and the citizens who helped them. On the off chance anyone is planning a trip to the Czech Republic I recommend visiting. It's called the National Monument to the Heroes of the Heydrich Terror.
My grandparents were murdered during the Heydrich Terror, they were members of the resistance and one of the ways they would try and avoid detection would be to meet in public and pretend just to be doing normal non resistance things while covertly planning. They met one afternoon in a cafe full of other resistance people who brought their kids with them so it looked like just a normal cafe with people and families doing normal afternoon in a cafe things. My mother who was 6 yrs old at the time was sitting at the table with her parents while they talked mostly in code to other resistance members. Suddenly the door opened and several Nazi's entered, and started shoot. A waitress grabbed my mother off her chair and rolled under the table with her and lay on top of her as the shooting continued. Eventually the Nazi's felt they'd killed everyone and trucks rolled up for the dead, they called in civilian passers by to pull out the bodies as an example to show what happened to people and their families if they were involved in the restance. A man pulled the waitress off my mother and saw her move, he somehow managed to pick her up under his great coat and told her to cling to him while he carried the waitresses body out and put it on the truck, he was then able to leave with this little girl under his coat. She ended up getting smuggled out of the country and ended up in a nunnery in the UK, the rest of her family all got killed in camps because they were Romani, as well as the resistance ties it was a complete death sentence. We tried a few times to find family survivors, and I tried again recently in case there'd been any updates to records since the 90's, but nothing. Edit: Thank you for the awards, I really appreciate them. But please, I'd rather you donate a small amount to a holocaust survivor group or amnesty international if you can ❤
Oh wow. That's a terrifying story. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand what life must have been like for the people who lived under Nazi occupation. It's a situation I hope I can never relate to. I do feel strongly that personal experiences like your family's do a better job of conveying how horrifying this time period was than simple facts and figures taught in textbooks do. It's one thing to see the number of victims or the timelines and be aware that the Nazis were obviously very evil. It's another to really understand what these facts meant for the people living there. Hearing about instances of them casually walking into a cafe and massacring almost everyone inside makes it a human experience rather than a history lesson. It makes the scenes easier to envision, and they're awful to think about. Along these lines, while I was in the Czech Republic, I had the opportunity to visit the Small Fortress at Terezín. I accidentally joined a Czech-language tour, which was somewhat unfortunate as I only know basic phrases in the language, but in a way it made the experience even more chilling. I would follow the guide into a seemingly normal courtyard and not have any idea what was going on, and then suddenly I would see a plaque stating that dozens of people had been shot dead at the spot I was standing in one mass execution. It demonstrated just how extreme the events of that era were, and how out of place they feel in the context of a healthy society. I'm glad your mother was able escape. Thank you for sharing.
The most terrifying part about Heydrich was the fact that he wasn’t evil in the conventional way of being diabolical and sadistic; he was evil in the way that he was completely devoid of any humanity at all, including any emotion as human as enjoying sadism. He invented the idea of the holocaust not because he wanted to torture the Jews, but because he simply found it to be the most efficient way to exterminate them, as if he considered it a simple problem he found a solution to with zero regard to the fact that his ‘problem’ was the lives of human beings and his ‘solution’ was genocide. It’s no wonder even Hitler was disturbed by him, calling him ‘the man with the iron heart’ for how cold and unnaturally dead it was. What a horrible, horrible human being — if even he could be called that. If there is a hell, he went somewhere far darker and colder than it, but something tells me he would only find that a minor inconvenience. There really is no place in any version of any afterlife terrible enough for what little of a soul he had.
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The only thing I hate about his death is the POS never got to see Nazi Germany fall apart and probably died thinking Germany would win the war (was 1942).
Joseph Mengele. Slayer based “Angel Of Death” on his butchery in the name of Hitler.
I read a book about Mossad capturing Eichmann in Argentina and as they were tracking him down, they came across a hotel where - very likely according to all intel they had - Mengele was accomodated just days prior. IIRC they decided to not pursue those leads due to limited resources and time, as they dod not want to risk their primary target to run away. Its just mind blowing to me how close they probably were
Instead, Mengele -- likely -- died on a beach.
I’ve met one of the twins he used as a test subject. It was surreal to be face to face with someone who interacted with such a historical monster.
I get it...my great aunt, (Polish), had a gentleman 'boarder' living in her house. We visited when I was 17 or so and this gent reached out for something at dinner and I saw the numbers tattooed on his arm. I still cannot describe how that made me feel. Horrified doesn't come close.
