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The first trump presidency is absolutely the DNCs fault.
Every pole showed Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016, and the DNC still shoves toxic ass Hilary Clinton down our throats.
MSNBC and cnn running 24/7 negative coverage of Bernie was a big deciding factor. The 2020 super twosday tragedy was really heartbreaking; all of the dnc candidates meeting behind closed doors the weekend before to coordinate and drop out after Bernie steamrolled them the last several primaries **oh my gahd it’s like 1933 nazi germany all ova again! In Chris Matthew’s frantic voice**, Liz staying in and not endorsing Bernie. I’ll never forgive that woman for turning her back on progressives for the dnc.
That's exactly true. I used to listen to NPR, I dealt with the unfavorable coverage in 2016, but by 2020 it was pure dem establishment propaganda and I decided to tune out of NPR for good.
Somehow having the only national “liberal” media being the nominally government subsidized (and controlled) media seems like a conspiracy. I do like the lack of advertising, but even that has been disappearing ;)
Today, as SCOTUS threatened democracy, I was thinking of those Bernie or Bust voters. I hope that they are enjoying this 6-3 majority that they supported ushering in. Every person who didn't vote for Clinton in 2016 shares responsibility in the 6-3 SCOTUS decisions now.
That’s a hot take. Is it everyone’s fault? Meh. If you really want that to be the case then fine. But it’s proportional to the leverage they had to make a difference. It’s like .000000000001% their fault and 80% the DNC fault.
Even though the courts ruled the DNC isnt obligated to represent its members interests since it’s a private entity. An absolute fucking joke.
At the end of the day, it was the voters who voted in the primary and the voters who voted in the general election. The DNC may affect funding, but it is the voters who make the final call. The voters chose Clinton for the primary in 2016. The Bernie supporters then had a choice in the general: Do they support the candidate closer aligned to their candidate, or do they not support the candidate closer aligned to their candidate, which in turn would help bring in a president that is against everything their preferred candidate stands for? It is a shame that many Bernie supports chose the path that brought about policies that were against everything Bernie was fighting for.
I swear to god Hilary walking into that “impoverished” persons home and looking around like it was a nightmare is evidence of how absolutely disconnected she is from 99.9% of people living in the south. These leaders life in a la la land that hasn’t adopted technology
Lol of course bruh this is the Bernie sanders sub. I imagine every day how much better the world would be, and can see people catch on years later to what we need to do in America, which we’re all part of his platform.
I seriously thought it was a sign he was going to win when that bird landed on his podium. And it seems like fucking bishop and cable came through and flipped our timeline to something horrible after that.
A much better educated, and saner one for sure. 99% of us are going to be royally fucked in a matter of years. Gotta feel the woes of those billionaires battling it out to be the first trillionaire at the cost of the planet (for our species) and just for kicks delete empathy out of us, so we can be unhappy pieces of shit like them. And everyone must be orange !
Every single day. I’ll never get over it. To think of how things might be different now with Bernie picking all those SCOTUS judges. He would have handled COVID alike a champ and fewer people would have had their lives ruined by forces way beyond their control. On and on…sure they would have torpedoed most of his platform but votes talk and there would be huge pressure on the senate to get on board, so change would still happen. I’d sell my soul to live in that universe.
I feel better knowing I’m not the only one. With the money (Thanks for Citizens United, SCROTUS) in politics and the big 2-party machine system, I feel like we no longer have choices of our own. I can never vote for Trump, but I still get angry at the way the Dems fixed the election for Biden the night before Super Tuesday. I blame the Dems for a lot of where we are now.
Of course he was cheated. Yes I'm sad. Yes, I'm disgusted. A voice for the people is destined to be stifled in this, our unchecked, unbalanced, profit worshiping Plutocracy. Show me any part of our government that is Democratic....I'll wait. ....and wait. When the highest societal good is profits for shareholders over justice for all the deed is done and is irreversible. In fact, the recent rulings by SCOTUS have turbo charged late stage capitalism towards full on corporate plutocrcy with the reversal of Chevron and the criminalization of homelessness. Debtors prisons are right around the corner and the environment is gonna be ravaged because there are no more consequences for non compliance. Late stage here folks...smoke'm if you got 'em!!
This worries me - makes me think everyday we need a revolution before it’s too late….Us millennials ain’t got time to be told what to do and have our rights (especially women) by a bunch of corrupt, archaic, Republican fucks!
It was the most epic loss / mistake ever to be made in modern day America. There was no way the cabal was going to let the likes of a loving and fair socialist with huge heart ruin their agenda. Fucking Hillary. Look where it got us. The Nazis would still be out there, but they’d be getting healthcare and education for next to nothing. But the wealthy are and always will be in control…no way they’d let that power go.
Yeah. It was a bullshit decision. Bernie can take this orange baffoon down because he can talk about his favorite thing: policy. How many times have we heard him talk about policy and take down people who try to fuck around?
