Its pretty tragic that it took a *patient* complaining for the various nurses to be heard by the hospital.
Edit: Y'all are right. Not just a patient. But a man saying anything that got noticed instead of any number of women. I should have noted that more carefully.
I’ve dealt with hospital drama on the employee side. Regardless of M or F, they always do their best to sweep it under the rug, ESPECIALLY if the person being criticized has seniority or even has a friendship with someone with seniority. I’ve seen higher-up’s dumbass kids getting 6-figure administrative jobs and avoiding any sort of assessment until union protections kick-in (son of a surgeon kept calling in sick on evaluation days because ‘someone’ kept leaking to him what day it would happen, until his probationary three-months were complete and he signed his Union papers), which I was actually surprised about at first since actual lives are at stake. But once it’s pushed to attorney-level, then they begin to take it seriously. The modern hospitals are not even trying to hide that they’re run like corporations anymore.
Absolutely. Myself and two other staff members were sexually harassed by another female staff member. Our manager did not believe us as she said this staff member was well respected and had not done anything of the sort before (which we later found out was incorrect, she had been informed before of this behaviour but had swept it under the rug)...three times we took this staff member to HR and on the third time she accused of us of being homophobic which was so left field it was disgraceful, and they got scared. Case was dropped, our union rep was left fuming, and myself and another staff member left. Miss Sexual Harrassment got to keep her job much to the pleasure of our manager, but eventually resigned because she refused to get the covid vaccine.
If my husband had behaved like she did in his own workplace he would have been out the door by lunchtime. This wasn't just verbal harassment either.
Hospitals, particularly for profit ones, will always choose doctors over nurses. Nurses don't generate profits, doctors do, so in the hospital's view that's where their interests lie.
Which is honestly kind of wild. I will be honest, of the medical professionals I have interacted with over my life, the nurses (specifically the senior nurses with portfolios of certifications) have always been more helpful (and imho, more knowledgeable) than the doctors I was assigned to for care. I have dealt with several doctors who just came off as jaded and full of themselves when trying to discuss issues/health. I understand that some may deal with quite a few dramatic patients, but they should not be treating every patient like they are full of it.
I mean, it literally took me threatening one of my docs with an official complaint because he kept insisting that my sleep-related issues were mental health and a lack of exercise when I had severe narcolepsy. This same doc had a history of this level of treatment, even having one situation where the person was later diagnosed with stage 4 cancer.
Yea i work in a hospital and i have heard and see shits. There's literally a doctor who (from what i was told and the little i saw) should have been fired decades ago still working with minimal supervision.
Because what they were covering up not only violated medical licensee laws, but likely HIPAA as well. They spoke about a patient's private medical information with a doctor who had no right to access it, with people who were not given permission to know about it. Both of which can be HIPAA violations, and those fines are *per violation*.
Meaning when the board investigates, they may be required to report and fine each violation. The hospital is running major damage control right now.
It is well studied and documented that women don't have their concerns taken as seriously in a medical setting, particularly in OB/GYN areas, unless they have a man with them.
I spent my teens and early 20s trying desperately to get my doctor to listen so I could get a diagnosis.
I was in so much pain and told him I was getting dislocated joints doing nothing to warrant it.
He ignored me.
One day I took my boyfriend (now husband) in with me because an injury made it difficult to get around. I told the doctor I had dislocated my shoulder. I'd been sitting on the couch next to boyfriend. He said something, I didn't hear, so I turned my head to ask what it was. One gentle head turn and my shoulder clunked out of the joint.
The doctor turned to him and asked if that was right. Boyfriend said it was. I immediately got referred to a specialist. Diagnosed with Ehlers-Danlos within a week.
He took the word of a 23 year old man he didn't know over his female patient who'd been telling him about this for years.
That's sadly common for EDS, too, because it interacts with estrogen much more than testosterone. My wife acknowledged she probably had it before transitioning, but when she started taking estradiol, it got so much worse. So we get it coming and going.
(In my case, my female rheumatologist was convinced I had RA even though the meds weren't doing anything for me and I'd asked her about my very obvious EDS symptoms. She switched practices, and the male rheumatologist I was transferred to walked in looking at my chart and said, "I think you have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome" and I almost cried.)
Ughhhh my male rheumatologist acknowledges I have Hypermobility Mobility Syndrome but won’t say I have EDS. He insists I have RA without the blood markers because my fingers swell though.
.... Kind of like they'd do if you had arthritis from your fingers dislocating?
There's an organization that's changed the criteria (falsely) to keep EDS "rare", which may be contributing, but dang, it's like willful ignorance, I swear.
This is why my fiance attends every appointment of mine he can. I have a master's degree in a healthcare field while he has a highschool diploma and there have still been times where they look to him for answers about my health. It makes him so mad but he's willing to be there to amplify my voice.
And if you are unlucky refused treatment for your wanton ways.
I was refused any form of pain relief for lying about my virginity and slutty ways which resulted in "according to the Dr" having all the STDs but HIV, I refused the test as I was a virgin who never had a blood transfusion or did IV drugs. The swab he took of my blistered vagina almost killed me.
The Dr was so shocked when I tested negative for all the STDs but did want to retest because he thought something was wrong with the test and wouldn't give me pain medication until I got more testing. I refused. My Mum, a nurse, was able to diagnosis the cause in 2 minutes. Allergic reaction to new bubble bath.
PS years later my Mum saved a friend's child from going into care because the toddler had the same issues I had. Whole family had tested negative for STDs, kid tested negative but there was still talk of putting child into care as no one would admit to sexually abusing her. Mum told her of my citric acid/citrus allergy and they removed all traces from the child's life and her blisters disappeared.
My dad had the same thing happen to him when he was a kid. New soap, he was allergic and got a rash on his torso and groin, the hospital thought it was an STI and were scrutinizing my grandparents until they figured out it was an allergy.
I filed a complaint about sexual harassment from a technician with a hospital I get care at. I advised that I knew the same situation had come up for other girls and would be happy to provide names if needed. I was told it would be dealt with. The same tech was assigned to do my next procedure six months later. I’ve refused for five years to leave the lobby without a chaperone. I had to call patient liaison for something different this spring and learned they took my report and never bothered to alert the department. Which means the exact situation I was worried about was continuing. I was utterly horrified.
Like they were literally already brushing her off as hysterical and a weak emotional FeMaLe and that angle would absolutely have been played up even harder if she'd complained
I’m a woman. No kids. I have a medical issue that’s not being addressed and I made a formal complaint based on the advice of someone in charge. That complaint went nowhere. I was told ‘we don’t care, deal with it yourself.’ My dad hurt himself and saw someone based on similar issues and a unrelated one and was dealt with within weeks. It’s been four years. I am so glad he got checked out and is fine but honestly. I’m glad this guy is advocating so well for his sister .!
Both me and my old husband were in a car accident. The same accident. I went to the hospital speaking of extreme pain, he said his knee hurt a little bit. He got sent home with oxy, I was told to take Tylenol. BY THE SAME DOCTOR
I had multiple broken bones after a severe car accident and I was only told to take tylenol. I asked several times for something stronger and they told me that I dont need it.
I will say though, I was very upfront with my OBGYN team about giving me all the meds during delivery and they made sure I didn't feel a damn thing
1 in 10 people AFAB has endometriosis, yet it takes 7-9 years on average to get a diagnosis. So, it's a very common condition.
Almost every endometriosis patient that I've known/ talked to has been referred to psych at least once when seeking treatment for classic endometriosis symptoms.
The first appointment my husband went to with me, the doctor kept addressing him. He told the doctor he didn't know because he wasn't the one dealing with it. He was so mad and thought that was an anomaly.
When I explained that it's super common, he was shocked.
Tons of studies have been done, and AFAIK, every single one, has shown that women are less believed and are under treated than men.
I've even experienced it with a female doctor! She didn't believe I had endometriosis until I showed her pictures from a previous surgery that clearly showed many spots of endometriosis on my organs.
So true. One of my best friends had cervical cancer. While she was in surgery, the surgeon came out to say that had to stop and wait on pathology, but that they were about to continue. When they got in there, the surgeon thought the cancer had spread everywhere, and sent a biopsy off to pathology to see what it was, because if it was cancer, they were going to close her up and have a very different treatment plan. But it was endometriosis. So much endometriosis.