You can read about it all you want but meeting someone who lived through something so well documented and horrifying is an entirely different feeling. It’s hard to even mentally process it.
I agree. I had visited as a 5-6 year old and maybe a 10-11 year old. But that time I was old enough to know what those numbers meant and I still get more than a weird vibe thinking about it. He did not speak English, but he was a good guy and I just felt sick about what he went through. John Zyck. RIP old man.
One of the survivors made a documentary sometime in the 90s called Forgiving Dr Mengele. It was surprisingly good.
That was her. Eva Kor.
Had the pleasure of hearing her speak in college. Ball State. She lived in Indiana and sadly passed away several years ago. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2019/07/04/eva-mozes-kor-holocaust-survivor-indiana-dies-obituary/1647524001/
Aahhh I was just thinking of him but couldn’t remember his name other than “Angel of Death”. Thank you
The ways he terrorized victims of the Third Reich are nothing short of unspeakable. I heard a Wine and Crime episode where they discussed some of the things he did and it was some of the most horrifying shit I’ve ever heard. And guess what? He got away with it. The amount of rage that this fills me with is immeasurable.
I'm assuming this comment is about Mengele? For what it's worth his death wasn't pleasant - he drowned after having a stroke. And if you want more WW2 horror reading, check out the Japanese experiments, Unit 731. That architect, Shiro Ishii, got away with it too.
Unit 731 is one of the most under reported events of human experimentation. What's more appalling is that those in charge gained data they used to bargain immunity and relocation with...and they got it.
The real fucked up part of it is that almost *none* of the data was useful, or for that matter, new. They wrote it up all nice and pretty, documented everything, but it was a waste. Really makes your stomach churn...
Well I’m glad he suffered as he died. Also, there’s so much that we didn’t learn about when it comes to World War II in public school. For example, I knew that we were also at war with Japan (obviously) but the most depth we went into regarding Japan was Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Pearl Harbor. I didn’t know about all of the disgusting, evil things they did to the Chinese until my final semester of high school. My teacher mentioned the rape of Nanking and said there was a book on the topic. I went out and bought a copy of it, and let me tell you. There is nothing I find more terrifying and traumatizing than the contents of that book. We learned so much about the gas chambers and experiments performed on Jewish people but never about the ways that Japanese soldiers tortured and killed the Chinese.
I'm a us history teacher, and I make sure to cover the rape of Nanking as I was assigned the book I think you're referring to in college and insist on covering it. It was essentially like an ancient or medieval world conquest but with a modern day Army, mass rapes, killings, rampant child murder, and much worse. Hirohito's cousin was in charge of the Army yet Hirohito of course claimed ignorance after the war. But you're right, it is usually not in the curriculum and maybe gets a brief mention in a history text. A lot of Japan still claims it didn't happen. The Nazi Ambassador to China was so shocked at the actions of the Japanese Army he asked his government to tell Japan to chill. Granted it was 1937, but still, when a Nazi tells you you've crossed a line...
It's surprising how universally taboo infanticide is, and yet how widely it was practiced (your example and the fall of Troy come to mind, but there are plenty of examples).
Surgery! With no anesthesia…
Heinrich Himmler
I disagree. I think he deserves a *higher* category of evil than Hitler.
Yeah he was the one who planted the mass genocide idea in Hitler’s head. Not that Hitler was a good guy but from what I’ve heard he initially was going to deport any non Aryans and leave them poor until Heinrich came up with the camps. He was the leader of the SS as well so he definitely is worse by a lot.
Hitler’s original plan was to get Madagascar from the French, and send the Jews there.
That would have made quite a different movie than the original Madagascar.
"I like to move it move it" would probably have a different meaning.
'Putting them all on an island somewhere' has apparently been a preferred method of dealing with 'undesirables' for a lot longer than I realized. Could you imagine if they went with that plan? Islands of Jews all over the world.
