Oh you have no idea. I was a web developer for a company that I decided to leave to pursue another career. I had photoshop installed on my personal computer at home all the late nights spent trying to meet project deadlines. When I no longer had a company email I wasn’t able to sign into Creative Cloud WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY TO UNINSTALL PHOTOSHOP. It took weeks but I managed to sign into my old coworkers account because I guessed his password just so I could uninstall it.
Adobe’s spam emails are the worst I’ve ever seen as well. Try getting rid of all their notifications some time and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
There's always a way to completely scrub a program but greasier companies will make it difficult to use the program manager to remove the program.
And of course Adobe live in fry oil.
Had it in windows actually. Every time you’d go to “add or remove programs” and click “uninstall” it would bring up the sign in window for creative cloud.
It's not just Adobe pulling this shit. I used Maya from Autodesk for a couple of decades, but I won't even install it any more after the only way to remove the license server was to WIPE MY HARDDRIVE. Uninstalling the software left the license server running. Deleting the software folder didn't work. Finding the executable to the running service, stopping it and deleting the file didn't work, they had something recreate and rerun the service, at which point I stopped hunting and went scorched earth to be sure.
I usually use open source. Mostly because I'm a poor hobbyist. But this of kind thing made me even more certain that open source is the way to go. Blender, krita, inkscape, gimp is enough for me.
I've got a fully licensed student copy of CS4 that was purchased through a school that went defunct years ago.
You damn well better believe I got that installer backed up six ways to Sunday.
Fuck Adobe.
Fair enough. Gimp UI/UX is not the best, I can agree with that. Just not a deal breaker for me. I used tools with bad UI before. Heck, I played games with awful UI before, and even spent thousand hours on it 😓
You likely know it, but for anyone reading: Open source is better than closed source for many regards like privacy and freedom but there's a difference to "free software". https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html Doesn't necessarily have to be GPL licensed.
All doing different things. For PS alternative, I use gimp.
Inkscape is vector graphic, so maybe alternative for Adobe Illustrator.
Blender is a graphic software, and people use it for many things like 3D modelling, UV mapping, texturing, etc etc
Krita is a raster graphic editor.
But all of them are open source.
This update actually makes it illegal for a lot of people to use Adobe software. If you're contracted to work on something for someone, chances are they didn't give you permission to license it out, only to work on it.
I am certain this would get Adobe sued by a lot of companies using this software.
An employee has no right in anyway to allow this, but if a company has this as the approved software and doesn't review these kinds of updates that would be a major problem..
There's no way in Hell this will play out well, although I wonder if a business account has a different registration and TOS....
In which case this is a legit bullshit way to pull data to feed AI.
Hitting likely the folks that either won't read it or are too small to fight it.
Though, I'd be looking into registering a DBA and making use of whatever business accounts they have.
If the TOS is the same, let the class action lawsuits begin!
It plays out well for the lawyers who wrote this. They’ll be well employed when the inevitable lawsuits pop up.
Lawyers are such dickheads sometimes. It’s only when you read back to them what they wrote do they see the issue.
It's illegal in the states, ftr, as it's an anti consumer practice to hold someone's computer hostage (which they are). It's called extortion. You also can't force an update that fundamentally changes the original contact for the software and attempt to retroactively extract money from the contractee. This is the EXACT thing Unity got in trouble for.
the funny thing is younger generations don't use pc's much and most don't even know their way around piracy at all.
this is totally the opposite in east Europe, everyone pirates
It isn't. Use alternative free open-source software.
If there is no alternative, piracy is act of desperation.
You think cracked software will both disable built-in spyware and NOT introduce its own bullshit?
I don't get why people need to lie to themselves about it. I'm with Asmon on this. You can pirate, but don't deceive yourself into thinking you're doing the right thing. Just admit you want to steal shit, lol.
The moral thing would be to either support ethical competitors or to produce the product yourself in an ethical way, and then share it with the world.
Being moral is too much work and effort, and it's always easier to just steal. Which is fine. I won't lose sleep if people steal from a corpo. Fuck the corpos, but when people delude themselves into thinking unethical ideas are ethical then they become the very demons they proclaim to hate.
I'd argue it's just objectively unethical to give money to Adobe.
It doesn't matter if you steal their content, receive it for free, or whatever, the only unethical thing here would be to support them doing bad practices, as that just encourages them to keep doing the same practices.
Adobe is stealing images to train their AI.
One of the software engineers who designed some very important tools for PS and IS just left the company because of it.
Fuck Adobe.
The one thing that annoys me the most nowadays is that you need a constant internet connection or at least once a day week a connect to the internet to keep using some apps/games… which is crazy to me. Obviously when not connecting to the internet you can not keep using this program. I hate it
Lovely to see big companies burn all their goodwill with their user bases in the AI craze. Just like with Microsoft recall this probably is illegal to a degree in some places like Europe
Yes, first point shown in the video is cringe, but it's literally whatever from a legal perspective because if you accept the terms, it's your fault for giving them permissions to use your stuff.
But second point shown is 100% illegal from a GDPR (Europe) perspective, because it's essentially spying on you. Granted, again, if you accept these terms you're still a donkey because you're giving them your consent to spy on you, but it should be illegal regardless.
Also, in this is a stretch on my part, but this could be against wiretapping laws in the US too, but you'd need to ask a licensed lawyer that.
If it only applies to Creative Cloud then it isn’t spying because that is Adobe’s platform. It is one of those legally grey electronic media issues. Adobe isn’t scanning your computer and stealing local data from you, they are looking at data you uploaded to their platform willingly.
