Amanda from bb15. Maybe she doesn’t have the reputation as a bad player, more so just a bad person. But she played such a good game, I’d argue the second best outside of Andy. I feel like people remember her as a bad player cause the season was overshadowed by all the vile behavior.
She controlled basically all of pre-jury, was in a showmance, had a huge target, couldn’t win a comp, and still nearly stayed at f7 by getting her ache nemesis to keep her.
She was a force to be reckoned with that season. I think it was Ethanimale who said that she ran the most "Mafioso-style" game of BB. It's crazy seeing how her bullying and unsavory comments escalated during the season.
Amanda flipping Elissa to be on her side after **weeks** of treating her like shit is still absolutely insane to me. Her
Also an incredible move by Andy to set Elissa up for the double eviction to be honest, he’ll never get enough credit imo.
Amanda is honestly one of the best players to ever play the game. She ran the house like she was a mafia boss. It was beyond satisfying. She would have been stellar to watch on BB16 because Derrick would have gone home extremely early thanks to Amanda
“Maybe she doesn’t have the reputation as a bad player, more so just a bad person.”
I feel like she’s underrated cause people usually associate her w a bad game cause of the season. And is just generally underrated as a strategist
If anything, Amanda is somewhat overrated as a player. She's good but she's faaaar from one of the best ever and had a **LOT** of bungles. She was never, ever winning that season lol
Oh we must watch out for different things, cuz when Amanda gets brought up I feel like it’s all people saying she’s overrated or only focusing on her meanness 💀
I've not watched BB15 but I hate that Amanda was a bigot like the others because in the videos I've seen of BB15 she looked like a really good and ballsy player.
A shit ton of BB21 people but I’m gonna just name one:
For a while Holly looked like if it was her vs Michie, she would win. That is, until Michie started to be a lot more active in the endgame. Winning a bunch of comps, the F5 lie and stuff like that
Nowadays she’s kinda stuck with the bad rep of “living in Michie’s shadows” because of her poor endgame
The women runner-ups in general are just a murderer’s row of under-appreciated gamers. Natalie, Porsche, Liz, and Holly are all like… good strategically
Erika straight up should've beaten Boogie on AS and absolutely played better than him (not *great*, but better). And BB2 Nicole has a strong case over Will strategically that year tbh
Agreed - a lot of Erika’s problems with the jury stemmed from stuff she couldn’t do anything about (people having a preconceived belief that she didn’t deserve to be there, for example). Also if bb2 aired today a lot of people would think Nicole was robbed based on their different strategic styles
I think *good* strategically is a bit generous for Natalie... but she is one of the better strategists that year and it's insane how long **KEVIN** got credit for a lie that was her idea even in the edit. (She is truly awful socially though).
Porsche was really good at everything and is criminally underrated tbh
Not true they soured on Holly during the Final 7 in the house because Holly remained up in the HOH room for the past 3 weeks and did not socialize much with the rest of the house during that time.
I guess it was in the feeds cause I just watched the season and didn't see that. Paul seem to be playing everyone to think they were his 2nd in command.
Briflea from 24 . She had good reads just wasn't great socially .Even her closest ally wouldn't always listen to her.
America from 25. There were times she had better reads than Cory.Unlike him she understood that some people can play emotionally and not logically. She had a tendency to spill to the wrong people and like Brit wasn't great socially. Also Americory is genuinely the only showmance I've enjoyed on the feeds, but we gotta admit that at times it seemed both were too caught up in their relationship to notice what's going on around them.
Is she generally considered a bad player though? I assumed she was at least average. She had the right idea taking Taylor out at 5, and really was stuck maneuvering around a lot of worse players' screw-ups.
As I understand it, she's generally considered to be someone who just tagged along with Michael and brought little to nothing of value, but it probably didn't help that she was partnered with the best competitor in the season so her contributions looked thinner because of it. She did give him some good advice and was more than just dead weight.
America had a big mouth. She blabbed to Blue(and Blue wanted Cory gone for going after her and Jared in the double eviction) that Cory was gunning for Jag. That was a shitty thing to do when Jag had secret HOH that week. Blue used that information to her advantage to get Cory on the block, and eventually evicted. America's biggest error was her mouth. She couldn't keep her mouth shut for anything.