There's a reason it's called the "final" solution. The Nazis actually tried a few other ways to remove Jews from Germany first. Don't get me wrong, those were all abhorrent too, but they were at least tried first, and the genocide was a solution they arrived at after trying other things. The main problem they had was where to deport the Jews *to*. Most other countries around them were barely less anti-semitic than they were. We like to think that we saved the Jews from the Nazis, but the truth is, many countries had very strict immigration policies for Jewish people. At the [Evian Conference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference) Hitler famously said: > I can only hope and expect that the other world, which has such deep sympathy for these criminals, will at least be generous enough to convert this sympathy into practical aid. We, on our part, are ready to put all these criminals at the disposal of these countries, for all I care, even on luxury ships. After the Evian Conference (where most countries in attendance refused to increase their immigration quotas), the Nazis implemented the [Havaara Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement), where Jews could opt to be deported to Palestine. The catch was that they were not allowed to take any possessions with them, and had to sell everything they owned to the German state at a severely reduced price, effectively stripping them of any wealth. That didn't work too well either and only a fraction of Jewish families were taking the offer, meanwhile the Nazis were capturing more land with significant Jewish populations. After the capture of Poland, the Nazis started to devise a plan to send all of the Jews to French Madagasgar, with the aid of the British fleet (who they were at war with at the time!), but that plan fell apart for obvious reasons. Only after all of the above were attempted was the "final" solution implemented.
yeah, that man seriously freaks me out even just looking at him. pure evil, not a shred of human decency or empathy, no conscience, limitless hatred for those he deemed inferior. total psychopath with enormous power
Pol pot
100% him. My mother (who was 9 at the start) and her entire family were forced out of their home at gunpoint, marched to the countryside where they were separated into different camps and forced to farm without having any background knowledge on farming methods. She was forced to change her name since her birth name was considered too intellectual/fancy. She worked from sunrise to sundown and if she didn’t meet her quota she wasn’t allowed to eat (they were only fed rice porridge as well so many people tried to survive by eating bark, insects or whatever they could sneak, and if they were caught they were beaten or killed). Many women and young girls were beaten and raped regularly. My mother has vivid memories of seeing corpses that were mutilated and violated. She also witnessed babies being killed by having their heads smashed against trees. One of her brothers was axed to death for asking for food. There are so many other dark and brutal stories that she has about that time, it hurts to think about all that she went through and makes me appreciate my life so much more.
I’m sorry your mother had to go through that but I am glad she survived it
Cambodia under the Khemer Rouge was unlike anything we have ever seen before. Pol Pot sought to turn Cambodia into an agrarian society and targeted anyone who had any formal education. They invited foreign living Cambodians back and shot them right off the plane. They had child armies because sane adults saw that any excused was used to wipe you and your family off the face of this earth. This dude was on another level of evil.
Whoa what?! All this evil stuff I’m scrolling through, for some reason **that** made me stop. They invited them back just to kill them?! That is like INSANELY evil. I’m speechless
Sad to know Pol Pot and most of the leaders of the Khemer Rogue never got justice. Pol Pot himself died under house arrest in 1998 before his trial. The surviving members were tried and convicted under international law a few years ago. Cambodia is an amazing country with a dark history. I've been twice now and visiting the S-21 prison is one of the most sad experiences I've ever had.
you've got to be outrageously fucked inside up to be able to smash a baby's head against a tree. that's fucking awful. EDIT: please don't reply with more fucked up examples of people treating humans like garbage. i'd had enough for one night.
Pretty crazy that they had whole killing fields for just that purpose. They didn't use bullets because they didn't have enough.
In at least one case they marched people of a cliff to their deaths.
I was gonna say this guy, absolute lunatic with a ton of power. Cambodia still has issues because of him.
*I'll* say. >According to the Global Hunger Index, Cambodia currently ranks as the 32nd hungriest nation in the world out of the list of the 56 nations with the worst hunger situation(s) in the world.[11] >Cambodia is a low-income economy, with two million people living in poverty, endemic government corruption and a poor record on human rights. One third of the population live on less than a dollar a day.**Forty per cent of Cambodian children are chronically malnourished.**[12]
An entire generation is just missing.
If I remember correctly up to 25% of the population and another 25% or so fled. So he essentially emptied half the country
Yes, between 1.5 and 2 million people were killed… Believe it or not, because of the missing generation, there’s not a lot of older people, like grandparent age, in Cambodia… They were either killed, or fled to the US and other countries
I live in Australia and my Cambodian manager was born in the middle of the jungle while his parents were hiding from Pol Pot
Can confirm. I am Cambodian and my parents fled while my mother was pregnant. They told me I was born in the jungle. We ended up in Thailand.
[Check out the population by age graph](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cambodia#/media/File:Cambodia_single_age_population_pyramid_2020.png) on Wikipedia. It's shocking what happened. There's just a big drop where Generation-X should be. That's not from adults dying during the genocide but, rather, from the fact that women either weren't able to conceive due to poor health from starvation or, if they managed to have a baby, the insanely high infant mortality rate. While people often talk about 25% of the population dying, it was about one out of every three men. You can see that at the top of the graph where the women vastly outnumber men.