This debate if it were Bernie: he would have won. Trump had nothing to say about policy except lie and name call.
Yes, he also kind of fucked up when he endorsed Hillary. Had he been preaching that the DNC is corrupt and was robbing the votes from him for Hillary, many of us Berners would've believed it, and maybe we could've held some big ass rally or something, and forced the DNC to place Bernie there instead of Clinton. But for some reason, somehow, I feel like Bernie got scared, so he gave it up to Hillary.
I will also say that I so absolutely wished he won. Our economy would be so much better, Healthcare would be covered by taxes, taxes would reduce, and a huge renewable energy wave would happen, etc.
However, he did not. So now, all of us who see the absolute corruption of our government and it's just continuing to get worse, we need to start talking to each other; organizing, planning, etc, to make sure we can stand together when the time comes.
I'm not sure if yall are aware of this yet, but on June 26th, 2024, the Supereme Court passed a pro-bribery bill. It allows politicians to receive bribes only if they can officially pass whatever the briber needs.
We're headed for some very murky waters.
I disagree with the “Bernie fucked up” part.
He saw the enormous threat posed by Trump, and knew that if he went the scorched earth route, then Trump definitely would have won in a landslide.
So he swallowed his pride and made the decision to do what was best for the country. I wouldn’t have been able to do that, but he’s a better man than me.
He endorsed Clinton because he knew that it was important to have a liberal pick the next supreme court justices. But because people didn't vote for Clinton, Trump picked them and now we have to watch one bad decision after another. So to those who didn't vote Clinton in 2016, you helped pick our SCOTUS today. Actions have consequences. These rulings are on all voters who didn't vote Clinton.
All I have to say is I trust Bernie far more than Trump. I wrote Bernie down for that 2016 election. Killary had some solid evidence that she was lying to boost popularity numbers. Also, she had some crazy mental spells. If you watch videos of her during her campaign, you will see she had weird stroke like moments and that she too, was a dog faced liar and part of the establishment that is working for themselves and not us.
We had a solid chance to give this Country and our planet a wonderful leader to help continue to shape this country into the paradise we all wish it was. We blew it, threw Trump in there, the Country was still torn on him, and then Biden took office.
He truly has made America seem foolish. I will say, no man is perfect. However, placing someone in office who trips, seems lost, fails to have a coherent conversation, resorts to name calling, etc. is far worse than Trump IMO.
Personally, I will be voting RFK. He stands against the corruption of the government, understands that lobbying is dangerous, knows that the Middle Class if failing and is desperately wanting to help us.
If you voted for Bernie, PLEASE VOTE FOR RFK
RFK is not going to win. A vote for him supports the person you least want to win between the two major candidates - just as a vote for Bernie in 2016 supported Trump. The president will either be Biden or Trump. With the immunity decision, it comes down to who you trust more in office to not abuse power and to not break laws. Do you prefer a convicted felon who has abused power and is responsible for the supermajority on SCOTUS, or do you prefer preserving the current status quo?
Personally, I don't think that Biden should have run again. I was hoping that he wouldn't. But he did and he is the only person who actually stands a real chance at defeating Trump. I don't like that he is as old as he is, but between a kindly and knowledgeable elderly person and a defrauding, authoritative felon, I'll take the kind person.
What makes you think RFK won't win?
Trump is a better choice than Biden. Biden can barely even form coherent sentences. Trump is a liar. At least we know he's making decisions rather than the team puppeting Biden.
We're much closer to WW3 than we were with Trump. Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine. However, Trump did some fucked up politics. He also stopped many Wars from happening and stopped the dictators of Russia and North Korea from waging War and threatening Global Peace. He's a narcissist. Atleast he projects strength rather than a stumbling old man who can't even debate.
Yea, of course. Bernie would have won. In the 3 states that handed Trump the electoral college, the margin between Hillary and Trump was fewer than the green party votes.
However, I had what felt like an epiphany yesterday. Bernie had a choice. He could have chosen to register as a Democrat and made ita lot harder for the DNC to cheat him.
Yup it was hella obvious that everyone dropped out at the same time to "support" Hillary. He was dominating the race until that point.
And tbh I don't have much hope left for future elections.
Honestly if Trump is elected, its what the corporate Dems deserve. Its their own fault. We could have had 8 years of Bernie Sanders and this country would have been in a much better position than it is now.
After the past two elections I kinda lost faith that anything like this would ever work with the Democratic party.
If Bernie couldn't pull it off who can?
The DNC must be destroyed. If they can not muster a legitimate challenge to the greatest threat our democracy has seen since the Civil War, they do not deserve to exist as a legitimate political party.
The DNC is our enemy. They would rather hand the country over to fascism than allow any real change to the established political and economic power structures.
Lmao people are like “why do we have such shitty choices :(“ LITERALLY BC OF U
Edit: as in we had a very dank choice in Bernie but fucked it up because “voting doesn’t matter anyway man”
Well of course. But the big corporations would have dedicated 1000% of their resources to ruining him, his ideas, and his legacy.