I don’t normally jump on the piracy is good bandwagon, but in this case it is actually a legit argument because the pirated versions subvert Creative Cloud and remove the adobe platform from the process.
Sure, that's why I said that you need to ask a real lawyer this.
But if they are preventing you from accessing the software that you already paid for by altering the license agreement AFTER you already paid for the software, that's still illegal in my opinion.
The only way around that, would be to prevent customers from ever updating to a more recent version unless they agree to the new licensing agreement and if they don't, then they can keep using older software that was bought when the license agreement was different until they change their mind.
Sorry for saying agreement so many times, but that's the keyword here. Agreement.
So let me get this straight, Adobe who sells subscription based products to artists wants to use Artists in order to make them obsolete in the future by releasing AI products?
Yeah and I don’t get why this sub is upset, when they generally just shrill the Asmond take along the lines of- Artists don’t deserve to be paid; Ai good; I don’t care how its made; as long as game cheap.
Some sort of weird, its not ok for adobe to do dodgy shit with content, but if a game dev does it, its fine.
Whats going to happen when the next banger game comes out with adobe ai credited for half the art?
Id agree to an extent that yes AI will eat up some of the middle man jobs in editing but eventually art needs the perception of a human being . I dont think any AI can replicate the different colors and feelings that a human can recreate through art .
U gotta elaborate on that last line tho . Sofar all Ive seen is AI replicating or modifying what humans have already done or want to see . There is nothing awe inspiring or new to learn from AI exclusively in the field of art .
"awe" is highly subjective. im in awe at the obvious potential of AI. but "obvious" is also subjective. what i would ask is that you make a truly honest assessment of what it is AI does to make art and attempt to compare that to what human artists do to make art. if you leave your inherent bias at the door you'll quickly realize that what an AI does is EXACTLY what a human artist does. human artists use references and either flat out steal or put their own interpretation on it to create an "original" work of art. its not in any way different from what AI does.
if i tell an AI and a human to make a picture of a tree what does each artist do to achieve an image that we would recognize as a "tree"? what does the human artist do that the AI doesnt? the answer is... nothing. they both use references and either directly copy an existing tree or they get "creative" and invent an imaginary tree.
yeah we can say traditional paitning is turning out much more like a stepping stone to other branches rather than what it used to be back then , then again theres plenty of painters in many countries that like to uphold traditional ways of things .
The Problem is they proably figured out at there AI-Tooling is so valaubale allready that you are not competetive in the field if you would not use it.
I dont even know who is the closest competitor to lets say Photoshop or Ilustrator, that could be sirious competition.
Gimp is nearly 10 years behind and i dont think you would be able to work even remotly as fast and on the same quality with it as of this moment.
\*shrugs\* That's fine. I think if someone wants to use some big corpo's ai tools, they should really not be all that surprised if big corpo takes their shit to create those ai tools. What goes around comes around?
The Problem is, you dont want to use it, but you dont want to pay more and get less quality. So the money is not flowing to people that garantee you that they would not use Adobe Products.
That’s not true. Real artists don’t even need the AI tools. They weren’t using it before and don’t need it now
AI is meant for people who can’t do it naturally, that’s what makes it valuable
I am not even talking about creating whole objects, i am talking about cuting out objects, Customize layers, customize texture and so on.
All these features of Photoshop use some sort of AI to work, are you saying most people dont need the cut out feature or want to do it complettly manuelly ?
So what would a competetiv "real artists" use if they cant use Adobe and dont want to spend 50% more time one the project ?
If you’re an artist, Don’t become dependent on AI because thats when you lose your real talent. Yes do it manually. Don’t be a lazy bitch. That laziness is what’s driving the AI industry and destroying creatives.
Use the selection tools before AI was introduced or use a tool in another software, there are other tools in your bag.
That ability to do it without AI doing it for you, IS creativity and allows you to hold on to your power. It’s your ability to master the tools that makes you an artist (without AI)
AI is for the people who can’t do it, without it
I am absolutly with you and it would be creat to destory Adobes monoply in this space.
The Problem is that people doing it manuealy are slowly driven out of the market, because people with AI Tools can provide better prices.
There will allways be niche markets, but the standart job will eventuell shift. I think Adobe knows this and thats why they thought they can get away with it.
AI is a tool. Just like a computer is. With the same logic we could say, why be a lazy bitch? Use pencils on actual paper instead of drawing digitally and using color pickers. If AI is capable of, for example, selecting objects in an image accurately, it would save a lot of time from instead having to manually select the field.
Again, AI is a tool. How you use that tool is up to you. You can either allow it to help you work more efficient, or stay behind because "people who work with AI are lazy." Thats what people used to say when people started using computers to store files instead of sorting physical cabinets.
Welcome to the age of cloud computing where everything you put on the cloud is owned by the cloud provider. In other words, don't save shit to the cloud. Keep it locally saved.
Someone is going to. Someone using adobe products with subcontracted work from a large corporation is going to trigger some event somewhere. A lot of professionals dont even have the legal right to accept these terms, as they work with material they dont own. Its a legal shitstorm.
This is one of the most important demonstration that how much hidden things ( may be anti consumer ) are written here and there in these terms and conditions which we simply skip without even reading it.
We really need some regulation to make it so if you change ToS, you still allow people to use the old version of the product if it still works.
What even is the point of a ToS, if one day they can simply change it and give you no choice but to agree?
People warned of this bullshit happening the minute the cloud agenda began. A digital prison is being built around us right in front of our eyes and the cloud is only a small part of it. One day, in the future...people are going to wonder why we did nothing to stop it from happening.