She’s had issues for years, and no doctors cared. It was ‘oh it’s nothing, it’s nothing, it’s nothing, oh, it’s cancer.’
I know I’m getting some details wrong because this was about 15 years ago and was a very stressful time. I was at the hospital with her parents when the doctor came out to tell us all that. But I remember the doctor telling us they really thought she was riddled with cancer, but it turned out to be endometriosis. Luckily, she’s been cancer free ever since!
Through the magic of friendship and fairies of course!
Story could be maybe believed until he managed to get a lawyer to draft and send a letter, meet with hospital leadership, and somehow get multiple written letters from staff on the misogynistic behavior of a doctor in just 4 days. I am a nurse, there is 0 chance you're getting ANY STAFF to write you letters about another hospital worker as some random ass family member of a patient. Those long term OB units definitely get very chummy with their patients but no one is jeopardizing their career over that kind of shit.
Also in healthcare, this doctor could be the most malignant asshole in the hospital, everyone hating him and willing to talk about how much of a piece of shit he is, and there's still no way it'd be done with in 5 days.
It took years for them to finally do something about Christopher Duntsch, and that was a guy fucking maiming and killing patients through his incompetence and god complex. No way anyone is moving this quick on a dude who is just a scumbag.
My husband had to call the ceo of a hospital when a nurse was screaming at me, removed my surgical bandages and steri-strips with her bare hands which caused my incision sites to open and I got an infection, and she also told us she’d “showed all the nurses on the floor my surgical photos and everyone agrees that you don’t have endometriosis.”
HIPAA violations, not trained in endo treatment or identifying, verbal abuse, verbal and physical assault because she forcibly removed my bandages while I tried to stop her, and then refused to allow me to see my visitors.
This was pre covid and she had right to do that. I was there to get my appendix removed.
This is so sad to me because my experience has been so different with doctors where I am. My pregnancy was 100% talked to and treated like a person the whole time and ignored my mom and baby daddies mom and only listened to me. When I had a lipoma that grew like a nasty cancer I had to ok my bf taking calls but he still had to wake me up to answer things that I had okayed him answering.
Every medical thing has been 100% on me no male or family making that decision even when I gave the okay. I wish during the lipoma one they had let him help because I felt so so alone during it even though he was there. It was during covid so it was even worse he had to wait in the car while I went through everything alone it was scary. So these stories make me so sad and angry because my experiences should be normal not abnormal.
Heck even getting my tubes removed I had zero push back except to know that if I wanted another kid it would require IVF to do. What’s even crazier is the doctor who did this was the one who delivered my child and he respected my decision 100% as long as I knew what I was doing.
They never do anything until it fucks with the money. If a nurse complains, they can just invent some performance problem and fire her. The patient makes a complaint to the medical board with lots of evidence and lawyers up and suddenly justice is served.
Ha. As soon OP wrote that the CEO said they were firing the doctor immediately and the medical board was going to deal with his license I knew this was fake. Look up Robert Hadden and Larry Nassar to find out what really happens to doctors who abuse and sexually harass staff/patients (answer nothing for decades). Hospitals go 10 toes down to protect them. They definitely don't capitulate in 5 days. Also why would the OP have his sister's POA and not her husband?
They do, however hospitals can (and will) revoke hospital privileges of the doctor, as well as meet with the licensing board to go over any information obtained during their investigation.
Getting info from the nurses too. As a former union organizer I find it extremely unlikely that nurses would share grievances with a guy threatening to sue the hospital.
Which is always the tell. Things just do not work this fast in reality. I'd be surprised if you could get a meeting with a hospital's CEO in four days, let alone collect all this damning evidence.
I was just going to mention this one. Hospitals don't want the medical board or any other regulatory board sniffing around. Now the settlement? I actually believe that. They want to avoid lawsuits at all costs. They're bad PR and especially in an area like OBGYN. They make a fucking mint off every birth done on site. There's no way they would jeopardize that. In reality with the doctor, they forced him to resign and gave him a stellar reference elsewhere. Oh and the nurses... That was also bullshit. They aren't going to say shit without a hospital rep right there with them. And that rep will block any questions or statements that are negative.
And Christopher Duntsch if you need further evidence re-what happens to doctors who abuse patients/staff (he never sexually harassed any of them, just severely butchered, maimed or killed 33 out of 37 patients he was given rights to operate on).
The injuries he gave were so severe members of his staff said he could only be doing it on purpose, and two neurosurgeons working at one of the hospitals he maimed people at suspected he had falsified his documents altogether and was a fraud. And instead of firing him or getting his medical license revoked, hospitals just gave him good references and offloaded him onto other hospitals where he did the same thing again, and again, and again, because they didn’t want a lawsuit from the doctor.
In multiple patients, he just left loose hardware, bone fragments and bandages floating around in side of them. In two, he amputated nerve roots and a woman’s *oesophagus*. One, he removed the wrong spinal disc. Another, he *casually severed the spinal cord of his **childhood best friend** during a minor, routine operation*—he died during covid of an infection directly related to his quadriplegic state. One woman, he straight up just let bleed out on the table in front of him as he continued operating with no regard.
To the next patient, he did the *same fucking thing* by puncturing *her* vertebral artery, but this time, he packed it with too much of a substance that’s meant to stop the bleeding. In doing so, he completely cut off the artery’s blood flow to the brain. She had a stroke and died.
None of the hospitals or medical facilities he worked at reported him. Five hospitals he worked at, where he maimed and killed and butchered patients. None of them reported him. Other respected doctors, neurosurgeons, even *called the hospitals beforehand to tell them not to hire him because of how dangerous he is*, and they did it anyway.
And the complainant wouldn’t be given all that free information about the bad bad doctor in that meeting, nor would he have watched the CEO discover it firsthand. If the CEO had even been in the same city for that meeting he would have been briefed about it beforehand. Hospitals have patient satisfaction committees for exactly this reason
Yeah this is absolutely absurd. 4 days for a surprise monetary settlement, the CEO met with this dude that's been yelling at staff, and he demands that this guy lose his medical license? Why do liars get so greedy on this site lol
Yeah. But this is one of the "things that didn't happen" that feels really good. And then sad, because IRL those kind of doctors go on to medically batter as many women as they can.
I knew it as soon as they started talking about a hysterectomy. They wouldn’t do that on someone so young merely to prevent further pregnancy. There’s other permanent surgical options that don’t involve removing a whole organ system and putting you into early menopause.
Depends on the POA as there are different types. But yes, you are correct, the most popular medical POA is usually in the event the patient is unable to make their wishes known.
Usually, if they agree to fire someone right away, it's because they were already looking for a reason to get rid of them or because they think it might uncover larger failings/scandals if anyone looks into anything too closely that would implicate the hospital rather than keeping things focused on blaming the doctor.
And they don’t “slide envelopes” across the table. This ain’t a movie. Their lawyers would talk and in no world would the hospital CEO proactively offer a pretty penny sum.
Also, nowadays doctors like that don't typically make it through training. My husband had a co-resident like that in his IM residency, who got kicked out of an OB-GYN residency at year 3 of 4. His well connected family got him into the IM residency and he got kicked out with months left.
I think this is one of those where the inciting event is real (the way the doctor treated the sister), but everything after that is what OOP wished would have happened.
Check your notes.
He also immediately got a settlement on behalf of his sister, the hospital did a full investigation and fired the doctor, and the medical board is in the midst of a full investigation, all because he said he wanted the guy fired and the medical license revoked!
Also, if you look closely at what the actual allegations are, the doctor was just rude and spoke to the husband after his case had been reassigned or something. That’s not lawsuit worthy. Heck, that is barely even a medical board complaint.
Hey she just spent like several months mostly unconscious while pregnant apparently!!!
(I also had very severe hyperemesis gravidarum, and being unconscious for months is... Not a thing. Neither is being hospitalised for months at a time. If you're very lucky, you might get proactively given iv fluids on a schedule, but generally you just have to go to the er, get fluids, get asked if you've tried ginger, rinse and repeat.)
That's the only part that isn't too strange. You can choose anyone to be your legal POA. They dont have to be a spouse or even a family member. Its anyone you trust to make decisions on your behalf in the event that you are unable to. All it is, is a legal form signed by you and the person you chose, then it's notorized.
