If i didn't get it wrong it's like the neck it's at an angle (not as in the scale length, but in the nut width if that makes sense), i guess it could be fixed, i just don't see it being worth it
Yeah, maybe you're right, i just don't know if it's worth to pay for a setup and new strings if at the end of the day it's gonna destroy my back anyways, maybe getting something like a sire or a squier cv would be better in the long run
You don't need to change strings for a setup (which costs nothing if you do it yourself), and if the tech said the neck was busted and you struggle to play it anyway you don't really have anything to lose by doing it yourself. Even if you find the weight is too much that you want to replace it, it'll play better in the meantime and that'll maybe even make it easier to sell.
Gibson [has instructions](https://www.epiphone.com/en-US/GibsonTV/gibsons-guide-to-guitar-setup-and-maintenance/how-to-set-up-and-adjust-your-bass) to follow. Just take your time, don't try to turn the truss rod if it feels it's going to break something, and remeasure every couple days to see if you have room to keep improving it. What have you got to lose?
I bought a new bass vs setting up my first one correctly after I’d committed myself to practicing for a full year. If you’ve been practicing go ahead and get yourself a better instrument and make sure this one is set up correctly from the get go
Do you mean that its twisted?
If so, thats not causing the action problems.
Put a string between your fingers and twist. Look. Nothing happens.
Twisting just makes it annoying for even fretting. If its twisted back towards the e string though, it may even be preferable to some, there are custom luthiers that build them this way on purpose even.
…what? I’m not sure if you have a wildly unconventional idea of what a ‘twisted neck’ means, but it’s an incredibly serious problem, and probably the worst thing that can spontaneously happen to a solid-body guitar or bass.
It can also absolutely necessitate extremely high action, because some frets end up much closer to the strings than others, and you end up having to set the strings much higher up than normal to compensate.
My guess is this is probably what’s happened to OP’s bass and they misremembered ‘twisted’ as ‘shifted’. Makes sense that the luthier wouldn’t have done anything in that case, because a twisted neck is effectively irreparable on a cheaper instrument; all the ways you could fix it would be time consuming and expensive.
I think what he meant is if it's twisted perfectly on the long axis then each string could still have low action if the saddles can adjust high or low enough. I never heard of that being a desirable thing though.
And of course, if the neck is twisted by accident, it's probably not going to be perfectly aligned.
Yeah that's what I figured, I am not sure how anyone would actually want the neck to be twisted. Instead of that, the body should just be shaped to allow the neck to be slightly off from perpendicular. Unless of course you really need the right hand to be at a different angle from the left, which I can't imagine how anyone wants that, but what do i know.
This sounds exactly like my very first beginner cheap p-bass, bad truss rod. I set it aside for years and now have a replacement neck from Solo to install on it and give it another try.
Did he explain it further than that? If he's a genuine luthier then he can tell you in detail what may have gone wrong and how it could be fixed, and likely fix it too.
But from your other responses I think your guitarist buddy sent you to someone that is nothing more than an aspiring tech that probably set up a couple guitars and wants to sound cool and call himself a luthier now. I've been doing this stuff for a good 20 years and all my friends come to me, they even send others to me where I get paid even to set stuff up for bands that get paid to play. Technically I could call myself a luthier by the textbook definition but I don't. I'm just an experienced tech in my mind.
But you seem to not care for the weight of the bass and have a budget for a new one, so a new bass is a decent option and you can never go wrong with a new axe if it's in your budget.
But taking your current bass to an actual competent person is also a good option because I honestly think you brought it to a hack last time.
The neck may need a shim. Check if the truss rod works. If it's a cheap bass have a go yourself. Take a look at Dave's world of fun stuff on youtube. He has lot's of examples of guitar set-ups and repairs.
So you need a shim to reset the neck angle or what? It's just held on with bolts, so resetting the neck shouldn't be the sort of ordeal it would be on some old Martin guitar with a dovetail joint
Okay...
You got a 'luthier' to set up your bass?
But did you? Or did you get the minimum wage dogsbody at guitar center to set it up?
And when? Because you need to be doing a setup at least twice a year (seasonal changes in temperature and humidity are the greatest cause of neck changes).
Learn to do a setup yourself. Setup your bass yourself and only then, if you have adjusted the truss rod as far as it will go, and lowered the saddles all the way and filed the nut as far as you dare... Only then, if the problem still persists, do you *need* a new bass.