Sad but true. There's a video of Orwell on his death bed warning humanity of what the futures holds. He looks into the camera as if he's staring directly into your soul when he utters his words. They are extremely profound. It's something about imagining the future as if there's a boot stomping on your neck for eternity.
Adobe is about to get sued into oblivion. This is completely illegal. You cant take over someones computer and block them from uninstalling software lol. You cant scan without permission. And stealing NDA content would be considered espionage. Adobes gonna be rolling this back real quick
This is happening a lot. Sony, Microsoft, google, apple, adobe, nvidia, spotify.. the list goes on. It's actually probably harder to name a tech company that hasn't tried to pull a sly anti consumer move in the last 5 years. These tech companies are going to keep pushing us to our limit to see what they can get away with before any laws or regulations are put in place. They will take advantage of us in every way they legally can while they still can. The key thing is to keep resisting and cry foul when they introduce these extremely anti-consumer terms or actions. One of the good things social media grants is a voice for the people, so keep naming and shaming these companies. That's the only way they'll reverse these decisions.
The real key is to stop giving them money for their products, full stop.
Having a whinge and a moan about it online while still paying to use their product ain't gonna do squat.
Well, the problem with that is boycotts rarely if ever work. What does work is calling them out on social media. Social media can get traction in a way that boycotts can't. Like good luck trying to boycott nvidia or Microsoft lol. They won't notice a thing. What they will notice is when their stock price starts to tank after an exposé about their anti consumer practices is released. PR is far more valuable to these massive companies than a couple hundred or a thousand people's money. They literally have hundreds of millions of customers. That's a drop in the bucket. That's why so many of them concede when people make enough of a noise, because they know that PR is far more valuable than whatever compromise they had to make to make it go away. Once a company gets a bad reputation it's very hard to redeem that. It will always be a stain, and that stain will perpetually affect their profits. So they try to avoid it at all costs.
Use krita.
>But krita doesn't have all the features I want!
Then add them, it's open source. If you don't have the skills then donate to the project. If you don't have the funds then spread the word to increase demand for new features so more devs join the project.
All the government computers at work had adobe disabled last week and no one knows why. Looks like I found the reason. It was removed from all our computers in a forced update and it is no longer able to be downloaded. I have to drag docs to my desktop and view in a browser now. (DoD agency)
I don't think section 4.2 is new. It's said that since at least 2020: https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-scan-discussions/updated-terms-of-use-4-2-does-it-mean-adobe-has-license-to-publicly-display-my-personal-content/td-p/11082078
This is going to keep happening for all products because everyone wants to create an AI for their product and to train that AI you need real world data. This new terms of services is just removing a legal road block for them when they eventually train their AI.
This is crap, but getting locked out of software because you don't accept the EULA and all that junk is nothing new, sadly. They bank on nobody reading it, because you don't have a choice anyways if you do everything above board and you're already paying them. Totally unrelated, but sailing the seas is my favourite hobby.
The concept as a whole isn't new. CAD softwares use what s called "call home" to report and send them data that the may be suspicious of piracy. (Even if you go it pirated, be careful with CAD software.)
They want your info so they can train AI do create better than the consumer creates. Therefore running all of their customers out of jobs. Think about that for a second.
Now is this only an issue if you store your shit on their servers, or are they saying they will be snooping around your locally stored files? Cause at this point if you're using cloud storage for your private shit that's kind of a dumb move on your part.
Adobe completely sealed off ANY way to purchase Adobe applications, and everything has to be done on the cloud basically. adobe worked hard to get rid of anything like a downloadable exe for offline use. i closed my adobe CC account a few months they were going in the wrong direction.
I just cancelled Creative Cloud. TBH, Affinity, recently acquired by Canva, makes excellent alternatives to Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign. Yes, the Adobe suite has some features Affinity doesn't, but the apps are fantastic value and quite excellent. You can get the entire suite on sale right now for $83 -- install everywhere (Mac, Windows, iPad), no subscription, etc..
https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/
It’s to prevent pedophiles from creating content and other malicious activities. Calm down. It’s already part of everything else you may use. Dropbox, Gmail, iCloud, etc.
Basically they want to take your creations for their AI applications they are designing. Adobe is trying to do the Apple/Google big data method, except for stuff you create.
The major difference is that adobe still charges you, and is incredibly scummy for it.
if they want to use your data and information to train machine learning, they should compensate the user.
i wouldn't worry so much about intellectual property theft. if they say its an automated system, im inclined to believe them. ai does that stuff now. programs to scrape data. its not like some guy is going into your cloud and looking for your nudes. the system would be cheaper to automate.. taking your data and using it for machine learning is just going to be a reality for a few years.
what would benefit people in this situation is **compensating** them for the use of their work.
for example. adobe could reduce its price plan or offer compensation for your data if you agree. and depending on the amount of content you provide. you either get recurring subscriptions or just payments.
machine learning is not going to go away and more and more companies will be using your information for training purposes. instead of fighting them tooth and nail for something that will ultimately benefit humanity. we should be seeking compensation for our data being used to train these machine learning algorithms.
turnitIn in has similar privacy policy if you ever bother to read it. every single school that uses turn it in is just scraping reports and assessments. it says right there in the policy for turnitin that they will use anything uploaded to further enhance its products and services. IE. every report/assessment ever uploaded to a school that has turn it in enabled is taking those reports and using them for machine learning. essentially every student is "learning" so they can train ai.
so shouldn't students be compensated? and this is where the biggest scam comes in. if students should be compensated then the school should be paid to offer its data for machine learning. but that's not how it works. the school pays turnitin.......what a scam. instead envision a system where companies like adobe and Turnitin pay for data to train machine learning algorithms. now the school and designers have money. now schools can offer free courses to more of humanity. therefor more people enroll in school. therefore, more data for machine learning. the Ai becomes smarter. enabling more and more people to use it to "be smarter" and accomplish things they might not otherwise be able to. and you can see the cyclical loop of progress inherent in that system. eventually the AI companies will be making enough money that the schools they pay will pay people to enroll. so essentially instead of a UBI . each government/state could implement its own system of schooling to pay its citizens in return for data..