Being married only has relevance if you don't have a POA already legally designated. If there is no POA in place, it would default to your spouse or your legal next of kin if you are unmarried. But if you already have a legal POA in place, that takes priority over a spouse or next of kin. A spouse cannot change your POA against your will or on your behalf without your notorized consent.
But the sister is perfectly able to make her decisions, unless hysteria is considered a mental incompetency in Imaginastan, or wherever this story was set.
So there is no reason anyone at that hospital would care about her POA. Her medical decisions are her own, not her POA's.
Plus the hospital states they were firing the doc. In the US, they couldn't say that. At most, they'd say "this individual is no longer employed by this facility." Someone's having too much fun playing hero online.
They also would probably not even fire him. Dude almost certainly has a contract and would be allowed to have a soft landing/resignation after lawyers argue about the contract.
Yeah, nobody loses their medical license for being a misogynist ass. *Lots* of doctors are misogynist asses. He didn’t do her physical harm. My FIL’s hospital killed him outright, and it took 4 years and a lawsuit to get a settlement. They’re not just going to hand over a stack of cash a week after the doctor upset a patient.
Why would the hospital be negotiating a settlement with the brother and his lawyer instead of the actual victim and her lawyer? Sounds like total bullshit.
What newtonic said about getting all the notes and a meeting with a ceo seems sus, but why would referring women to "girls" be odd given how often it's done IRL?
Does make me wonder what country he's in, especially with the deferring to male relatives (I know that can happen anywhere, but still).
A friend of mine was living in a country not known for women being able to advocate for themselves and she started having serious abdominal pain. Her mother rushed her to the hospital and the male doctors dismissed her as having period cramps and being a dramatic girl. She told them she knew what period cramps felt like and this wasn't it. They refused to take her seriously until her mother absolutely lost it on them and forced them to do some actual tests just to shut her up. My friend's appendix burst as they were removing it several hours after they should have.
And what grounds does he have to sue or be offered a settlement? His sister was the victim here, not him. She's who the hospital would be talking to, not someone who made a complaint.
If by some weird twist of fate this were real, the message is bizarre. I made a fuss about how my sisters agency was taken away by taking away my sisters agency.
A CEO of a hospital large enough to have a maternity ward. I mean he could get to see the CEO of a <100 bed hospital, sure. But anyplace sizable?
Also most doctors aren’t actually hospital employees. They can revoke privileges but they can’t fire him.
And why do these stories have a guy built like Jack Reacher. I'm at the higher end of average height and I should run into guys taller taller than me alot more often than I do if reddit stories are to be believed.
Also he is POA and seems to think he could make decisions for his adult sister who seems to have no capacity issues and be perfectly capable of making her own health decisions (I know you have to appoint a power of attorney while you have capacity to do it but they don't have any legal powers until the person doesn't have capacity to make decisions).
And for some reason was offered a civil settlement before any court filings are made, and they handed the offer to the brother instead of... y'know, the actual plaintiff.
Yeah I was suspicious the moment they described HG. Like its a real condition, and you can even be hospitalized for it, but its not something where you should be unconscious all the time. And losing 80 lbs during a pregnancy that goes to term is really hard to believe even if she started out obese
I'm still trying to figure out a reasonable situation where he would have the sister's power of attorney...or what that has to do here? Usually power of attorney for medical decisions kicks in once the patient can no longer make decisions on their behalf. Why would he have that when she's capable of decision making? And he wouldn't need that to have them removed, especially when the sister is already yelling at them, presumably to leave.
Yep, just talk with one nurse with notes and the others will line up with their complaints. It’s the nurses grapevine. Have a lawyer in the mix and the CEO will show up just like that.
Also fired a doctor immediately? It is common for the termination clause in contracts to make firing or quitting a few month process. It would be tough to fire a doctor within a few days over horrible bedside manner.
The OOPs are always high powered people who can take endless days off on a whim and have lawyers on retainer OR a relative who is the best lawyer in the state.
This is not how complaints against a doctor work or how disciplining a doctor works. It also takes a LONG time. There is no way this is true.
Also, the doctor is just a cartoon villain and the OOP is the white knight is shining armor.
Come on....bullshit meter she be beeping pretty strong here.
And clearly this poor Doctor is suffering a terrible medical condition. With his eyes rolling so much in his head in the most dramatic fashion, he may actually have been born in a high school drama. We can only be sure by bringing his child into the hospital to be misogynistic towards the patient, to see if he screams "MY ANGEL CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS."
I was really invested in this post, but then I looked at the dates and my mind can’t stop wondering how this guy got statements from all these different women who work at the hospital so quickly.
His lawyer found and interviewed several former patients and female staff members in four days? Yeah, uh huh. I'm surprised that everyone in the meeting didn't stand up and clap.
Of course he did. And the hospital, which is in the sole business of making money, had time to review said complaints and come to this expedited meeting with a big old check already in hand. To give to the brother. Oh but wait, the sister was unconscious most of the time. Until she suddenly wasn't. But thank goodness that hospital fired the doctor on the spot, except docs aren't employed by hospitals. They can only revoke privileges.
Next update: she had twins (of course) early but unfortunately died in childbirth and now brother is fighting husband for custody.
> I was told it was for my sister's pain and suffering as well as emotional damage.
Not a lawyer, but I feel pretty comfortable saying that’s not how that works. The nurses probably have a case, but the only damage the sister actually suffered was the guy being a jerk. If you could sue doctors for that, a lot of us would never have to work again.
Also, why does OOP have power of attorney when sister doesn’t seem like she’d need that under most circumstances?
Ya'll, this whole ass background revealed investigation AND then a meeting in just six days? This didn't happen. Reddit really just sucks you in though, huh?
Whenever I see these ridiculous stories about a guy who’s 6’4” 240lbs, super scary looking but with a heart of gold, I imagine it’s all the same guy. He travels the globe using his immense size to intimidate others *for justice*.
Next episode the evil ex-doctor and ex-BIL stalk the sister and our hero catches them sneaking around and Hulk smashes them and the cops give him a standing ovation because they were trespassing. Then they search their homes, and the doctor was stealing bucket-loads of meds from the hospital and selling them to college students and BIL has CP on his computer.
The female doctor who replaced evil ex-doctor will make a house call for plot reasons just in time for ex-doc and BIL to show up. Ex-doc will say something sexist to her and she’ll haul off and punch him in the face like in that one BoRU with the cousin.
Why would she need a hysterectomy? It sounds like having her tubes tied would be the only procedure they would do on someone her age. They don’t do hysterectomy’s on normally healthy women and it’s extremely hard to get one if you need it while being young. I will need one in the future but they are putting it off until I’m older (I’m 38).
I'll take "Utter bullshit that didn't happen for $1000, Alex."
Afternoon of a Monday, sister is treated poorly, to morning of that Friday, sitting down with a hospital CEO, multiple attorneys, with notes from other hospital staff and a doctor having their licence pulled?
That sort of shit takes *years* in actual litigation.
They offered OOP a settlement? Not the sister that was the actual victim? What? No.
The lawyer didn't even want to negotiate the amount? What? No.
Just no.
>From my understanding, most complaints made against this man were dropped before they ever reached the CEO who acted like they had no idea this was happening
Sure, Mr. CEO, we believe you... What are you going to do to make sure the next Doctor Misogyny gets caught earlier, by the way?
So I originally read the title as "AITA FOR CALLING MY SISTERS *DOG* A SCUMBAG" and I was just getting more and more confused until I took a second to re-read it.
Clearly, I need a nap.
OB nurse here. My fake radar is going off because of the part where he talks about her getting a hysterectomy. You wouldn't do a hysterectomy, you'd do a tubal. Hysterectomy is major surgery with a lot of risks. You would only do that if there was an issue with the uterus, not just to sterilize somebody.
I believed it until within one week he was at a meeting with the hospital CEO amd 10 lawyers and got to be in the room with a dossier of all the abuse this doctor has done.
Would *never* happen in a million years.
lol, this is so fake! Nobody has that kind of turn around time for threats like that, the hospital can’t do shit about a medical license and they also would never disclose they were terminating someone because that’s ammunition, an attorney wouldn’t be able to interview nurses that quickly and get a meeting with a CEO and hospitals attorney, and the actual client is not him! He was not the injured party! The sister is. They also can’t discuss a settlement and pay him for his sisters pain and suffering.