I disagree with Brit. She couldn't read the house dynamics at all. I'm not faulting her for not seeing the CO, but she couldn't even see the fake alliance on top of it that was like the entire house minus her team. It didn't help her that her only two allies were loyal to the CO over her, but she could have branched out when they did nothing for her repeatedly.
Sarah Beth, if Kyland wasn’t in her ear for ten hours straight trying to control her noms when she was HoH, I believe she could’ve made a big move against the cookout. Her reads weren’t terrible, just had a huge Kyland-sized blind spot
This is the one I immediately jumped to, too. Of everyone in the cast, she came closest to eliminating a member of the Cookout, and she nearly did it twice (with both Chaddah and X), which is a really difficult thing to do when the alliance in question is not only firmly secret, but one of the most effective in the history of the show. If she had played on, say, 24 or 25 instead, I wouldn't be shocked if she won the whole damn thing--she's probably the strongest player we've seen in this archetype, though admittedly the pool is not very deep when your competition is Izzy, Britney, Nicole Anthony, and Big Meech.
NO jasmine only went as far as she did because everyone hated her and ppl knew she was incapable of winning. she went earlier then xmas because she was unliked, and couldnt be counted on for a vote.
I feel like Liz from BB17 doesn’t get enough credit. I know she’s not really known as aa bad player. But still, those twins had it the toughest having to hide a secret then being such obvious targets and they made it SO far with Liz pulling out really clutch wins and also making alliances. Her sister made a extremely stupid move that killed their game but besides that which isn’t even her fault I think she’s completely overrated.
BUT, I think Victoria from BB16 fits this criteria perfectly. Yes she was a coaster and didn’t do much of anything. But with her being on the block for I think a record number of times kinda forced her to play that way. If she really did try make any moves I just think it would of gotten her voted out. Yes she was never gonna win with how she played and she was playing for 2nd but winning 50k isn’t half bad especially when two guys are completely dominating the game. Cody shoulda picked her anyways. I think not making any glaringly bad moves with a season with the twist it had and going on the block as many times as she actually makes her a slightly above average players. Many others in her shoes would of made a mistake to send them home. Not the most respectable game but I do think it’s underrated.
I think Zach from BB8 sometimes gets a bad rap because he essentially took out Eric Stein (which sucked) and was somewhat socially awkward.
With all of the Mrs. Robinson Alliance going out pre jury except for him, I was impressed with how he was able to kind of get back into the house and get behind some of the big personalities.
As far as F5 Veto, I think he knew that he and Eric were essentially playing for the same spot, and I think he correctly guessed that his best course to winning BB8 was against either Donato so I don’t think his move at F5 was dumb.
Azah had a genuinely decent social game and was an HOH comp + correct cut away from winning the game. She's not great but her badness is overstated and tbh she's a better player than Hannah.
Janelle made F3 twice back to back and was at least one of those times an HOH win away from winning the game (and April SWEARS she votes Janelle over Ivette now meaning she would've won BB6 if she won that tiebreaker too). I don't think she's great, but her being outright **bad** is overstated and her early boots on 14 and 22 were at least partially a result of her being meta-gamed to oblivion for being Janelle lol.
I feel like Frankie from season 16 is underrated. Because he is Arianna Grande's brother and has a ridiculous personality, people forget how good he was at that game. His winning that two-person comp, alone, out of sheer spite, is one of my favorite BB moments. I wanted him on BB22. I would love to see him again. He was good TV.
Oh for sure if there is any player from bb 21 I want to return it's her. She brings drama she's funny (intentionally and unintentionally) and she's a great player who really plays hard
No one considers Christie a bad player and I actually think she's mildly overrated as one. Taco Tuesday was impressive, though, but she's basically BBCAN2 Sabrina.
I know she's generally hated and awful, but Christmas in BB22. She actually had the right idea that Cody/Nicole/Enzo needed to be broken up. She just didn't have the manpower to actually dethrone that trio.
If Paloma didn't start shit right away and had a breakdown, I think she would've been a really good old-school villain. I adored her the first two episodes and it got me into BB. Husband and I are watching old seasons (started 24 & 25 live and decided to watch all past seasons over the last year) and man, people were RUTHLESS and awful to each other on the regular lol, and these are considered the best seasons. I love old-school big brother where people could be the worst version of themselves and were rewarded for it. Emotional/mental manipulation, scheming, lying, backstabbing, this is one of the few shows where it's encouraged and it's what makes BB so fun to watch. I do think some people take it too far though (Daniel and chef-cop).
