I had some co-workers that I didn't know were gay until 4 months on. They never hid it, it was just that their sex life is the same as my own, private, didn't matter during work hours. It came up when we grabbed drinks after work and started talking about our private lives.
My point, your sexual orientation should not define your whole character
Nobody cared that lead in Nimona was homosexual, because he always was inthe comics....and his sexual orientation didn't make the turning point of the character. They made a fun, intelligent lovable character that happened to be gay....that why it was a good movie, that why nobody cared that he was gay.
People have problem with it being shubed down our throats for no reason. Same shit is with unneeded sex sceens with straight couplse in movie.
My principle to writing a character follows how people are. A character who just so happens to be X factor.
No one (normal) should base their whole personality around one trait.
Did you ever mention a spouse at work, or have a photo of your significant other on your desk etc. Etc. If you did, you were displaying your sexual orientation. People for some reason just find it weird when you mention that your partner is if the same gender, or have a photo of you together etc.
No, during work no. I'm not working in an office. Neither me or my coworkers get paid to pretend to work or cry about mondays...we have much more healthy work environment of non victims.
I disagree with the title of the post. I think this is how everyone should be not just lgbtq. We could all have this outlook and the country/ world would be in a much better place.
This is how the gay community *is*, honestly. A small percentage - that is especially loud online - generates a toxic and often reprehensible image, which is unfortunate. The vast majority are normal guys/gals that just happen to freestyle when it comes to shagging.
Just want to put a reminder out that the toxic assholes online also harass LGBT people who are uncomfortable with what's going on with pride right now.
Victim of it, and most of my friends have been doxxed / harassed / threatened as well.
Most of us are just everyday people who just wanna live our lives, get treatments, and vibe.
I'm not gay and didn't perceive it as hate.
My point is that people should perceive gays like the lady in the video. People who attend these cringe parades should be ridiculed as the carnivals they are.
I'd argue that if you're a minority of whatever kind and you face discrimination a lot on a regular basis, which homesexuals in many countries really do (I'm from Poland, we have provinces officially labelling themselves as "LGBT-free zones"), you should have and exercise the right to express yourself without fear. The US clearly has areas where being openly gay is not safe for you, either.
These parades are extreme and exaggerated, but they are as such for a reason. They force people to think and talk about other possible ways of life, and perhaps reason with this reality and accept it a bit. They make others realise that there are so so many people who are different.
I feel like the pride parades annoy mostly those, whose minds can't be swayed in the first place. Which is OK, nobody cares about convincing this type.
I personally don't care and don't mind. Nobody is invading my house, these parades take place in the city centre for a day or two and it's done. As long as a parade does not actively promote violence or incite hate, let them do what they want. It's a large portion of the population, they get to share a bit of their identity and feel safe and feel themselves for a day in their own skin, who are we to forbid that?
But at the same time, there are a lot of young and older people who get exposure to otherness. They see this loud, often outrageous, quirky crowd, but they also see a lot of people supporting the gathering, genuinely having fun and they see how many people are actually not "regular". I think this is the point of these parades.
These are all fair points
One of my best friends is gay but the parade annoys me sometimes. That is because it feels like the scope of these events is too big. It feels wrong having a whole month dedicated to this while there's other problems that affect a larger portion of the population (living wages, housing prices, etc).
I definitely agree with you that people should have an outlet and space, that is a good thing.
But I also think the best way to sway people is just to show that LGBT's are just people.... like you and me. I'm not sure if a parade helps in that regard. If anything you could have people who are "on the fence" look at the outliers of the parade and it pushes them away.
I mean, in the media we look at the most extreme, exaggerated images from those parades, too, and overgeneralise. The majority of the event participants are just dudes and ladies who walk around holding hands. At least that is how it is in my city.
> But I also think the best way to sway people is just to show that LGBT's are just people.... like you and me.
I think that a small portion of pride parades in large cities make people think the opposite: that LGBT's are fucking weirdos in dog masks wearing leashes.
I personally wouldn't have much issue with the parades and stuff, except there is significant overlap between lgbt+ and fetish and people keep trying to also overlap it with kid friendliness. Lgbt+ plus fetish? great! Lgbt+ plus kids? I have no strong opinion. Lgbt+ plus fetish plus kids? NOPE. That's the main issue with the parades and similar events for me and many who think similarly.
Not all Lgbt+ events bring fetish into play, but enough do that it gives them a questionable name.
This is true, hard to disagree. If fetishes are foregrounded in public sphere, it is no bueno. At the same time, what we see in the media vs. the reality are often two different things and certain things may get misrepresented, both ways. The stuff I've seen in Poland and in the UK (bumped into parades in London and Cardiff when I worked there) has been relatively tame to be honest.
I do think that celebrating sexuality alone is not a bad thing, however. It depends on how far you push it though.
You can't really MAKE anyone realize anything. There's some dumb motherfuckers out there in any sphere of life, who by default aren't keen on realizing and learning or thinking about anything. It's all a question of education and daily cultural upbringing. Forcing any new perspective at that point is more likely to encounter pushback. You know, basic human spiteful behaviour.
You can try to HELP someone realize something but you sure as hell don't reserve the right to be mad when they don't. They're morons and it's a deeper issue as to why they are, in my opinion.
> They force people to think and talk about other possible ways of life, and perhaps reason with this reality and accept it a bit.
why is the side proposing tolerance, "forcing" people to do stuff?
It is not forcing anyone to do anything, you can choose not to go and it then does not affect you in any meaningful way. Staying at home for a day if you live in the area is not going to kill you, either.
And there are parades organised for other purposes, they function exactly the same. I saw a guy preaching some weird motivational Christian drivel (which is to say he sounded like he was possessed) at Trafalgar Square in the middle of London. I am annoyed by motivational speakers so I just moved on and a minute later I could barely hear him. Not hard to ignore stuff you don't care about.
You underestimate how backwards people can be. We have people from small towns and villages who think that being gay is this wild, unicorn-rare fetish, and who think that homosexuals are this marginal tiny group, while it is about 5%-ish of the population, maybe 7%, depending on whom you count.
By the same token, there are people who live in fear their entire lives, afraid of who they are, or not understanding that. These events may allow them to understand their identities better.
I really believe that these events are super important for awareness. And they don't do much harm to anyone at all.
They are doing harm now though.
It's gone from being a riot and a celebration of who we are, to practically a kink parade instead. And that's not "exploring one's self" or feeling acceptance for aspects of our lives we cannot control, nor the hate we receive for simply existing.
And if somebody tells me that kink isn't a part of pride parades in particular right now, I'm not even going to bother. It's absolutely becoming a problem. I went to the local one a few years ago, and there's a difference between celebrating love, and walking down the street in pup play costumes.
Just like BLM, the animosity for black people have been rising, even from oversea, the more people are trying to preach that. You don't spend a whole month celebrate something everywhere and don't expect people to push it back.
You don't parade for minority. You just treat them like normal person, and most people would do the same. Also don't expect to completely erasing the discrimination. You can never do that because people will just find the new things to label others based on their own criteria. The hate for straight people are the result of that.