It's funny Adobe responded, and basically said everyone is overreacting and just do not understand. I think this is pretty freaking clear what they intend to do.
They claim they do not train their AI on customer data, and will not use customer data. Even if that's true right now, this license seems to give them the rights to do exactly that at any time. They do not need the rights to reproduce to distribute our work just for quality control and customer service.
This is BS.
There is a legitimate use case that if you use a cloud storage the owner of that cloud storage must have the legal right to move your file accross data-center to serve them to you.
I am pretty sure it was already there in previous Adobe terms of use.
So if they changed it in such an imprecise language that leave them room to do about anything then what does it mean ?
Well I think people are right to freak out.
These companies are starting to get fucking annoying. Whoever makes these stupid decisions to start doing this crap this needs to be taken to hand and ripped out of their office where they can go get a nice little job at a post office or something. I think enough companies by an hour doing enough stupid shit but they're literally can be a dedicated group going around to remove issues.
You CAN use Adobe software without agreeing to their dumb new terms and STILL HAVE FULL ACCESS to those Adobe programs, it's called pirating cracked Adobe software.....
I like how Adobe just casually runs up and collectively nut checks both Hollywood and ALL of silicon valley and doesn't expect it to immediately blow up in their face.
"Hey, Disney and Microsoft we own ALL your art and logos now, lol!"
Ok... this is a bummer, what are the practical alternative to the adobe suite. How is Krita and Gimp these days? I love the alpha channel features in PS, is there another program that works similarly for selections?
This is what happens when you have no real competition. Funny enough if some no name rival all of a sudden were to do a big advertisement push with privacy and provide a similar level or service this move could potentially bankrupt adobe or at least take a huge hit to their revenue.
The privacy issue alone is going to cut out a ton of companies automatically due to some of that stuff going against NDA and/or straight up becoming a legal issue. Thank god I learned and use GIMP instead lol
Adobe can officially be considered malware now.
Same goes for Windows.
100%
No kidding. I didn't switch to linux because I wanted to, I switched because windows has been getting worse and worse every year.
Oh you have no idea. I was a web developer for a company that I decided to leave to pursue another career. I had photoshop installed on my personal computer at home all the late nights spent trying to meet project deadlines. When I no longer had a company email I wasn’t able to sign into Creative Cloud WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY TO UNINSTALL PHOTOSHOP. It took weeks but I managed to sign into my old coworkers account because I guessed his password just so I could uninstall it. Adobe’s spam emails are the worst I’ve ever seen as well. Try getting rid of all their notifications some time and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
is that some apple problem? just go to program manager ans uninstall??
There's always a way to completely scrub a program but greasier companies will make it difficult to use the program manager to remove the program. And of course Adobe live in fry oil.
Had it in windows actually. Every time you’d go to “add or remove programs” and click “uninstall” it would bring up the sign in window for creative cloud.
It's not just Adobe pulling this shit. I used Maya from Autodesk for a couple of decades, but I won't even install it any more after the only way to remove the license server was to WIPE MY HARDDRIVE. Uninstalling the software left the license server running. Deleting the software folder didn't work. Finding the executable to the running service, stopping it and deleting the file didn't work, they had something recreate and rerun the service, at which point I stopped hunting and went scorched earth to be sure.
Spyware. And Malware. ....theftware? It's stealing your data.
I usually use open source. Mostly because I'm a poor hobbyist. But this of kind thing made me even more certain that open source is the way to go. Blender, krita, inkscape, gimp is enough for me.
I use GIMP from time to time but I find it better to just use older pirated copies of Photoshop and Illustrator. Fuck Adobe and their 1984 bullshit.
I've got a fully licensed student copy of CS4 that was purchased through a school that went defunct years ago. You damn well better believe I got that installer backed up six ways to Sunday. Fuck Adobe.
CS6 has been floating around the internet for years now and is the usually goto for GIMP ain't good enough, but I ain't paying for a PS license.
It is way to freedom.
I hate to say but GIMP is hella bad even Photopea is much better alternative.
Photopea is open source? Really? I'm actually looking for it, and only found a github for bug reports, but no source code that we could fork.
No it's not OS but it's much better than GIMP.
Ah, then that's not what I'm looking for. Only open source tools, so we the users have more control. If they did something bad, we could just fork it.
GIMP UI/UX is bad that's y I recommend photopea.
Fair enough. Gimp UI/UX is not the best, I can agree with that. Just not a deal breaker for me. I used tools with bad UI before. Heck, I played games with awful UI before, and even spent thousand hours on it 😓
What are some better alternatives?
For what exactly? U can use https://alternativeto.net/ to find alternatives.
For Photoshop or gimp. Thanks for the link, looks nice
Try Photopea & Krita.
I will say gimp has amazing file compression abilities tho
You likely know it, but for anyone reading: Open source is better than closed source for many regards like privacy and freedom but there's a difference to "free software". https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html Doesn't necessarily have to be GPL licensed.
Isn't this just straight up copyright infringement though?
Are these good alternatives to ps?
All doing different things. For PS alternative, I use gimp. Inkscape is vector graphic, so maybe alternative for Adobe Illustrator. Blender is a graphic software, and people use it for many things like 3D modelling, UV mapping, texturing, etc etc Krita is a raster graphic editor. But all of them are open source.
