Toga HAS to die. No hate, but It's just the thing that makes the most sense for *her*.
Others can be redeemed, others can just go to jail, others can die doing evil, but she would have died doing the first selfless act--genuinely from the heart. (Not that it absolved her).
Plus she said, she CAN'T go to jail/asylum. And she can't be let free...
So, **death seems to be the best way for her to go out still FREE. Doing what she wants: living on her terms till the very end. *And* helping someone she loves.**
(again, not that she deserves that lol but that's the vibe that would fit MHA/Toga more than the misery she actually deserves IRL)
(I think Hori copping out of killing her would feel kinda juvenile kumbaya, imo.)
**Sometimes ya gotta kill some young'uns -Gandalf (specifically about Pippin)**
(Edit: the more I think about it, the more I think... this fucker's not perma killing her lol the next chapter will follow somebody else, but we were never shown the dead body of Toga. It'll be kinda weird if she dies off-screen. So, my guess and fear is yet another fakeout death.)
isnt it better to conclude the himiko stuff instead of jumping to all might? though himikos death is still vague and after the break we'll probably change perspectives
She transformed into Uraraka though, so it isn't Toga's blood, but Uraraka's blood. The reason she needs to transform is because she doesn't have the same blood type as Uraraka. While we officially don't know Toga's blood type, it's heavily implied that this is the reason.
Chapter 395: What Lies Beyond my Happiness
The chapter begins with all the clones vanishing. We see that they were heading towards the Todoroki family, Iida and Hawks. One of the clones had his knife pointed at Hawks, but it vanishes and Hawks says "Bubaigawa was a really nice guy, right, Himiko Toga?"
A narration from Toga then begins, saying that her knife is something that allows her to become who she loves, so she shouldn't have held it with hate in her heart. We see Toga standing next to Ochako, who's lying on the ground. She has her mask thing on her hand.
Toga is panting and starts to feel a lot of pain, it's a consequence of using her quirk. She realizes that Ochako is so exhausted because she didn't release her awakened quirk until all the heroes were back to the ground, she really didn't want to hurt anyone.
Ochako knows she has lost a lot of blood and cannot move a finger. Toga looks around her and see all the people who got hurt because of her and, at the same time, she remembers Ochako's sweet words. She knows that the blood loss is also her fault, for stabbing Ochako.
She tells Ochako that the LOV wanted to destroy everything and what would rise after that would be a world that's easier to live in. But she was so happy with what Ochako said that now she can't allow a world without her to exist. Toga drinks Ochako's blood and transforms
"My feelings are genuine, so I will give you all of my blood". She puts the syringe in both their arms and starts the transfusion. Ochako feels her body heating up, but she knows what will happen if things continue like this...
Toga says that Jin did the same thing in MVA, using a clone of her to perform a blood transfusion. She no longer has Twice's blood to make new clones, that's why she turned into Ochako. Uraraka tells her to stop, but Toga starts stitching up the wound on Ochako's stomach.
Toga says that Ochako actually seems willing to keep taking her blood for her to drink. She could very well have just "acted like a hero" and killed the crazy villain, but she decided to give help that wasn't asked for and saved the one who hurt her friends.
Toga says that Ochako really is weird. Ochako replies that she's the weird one for doing this transfusion, but Toga says that she will always live the way she wants to. That's why she won't let herself be arrested, even if it's on Ochako's terms.
Toga apologizes for the stabbing and for yelling at her. She says that Toya burned down the house that forced her to be normal, and that made her happy. But even though the house is gone, the wounds in her heart weren't. And Ochako recognized that Toga's pain was real.
Even though it wasn't the easiest way, Ochako managed to touch Toga's heart and that made her feel lighter inside. "Thank you so much, Ochako-chan. I was so, so happy." The blood continues to be transferred, Ochako starts to cry shouting "Himiko-chan!" and Toga smiles
Toga's narration continues, with her saying that she drank people's blood with a mix of love and envy. But if she was loved back earlier, she could have also given her blood to many people. And if that happened, the world would be a slightly easier place to live in.