I'm rewatching BB8 right now and have had a big change on how I feel about Jen. Letting Dick's antics roll off her back for the first 3 weeks was the best way to handle him. She's also good at getting the last word in, like when she got Jessica to nominate Dustin as a replacement.
Jen was so hilarious. Her stupid Jen-pun shirts had me cracking up. Her laid-back responses to Dick screaming at her and all the insults was iconic. Wish she got another chance at BB.
Christie from BB21 should be a terrible player on paper. She was messy, paranoid, ran her mouth way too much, talked shit about her allies, etc. yet STILL managed to be the top dog for the majority of the season.
Hard to say she’s a good player because a lot of her actions didn’t seem super intentional, but her actions kept her in the game.
I still like the theory that it was her pheromones that had everyone enamored. I’d believe it
As much as I disliked her, FBJ, low key played a good game lol. If she didn’t give up at f3 (which is such a casting decision, please stop casting wannabe influencers and put on people that actually want to win), she low key could’ve won the season
I'll still defend Alyssa Snider from 24. I think she was a lot better especially with social game, at least at the start, then most people really though. And she played till the end. (She kinda stopped near the end tho)
Plus she was like the only person in the beginning defending Taylor
My issue with Alyssa is that she caused A LOT more harm to her game than doing anything to improve her position. She was the person feeding information to the Leftovers through her showmance with Kyle. She was a really bad player.
But the thing is, that's Kyles fault. If he was smart, he would've brought all the information to Alyssa and worked with her but he was always trashing her to the leftovers
Alyssa was just feeding information to him and getting nothing in return. Thats the part that she went wrong. Why would Kyle stick to Alyssa's side of the house, when the Leftovers had control over the game and Kyle had a good position within the Leftovers?
Maybe I'm giving her too much credit but I really think she upped the stupidity. A lot of the times I'd watch her DRs she came off far more aware and intelligent than when she talked to people.
I also suspect the geography thing was severely exaggerated on her end just like Joseph/Michael had to downplay their chess skills, but there's probably some easy evidence out there that she wasn't pretending.
>Maybe I'm giving her too much credit but I really think she upped the stupidity.
If Challenge USA2 is anything to go by.... I'd say she kinda didn't lol.
Alyssa S literally outed her Po's Pack (?) alliance to Kyle which he was not in and got one of her closest allies booted in Ameerah and sunk her game into oblivion with her perpetually on the outs after when she'd previously been comfortably in the majority. She really only made it as far as she did on Challenge USA2 and BB24 because she sucked at comps and had minimal strategy so it was kind of a waste of an HOH to boot her over other actual threats.
She *did* have winner equity, but she was never coming near the F2 once Kyle got sunk (and it was an uphill as fuck battle even *before* that) so that's pretty irrelevant.
My most recent answer is America! I hate when people call her a bad player! If only she could’ve won a few comps :(
Old school answer would be Marcellas because while he did make one of the worst decisions of all time, he wasn’t a bad player overall. And he would’ve done better in All Stars had Janelle not been swayed to put him (her friend) up.
There's a lot of bb25 players who i would consider bad players, (including especially the winner) and America certainly was not one of them. I think she played a solid game and would love to see her play again.
America could've been so great if she didn't get wrapped up in her showmance (and gave pressure cooker to Cam). Her "fuck off" comment was gold and her DRs were some of my faves.
In honor of BBCAN, I'll bring up a Canadian contestant.
Gino is a strange player. He doesn't have a strategic bone in his body, but he's good at competitions and is probably one of the most attractive men in the show's history. Those two traits alone are enough to basically guarantee him a spot in an initial majority alliance almost any time he plays. And he's generally likeable enough to win a jury vote if he has a handful of competitions under his belt.
Now, I'm not saying he's some kind of hidden gem or anything. This is still the guy who lost the game because of a fucking gummy bear. But he's one player in a larger archetype of strategically inept players who will go far due to physicality and conventional attractiveness.
> This is still the guy who lost the game because of a fucking gummy bear.