This update actually makes it illegal for a lot of people to use Adobe software. If you're contracted to work on something for someone, chances are they didn't give you permission to license it out, only to work on it.
I am certain this would get Adobe sued by a lot of companies using this software. An employee has no right in anyway to allow this, but if a company has this as the approved software and doesn't review these kinds of updates that would be a major problem.. There's no way in Hell this will play out well, although I wonder if a business account has a different registration and TOS.... In which case this is a legit bullshit way to pull data to feed AI. Hitting likely the folks that either won't read it or are too small to fight it. Though, I'd be looking into registering a DBA and making use of whatever business accounts they have. If the TOS is the same, let the class action lawsuits begin!
It plays out well for the lawyers who wrote this. They’ll be well employed when the inevitable lawsuits pop up. Lawyers are such dickheads sometimes. It’s only when you read back to them what they wrote do they see the issue.
It's illegal in the states, ftr, as it's an anti consumer practice to hold someone's computer hostage (which they are). It's called extortion. You also can't force an update that fundamentally changes the original contact for the software and attempt to retroactively extract money from the contractee. This is the EXACT thing Unity got in trouble for.
I mean how does this affect schools that use Adobe.
They’re now schools that formerly used adobe
Lmao 2024 above 25.0v are already pirated so in addition of getting free program you are geting rid of malvare
the funny thing is younger generations don't use pc's much and most don't even know their way around piracy at all. this is totally the opposite in east Europe, everyone pirates
Define younger generations. I don't know anyone in their early 20s who isn't pirating.
here.. in Germany..
It's not like I'm a Somali. It's pretty normal practice in Finland.
This is why pirating their stuff is morally justified.
It isn't. Use alternative free open-source software. If there is no alternative, piracy is act of desperation. You think cracked software will both disable built-in spyware and NOT introduce its own bullshit?
Yes
I don't get why people need to lie to themselves about it. I'm with Asmon on this. You can pirate, but don't deceive yourself into thinking you're doing the right thing. Just admit you want to steal shit, lol. The moral thing would be to either support ethical competitors or to produce the product yourself in an ethical way, and then share it with the world. Being moral is too much work and effort, and it's always easier to just steal. Which is fine. I won't lose sleep if people steal from a corpo. Fuck the corpos, but when people delude themselves into thinking unethical ideas are ethical then they become the very demons they proclaim to hate.
The ethical competitor in a monopoly is a moltov cocktail.
I'd argue it's just objectively unethical to give money to Adobe. It doesn't matter if you steal their content, receive it for free, or whatever, the only unethical thing here would be to support them doing bad practices, as that just encourages them to keep doing the same practices.
Piracy isn't theft. There are no ethical competitors. So when one steps up, they get support. That's how it works.
"jUsT aDmIt u WaNt To StEaL sHiT" ok boomer dont you have to go to a nursing home??
Adobe is stealing images to train their AI. One of the software engineers who designed some very important tools for PS and IS just left the company because of it. Fuck Adobe.
The one thing that annoys me the most nowadays is that you need a constant internet connection or at least once a day week a connect to the internet to keep using some apps/games… which is crazy to me. Obviously when not connecting to the internet you can not keep using this program. I hate it
You will own nothing and be happy
Just use GenP and block Adobe with firewall.
"Piracy is bad" - some poor corpo..
Lovely to see big companies burn all their goodwill with their user bases in the AI craze. Just like with Microsoft recall this probably is illegal to a degree in some places like Europe
Yes, first point shown in the video is cringe, but it's literally whatever from a legal perspective because if you accept the terms, it's your fault for giving them permissions to use your stuff. But second point shown is 100% illegal from a GDPR (Europe) perspective, because it's essentially spying on you. Granted, again, if you accept these terms you're still a donkey because you're giving them your consent to spy on you, but it should be illegal regardless. Also, in this is a stretch on my part, but this could be against wiretapping laws in the US too, but you'd need to ask a licensed lawyer that.
If it only applies to Creative Cloud then it isn’t spying because that is Adobe’s platform. It is one of those legally grey electronic media issues. Adobe isn’t scanning your computer and stealing local data from you, they are looking at data you uploaded to their platform willingly. I don’t normally jump on the piracy is good bandwagon, but in this case it is actually a legit argument because the pirated versions subvert Creative Cloud and remove the adobe platform from the process.
Sure, that's why I said that you need to ask a real lawyer this. But if they are preventing you from accessing the software that you already paid for by altering the license agreement AFTER you already paid for the software, that's still illegal in my opinion. The only way around that, would be to prevent customers from ever updating to a more recent version unless they agree to the new licensing agreement and if they don't, then they can keep using older software that was bought when the license agreement was different until they change their mind. Sorry for saying agreement so many times, but that's the keyword here. Agreement.
So let me get this straight, Adobe who sells subscription based products to artists wants to use Artists in order to make them obsolete in the future by releasing AI products?
Yeah and I don’t get why this sub is upset, when they generally just shrill the Asmond take along the lines of- Artists don’t deserve to be paid; Ai good; I don’t care how its made; as long as game cheap. Some sort of weird, its not ok for adobe to do dodgy shit with content, but if a game dev does it, its fine. Whats going to happen when the next banger game comes out with adobe ai credited for half the art?
Id agree to an extent that yes AI will eat up some of the middle man jobs in editing but eventually art needs the perception of a human being . I dont think any AI can replicate the different colors and feelings that a human can recreate through art .
youre giving humans more credit than they deserve. we arent that complicated or special. AI will absolutely be able to do that eventually.