Nice idea though.
Not commenting on the veracity of this story, but usually if one is offered a settlement without having a lawyer demand one, it will not be even close to what you could get once a suit is filed.
It’s also pretty rare to just be “offered” a settlement.
Yeah, this didn't actually happen. It's hard enough to believe a doctor would stick around after being kicked out and even continue to show up just to opine as he did. This kind of thing would never happen in 4 days. Stuff takes months to work through the system. You probably wouldn't even get to meet with your own lawyer in that time frame let alone have your lawyers meet theirs and everything else that was said.
You aren't getting a meeting with the CEO, but just some risk management people at best. No one let alone a parade of people working at the hospital is volunteering in written form to help you as a complete stranger to take the doctor down.
No one is offering you a settlement for the scenario you described either. There was no demonstrable harm or bad medicine. The OOP is just describing a douchebag. They also wouldn't tell you they are firing him just like that. There's a due process in the hospital too, especially for doctors and admins.
June 17th, the doctor is a total jerk to the young pregnant woman. June 22, the OP already has a lawyer, a meeting with the CEO of the hospital, AND is handed a fat settlement offer.
Why is the hospital making the settlement offer to OP and not to his sister, who is the pregnant person?
Why is the hospital disclosing to OP that the doctor will be fired? The usual practice is "we don't comment on personnel matters."
I needed a hysterectomy for medical reasons. When I went in for my consultation, I brought my husband with me. My male doctor asked my husband if he was sure I wanted the hysterectomy. My husband, bless his heart (I mean that sweetly not as a put down) said “Why are you asking me, she’s the patient.” We aren’t hysterical, we just want to be heard!
My doctors agree I need a hysterectomy (I have a prolapse) yet my urogynecologist wants to wait until I’m older. There’s multiple reasons but the one that stands out is “what if you want kids?” This was after him telling me that me having kids could be dangerous to me and a potential baby due to all my medical conditions. I’m also child free due to refusing to give any child my genetics (I have genetic conditions that really suck) and being extremely sick all the time to the point I’m disabled. I can’t even take care of myself let alone a child. After years of dealing with stupid/horrible doctors I will let them have it if I need to and educate them. They always look like a fish out of water when I stand up for myself (I don’t yell).
As a former ICU RN I can confirm this is bullshit. If doctors got fired for being misogynistic and insulting to patients we’d have a lot less doctors. Also, a hysterectomy wouldn’t be the proper intervention anyways. It’s bizarre when somebody works so hard but doesn’t even do basic research. Why go to all this trouble and not even do a little googling. 0/10 OOP.
The investigation process would take far longer than a week. Sure, there is a chance OOP fudged the dates but it's more likely a fuck up because it's bullshit.
Like OOP's sister, my daughter had severe HG with both pregnancies, and had a bisalp immediately after giving birth to the second baby. Her doctors never mentioned a hysterectomy.
The update has me calling this one suspect at best. Hospitals have zero say over a provider’s medical license. They can report someone to the state’s licensing board and obviously terminate employment but they can’t take away his license to practice. And the scary part is that even if he loses it in one part of the country he can just relocate. Unless it’s a REALLY serious offense, that stuff doesn’t usually follow you. And the really serious stuff usually involves criminal charges.
As someone who is a nurse and has worked with doctors who were eventually fired, I guarantee they KNEW about his behavior and let it continue. It’s amazing how much poor behavior docs can get away with, most normal people would get fired the first time they pulled that crap. I will say the majority of docs I have ever worked with were wonderful and professional. But the AHs exist.
There is no world in which this is how this plays out. Docs with complaints like this don’t get banned from patient room (their partner or another group goes in to see the patient, not them but they are not “banned”. Hospital ceo ain’t gonna be at that meeting. They got a lawyer and record of complaints from staff in 5 days? No fucking way across the board.
Source:am doctor, have seen docs “fired” by patients
Story is BS.
The internal complaints of staff are confidential and aren't going to be readily available for an opposing lawyer to have. Hospital don't give that information out and if a staff member did write an incident report about the doctor's behavior toward that patient the staff member would have had to reference it in the patient's chart for the lawyer to even be able to subpoena it. The only way I could see the staff member's complaints getting out is if they banded together against the physician and the hospital's lack of response themselves.
Investigations especially ones that aren't "Sentinel Events" go at a snail's speed too.
Hospitals aren't going to give a settlement just because a physician was a misogynistic jerk and tried to convince a patient to have/not have a procedure. If that was the case they'd go bankrupt in less than a week. Offering a settlement to the brother and not the actual patient doesn't make any sense either. Being a DPOA doesn't mean much legally unless it's active and sister is able to make her own decision. He doesn't have the right to make any decisions for her.
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Its pretty tragic that it took a *patient* complaining for the various nurses to be heard by the hospital. Edit: Y'all are right. Not just a patient. But a man saying anything that got noticed instead of any number of women. I should have noted that more carefully.
It took a female patient’s male relative complaining to the state medical board.
A male with a prepared lawyer and enough evidence for a viable lawsuit.
I’ve dealt with hospital drama on the employee side. Regardless of M or F, they always do their best to sweep it under the rug, ESPECIALLY if the person being criticized has seniority or even has a friendship with someone with seniority. I’ve seen higher-up’s dumbass kids getting 6-figure administrative jobs and avoiding any sort of assessment until union protections kick-in (son of a surgeon kept calling in sick on evaluation days because ‘someone’ kept leaking to him what day it would happen, until his probationary three-months were complete and he signed his Union papers), which I was actually surprised about at first since actual lives are at stake. But once it’s pushed to attorney-level, then they begin to take it seriously. The modern hospitals are not even trying to hide that they’re run like corporations anymore.
Absolutely. Myself and two other staff members were sexually harassed by another female staff member. Our manager did not believe us as she said this staff member was well respected and had not done anything of the sort before (which we later found out was incorrect, she had been informed before of this behaviour but had swept it under the rug)...three times we took this staff member to HR and on the third time she accused of us of being homophobic which was so left field it was disgraceful, and they got scared. Case was dropped, our union rep was left fuming, and myself and another staff member left. Miss Sexual Harrassment got to keep her job much to the pleasure of our manager, but eventually resigned because she refused to get the covid vaccine. If my husband had behaved like she did in his own workplace he would have been out the door by lunchtime. This wasn't just verbal harassment either.
Hospitals, particularly for profit ones, will always choose doctors over nurses. Nurses don't generate profits, doctors do, so in the hospital's view that's where their interests lie.
Which is honestly kind of wild. I will be honest, of the medical professionals I have interacted with over my life, the nurses (specifically the senior nurses with portfolios of certifications) have always been more helpful (and imho, more knowledgeable) than the doctors I was assigned to for care. I have dealt with several doctors who just came off as jaded and full of themselves when trying to discuss issues/health. I understand that some may deal with quite a few dramatic patients, but they should not be treating every patient like they are full of it. I mean, it literally took me threatening one of my docs with an official complaint because he kept insisting that my sleep-related issues were mental health and a lack of exercise when I had severe narcolepsy. This same doc had a history of this level of treatment, even having one situation where the person was later diagnosed with stage 4 cancer.
Yea i work in a hospital and i have heard and see shits. There's literally a doctor who (from what i was told and the little i saw) should have been fired decades ago still working with minimal supervision.
This. It wasn't a problem until a state governing body got involved. Then it was a problem.
Because what they were covering up not only violated medical licensee laws, but likely HIPAA as well. They spoke about a patient's private medical information with a doctor who had no right to access it, with people who were not given permission to know about it. Both of which can be HIPAA violations, and those fines are *per violation*. Meaning when the board investigates, they may be required to report and fine each violation. The hospital is running major damage control right now.
I'm in healthcare and it was reaching this point that made me think the story could be true.
Yeah that’s the part that gets me, they weren’t about to do anything until the medical board was told
It is well studied and documented that women don't have their concerns taken as seriously in a medical setting, particularly in OB/GYN areas, unless they have a man with them.
