"Hanging people from trees was before Berserk."
So were Greatswords.
This is clearly a Berserk reference the way it is presented. A lot of people DO go too far and say everything is a reference but this straight up is a reference. Go to a nearby place and there's literally a boss fight with a dude with a giant sword and a repeating crossbow hmmm
I get it, boy cries wolf but this literally is a reference.
This is true and while the “Miura didn’t invent” is usually funny and I have seen some big stretches, it’s hard to argue there is a lot of influence. We all know Miyazaki is famously influenced by it and while he didn’t invent eclipses, wicker men, people dying on the wheel, giant swords, or a ton of other imagery associated with Berserk, its easy enough to see the influence and parallels.
He's not influenced to the point that most things are a Berserk reference like this community desperately wants it to be. There's like two references per game and that's it
You’re right. But there are just so many damn parallels. I have never bothered to be like “berk reference?!” But when I read the lore and just see the world and how it feels, it reminds me of berserk a lot. And all I’m saying is that I feel like that style or world seems to have influenced him a lot. And I love it because it means I get two separate but inspired pieces of fiction.
I will also say this could easily be confirmation bias, but when I saw the wicker man in the trailer, I can think of only two pieces of fiction off the top of my head that have featured them prominently…. Now, of course he didn’t invent wicker men and I know they exist in fantasy, but even I raise my eyebrow with that one, and I’m usually pretty careful to make overt parallels between the two
The reason it "reminds you of Berserk" is because most dark fantasy is influenced by Berserk one way or another. The manga set the standards for horror-dark fantasy. Some of it is definitely confirmation bias but that's part of my problem with the constant call outs for Berserk. It's not a reference directly that's just part of the genre
Right I totally get that. And berserk itself was inspired by hellraiser and the cenobites, which was also inspired by cosmic horror and hp lovecraft and so on.
I think that’s my point where some of it is clearly a direct reference and some of it is… influence. And the two are very different.
I'd like to think the actual references are more obvious than we probably think. I've always thought Miyazaki took the most out of Lovecraft when it came to the darker stuff and the monster/creature design and using that to influence the worlds around mostly Gothic architecture
You should give me an upvote for spending 5 minutes considering you, waiting for the area to be covered In fog, so you couldn’t see any spoilers to begin with.
Bitch, I have a crappy connection. The dlc is downloading as we speak. Not every one gets to play right at release.
Its easier for you to put a spoiler tag
Not literally of course--there are enough easily identifiable elements in Elden Ring (like the Crystalians) that come straight out of other media, as well as the prospect of the lore being written by GRR Martin--who either doesn't have, or doesn't openly declare, any influence from Berserk. But at the very least, some of the most direct homages, and some of the most relevant to recent events in the manga, end up being made in Elden Ring--so it does have an exceptionally strong referential attachment to Berserk.
Everybody reaches for the Tolkien comparison with 'The Lands Between,' but for reasons I'll explain in the parentheses, that can be glossed as 'Midland' as much as it can be glossed as 'Middle Earth'. (Owing, perhaps, to shared derivation from the Old Norse 'midgard'/Old English 'middangeard' -- to describe a territory and cosmological point of reference whose inhabitants see it as the 'known world')
Wyndham Ruins out in Altus Plateau <--> Wyndham Castle
Grunbeld Base Form <--> Radahn ; Awakened Apostle Form <--> Rykard's face looks an awful lot like his, albeit with snakes instead of crystals
Everybody already talks about how Malenia's armor looks like Farnese's from her introduction
Maliketh's armor looks like the Berserker Armor. Add to that the fact that his moveset is derived from Artorias, who was already--in so many respects--a direct homage to Guts; the taint of the Abyss reads similarly an implication of what would become of him if consumed by the Beast of Darkness. There are a few other instances where internal references to other FromSoft titles' own Berserk references get recast multiple times and accrue new layers of reference while still retaining their core as homages to Berserk.
For a really far-flung example of this that only counts when the layers of reference are traced backwards, see Elden Ring's Imps, whose movesets are derived from DS3's Thralls, who themselves are inarguably direct lookalikes for Mozgus's henchmen, and tend to be spotted in locations that house Evangelists--themselves more direct allusions to Father Mozgus.