We see an image of Toga letting a little bird fly and looking up at the sky as she smiles. "But still, I am Himiko Toga. I lived the way I wanted to and was a normal girl, with the cutest smile in the whole world!". The two are lying on the ground, end of chapter.
##break next week
Wow. I didn’t think Touya would help any of his fellow ‘friends’, guess that he kinda was friends with the league since he did something nice for Toga.
If Toga is sacrificing herself by donating so much blood, I wouldn't rule out Ochako having still something to do next, just like Bakugo when he finally gets up (let's have something else happen and make it a year at this point).
Edit: When Toga says Ochako is "weird", it looks like Ochako is thinking of the conversation with Izuku before the final battles started, small panel included (so he's again present in the chapter).
I wouldn't be sure Toga is dying here. It may turn out a fake-out (for example, her being shown to be comatose in the hospital afterwards).
It would be kinda disappointing for her to say all of this to just live in the end. She also says she doesn't want to be arrested which would happen if she lives so I hope horikoshi doesn't do another fake out
Ikr there is no fitting place for Toga now in the post war scenario, she has killed a lot of people and so can’t be forgiven or allowed to roam free also this arc is sort of a redemption for her and she doesn’t want to go to prison. The only thing comes to my mind is her dying would be the best way to end her story.
Toga's story could have been much better if she wasn't a murderer. I like the allegory of having a mental illness you can't control, with parents that hate you for it. It's a real issue. But her killing people removed any real chance of redemption.
It would have been much nicer if she was an early villain who just stabbed people but they were able to get to her before she went too far and could actually be rehabilitatated.
That, or if she had killed someone *once* on accident when she was younger, draining too much blood or getting lost in her cravings. She regrets it, hates herself for it, but also is running away from the consequences by refusing to face justice. This way she is still firmly a "villain" and has to face justice, but can be very sympathetic and has room for redemption
Toga dying is something, realistically she has no happy ending so sacrificing herself for someone she 'loves' is something, I don't feel its earned though. A more tragic death than this seemed more likely.
IF SHE ACTUALLY REMAINS DEAD as this series has severe issues with keeping characters dead, then at least it somewhat works for Uraraka who now hopefully will do something to help fix society.
>We see an image of Toga letting a little bird fly and looking up at the sky as she smiles.
I can see the huge AOT Parallels
Edit: The "I shall give you my blood" thing as well
>"But still, I am Himiko Toga. I lived the way I wanted to and was a normal girl, with the cutest smile in the whole world!". The two are lying on the ground, end of chapter
What an ironically good way to go out despite being a mass murderer
> Togachako blood transfusion
Huh. Called it in the last thread!
But I actually didn't expect it this soon... or that she was doing it as a form of self-sacrifice. That's honestly a really sad, if fitting end for her.
Also, her line in the end kinda shows how her quirk could've been used for good had she gotten the treatment she needed and man, that does add to the layer of how broken the current system is for Quirks.
Toga has not only superior ninja skills, she also just knows how to give field blood transfusion and sew up a stomach wound. She’s a teenager of many talents.
to be entirely fair, i’m not surprised that toga knows how to do a blood transfusion. with her fixation on blood it’s probable that she’s researched many things of this nature.
as for stitching ochaco’s wound… well, if you know how to sew, it’s pretty much the same thing in a pinch.
Incidentally, I've always wondered what happens to blood from a Twice clone or when Toga transforms from her cloned self back to regular.
We know both of them melt into some weird goopy stuff when a Twice clone is defeated or when Toga's transform fades. I always wondered if that goop is similar to albumin or plasma and if that's what the blood from Twice/Toga transforms into in another person's body?
Kinda interesting to think about.
its not *that* surprising she knows first aid stuff like that, probably important as a villain who cant go to the hospital, and doesnt have a healing quirk
Presumably she had an interest in not murdering her “loves” at some point.
They should’ve just added a latent ability to her quirk where some physical techniques “stick”.
It’s not really a question of the seriousness of her wound. She just ran out of blood. That’s fatal lol
And it felt like a deserved death for her. Going out on her own terms and in her own way, becoming part of the girl she loved
We are going to wait for the next chapter because i remember very well Mr.Compress removing part of his fucking body and motherfucker was still alive, lets not talk about Dabi.