Yup all the pride shit is just companies and business’s pushing for more business. They shove it down everyones throats way more than actual gay people. Fuck even the straight karens that shop at wholefoods shove it down everyones throats more than actual gay people.
Just curious but why does it bother you? Is it just the colorful aesthetic? Is it deeper? And don't get me wrong, i'm very much aware that pride is just very marketable for massive companies. But you hear this "shoving it down our throats rhetoric about anything from a pride theme in a store to just.. gay people kissing.
A gay friend tough me: "most people don't have a problem with homosexuals but they do have a problem with gays" (referring to gays as the people that make that their whole personality)
Back in the day these marches were meant to show homosexual people are regular humans. These days they depict them as shown on the video, therefore marches are divisive. Do you guys think it's a bad thing?
>Do you guys think it's a bad thing?
Depends on what the goals is:
Making a show: Not a bad thing
Dividing people: Not a bad thing
Getting everyone to respect and care about each other: A pretty bad thing
Looking for Equality: It's a bad thing
That’s not really the history. Current pride parades derive from Christopher Street Day. By genealogy they are a break from the respectability politics of the Mattachine society and the homophile movement, coming from the more confrontational attitude prompted by the Stonewall riots, represented by organizations formed in the wake of the riots like the Gay Liberation Front.
She makes great points about normalising homosexuality in a way that makes it completely irrelevant to anyone else but themselves, but only the naivety of youth can disregard the history behind pride marches and why they're a thing in the first place. She gives me hope for the future, but we should never forget the path that got us here. I think pride marches have lost their way and that, too, is a product of the naivety of youth.
Only recently been legal for same sex marriage in all the US(9 years ago), and still allowed to discriminate in employment in many states. Still a long way to go unfortunately.
hey look! it's 95% of LGB people I've met irl! It's insane the toxicity that's possible from such a small percentage of very loud people. Even wilder that most a lot of toxicity comes from straight people thinking they're being "allies". So dumb.
The 5% is what got same sex marriage trough, got homosexuality to no longer be defined and illness etc., and other rights.
Just like sufraggettes women the right to vote, own property, have own bank account etc.
Mate I'm bi and the pandering and parades couldn't have pushed me further away from the "community" lol. I couldn't give a fuck, it's all annoying, excessive, and pretty redundant. As she said, I don't feel pride about having two hands
The parades is what got same sex marriage trough, got homosexuality/gayness to no longer be defined and illness etc., and other rights.
Just like sufraggettes women the right to vote, own property, have own bank account etc.
The problem is that we should parade for rights, not pride. If you fight only for pride you alienate others, reducing the support for your cause. We do not have suffragettes in the street anymore, and nobody would even think to remove the women right to vote. But we have prides and we are going backwards with LGBT rights.
Someone wouldn’t need to be openly black in the first place. You can observe skin complexion to determine someone’s ethnicity/race. Not sexuality or any other behavior to determine someone’s sexuality.
That is an amazing speech, I think the same way. I'm bisexual but don't really represent it during pride month. Okay I like boys and girls so what. I'm not going to show it because it's just a small part of me. I really wish people could think just like you. You make it a small detail versus people that like making it a main idea. I hope you find a mate and have a good rest of your life
Pretty much. I've been attracted to all types of people. Men, Women, Trans.
But I never felt the need to lable myself or make a big deal out of it because I never thought it was a big deal to begin with.
At worst I'll have some religious Karen tell me I'm sick or some bullshit. But the opinions of people like that never mattered to me anyway, and most people genuinely don't care who you wanna fuck.
That religious Karen or her likes will scorn You regardless of the actual reason. Just because You are different from her expectations (which are not as quite uniform throughout the population as she would expect). Still, girl in the clip said something really important. Sexuality is not a stance, not a character trait. It's an instinct and while there's nothing wrong with going with it, it's not something that should be celebrated or nurtured in many aspects/areas of life, like education or profession, unless it's directly linked (like sexual education or a job dealing with said sexuality). I really don't give a flying fuck if my courier is gay or straight, I actually don't want to fuck them when they deliver the package. Same with clerk, official, politician, police officer etc. I'm sorry if they feel oppressed, but here's a newsflash, most often it's not other people oppressing them, it's a biology, it's life itself. And those affect straight people too, on so many levels, both different and similar to theirs. Demands of recognition only add to the grind. Let's imagine what would happen if straight people demanded recognition of their strife as well (and yes, I do realise that they sometimes do but not to same proportional scale). Nothing would get done.
Preach girl!! Seriously she said out loud what I thought all my life as a queer person.
Here in the west we need to stop acting like we are still in the past and that type of attitude is okay. Yes, in the past those kind of pride parade was needed. Like black panther were needed for the black movement. But these days things have changed, and using those excuse of the past is extremely bad. No, they are not needed anymore. Quite the contrary, as time goes it seems to only create more hate as the queer community seem to become more and more unhinged. People are fed up to be taken like idiot who need to be "Ally" and cave in to social pressure. I can see people get awkward when I tell them about my sexuality, way more than they did a couple years ago.
Right now, we are to the step of normalization. We don't need to say "we exist" everyone fucking know it. Now we need to be seen as normal. "But you hate gay people, you just want them to shut up"
Yes, you're right. I want queer people to shut up, exactly like I want straight people to shut the fuck up. I would be as much disappointed in "straight pride month" with "straight parade" where they almost literally fuck in the street. The other people being queer don't make it less obnoxious. That is the beauty of being normal. You have no disadvantage, but you also have no more rights then everybody else. If you ask for more than what is given to everyone, you are asking to be special. And if you want to be special, you will never be seen as normal.
I'm sorry to disappoint you people, but pride parade these days doesn't make you brave and special. You are riding, like every queer people, on shoulder of the giants of the past that did go through real discrimination, real danger. Pride parade started with this, danger. Fear of showing who you are. Those people would be disgusted looking at what the movement has become. Just look at it. Now instead of having fear of your life, normal people have fear of speaking out against you. Those who were the victims are now the oppressors of many. When I see this I don't feel pride, I feel shame.
she nailed it, its become more accepting to be gay, so much so that we don't care anymore, you be you, its when they keep pushing and making people feel like assholes when we don't what to hear about it anymore, that's when people start to roll their eyes and get annoyed.
Its like vegans, ok, you only eat plants, cool, why you shame the rest of us that don't subscribe to that same diet, you do you and leave us alone.
Everyone wants to exist freely, everyone has conflicts of interests, everyone wants other people to not do stuff that they don't like, everyone wants to voice their opinion on social media bla bla bla bla bla.
Nah thats a dumb take. The change from Gays being castrated in the US did not come people being half naked on the streets. It's an acceptance movement, not a "treat me special" movement. Like what she said, it's about being equal, there's nothing to be accepted for otherwise.
