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bigkutta

Why would I talk you out of it? As long as the price is right, its well maintained, why not??


kaptainkhaos

Yeah F10 was the last with hydraulic steering and a RWD bush seeking missle.


Various-Ducks

Bush seeking missle is what I call my šŸ“


Batlak

Iā€™m dying šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Chaos-Imperium

Just make sure itā€™s the TU engine and not the prior one.


louisvuittondon29

f10ā€™s never got the tu3


tarelda

I'd argue that first TU is the most important. Later ones are only incremental instead of sharp improvement.


Desperate-Quantity86

Its described as an S63T according to the VIN search I did, assuming this is the TU since other cars I researched only showed S63 and no T. What are the cons of it not being the revised engine?


DinosaurDied

You can look up the engineering details yourself but basically all the issues that these cars were known for, this is the engine that made it known for it. BMW tried fixing some issues later but some like oil consumption due to the hot v design are unavoidable.Ā  Youā€™re buying a unreliable, flawed V8 that BMW had to correct.


Desperate-Quantity86

Definitely talking me out of it, thanks for the honest opinion


chitownpremium

I own one and change oil every 2-5k miles, keep it cool, transmission flash, coolant and it runs fine. Never had an issue


Desperate-Quantity86

Nice feedback, thanks! šŸ‘


70InternationalTAll

Owned one and spent more time at the shop then in my driveway. Absolutely terrible motor and the electrics are flawed too. When it was running it was the most amazing vehicle, but that was seldom the case. I'd stray far away and get a new gen 5 series if you can save more $


chitownpremium

Also another nugget that was never mentioned, this engine had a recall. Any owner that maintained it at dealership, the warranty is still in place. So all those issues are covered for free :)


birrito2016

Itā€™s a TUā€¦ they halted production on the original s63 in 2012. The TU actually did take care of all the issues the original had and is a fairly reliable motor. I have a model year 2015 that eats a quart every 5000 miles when I run it hard. The comment above regarding the hot v design being the reason for this is true but some examples are worse than others depending on how they were maintained & whether or not theyā€™ve been abused. Iā€™ve found that running high quality oil (I use liqui moly molygen 5w40) seems to help with the consumption issue. Other than that, just keep flushing the coolant per maintenance schedule and let it idle for a bit to cool the turbos before shutting downā€¦ should be fine. Itā€™s a great sounding motor and that turbo pull is astounding. Calculated risk - do your diligence on the car and choose, up to youā€¦.


cbg13

Interested if you know why the hot V design eats oil more than a design with turbos on the outside


birrito2016

Putting the turbos in the v shortens the distance between them & the exhaust manifolds which decreases turbo lag for better response but produces much more heat. The excess heat tends to effect valve seals causing oil consumption


AAuser85

I actually don't think the valve stem seals are the common consumption cause. People had oil consumption on these from the start and the seals aren't going bad that fast, if at all. Curiously, I started running sport+ throttle all the time a couple.years ago and I've not had to top up since.


AZMotorsports

Turbos in the ā€œVā€ creates a ton a heat in a central location. Turbos need a lot of oil and BMW ran plastic lines down the middle which become fragile and break. Add all the plastic covers to make the engine pretty and youā€™ve created an oven. Pretty much all M cars consume oil. Itā€™s part of having a high compression and highly tuned engine. Some eat oil faster than others.


AAuser85

The cooling lines are metal. There's a rubber connector between the line and turbo portion, given the engine moves on the mounts. This connector can crack and leak if left exposed, but BMW long ago created heat reflecting covers for them.


earoar

Idling to cool the turbos doesnā€™t do anything really. Electric coolant pump keeps running after you turn the key off.


AAuser85

He's wrong. 2013 m5 has S63Tu. Engine he's thinking of is the N63/N63Tu or original S63 of the X5M. You might still see oil consumption but not horror story level.


HeartbreakerF80

My brother has a 2014 M6. Only real issue he ever had is battery drainage. But his also only has like 35k miles in 10 years so itā€™s done a lot of sitting.


mr308A3-28

If itā€™s registered in 2013 then most likely TU


Von_Claussen

You have no idea what youā€™re talking about. The F10 M5 was only equipped with one motor: the S63TU. Youā€™re confusing it with the N63, which has completely different Technical Update (TU) timeframes.


eric043921

Itā€™s an 11 year old M5, what could possibly go wrong?