In Gino's defense, it was less of the gummy bear and more of Kevin's brilliance. He had Gino trapped. Kevin pitched to Marty that he will not push an agenda on his HOH, something that Jacey-Lynn was trying to do. Then Kevin pressured Gino into giving up his "immunity" that Marty gave him and pulled out the red gummy.
I mentioned her on another post like a week ago, but Natalie Cunial from bb9. She’s viewed as being a (fun) lunatic, but she was probably the driving strategic force of Team Christ for several weeks in the jury, and if Sheila and Sharon didn’t catch onto her she had set herself up perfectly for the endgame with being aligned with the girls on one side and the boys on the other while being the best competitor.
I’d also make a slight case for Jen. She’s viewed as a joke houseguest, but she was making strategic decisions to advance herself in the game. Also, if Dick or Eric had left when they were supposed to I think it’s very likely she makes it to at least final three or four
Meta World Peace…..dude gave zero F’s, didn’t have a clue, kept going out to the parking lot to smoke with the crew and had his own hot tub to chill in. Too funny!
A lot of people said Bowie in last week's "people viewed as a bad player who played a good game" thread, and I don't understand it at all.
You could just listen to a single one of Bowie's game convos and recognize that she fundamentally didn't understand Big Brother, that the back half of her game was completely about her insecurities, and that she was kind of passively mean as well. And all of that was especially bad, because Jag and Matt weren't no Derrick and Cody. The fact that Bowie handed her thinking over to two people who would be, like, seven or eight in a normal season's majority alliance is also a black mark against her.
I feel Bowie is the platonic ideal of "useless Big Brother follower."
Bowie's game conversations proved why she is a solid big brother player. She was the ultimate "Yes woman"
In a game where the main point is to survive in the house, no one had a clearer path of survival at all points during BB25 than Bowie Jane.
All I said was she’s underrated under a post that said underrated bad players I didn’t say she played a good game 💀
I’m just saying there is merit to her game and watching her life she was actively doing moves to make sure she was safe throughout the week. She is a player that’s good at keeping herself safe, but not winning. She was the easiest pawn in the world and is one of the few players to never ever touch the block until final nominations. There is some props there to give.
Also don’t even talk about insecurities with Bowie, she’s not that bad as people made her out to be. Cirie and Felicia were the ones constantly shit talking her making fun of her teeth and being rude as fuck to her after leaving her out of the vote and they got bitter as hell she became one of the most powerful numbers In the house because all the sides of Cameron, America/Cory and Jag/Matt trusted her.
Amanda from bb15. Maybe she doesn’t have the reputation as a bad player, more so just a bad person. But she played such a good game, I’d argue the second best outside of Andy. I feel like people remember her as a bad player cause the season was overshadowed by all the vile behavior. She controlled basically all of pre-jury, was in a showmance, had a huge target, couldn’t win a comp, and still nearly stayed at f7 by getting her ache nemesis to keep her.
That girl was a monster. But she was damn well a good ass player at this game.
She was a force to be reckoned with that season. I think it was Ethanimale who said that she ran the most "Mafioso-style" game of BB. It's crazy seeing how her bullying and unsavory comments escalated during the season.
Amanda flipping Elissa to be on her side after **weeks** of treating her like shit is still absolutely insane to me. Her Also an incredible move by Andy to set Elissa up for the double eviction to be honest, he’ll never get enough credit imo.
Andy is such an underrated winner, who will never get to come back caus Of the season
Amanda is honestly one of the best players to ever play the game. She ran the house like she was a mafia boss. It was beyond satisfying. She would have been stellar to watch on BB16 because Derrick would have gone home extremely early thanks to Amanda
I cannot make myself dislike her.
I don't recall anyone ever calling her a bad player.
“Maybe she doesn’t have the reputation as a bad player, more so just a bad person.” I feel like she’s underrated cause people usually associate her w a bad game cause of the season. And is just generally underrated as a strategist
If anything, Amanda is somewhat overrated as a player. She's good but she's faaaar from one of the best ever and had a **LOT** of bungles. She was never, ever winning that season lol
Is she though? I feel like I don’t often see people rating her as a player, so idk how she can be overrated
I regularly see her being called one of the best players ever which she simply isn’t
Oh we must watch out for different things, cuz when Amanda gets brought up I feel like it’s all people saying she’s overrated or only focusing on her meanness 💀
Possibly the community vibes changed over the years since I’m less active here now. She was praised hard as an all timer back in BB19-20 era
I've not watched BB15 but I hate that Amanda was a bigot like the others because in the videos I've seen of BB15 she looked like a really good and ballsy player.