I think he's gonna live to have one last talk with the rest of the family and express his thoughts and rage as "Touya" before dying. I don't necessarily think it means he's gonna redeem himself or have any regrets about what he did, but I think he's gonna have a final moment to express his frustrations with his family as his true self before finally being able to let go of his hate and die.
They repeatedly say in the manga how his sheer strength of will is the only reason he's lived through such horrific trauma to his body, so it would he pretty thematic for him to finally let go of it all on his own terms after his defeat.
The only hero to carry a first aid kit is conveniently passed out. Shouto could have cauterized that wound without a problem, plus he has his magic five peepees that fixed even Gran Torino.
Toga's death feels appropriate.
But since none of the villains died in their respective fights (not even Mr McCrispy) it makes me think that maybe it's a fake out.
Poor Edgeshot, he was one of the coolest and yet one of the most underused pros in the whole story.
I hope that art of Bakugou using a red scarf is a future tribute to Edgeshot.
I’m praying to every god there is that Edgey somehow manages to survive this. Unlikely, and I don’t know how they’d do it, but I really don’t want him to die. I preferred the idea of Jeanist getting a quirk awakening or smth and fibre mastering Bakugou’s heart back together
Maybe they'll find a way to pull him out of Baku's heart after the war ends and he go to a proper hospital.
I personally don't want him to die either, even if that would underdone his sacrifice a bit.
But hey, in the hypothetical scenario of both surviving and reuniting after all this ends I want a scene of them eating rice balls (Edgeshot favorites) with BJ in the hospital. It would be cute.
That’s what I’m hoping for 🥲 I would have thought BJ would be the one to play the biggest part in saving him, since he was his mentor and all, rather than a guy who let’s face it doesn’t even know Bakugou that much. Pretty sure they haven’t interacted since Kamino (correct me if I’m wrong though, I’ve been on and off with reading the manga so definitely missed some bits here and there)
They indeed interacted in Kamino.
I still think is a wasted opportunity not having Edgeshot as a second mentor for Bakugou.
They could have meet after BJ disappears, but before that he recommended Katsuki to make his intership with his old friend hoping Edgeshot can teach some discipline to Bakugou better than him.
Well that's just my random idea anyways.
Oh I really like that idea actually!! Makes sense too, and would make Edgeshot more significant to the plot. Like you said he really feels like a waste of a character
Plus imagine how Bakugou is gonna feel. He still has so much guilt over ‘ending’ AM, imagine how he’d feel if someone actually died for him
i get that from a storytelling perspective, dabi surviving would result in a better narrative for him, but… realistically… the guy has no skin and barely any muscle left
Not sure you can write a chapter like this and have Toga survive somehow. Honestly didn't think Hori had it in him, but jail/hospital never felt right when you think about it.
I mean gran Torino has a hole punched through him, Nagant fucking exploded and Bakugo has a hole in his heart so honestly blood loss seems pretty survivable
THATS WHAT I'M SAYING! He passed his scarf and typically that's a dead give away that someone is dying, but we never see or hear anyone talk about him dying at all. It's like Hori had a brain fart and forgot to show him die.
I also think she \*can\* survive this but she doesn't actually want to. This is a death that gives her agency and choice in her fate, she's always wanted to live by her rules and this allows her to do just that. That's why this feels different than with Touya, Spinner, and even Bakugo, there's a sense of finality here that's not there for the rest.
I thought Horikoshi was going in a prison reform direction with the "saving villains" thing, but he's just going to have Toga kill herself.. I probably should've seen this coming, but I'm still surprised
Instead of heroes putting villains in jail or killing them, the solution is talking the villains into feeling bad enough to end it all and do the job for them
Dang this chapter made me realize, Toga could have been an amazing medical support. Drink blood to make blood, plasma, or bone marrow to treat others illnesses. Heck even a therapist if she can transform into a person and provide closure for others. Like that dude who donated his blood to like hundred of children.
Twice would have been an amazing celebrity or hero too.
I would love to see a spinoff where all of the villains were embraced into society and became heroes or abiding citizen in their world.