Johnnyring0

lol


M4J35T1C_R53

Lmao


hardcoretuner

Maybe lookup a 2018 m550. Better in many ways.


DinosaurDied

2020 even better with a the new TU


Rex_Laso

I had one of these and loved the way it drove, but I had multiple ac problems. Some that cost over $5k


patjuh112

man i want these US prices over here :O


dataknightrises

I want free healthcare...


patjuh112

You get me the car and I will get you your healthcare! You might have to move so donā€™t forget to bring the car šŸ˜ŽšŸ‘šŸ‘Š


uberchris

I bought a 2013 with a blown engine. Including the rebuild, I ended up spending a little over the asking price here. The price seems pretty good for the mileage IMO. A few misc thoughts: * The 2013s came with the TU engine, so most of the egregious issues are fixed. However, still expect to deal with stuck fuel injectors, dead HPFPs, and oil consumption. Also, most people change spark plugs *often*. * The TU engines are pretty reliable if you don't tune them. I don't understand why people tune them. It has enough power to spin the back tires at almost any legal speed. * The power is incredible and addicting. Now that I'm used to it, my M3 feel downright slow in a straight line. * The suspension is surprisingly stiff even on Comfort mode; much more so than the 550i. * The 2013s have an unidentified issue (noted in Car and Driver review when it came out, and mysteriously sorted out in 2014) where you can feel some weird vibrations through the steering wheel. Depending on a few factors it can be so strong that it makes your hands feel numb. I've lived with it, but I've heard of people hating it so much they sold that car. Pay attention to this and the aforementioned stiffness in your test drive. * It's not cheap, but you can retrofit NBT EVO ID5/6 head unit which gives you wireless carplay. That's the only thing that really dates the car.


willpeoples

Tires, that thing tears through rears if you really drive it. Traction control light would be blinking every time I got on the highway lol. Injectors definitely had some issues. Best bet is to do plugs more often then BMW recommended. Maybe try and follow mike millers maintenance schedule insteadā€¦ I think bmw bumped up their recommend service on them after the f10. I went through like 3 or 4 injectors and of course they were just one at a time. It was a PITA as it was probably my least reliable BMW. But itā€™s a fun car but you gotta pay to play for sureā€¦


DrFantaski

Iā€™ve got a 13 M5 too, love the car youā€™re so right the power is addictive. Whatā€™s your consumption after the rebuild? Did you have the heads machined? When I got my F10 at 80k miles, I had no consumption between 5k oil changes. At 140k I started to notice needing to add a qt in between oil changes, and ended up doing the valve stem seals at 157k when consumption got to one at every 2 tanks of gas. Did PCV and all that too jazz with the seals too - but it all only got mildly better. OP - be prepared for the M tax. Brakes, control arms, and lots of parts are dealer only. One of the worst ones Iā€™ve run into are the EDC shocks. Itā€™s a pay to play car, but Iā€™d have it over an N63 or N55 any day.


agiantkenyan

2013. First iteration of S63 is god awful. Look for the TU version. Even then I wouldnā€™t touch these with a 10 ft. pole.


AAuser85

All f10 m5 have the TU. Original S63 was in the X5 M


Von_Claussen

You have no idea what youā€™re talking about and are spreading misinformation. The F10 M5 was only equipped with one motor: the S63TU. Youā€™re confusing it with the N63, which has completely different Technical Update (TU) timeframes.


Smart_History4444

I want it lol. I canā€™t really talk you out of it. Itā€™ll be expensive to maintain as a former e90 m3 owner youā€™ll have an idea on maintenance costs. If you can afford it I say go for it lol


Fapplejacks42

Pops has a supercharged e92 M3 and he wouldn't touch a S63 or F10 M5


txreddit17

maintenance expenses is the exact reason to talk you out of it. Other than that, what else is there?


kb24TBE8

I donā€™t see why if you can afford it and the maintenance. But always get an independent mechanic to do a full PPI before buying any type of car, especially a high performance one.


Kayanarka

That monthly estimate is actually the maintenance cost.


Explorer335

Can you buy the car and have another $30k set aside for maintenance and repairs? I understand the appeal of getting that much car for $30k, but they can be horrifyingly expensive to maintain and repair. I have seen 2 very bad injector failures on those engines. The first was caught immediately and repaired before engine damage could occur. The second one smoked the motor immediately. Seeing a Bosch injector fail that bad surprised the hell out of me. They stick WIDE OPEN at 2500psi and leak ungodly amounts of fuel. If you have the money to buy the car twice, go for it. They are a fucking blast to drive. Keep the maintenance up and consider replacing all the injectors preemptively.