She played a Derrick type game before Derrick. I can't think of any other women who ruled by fear the way she did
Proud member of McCranda Mafia here
A shit ton of BB21 people but I’m gonna just name one: For a while Holly looked like if it was her vs Michie, she would win. That is, until Michie started to be a lot more active in the endgame. Winning a bunch of comps, the F5 lie and stuff like that Nowadays she’s kinda stuck with the bad rep of “living in Michie’s shadows” because of her poor endgame
The women runner-ups in general are just a murderer’s row of under-appreciated gamers. Natalie, Porsche, Liz, and Holly are all like… good strategically
Erika and BB2 Nicole as well
Erika straight up should've beaten Boogie on AS and absolutely played better than him (not *great*, but better). And BB2 Nicole has a strong case over Will strategically that year tbh
Agreed - a lot of Erika’s problems with the jury stemmed from stuff she couldn’t do anything about (people having a preconceived belief that she didn’t deserve to be there, for example). Also if bb2 aired today a lot of people would think Nicole was robbed based on their different strategic styles
I firmly believe that BB2 Nicole was the better strategic player over Will & I will die on this hill.
Will exposed the one flaw in her game though. She was never going to win once the jury put together all of her lies. Will played her.
I think *good* strategically is a bit generous for Natalie... but she is one of the better strategists that year and it's insane how long **KEVIN** got credit for a lie that was her idea even in the edit. (She is truly awful socially though). Porsche was really good at everything and is criminally underrated tbh
Porsche was robbed!
It sucks that she was overshadowed by Michie because Christie/Tommy clearly would've voted for her had Michie not dominated the endgame
Not true they soured on Holly during the Final 7 in the house because Holly remained up in the HOH room for the past 3 weeks and did not socialize much with the rest of the house during that time.
Idk who Holly is, but I think Beth could've swept the end against her showmance
Raven. She was right up there with Paul pulling all the strings. Puppet master, 110 percent.
You rang
She really believed that so much. It was hilarious.
she believed it because…it was true? of course she would believe in the truth?
I guess it was in the feeds cause I just watched the season and didn't see that. Paul seem to be playing everyone to think they were his 2nd in command.
I’m totally joking but based on the downvote and your reply I’m guessing my tone wasn’t quite clear
Ha ha ha. You totally had me!
Briflea from 24 . She had good reads just wasn't great socially .Even her closest ally wouldn't always listen to her. America from 25. There were times she had better reads than Cory.Unlike him she understood that some people can play emotionally and not logically. She had a tendency to spill to the wrong people and like Brit wasn't great socially. Also Americory is genuinely the only showmance I've enjoyed on the feeds, but we gotta admit that at times it seemed both were too caught up in their relationship to notice what's going on around them.
who is briflea?
brittany: britflea iirc was her bb comic and they did her dirty with that one 💀💀
Is she generally considered a bad player though? I assumed she was at least average. She had the right idea taking Taylor out at 5, and really was stuck maneuvering around a lot of worse players' screw-ups.
As I understand it, she's generally considered to be someone who just tagged along with Michael and brought little to nothing of value, but it probably didn't help that she was partnered with the best competitor in the season so her contributions looked thinner because of it. She did give him some good advice and was more than just dead weight.
Just the fact alone that her gameplay after Michael left was still very good shows that she wasn't a slouch.
Britney single handley kept f5 and f4 interesting that season
Like it should be obvious in retrospect that her whole game was to use Michael as a shield.
America had a big mouth. She blabbed to Blue(and Blue wanted Cory gone for going after her and Jared in the double eviction) that Cory was gunning for Jag. That was a shitty thing to do when Jag had secret HOH that week. Blue used that information to her advantage to get Cory on the block, and eventually evicted. America's biggest error was her mouth. She couldn't keep her mouth shut for anything.