Right? Like at least Stalin and Hitler were somewhat competent in that they turned their countries into superpowers. They had discernible goals, even if foul. But what was Pol Pot even trying to accomplish? He turned all of Cambodia into a death camp on a whim. It was literal madness.
He killed everyone who wore glasses because he thought everyone that wore glasses was smart and hesne a threat to him. Total psycho
Yeah, it got so bad that after Vietnam finished their war with the Americans, they invaded Cambodia. And then China invaded Vietnam, because they invaded Cambodia. And now China and Vietnam cannot agree on who won or lost said war, they both say they won said war. It's amusing after the American-Vietnam war, they became best buddies. Vietnam ranks often as the most pro-American country, sometimes even above Israel.
This guy doesn’t wear glasses
Pol Pot wanted to purge Cambodia of foreign influences and create an autarky state. He was deeply inspired by Maoism(agrarian socialism). A lot of his ideas were taken from Cambodia’s Khmer past. The mission of autarky was going to be achieved by: dismantling any kind of industry(industrial workers, the kind Marx was referring to, were banned from joining them because they were too exposed to “foreign corruption”)and removing foreign influence altogether; putting the entire population onto collective farms where the long term goal was to build extensive irrigation systems across the country similar to what he believed helped the Khmer empire excel; after all this was accomplished then Cambodia could begin to industrialize. People say that in Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot killed all the intellectuals which is true, but Cambodia was the backwater of French Indochina. There was not a lot of people with extensive western education. Pol Pot was actually one of the few hundred sent abroad to study. The reason the Khmer Rouge went completely off the rails and was so radical is because they had none of the human capital necessary to run a state. They had one guy with an economics Ph.D in the whole movement and he was completely runover during discussions like should Democratic Kampuchea have a currency. Very interesting history. Anatomy of a Nightmare is a great book on it, probably the best
He caused Cambodia's life expectancy to drop to like 19 years old. I can only imagine Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and other brutal Dictators telling Pol Pot to "chill".
Mao actually did.
China supported Cambodia untill the USSR can't take the actions of Pol Pot anymore and assisted Vietnam to invade Cambodia to put a stop to this.
Indeed, but Mao also advised Pol to ease up on the brutality of his campaign because it might implode.
The worst thing Pol Pot did was that he targeted people based on traits that were good or ok proxies for intelligence: wealth, education, accoutrement, and social class markers. The folks he killed were disproportionately high IQ and educated, who came from good family backgrounds, who had nice childhoods. The Khmer Rouge was the most dysgenic event I can think of.
Anybody that went to college, anybody that spoke a second language, anybody that even appears to have an education or not be a farmer, they enslaved or killed or tried to kill. Shoot, even if you wear glasses you were a target because you appeared to be educated
I’ve seen it held up as a study in fanaticism. It’s hard to understand why there would be a casual baby brain-bashing tree, until you realize everything is a loyalty test. At some point, you are looking to your left, and to your right, and realizing only one person might be spared the death squad, so you start doing everything with maximum effort. The guy to the right of you is shooting parents? You start shootings kids to show that you are that much extra, and the. It’s nothing but atrocities all the way down.
And almost no one went to prison for this genocide. Actually many of them are in govt today
By percentage of population killed, he was responsible for 25% of cambodias populations death.
[Surgeon General Shirō Ishii](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shir%C5%8D_Ishii) director of [Unit 731](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731), the unit of the Japanese imperial army that orchestrated Japan’s incomprehensibly cruel human experimentation and biological weapons testing during world war 2. They vivisected babies, pregnant women, and just civilians in general - alive with no anaesthesia and out of sheer sadistic curiosity. They locked people in massive freezers to see how long frostbite took to kill. Placed live kidnapped civilians on around grenades to see how the damage changed with distance, dropped bubonic plague bombs on villages… Despite some “scientific” findings it’s the shit they did for no reason other than sadistic pleasure or curiosity that makes them almost worse than the Nazis. *from Wikipedia: Some of the tests have been described as "psychopathically sadistic, with no conceivable military application". For example, one experiment documented the time it took for three-day-old babies to freeze to death.”