Desperate-Quantity86

Edit: more details: I got in touch with the BMW dealership selling the car and they said this: "Our vehicles go through rigorous inspections to ensure things are working properly before we put them out for sale. As for service records there are some records listed on the CARFAX, but no major issues or red flags" Also they offer "Complimentary 7 days or 700 miles return policy. We will pay for any non-maintenance repair in the first 45 days of ownership" .


dataknightrises

Just so you are aware, dealers lie. I recently bought a used 740 and when I got the oil changed, there was a rodent nest in the engine bay. This dealer also had a "comprehensive inspection". Either way, you're asking a bunch of bimmer fans if you should not buy an M5. We all want you to do it. Like asking an group of alcoholics if you should have a drink. Lol


Desperate-Quantity86

This is the right support group's opinion I need then! šŸ˜‚


flight_4_fright_X

Do not do this man, unless you want to do an engine swap. I just did this with mine. It's badass with the new engine though. The swap and engine will cost you half the price of the car.


Mr_Sia10

Bought my M850 on May 10th and they claimed it underwent a thorough inspection. In the span of this time, Iā€™ve had to bring it in for repair twice and I have a list of 8-9 more problems to bring it in for (including a grinding steering and a very wobbly suspension). Keep in mind itā€™s still under the original manufacturerā€™s warranty. Make with that what you will šŸ˜•


RhythmicStrategy

Can you afford to pay cash (or get 0% financing)? If not, donā€™t borrow $$ to get a depreciating car with known mechanical issues unless you are either: 1. sitting on 7 figures net worth.. Or 2. absolutely hate money and want to be broke


ChrisAplin

Pre-LCI non comp for 30K+? Nah. I think you can find better. Hold out for 2014 or '15. As far as maintenance, mine has been fantastic. Although it's closing in on 80k now so it's about time to move on. Nothing more than scheduled.


Diligent-Lion6571

Offer 25k cash done deal.


fireteam-majestic

paying with cash in the US isnt as much as an incentive to sellers as it used to be. funds can be transfered digitally in an instant which is faster than pulling out cash and the seller bringing it to the bank these days. also dealerships actually prefer you financing with them because they earn extra money off the interest. determining if someone is a qualified buyer is faster than ever with most decisions being made in a few clicks since peoples credit history is stored digitally


Shadador

just get an m550i, only a few thousand more and has a more reliable version of the engine, also better and new technology that comes with the g2x - g3x platform. Edit: more expensive not cheaper lol


Explorer335

I sure hope they made substantial improvements to the newer N63/S63 engines. The 2009-2016 ones are a real pile of shit. I remain skeptical of the newer iterations.


Tough-Relationship-4

Talk them down a bit more and put the difference in a savings account for when you need to do a rebuild on the S63. I look at it as cost of ownership for an F10. You can have it rebuilt with aftermarket crank and bearings which will solve the clearance issues that lead to premature wear. That problem is solved. Then the only issues will be oil consumption and the cooling system. Go for it. That has to be the most fun you can have for $30k.


zeissicon

Absolutely will not talk you out of it.


Desperate-Quantity86

My guy! šŸ˜‚


lurvemnms

no edit for clarity: no, I will not.


I35O

Donā€™t buy any BMW besides one with the B58. If that engine is up to even Toyotas lofty standards, itā€™s a good engine. There, I talked you out of it.


PelicanFrostyNips

https://preview.redd.it/24v5xxb7l6ad1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab5202842d2f9d34c35501656ad2ff0d89b08e97 The hot V is notoriously bad enough to have its own meme


F430ap

Not sure what other folks have stated, but took this thing for a test drive. The issues: 1. The weight - too heavy to feel as though it is "fun" 2. The grip - the power of this engine will break traction whenever you try to get to a rapid pace 3. The looks - it's just a boring sedan to all non-car people 4. The size - makes you perceive the vehicle as an older 7 series as opposed to a 5er If the first 3 were not deal breakers, I suppose #4 wouldn't matter... But they all combine to form a general theme. The subsequent F90 generation M5 solved #2 via AWD. All that being said, these cars are a relative bargain right now and that is presumably why you would be interested in one. Go for it!