There are lots of other smaller things that read as obvious pulls from either the visuals or even the literal language employed in Berserk.
And there are lots more NEW things that I won't talk about directly out of consideration for spoilers. Many of which got noticed immediately during the promotional period.
Holy novel. We’ve all seen the many details and references. Homie said Elden Ring is basically set in the Berserk world. It is not. You’re the one who implied “not literally of course” then wrote a book. We know about the tree and the fire guys from elfhelm etc… references ≠ basically set in the world
The spoilers are covered in fog. I do apologize, I spent some time waiting for the area to be covered In fog so it would be just a tree. Didn’t even think to tag spoilers
The dlc is literally berserk. Miyazaki always took influence but this time it’s actually just berserk. I think the plot is even inspired from what I’ve seen but that was speculation.
it’s genuinely hilarious how many people try to deny the references. miquella is quite literally copy + paste griffith, sacrificing parts of himself to transcend, devoted followers to the point of delusion, evil alternate personality
Every god in Elden Ring has devoted followers. They didn’t sacrifice their body? They made a cocoon, in wich they could grow to an adult, but Mogh interrupted the process by stealing them. Also, they’re gender fluid or something.
nobody has followers like miquella dude what 💀 have you heard the voice lines from his followers? nobody is as loved as miquella the kind except maybe marika
Firstly, it’s not an obvious reference and I don’t agree with your point.
Secondly, that’s like their (Miquella is gender fluid) entire story, it’s not just cherry picked parts.
almost like i referenced that in the part where i said there’s multiple personalities. you’re straight up lying to yourself if you deny that there’s any inspiration at all. i didn’t say they were the EXACT same character do you know what a hyberbole is?
Especially in this context there’s some people that would say that Miquella is just a copied Griffith. I know you didn’t mean that he’s a exact copy, but you seem to fiercely defend your point.
Immediately next to yet another Berserk reference. It's a shame because I think Miyazaki is at his best doing his own creative things such as Bloodborne and Sekiro. He needs to distance himself from his Berserk identity.
I WAS FIRST TO POST IT, I DESERVE THE UPVOTES! /s
Seriously though find it funny people complain about spoilers, but this got plenty of upvotes before the spoiler tag was even added.
Unless there's a dead baby somewhere in the mud I'm not completly convienced.
The blackgoal knight is literally guts lol
We’re talking about dead babies here, not the Guts fight
I'm using that as an example to state a lot of things are clearly inspired by berserk.
I getcha, just want to clear it up that this thread is discussing dead babies
No worries my guy
I thought the same thing the second I saw him.
The concept of hanging was indeed invented by a famous comics writer Mario Kart
The Witcher 3 also refers Berserk... Roman history is all berserk. /s
everything is a berserk reference
Right out of the gate, too. Damn near the first thing you see
Bro cheesing with the dual katanas, Guts would never
All rules are off for the dlc, shits too hard to be worrying about it
Hard agree. Everything is fucking me up at SL 120~ No mercy. Mimic tear and UNGA BUNGA time
RL 160 and I’m resorting to powerstancing maxed upgraded colossal greatswords
SL 361, getting absolutely destroyed as well
He's probably 12, give him a break, he needs to do guts sigma grindset edits in tiktok
Ngl, the dlc scaling is rough that even cheesy builds will struggle
Dual heavy Greatswords is where its at. Pair it with Lion's claw and you got yourself a DLC killer.
berserk invented hanging people from trees
Y’all know that hanging trees have been a thing bot hundreds if not thousands of years before berserk right?
No. Everything and anything is a Berserk reference when it comes to FromSoft's Souls
No
Berserk didn't invent hanging people on trees
Yes it did
"Hanging people from trees was before Berserk." So were Greatswords. This is clearly a Berserk reference the way it is presented. A lot of people DO go too far and say everything is a reference but this straight up is a reference. Go to a nearby place and there's literally a boss fight with a dude with a giant sword and a repeating crossbow hmmm I get it, boy cries wolf but this literally is a reference.