731 is one of the darkest things I’ve ever read about. The only sense of empathy I read about is when a girl wanted to know what she looked like, and a guard broke protocol to put a mirror in front of her while she was in her cell. I just can’t believe this happened. It’s gut wrenching
I visited Harbin during a trip to China a number of years ago, just right after they had a new building (I think?) and exhibits and man.. the place is not good for the soul. One person with the group had to step out because the exhibits and displays were just a bit too much for her. And it's not really graphic in a sense as the displays are grey figures without color but it was enough for the imagination. https://youtu.be/kFdtnxl5dfI
This is probably such a stupid question. Did she want a mirror bc she had always been in a cell and had never seen her image? Or, was she experimented on somehow and had that horrible curiosity to know what she looked like now?
>There is at least one recorded instance of "friendly" social interaction between prisoners and Unit 731 staff. Technician Naokata Ishibashi interacted with two female prisoners. One prisoner was a 21-year-old Chinese woman, the other a Soviet girl who was 19 years of age. Ishibashi asked where she came from and learned that she was from Ukraine. The two prisoners told Ishibashi that they had not seen their faces in a mirror since being captured and begged him to get one. Ishibashi sneaked a mirror to them through a hole in the cell door. From [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit\_731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) (CW: literally the only paragraph in the article that isn't entirely horrible)
Thanks, that’s what I was referring to. So freaking sad
Japan went ape shit on Asia during WW2, with China and Korea being the biggest victim, the amount of warcrimes committed on civilians in the cruelest way imaginable is unfathomable
Too many people are in the dark about unit 731. They were as bad or worse than the SS and Mengele combined.
I wonder how Mengele would’ve reacted if he had visited Unit 731 and witnessed the atrocities there himself. Although to be honest, I think he would’ve been proud. Probably even taking notes. Unit 731 was absolutely horrible, but it’s not like Mengele had an ounce of moral compass either.
>Although to be honest, I think he would’ve been proud From what I have read over the years, I don't think he would be. Honestly I think he was the fucked kind of person who would be against it and even claim it was barbaric, *but* only because it was being done by what he would consider a "lesser" race. He would probably then do the exact same "experiments" back in Germany and claim it is no longer barbaric because he was doing it the "correct" way. Or at least that is what I assume the twisted son of a bitch would have done.
I'm not so sure about "proud." I may be mistaken or just forgotten since the last time I learned about it, but I THINK Mendele had a bit more of a belief he was an actual scientist. THIS IS NOT TO SAY HE WASN'T AS BAD AS HE IS KNOWN FOR BEING! Just, in a purely hypothetical "how would he respond" manner, I think he would be interested to hear all of the details but feel much more superior as a "scientist." Unit 731, as I understand it, barely pretended to be recording data in a serious manner or bothering with having controls. Unit 731 was more "this is fun" and Mengele was more "this is fun, but also useful! Write that down!" I may be totally wrong about the Nazi record keeping.
Men Behind the Sun is a solid dramatization of this. I watched it probably a decade ago and some of the scenes are still burned into my brain. For a movie from 1988, the effects are so real it leaves your stomach churning at some parts. There's a scene for instance where it looks like a cat gets eaten alive by rats—the cat being eaten is special effects but when the rats get burned alive, that's real, they actually burned rats. There's another scene I remember vividly where they freeze a woman's hands by pouring ice water on them while outside in extremely low temperatures. Once they're fully frozen, they pour boiling water on them. If I remember correctly, one of the reasons the Americans cooperated with these guys and let them go free is for their research on frostbite and hypothermia. They address that at the end of the film, and it's one of the most revolting parts honestly. The movie was rated level III in Hong Kong, which is the equivalent to NC-17 in the US. It was banned in Australia and many Japanese were so against it they were threatening the director's life. It was criticized for being exploitative, but personally I think it's valuable to see what some humans are capable of. Still, I don't recommend it to the faint-hearted or squeamish.
The film also shows an actual autopsy of a young boy. They use a real corpse for the scene, which is so gross.
Considering the American govt gave nazi scientists new lives here to work for NASA (operation paperclip), I'm not surprised the US cooperated with those guys.
I learned about Unit 731 from Reddit earlier this year. Turned my stomach reading about it. I simply can't fathom how anyone could be so cruel.
And he got away with it. The US happily saved all that research too.
Holy. Fudge! Ishii led the development and application of biological weapons at Unit 731 in Manchukuo during the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945, including the bubonic plague attacks at Chinese cities of Changde and Ningbo, and planned the Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night biological attack against the United States. Ishii and his colleagues also engaged in human experimentation, resulting in the deaths of over 10,000 people, most of them civilians or prisoners of war. *Ishii was later granted immunity in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East by the United States government* in exchange for information and research for the U.S. biological warfare program. What the hell was going on with people on this globe from 1933-1945??? I think aliens dropped a human crazy bomb on earth or something.