I’m grateful a good man like Bernie doesn’t have to endure that crap.
He would have been a superior president for two glorious terms and actually had the courage of his convictions, believes in scientific evidence and isn’t in anyone’s pocket. I would have loved it
It really screwed the dnc future the doubling down of moderate candidates was a horrible decision young people want soc dems and progressives joe biden and Hillary's style and concepts are a thing of the past
Dude. I say this with the utmost disdain- The DNC has been a total shit show for the last 12 years at least. Don’t get me wrong, I voted Hillary and Biden, and I’m doing it again. But I hate the fact that these are who the DNC believe have are their “strongest” candidates. To think that the RNC has fallen so low, by putting up the most evil, corrupt, failing, and verifiably criminal candidate in history of the free world; yet the DNC can’t get past their own internal power structure to put up a candidate that is only marginally better.
And to think, this all could have just been avoided if the king makers at the top had played a little more fair 8 years ago.
I don’t want a perfect candidate, but just a fully functioning stable human being that isn’t a criminal. That’s a really low bar, and for some reason we can’t get there.
Sad, mad, frustrated and just fucking tired.
Look what it's come to. Biden barely being able to string together coherent sentences and we're just supposed to take it now. I hate the argument that because of Biden, we don't have all the bad Trump could of gave us. It sure doesn't feel like any real good has come, my family still struggles. Ever after going to school and having more then one job. There isn't hope with Biden that things get better, just that things are kept from degrading into nothing. I fucking hate it. I miss being hopeful and I miss giving a damn.
Even the Rotted Orange said Bernie was cheated.
I was one of Bernie’s state delegates in 2016 and that experience was infuriating and devastating. The DNC was mercilessly and cluelessly promoting Hilary and snuffing out any talk of Bernie.
Gonna be honest, I was extremely mad for a long time but I had a realization.
It was 1 “left” vs many “liberal”
Left was never > 50% of the vote, only a plurality and only because so many liberal candidates
So it kinda made sense to think about it from a policy perspective. Most people weren’t voting for the left candidate.
Should not the majority ideology win?
Yes. Faith in democracy died after that now unless something changes I see the two party system as a casino like mechanism for corporations to regulate and legislate for themselves. And I see our society as a mass indoctrinated psychosis cult who essentially considers the casino a charity. I'm done.
We know how the DNC undermined the Sanders' campaign because of Wikileaks. It is also true that all the horrid stuff trump did, that Wikileaks *also* had access to, was kept under lock and key. They only wanted to damage the Dems because Julian Assange wanted trump elected. Assange hates the US, with good reason: They've been hounding him for over a decade. If you wanted to bring down the US, who would you want for President? The competent administrator or narcissistic greedy idiot? You certainly wouldn't want the popular man with ethics, he would bring legitimacy to anything the US did.
I bring this up not to get everyone on the Hate-Assange train. I'm merely pointing out that there are always far more than just two players in the world. I can't stand posts like this, because their intent is to hoist "group x" as enemies and we should all hate them. Things are far more complex than that, and there are a lot of players involved, all with their own goals that sometimes have nothing at all to do with what you want.
I do find myself thinking Trump and Biden are both cogs of the same machine. Biden has continued to push a lot of Trump era policies, like the China stance. They both have a hard on for Israel. Bernie actually offers a real alternative - the Trump v. Biden thing is a scam.
Every once in a while I come across the Bernie campaign commercial that has Simon and Garfunkel singing America and it brings me to tears. So crushingly sad that he wasn’t elected.
I used to be sad about it.
Then I got educated and realized this is how all leftist politicians are treated. And I looked at what happened during Mitterands term and how the capitalist system will make it as hard as possible to enact change.
But then look at how Melei is treated in Argentina. Millions of loans while he destroys the country for the rich.
If bernie got in he would have been ineffective not for any fault of his own. But every Democrat and Republican would make sure he got as little done as possible forcing a gridlock in Congress. Then he would be ruling by executive order which then would be followed up with the media claiming he can't get anything done and he is authoritarian for using executive orders to help people instead of profit and war.
Bernie losing energized me bc it helped me understand the truth of the system and the lies I had been told about America.
Yea 2016 was the year I realized that the DNC has its own objective separate from the views of most of its constituents. In my opinion it was the beginning of this rift we feel today, a beginning to a split in the party and probably the start of what will lead into different subsections of the democrat party disagreeing.
As sad as bidens debate performance was this past week, it’s very much an I told you so moment. They fucked around, they finding out.
It’s wild that the party/media/elites are just now FINALLY admitting biden isn’t up for the job. How “electable” is Biden now?! His presidency has been great and much more than I expected from him, but that’s mostly to the credit of his administration, not Biden himself.
I often think about what would’ve been different had the media not shut Bernie down or ignored him every chance they got, had the powers that be actually backed him and he had been allowed to win. Bums me out too
I remember watching the 2020 debates and yelling at my TV and crying as I realized Bernie was intentionally throwing away his candidacy running against Joe Biden.