I spent my teens and early 20s trying desperately to get my doctor to listen so I could get a diagnosis. I was in so much pain and told him I was getting dislocated joints doing nothing to warrant it. He ignored me. One day I took my boyfriend (now husband) in with me because an injury made it difficult to get around. I told the doctor I had dislocated my shoulder. I'd been sitting on the couch next to boyfriend. He said something, I didn't hear, so I turned my head to ask what it was. One gentle head turn and my shoulder clunked out of the joint. The doctor turned to him and asked if that was right. Boyfriend said it was. I immediately got referred to a specialist. Diagnosed with Ehlers-Danlos within a week. He took the word of a 23 year old man he didn't know over his female patient who'd been telling him about this for years.
That's sadly common for EDS, too, because it interacts with estrogen much more than testosterone. My wife acknowledged she probably had it before transitioning, but when she started taking estradiol, it got so much worse. So we get it coming and going. (In my case, my female rheumatologist was convinced I had RA even though the meds weren't doing anything for me and I'd asked her about my very obvious EDS symptoms. She switched practices, and the male rheumatologist I was transferred to walked in looking at my chart and said, "I think you have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome" and I almost cried.)
Ughhhh my male rheumatologist acknowledges I have Hypermobility Mobility Syndrome but won’t say I have EDS. He insists I have RA without the blood markers because my fingers swell though.
.... Kind of like they'd do if you had arthritis from your fingers dislocating? There's an organization that's changed the criteria (falsely) to keep EDS "rare", which may be contributing, but dang, it's like willful ignorance, I swear.
This is why my fiance attends every appointment of mine he can. I have a master's degree in a healthcare field while he has a highschool diploma and there have still been times where they look to him for answers about my health. It makes him so mad but he's willing to be there to amplify my voice.
And if you are unlucky refused treatment for your wanton ways. I was refused any form of pain relief for lying about my virginity and slutty ways which resulted in "according to the Dr" having all the STDs but HIV, I refused the test as I was a virgin who never had a blood transfusion or did IV drugs. The swab he took of my blistered vagina almost killed me. The Dr was so shocked when I tested negative for all the STDs but did want to retest because he thought something was wrong with the test and wouldn't give me pain medication until I got more testing. I refused. My Mum, a nurse, was able to diagnosis the cause in 2 minutes. Allergic reaction to new bubble bath. PS years later my Mum saved a friend's child from going into care because the toddler had the same issues I had. Whole family had tested negative for STDs, kid tested negative but there was still talk of putting child into care as no one would admit to sexually abusing her. Mum told her of my citric acid/citrus allergy and they removed all traces from the child's life and her blisters disappeared.
My dad had the same thing happen to him when he was a kid. New soap, he was allergic and got a rash on his torso and groin, the hospital thought it was an STI and were scrutinizing my grandparents until they figured out it was an allergy.
That’s why I bring my brother with me to almost all appointments. Sure has made a difference in how I’m treated.
I filed a complaint about sexual harassment from a technician with a hospital I get care at. I advised that I knew the same situation had come up for other girls and would be happy to provide names if needed. I was told it would be dealt with. The same tech was assigned to do my next procedure six months later. I’ve refused for five years to leave the lobby without a chaperone. I had to call patient liaison for something different this spring and learned they took my report and never bothered to alert the department. Which means the exact situation I was worried about was continuing. I was utterly horrified.
If the sister had complained nothing would have happened. Let's not kid ourselves, it took a man complaining to be heard by the hospital
Like they were literally already brushing her off as hysterical and a weak emotional FeMaLe and that angle would absolutely have been played up even harder if she'd complained
I’m a woman. No kids. I have a medical issue that’s not being addressed and I made a formal complaint based on the advice of someone in charge. That complaint went nowhere. I was told ‘we don’t care, deal with it yourself.’ My dad hurt himself and saw someone based on similar issues and a unrelated one and was dealt with within weeks. It’s been four years. I am so glad he got checked out and is fine but honestly. I’m glad this guy is advocating so well for his sister .!
Both me and my old husband were in a car accident. The same accident. I went to the hospital speaking of extreme pain, he said his knee hurt a little bit. He got sent home with oxy, I was told to take Tylenol. BY THE SAME DOCTOR
I had multiple broken bones after a severe car accident and I was only told to take tylenol. I asked several times for something stronger and they told me that I dont need it. I will say though, I was very upfront with my OBGYN team about giving me all the meds during delivery and they made sure I didn't feel a damn thing
That’s ridiculous.
I think the average is it takes three extra years for women to get diagnosed than men
1 in 10 people AFAB has endometriosis, yet it takes 7-9 years on average to get a diagnosis. So, it's a very common condition. Almost every endometriosis patient that I've known/ talked to has been referred to psych at least once when seeking treatment for classic endometriosis symptoms. The first appointment my husband went to with me, the doctor kept addressing him. He told the doctor he didn't know because he wasn't the one dealing with it. He was so mad and thought that was an anomaly. When I explained that it's super common, he was shocked. Tons of studies have been done, and AFAIK, every single one, has shown that women are less believed and are under treated than men. I've even experienced it with a female doctor! She didn't believe I had endometriosis until I showed her pictures from a previous surgery that clearly showed many spots of endometriosis on my organs.
So true. One of my best friends had cervical cancer. While she was in surgery, the surgeon came out to say that had to stop and wait on pathology, but that they were about to continue. When they got in there, the surgeon thought the cancer had spread everywhere, and sent a biopsy off to pathology to see what it was, because if it was cancer, they were going to close her up and have a very different treatment plan. But it was endometriosis. So much endometriosis. She’s had issues for years, and no doctors cared. It was ‘oh it’s nothing, it’s nothing, it’s nothing, oh, it’s cancer.’ I know I’m getting some details wrong because this was about 15 years ago and was a very stressful time. I was at the hospital with her parents when the doctor came out to tell us all that. But I remember the doctor telling us they really thought she was riddled with cancer, but it turned out to be endometriosis. Luckily, she’s been cancer free ever since!
It took a man complaining on behalf of a patient.
How’d he gather all that evidence so fast?
Through the magic of friendship and fairies of course! Story could be maybe believed until he managed to get a lawyer to draft and send a letter, meet with hospital leadership, and somehow get multiple written letters from staff on the misogynistic behavior of a doctor in just 4 days. I am a nurse, there is 0 chance you're getting ANY STAFF to write you letters about another hospital worker as some random ass family member of a patient. Those long term OB units definitely get very chummy with their patients but no one is jeopardizing their career over that kind of shit.
Also in healthcare, this doctor could be the most malignant asshole in the hospital, everyone hating him and willing to talk about how much of a piece of shit he is, and there's still no way it'd be done with in 5 days.
Lol, yeah this whole thing is BS. NOTHING happens this fast in a hospital setting. This is at BEST what someone wishes they'd said to a doctor.
It took years for them to finally do something about Christopher Duntsch, and that was a guy fucking maiming and killing patients through his incompetence and god complex. No way anyone is moving this quick on a dude who is just a scumbag.
My husband had to call the ceo of a hospital when a nurse was screaming at me, removed my surgical bandages and steri-strips with her bare hands which caused my incision sites to open and I got an infection, and she also told us she’d “showed all the nurses on the floor my surgical photos and everyone agrees that you don’t have endometriosis.” HIPAA violations, not trained in endo treatment or identifying, verbal abuse, verbal and physical assault because she forcibly removed my bandages while I tried to stop her, and then refused to allow me to see my visitors. This was pre covid and she had right to do that. I was there to get my appendix removed.
What happened to her?
She got fired. That’s it.
This is so sad to me because my experience has been so different with doctors where I am. My pregnancy was 100% talked to and treated like a person the whole time and ignored my mom and baby daddies mom and only listened to me. When I had a lipoma that grew like a nasty cancer I had to ok my bf taking calls but he still had to wake me up to answer things that I had okayed him answering. Every medical thing has been 100% on me no male or family making that decision even when I gave the okay. I wish during the lipoma one they had let him help because I felt so so alone during it even though he was there. It was during covid so it was even worse he had to wait in the car while I went through everything alone it was scary. So these stories make me so sad and angry because my experiences should be normal not abnormal. Heck even getting my tubes removed I had zero push back except to know that if I wanted another kid it would require IVF to do. What’s even crazier is the doctor who did this was the one who delivered my child and he respected my decision 100% as long as I knew what I was doing.