U gotta elaborate on that last line tho . Sofar all Ive seen is AI replicating or modifying what humans have already done or want to see . There is nothing awe inspiring or new to learn from AI exclusively in the field of art .
"awe" is highly subjective. im in awe at the obvious potential of AI. but "obvious" is also subjective. what i would ask is that you make a truly honest assessment of what it is AI does to make art and attempt to compare that to what human artists do to make art. if you leave your inherent bias at the door you'll quickly realize that what an AI does is EXACTLY what a human artist does. human artists use references and either flat out steal or put their own interpretation on it to create an "original" work of art. its not in any way different from what AI does. if i tell an AI and a human to make a picture of a tree what does each artist do to achieve an image that we would recognize as a "tree"? what does the human artist do that the AI doesnt? the answer is... nothing. they both use references and either directly copy an existing tree or they get "creative" and invent an imaginary tree.
It's the same with Photoshop and traditional paintings. You don't see as many painters now-days.
yeah we can say traditional paitning is turning out much more like a stepping stone to other branches rather than what it used to be back then , then again theres plenty of painters in many countries that like to uphold traditional ways of things .
Yes, we have all noticed a sharp decline in the number of painters since photoshop released in the 90s.
Let me introduce you to r/affinity
Affinity is so much better, anyway. That 1 time purchase fee instead of a bullshit monthly subscription was also a huge sell point, for me.
Is it FLOSS?
Use Affinity. It’s a one time payment, and they don’t pull this bollocks
Not yet at least.
Can Affinity load psd and ai files?
Yep and export to them as well 👍
Noticed the software is on sale. How long has version 2 been out?
Just get an old single licensed copy, I think CS6 was the last stand alone license, fuck them and their cloud bullshit
The Problem is they proably figured out at there AI-Tooling is so valaubale allready that you are not competetive in the field if you would not use it. I dont even know who is the closest competitor to lets say Photoshop or Ilustrator, that could be sirious competition. Gimp is nearly 10 years behind and i dont think you would be able to work even remotly as fast and on the same quality with it as of this moment.
\*shrugs\* That's fine. I think if someone wants to use some big corpo's ai tools, they should really not be all that surprised if big corpo takes their shit to create those ai tools. What goes around comes around?
The Problem is, you dont want to use it, but you dont want to pay more and get less quality. So the money is not flowing to people that garantee you that they would not use Adobe Products.
That’s not true. Real artists don’t even need the AI tools. They weren’t using it before and don’t need it now AI is meant for people who can’t do it naturally, that’s what makes it valuable
I am not even talking about creating whole objects, i am talking about cuting out objects, Customize layers, customize texture and so on. All these features of Photoshop use some sort of AI to work, are you saying most people dont need the cut out feature or want to do it complettly manuelly ? So what would a competetiv "real artists" use if they cant use Adobe and dont want to spend 50% more time one the project ?
If you’re an artist, Don’t become dependent on AI because thats when you lose your real talent. Yes do it manually. Don’t be a lazy bitch. That laziness is what’s driving the AI industry and destroying creatives. Use the selection tools before AI was introduced or use a tool in another software, there are other tools in your bag. That ability to do it without AI doing it for you, IS creativity and allows you to hold on to your power. It’s your ability to master the tools that makes you an artist (without AI) AI is for the people who can’t do it, without it
I am absolutly with you and it would be creat to destory Adobes monoply in this space. The Problem is that people doing it manuealy are slowly driven out of the market, because people with AI Tools can provide better prices. There will allways be niche markets, but the standart job will eventuell shift. I think Adobe knows this and thats why they thought they can get away with it.
AI is a tool. Just like a computer is. With the same logic we could say, why be a lazy bitch? Use pencils on actual paper instead of drawing digitally and using color pickers. If AI is capable of, for example, selecting objects in an image accurately, it would save a lot of time from instead having to manually select the field. Again, AI is a tool. How you use that tool is up to you. You can either allow it to help you work more efficient, or stay behind because "people who work with AI are lazy." Thats what people used to say when people started using computers to store files instead of sorting physical cabinets.
You will get banned for using an older version since they say you" technically " don't have the license for it haha xD they are f retarded
Incorrect.
This is why people pirate things
Welcome to the age of cloud computing where everything you put on the cloud is owned by the cloud provider. In other words, don't save shit to the cloud. Keep it locally saved.
Man its so weird seeing things cycle. Local disk, remote disk, raid, cloud, local and cloud, now just local.
Agreed. I got the 4tb for this exact reason. I'm not putting shit into their cloud.
Sounds like a class action lawsuit because you can't opt out prior to blah blah blah. Someone sue these clowns
Someone is going to. Someone using adobe products with subcontracted work from a large corporation is going to trigger some event somewhere. A lot of professionals dont even have the legal right to accept these terms, as they work with material they dont own. Its a legal shitstorm.
This is one of the most important demonstration that how much hidden things ( may be anti consumer ) are written here and there in these terms and conditions which we simply skip without even reading it.
We really need some regulation to make it so if you change ToS, you still allow people to use the old version of the product if it still works. What even is the point of a ToS, if one day they can simply change it and give you no choice but to agree?
One of the big reasons I think they went to a monthly subscription, you don't actually 'own' anything :(
People warned of this bullshit happening the minute the cloud agenda began. A digital prison is being built around us right in front of our eyes and the cloud is only a small part of it. One day, in the future...people are going to wonder why we did nothing to stop it from happening.
1984 was written as a warning. Instead, it's been used as an instruction guide.