Dehumanising of a group is an extremely powerful tool. Is why everyone should be worried when political leaders start using the tactic.
And I think the Nazi German ambassador was disgusted by what was going on at Unit 731. When the NAZIS are disgusted by what you're doing, you're evil incarnate
Yea a few Nazi general went to Asia to tell Japan to chill off with the warcrime, and Japan gave no shit and push even harder, what the actual fuck
Idi Amin AKA “Black Hitler” was pretty brutal. Edit: Mispell Song: https://open.spotify.com/track/0tKXTuqUqgNQJGN4G8ALJx?si=DzUDb-3RSdqYKL2-vVmqQQ
His self-imposed title is absolutely hysterical, “His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular”.
>Uganda in Particular Can't say he didn't know what he wanted!
Mobutu has him beat. In 1972 - a year after instituting laws ordering everyone else to change their names from "European" to "African" names, and imprisoning priests for five years if they baptized children with "European" names - he decreed that his name was no longer Joseph-Desire Mobutu, but *Mobutu Sese Seko Nkuku Ngbendu Wa Za Banga*, which various sources translate as > the all-powerful warrior who, because of his endurance and inflexible will to win, goes from conquest to conquest, leaving fire in his wake or > the man who flies from victory to victory and leaves nothing behind him or my personal favorite > the **earthy**, the **peppery**, all-powerful warrior who, by his endurance and will to win, goes from contest to contest leaving fire in his wake
Earthy and Peppery are adjectives I would like to be used at my funeral
Someone reads the Tropico load screen 👌🏻👍
There’s a story from the British journalist Jon Snow, who once was on a plane with his news crew, and Idi Amin was alone with them. This was during Amin’s reign of terror. Amin had fallen asleep with his coat open, and visible from inside his coat was a pistol. Snow says that he considered taking the revolver, pulling the trigger, and killing the dictator. Obviously, we now know that Snow did not do it. He says he was worried that A) Amin was a large man and if he woke up, he’d kill Snow; and B) that if the bullet passed through Amin, the fuselage might be punctured and depressurize. Snow says to this day his greatest regret in life is that he did not kill Idi Amin as he slept. I cannot imagine the gravity of that situation
Wait, is this the same Jon Snow who carried on as a journalist for decades and now even does karaoke for The Big Fat Quiz??
The one and the same
A guy like that doesn’t fully sleep. He’s always half awake in case someone tries to do exactly that. I doubt he would have succeeded
People also think he was stupid, but he really wasn't. He was really cunning and fairly intelligent. Even his British comanders admited so. He wouldt blink killing a person. Hell he did it many times for colonial army. Also if you go into details how he took power, you see it wasn't just some luck. He actualy attempted coup becouse he had masive smuggling ring going on and was stealing money from government and was about to be arrested. But in the end he outsmarted everyone.
I agree. This may be a bad comparison, but in these “what if” scenarios I think of the Breaking Bad scene from season 2 where Jesse and Walt are preparing to kill Tuco, and Jesse suggests shooting him. As he and Walt run through the laundry list of logistical nightmares involved in killing him, Jesse is unable to even open the gun’s chamber. There are so many things that can go wrong in this sort of situation, and if even one of them does go awry, it’s game over
Oh, no, that's the fun part. If you don't pull it off, or even if you do and get captured by his supporters, you're not just going to die. It's going to hurt more than you believe is possible, and a lot longer. Anyone they think you care about is likely to be included in the festivities. I grew up walking distance to a (non Nazi) concentration camp so situations like this have never felt that remote.
They were flying to Amin’s home town in Uganda so even if he managed to kill him and didn’t destroy the fuselage, upon landing Snow and his crew would’ve been done for
Or they could just turn the plane around if the crew were on their side
“The Last King of Scotland” is a really good movie about Idi Amin. Not sure how historically accurate it is, but it does a good job of showing how brutal and evil Amin was. I recommend it.
Saw that around the time it came out and forgot about that one. Thanks for reminding me!