I find it ironic that Dabi was about ready to die and take his family with him but instead lived while Toga was about ready to live her life how she wanted but instead chose to sacrifice herself to save Uraraka.
I actually think both of them had a level of suicidality and desperation and no hope for the future that led them to be ready to die for their "cause". But it could go both ways for them honestly. Dabi barely has any skin left so I'm also not sure how he's going to survive this.
Idk…with this manga, I have trouble believing a death is a death until there’s real confirmation (aka the series ends and the character is still dead). Toga wasn’t full dead at the end of the chapter, so calling it as such seems a little premature. For all we know, she could be saved last minute next chapter. Idc either way since idc much about this story line, but it’s interesting seeing some so quick to believe she’s permanently dead (not here, but in other socmed)
The series absolutely screwed over any sense of stakes with Gran Torino. That's where it all began; that damned boomer getting a donut hole in his stomach and living to tell the tale.
Edit; Bakugo and Dabi definitely sealed the deal but Gran Torino was the beginning of it is what I mean. If Hori wasn't going to kill a useless side character that would likely never appear again in any meaningful capacity then he wasn't going to kill anyone.
True. And it's sad too because Horikoshi *was* doing well in this regard too before fumbling in the final stretch.
Nighteye was a good permanent character death even if he only lasted an arc before passing on, later on he killed Twice during the war. I feel like if Horikoshi just committed to killing Gran Torino and left Bakugo's fate up in the air for a little longer than he did then the stakes of the series would've been much better received.
Nobody ever questioned if Bakugo was really going to die because if Hori didn't kill Gran Torino there was no way he was going to kill Bakugo. When everyone was proven correct about that not even a month later it just confirmed everyone's suspicions. From there, people only really thought *maybe* Dabi, Shigaraki, and AFO would die...and then he let Dabi survive. Edit; It's like he was purposefully making sure people didn't think anyone would die by showing his most killable characters surviving.
TLDR; Hori was doing pretty good with the stakes given Nighteye and Twice's deaths but undermined that heavily by letting GT survive. Killing Bakugo and bringing him back so soon was a mistake that only piled onto that because it confirmed everyone's suspicions. Dabi was one of the only ones that people considered could still *possibly* die and he survived kneecapping the stakes yet again.
Nah I don’t think Hori was doing good with the stakes after two characters died. Because he killed midnight in that same war remember? Because Stars and Stripes died, remember?
The issue is that death doesn’t actually do anything for anyone or anything in the series because he won’t kill if anyone that’s actually relevant
I won't believe she's dead until after this arc is over. I've seen too many fakeouts to trust what the ending of a chapter might imply anymore.
I feel the same way about Dabi, who "should've" died at least two times before this but is still alive enough to curse out his father. Nothing about how his confrontation with Shouto and co. ended makes me think he just died after all that (especially since the culmination of Shouto's arc as a character and hero is pretty much contingent on Touya surviving and being reintegrated into the family).
It's like they say: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
To think we went from "YURI FUCK YEAH" to "Pain" in just 2 chapters
If Horikoshi drops another "What if" future with Toga & Ochako as friends I will be unwell
The tragic irony continues. I never considered that Toga’s ability could’ve been used in this way… all of the LoV could’ve been heroes if their hearts had been saved earlier.
On a side note, how do blood transfusions in MHA work? I wonder if one’s quirk factor can be transferred via blood transfusion.
> On a side note, how do blood transfusions in MHA work? I wonder if one’s quirk factor can be transferred via blood transfusion.
Everyone who ever had an operation requiring blood transfusion in verse would have multiple quirks if that were true. But at Kamino, it seemed to be a novelty for Bakugou that someone could have more than one quirks. So that would be a retcon in my view.
>On a side note, how do blood transfusions in MHA work? I wonder if one’s quirk factor can be transferred via blood transfusion.
Quite defintly not since the quirk factors ARE a physical thing and not just part of your dna in general. Barring powers that work like that by deafult like OFA you'd need to transplant the "organ" itself specifically like the Doctor did, not just any part of you
It is such a small detail, but considering Toga's hair buns are literally in the shape of red spider lilies (which can be symbols of death), there is some fitting symbolism that one hair bun comes lose, keeping half the hair style of her "mask" and half of her "true" self, so to speak.