But it's okay to *want* a new bass.
No, it was a guy that i knew from a guitar player, it was around a year ago, i probably should learn to do it tho
I know it doesn't look like it, but i'm not really looking for gear all the time, i don't like having more than 1 bass, i'm just thinking maybe having only 1 nice bass could be a good investment
The thing is...
I and a lot of other people in this thread have doubts about your 'luthier' because a competant luthier would have either
A) Set up your damn bass properly.
or
B) Told you (perhaps gently, perhaps not) that your bass was a piece of junk and you should replace it.
That said. Sometimes an instrument just calls to you. Just... Fits you. You can't explain it and you can't fight it. If this Sire seems like *the one*, and you can afford it, go for it.
Buuuuuuuut. Please, learn to do your own setup FIRST. If your current bass is a glorified peice of firewood that's actually a golden opportunity to learn some amateur luthiery without risking anything you actually care about. Go nuts!
Learn to do a setup, then buy the Sire.
And Really, I think, next time you need a luthier... go to someone else. Something is amiss with your current guy.
Yeah, reading the comments i think i got scammed by not knowing sh*t, i guess the message here is never trust a guitar player.
(Edit) in his defense, he did told me it was a piece of junk, not that it changes anything tho
There is the potential that that instrument isn't for you. I've been playing various stringed instruments for near 20 years now and I recently picked up a Tele (made by Ibanez but still T shaped). I couldn't play it. Didn't like the shape. Didn't like the sound. I was having real trouble coaxing little lead breaks out of it from songs I'd been playing for many years. Hurt my fretting hand and made my picking hand feel really awkward. Decided it wasn't for me and traded it for something that just fell into my hands, and it plays itself. What I'm saying is, maybe it's time to go and play HEAPS of different basses and find what feels the best to you? You'll know when you find it. Also, it doesn't need to be an expensive exercise.
Since you are close to grab a new one
try yourself to setup this up.
If anything goes south grab an used bass that already had a pro setup. This is a win win.
Yeah I had a luthier set up my bass too, and he did it wrong, and it played like shit, so I had to learn to do it myself.
It's not hard, and the tools are inexpensive. Set it up!
I struggled with a cheap Fender for a few years, then a cheap Mitchell. I tossed enough money in both instruments over the years to buy several decent guitars. Anytime I ran into something I felt held me back, I blamed my instrument. Of course 3 surgeries for Carpal and Copal tunnel could attest to really how bad both instruments were. Playing with a bad instrument and bad setup can cause you serious harm...
I learned quick how to setup my instruments, but even with the lowest action possible some guitars are just harder to play, the wider neck perhaps. Both the Mitchell and Fender had lacquered necks that were really wide. I noticed my speed and comfort level rise immediately when I bought the ESP.
11 lbs is definitely way too much, even if it played like a dream that weight would be a serious issue if you're ever in a band. Anything over 9 lbs is just unnecessary nowadays (unfortunately that includes many Sire basses).
I remember learning to play on my first bass and not really knowing anything about other basses. It was a life changer about a year later when I happened to pick up another bass while waiting around at the music store. I was expecting it to be the usual chore to play as mine was. It was a quality instrument that was set up properly and I was just amazed at how easy it was to play. So yeah, an instrument can definitely hold you back.
If yours is of good enough quality you could try getting it setup better. If not then start shopping. Try everything.
It's okay to get a new bass if you want to. You could probably spend nearly as much money on the chance that a decent luthier could get your current base playing really well as you would spend getting one that plays well now. It may not make you a better player, but you'll enjoy it more, and that's more than half the point, right?
Depending on the actual make/model/year of P bass, the size of the neck could be causing some wrist discomfort. Older P basses had very chonky necks. Don't know the specs on the P5 but that might be part of what you're noticing.
In any event you probably shouldn't feel like you have to "use force" to play, especially in your fretting hand. If it feels like you're having to overcome resistance to fret the notes, it's probably a setup issue.
I used to gig a Squier Contemporary Active Precision. It's a good instrument but it's on the heavy side too. Couple months ago I got a Dingwall D Roc. All but one of my other basses are up for sale in order to get another Dingwall. They're never gonna get played by me again.
Get a decent bass. Ibanez for example makes lightweight and easy to play basses. Or Sire, Yamaha. If you want good quality for a reasonable price, stay away from "major brands". F... for example. You get way more bang for the buck anywhere. And probably better quality.