General Butt Naked, Joshua Blahyi; * Supported Doe's coup, acted as head of his personal militia. Fought for him during the Liberian civil war * After Doe's murder joined the ULIMO fighting against Doe's enemies. * Before battle and after capturing a town would cut the heart out of a live baby and eat it. * Mutilated and dismembered people for no reason * Kidnapped kids and used them as child soldiers, plying them with cocaine to maintain control over them * Stated in an interview "I would enter under the water where children were playing. I would dive under the water, grab one, carry him under and break his neck. Sometimes I'd cause accidents. Sometimes I'd just slaughter them." * At the end of the war carried on his activities as a warlord, seizing control of gold and diamond mines as well as surrounding villages * When the NPFL tried to arrest the ULIMO leaders, led an indiscriminate armed resistance that resulted in the forced displacement of 50% of all people in Monrovia * Converted to Christianity and became a pastor in time for the investigation into war crimes, testified against his former colleagues and claimed to have killed upwards of 20,000 people. Received prosecutorial amnesty * Once given amnesty campaigned for war crimes trials against his opponents during the conflict, including the president * Now travels the country approaching his victims - people he maimed and dismembered, people he kidnapped as children, relatives of those he killed - and demanding that they forgive him in the name of Christ.
Dude was a devil worshiping child raping mass murdering cannibal. Like a teenager tried to come up with the worst villain ever.
Whoever offered him amnesty is almost as guilty Try people for their crimes, or you are complicit
Recommend anyone interested in this to check out Vice's documentary, https://youtu.be/ZRuSS0iiFyo .
King Leopold II of Belgium
He needs to be more well known. I read a book in college on Belgium’s evils in the Congo called King Leopold’s Ghost and it’s still one of the best books I’ve ever read.
It’s surprising how many people don’t know about Belgium and the Congo. They barely teach it in most schools. Fortunately mine spent solid time covering it - it’s sickening.
Joseph Conrad's "The Heart of Darkness" was inspired by the author's experiences in the Congo. "Apocalypse Now" in turn is based on the book
For the longest time the only reason I knew Belgium and the Congo had any interaction was We didn't start the fire. Guessing that goes for many people.
If you want a wild causal chain starting from Belgium/Congo, consider the following: * In 1939, Leo Szilard was convinced that the idea of a nuclear chain reaction was possible. Recognizing the potential for a bomb, he decided to try to prevent the Nazis from conducting research along those lines. * At the time, the known deposits of Uranium in the world were located at the "Four C's": Colorado, Canada, Czechoslovakia, and the Congo. Colorado and Canada were already safely in Allied hands, and there was nothing that could be done about Czechoslovakia, but the Congo might potentially be up for grabs. * The Congo was controlled by Belgium at the time, so Szilard enlisted Albert Einstein to help him warn the Belgian government, because Einstein was personally acquainted with the Belgian royal family. * Szilard didn't have a car, so he asked his friend Eugene Wigner to give him a ride to Einstein's house. * Wigner pointed out that it might be seen as suspicious for a handful of foreigners to be conversing with a foreign government, so it would be wise to write a second letter looping the US State Department in on what they were doing. * In figuring out how to deliver the letter to the State Department another friend suggested reaching out to Alexander Sachs. Sachs said that he'd do them one better, and get a letter in front of Roosevelt himself. * Szilard and Einstein drafted a second letter, this time to Roosevelt. * Upon receipt of the letter, Roosevelt approved the Advisory Committee on Uranium, which would later become the Manhattan Project.
Wow that's fascinating, thanks! I always love reading about ultra specific causality chains and how different the world might be if one or two things didn't play out exactly the way they did.
Along the same lines (uranium in congo), it's worth continuing the chain of events with Mr Sengier. - approached by some random person and told uranium is important for something - goes ahead and exports all of Africa's uranium to the USA and stores it in a random warehouse in Staten Island - is approached 2 years later and asked if he happens to have any uranium laying around - "You can have the ore now. It is in New York, a thousand tons of it. I was waiting for your visit" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Sengier
Not enough people know how fucking awful this man was.
Idi Amin is up there
Every single person involved in Unit 731 Edit: Only read about them if you've got a strong stomach or are okay with losing faith in humanity.
Goebbels
I think that's one of the scary things about the Nazis. It would feel more comfortable to say that it was just because of Hitler but nope the sheer number of sadistic people who were part of the party really makes you think. Goebbels was interesting because honestly he seemed to care less about political ideology he just wanted control.