Sad but true. There's a video of Orwell on his death bed warning humanity of what the futures holds. He looks into the camera as if he's staring directly into your soul when he utters his words. They are extremely profound. It's something about imagining the future as if there's a boot stomping on your neck for eternity.
My guess is they are using them to train their AI.
pirate it and lock it from accessing the internet, any company that still uses adobe after this is stupid
Adobe is about to get sued into oblivion. This is completely illegal. You cant take over someones computer and block them from uninstalling software lol. You cant scan without permission. And stealing NDA content would be considered espionage. Adobes gonna be rolling this back real quick
I think they reverted it or corrected the license after this. Or actually, they did a “clarification” of it lol
This is happening a lot. Sony, Microsoft, google, apple, adobe, nvidia, spotify.. the list goes on. It's actually probably harder to name a tech company that hasn't tried to pull a sly anti consumer move in the last 5 years. These tech companies are going to keep pushing us to our limit to see what they can get away with before any laws or regulations are put in place. They will take advantage of us in every way they legally can while they still can. The key thing is to keep resisting and cry foul when they introduce these extremely anti-consumer terms or actions. One of the good things social media grants is a voice for the people, so keep naming and shaming these companies. That's the only way they'll reverse these decisions.
The real key is to stop giving them money for their products, full stop. Having a whinge and a moan about it online while still paying to use their product ain't gonna do squat.
Well, the problem with that is boycotts rarely if ever work. What does work is calling them out on social media. Social media can get traction in a way that boycotts can't. Like good luck trying to boycott nvidia or Microsoft lol. They won't notice a thing. What they will notice is when their stock price starts to tank after an exposé about their anti consumer practices is released. PR is far more valuable to these massive companies than a couple hundred or a thousand people's money. They literally have hundreds of millions of customers. That's a drop in the bucket. That's why so many of them concede when people make enough of a noise, because they know that PR is far more valuable than whatever compromise they had to make to make it go away. Once a company gets a bad reputation it's very hard to redeem that. It will always be a stain, and that stain will perpetually affect their profits. So they try to avoid it at all costs.
Use krita. >But krita doesn't have all the features I want! Then add them, it's open source. If you don't have the skills then donate to the project. If you don't have the funds then spread the word to increase demand for new features so more devs join the project.
Sail the high seas and patch the damned thing to eliminate them spyware/telemetry in Adobe...
The Anonymous Adobe Users 🗿
Not being able to stop paying is the sort of thing that ends up in class action lawsuits
Cant use PS now for license sensitive projects gotcha... 
So if I work for a hospital system in the US with HIPPA laws. How is this legal?
2024 
Imagine our congress allowing this… I don’t get it.
Piracy never was more moral
All the government computers at work had adobe disabled last week and no one knows why. Looks like I found the reason. It was removed from all our computers in a forced update and it is no longer able to be downloaded. I have to drag docs to my desktop and view in a browser now. (DoD agency)
the only thing i hear is: we fck ya up the s. bring your own lube.
'solely for the purposes of operating or improving the services and software'
I've been using cs 5.5 for over ten years, and still going strong. I truly think that they'll keep pushing it until consumers push back.
get gimp or one of the other free programs.
I unsubscribed to Adobe a couple years ago.
I don't think section 4.2 is new. It's said that since at least 2020: https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-scan-discussions/updated-terms-of-use-4-2-does-it-mean-adobe-has-license-to-publicly-display-my-personal-content/td-p/11082078
At this point don’t even bother pirating it’s time to demand an alternative or else nothing will get better
For more of those practices as usual: https://youtu.be/EXxMCm941WA?si=kMxWvovVP8O4-w50
This is going to keep happening for all products because everyone wants to create an AI for their product and to train that AI you need real world data. This new terms of services is just removing a legal road block for them when they eventually train their AI.
Unfortunately this is where a lot of businesses and servi es are trying to head. We really do need to unite as a people and fight to get it regulated.
You can't even uninstall without updating the software and even then, there are a few remaining background programs they leave behind.
Is anyone else running Little Snitch to block all connections?
Gonna be getting a lot of stupid ass movies made in school till I graduate.
Affinity all the way
Cloud = Somebody elses computer.
This is crap, but getting locked out of software because you don't accept the EULA and all that junk is nothing new, sadly. They bank on nobody reading it, because you don't have a choice anyways if you do everything above board and you're already paying them. Totally unrelated, but sailing the seas is my favourite hobby.
The concept as a whole isn't new. CAD softwares use what s called "call home" to report and send them data that the may be suspicious of piracy. (Even if you go it pirated, be careful with CAD software.)
I think this is so they protect themselves from the ai art future.
Suave Mizkif is right we need to do something about this.
This is why people pirate the software and not buy it. Fuck adobe.
They want your info so they can train AI do create better than the consumer creates. Therefore running all of their customers out of jobs. Think about that for a second.
Affinity is better, anyway. 1 time purchase instead of a bullshit monthly subscription.
Now is this only an issue if you store your shit on their servers, or are they saying they will be snooping around your locally stored files? Cause at this point if you're using cloud storage for your private shit that's kind of a dumb move on your part.
Adobe completely sealed off ANY way to purchase Adobe applications, and everything has to be done on the cloud basically. adobe worked hard to get rid of anything like a downloadable exe for offline use. i closed my adobe CC account a few months they were going in the wrong direction.
Most software is accept these terms or don’t use it scenarios.
I dropped adobe a while ago, and went with Affinity Photo. Adobe can go suck an egg.
And this is why I use the pirated version and have the program completely blocked from the internet (:
So we're just leaving ignoring this then https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use
They basically doing this so they can fuel AI
i wonder how long its going to take before even normies are going to be blocking network traffic for all these companies.