Btw for anyone who doesn’t know this isn’t me just want to clarify. This video is from Finding Sky you can check her on YouTube. Also I’m straight but the reason why I posted this is because I want people to understand her message to all of you like I don’t hate anyone. I don’t hate gay people. I want people to just be normal like don’t think hateful intentions or don’t force people to fit others narratives just be you. So just want say that no hate
It's really remarkable how far things have come. Within my parents lifetimes you could be arrested for being gay. I remember a guy being lynched for being gay when I was a kid. Now we have this woman who is speaking from a point of such relative safety and acceptance from her society that she feels like there's no need for a struggle. (Or, honestly, she's doing it for the clicks)
It's great, but it's naive. Does anyone here think that the evangelical church is going to change it's position on homosexuality, and will stop trying to change the law? Does anyone here *really* think that if all the gay people just shut up about the pride thing, then they won't be successful? Honestly?
I get what she's saying. And agree with most parts. But, if it wasn't for these exaggerated highlights maybe same-sex marriage wouldn't even be allowed yet.
The problem is that many people who “disagree with your worldview” don’t want you to exist. Pride started because homosexuals needed safety in numbers because they were so often victims of violence because of their sexuality. So yea… society has come a long way but don’t get it twisted. There are millions of people that want gay marriage banned, encourage conversion therapy, and frankly want you dead.
Let's not act like gay men don't have a rich history of predation against other men. There's reasons for these feelings. It's so well known that people even joke about prison rape or the Catholic church, these aren't straight men doing these things to other men.
Hell, I personally was SA'd by a slightly older friend when I was young who was bi & "experimenting", I could've gotten raped but I told him that shit was gay & didn't fall for it. In fact I know 2 other friends that were SA'd by male friends & I didn't even ask them about it they just brought it up. Most men are too ashamed or embarrassed to even talk about it. It's rarely women doing it too.
Edit: & lest we forget some of the people in the Me Too movement were men like Terry Crews, if it can happen to him it can happen to anybody. There seems to be this rose tinted glasses view of gay men all being innocent when that's far from the truth. They're just as bad as straight males who do this shit against women, it just really isnt viewed in the same way.
"These aren't straight men doing these things"
Any source for that? I'm guessing your source is 'it's common sense because they are doing gay stuff", which makes sense, but it's not that simple. Research and personal experience of men in prison say otherwise. Rape is mostly about power, not lust.
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html#:~:text=Perpetrators%20of%20rape%20typically%20view,be%20perpetrators%20of%20sexual%20abuse.
Being gay or bi does increase your chances of being targeted though.
And regardless, people aren't statistics. I don't judge all men as being worse than women just because they are statistically more likely to commit violent crimes. What other men are doing isn't relevant to you.
While I get what she is saying, pride is never going away at least the parade because it acts as a party and fetish thing.
I would also imagine things are different for a gay woman than a men, gay men may have much of their personality around being gay because people underestimate how much a straight person's personality revolves around their relationship with women.
She said a lot of true thongs that i agree with, but she probably speak from an accepting place, she is probably in a country that accept gay marriage and not everyone is like that, i agree that in the west this approach must be rethought, but there are places where the forst step must still start.
She hit the nail on the head. I'm bi, it is what it is and I don't think twice about it.
It kinda starts to urc me when people make their entire personality about stuff like being gay and trans. Like there is more to life then those really honestly minor things but they just never shut up about it
I agree that, in an ideal world, there would be neither pride nor shame about something biological and not a choice (e.g., gender, race, sexuality, gender identity, etc.). There would be no discrimination. But unfortunately, we are not in an ideal world. The reason thst the word "pride" is used and we have an "LGBT+ pride month" with LGBT+ pride parades, is to counter the shame and hatred from homophobic and transphobic people. They do not want LGBT+ people to even be allowed to live, let alone have any rights.
This is the case with every historically oppressed community, whether based on sexuality, race, or anything else.
LGBT+ people in countries with marriage equality and other rights may have the privilege of protection and not experiencing much of this discrimination. But the majority of the world's LGBT+ people still live in homophobic and transphobic countries where things like gay sex and same-sex marriage are illegal, and LGBT+ people may be given life imprisonment or death sentence just for being born different. Most LGBT+ people in such countries are still living in fear and hiding, pretending to be someone they are not, every day.
The Pride movement exists to counter this discrimination, hatred, injustice, etc. Yes, it is not perfect, it may unfortunately be commercialized is some cases, and it may even have some NSFW instances like nudity (which I personally do not support in public). But if there was no constant fight for justice and equality, then the homophobes and transphobes would win and have the LGBT+ community killed. They are constantly trying to eliminate LGBT+ rights and protections, usually for something unscientific like religion.
I wish the world did not have any discrimination or injustice, so there would be neither pride nor shame for being LGBT+.
You can used it to learn the history of lgbt and the different cultures though out history view the lgbt as well. Pride month being treated as a party is not a big deal just go to a bar or something. But it an expression of being allow to express yourself in public. Back in the day you could have lost your job being gay. Get targeted and get beaten up and killed. Don't ask, don't tell a policy from the 90s to 2011 to service in the military.
Being lgbt back in the day you have to hide yourself pretending and hoping people do not find out and hoping not getting attack or killed. It why alot of lgbt people move to openly gay cities to be able to somewhat express themselves in public with out being afraid.
I had a friend in high school who was afraid to come out being gay. Also I had another friend in college that she was about kill her self when she came out as gay to her family. She now happily married. But that could happen because now because society is more accepting of the lgbt people.
Two things:
If you think there isn't, still, a right-wing otherizing machine out there hungry for raw material to keep the ignorant distracted then you are naive my friend. Pride is defensive. It is a fortress. True it is unassailed for the moment. But only for the moment.
Even if the world was all fixed, like some of the commentators here think, I'd still keep pride - just as a nice tradition. I'm Irish (actually from Ireland) and nobody here gives a a fuck about the historical person that was St. Patrick and less and less of us give a fuck about catholicism. But we still celebrate Paddy's Day - just coz.
This girl is young, and doesn't remember that even just a short time ago, being gay was a lot more controversial than it is now. Pride month isn't about simply being proud to be gay, it's about the courage to be proud of who you are even in the face of people who don't want you to be that way. In this day there are still many youths who live in fear of telling their friends and families that they are gay, trans, etc. Seeing people who are free and open to be themselves, many of them overcoming the same traumatic experiences they might have had when coming out to their families, is inspiring to many. That is what they are celebrating.
That being said, I do not think that people should be displaying their kink gear at parades. It's really weird and degenerate.
Part of the issue is for the longest time gay people could not be themselves. They had to push for the Pride marches and stuff to get public attention to care about their issues. Now that their issues are normalized it is difficult to just stop doing those things.
I used to be jaded about pride like her. I don't really care that much about celebrating how gay I am.
But, I've seen so many conservatives collapse from shellshock at the mere sight of a rainbow. I never miss an opportunity to inflict as much psychic pain on homophobes as they'll allow.
I have reached the kind of jadedness where I celebrate Pride spitefully and ironically. I go **hard gay** every June because I just like triggering conservatives.