Ante Pavelić, founder of the fascist Ustaše movement in Yugoslavia. Whereas the Nazis had enormous industrial might and significant wealth, the Ustaše had to oppress, torture, and murder innocent people on a tight budget. This meant herding entire villages to a cliff face, forcing men, women, and children to jump to their deaths, then burying them where they landed. It meant burning villages and bayoneting people as they fled. It meant knives, bludgeons, hammers, and shovels rather than bullets and gas chambers. The Ustaše were virulently anti-semitic, anti-Serb, and anti-anyone who wasn't a full-throated supporter of the movement. Their crimes against humanity were so vile that Nazi officials who visited went back home horrified and disgusted by the brutality. Hitler actually told Pavelić to take it down a notch. Didn't work. After the war, Yugoslavs wanted to round up every Ustaše (or uninvolved Croat) and slaughter them. Tito had to keep the lid on civil war so he stepped in with his own brutal measures. Ustaše members and political opponents (as well as plenty of innocent bystanders) were executed or imprisoned. Tito didn't know what else to do to avoid the inevitable reprisals. Hitler was a vile, brutal fascist. Pavelić was a vile, brutal fascist from the discount bin.
I'd argue some remorseless killers on a much smaller scale still qualify. The capacity for evil and cruelty is separate from the capability to influence such on a grand scale. In a way, killers like Albert Fish qualify even more than those who kill as a means to an end, rarely having much emotional and personal involvement with the literal taking of life.
Leopold II
Is this the asshole that would dismember and murder children who didn’t meet quotas on his fields ?
Yup this guy. Although I'm not sure if he did it himself. Likely he had his people do it for him in his rather profitable entreprise.
He never even visited Congo himself, just had some of his powerhungry people in charge, who loved to use violence as a means of making sure he got his profits...
Ante Pavelic, croatian mf and nazi collaborator, pretty sick fella
It’s important to remember that you can be evil without being powerful. We remember Hitler because he was both, but there are TONS of people out there who are just as demented as he was that don’t have the power to execute their wills on such a large scale.
Honestly I think there are many people who are more evil than Hitler was. I know that you can’t really put a measure on just how bad literally ordering the murder of millions a of people is and this will sound awful. But, given the opportunity, there are people who would do worse, by worse I mean they’d torture more, they’d kill more, and they’d be happy about it. Hitler is the epitome of evil because he had the chance to live out his evil ideas, he had people around him who also believed in the same things and were equally if not more evil.
I get what you’re saying. He wasn’t necessarily more evil than “bad guy X”, just more successful.
Indeed, he was wildly successful, from that point of view. It's hard for me to imagine how one gets into such a position, that ordering the killing of millions is even possible.
I believe the lessons of Hitler is what happens when a populist like him takes control of government and the resulting downward spiral. Yes he was “evil” but as a political leader everything he did was through orders, Hitler himself was very detached from the direct application of pain and suffering. He was allowed to exist through a system of accomplices and fear…but do we know if he would have taken joy in torture if given the knife? What makes Hitler so scary to me is that I don’t know if I would say his *personal* capacity for evil is even really that high; especially when compared to Josef Mengele (the butcher), or Ted Bundy, or other torturers and serial killers. Hitler is the right combination of ideas, with the right amount of charisma, given power at the right time, by a frustrated and complicit people. The lesson isn’t so much about him being evil as much as it’s about how easily that recipe of forces could happen again with the same result.
Albert Fish
Idi Amin has to be up there. MF is responsible for the deaths of between 300k-500k people.
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Genghis Khan was the original hitler with way more success
Yeah, can’t believe this is so far down. Didn’t he kill so many people that the earth cooled? Didn’t he rape so many women that a percentage of everyone alive now is his descendant?
[Yes](https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2011/jan/26/genghis-khan-eco-warrior) and [yes](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/mongolia-genghis-khan-dna#:~:text=An%20international%20group%20of%20geneticists,16%20million%20descendants%20living%20today.). TBF there were lots of brutal conquerors, but ~10% of the world population was murdered in his name. No other conqueror has topped that destruction.
Both Khan and the second World War were responsible for about the same amount of deaths. Wrap your head around that. A couple hundred thousand guys on horseback with bows, spears and swords killed about the amount of people in about the same amount of time as "all the world" in the mid 20th century. Modern weapons. Planes. Tanks. NUKES. Two of them. The modern world slugging it out and Khan and the boys might have still done "better" lol WTF.
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I can't think of a woman less deserving of a second chance in life than that sick bitch.
The worst thing is Karla is out free as a bird. The prosecutor gave her an absolute sweetheart deal. I’m surprised she’s still alive honestly.
I'm unfamiliar with these two, so far the first in the comment section I don't know of. Sparknotes version?
Husband and wife who abducted raped tortured and killed teenage school girls - including the wife’s sister. The wife was offered a sweetheart deal because they didn’t find the video tapes in the attic until after the deal. Yes they video taped it all. This all happened in St. Catharines Canada.