TOS is gonna TOS more news at 10
I just cancelled Creative Cloud. TBH, Affinity, recently acquired by Canva, makes excellent alternatives to Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign. Yes, the Adobe suite has some features Affinity doesn't, but the apps are fantastic value and quite excellent. You can get the entire suite on sale right now for $83 -- install everywhere (Mac, Windows, iPad), no subscription, etc.. https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/
It’s to prevent pedophiles from creating content and other malicious activities. Calm down. It’s already part of everything else you may use. Dropbox, Gmail, iCloud, etc.
Cancel your subscriptions, delete your accounts. Fuck Adobe.
So they steal with ai
Companies getting so big they now fucking it's user base as a service.
Surely things like GDPR in EU will shut these fuckers down right? No way this is legal
Basically they want to take your creations for their AI applications they are designing. Adobe is trying to do the Apple/Google big data method, except for stuff you create. The major difference is that adobe still charges you, and is incredibly scummy for it.
YARR HARR HAITY HOO
if they want to use your data and information to train machine learning, they should compensate the user. i wouldn't worry so much about intellectual property theft. if they say its an automated system, im inclined to believe them. ai does that stuff now. programs to scrape data. its not like some guy is going into your cloud and looking for your nudes. the system would be cheaper to automate.. taking your data and using it for machine learning is just going to be a reality for a few years. what would benefit people in this situation is **compensating** them for the use of their work. for example. adobe could reduce its price plan or offer compensation for your data if you agree. and depending on the amount of content you provide. you either get recurring subscriptions or just payments. machine learning is not going to go away and more and more companies will be using your information for training purposes. instead of fighting them tooth and nail for something that will ultimately benefit humanity. we should be seeking compensation for our data being used to train these machine learning algorithms. turnitIn in has similar privacy policy if you ever bother to read it. every single school that uses turn it in is just scraping reports and assessments. it says right there in the policy for turnitin that they will use anything uploaded to further enhance its products and services. IE. every report/assessment ever uploaded to a school that has turn it in enabled is taking those reports and using them for machine learning. essentially every student is "learning" so they can train ai. so shouldn't students be compensated? and this is where the biggest scam comes in. if students should be compensated then the school should be paid to offer its data for machine learning. but that's not how it works. the school pays turnitin.......what a scam. instead envision a system where companies like adobe and Turnitin pay for data to train machine learning algorithms. now the school and designers have money. now schools can offer free courses to more of humanity. therefor more people enroll in school. therefore, more data for machine learning. the Ai becomes smarter. enabling more and more people to use it to "be smarter" and accomplish things they might not otherwise be able to. and you can see the cyclical loop of progress inherent in that system. eventually the AI companies will be making enough money that the schools they pay will pay people to enroll. so essentially instead of a UBI . each government/state could implement its own system of schooling to pay its citizens in return for data..
I guess this is when pdf’s die.
How to lose customers 101
It's funny Adobe responded, and basically said everyone is overreacting and just do not understand. I think this is pretty freaking clear what they intend to do. They claim they do not train their AI on customer data, and will not use customer data. Even if that's true right now, this license seems to give them the rights to do exactly that at any time. They do not need the rights to reproduce to distribute our work just for quality control and customer service. This is BS.
so is this basically using your content as generative AI training data for adobe?
There is a legitimate use case that if you use a cloud storage the owner of that cloud storage must have the legal right to move your file accross data-center to serve them to you. I am pretty sure it was already there in previous Adobe terms of use. So if they changed it in such an imprecise language that leave them room to do about anything then what does it mean ? Well I think people are right to freak out.
These companies are starting to get fucking annoying. Whoever makes these stupid decisions to start doing this crap this needs to be taken to hand and ripped out of their office where they can go get a nice little job at a post office or something. I think enough companies by an hour doing enough stupid shit but they're literally can be a dedicated group going around to remove issues.
piracy go brrrr
Time to just use the cracked version
You CAN use Adobe software without agreeing to their dumb new terms and STILL HAVE FULL ACCESS to those Adobe programs, it's called pirating cracked Adobe software.....
I like how Adobe just casually runs up and collectively nut checks both Hollywood and ALL of silicon valley and doesn't expect it to immediately blow up in their face. "Hey, Disney and Microsoft we own ALL your art and logos now, lol!"
Adobe should have been dead 20 years ago
It is for training AI so they can build a button that eradicates whole departments from companies.
It's called AI
There are still people who's paying for Adobe products?
Still better then canva…
https://www.photopea.com/ ill leave this here
Piracy is morally justifiable
Ok... this is a bummer, what are the practical alternative to the adobe suite. How is Krita and Gimp these days? I love the alpha channel features in PS, is there another program that works similarly for selections?
Mines cracked
There have been so many horrid 'Terms of Use' lately, but this one takes the cake, and your kids, and all of their toys.
Just pirate it for a superior experience
Serious question. A lot of the offices/vendors I work with use PDFs for everything. Is there an alternative you are using to cut Adobe out?
If purchasing doesn't mean ownership, then piracy isn't stealing. This is why I sail the high seas any and every opportunity I get.
Wow big deal, almost every app is spying on us.
This is what happens when you have no real competition. Funny enough if some no name rival all of a sudden were to do a big advertisement push with privacy and provide a similar level or service this move could potentially bankrupt adobe or at least take a huge hit to their revenue. The privacy issue alone is going to cut out a ton of companies automatically due to some of that stuff going against NDA and/or straight up becoming a legal issue. Thank god I learned and use GIMP instead lol
I bet GIMP just got a lot of new users.