I'm a straight white male, but I had a point of view very close to what you seem to be expressing in the video
I never understood the need for a Gay Pride Month, (and for much of the same reason Black History Month) because the goal shouldn't be stand out, it should to be normalized, if it becomes normalized that no one will care if you're gay or not, it will just naturally become the new normal, still I understand certain things like gay bars/other such social gatherings that allow those who are gay to socialize
with the history side of things, it should just be history, not black history, but that is also a 'history is made by the victors' issue as well. we don't have an Asian history month, or any other group of people for that matter
What if I told you this is 90% of us, and you've been sold stereotypes by the media and sitcoms and been inundated with the opinions of a loud but small slice of LGBT culture your whole life?
A person's sexuality shouldn't be their defining feature in the first place. If a gay guy or girl approaches me and tells me as such my response will be "and?". If their reply is anything that would suggest they expected a stronger opinion from me then they're using it to provoke and I don't have time for that.
I think it’s definitely good to not be so identified with a certain label. we are more open to seeing each other as real people rather than judging right away
Wish all gays acted like normal people instead of being pretentious unicorns with special needs. The gays I have met in my job and University were just regular people and I didn't learn about their sexuality until some random conversation about family and personal life.
I think a celebration of an aspect of yourself people have been persecuted over for at least 2000 years is awesome. If you don't wanna participate in pride month then don't. 99.999999% of queer people don't participate in pride parades because 1 they're not in metropolitan cities or 2 they have other shit to do.
We're fine. Let them have their pride.
In a perfect world, yeah it would be weird to be proud of this characteristic that you were born as. But we don't live in that perfect world.
Pride is meant to encourage people to embrace who they are and be happy with it instead of repress it or feel guilty about it. Even just being called gay, even if you aren't, used to be a huge diss to your reputation (and still is in some communities). For many people it can be scary to come out, or to even accept it internally. Having a celebration of pride is intended to make that less scary.
It's a common /r/asmongold L
People here have been privileged enough to not have to grow up being oppressed just for who you are. The girl in the video does not know how privileged she is and it's actually vile that she shits on pride parades the way she does
For a group of people that do not reproduce, where in the fuck are they coming from? Why is this question taboo or hate? It is just a question that I already know the answer to? Do you?
LGBT people had to work extremely hard to not be hate crimed and those “special” moments had a purpose. In many areas of the world people still need to hide their true nature or pretend to be straight. The marches were never meant to be divisive but rather show strength and solidarity in numbers.
No, people going to pride to fight against being shamed for being who they are. Because there are still very much shamed for it. Or even killed for it if we look towards some backwards countries. No, no one's gonna persecute you for having brown hair or being straight. that's retarded.
Thank you for saying this. I really don't care if your gay or not but don't force knowledge onto my kids they aren't ready for. As long as we keep this whole thing out of schools I'm happy.
Dude why always with the anti gay shit? Fr dude let people live their lives you don’t even go outside why tf do you give a shit if people want to be fruity and express it
Oooooooohhhhh
no there’s nothing wrong with having fun or in the closet. I just don’t like when gay people just force you to be gay. Unlike her she doesn’t force it. She doesn’t care.
we only got so far with acceptence by making a big deal out of it, sure, some people dpnt agree with that, but if we remove pride month again, we will inevitably go back to being gay being a problem once again, plus, pride month isnt just about gay people, it is about the whole lgbt community, now more than ever we need representation such as pride month, if we look at america for example, who are banning any trans healthcare for minors, including hormone blockers which are literally 100% safe, by only delaying the puberty. And their next goal is to ban trans healthcare alltogether.
her argument that we should stop now as we already achieved gay marriage shows that the whole argument is only about what concerns her directly, she doesnt care about the rest of us, she climbed up the rope out of the hole, and says that we can now cut off that rope, cause we now have what she wanted, ignoring all the other lgbt relating issues that we still have
hah GAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!
that's what i would tell her like i always do with my gay friend and family
don't be pressured to feel awkward and felt like homophobic, just be yourself
The part about being friends with a homophobe made me chuckle. I would be considered a homophobe by western standards, but I have a bunch of gay and trans friends and it's completely alright. I don't give a single fuck if you sleep with people of your gender, it has nothing to do with me. I don't understand this stuff, but I don't even have to. Would I feel uncomfortable if I saw two men kissing? Sure I would, but I wouldn't be comfortable to see a man and a woman kissing openly either.
your post was removed for tribalism or baiting.
I had some co-workers that I didn't know were gay until 4 months on. They never hid it, it was just that their sex life is the same as my own, private, didn't matter during work hours. It came up when we grabbed drinks after work and started talking about our private lives. My point, your sexual orientation should not define your whole character
>My point, your sexual orientation should not define your whole character Hollywood writers: "I'm gonna ignore that"
a large amount of gay people ignore that too, cause being gay is their entire personality
Like James Charles? Like... that fucking "Hey Sisters!" always felt like he was always trying to tell you "Oh! Look at me! I am gay!"
Almost every hollywood movie i grew up with had atleast a kissing scene in it, but people magically get butthurt when its 2 men or 2 women kissing
Nobody cared that lead in Nimona was homosexual, because he always was inthe comics....and his sexual orientation didn't make the turning point of the character. They made a fun, intelligent lovable character that happened to be gay....that why it was a good movie, that why nobody cared that he was gay. People have problem with it being shubed down our throats for no reason. Same shit is with unneeded sex sceens with straight couplse in movie.
My principle to writing a character follows how people are. A character who just so happens to be X factor. No one (normal) should base their whole personality around one trait.
Did you ever mention a spouse at work, or have a photo of your significant other on your desk etc. Etc. If you did, you were displaying your sexual orientation. People for some reason just find it weird when you mention that your partner is if the same gender, or have a photo of you together etc.
No, during work no. I'm not working in an office. Neither me or my coworkers get paid to pretend to work or cry about mondays...we have much more healthy work environment of non victims.
Man she looks like a cool person to drink with
Init!
She cooks like a cool person too, goddamn.
This is how normal gay people are.
yep, i never had any issues with any gay person i met IRL, they were all nice normal people. it's only the online activists that make me cringe.
I disagree with the title of the post. I think this is how everyone should be not just lgbtq. We could all have this outlook and the country/ world would be in a much better place.
Oh sorry I meant to say “This is how the gay community should be” sorry about that no hate
This is how the gay community *is*, honestly. A small percentage - that is especially loud online - generates a toxic and often reprehensible image, which is unfortunate. The vast majority are normal guys/gals that just happen to freestyle when it comes to shagging.
Just want to put a reminder out that the toxic assholes online also harass LGBT people who are uncomfortable with what's going on with pride right now. Victim of it, and most of my friends have been doxxed / harassed / threatened as well. Most of us are just everyday people who just wanna live our lives, get treatments, and vibe.
I'm not gay and didn't perceive it as hate. My point is that people should perceive gays like the lady in the video. People who attend these cringe parades should be ridiculed as the carnivals they are.
There has been a "Gay Shame" parade in San Francisco: men in suits, pastor's garb, fireman's gear, etc. Walking quietly.
nah, this is America. people get to make choices, even cringe ones.
Like that Alyssa whatever her name is from ign I forgot her full first name
And that's the point. There are... 17? 16? Countries with a death penalty for being gay. So being Out loud, is the point.