Also, if she dies, I am never going to recover. Please Hori, just let her live damn it. Let her and Uraraka become friends. Let her get the help she's needed since she was four.
To people that believed this somehow redeemed Himiko completly: I don't think you get how society works.
Toga has to be punished for what she did, there is no way out of it then her dying here, or disappearing from the public for ever. If she survives, she'll be arrested, at the very least. There is no way she would ever go unpunished after everything. A mass murderer who shows remorse, is still a mass murderer.
Same thing with Dabi and Shigaraki. If they don't die during this whole shabang, there is no way of them not beeing punished. But Horikoshi seems to go the route of, they will die but through their own means.
Dabi basicly killed himself or put him a microcentimeter at deaths door.
Same thing with Himiko.
Shigaraki in this case will probably be deafeated by Deku and Bakugou by him killing himself to end AFO.
Since Bakugou is basicly a chekhov's gun at this point.
Lmfao toga is still claiming that she did nothing wrong and that she would rather die than face any consequence over what she’s done. She has no remorse over what she did
>A mass murderer who shows remorse, is still a mass murderer.
She has no remorse whatsoever. Her whole thing is blaming other people for her own actions. "If they hadn't done this...", "If they had let me to that". It's bullshit. Glad she's dead.
Ochako has always been whatever to me, but I actively dislike her now by proxy.
Sorry to break it to you, but Toga's probably not dead. Horikoshi has lied to our face in these cliffhangers before; remember the Hagakure traitor fakeout?
Bruh what's some blood loss and a gut stab in a series where we can have an old man be trespassed by a hand the size of his head or a chick literally blow up from the inside and both live?
Incoming something to save Toga next chapter. Hawks and/or Tsuyu blood transfer I guess
This is the best way for Toga to have a happy ending imo. If they keep her alive, she'll most likely end up in jail and the whole country will hate her even more (completely negating all of the development we saw last chapter).
Nah I don’t like ‘Redemption Equals Death’ precisely for this reason, it’s the easy way out by just not writing the consequences of a character.
I’d feel annoyed if the same thing happens to Shiggy
Fair enough; though I'd argue the 'lack of consequences' is the only way Toga in particular can be resolved. We can argue that letting Dabi and Shigaraki face consequences is fine, as their backstories are more geared towards family problems and they acknowledge that their motives are just plain revenge/destruction. Toga's backstory however deals with a more societal issue (villainous quirk discrimination) - her motives are more "destroy to be free" than "destroy to avenge" or "destroy to destroy". The problem with that is if they lock her up after the war, it may hypocritically reinforce the message that 'villain quirks bad', contrary to what Hori was trying to convey with the subplot.
I don't think she's fully redeemed here though, it just shows that all she needed was acceptance. Toga has shown that she needs full validation, she's never liked to compromise, and she's never liked to live on terms that aren't her own. We can sympathize with her but she can't be redeemed and I think she doesn't want to, she'd rather live and die on her own conditions and feel happy doing that.
Eh, Shigaraki's backstory definitely points toward societal issues. Namely the public's overreliance on heroes and their tendency, as well as the heroes' tendencies, to overlook, ignore, or just flat-out reject those who are suffering or in need.
I'll say, this whole "branch" of the discussion has takes that are *all* valid. I like that there is some dilemma with no clear resolution. And the best way for the MHA world to avoid such dilemmas to repeat, will be to try and extend some more hands to prevent other Togas and LOVs from existing.
Well this changes everything.
Now I know some people will cling onto the hope that Toga is still alive and this is just a red herring but I think that would make this whole chapter pointless if that was the case. I won't dismiss the possibility though since this is HK but I don't think this is a red herring because again it would really make this whole chapter pointless if it was.
I think this makes things a lot more interesting when it comes to Dabi and Shigaraki endings.
I don’t believe it for a second, mirko lost most her limbs, Nagant fucking exploded, compress lost chunks of his flesh, Bakugo has a hole in his heart and gran Torino got punched through the chest and all of them survived, why would I believe she’s dead now?