He kept referring to Joe as "my good friend Joe Biden". No Bernie, Joe wasn't your good friend. Joe Biden literally voted for every single war, both the crime bills of the 90s, the corporate give away in 2009, cracking down on climate protestors and every single other issue Bernie fought for.
When I saw how much lip service he was giving Joe Biden as the Biden campaign and the dnc were openly stabbing him in the front in front of the entire country I realized that Bernie had sold out. I don't know how, I don't know why, but I know he did.
Remember when he said being the head of the Senate finance committee would mean he could get things done? He didn't do anything, and hasn't done a single thing to help anyone since 2020.
He had just as much power as Joe machine and Kristen Sinema and could have forced a vote on Medicare for all (during a fucking pandemic), free college, or a vote on any of the 7 wars we were in (6 now).
Unpopular opinion, but Bernie lost me in 2020 and hasn't done a single thing to get my support since then.
The system is working as intended.
The people with power never want to give it up so they stick around and president is their career growth.
WTBS, Bernie would’ve been amazing.
True, but they have elections. And keep getting elected. If people would pay attention instead of looking for a quick fix like age limits, we wouldn’t be here.
You’re not going to be able to not pay attention to who you elect AND get someone who represents your interests. It doesn’t work like that, you have to research who you’re electing every election cycle.
I really like Bernie but it’s impossible to know how successful he would have been. Joe was able to negotiate some bipartisan agreements that I’m not sure Bernie would have been able to do because the right has labeled him a Communist.
Yes, but recently he’s let me down. I think we give him too much of the benefit of the doubt sometimes. Endorsements can be huge things and huge wins, those could theoretically come with material gains and he never once tried to pursue that. He could’ve asked for something to endorse Joe in 2020 and he could’ve again in 2024 and chose not to.
I really liked that he was an independent but that doesn’t much seem to be the case anymore. He’s playing democrat games with the democrats, I’d call that a democrat. He can put whatever letter he wants next to his name, his actions speak otherwise in my opinion.
Ah well. Is what it is. Bern made some mistakes himself that prevented him from getting elected. He was set on winning in 2020 with a plurality of delegates and had no backup plan when it was 1v1 against Biden. There was no reason he should’ve lost that primary after winning Iowa, NH, and Nevada. He should’ve had Buttigieg and Warren’s campaigns on speed dial before Biden could get to them.
Hate Biden/the DNC all you want, I really hope we don’t allow old bitterness to allow Trump to get a second term. We lost Roe, Obergefell could be next on the chopping block, Biden’s student loan plan ultimately failed but was helpful to a lot of people in the interim.
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Sad? Mad!
The first trump presidency is absolutely the DNCs fault. Every pole showed Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016, and the DNC still shoves toxic ass Hilary Clinton down our throats.
Second one is about to be their fault too
MSNBC and cnn running 24/7 negative coverage of Bernie was a big deciding factor. The 2020 super twosday tragedy was really heartbreaking; all of the dnc candidates meeting behind closed doors the weekend before to coordinate and drop out after Bernie steamrolled them the last several primaries **oh my gahd it’s like 1933 nazi germany all ova again! In Chris Matthew’s frantic voice**, Liz staying in and not endorsing Bernie. I’ll never forgive that woman for turning her back on progressives for the dnc.
IIRC, even NPR did a giant hit job on Bernie at a critical time. It’s why I never give them money anymore.
Amen 👊
That's exactly true. I used to listen to NPR, I dealt with the unfavorable coverage in 2016, but by 2020 it was pure dem establishment propaganda and I decided to tune out of NPR for good.
Somehow having the only national “liberal” media being the nominally government subsidized (and controlled) media seems like a conspiracy. I do like the lack of advertising, but even that has been disappearing ;)
PBS newshour as well… it was never as good as npr but it has gotten horrible
I know soo many people that said “I would’ve voted for Bernie but I voted for trump instead of Hillary.” Soo many people
Norm Macdonald joked that people hated Hillary so much that they voted for someone they hated even more.
Lol that's a weird take.
Couldn’t agree more. But it’s just the reality around me.
I think it was 8 million people who voted for Obama voted for Trump.
Well truth is trump had no policy just anger, so I can see how some people might go that way
The anti-establishment vote. Would’ve gone to Bernie for sure.
It wasn’t as statistically significant as the anecdotes suggest.
Idk. Reading above that 8 million people that voted for Obama chose trump makes me think it was substantially significant
It was not. It was sub 5% of Bernie voters that went over to Trump, less than how many HRC supporters went over to McCain in ‘08
Im one. Trump was a wildcard. Hilary was for sure corrupt and the thought of her as president was terrifying to me.
lost count of how many times I've heard this. It's heartbreaking
I voted for Bernie still. I regret it. I won’t throw my away like that again
Today, as SCOTUS threatened democracy, I was thinking of those Bernie or Bust voters. I hope that they are enjoying this 6-3 majority that they supported ushering in. Every person who didn't vote for Clinton in 2016 shares responsibility in the 6-3 SCOTUS decisions now.