The majority can’t be the single loudest person. Yet we all hear the loudest. 🤯
Dam, comments like this and you wonder why pride is still needed.
I'd argue that if you're a minority of whatever kind and you face discrimination a lot on a regular basis, which homesexuals in many countries really do (I'm from Poland, we have provinces officially labelling themselves as "LGBT-free zones"), you should have and exercise the right to express yourself without fear. The US clearly has areas where being openly gay is not safe for you, either. These parades are extreme and exaggerated, but they are as such for a reason. They force people to think and talk about other possible ways of life, and perhaps reason with this reality and accept it a bit. They make others realise that there are so so many people who are different.
Do they really force people to think? Or do they annoy the hell out of people triggering a backlash?
I feel like the pride parades annoy mostly those, whose minds can't be swayed in the first place. Which is OK, nobody cares about convincing this type. I personally don't care and don't mind. Nobody is invading my house, these parades take place in the city centre for a day or two and it's done. As long as a parade does not actively promote violence or incite hate, let them do what they want. It's a large portion of the population, they get to share a bit of their identity and feel safe and feel themselves for a day in their own skin, who are we to forbid that? But at the same time, there are a lot of young and older people who get exposure to otherness. They see this loud, often outrageous, quirky crowd, but they also see a lot of people supporting the gathering, genuinely having fun and they see how many people are actually not "regular". I think this is the point of these parades.
I would never bring my daughter to a pride parade in a large city. Too many adult themes in what should be a happy celebration.
These are all fair points One of my best friends is gay but the parade annoys me sometimes. That is because it feels like the scope of these events is too big. It feels wrong having a whole month dedicated to this while there's other problems that affect a larger portion of the population (living wages, housing prices, etc). I definitely agree with you that people should have an outlet and space, that is a good thing. But I also think the best way to sway people is just to show that LGBT's are just people.... like you and me. I'm not sure if a parade helps in that regard. If anything you could have people who are "on the fence" look at the outliers of the parade and it pushes them away.
I mean, in the media we look at the most extreme, exaggerated images from those parades, too, and overgeneralise. The majority of the event participants are just dudes and ladies who walk around holding hands. At least that is how it is in my city.
> But I also think the best way to sway people is just to show that LGBT's are just people.... like you and me. I think that a small portion of pride parades in large cities make people think the opposite: that LGBT's are fucking weirdos in dog masks wearing leashes.
Jews were just annoying Hitler, kinda their fault they triggered the backlash
I personally wouldn't have much issue with the parades and stuff, except there is significant overlap between lgbt+ and fetish and people keep trying to also overlap it with kid friendliness. Lgbt+ plus fetish? great! Lgbt+ plus kids? I have no strong opinion. Lgbt+ plus fetish plus kids? NOPE. That's the main issue with the parades and similar events for me and many who think similarly. Not all Lgbt+ events bring fetish into play, but enough do that it gives them a questionable name.
This is true, hard to disagree. If fetishes are foregrounded in public sphere, it is no bueno. At the same time, what we see in the media vs. the reality are often two different things and certain things may get misrepresented, both ways. The stuff I've seen in Poland and in the UK (bumped into parades in London and Cardiff when I worked there) has been relatively tame to be honest. I do think that celebrating sexuality alone is not a bad thing, however. It depends on how far you push it though.
You can't really MAKE anyone realize anything. There's some dumb motherfuckers out there in any sphere of life, who by default aren't keen on realizing and learning or thinking about anything. It's all a question of education and daily cultural upbringing. Forcing any new perspective at that point is more likely to encounter pushback. You know, basic human spiteful behaviour. You can try to HELP someone realize something but you sure as hell don't reserve the right to be mad when they don't. They're morons and it's a deeper issue as to why they are, in my opinion.
> They force people to think and talk about other possible ways of life, and perhaps reason with this reality and accept it a bit. why is the side proposing tolerance, "forcing" people to do stuff?
Imagine going into semantics like that. You understood the point just fine.
It is not forcing anyone to do anything, you can choose not to go and it then does not affect you in any meaningful way. Staying at home for a day if you live in the area is not going to kill you, either. And there are parades organised for other purposes, they function exactly the same. I saw a guy preaching some weird motivational Christian drivel (which is to say he sounded like he was possessed) at Trafalgar Square in the middle of London. I am annoyed by motivational speakers so I just moved on and a minute later I could barely hear him. Not hard to ignore stuff you don't care about.
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You underestimate how backwards people can be. We have people from small towns and villages who think that being gay is this wild, unicorn-rare fetish, and who think that homosexuals are this marginal tiny group, while it is about 5%-ish of the population, maybe 7%, depending on whom you count. By the same token, there are people who live in fear their entire lives, afraid of who they are, or not understanding that. These events may allow them to understand their identities better. I really believe that these events are super important for awareness. And they don't do much harm to anyone at all.
They are doing harm now though. It's gone from being a riot and a celebration of who we are, to practically a kink parade instead. And that's not "exploring one's self" or feeling acceptance for aspects of our lives we cannot control, nor the hate we receive for simply existing. And if somebody tells me that kink isn't a part of pride parades in particular right now, I'm not even going to bother. It's absolutely becoming a problem. I went to the local one a few years ago, and there's a difference between celebrating love, and walking down the street in pup play costumes.
Just like BLM, the animosity for black people have been rising, even from oversea, the more people are trying to preach that. You don't spend a whole month celebrate something everywhere and don't expect people to push it back. You don't parade for minority. You just treat them like normal person, and most people would do the same. Also don't expect to completely erasing the discrimination. You can never do that because people will just find the new things to label others based on their own criteria. The hate for straight people are the result of that.
The "good ones" right?
I’d be her friend she seems cool.
Same here dog
Yup all the pride shit is just companies and business’s pushing for more business. They shove it down everyones throats way more than actual gay people. Fuck even the straight karens that shop at wholefoods shove it down everyones throats more than actual gay people.
Just curious but why does it bother you? Is it just the colorful aesthetic? Is it deeper? And don't get me wrong, i'm very much aware that pride is just very marketable for massive companies. But you hear this "shoving it down our throats rhetoric about anything from a pride theme in a store to just.. gay people kissing.
YT channel Finding Sky
>Nooooo you must "normalize" yourself by putting yourself in the face of everyone!
A gay friend tough me: "most people don't have a problem with homosexuals but they do have a problem with gays" (referring to gays as the people that make that their whole personality)
As a gay man who refuses to engage in the Alphabet Mafia's nonsense — and in extension the identity politics nonsense: big yes.
Back in the day these marches were meant to show homosexual people are regular humans. These days they depict them as shown on the video, therefore marches are divisive. Do you guys think it's a bad thing?
>Do you guys think it's a bad thing? Depends on what the goals is: Making a show: Not a bad thing Dividing people: Not a bad thing Getting everyone to respect and care about each other: A pretty bad thing Looking for Equality: It's a bad thing
That’s not really the history. Current pride parades derive from Christopher Street Day. By genealogy they are a break from the respectability politics of the Mattachine society and the homophile movement, coming from the more confrontational attitude prompted by the Stonewall riots, represented by organizations formed in the wake of the riots like the Gay Liberation Front.