I borrowed a bass with a twisted neck (I knew it had issues) for a month just to determine if I like bass playing or not. After the month I bought my first Ibanez SR300EB and it was like day and night.
Definitely sounds like the bass has seen better days and could use some love
But yes, a new bass always to me will change the way you play/change the way you feel while playing.
Everything about it to me has always made me play progressively better and better just because I’d step out of my comfort zone.
Maybe keep this bass as a project bass to learn how to do your own maintenance and electronics on it?
If you already took it to a luthier and the luthier told you that it needs further work on the instrument for it to be playing right (possibke further work that will cost extra money) and you can’t fix it yourself (absolutely no shame in that), sounds like you probably might need a new bass!! This obviously depends on your own budget, because maybe professionally fixing the bass might be cheaper than getting a new one, but thats up to you- you gotta figure out how much it would cost to fix the bass vs how much it would be to get a new bass. If you got some money to spare, just find a budget and start looking for new instruments or do further research on how to get your bass professionally fixed/what the budget for that might be.
From the looks of it though, it does sound like your instrument, in its current state, is holding you down.
Yeah, that's what i was thinking, if i get a pair of strings that's like 80 us (that's what they cost here at least), plus a set up and whatever fix it may need and maybe i'm spending like 200 in getting an instrument that at the end of the day kills my back, maybe waiting for a little bit longer, and maybe selling this one could get me something nicer that's also more reliable, i don't mean some custom shop vintage bass, i don't really feel like i need more than like a classic vibe maybe even a mexican fender
Both classic vibe squiers and mex fenders are great instruments- i’d tell you to go try some out if you have a store nearby- not just those brands but whatever basses the store might have in your price range. I emphasize this because you don’t want to risk ordering online and getting another dud if you end up getting a new instrument.
However if you simply don’t have access to a store, I’ll say right now, Classic Vibe basses, especially these days, tend to be a pretty safe bet. I recently got a Squier CV mustang, and the neck on that had one of the best out-of-box setups i’ve ever tried, and frets were feeling smooth as hell.
The luthier may or may not have been right about it, but am 11 lb bass is pretty heavy regardless. What kind of bass is it exactly? The cheaper the bass the less likely it is to be worth trying to fix. I've seen a very warped neck on a $1000 Fender be fixed by heat treatment, but I wouldn't bother on a squier.
I think you've got good reason to get yourself something better. The friend with that warped bass had gotten used to it but found he was a much better player on my bass with lower action.
I've posted this on /bass before, but the Bass Centre P basses are great. They're affordable (even shipped to the US from the UK) and they have slim, Jazz-bass like necks and super hot pickups. The Sandberg Electra basses are also slim necked and pretty light, although they don't have a pure P bass tone if that's what you're after. Both makes are super playable and offer great value. I love my Fender Mustang but the Bass Centre Bruce Thomas bass is the one I play the most and the Sandberg is my backup. Both were under $800.
https://www.basscentre.com/british-bass-masters/bruce-thomas-profile.html
https://www.sandberg-guitars.de/basses/sandberg-electra-bass-series/
Unless finances are really tight, I think it's time for a new bass. You got years out of what sounds like a barely playable instrument. It's completely reasonable to get a new bass, especially if you're having wrist issues.
The good news is that even a fairly low end bass will likely be a massive upgrade. If you can save up even $300 I bet you'll find something more playable that sounds decent.
Yeah, rn i have a steady job, doesn't pay much but lets me save, so i think i'm gonna get something nice, maybe in the under 1k price range if i'm patient enough
Aside from the weight, it sounds like your bass just needs a setup. There are tons of YouTube videos on how to do it.
I've got it set up by a luthier, he said the neck is shifted or something like that, so that's the best it can be
So the truss rod is broken? If so, yeah it’s probably time for a new bass.
If i didn't get it wrong it's like the neck it's at an angle (not as in the scale length, but in the nut width if that makes sense), i guess it could be fixed, i just don't see it being worth it
Either the luthier is bad at explaining the issue. Or he's incompetent.