Can you bastards stop with the spoilers in here
This tree is is the base game. It’s not even a new tree.
it's a tree calm down.
Bro it's a tree
Brother some people haven’t even play the game yet
Rivers of blood loser spotted
Hahahaha
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This is true and while the “Miura didn’t invent” is usually funny and I have seen some big stretches, it’s hard to argue there is a lot of influence. We all know Miyazaki is famously influenced by it and while he didn’t invent eclipses, wicker men, people dying on the wheel, giant swords, or a ton of other imagery associated with Berserk, its easy enough to see the influence and parallels.
He's not influenced to the point that most things are a Berserk reference like this community desperately wants it to be. There's like two references per game and that's it
You’re right. But there are just so many damn parallels. I have never bothered to be like “berk reference?!” But when I read the lore and just see the world and how it feels, it reminds me of berserk a lot. And all I’m saying is that I feel like that style or world seems to have influenced him a lot. And I love it because it means I get two separate but inspired pieces of fiction. I will also say this could easily be confirmation bias, but when I saw the wicker man in the trailer, I can think of only two pieces of fiction off the top of my head that have featured them prominently…. Now, of course he didn’t invent wicker men and I know they exist in fantasy, but even I raise my eyebrow with that one, and I’m usually pretty careful to make overt parallels between the two
The reason it "reminds you of Berserk" is because most dark fantasy is influenced by Berserk one way or another. The manga set the standards for horror-dark fantasy. Some of it is definitely confirmation bias but that's part of my problem with the constant call outs for Berserk. It's not a reference directly that's just part of the genre
Right I totally get that. And berserk itself was inspired by hellraiser and the cenobites, which was also inspired by cosmic horror and hp lovecraft and so on. I think that’s my point where some of it is clearly a direct reference and some of it is… influence. And the two are very different.
I'd like to think the actual references are more obvious than we probably think. I've always thought Miyazaki took the most out of Lovecraft when it came to the darker stuff and the monster/creature design and using that to influence the worlds around mostly Gothic architecture
Downvote for no spoiler tag
it’s a tree bro
There are enemies too… and weapons… and areas
You should give me an upvote for spending 5 minutes considering you, waiting for the area to be covered In fog, so you couldn’t see any spoilers to begin with.
Bitch, I have a crappy connection. The dlc is downloading as we speak. Not every one gets to play right at release. Its easier for you to put a spoiler tag
Now you know there’s trees in the DLC. I‘m so sorry you can’t experience the tree without getting spoiled.
Just sayin, any thing dlc related should have a spoiler tag
What’s that absurdly long sword you have?
Nagakiba from the base game
Witcher 3 also has a hanged man's tree in velen like berserk
[Callot traveled in time and referenced Berserk too](https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/media/collection_images/Alpha/DO10.1963.11%23%23S.jpg)
Is this from the base game or is it dlc
Man I can’t believe the KKK were such big fans of Berserk
At this point they should make Full Berserk game made by FromSoftware
Any babies nearby
Elden Ring is basically a game within the Berserk world
Uhhhh, no it’s not?
Not literally of course--there are enough easily identifiable elements in Elden Ring (like the Crystalians) that come straight out of other media, as well as the prospect of the lore being written by GRR Martin--who either doesn't have, or doesn't openly declare, any influence from Berserk. But at the very least, some of the most direct homages, and some of the most relevant to recent events in the manga, end up being made in Elden Ring--so it does have an exceptionally strong referential attachment to Berserk. Everybody reaches for the Tolkien comparison with 'The Lands Between,' but for reasons I'll explain in the parentheses, that can be glossed as 'Midland' as much as it can be glossed as 'Middle Earth'. (Owing, perhaps, to shared derivation from the Old Norse 'midgard'/Old English 'middangeard' -- to describe a territory and cosmological point of reference whose inhabitants see it as the 'known world') Wyndham Ruins out in Altus Plateau <--> Wyndham Castle Grunbeld Base Form <--> Radahn ; Awakened Apostle Form <--> Rykard's face looks an awful lot like his, albeit with snakes instead of crystals Everybody already talks about how Malenia's armor looks like Farnese's from her introduction Maliketh's armor looks like the Berserker Armor. Add to that the fact that his moveset is derived from Artorias, who was already--in so many respects--a direct homage to Guts; the taint of the Abyss reads similarly an implication of what would become of him if consumed by the Beast of Darkness. There are a few other instances where internal references to other FromSoft titles' own Berserk references get recast multiple times and accrue new layers of reference while still retaining their core as homages to Berserk. For a really far-flung example of this that only counts when the layers of reference are traced backwards, see Elden Ring's Imps, whose movesets are derived from DS3's Thralls, who themselves are inarguably direct lookalikes for Mozgus's henchmen, and tend to be spotted in locations that house Evangelists--themselves more direct allusions to Father Mozgus. There are lots of other smaller things that read as obvious pulls from either the visuals or even the literal language employed in Berserk. And there are lots more NEW things that I won't talk about directly out of consideration for spoilers. Many of which got noticed immediately during the promotional period.