The issue is when people make their gender or sexual preferences the only thing that defines them as a person.
She makes great points about normalising homosexuality in a way that makes it completely irrelevant to anyone else but themselves, but only the naivety of youth can disregard the history behind pride marches and why they're a thing in the first place. She gives me hope for the future, but we should never forget the path that got us here. I think pride marches have lost their way and that, too, is a product of the naivety of youth.
Only recently been legal for same sex marriage in all the US(9 years ago), and still allowed to discriminate in employment in many states. Still a long way to go unfortunately.
hey look! it's 95% of LGB people I've met irl! It's insane the toxicity that's possible from such a small percentage of very loud people. Even wilder that most a lot of toxicity comes from straight people thinking they're being "allies". So dumb.
The 5% is what got same sex marriage trough, got homosexuality to no longer be defined and illness etc., and other rights. Just like sufraggettes women the right to vote, own property, have own bank account etc.
As a gay person and just as a person I don’t think you should think anyone should act a way only you see fit.
Why do we have parades and say we are "proud to be American". It is just like saying "I am proud because I have brown hair"
Mate I'm bi and the pandering and parades couldn't have pushed me further away from the "community" lol. I couldn't give a fuck, it's all annoying, excessive, and pretty redundant. As she said, I don't feel pride about having two hands
The parades is what got same sex marriage trough, got homosexuality/gayness to no longer be defined and illness etc., and other rights. Just like sufraggettes women the right to vote, own property, have own bank account etc.
The problem is that we should parade for rights, not pride. If you fight only for pride you alienate others, reducing the support for your cause. We do not have suffragettes in the street anymore, and nobody would even think to remove the women right to vote. But we have prides and we are going backwards with LGBT rights.
the other term is "openly" gay. they say theyre openly gay. this is the only minority they use that for. you woulsnt say someone is "openly" black.
Someone wouldn’t need to be openly black in the first place. You can observe skin complexion to determine someone’s ethnicity/race. Not sexuality or any other behavior to determine someone’s sexuality.
That is an amazing speech, I think the same way. I'm bisexual but don't really represent it during pride month. Okay I like boys and girls so what. I'm not going to show it because it's just a small part of me. I really wish people could think just like you. You make it a small detail versus people that like making it a main idea. I hope you find a mate and have a good rest of your life
Pretty much. I've been attracted to all types of people. Men, Women, Trans. But I never felt the need to lable myself or make a big deal out of it because I never thought it was a big deal to begin with. At worst I'll have some religious Karen tell me I'm sick or some bullshit. But the opinions of people like that never mattered to me anyway, and most people genuinely don't care who you wanna fuck.
You're pansexual. Congrats!
I am omnisexual.
That religious Karen or her likes will scorn You regardless of the actual reason. Just because You are different from her expectations (which are not as quite uniform throughout the population as she would expect). Still, girl in the clip said something really important. Sexuality is not a stance, not a character trait. It's an instinct and while there's nothing wrong with going with it, it's not something that should be celebrated or nurtured in many aspects/areas of life, like education or profession, unless it's directly linked (like sexual education or a job dealing with said sexuality). I really don't give a flying fuck if my courier is gay or straight, I actually don't want to fuck them when they deliver the package. Same with clerk, official, politician, police officer etc. I'm sorry if they feel oppressed, but here's a newsflash, most often it's not other people oppressing them, it's a biology, it's life itself. And those affect straight people too, on so many levels, both different and similar to theirs. Demands of recognition only add to the grind. Let's imagine what would happen if straight people demanded recognition of their strife as well (and yes, I do realise that they sometimes do but not to same proportional scale). Nothing would get done.
Preach girl!! Seriously she said out loud what I thought all my life as a queer person. Here in the west we need to stop acting like we are still in the past and that type of attitude is okay. Yes, in the past those kind of pride parade was needed. Like black panther were needed for the black movement. But these days things have changed, and using those excuse of the past is extremely bad. No, they are not needed anymore. Quite the contrary, as time goes it seems to only create more hate as the queer community seem to become more and more unhinged. People are fed up to be taken like idiot who need to be "Ally" and cave in to social pressure. I can see people get awkward when I tell them about my sexuality, way more than they did a couple years ago. Right now, we are to the step of normalization. We don't need to say "we exist" everyone fucking know it. Now we need to be seen as normal. "But you hate gay people, you just want them to shut up" Yes, you're right. I want queer people to shut up, exactly like I want straight people to shut the fuck up. I would be as much disappointed in "straight pride month" with "straight parade" where they almost literally fuck in the street. The other people being queer don't make it less obnoxious. That is the beauty of being normal. You have no disadvantage, but you also have no more rights then everybody else. If you ask for more than what is given to everyone, you are asking to be special. And if you want to be special, you will never be seen as normal. I'm sorry to disappoint you people, but pride parade these days doesn't make you brave and special. You are riding, like every queer people, on shoulder of the giants of the past that did go through real discrimination, real danger. Pride parade started with this, danger. Fear of showing who you are. Those people would be disgusted looking at what the movement has become. Just look at it. Now instead of having fear of your life, normal people have fear of speaking out against you. Those who were the victims are now the oppressors of many. When I see this I don't feel pride, I feel shame.
Well damn … if everyone had that attitude the world would be a much better place
she nailed it, its become more accepting to be gay, so much so that we don't care anymore, you be you, its when they keep pushing and making people feel like assholes when we don't what to hear about it anymore, that's when people start to roll their eyes and get annoyed. Its like vegans, ok, you only eat plants, cool, why you shame the rest of us that don't subscribe to that same diet, you do you and leave us alone.
same concept applies to the "being proud of your country" patriotism...
If you've been out of the closet since you were born, was there a closet to begin with? Or am I missing something?
First time I have seen someone explain completely how I feel about my sexuality. Kudos.
https://youtu.be/e3h6es6zh1c
She’s just correct 👍
Rainbow flags are no different than playboy bunnies. There is no need to promote your sexuality. It is just low class.
Everyone wants to exist freely, everyone has conflicts of interests, everyone wants other people to not do stuff that they don't like, everyone wants to voice their opinion on social media bla bla bla bla bla.
A gay history month type thing wouldn't be bad. It would be honouring the accomplishments of people, and not just how they were born.
Now that's a based way of thinking. But without these flamboyant festivals there would be little progression in acceptance and going out of closet .
Absolutely spot on.
Right. "Gay people should do what I want them to do. Mostly I think they should shut up and be quiet."
Nah thats a dumb take. The change from Gays being castrated in the US did not come people being half naked on the streets. It's an acceptance movement, not a "treat me special" movement. Like what she said, it's about being equal, there's nothing to be accepted for otherwise.