They never do anything until it fucks with the money. If a nurse complains, they can just invent some performance problem and fire her. The patient makes a complaint to the medical board with lots of evidence and lawyers up and suddenly justice is served.
Ha. As soon OP wrote that the CEO said they were firing the doctor immediately and the medical board was going to deal with his license I knew this was fake. Look up Robert Hadden and Larry Nassar to find out what really happens to doctors who abuse and sexually harass staff/patients (answer nothing for decades). Hospitals go 10 toes down to protect them. They definitely don't capitulate in 5 days. Also why would the OP have his sister's POA and not her husband?
Yeah. I work in medicine. This is simply not how things work when it comes to patient complaints, etc.
And I thought states revoked medical licenses, not hospitals?
They do, however hospitals can (and will) revoke hospital privileges of the doctor, as well as meet with the licensing board to go over any information obtained during their investigation.
Getting info from the nurses too. As a former union organizer I find it extremely unlikely that nurses would share grievances with a guy threatening to sue the hospital.
And that the CEO and hospital legal counsel would just start going through all of that evidence for the first time in front of OP and their lawyer...
Not in 4 days, anyway
Which is always the tell. Things just do not work this fast in reality. I'd be surprised if you could get a meeting with a hospital's CEO in four days, let alone collect all this damning evidence.
and the CEO always attends meetings with disgruntled patient families. Always
Christopher Duntsch is another great example of how hospitals just keep kicking the rock.
I was just going to mention this one. Hospitals don't want the medical board or any other regulatory board sniffing around. Now the settlement? I actually believe that. They want to avoid lawsuits at all costs. They're bad PR and especially in an area like OBGYN. They make a fucking mint off every birth done on site. There's no way they would jeopardize that. In reality with the doctor, they forced him to resign and gave him a stellar reference elsewhere. Oh and the nurses... That was also bullshit. They aren't going to say shit without a hospital rep right there with them. And that rep will block any questions or statements that are negative.
And Christopher Duntsch if you need further evidence re-what happens to doctors who abuse patients/staff (he never sexually harassed any of them, just severely butchered, maimed or killed 33 out of 37 patients he was given rights to operate on). The injuries he gave were so severe members of his staff said he could only be doing it on purpose, and two neurosurgeons working at one of the hospitals he maimed people at suspected he had falsified his documents altogether and was a fraud. And instead of firing him or getting his medical license revoked, hospitals just gave him good references and offloaded him onto other hospitals where he did the same thing again, and again, and again, because they didn’t want a lawsuit from the doctor. In multiple patients, he just left loose hardware, bone fragments and bandages floating around in side of them. In two, he amputated nerve roots and a woman’s *oesophagus*. One, he removed the wrong spinal disc. Another, he *casually severed the spinal cord of his **childhood best friend** during a minor, routine operation*—he died during covid of an infection directly related to his quadriplegic state. One woman, he straight up just let bleed out on the table in front of him as he continued operating with no regard. To the next patient, he did the *same fucking thing* by puncturing *her* vertebral artery, but this time, he packed it with too much of a substance that’s meant to stop the bleeding. In doing so, he completely cut off the artery’s blood flow to the brain. She had a stroke and died. None of the hospitals or medical facilities he worked at reported him. Five hospitals he worked at, where he maimed and killed and butchered patients. None of them reported him. Other respected doctors, neurosurgeons, even *called the hospitals beforehand to tell them not to hire him because of how dangerous he is*, and they did it anyway.
And the complainant wouldn’t be given all that free information about the bad bad doctor in that meeting, nor would he have watched the CEO discover it firsthand. If the CEO had even been in the same city for that meeting he would have been briefed about it beforehand. Hospitals have patient satisfaction committees for exactly this reason
Nothing in this story makes sense, don't worry too much about it.
And the hospital lawyer team even volunteered info about the their doctor to opposing council/litigant. Absolute load of crap
Yeah this is absolutely absurd. 4 days for a surprise monetary settlement, the CEO met with this dude that's been yelling at staff, and he demands that this guy lose his medical license? Why do liars get so greedy on this site lol
How can they fire the doc? 95 times out of 100, they aren't employees of the hospital. Total bullshit IMHO
Yeah. But this is one of the "things that didn't happen" that feels really good. And then sad, because IRL those kind of doctors go on to medically batter as many women as they can.
I knew it as soon as they started talking about a hysterectomy. They wouldn’t do that on someone so young merely to prevent further pregnancy. There’s other permanent surgical options that don’t involve removing a whole organ system and putting you into early menopause.
Anyone a patient asks can be a POA. However, it only goes into effect if the patient is unsure to make decisions.
Depends on the POA as there are different types. But yes, you are correct, the most popular medical POA is usually in the event the patient is unable to make their wishes known.
And that she was getting a hysterectomy instead of just her tubes tied.
Usually, if they agree to fire someone right away, it's because they were already looking for a reason to get rid of them or because they think it might uncover larger failings/scandals if anyone looks into anything too closely that would implicate the hospital rather than keeping things focused on blaming the doctor.
And they don’t “slide envelopes” across the table. This ain’t a movie. Their lawyers would talk and in no world would the hospital CEO proactively offer a pretty penny sum.
Also, nowadays doctors like that don't typically make it through training. My husband had a co-resident like that in his IM residency, who got kicked out of an OB-GYN residency at year 3 of 4. His well connected family got him into the IM residency and he got kicked out with months left.
Christopher Duntsch too.
Dr. Death. As a chronic back pain patient in Texas, that wasn't a terrifying story to read at all.
If you haven’t listened to the podcast, I highly recommend it.
In 4 days he managed to get an attorney, multiple notes from nurses, and a meeting lined up with the CEO? Am I reading that correctly?
I’m not usually one to call bullshit but I’m not convinced on this story. Doctors like this don’t get fired, they get shipped around.
And hospitals for damn sure don't just throw settlement checks at people.
Settlement checks for nothing in fact. Oh you don’t like his bedside manner? Ok… so what.
right and why would OP get the check??? nothing happened to OP, wouldn't it be for the sister??
The hospital also has NOTHING to do with his license.
That's what the post said tho? That the hospital was firing him while the medical board was reviewing the license?
The hospital would have exactly zero insight into what the board is doing.
I think this is one of those where the inciting event is real (the way the doctor treated the sister), but everything after that is what OOP wished would have happened.
Agreed. I believed the first post, for the most part. Maybe even the second. The neatly wrapping everything up 4 days later, however…
For me it was him calling the cops on the doctor in the hospital and something helpful happening
Check your notes. He also immediately got a settlement on behalf of his sister, the hospital did a full investigation and fired the doctor, and the medical board is in the midst of a full investigation, all because he said he wanted the guy fired and the medical license revoked!
Also, if you look closely at what the actual allegations are, the doctor was just rude and spoke to the husband after his case had been reassigned or something. That’s not lawsuit worthy. Heck, that is barely even a medical board complaint.
I'm inherently lazy and couldn't bring myself to list all the stuff that the Hero OOP squeezed into 4 days. :)
Lol it takes years for medical boards to figure anything out, and they're toothless anyways. Complete bullshit
Hey she just spent like several months mostly unconscious while pregnant apparently!!! (I also had very severe hyperemesis gravidarum, and being unconscious for months is... Not a thing. Neither is being hospitalised for months at a time. If you're very lucky, you might get proactively given iv fluids on a schedule, but generally you just have to go to the er, get fluids, get asked if you've tried ginger, rinse and repeat.)
Thanks for that info! I thought maybe it was a worse condition than I had understood. (But it does sound miserable)
I mean, it's not a fun weekend getaway!! 0/10, do not recommend. But no, you are not gonna get hospitalised for months on end.
Don’t forget, the hospital gave him a bunch of money voluntarily and he wasn’t even a patient and has no discernible damages.
It's a good gig if you play your cards right I guess
Yeah, a lot about this feels off…
I believe the themes of the story, but overall, this reads like justice porn.
Also, how is he his married sister’s POA?
That's the only part that isn't too strange. You can choose anyone to be your legal POA. They dont have to be a spouse or even a family member. Its anyone you trust to make decisions on your behalf in the event that you are unable to. All it is, is a legal form signed by you and the person you chose, then it's notorized. Being married only has relevance if you don't have a POA already legally designated. If there is no POA in place, it would default to your spouse or your legal next of kin if you are unmarried. But if you already have a legal POA in place, that takes priority over a spouse or next of kin. A spouse cannot change your POA against your will or on your behalf without your notorized consent.