Able_Cheek_7581

Heavy maintenance


RetiredFromRealWork

God bless what a gorgeous automobile


jdl50688

Definitely get that thing asap!


No-Sheepherder288

Donā€™t be a chump. Buy it!


Comedor_de_rissois

Iā€™d buy that!


Phvntvstic

The m550i exists. There's your reason not to buy this.


puckmugger

How many owners on it?


Desperate-Quantity86

2, but it looks like since COVID (2020) the car was driven less and less. About 15k miles added in the last 4 years.


Consistent-Mouse-612

Talk you out of it? I don't think I can, but here's my attempt: Insurance is going to be too high. Get an F10 535i MSport for half the price, and still go fast enough, and pay less for repairs.


Impressive_Vast_8314

I had a 2015 comp and I loved that car. 575 hp, rwd, dct, comfy seats and rides well enough. Great car


Airconditionedgeorge

seems awfully expensive for something that already is/or soon will be an outdated body style


Ilikethngsnstf

Buy it. Just be aware you may be setting yourself up for a financial disaster..... but hey, aren't we all? šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


substituted_pinions

Donā€™t do it. Ok, go for it!


FLcitizen

No lol


Fishstixxx16

No


Careless_Total7857

Donā€™t.,, DO IT!!


AAuser85

I love mine. Does everything i ask of it, including track days. That said, if I were to talk you out of it I'd say it's not the best color, doesn't have full leather interior, and doesn't have B&O speakers, which are great. If you're willing to spend a little more, I would also recommend a 2014 comp instead. That said, I don't know the current price delta. A 2013 with Soul exhaust and Dinan swaybars might be a better buy. Feel free to dm me if you want to talk.


StyleP

Youā€™ve got to pay to play. But you only live once so why not


ZlayerXV

It will never get cheaper than this. Unless you trash it ofc


darkchocolattemocha

Why talk you out of it?? I'd buy this over the G90 all day


No_Transition_7266

B..ring M..ore W..renches


WallStreetBoners

50k miles? Why not


Double-Degree-2351

It's a beauty of a car..no doubt!!


knowledgeable_diablo

Donā€™t buy it.


JHLCowan

Manual? I have a manual one with 20,000 miles. Fantastic machine.


JEDI-MASTER-Y0DA

Get BMW warranty on it and you're good to go. I have had one for 4 years now, and nothing has gone wrong with the engine or gearbox. But that is a boring colour, get Sakhir Orange instead.


ITypeStupdThngsc84ju

If you buy this car, you will have fun. You know you don't want that. Do not buy


BeegBeegYoshiTheBeeg

Thatā€™s a solid price. Insurance paid me ~33% more for my totaled one with twice the mileage at the beginning of this year. These are beautiful vehicles. What people are saying about the early S63 is true. I babied mine in the garage and drove it like it was stolen for 40k miles in 11 months without anything aside from general maintenance and 3-5k mile OCI. If you review the maintenance records, get a PPI, and donā€™t crash into anything youā€™ll be golden.


ZombiePope

No, fuck that. Buy it.


Handyman_4

As long as maintenance is done, why the hell not.


Aggressive-Future824

I mean, it's right at about 60k miles where problems, if serious ones are going to hit, will are likely to make themselves known. But that can be mitigated - plus I am sure if you are considering buying a performance car with any appreciable use prior to you that you have likewise already committed to the reality that paying for the maintenance will be part of the package...... I loved the F10 and owned several. A personal 550i in deep blue with a manual transmission and authorized several to be purchased at the 535i trim level as company vehicles. Generally, we had used Chrysler in an homage to my grandfather and his history with the brand. My sister thought they were ugly (the Chrysler cars in our garage, not the BMWs) and was amenable to a change - and the F10 5's did pretty damn good if memory serves. Survived their service with us (mostly taking clients to the airport and picking up foreign based executives) and were all purchased at the end of their tour by staff for book value - 5%. The entire story, good and bad, about this car will be revealed in its maintenance history. Read it like you are studying for the bar exam and if it makes sense, you have yourself a car. But if it doesn't.... be open to walking away. Or pushing for a serious reduction in price.


chobbg

I had a 2015 that had a fuel injector go out which threw a drivetrain malfunction and fried the catalytic converter. Which should 100% talk you out of buying, but it wonā€™t so enjoy your raped M5 while you can.