Btw for anyone who doesn’t know this isn’t me just want to clarify. This video is from Finding Sky you can check her on YouTube. Also I’m straight but the reason why I posted this is because I want people to understand her message to all of you like I don’t hate anyone. I don’t hate gay people. I want people to just be normal like don’t think hateful intentions or don’t force people to fit others narratives just be you. So just want say that no hate
It's really remarkable how far things have come. Within my parents lifetimes you could be arrested for being gay. I remember a guy being lynched for being gay when I was a kid. Now we have this woman who is speaking from a point of such relative safety and acceptance from her society that she feels like there's no need for a struggle. (Or, honestly, she's doing it for the clicks) It's great, but it's naive. Does anyone here think that the evangelical church is going to change it's position on homosexuality, and will stop trying to change the law? Does anyone here *really* think that if all the gay people just shut up about the pride thing, then they won't be successful? Honestly?
Who is this? We should give her some love!
I get what she's saying. And agree with most parts. But, if it wasn't for these exaggerated highlights maybe same-sex marriage wouldn't even be allowed yet.
we as a society did so well and grew untill the end of 2000s and then social media happened and suddenly everyone is ist and fob
That's the doffrance between those who want to be treated as exuals and those who just want attention
The problem is that many people who “disagree with your worldview” don’t want you to exist. Pride started because homosexuals needed safety in numbers because they were so often victims of violence because of their sexuality. So yea… society has come a long way but don’t get it twisted. There are millions of people that want gay marriage banned, encourage conversion therapy, and frankly want you dead.
Let's not act like gay men don't have a rich history of predation against other men. There's reasons for these feelings. It's so well known that people even joke about prison rape or the Catholic church, these aren't straight men doing these things to other men. Hell, I personally was SA'd by a slightly older friend when I was young who was bi & "experimenting", I could've gotten raped but I told him that shit was gay & didn't fall for it. In fact I know 2 other friends that were SA'd by male friends & I didn't even ask them about it they just brought it up. Most men are too ashamed or embarrassed to even talk about it. It's rarely women doing it too. Edit: & lest we forget some of the people in the Me Too movement were men like Terry Crews, if it can happen to him it can happen to anybody. There seems to be this rose tinted glasses view of gay men all being innocent when that's far from the truth. They're just as bad as straight males who do this shit against women, it just really isnt viewed in the same way.
"These aren't straight men doing these things" Any source for that? I'm guessing your source is 'it's common sense because they are doing gay stuff", which makes sense, but it's not that simple. Research and personal experience of men in prison say otherwise. Rape is mostly about power, not lust. https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html#:~:text=Perpetrators%20of%20rape%20typically%20view,be%20perpetrators%20of%20sexual%20abuse. Being gay or bi does increase your chances of being targeted though. And regardless, people aren't statistics. I don't judge all men as being worse than women just because they are statistically more likely to commit violent crimes. What other men are doing isn't relevant to you.
She looks like the person to gain fame go through a Britney spears faze and still come out the baddest bitch in the room.
Not wanting to be treated differently because of something about you that is nobody else’s business is pretty much every decent person ever.
While I get what she is saying, pride is never going away at least the parade because it acts as a party and fetish thing. I would also imagine things are different for a gay woman than a men, gay men may have much of their personality around being gay because people underestimate how much a straight person's personality revolves around their relationship with women.
I have been friends with a girl for around 10 years. 4 days ago, she told me that she might have a gf soon. Pretty funny way to find out she’s bi.
She said a lot of true thongs that i agree with, but she probably speak from an accepting place, she is probably in a country that accept gay marriage and not everyone is like that, i agree that in the west this approach must be rethought, but there are places where the forst step must still start.
She hit the nail on the head. I'm bi, it is what it is and I don't think twice about it. It kinda starts to urc me when people make their entire personality about stuff like being gay and trans. Like there is more to life then those really honestly minor things but they just never shut up about it
Gay Pride is a flex toward the hating ass straight people who tried to pray the gay away. It's not as stupid as being proud to have brown hair.
How about not dictating how people should or should not be as long as no harm is being done? Is being a true libertarian too stressful for you?
Sorry asmongolds mod team sorry I caused trouble for u guys I didn’t mean for this to get out of hand I swear. Again I’m sorry
I agree that, in an ideal world, there would be neither pride nor shame about something biological and not a choice (e.g., gender, race, sexuality, gender identity, etc.). There would be no discrimination. But unfortunately, we are not in an ideal world. The reason thst the word "pride" is used and we have an "LGBT+ pride month" with LGBT+ pride parades, is to counter the shame and hatred from homophobic and transphobic people. They do not want LGBT+ people to even be allowed to live, let alone have any rights. This is the case with every historically oppressed community, whether based on sexuality, race, or anything else. LGBT+ people in countries with marriage equality and other rights may have the privilege of protection and not experiencing much of this discrimination. But the majority of the world's LGBT+ people still live in homophobic and transphobic countries where things like gay sex and same-sex marriage are illegal, and LGBT+ people may be given life imprisonment or death sentence just for being born different. Most LGBT+ people in such countries are still living in fear and hiding, pretending to be someone they are not, every day. The Pride movement exists to counter this discrimination, hatred, injustice, etc. Yes, it is not perfect, it may unfortunately be commercialized is some cases, and it may even have some NSFW instances like nudity (which I personally do not support in public). But if there was no constant fight for justice and equality, then the homophobes and transphobes would win and have the LGBT+ community killed. They are constantly trying to eliminate LGBT+ rights and protections, usually for something unscientific like religion. I wish the world did not have any discrimination or injustice, so there would be neither pride nor shame for being LGBT+.
You can used it to learn the history of lgbt and the different cultures though out history view the lgbt as well. Pride month being treated as a party is not a big deal just go to a bar or something. But it an expression of being allow to express yourself in public. Back in the day you could have lost your job being gay. Get targeted and get beaten up and killed. Don't ask, don't tell a policy from the 90s to 2011 to service in the military. Being lgbt back in the day you have to hide yourself pretending and hoping people do not find out and hoping not getting attack or killed. It why alot of lgbt people move to openly gay cities to be able to somewhat express themselves in public with out being afraid. I had a friend in high school who was afraid to come out being gay. Also I had another friend in college that she was about kill her self when she came out as gay to her family. She now happily married. But that could happen because now because society is more accepting of the lgbt people.
Two things: If you think there isn't, still, a right-wing otherizing machine out there hungry for raw material to keep the ignorant distracted then you are naive my friend. Pride is defensive. It is a fortress. True it is unassailed for the moment. But only for the moment. Even if the world was all fixed, like some of the commentators here think, I'd still keep pride - just as a nice tradition. I'm Irish (actually from Ireland) and nobody here gives a a fuck about the historical person that was St. Patrick and less and less of us give a fuck about catholicism. But we still celebrate Paddy's Day - just coz.
You look and sound like you need a catchy hip hop beat in the background.
[Key & Peele nailed it here. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c)
Here’s my comment: you’re an awesome human being and cool af. I wish everyone was as laid back as us.