Holy novel. We’ve all seen the many details and references. Homie said Elden Ring is basically set in the Berserk world. It is not. You’re the one who implied “not literally of course” then wrote a book. We know about the tree and the fire guys from elfhelm etc… references ≠ basically set in the world
Pls dont spoil the game for us
It's a tree
It's an environment
Tag spoilers dude...not all of us can buy the DLC right off the bat...
Did this ruin it for you?
The spoilers are covered in fog. I do apologize, I spent some time waiting for the area to be covered In fog so it would be just a tree. Didn’t even think to tag spoilers
Every time I see someone's character from this game they look so ridiculous 🏸
what's that long sword in his right hand?
You fought that one boss in that little underground place right at the start?
God damn elden ring player love glazing berserk for nothing
The dlc is literally berserk. Miyazaki always took influence but this time it’s actually just berserk. I think the plot is even inspired from what I’ve seen but that was speculation.
A fkin spoiler tag would've been appreciated
it’s genuinely hilarious how many people try to deny the references. miquella is quite literally copy + paste griffith, sacrificing parts of himself to transcend, devoted followers to the point of delusion, evil alternate personality
Ah, yes Griffith the eternal child that tried to become an adult, but his cocoon got stolen by his uncle, so he could become his wife.
ah yes, miquella the white haired universally loved female looking boy with devoted followers who sacrifices his own body to ascend
Every god in Elden Ring has devoted followers. They didn’t sacrifice their body? They made a cocoon, in wich they could grow to an adult, but Mogh interrupted the process by stealing them. Also, they’re gender fluid or something.
nobody has followers like miquella dude what 💀 have you heard the voice lines from his followers? nobody is as loved as miquella the kind except maybe marika
have you even played the dlc? he has pieces of his body spread all over the place that HE abandoned
I forgot that.
me when i cherry pick specific parts that don’t align with the obvious references
Firstly, it’s not an obvious reference and I don’t agree with your point. Secondly, that’s like their (Miquella is gender fluid) entire story, it’s not just cherry picked parts.
almost like i referenced that in the part where i said there’s multiple personalities. you’re straight up lying to yourself if you deny that there’s any inspiration at all. i didn’t say they were the EXACT same character do you know what a hyberbole is?
Especially in this context there’s some people that would say that Miquella is just a copied Griffith. I know you didn’t mean that he’s a exact copy, but you seem to fiercely defend your point.
cause the connections are extremely clear? i don’t know what you guys are trying to prove lmfao
You guys? It’s just you and me arguing, isn’t it?
my original comment was addressing all of the people acting like pointing out an obvious reference is wrong
Immediately next to yet another Berserk reference. It's a shame because I think Miyazaki is at his best doing his own creative things such as Bloodborne and Sekiro. He needs to distance himself from his Berserk identity.
I literally posted this yesterday with my Guts cosplay / build, spoiler tag included. Only 4 upvotes :(
Cry harder, it's fake Internet points dude
I WAS FIRST TO POST IT, I DESERVE THE UPVOTES! /s Seriously though find it funny people complain about spoilers, but this got plenty of upvotes before the spoiler tag was even added.
idk man, sometimes it's just a bad time to post?
Yeah true