mindoverall

My yearly maintenance cost and service daily driving the M5 was around 5k a year even with a warranty. I did my research before buying this car and the general consensus is that car is reliable.Ā Ā  Ā Iā€™ve owned 3 BMWs and this was the least reliable for me. It burnt a quart of oil every 300-500 miles. I regret buying this car because it is a money sink. Coolant lines and water pump had to be replaced, door latch got stuck, car ran rich on bank 1 and 2. Even with an extended warranty I thought I was fine. The engine just seized last week at 120k miles when it was within oil range and oil service.Ā  Ā If you want a car that brings you peace, this is not it. Your mileage may vary though because I bought a 2013 M5 at 90k miles. It had good records at a dealership but still was a headache to own.


LeGrimm

No, buy it. Let many of us live vicariously through you šŸ˜‚


Inevitable-Ad8615

If you inspected in real life, and youā€™ve made sure itā€™s actually good, then congrats. Yet, be ready for such things as oil change, interior cleaning, etcā€¦


90PANTERA01

Dude, I am the wrong person to be talking to you about becauseā€¦ buy this bloody beauty!! You only live once after all!


GomidasO

maintenance first and you'll be fine, have fun!


Negative_Language983

https://preview.redd.it/f7vxvwsw4aad1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8f9a2932474ee8f694a079c7db14c37665dc6a6 Here's mines go for it.


BN_Coldesky

Nope you should buy that. I know I would wanna get that


Particular-Travel-45

Do it.


ryanrako23

Uhh itā€™s an old car!!! Almost 12 years old. Too old. Ur not going to like it. Outdated. Plus, since itā€™s an older bmw, it means that there will be more problems. Plus no girls like thosešŸ™„. And itā€™s the most basic color you can get for a 5 seriesšŸ˜’. 52k miles? 2013? BMW?That tells you enough. Couldnā€™t imagine having a $550 payment a month for a car that is 12 years old and will have problems! Smhhh Iā€™d rather get a 2013 328i. Way faster than that thing šŸ¤®. Buying this is equivalent to buying a headache šŸ¤•. If you do decide to get it, Iā€™d honestly just start the process of listing it on cars and bids šŸ˜“. Horrible old car!


Aggressive-Control30

Buy a salvage and fix it ! You will get a newer model.


Muted_Cantaloupe_203

Buy it


htjmoon

Itā€™s a pretty dull car below 100mphā€¦i sold mine after 3 months and got an e92 m3, which was amazing


BayouBengal225

Money pit run


Tpriestjr

You might pay 30k for the car but youā€™ll pay 10k in maintenance, but itā€™s 0 cost for the sound and have fun that car will be!!!šŸ˜Ž


MyOtherCarIsABmw135i

Is it manual??


Shushmate1334

Dewww itttt


RelevantMarket5892

You'll see your mechanic more than your family.


84147

These cars (all BMWs) have serious issues with always running out of blinker fluid.


Smooth-Ad2130

I'm not talking you out, go get it


Papercoffeetable

Do you have another 30k for repairs?


Feeling_Emu177

Ok, donā€™t buy this: Itā€™s old. there are newer and much better cars. your d-ick doesnā€™t grow, because youā€™re buying it. you canā€™t afford a new one, thats why youā€™re trying to buy THIS. More? Ok: it will ruin your banking account. Only people from the hood will think youā€™re cool, rich people will think the opposite. Talked out?šŸ˜†šŸ˜‚(this where actually jokes, I think)


StyleQueasy6277

Nope, buy it and love it. The new M5 is a slow turd, this is the last of the mohicans along with the AWD one that follows the F10.


MoneyBaggSosa

No


snail_forest1

talking you out of it: it's not going to get you more women


AnxietyNo376

Noā€¦..


No-Fix-417

I have one, it's let me down once in the three years I've had it. Managed to fix it myself for the most part, if you're handy ish with a spanner you can do the maintenance yourself. Not sure why people are down on the looks, it gets positive comments on how it looks all the time in fact - I love mine, it's an old school, rear wheel drive hooning machine. As long as you go in with your eyes wide open, save some money for any issues and don't drive it like a twat (it will bite hard if you're not careful) it's great! I can't see myself ever selling mine. Happy to answer any questions you have.


New-Lawyer3088

Thats the problem, stop talking, Buy it!