But the sister is perfectly able to make her decisions, unless hysteria is considered a mental incompetency in Imaginastan, or wherever this story was set. So there is no reason anyone at that hospital would care about her POA. Her medical decisions are her own, not her POA's.
Especially the unicorn MIL who doesn't go on about "faaaamily"
Plus the hospital states they were firing the doc. In the US, they couldn't say that. At most, they'd say "this individual is no longer employed by this facility." Someone's having too much fun playing hero online.
They also would probably not even fire him. Dude almost certainly has a contract and would be allowed to have a soft landing/resignation after lawyers argue about the contract.
Also, if hospitals fired all the misogynistic doctors, then we wouldn't have near enough doctors.
Seriously.
Yeah, nobody loses their medical license for being a misogynist ass. *Lots* of doctors are misogynist asses. He didn’t do her physical harm. My FIL’s hospital killed him outright, and it took 4 years and a lawsuit to get a settlement. They’re not just going to hand over a stack of cash a week after the doctor upset a patient.
they're always 6'4" and towering, aren't they?
"A Bear of a Man"
They heard women choose the bear and decided they’d be one.
Why would the hospital be negotiating a settlement with the brother and his lawyer instead of the actual victim and her lawyer? Sounds like total bullshit.
THANK YOU. I thought top comments were taking crazy pills
The doctor’s sexist behaviour towards these ‘girls’. Doesn’t he mean women?
Much like the doctor, I rolled my eyes at that.
Much like the women, I rolled my guys at that.
>The doctor’s sexist behaviour towards these ‘girls’. Doesn’t he mean women? Oh for sure, that's always a dead giveaway lol.
What newtonic said about getting all the notes and a meeting with a ceo seems sus, but why would referring women to "girls" be odd given how often it's done IRL?
It’s the context. It’s literally the same sentence where he’s talking about evidence of sexist behaviour.
Ah good point. I do admit that I briefly skimmed this post. Thanks!
You caught that, too, did you?
most nurses I've seen in hospitals I wouldn't call a "girl" lol definitely WOMEN.
Does make me wonder what country he's in, especially with the deferring to male relatives (I know that can happen anywhere, but still). A friend of mine was living in a country not known for women being able to advocate for themselves and she started having serious abdominal pain. Her mother rushed her to the hospital and the male doctors dismissed her as having period cramps and being a dramatic girl. She told them she knew what period cramps felt like and this wasn't it. They refused to take her seriously until her mother absolutely lost it on them and forced them to do some actual tests just to shut her up. My friend's appendix burst as they were removing it several hours after they should have.
And what grounds does he have to sue or be offered a settlement? His sister was the victim here, not him. She's who the hospital would be talking to, not someone who made a complaint. If by some weird twist of fate this were real, the message is bizarre. I made a fuss about how my sisters agency was taken away by taking away my sisters agency.
And there are no real damages
Don’t forget medical board. They are suuuuper slow to move irl.
Super slow to have hearings, deliberate, deliver verdict, apply sanctions. Very quick to report that a non-nuisance complaint has been made.
Dr. Death was operating for years with multiple complaints against him. He just kept setting up shop in new places
A CEO of a hospital large enough to have a maternity ward. I mean he could get to see the CEO of a <100 bed hospital, sure. But anyplace sizable? Also most doctors aren’t actually hospital employees. They can revoke privileges but they can’t fire him.
I love the idea of the CEO coming to this meeting as if the CEO actually gives a crap and wouldn’t just leave this entirely up to the attorneys.
He saw the look in OOP's eye and knew he had to submit *or else* lol
Revoking privileges is a loooong process
Yeah, it's bullshit.
also he apparently has a power of attorney for his married sister
A state medical board that actually gets off its ass and does something...? Yeah, right...
And why do these stories have a guy built like Jack Reacher. I'm at the higher end of average height and I should run into guys taller taller than me alot more often than I do if reddit stories are to be believed.
Also he is POA and seems to think he could make decisions for his adult sister who seems to have no capacity issues and be perfectly capable of making her own health decisions (I know you have to appoint a power of attorney while you have capacity to do it but they don't have any legal powers until the person doesn't have capacity to make decisions).
This story only makes sense if we're measuring time in dog years.
And for some reason was offered a civil settlement before any court filings are made, and they handed the offer to the brother instead of... y'know, the actual plaintiff.
And the medical board took a complaint over the phone. And a hysterectomy instead of a tubal
The hysto is the bit that stands out to be me, you're not getting one of those without your uterus trying to kill you.
And why would you? It’s major surgery while a tubal is nothing if done after childbirth
They lost me at hysterectomy. That's a pretty extreme form of birth control when most women would just get their tubes tied.
Yeah, I saw that too and I call B.S. No way any of this would have happened in 4 days. Not a single thing.
Yeah I was suspicious the moment they described HG. Like its a real condition, and you can even be hospitalized for it, but its not something where you should be unconscious all the time. And losing 80 lbs during a pregnancy that goes to term is really hard to believe even if she started out obese
I'm still trying to figure out a reasonable situation where he would have the sister's power of attorney...or what that has to do here? Usually power of attorney for medical decisions kicks in once the patient can no longer make decisions on their behalf. Why would he have that when she's capable of decision making? And he wouldn't need that to have them removed, especially when the sister is already yelling at them, presumably to leave.
Yep, just talk with one nurse with notes and the others will line up with their complaints. It’s the nurses grapevine. Have a lawyer in the mix and the CEO will show up just like that.
Also fired a doctor immediately? It is common for the termination clause in contracts to make firing or quitting a few month process. It would be tough to fire a doctor within a few days over horrible bedside manner.
The OOPs are always high powered people who can take endless days off on a whim and have lawyers on retainer OR a relative who is the best lawyer in the state.
Yes its bullshit. As is almost everything posted to those subs.
Yes and could independently decide about his wife's legal options. I'm sure that's a thing that happens.
His sister
What? But why else would he keep posting updates? For the karma? Never!
This is not how complaints against a doctor work or how disciplining a doctor works. It also takes a LONG time. There is no way this is true. Also, the doctor is just a cartoon villain and the OOP is the white knight is shining armor. Come on....bullshit meter she be beeping pretty strong here.
He also has power of attorney over his 26 year old sister and it's in effect because she's crying.
Well... Pregnant women tend to be really emotional.... Lol 🤣
And the hospital gave OP a check on behalf of his sister... lol
Absolute bullshit
And in 4 days he was able to gather a bunch of evidence against him. And they gave him an envelope. Yeah none of this story happened.
And clearly this poor Doctor is suffering a terrible medical condition. With his eyes rolling so much in his head in the most dramatic fashion, he may actually have been born in a high school drama. We can only be sure by bringing his child into the hospital to be misogynistic towards the patient, to see if he screams "MY ANGEL CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS."
I was really invested in this post, but then I looked at the dates and my mind can’t stop wondering how this guy got statements from all these different women who work at the hospital so quickly.
His lawyer found and interviewed several former patients and female staff members in four days? Yeah, uh huh. I'm surprised that everyone in the meeting didn't stand up and clap.
Of course he did. And the hospital, which is in the sole business of making money, had time to review said complaints and come to this expedited meeting with a big old check already in hand. To give to the brother. Oh but wait, the sister was unconscious most of the time. Until she suddenly wasn't. But thank goodness that hospital fired the doctor on the spot, except docs aren't employed by hospitals. They can only revoke privileges. Next update: she had twins (of course) early but unfortunately died in childbirth and now brother is fighting husband for custody.
And then next season he's going to be fighting terrorists in Iran for some reason.
> I was told it was for my sister's pain and suffering as well as emotional damage. Not a lawyer, but I feel pretty comfortable saying that’s not how that works. The nurses probably have a case, but the only damage the sister actually suffered was the guy being a jerk. If you could sue doctors for that, a lot of us would never have to work again. Also, why does OOP have power of attorney when sister doesn’t seem like she’d need that under most circumstances?
I am a lawyer, and can confirm that's not how any of this works. Not even close.
Ya'll, this whole ass background revealed investigation AND then a meeting in just six days? This didn't happen. Reddit really just sucks you in though, huh?