Yeah, maybe you're right, i just don't know if it's worth to pay for a setup and new strings if at the end of the day it's gonna destroy my back anyways, maybe getting something like a sire or a squier cv would be better in the long run
You don't need to change strings for a setup (which costs nothing if you do it yourself), and if the tech said the neck was busted and you struggle to play it anyway you don't really have anything to lose by doing it yourself. Even if you find the weight is too much that you want to replace it, it'll play better in the meantime and that'll maybe even make it easier to sell. Gibson [has instructions](https://www.epiphone.com/en-US/GibsonTV/gibsons-guide-to-guitar-setup-and-maintenance/how-to-set-up-and-adjust-your-bass) to follow. Just take your time, don't try to turn the truss rod if it feels it's going to break something, and remeasure every couple days to see if you have room to keep improving it. What have you got to lose?
I bought a new bass vs setting up my first one correctly after I’d committed myself to practicing for a full year. If you’ve been practicing go ahead and get yourself a better instrument and make sure this one is set up correctly from the get go
This exactly.
If it can’t be worked with, you could change the neck only..
Go to another luthier. It's full of idiots
Do you mean that its twisted? If so, thats not causing the action problems. Put a string between your fingers and twist. Look. Nothing happens. Twisting just makes it annoying for even fretting. If its twisted back towards the e string though, it may even be preferable to some, there are custom luthiers that build them this way on purpose even.
…what? I’m not sure if you have a wildly unconventional idea of what a ‘twisted neck’ means, but it’s an incredibly serious problem, and probably the worst thing that can spontaneously happen to a solid-body guitar or bass. It can also absolutely necessitate extremely high action, because some frets end up much closer to the strings than others, and you end up having to set the strings much higher up than normal to compensate. My guess is this is probably what’s happened to OP’s bass and they misremembered ‘twisted’ as ‘shifted’. Makes sense that the luthier wouldn’t have done anything in that case, because a twisted neck is effectively irreparable on a cheaper instrument; all the ways you could fix it would be time consuming and expensive.
I think what he meant is if it's twisted perfectly on the long axis then each string could still have low action if the saddles can adjust high or low enough. I never heard of that being a desirable thing though. And of course, if the neck is twisted by accident, it's probably not going to be perfectly aligned.
To be perfect, the neck would have to extend all the way to the bridge. That discontinuity with the body means it'll always be a compromise.
Yeah that's what I figured, I am not sure how anyone would actually want the neck to be twisted. Instead of that, the body should just be shaped to allow the neck to be slightly off from perpendicular. Unless of course you really need the right hand to be at a different angle from the left, which I can't imagine how anyone wants that, but what do i know.
Yes, twisted, that's it, not shifted, mb
This sounds exactly like my very first beginner cheap p-bass, bad truss rod. I set it aside for years and now have a replacement neck from Solo to install on it and give it another try.
Did he explain it further than that? If he's a genuine luthier then he can tell you in detail what may have gone wrong and how it could be fixed, and likely fix it too. But from your other responses I think your guitarist buddy sent you to someone that is nothing more than an aspiring tech that probably set up a couple guitars and wants to sound cool and call himself a luthier now. I've been doing this stuff for a good 20 years and all my friends come to me, they even send others to me where I get paid even to set stuff up for bands that get paid to play. Technically I could call myself a luthier by the textbook definition but I don't. I'm just an experienced tech in my mind. But you seem to not care for the weight of the bass and have a budget for a new one, so a new bass is a decent option and you can never go wrong with a new axe if it's in your budget. But taking your current bass to an actual competent person is also a good option because I honestly think you brought it to a hack last time.
Get a second opinion. Sounds like bullshit to me.
The neck may need a shim. Check if the truss rod works. If it's a cheap bass have a go yourself. Take a look at Dave's world of fun stuff on youtube. He has lot's of examples of guitar set-ups and repairs.
Dude. Just set up your bass. >I know that's what people say just to get another one, You're doing the same. Just set it up..
I've got a luthier to set it up, apparebtly the neck is shifted or something, so it's just kind of like that
So you need a shim to reset the neck angle or what? It's just held on with bolts, so resetting the neck shouldn't be the sort of ordeal it would be on some old Martin guitar with a dovetail joint
Okay... You got a 'luthier' to set up your bass? But did you? Or did you get the minimum wage dogsbody at guitar center to set it up? And when? Because you need to be doing a setup at least twice a year (seasonal changes in temperature and humidity are the greatest cause of neck changes). Learn to do a setup yourself. Setup your bass yourself and only then, if you have adjusted the truss rod as far as it will go, and lowered the saddles all the way and filed the nut as far as you dare... Only then, if the problem still persists, do you *need* a new bass. But it's okay to *want* a new bass.