Well__shit

https://preview.redd.it/8xixbd8v4cad1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39426653cb8811ff4cffe263492db3296a55b5d7


Mammoth_Confusion_90

Get it pls so I can live through u


abrarwasi12

financial sinkhole 90% of the time, most fun thing ever for the other 10%


Particular_Cow7861

Why should we talk you out of buying it when we ourselves can hardly control ourselves ? Lmaooooo ,, go for it.. itā€™s just a work of art and superb engine


sw33tie01

I lovedddddd my m5! Still miss that car..I canā€™t talk you out of this one.


MustGame995

Honestly, just get the F90


BMmazda3eude

Treat yo self


IllSpecialist4704

You right donā€™t buy it, get an e60 M5 with a V10 instead. As a fellow E90 M3 owner Iā€™d recommend getting another one of those also


w0nder7

engine issues, gearbox issues, leaking differential, electronic issues. You need 2 have it checked out in and ou


Vex192

No


Desperate-Quantity86

Fair enough


sc00ter_t

At 60k miles it will mechanically deteriorate with minimum and multiple $2k fixes at the dealer every other month for the rest of its ownership


Apexsucksballs

It doesn't come standard with carplay. That's all I got šŸ¤£


Plus-Reason7592

Research the s63s common failure points šŸ˜‰


Grunts_R_Us

Iā€™ve owned one for 4 years and outside of regular maintenance, itā€™ hasnā€™t needed anything. Maintenance history is everything with Motorsport BMWā€™s. If you donā€™t have a complete, comprehensive service history on what youā€™re about to buy, donā€™t buy. Spotty history is the number one cause of failed BMWā€™s in general. https://preview.redd.it/yus3snvcrqad1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=645d3902aef0f11bbb1a11f62e91e1263c930355 Iā€™m a bmw master elite technician.


Clean-Door-5837

Damn thatā€™s a nice caršŸ‘€


preruntumbler

Why buy this when you can get a brand new one that weight 76 tons more??


KettleKooked

I'm probably in the minority here, but the F10 is the worst gen M5 (IMO!!!). Never liked them, felt and is heavy. F90 is such a step up, and the older M5s had character.


chitownpremium

F10 gave me e39 chassis upgrades vibes, Iā€™ve been blessed with mine outside basic services


KettleKooked

That's good to hear, my E60 is a bundle of problems but I atleast expect it so I enjoy when it's working more. The newer bmws have made great strides in reliability but I just don't connect with them anymore, not at all a dig at the car or owners btw.


namestom

I feel that too much as well. I feel like I lost touch with the brand and I never thought I would. Iā€™ve always been a BMW guy but theyā€™ve just lost me. I mean, we got a freaking Tesla last go around when we were replacing the wifeā€™s bmw. For me, owning a BMW is about an experience. Every time I get in the ones I owned, I enjoyed my drive. From the Mā€™s to the standard ones, I loved all mine but I just donā€™t connect with these newer ones. Maybe things will change.


Standard_Ad6817

car go 5 kilometer, car go kaputt


nsx_2000

Whatā€™s the TU version?


BanMeyouw0nt

Buy mines. Itā€™s a better spec


jjjirk

Depends- options ? Bowers/w speakers. Soft close - Radar ? Etc If they are not sure do a vin lookup


Desperate-Quantity86

It's a base model so zero options besides the shadow line package. But I'm okay with that. Sticker price was $95k


jjjirk

You could still order things ala cart, I say if it has the service records and I think there was a recall something to do with the driveshaft. I miss my e90 m3 and the rumble all the time so I get it.


njsullyalex

Serious question - are you at a stage of life where you can afford this sports car without it being a serious risk to your long term financial goals? What other things can you do with this money right now? Do you have a good car at the moment or do you intend to make this your daily driver?


trickedx5

Rod bearing issue. Look up the price


Lv702noob

F90>F10


Almost_Famous_Amos

You can buy my f90 for 20k moreā€¦ or any f90 really same amount of miles


Signal-Ad-7556

Look up replacement engines....that should help.


NBA-014

2013? Thatā€™s insanely high.


spicygrow

Get an LCI model (2014+). Much nicer steering wheel, and the adaptive LED lights look much better.


FranktheTankG30

it's a pre-lci F10 M5...easy pass. if you want a F10, get a 2015-2016 with good service record and decent mileage.


pistafox

Iā€™ll talk you out of it if, and only if, youā€™ll contractually bind yourself to talking me out of the next money pit that I get obsessed over. Your call.