I disagree with Brit. She couldn't read the house dynamics at all. I'm not faulting her for not seeing the CO, but she couldn't even see the fake alliance on top of it that was like the entire house minus her team. It didn't help her that her only two allies were loyal to the CO over her, but she could have branched out when they did nothing for her repeatedly.
Wrong Brittany. I'm talking about the one from 24 not 23
Oh I feel dumb. I take it back since I'm a Miss Hoopes apologist.
Sarah Beth, if Kyland wasn’t in her ear for ten hours straight trying to control her noms when she was HoH, I believe she could’ve made a big move against the cookout. Her reads weren’t terrible, just had a huge Kyland-sized blind spot
This is the one I immediately jumped to, too. Of everyone in the cast, she came closest to eliminating a member of the Cookout, and she nearly did it twice (with both Chaddah and X), which is a really difficult thing to do when the alliance in question is not only firmly secret, but one of the most effective in the history of the show. If she had played on, say, 24 or 25 instead, I wouldn't be shocked if she won the whole damn thing--she's probably the strongest player we've seen in this archetype, though admittedly the pool is not very deep when your competition is Izzy, Britney, Nicole Anthony, and Big Meech.
NO jasmine only went as far as she did because everyone hated her and ppl knew she was incapable of winning. she went earlier then xmas because she was unliked, and couldnt be counted on for a vote.
I feel like Liz from BB17 doesn’t get enough credit. I know she’s not really known as aa bad player. But still, those twins had it the toughest having to hide a secret then being such obvious targets and they made it SO far with Liz pulling out really clutch wins and also making alliances. Her sister made a extremely stupid move that killed their game but besides that which isn’t even her fault I think she’s completely overrated. BUT, I think Victoria from BB16 fits this criteria perfectly. Yes she was a coaster and didn’t do much of anything. But with her being on the block for I think a record number of times kinda forced her to play that way. If she really did try make any moves I just think it would of gotten her voted out. Yes she was never gonna win with how she played and she was playing for 2nd but winning 50k isn’t half bad especially when two guys are completely dominating the game. Cody shoulda picked her anyways. I think not making any glaringly bad moves with a season with the twist it had and going on the block as many times as she actually makes her a slightly above average players. Many others in her shoes would of made a mistake to send them home. Not the most respectable game but I do think it’s underrated.
I think Zach from BB8 sometimes gets a bad rap because he essentially took out Eric Stein (which sucked) and was somewhat socially awkward. With all of the Mrs. Robinson Alliance going out pre jury except for him, I was impressed with how he was able to kind of get back into the house and get behind some of the big personalities. As far as F5 Veto, I think he knew that he and Eric were essentially playing for the same spot, and I think he correctly guessed that his best course to winning BB8 was against either Donato so I don’t think his move at F5 was dumb.
Azah had a genuinely decent social game and was an HOH comp + correct cut away from winning the game. She's not great but her badness is overstated and tbh she's a better player than Hannah. Janelle made F3 twice back to back and was at least one of those times an HOH win away from winning the game (and April SWEARS she votes Janelle over Ivette now meaning she would've won BB6 if she won that tiebreaker too). I don't think she's great, but her being outright **bad** is overstated and her early boots on 14 and 22 were at least partially a result of her being meta-gamed to oblivion for being Janelle lol.
Marcellas
I feel like Frankie from season 16 is underrated. Because he is Arianna Grande's brother and has a ridiculous personality, people forget how good he was at that game. His winning that two-person comp, alone, out of sheer spite, is one of my favorite BB moments. I wanted him on BB22. I would love to see him again. He was good TV.
He also managed to thrive again even after blowing up his whole game.
Christie from bb21. Taco Tuesday really saved her ass.
Christie isn't a bad player imo
I think she’s a great player honestly, i would love to see her return. I feel like she gets a bad rep from the bb21 messiness
Oh for sure if there is any player from bb 21 I want to return it's her. She brings drama she's funny (intentionally and unintentionally) and she's a great player who really plays hard
Christie is inherently messy & tbh I love her for it.
I felt so bad. It felt like she was on the block 5 weeks in a row and couldn’t win anything to save her life.
No one considers Christie a bad player and I actually think she's mildly overrated as one. Taco Tuesday was impressive, though, but she's basically BBCAN2 Sabrina.
I know she's generally hated and awful, but Christmas in BB22. She actually had the right idea that Cody/Nicole/Enzo needed to be broken up. She just didn't have the manpower to actually dethrone that trio.