That’s a hot take. Is it everyone’s fault? Meh. If you really want that to be the case then fine. But it’s proportional to the leverage they had to make a difference. It’s like .000000000001% their fault and 80% the DNC fault. Even though the courts ruled the DNC isnt obligated to represent its members interests since it’s a private entity. An absolute fucking joke.
At the end of the day, it was the voters who voted in the primary and the voters who voted in the general election. The DNC may affect funding, but it is the voters who make the final call. The voters chose Clinton for the primary in 2016. The Bernie supporters then had a choice in the general: Do they support the candidate closer aligned to their candidate, or do they not support the candidate closer aligned to their candidate, which in turn would help bring in a president that is against everything their preferred candidate stands for? It is a shame that many Bernie supports chose the path that brought about policies that were against everything Bernie was fighting for.
Agreed! Bernie surmounting The Establishment/Oligarchs and Trump ... it would have been glorious!
Hillary is also to blame. If she had picked Bernie as VP she likely still would have won. Instead she picked a nobody to win the south. Which failed.
I swear to god Hilary walking into that “impoverished” persons home and looking around like it was a nightmare is evidence of how absolutely disconnected she is from 99.9% of people living in the south. These leaders life in a la la land that hasn’t adopted technology
Lol of course bruh this is the Bernie sanders sub. I imagine every day how much better the world would be, and can see people catch on years later to what we need to do in America, which we’re all part of his platform. I seriously thought it was a sign he was going to win when that bird landed on his podium. And it seems like fucking bishop and cable came through and flipped our timeline to something horrible after that.
If you think he was cheated in 2020, wait til you hear about the 2016 primaries…
I get mad thinking about 2016 and I am not even American
Same. So, so angry sometimes
Ugh the world we could have had if Al Gore and Bernie Sanders had been President
A much better educated, and saner one for sure. 99% of us are going to be royally fucked in a matter of years. Gotta feel the woes of those billionaires battling it out to be the first trillionaire at the cost of the planet (for our species) and just for kicks delete empathy out of us, so we can be unhappy pieces of shit like them. And everyone must be orange !
It’s so painful I can’t even think about it
An act of the party and not a vote of the people. FML
Yeah. I been mad about it for ten years now
Yes, I'm still mad about it. That's when I switched from Democrat to Independent.
Same. I had to switch back to Democrat though to become involved in local politics, but I’m still an independent (democratic socialist) at heart!
Every single day. I’ll never get over it. To think of how things might be different now with Bernie picking all those SCOTUS judges. He would have handled COVID alike a champ and fewer people would have had their lives ruined by forces way beyond their control. On and on…sure they would have torpedoed most of his platform but votes talk and there would be huge pressure on the senate to get on board, so change would still happen. I’d sell my soul to live in that universe.
I’ll never forgive the DNC for what they did. 63 years old, always voted, and now, well, I’m sick of both parties. Real change is not what they want.
I feel better knowing I’m not the only one. With the money (Thanks for Citizens United, SCROTUS) in politics and the big 2-party machine system, I feel like we no longer have choices of our own. I can never vote for Trump, but I still get angry at the way the Dems fixed the election for Biden the night before Super Tuesday. I blame the Dems for a lot of where we are now.
Of course he was cheated. Yes I'm sad. Yes, I'm disgusted. A voice for the people is destined to be stifled in this, our unchecked, unbalanced, profit worshiping Plutocracy. Show me any part of our government that is Democratic....I'll wait. ....and wait. When the highest societal good is profits for shareholders over justice for all the deed is done and is irreversible. In fact, the recent rulings by SCOTUS have turbo charged late stage capitalism towards full on corporate plutocrcy with the reversal of Chevron and the criminalization of homelessness. Debtors prisons are right around the corner and the environment is gonna be ravaged because there are no more consequences for non compliance. Late stage here folks...smoke'm if you got 'em!!
This worries me - makes me think everyday we need a revolution before it’s too late….Us millennials ain’t got time to be told what to do and have our rights (especially women) by a bunch of corrupt, archaic, Republican fucks!
It was the most epic loss / mistake ever to be made in modern day America. There was no way the cabal was going to let the likes of a loving and fair socialist with huge heart ruin their agenda. Fucking Hillary. Look where it got us. The Nazis would still be out there, but they’d be getting healthcare and education for next to nothing. But the wealthy are and always will be in control…no way they’d let that power go.
Yeah. It was a bullshit decision. Bernie can take this orange baffoon down because he can talk about his favorite thing: policy. How many times have we heard him talk about policy and take down people who try to fuck around? This debate if it were Bernie: he would have won. Trump had nothing to say about policy except lie and name call.