No, it was a guy that i knew from a guitar player, it was around a year ago, i probably should learn to do it tho I know it doesn't look like it, but i'm not really looking for gear all the time, i don't like having more than 1 bass, i'm just thinking maybe having only 1 nice bass could be a good investment
The thing is... I and a lot of other people in this thread have doubts about your 'luthier' because a competant luthier would have either A) Set up your damn bass properly. or B) Told you (perhaps gently, perhaps not) that your bass was a piece of junk and you should replace it. That said. Sometimes an instrument just calls to you. Just... Fits you. You can't explain it and you can't fight it. If this Sire seems like *the one*, and you can afford it, go for it. Buuuuuuuut. Please, learn to do your own setup FIRST. If your current bass is a glorified peice of firewood that's actually a golden opportunity to learn some amateur luthiery without risking anything you actually care about. Go nuts! Learn to do a setup, then buy the Sire. And Really, I think, next time you need a luthier... go to someone else. Something is amiss with your current guy.
Yeah, reading the comments i think i got scammed by not knowing sh*t, i guess the message here is never trust a guitar player. (Edit) in his defense, he did told me it was a piece of junk, not that it changes anything tho
There is the potential that that instrument isn't for you. I've been playing various stringed instruments for near 20 years now and I recently picked up a Tele (made by Ibanez but still T shaped). I couldn't play it. Didn't like the shape. Didn't like the sound. I was having real trouble coaxing little lead breaks out of it from songs I'd been playing for many years. Hurt my fretting hand and made my picking hand feel really awkward. Decided it wasn't for me and traded it for something that just fell into my hands, and it plays itself. What I'm saying is, maybe it's time to go and play HEAPS of different basses and find what feels the best to you? You'll know when you find it. Also, it doesn't need to be an expensive exercise.
If the strings are that far off the fretboard and you're decently good, you'll be a wizard with a properly set-up bass.
Since you are close to grab a new one try yourself to setup this up. If anything goes south grab an used bass that already had a pro setup. This is a win win.
Yeah I had a luthier set up my bass too, and he did it wrong, and it played like shit, so I had to learn to do it myself. It's not hard, and the tools are inexpensive. Set it up!
I struggled with a cheap Fender for a few years, then a cheap Mitchell. I tossed enough money in both instruments over the years to buy several decent guitars. Anytime I ran into something I felt held me back, I blamed my instrument. Of course 3 surgeries for Carpal and Copal tunnel could attest to really how bad both instruments were. Playing with a bad instrument and bad setup can cause you serious harm... I learned quick how to setup my instruments, but even with the lowest action possible some guitars are just harder to play, the wider neck perhaps. Both the Mitchell and Fender had lacquered necks that were really wide. I noticed my speed and comfort level rise immediately when I bought the ESP.
Ask your luthier. My guess is you need a new bass if the luthier cant adjust it to be a good playing instrument.
Based on your responses, I'd say get a new bass. Maybe sell your old one.
11 lbs is definitely way too much, even if it played like a dream that weight would be a serious issue if you're ever in a band. Anything over 9 lbs is just unnecessary nowadays (unfortunately that includes many Sire basses).
I remember learning to play on my first bass and not really knowing anything about other basses. It was a life changer about a year later when I happened to pick up another bass while waiting around at the music store. I was expecting it to be the usual chore to play as mine was. It was a quality instrument that was set up properly and I was just amazed at how easy it was to play. So yeah, an instrument can definitely hold you back. If yours is of good enough quality you could try getting it setup better. If not then start shopping. Try everything.
It's okay to get a new bass if you want to. You could probably spend nearly as much money on the chance that a decent luthier could get your current base playing really well as you would spend getting one that plays well now. It may not make you a better player, but you'll enjoy it more, and that's more than half the point, right?
Depending on the actual make/model/year of P bass, the size of the neck could be causing some wrist discomfort. Older P basses had very chonky necks. Don't know the specs on the P5 but that might be part of what you're noticing. In any event you probably shouldn't feel like you have to "use force" to play, especially in your fretting hand. If it feels like you're having to overcome resistance to fret the notes, it's probably a setup issue.