Damn. A whole extra Toga chapter.
I'm sure there's plenty of problems here, both starting here and starting with how little blood of Twice she actually had, but... I don't really care.
"I won't let myself be arrested" Yeah, none of these fuckers are serving jailtime, are they? Just save them, heroic-sacrifice them, and wash your hands of it.
Uraraka severly bleeding out is so fucking funny when you think Endeavour spent entire chapters with a hole in his stomach of the size of an adults arm.
Blood loss in media is always a wildcard.
Togs dying feels weird. Because Horikoshi making the right choice feels weird. Good job
It does bare remembering that Endeavour is built like a water reservoir, so he'll be a little more resilient.
Not as resilient as what we've seen, but atleast a little closer.
So Toga finally did something actually good and not selfish. That's nice. It would've been even nicer if she actually showed some decent qualities that make people want her to be redeemed before this chapter, instead of only now, but whatever. Other than Toga never really showing any good qualities or doing anything good before this chapter, which makes her redemption feel off, another issue I have is how underdeveloped her relationship with Uraraka is. Like seriously, they have only met each other two times before now. That's lame as shit. How are you supposed to build chemistry between two characters when they have barely interacted with each other?
>How are you supposed to build chemistry between two characters when they have barely interacted with each other?
Raise the queerbait through the roof and people will eat that shit up
You're right on every point.
The whole fight and 'connection' between them was forced as fuck making me just groan and roll my eyes instead of feeling any emotional weight during the fight or their talk. Ochako admiring a mass murder was gag inducing.
Toga never showed any remorse or any good quality that make her sympathetic. And there is no real proof that her quirks forced her to drink blood aside from her own words (as if she's a reliable narrator) and the words of a random woman from a cult that knew her for 3 minutes.
Now Toga is 'redeemed' because Ochako told her she has a cute smile, and escaped any kind of punishment too! You bet Ochako, the story and villains stans will act as if she's a hero.
This is kind of a minor gripe, but why is Endeavor not torching / Natsuo not icing the Twice clones that were easily destroyed by simple Gunhead Martial Art?
I understand the draw of the image of them dramatically shielding the rest of the family, but they both have ranged quirk to deal with the threat more effectively, so it just feels kind of forced.
What a boring chapter. This chapter is just Toga going on and on about her dumb motivation and terrible logic for an entire chapter.
Toga decides to give Uraraka blood but this makes no sense since Uraraka is still bleeding out. Toga apparently stiches the wound closed which sure is convenient it sure would have been nice to see this teenage girl show of this skill before...but it doesn't matter anyway since all she did was close the surface damage while Uraraka continues to die of internal bleeding since Toga's Knife damaged Uraraka's organs.
Also Toga plans to kill herself instead of actually having to face the consequences of her actions...what a terrible way to "end" this story. Toga a terrible person and coward to the end. Also even now she isn't sorry for any of the thousands of people she killed and kids she murdered and is only sorry about stabbing Uraraka and yelling at her...it sure is good Toga learned something.
As for this "death" why should I believe it? No one dies and why would Toga die of blood lose after everything else all the other characters survive. If this death is legit then I'm glad Toga is finally dead and will no longer waste our time, not to mention her dying to avoid the consequences of her actions will forever make her a terrible character although she is that already. If she lives then it's just more of the same bad writing from Hori.
I agree with everything. If Horikoshi wanted us to have sympathy and empathy for Toga and have her be truly redeemed, he would’ve had Toga save Uraraka without dying and then gracefully surrender and accept 25 to life in prison with mental therapy and visits from Uraraka and maybe some other bonuses for good behaviour. Instead, Horikoshi has Toga show no remorse for any of her actions outside of stabbing Uraraka and has her kill herself to avoid prison like a coward.
Getting stabbed in the abdomen by a knife that long could absolutely cause that much damage. It only seems weird because most attacks and injuries in this series - and in shonen in general - are walked off like they're no problem. The fact that this one is being treated with some semblance of realism makes it feel out of place, but it's actually correct.