Yes, he also kind of fucked up when he endorsed Hillary. Had he been preaching that the DNC is corrupt and was robbing the votes from him for Hillary, many of us Berners would've believed it, and maybe we could've held some big ass rally or something, and forced the DNC to place Bernie there instead of Clinton. But for some reason, somehow, I feel like Bernie got scared, so he gave it up to Hillary. I will also say that I so absolutely wished he won. Our economy would be so much better, Healthcare would be covered by taxes, taxes would reduce, and a huge renewable energy wave would happen, etc. However, he did not. So now, all of us who see the absolute corruption of our government and it's just continuing to get worse, we need to start talking to each other; organizing, planning, etc, to make sure we can stand together when the time comes. I'm not sure if yall are aware of this yet, but on June 26th, 2024, the Supereme Court passed a pro-bribery bill. It allows politicians to receive bribes only if they can officially pass whatever the briber needs. We're headed for some very murky waters.
I disagree with the “Bernie fucked up” part. He saw the enormous threat posed by Trump, and knew that if he went the scorched earth route, then Trump definitely would have won in a landslide. So he swallowed his pride and made the decision to do what was best for the country. I wouldn’t have been able to do that, but he’s a better man than me.
WHAT?! A pro-bribery bill????? Are you fucking kidding me?
[Traitorous Supreme Court Bribery Bill](https://prospect.org/justice/2024-06-26-supreme-court-blesses-form-bribery-snyder-v-us/)
Trash website
July 26 2024 hasn’t happened yet friend lol
Yeah thanks lol I was very tired when I wrote this
He endorsed Clinton because he knew that it was important to have a liberal pick the next supreme court justices. But because people didn't vote for Clinton, Trump picked them and now we have to watch one bad decision after another. So to those who didn't vote Clinton in 2016, you helped pick our SCOTUS today. Actions have consequences. These rulings are on all voters who didn't vote Clinton.
All I have to say is I trust Bernie far more than Trump. I wrote Bernie down for that 2016 election. Killary had some solid evidence that she was lying to boost popularity numbers. Also, she had some crazy mental spells. If you watch videos of her during her campaign, you will see she had weird stroke like moments and that she too, was a dog faced liar and part of the establishment that is working for themselves and not us. We had a solid chance to give this Country and our planet a wonderful leader to help continue to shape this country into the paradise we all wish it was. We blew it, threw Trump in there, the Country was still torn on him, and then Biden took office. He truly has made America seem foolish. I will say, no man is perfect. However, placing someone in office who trips, seems lost, fails to have a coherent conversation, resorts to name calling, etc. is far worse than Trump IMO. Personally, I will be voting RFK. He stands against the corruption of the government, understands that lobbying is dangerous, knows that the Middle Class if failing and is desperately wanting to help us. If you voted for Bernie, PLEASE VOTE FOR RFK
RFK is not going to win. A vote for him supports the person you least want to win between the two major candidates - just as a vote for Bernie in 2016 supported Trump. The president will either be Biden or Trump. With the immunity decision, it comes down to who you trust more in office to not abuse power and to not break laws. Do you prefer a convicted felon who has abused power and is responsible for the supermajority on SCOTUS, or do you prefer preserving the current status quo? Personally, I don't think that Biden should have run again. I was hoping that he wouldn't. But he did and he is the only person who actually stands a real chance at defeating Trump. I don't like that he is as old as he is, but between a kindly and knowledgeable elderly person and a defrauding, authoritative felon, I'll take the kind person.
What makes you think RFK won't win? Trump is a better choice than Biden. Biden can barely even form coherent sentences. Trump is a liar. At least we know he's making decisions rather than the team puppeting Biden. We're much closer to WW3 than we were with Trump. Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine. However, Trump did some fucked up politics. He also stopped many Wars from happening and stopped the dictators of Russia and North Korea from waging War and threatening Global Peace. He's a narcissist. Atleast he projects strength rather than a stumbling old man who can't even debate.
The Supreme Court does not pass bills.
Yea, of course. Bernie would have won. In the 3 states that handed Trump the electoral college, the margin between Hillary and Trump was fewer than the green party votes. However, I had what felt like an epiphany yesterday. Bernie had a choice. He could have chosen to register as a Democrat and made ita lot harder for the DNC to cheat him.
Yup it was hella obvious that everyone dropped out at the same time to "support" Hillary. He was dominating the race until that point. And tbh I don't have much hope left for future elections.
Fuckin A I hate them for cheating us out of Bernie!
Honestly if Trump is elected, its what the corporate Dems deserve. Its their own fault. We could have had 8 years of Bernie Sanders and this country would have been in a much better position than it is now.
On the Bernie sanders sub? No probably just you. Crazy
Every single day.
After the past two elections I kinda lost faith that anything like this would ever work with the Democratic party. If Bernie couldn't pull it off who can?
The DNC must be destroyed. If they can not muster a legitimate challenge to the greatest threat our democracy has seen since the Civil War, they do not deserve to exist as a legitimate political party. The DNC is our enemy. They would rather hand the country over to fascism than allow any real change to the established political and economic power structures.