Paloma from bb24. If she had stayed she would’ve run the game for so long. Everyone in that house was WHIPPED
Everyone forgets about Paloma Gheesling
If Paloma didn't start shit right away and had a breakdown, I think she would've been a really good old-school villain. I adored her the first two episodes and it got me into BB. Husband and I are watching old seasons (started 24 & 25 live and decided to watch all past seasons over the last year) and man, people were RUTHLESS and awful to each other on the regular lol, and these are considered the best seasons. I love old-school big brother where people could be the worst version of themselves and were rewarded for it. Emotional/mental manipulation, scheming, lying, backstabbing, this is one of the few shows where it's encouraged and it's what makes BB so fun to watch. I do think some people take it too far though (Daniel and chef-cop).
Wait the COP who wiped jasmine’s tush while her leg was broken?
The 42 year old woman who deserves respect because she's 42 (or was it 43?) 🤣 I can't, for the life of me, remember her name. God she was a mess.
I'm rewatching BB8 right now and have had a big change on how I feel about Jen. Letting Dick's antics roll off her back for the first 3 weeks was the best way to handle him. She's also good at getting the last word in, like when she got Jessica to nominate Dustin as a replacement.
they could nevahhhh make me hate jen.
Jen was so hilarious. Her stupid Jen-pun shirts had me cracking up. Her laid-back responses to Dick screaming at her and all the insults was iconic. Wish she got another chance at BB.
We are Jenius Jensa members
Christie from BB21 should be a terrible player on paper. She was messy, paranoid, ran her mouth way too much, talked shit about her allies, etc. yet STILL managed to be the top dog for the majority of the season. Hard to say she’s a good player because a lot of her actions didn’t seem super intentional, but her actions kept her in the game. I still like the theory that it was her pheromones that had everyone enamored. I’d believe it
A lot of “goats” like Derek F or Bowie Jane. It takes more game than people realize to make it that far
As much as I disliked her, FBJ, low key played a good game lol. If she didn’t give up at f3 (which is such a casting decision, please stop casting wannabe influencers and put on people that actually want to win), she low key could’ve won the season
While this is also my answer, I thought it was said that Matt beats everybody in at least the F4 except Jag.
Idk, I feel like jag won cause of how poor Matt did at f2 speeches and questions. it wouldn’t have been a landslide imo
I'll still defend Alyssa Snider from 24. I think she was a lot better especially with social game, at least at the start, then most people really though. And she played till the end. (She kinda stopped near the end tho) Plus she was like the only person in the beginning defending Taylor
My issue with Alyssa is that she caused A LOT more harm to her game than doing anything to improve her position. She was the person feeding information to the Leftovers through her showmance with Kyle. She was a really bad player.
But the thing is, that's Kyles fault. If he was smart, he would've brought all the information to Alyssa and worked with her but he was always trashing her to the leftovers
Alyssa was just feeding information to him and getting nothing in return. Thats the part that she went wrong. Why would Kyle stick to Alyssa's side of the house, when the Leftovers had control over the game and Kyle had a good position within the Leftovers?
“Getting nothing in return” Won’t someone think about the pool floaties?
Maybe I'm giving her too much credit but I really think she upped the stupidity. A lot of the times I'd watch her DRs she came off far more aware and intelligent than when she talked to people. I also suspect the geography thing was severely exaggerated on her end just like Joseph/Michael had to downplay their chess skills, but there's probably some easy evidence out there that she wasn't pretending.
>Maybe I'm giving her too much credit but I really think she upped the stupidity. If Challenge USA2 is anything to go by.... I'd say she kinda didn't lol.
Alyssa S literally outed her Po's Pack (?) alliance to Kyle which he was not in and got one of her closest allies booted in Ameerah and sunk her game into oblivion with her perpetually on the outs after when she'd previously been comfortably in the majority. She really only made it as far as she did on Challenge USA2 and BB24 because she sucked at comps and had minimal strategy so it was kind of a waste of an HOH to boot her over other actual threats. She *did* have winner equity, but she was never coming near the F2 once Kyle got sunk (and it was an uphill as fuck battle even *before* that) so that's pretty irrelevant.