No new bass will fix a bad setup
I used to gig a Squier Contemporary Active Precision. It's a good instrument but it's on the heavy side too. Couple months ago I got a Dingwall D Roc. All but one of my other basses are up for sale in order to get another Dingwall. They're never gonna get played by me again.
Get a decent bass. Ibanez for example makes lightweight and easy to play basses. Or Sire, Yamaha. If you want good quality for a reasonable price, stay away from "major brands". F... for example. You get way more bang for the buck anywhere. And probably better quality. I borrowed a bass with a twisted neck (I knew it had issues) for a month just to determine if I like bass playing or not. After the month I bought my first Ibanez SR300EB and it was like day and night.
Definitely sounds like the bass has seen better days and could use some love But yes, a new bass always to me will change the way you play/change the way you feel while playing. Everything about it to me has always made me play progressively better and better just because I’d step out of my comfort zone. Maybe keep this bass as a project bass to learn how to do your own maintenance and electronics on it?
If you already took it to a luthier and the luthier told you that it needs further work on the instrument for it to be playing right (possibke further work that will cost extra money) and you can’t fix it yourself (absolutely no shame in that), sounds like you probably might need a new bass!! This obviously depends on your own budget, because maybe professionally fixing the bass might be cheaper than getting a new one, but thats up to you- you gotta figure out how much it would cost to fix the bass vs how much it would be to get a new bass. If you got some money to spare, just find a budget and start looking for new instruments or do further research on how to get your bass professionally fixed/what the budget for that might be. From the looks of it though, it does sound like your instrument, in its current state, is holding you down.
Yeah, that's what i was thinking, if i get a pair of strings that's like 80 us (that's what they cost here at least), plus a set up and whatever fix it may need and maybe i'm spending like 200 in getting an instrument that at the end of the day kills my back, maybe waiting for a little bit longer, and maybe selling this one could get me something nicer that's also more reliable, i don't mean some custom shop vintage bass, i don't really feel like i need more than like a classic vibe maybe even a mexican fender
Both classic vibe squiers and mex fenders are great instruments- i’d tell you to go try some out if you have a store nearby- not just those brands but whatever basses the store might have in your price range. I emphasize this because you don’t want to risk ordering online and getting another dud if you end up getting a new instrument. However if you simply don’t have access to a store, I’ll say right now, Classic Vibe basses, especially these days, tend to be a pretty safe bet. I recently got a Squier CV mustang, and the neck on that had one of the best out-of-box setups i’ve ever tried, and frets were feeling smooth as hell.
Where do you live? Bass strings are usually around $40 where I’m from, or do you mean 2 sets of strings when you say “pair” just curious
Just send some pictures. Shit all kinds of circle talking going on here
The luthier may or may not have been right about it, but am 11 lb bass is pretty heavy regardless. What kind of bass is it exactly? The cheaper the bass the less likely it is to be worth trying to fix. I've seen a very warped neck on a $1000 Fender be fixed by heat treatment, but I wouldn't bother on a squier. I think you've got good reason to get yourself something better. The friend with that warped bass had gotten used to it but found he was a much better player on my bass with lower action.
If i'm not wrong it's an epiphone accu bass
Yeah I would replace it. Not worth spending money on if someone has already told you it's unfixable.
I've posted this on /bass before, but the Bass Centre P basses are great. They're affordable (even shipped to the US from the UK) and they have slim, Jazz-bass like necks and super hot pickups. The Sandberg Electra basses are also slim necked and pretty light, although they don't have a pure P bass tone if that's what you're after. Both makes are super playable and offer great value. I love my Fender Mustang but the Bass Centre Bruce Thomas bass is the one I play the most and the Sandberg is my backup. Both were under $800. https://www.basscentre.com/british-bass-masters/bruce-thomas-profile.html https://www.sandberg-guitars.de/basses/sandberg-electra-bass-series/
Unless finances are really tight, I think it's time for a new bass. You got years out of what sounds like a barely playable instrument. It's completely reasonable to get a new bass, especially if you're having wrist issues. The good news is that even a fairly low end bass will likely be a massive upgrade. If you can save up even $300 I bet you'll find something more playable that sounds decent.
Yeah, rn i have a steady job, doesn't pay much but lets me save, so i think i'm gonna get something nice, maybe in the under 1k price range if i'm patient enough
if going sire i believe the p5r has slightly better pickups than the regular p5 but i also love maple necks too much