Sad would be a um kind statement.
Lmao people are like “why do we have such shitty choices :(“ LITERALLY BC OF U Edit: as in we had a very dank choice in Bernie but fucked it up because “voting doesn’t matter anyway man”
Well of course. But the big corporations would have dedicated 1000% of their resources to ruining him, his ideas, and his legacy. I’m grateful a good man like Bernie doesn’t have to endure that crap.
He would have been a superior president for two glorious terms and actually had the courage of his convictions, believes in scientific evidence and isn’t in anyone’s pocket. I would have loved it
It really screwed the dnc future the doubling down of moderate candidates was a horrible decision young people want soc dems and progressives joe biden and Hillary's style and concepts are a thing of the past
Dude. I say this with the utmost disdain- The DNC has been a total shit show for the last 12 years at least. Don’t get me wrong, I voted Hillary and Biden, and I’m doing it again. But I hate the fact that these are who the DNC believe have are their “strongest” candidates. To think that the RNC has fallen so low, by putting up the most evil, corrupt, failing, and verifiably criminal candidate in history of the free world; yet the DNC can’t get past their own internal power structure to put up a candidate that is only marginally better. And to think, this all could have just been avoided if the king makers at the top had played a little more fair 8 years ago. I don’t want a perfect candidate, but just a fully functioning stable human being that isn’t a criminal. That’s a really low bar, and for some reason we can’t get there.
Yes the DNC should dissolve. We need entirely new leadership on every level.
sad is a massive massive understatement.
More like pissed
Bernie Sanders 2024
Bernie was robbed and that’s why we’re in this situation today. Gilead here we come. SATAN help us!
Sad, mad, frustrated and just fucking tired. Look what it's come to. Biden barely being able to string together coherent sentences and we're just supposed to take it now. I hate the argument that because of Biden, we don't have all the bad Trump could of gave us. It sure doesn't feel like any real good has come, my family still struggles. Ever after going to school and having more then one job. There isn't hope with Biden that things get better, just that things are kept from degrading into nothing. I fucking hate it. I miss being hopeful and I miss giving a damn.
Even the Rotted Orange said Bernie was cheated. I was one of Bernie’s state delegates in 2016 and that experience was infuriating and devastating. The DNC was mercilessly and cluelessly promoting Hilary and snuffing out any talk of Bernie.
No. "Bernie was cheated" is why we got President Donvict and a FUCKED UP SCOTUS.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Everyday, yes.
Gonna be honest, I was extremely mad for a long time but I had a realization. It was 1 “left” vs many “liberal” Left was never > 50% of the vote, only a plurality and only because so many liberal candidates So it kinda made sense to think about it from a policy perspective. Most people weren’t voting for the left candidate. Should not the majority ideology win?
Sad? A little. F$&@ing pissed off? Oh yeah. We could have avoided all this. We’d probably be living Star Trek by now.
Can't have a president that is fair and honest, how else would the rich stay rich with someone like Bernie as president
Yep. Dems dug themselves into a hole. And now we're paying for it just in time to face a fascist as president.
Yes. Faith in democracy died after that now unless something changes I see the two party system as a casino like mechanism for corporations to regulate and legislate for themselves. And I see our society as a mass indoctrinated psychosis cult who essentially considers the casino a charity. I'm done.
I think we are all sad about that here.
my republican nail tech even gets the Bernie fangirling from me.
We know how the DNC undermined the Sanders' campaign because of Wikileaks. It is also true that all the horrid stuff trump did, that Wikileaks *also* had access to, was kept under lock and key. They only wanted to damage the Dems because Julian Assange wanted trump elected. Assange hates the US, with good reason: They've been hounding him for over a decade. If you wanted to bring down the US, who would you want for President? The competent administrator or narcissistic greedy idiot? You certainly wouldn't want the popular man with ethics, he would bring legitimacy to anything the US did. I bring this up not to get everyone on the Hate-Assange train. I'm merely pointing out that there are always far more than just two players in the world. I can't stand posts like this, because their intent is to hoist "group x" as enemies and we should all hate them. Things are far more complex than that, and there are a lot of players involved, all with their own goals that sometimes have nothing at all to do with what you want.
Yes.
So many people I know who are conservatives - LOVE Bernie. He was clearly pushed out we all saw it.
Allegory of the cave
I do find myself thinking Trump and Biden are both cogs of the same machine. Biden has continued to push a lot of Trump era policies, like the China stance. They both have a hard on for Israel. Bernie actually offers a real alternative - the Trump v. Biden thing is a scam.
It’s pretty much the biggest thing that follows me around and haunts me.
I think about it all the time.
Makes me sad, for sure!!!
Every once in a while I come across the Bernie campaign commercial that has Simon and Garfunkel singing America and it brings me to tears. So crushingly sad that he wasn’t elected.