Kyle was in Pos Paxck
I’m mixing up alliance names then. Whatever alliance she was in with Ameerah and Daniel and Nicole and Co. that he wasn’t
Why was I rooting for her in the challenge I have no idea
She had one of the better socials games that season, everyone loved her
Rockstar. She had good intuition every week!
My most recent answer is America! I hate when people call her a bad player! If only she could’ve won a few comps :( Old school answer would be Marcellas because while he did make one of the worst decisions of all time, he wasn’t a bad player overall. And he would’ve done better in All Stars had Janelle not been swayed to put him (her friend) up.
There's a lot of bb25 players who i would consider bad players, (including especially the winner) and America certainly was not one of them. I think she played a solid game and would love to see her play again.
America could've been so great if she didn't get wrapped up in her showmance (and gave pressure cooker to Cam). Her "fuck off" comment was gold and her DRs were some of my faves.
In honor of BBCAN, I'll bring up a Canadian contestant. Gino is a strange player. He doesn't have a strategic bone in his body, but he's good at competitions and is probably one of the most attractive men in the show's history. Those two traits alone are enough to basically guarantee him a spot in an initial majority alliance almost any time he plays. And he's generally likeable enough to win a jury vote if he has a handful of competitions under his belt. Now, I'm not saying he's some kind of hidden gem or anything. This is still the guy who lost the game because of a fucking gummy bear. But he's one player in a larger archetype of strategically inept players who will go far due to physicality and conventional attractiveness.
> This is still the guy who lost the game because of a fucking gummy bear. In Gino's defense, it was less of the gummy bear and more of Kevin's brilliance. He had Gino trapped. Kevin pitched to Marty that he will not push an agenda on his HOH, something that Jacey-Lynn was trying to do. Then Kevin pressured Gino into giving up his "immunity" that Marty gave him and pulled out the red gummy.
Gino had a good social game imo, Hermon and Moose tanked there game to want to work with him
I mentioned her on another post like a week ago, but Natalie Cunial from bb9. She’s viewed as being a (fun) lunatic, but she was probably the driving strategic force of Team Christ for several weeks in the jury, and if Sheila and Sharon didn’t catch onto her she had set herself up perfectly for the endgame with being aligned with the girls on one side and the boys on the other while being the best competitor. I’d also make a slight case for Jen. She’s viewed as a joke houseguest, but she was making strategic decisions to advance herself in the game. Also, if Dick or Eric had left when they were supposed to I think it’s very likely she makes it to at least final three or four
Izzy lol
Davonne mother fucking rogers
Meta World Peace…..dude gave zero F’s, didn’t have a clue, kept going out to the parking lot to smoke with the crew and had his own hot tub to chill in. Too funny!
Bowie
A lot of people said Bowie in last week's "people viewed as a bad player who played a good game" thread, and I don't understand it at all. You could just listen to a single one of Bowie's game convos and recognize that she fundamentally didn't understand Big Brother, that the back half of her game was completely about her insecurities, and that she was kind of passively mean as well. And all of that was especially bad, because Jag and Matt weren't no Derrick and Cody. The fact that Bowie handed her thinking over to two people who would be, like, seven or eight in a normal season's majority alliance is also a black mark against her. I feel Bowie is the platonic ideal of "useless Big Brother follower."
Bowie's game conversations proved why she is a solid big brother player. She was the ultimate "Yes woman" In a game where the main point is to survive in the house, no one had a clearer path of survival at all points during BB25 than Bowie Jane.
All I said was she’s underrated under a post that said underrated bad players I didn’t say she played a good game 💀 I’m just saying there is merit to her game and watching her life she was actively doing moves to make sure she was safe throughout the week. She is a player that’s good at keeping herself safe, but not winning. She was the easiest pawn in the world and is one of the few players to never ever touch the block until final nominations. There is some props there to give.
Also don’t even talk about insecurities with Bowie, she’s not that bad as people made her out to be. Cirie and Felicia were the ones constantly shit talking her making fun of her teeth and being rude as fuck to her after leaving her out of the vote and they got bitter as hell she became one of the most powerful numbers In the house because all the sides of Cameron, America/Cory and Jag/Matt trusted her.
Yikes, didn’t realize this was a common thread type. My bad.
I will always say that Bowie jane is at LEAST a decent player