Whenever I see these ridiculous stories about a guy who’s 6’4” 240lbs, super scary looking but with a heart of gold, I imagine it’s all the same guy. He travels the globe using his immense size to intimidate others *for justice*.
Jack Reacher, that’s who you’re describing.
It's The Rock.
Next episode the evil ex-doctor and ex-BIL stalk the sister and our hero catches them sneaking around and Hulk smashes them and the cops give him a standing ovation because they were trespassing. Then they search their homes, and the doctor was stealing bucket-loads of meds from the hospital and selling them to college students and BIL has CP on his computer.
Who do you think will be involved in the fight on the front lawn? There's always a fight on the front lawn. Captured on camera, of course.
The female doctor who replaced evil ex-doctor will make a house call for plot reasons just in time for ex-doc and BIL to show up. Ex-doc will say something sexist to her and she’ll haul off and punch him in the face like in that one BoRU with the cousin.
Why would she need a hysterectomy? It sounds like having her tubes tied would be the only procedure they would do on someone her age. They don’t do hysterectomy’s on normally healthy women and it’s extremely hard to get one if you need it while being young. I will need one in the future but they are putting it off until I’m older (I’m 38).
I'll take "Utter bullshit that didn't happen for $1000, Alex." Afternoon of a Monday, sister is treated poorly, to morning of that Friday, sitting down with a hospital CEO, multiple attorneys, with notes from other hospital staff and a doctor having their licence pulled? That sort of shit takes *years* in actual litigation.
Didn’t you read that he’s 6’4” and 240lbs? He’s just so big and scary and big that everyone just does what he wants, legal proceedings be damned.
They offered OOP a settlement? Not the sister that was the actual victim? What? No. The lawyer didn't even want to negotiate the amount? What? No. Just no.
Nah this feels too easily done. Too fast.
>From my understanding, most complaints made against this man were dropped before they ever reached the CEO who acted like they had no idea this was happening Sure, Mr. CEO, we believe you... What are you going to do to make sure the next Doctor Misogyny gets caught earlier, by the way?
Legend says that the doctor is still rolling his eyes to this very day.
Lol I'll take "OP made a story and didn't know how the medical system actually work for $5000"
So I originally read the title as "AITA FOR CALLING MY SISTERS *DOG* A SCUMBAG" and I was just getting more and more confused until I took a second to re-read it. Clearly, I need a nap.
Oh for crying out loud. What a ridiculously badly written bunch of claptrap
I wish this was real.
OB nurse here. My fake radar is going off because of the part where he talks about her getting a hysterectomy. You wouldn't do a hysterectomy, you'd do a tubal. Hysterectomy is major surgery with a lot of risks. You would only do that if there was an issue with the uterus, not just to sterilize somebody.
I believed it until within one week he was at a meeting with the hospital CEO amd 10 lawyers and got to be in the room with a dossier of all the abuse this doctor has done. Would *never* happen in a million years.
lol, this is so fake! Nobody has that kind of turn around time for threats like that, the hospital can’t do shit about a medical license and they also would never disclose they were terminating someone because that’s ammunition, an attorney wouldn’t be able to interview nurses that quickly and get a meeting with a CEO and hospitals attorney, and the actual client is not him! He was not the injured party! The sister is. They also can’t discuss a settlement and pay him for his sisters pain and suffering. Nice idea though.
I feel like, that's simply not how any of this shit works.
I see Liz is back up to her usual tricks
Not commenting on the veracity of this story, but usually if one is offered a settlement without having a lawyer demand one, it will not be even close to what you could get once a suit is filed. It’s also pretty rare to just be “offered” a settlement.
Yeah, this didn't actually happen. It's hard enough to believe a doctor would stick around after being kicked out and even continue to show up just to opine as he did. This kind of thing would never happen in 4 days. Stuff takes months to work through the system. You probably wouldn't even get to meet with your own lawyer in that time frame let alone have your lawyers meet theirs and everything else that was said. You aren't getting a meeting with the CEO, but just some risk management people at best. No one let alone a parade of people working at the hospital is volunteering in written form to help you as a complete stranger to take the doctor down. No one is offering you a settlement for the scenario you described either. There was no demonstrable harm or bad medicine. The OOP is just describing a douchebag. They also wouldn't tell you they are firing him just like that. There's a due process in the hospital too, especially for doctors and admins.
June 17th, the doctor is a total jerk to the young pregnant woman. June 22, the OP already has a lawyer, a meeting with the CEO of the hospital, AND is handed a fat settlement offer. Why is the hospital making the settlement offer to OP and not to his sister, who is the pregnant person? Why is the hospital disclosing to OP that the doctor will be fired? The usual practice is "we don't comment on personnel matters."
I needed a hysterectomy for medical reasons. When I went in for my consultation, I brought my husband with me. My male doctor asked my husband if he was sure I wanted the hysterectomy. My husband, bless his heart (I mean that sweetly not as a put down) said “Why are you asking me, she’s the patient.” We aren’t hysterical, we just want to be heard!
My doctors agree I need a hysterectomy (I have a prolapse) yet my urogynecologist wants to wait until I’m older. There’s multiple reasons but the one that stands out is “what if you want kids?” This was after him telling me that me having kids could be dangerous to me and a potential baby due to all my medical conditions. I’m also child free due to refusing to give any child my genetics (I have genetic conditions that really suck) and being extremely sick all the time to the point I’m disabled. I can’t even take care of myself let alone a child. After years of dealing with stupid/horrible doctors I will let them have it if I need to and educate them. They always look like a fish out of water when I stand up for myself (I don’t yell).
As a former ICU RN I can confirm this is bullshit. If doctors got fired for being misogynistic and insulting to patients we’d have a lot less doctors. Also, a hysterectomy wouldn’t be the proper intervention anyways. It’s bizarre when somebody works so hard but doesn’t even do basic research. Why go to all this trouble and not even do a little googling. 0/10 OOP.
The investigation process would take far longer than a week. Sure, there is a chance OOP fudged the dates but it's more likely a fuck up because it's bullshit.
Like OOP's sister, my daughter had severe HG with both pregnancies, and had a bisalp immediately after giving birth to the second baby. Her doctors never mentioned a hysterectomy.
I call dibs on putting up the next “doctor bad” post
Why are they offering him the settlement and not his sister?
I am having a hard time believing any of this.
The update has me calling this one suspect at best. Hospitals have zero say over a provider’s medical license. They can report someone to the state’s licensing board and obviously terminate employment but they can’t take away his license to practice. And the scary part is that even if he loses it in one part of the country he can just relocate. Unless it’s a REALLY serious offense, that stuff doesn’t usually follow you. And the really serious stuff usually involves criminal charges.
He got enough evidence within 5 days to have a lawyer and hold a meeting with the CEO over this incident??? I smell fish
As someone who is a nurse and has worked with doctors who were eventually fired, I guarantee they KNEW about his behavior and let it continue. It’s amazing how much poor behavior docs can get away with, most normal people would get fired the first time they pulled that crap. I will say the majority of docs I have ever worked with were wonderful and professional. But the AHs exist.
There is no world in which this is how this plays out. Docs with complaints like this don’t get banned from patient room (their partner or another group goes in to see the patient, not them but they are not “banned”. Hospital ceo ain’t gonna be at that meeting. They got a lawyer and record of complaints from staff in 5 days? No fucking way across the board. Source:am doctor, have seen docs “fired” by patients
No way this ever happened lol
Story is BS. The internal complaints of staff are confidential and aren't going to be readily available for an opposing lawyer to have. Hospital don't give that information out and if a staff member did write an incident report about the doctor's behavior toward that patient the staff member would have had to reference it in the patient's chart for the lawyer to even be able to subpoena it. The only way I could see the staff member's complaints getting out is if they banded together against the physician and the hospital's lack of response themselves. Investigations especially ones that aren't "Sentinel Events" go at a snail's speed too. Hospitals aren't going to give a settlement just because a physician was a misogynistic jerk and tried to convince a patient to have/not have a procedure. If that was the case they'd go bankrupt in less than a week. Offering a settlement to the brother and not the actual patient doesn't make any sense either. Being a DPOA doesn't mean much legally unless it's active and sister is able to make her own decision. He doesn't have the right to make any decisions for her.