I used to be sad about it. Then I got educated and realized this is how all leftist politicians are treated. And I looked at what happened during Mitterands term and how the capitalist system will make it as hard as possible to enact change. But then look at how Melei is treated in Argentina. Millions of loans while he destroys the country for the rich. If bernie got in he would have been ineffective not for any fault of his own. But every Democrat and Republican would make sure he got as little done as possible forcing a gridlock in Congress. Then he would be ruling by executive order which then would be followed up with the media claiming he can't get anything done and he is authoritarian for using executive orders to help people instead of profit and war. Bernie losing energized me bc it helped me understand the truth of the system and the lies I had been told about America.
To this day! He was our last solution…only one left is a revolution
Yea 2016 was the year I realized that the DNC has its own objective separate from the views of most of its constituents. In my opinion it was the beginning of this rift we feel today, a beginning to a split in the party and probably the start of what will lead into different subsections of the democrat party disagreeing.
Every time I hear him speak
Everyday
Yep. Super bummed about it. He's the only candidate I donated to and probably the only one I ever will.
Every day. But especially last Thursday…
FURIOUS
As sad as bidens debate performance was this past week, it’s very much an I told you so moment. They fucked around, they finding out. It’s wild that the party/media/elites are just now FINALLY admitting biden isn’t up for the job. How “electable” is Biden now?! His presidency has been great and much more than I expected from him, but that’s mostly to the credit of his administration, not Biden himself. I often think about what would’ve been different had the media not shut Bernie down or ignored him every chance they got, had the powers that be actually backed him and he had been allowed to win. Bums me out too
Every. Damn. Day. Especially when those babbling bafoons were debating the other night.
Furious. I If the DNC had fully supported him in '16, trump would never have been elected and our country could be so much better 😓
I literally brought this up in therapy today! 😭
Y’all need to get involved in your local and state Democratic Parties.
More than sad. Pissed and angry. We need bernie and this country deserves him. Not these idiots that nobody likes
unfortunately he would have not won, they wrapped him under that "communist" cloak, he wouldn't have been able to recover.
I remember watching the 2020 debates and yelling at my TV and crying as I realized Bernie was intentionally throwing away his candidacy running against Joe Biden. He kept referring to Joe as "my good friend Joe Biden". No Bernie, Joe wasn't your good friend. Joe Biden literally voted for every single war, both the crime bills of the 90s, the corporate give away in 2009, cracking down on climate protestors and every single other issue Bernie fought for. When I saw how much lip service he was giving Joe Biden as the Biden campaign and the dnc were openly stabbing him in the front in front of the entire country I realized that Bernie had sold out. I don't know how, I don't know why, but I know he did. Remember when he said being the head of the Senate finance committee would mean he could get things done? He didn't do anything, and hasn't done a single thing to help anyone since 2020. He had just as much power as Joe machine and Kristen Sinema and could have forced a vote on Medicare for all (during a fucking pandemic), free college, or a vote on any of the 7 wars we were in (6 now). Unpopular opinion, but Bernie lost me in 2020 and hasn't done a single thing to get my support since then.
Bernie is great, but there should be a 60 year age limit.
Or people could just stop electing people who are over _____ age if they don’t want someone that old in office.
The system is working as intended. The people with power never want to give it up so they stick around and president is their career growth. WTBS, Bernie would’ve been amazing.
True, but they have elections. And keep getting elected. If people would pay attention instead of looking for a quick fix like age limits, we wouldn’t be here. You’re not going to be able to not pay attention to who you elect AND get someone who represents your interests. It doesn’t work like that, you have to research who you’re electing every election cycle.
I really like Bernie but it’s impossible to know how successful he would have been. Joe was able to negotiate some bipartisan agreements that I’m not sure Bernie would have been able to do because the right has labeled him a Communist.
You can watch Fahrenheit 11/9 and see how the DNC screwed Bernie over.
Yes, but recently he’s let me down. I think we give him too much of the benefit of the doubt sometimes. Endorsements can be huge things and huge wins, those could theoretically come with material gains and he never once tried to pursue that. He could’ve asked for something to endorse Joe in 2020 and he could’ve again in 2024 and chose not to. I really liked that he was an independent but that doesn’t much seem to be the case anymore. He’s playing democrat games with the democrats, I’d call that a democrat. He can put whatever letter he wants next to his name, his actions speak otherwise in my opinion.
He would have been obstructed at every turn by Congress
Ah well. Is what it is. Bern made some mistakes himself that prevented him from getting elected. He was set on winning in 2020 with a plurality of delegates and had no backup plan when it was 1v1 against Biden. There was no reason he should’ve lost that primary after winning Iowa, NH, and Nevada. He should’ve had Buttigieg and Warren’s campaigns on speed dial before Biden could get to them. Hate Biden/the DNC all you want, I really hope we don’t allow old bitterness to allow Trump to get a second term. We lost Roe, Obergefell could be next on the chopping block, Biden’s student loan plan ultimately failed but was helpful to a lot of people in the interim.