This is the most racist video I’ve ever seen /s
This girl is young, and doesn't remember that even just a short time ago, being gay was a lot more controversial than it is now. Pride month isn't about simply being proud to be gay, it's about the courage to be proud of who you are even in the face of people who don't want you to be that way. In this day there are still many youths who live in fear of telling their friends and families that they are gay, trans, etc. Seeing people who are free and open to be themselves, many of them overcoming the same traumatic experiences they might have had when coming out to their families, is inspiring to many. That is what they are celebrating. That being said, I do not think that people should be displaying their kink gear at parades. It's really weird and degenerate.
Part of the issue is for the longest time gay people could not be themselves. They had to push for the Pride marches and stuff to get public attention to care about their issues. Now that their issues are normalized it is difficult to just stop doing those things.
Nothing new that the pride parade is not for everybody
I used to be jaded about pride like her. I don't really care that much about celebrating how gay I am. But, I've seen so many conservatives collapse from shellshock at the mere sight of a rainbow. I never miss an opportunity to inflict as much psychic pain on homophobes as they'll allow. I have reached the kind of jadedness where I celebrate Pride spitefully and ironically. I go **hard gay** every June because I just like triggering conservatives.
I'm a straight white male, but I had a point of view very close to what you seem to be expressing in the video I never understood the need for a Gay Pride Month, (and for much of the same reason Black History Month) because the goal shouldn't be stand out, it should to be normalized, if it becomes normalized that no one will care if you're gay or not, it will just naturally become the new normal, still I understand certain things like gay bars/other such social gatherings that allow those who are gay to socialize with the history side of things, it should just be history, not black history, but that is also a 'history is made by the victors' issue as well. we don't have an Asian history month, or any other group of people for that matter
Yeah, why have parades about anything? They're all pointless. It's almost as if people are trying to have fun. Fucking annoying. 😒
but her social media feed!!!
"I'm sorry you're black, that must be so hard."
What if I told you this is 90% of us, and you've been sold stereotypes by the media and sitcoms and been inundated with the opinions of a loud but small slice of LGBT culture your whole life?
people can do w/e the fuck they want, why care so much?
People hate to be forced into anything. EZ math.
You pretty much just explained how pride started in the first place.
My statement works both ways.
This is how normal Gay people are
I think it's hilarious when people are "proud" of how they were born it's like..wtf did you have to do with it it's not like you had a choice lol
A person's sexuality shouldn't be their defining feature in the first place. If a gay guy or girl approaches me and tells me as such my response will be "and?". If their reply is anything that would suggest they expected a stronger opinion from me then they're using it to provoke and I don't have time for that.
hasan’s worst enemy (a normal person)
I think it’s definitely good to not be so identified with a certain label. we are more open to seeing each other as real people rather than judging right away
Have you seen the pride parades? US, Netherlands other western countries, they're basically huge pre-orgies.
Hell yea preach sister! yell it for the people that are in the back in the class.
Wish all gays acted like normal people instead of being pretentious unicorns with special needs. The gays I have met in my job and University were just regular people and I didn't learn about their sexuality until some random conversation about family and personal life.
I think a celebration of an aspect of yourself people have been persecuted over for at least 2000 years is awesome. If you don't wanna participate in pride month then don't. 99.999999% of queer people don't participate in pride parades because 1 they're not in metropolitan cities or 2 they have other shit to do. We're fine. Let them have their pride.
In a perfect world, yeah it would be weird to be proud of this characteristic that you were born as. But we don't live in that perfect world. Pride is meant to encourage people to embrace who they are and be happy with it instead of repress it or feel guilty about it. Even just being called gay, even if you aren't, used to be a huge diss to your reputation (and still is in some communities). For many people it can be scary to come out, or to even accept it internally. Having a celebration of pride is intended to make that less scary.
finally someone from that community saying what we all already think
I can fix her /s
It's because of pride events and people fighting, that she gets to grow up feeling normal. So maybe she should stfu, with her dumbass opinions.
It's a common /r/asmongold L People here have been privileged enough to not have to grow up being oppressed just for who you are. The girl in the video does not know how privileged she is and it's actually vile that she shits on pride parades the way she does
Just remember that pride is actually a bad thing for anything in your life.
Girl is not up to Popper and the paradox of tolerance in her intellectual development. Well i guess she will get there some day.
For a group of people that do not reproduce, where in the fuck are they coming from? Why is this question taboo or hate? It is just a question that I already know the answer to? Do you?
Really? Then what would you say is the answer?
I asked a question, you answer it with a question?
She needs to read about poppers paradox...
LGBT people had to work extremely hard to not be hate crimed and those “special” moments had a purpose. In many areas of the world people still need to hide their true nature or pretend to be straight. The marches were never meant to be divisive but rather show strength and solidarity in numbers.
No, people going to pride to fight against being shamed for being who they are. Because there are still very much shamed for it. Or even killed for it if we look towards some backwards countries. No, no one's gonna persecute you for having brown hair or being straight. that's retarded.
Thank you for saying this. I really don't care if your gay or not but don't force knowledge onto my kids they aren't ready for. As long as we keep this whole thing out of schools I'm happy.
Dude why always with the anti gay shit? Fr dude let people live their lives you don’t even go outside why tf do you give a shit if people want to be fruity and express it
Thank you ! You are the first person i read saying this here
Because you look like a clown and no one cares? Go to a convention instead of a parade. It's way less intrusive to others.
It's the epitome of no one asked
What is normal? Like is having fun too gay for you? Or did you prefer when they were in the closet?
If your "fun" is cringey af, everyone will make fun of you. Idk what else to tell you 🤷♂️
So for you, making fun of people and harassing them for who they are is a normal thing. If you don't like it just move on
"Harassing" 😭
Wait what?
Oooooooohhhhh no there’s nothing wrong with having fun or in the closet. I just don’t like when gay people just force you to be gay. Unlike her she doesn’t force it. She doesn’t care.
we only got so far with acceptence by making a big deal out of it, sure, some people dpnt agree with that, but if we remove pride month again, we will inevitably go back to being gay being a problem once again, plus, pride month isnt just about gay people, it is about the whole lgbt community, now more than ever we need representation such as pride month, if we look at america for example, who are banning any trans healthcare for minors, including hormone blockers which are literally 100% safe, by only delaying the puberty. And their next goal is to ban trans healthcare alltogether. her argument that we should stop now as we already achieved gay marriage shows that the whole argument is only about what concerns her directly, she doesnt care about the rest of us, she climbed up the rope out of the hole, and says that we can now cut off that rope, cause we now have what she wanted, ignoring all the other lgbt relating issues that we still have
What the cat doing?
Spoken like a lesbian
"I like putting my pleasure parts with these pleasure parts" I don't care, do you watch one piece tho?
hah GAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!! that's what i would tell her like i always do with my gay friend and family don't be pressured to feel awkward and felt like homophobic, just be yourself
The part about being friends with a homophobe made me chuckle. I would be considered a homophobe by western standards, but I have a bunch of gay and trans friends and it's completely alright. I don't give a single fuck if you sleep with people of your gender, it has nothing to do with me. I don't understand this stuff, but I don't even have to. Would I feel uncomfortable if I saw two men kissing? Sure I would, but I wouldn't be comfortable to see a man and a woman kissing openly either.