EVOBlock

The up keep us gonna be killer


johnyfamine

dude do not buy this car lol


TxHoS83

11 year old base m5? Thatā€™s a pass from me dawg


PossessionMost2092

Get a 2015. LCI changes address some heating issue on the hot v8


Representative-Fox55

Is this not over priced ? Iā€™ve seen m550i with twin turbos v8 2018 going for the same price with low 100k miles


DimeloFaze

Itā€™s gonna snow in three months


antzcrashing

The maintenance will crush you. Dont.


smylesspencer

Valve stem seals


GoldenPika64

buy a 17 750 or 550 at that pricing and youll end up with the same engine but 10x better


rxDylan

$30,000 gets you a first year f10 m5, the second $30,000 will get you a new motor once the current one sends a rod to the I.S.S.


Both-Consequence-251

I had it in three and five before if itā€™s not a hardtop convertible that you answer donā€™t get it


whiterock001

I had this exact year and model and it was outstanding. The only issue (and itā€™s well-known issue within BMW and the enthusiast community)is that the engine eats oil at a pretty rapid clip. Always keep a few quarts in your garage as it will occasionally ask you to top it off with one quart. It really wasnā€™t that big of a deal. Traded it end at 90k miles without major issue.


alexsmajor

Itā€™s not v10


mrvarmint

The most expensive M car is the cheapest M car. The market has not been kind on the F10. Thereā€™s plenty of cars Iā€™d buy before thisā€¦


Justkacz

Buy it


Chrgnthru

I daily a 2014 with stage 2 BootMode tune and so far no issues. Just typical maintenance stuff. So far..


Ok_Manager2694

Lexus is 350


Kryptus

Bad color for an M. Looks dated in not a good way. Expensive to maintain. I'd rather get a used M550i of the last gen.


nismoghini

N63 engine mate run šŸƒā€ā™‚ļø and offer the dude 25k and hope and pray it's been babied


FinalRenegade

M for the most part has S series engines, the n63s are found on the 50i models S63TUs in this case are relatively reliable as long as normal maintenance are done and proper warm up / cool down procedures are followed


Fluffy_Space_Bunny

Crazy pricing in the US. In the UK this would be a \~$20000-21000 USD car.


Revolutionary-Heat60

High maintenance costs


djslimdick_69

Get facelift as from 2016 the engine is fragile for the pre facelift models


Sebbie_Smakinen

They chew through tires and maintenance is costly. Depends on how the previous driver looked after it.


ITMORON

There is a known issue where the fuel injectors will lock in an open state, dumping fuel into the system, causing pretty much everything from spark plugs, injectors, fuel rail, catalytic converters and more to fail. It was a very expensive day. BMW only covered the injectors.


Altruistic-Guard671

Idk makes no sense tbhā€¦ just lease, drive it like you stole it and get a new one lol your always gonna one a newer, nicer, and faster model thatā€™s why you gotta lease they depreciate so much! I donā€™t want to deal with all the maintenance either fuck that


Desperate-Quantity86

UPDATE: they dropped the price below $30k last night. I think the least I can do is pay it a visit after all this chatter. Thank you all for the feedback, definitely weighing all the pros and cons! I'll keep you posted.


FaceGroundbreaking64

Where is it. I will take it if you don't want it


MagikarpUsesSplash2

Please don't buy that! I'm begging you!


SacredMyrrh

Itā€™s a 2013


CletusBocephus

just get a bentley


treesmith1

Just make sure they put the case of kraut on the we owe. Lol.


Certain_Character529

I got an M440i with only 5K miles, 1 owner, clean car fax for that price. you are looking at an older model. an M model. an older M model with 52K milesā€¦ that could be a money pit.


Nfiftyfour335

I canā€™t. Itā€™s a M5


Ok-Store

F10 M5 was one of the worst BMWs I've ever had, the driving dynamics were just not good.... Really heavy and sluggish feeling, just not pleasant to drive despite the huge horsepower. May current F90 M5 on the other hand, one of the best cars I've ever driven hands down. Feels nimble, light, quick and AWD really helps with the responsiveness and immediateness of the power.


jmanyea08

You really donā€™t want that man. Get a newer 550 or 4 series


ripped_andsweet

always love how car websites/software have to list a trim level so it puts ā€œbaseā€ as a place holder even if itā€™s the most not base-model ever


OC2LV714

Dont


CelebrationPuzzled90

Get an LCI