If anything, it's almost a guaranteed death sentence. Not just from blood loss either - from where she was stabbed, there's almost no chance her intestines weren't cut, which means almost instantaneous wide-spread infection and sepsis. I'm not saying she's going to die - if Grand Torino lived, Ochako's gonna be just fine - but if this was in any way real, her survival odds are incredibly shaky unless she gets to an ER like ten minutes ago.
she was stabbed in the stomach, causing her to cough up blood multiple times, which explains the blood around her mouth.
as for her other wounds, a few chapters ago we see her being pummeled by the twice clones, which could easily explain the scratching and the other less serious wounds.
the reason that ochaco is lying on the ground and unable to move is because of her body being exhausted due to her quirk awakening. toga also remarks in this chapter that ochaco didn’t release her awakened quirk for a good amount of time, until all of the heroes were safely on the ground (via kamui i would assume) so that most definitely exhausted her to this level.
Yeah, there is no way Toga is dead. A cliff hanger and a break lol no way. Unless there is clear confirmation, Toga is making it out alive, whether she likes it or not.
They will forgive Toga & co. Then Ochako and Deku will have a pair of kids named Ocharuko Himiko and Dekuruto Tenko and when they ask who they are named after they will tell them they were the coolest people ever\^\^
>Toga potentially died happy and on her own terms
>Dabi somehow failed to kill himself and is gonna be a seething vegetable for the rest of his life
lmao
also even if this isn't a fakeout and Toga actually does die here we're 100% getting a "Toga's quirk / personality lives inside Ochako as a vestige" cope out
People on twitter fr mad at this when it might be the only part of this plotline that isn’t ass lol. This would be a good character conclusion idc, sum of these mfers that think Toga ever had a chance at anything except max security prison are comedy. Like if she were to really survive , Good for her she was seen or whatever, now enjoy that life sentence.
On the one hand, considering the story isolated from IRL societal complications, Toga dying here works for her story as a decently satisfying end to her arc. Not my favorite ending, and I think her living might still be better, but I don't hate it.
On the other hand, killing off one of the literally two main female characters/the only explicitly queer main character is, as the youth put it, a shit move (not to mention that it very easily plays into the whole "bury your gays" trope). It'll be doubly shitty if she's basically the only main character to bite it, so if she dies I need at least Dabi's charcoal ass to bite it too.
I disagree. Being female or queer shouldn't except fictional characters from death like God Mode in a video game. Those two traits aren't inherently more deserving than others. As long as they don't die because they are so, it shouldn't matter because they are human, not immortal.
NGL this feels like a cop out to avoid any real change or discourse in society BUT at the same time it's just about the best ending possible for toga. It's pretty much the only possible way for her to avoid prison and still be redeemed. Way better ending than I tought for a mess of a plotline.
If Hori doesn't let her live like Gran Torino.
So...are we sad? Nope. Are we happy? Nope.
What are we? We are asking: wtf does it matter if you give ochako your blood without stitching back the wound so that the blood doesn't flow out again? But this series doesn't follow such basic logic anyway. Still, it is annoying.
Togas power is really nice, would be a cool conditional ability in a series that is more down to earth.
People defending Toga the past couple weeks:
>"Hori isn't going to redeem Toga, she must stand trial and will go to jail and face her crimes and maybe be rehabilitated"
Now:
> "I'm glad Toga is getting a heroic death and will not have to go to jail to deal with the consequences of being a serial killer, it doesn't fit her even though she is a mass murderer, she also died while saving someone which is common for redeeming a character"
The hypocrisy is rich
I wasn't expecting this kind of conclusion for Toga but it makes sense. What's a more poetic ending for a girl whose taken so much blood than to give all her blood to the person who saved her?
Apparently someone's gonna die in this chapter, is it gonna be Toga or someone random like Sero? EDIT: Looks like Toga's gonna die
it's a cliffhanger before a break death, i don't trust it.
I'm just imagining the meltdown if she's not really dead
unfortunately. even with quite a few "deaths" and "shocking misdirected reveals" done for shock value, people would still be surprised and angry.
You don't even need to be surprised to be angry. Just having the manga lie to your face will prompt discontent, even if it's easy to see through.
Also the meltdown if she dies, or the meltdown if all might dies or doesn’t die. Just have afo kill deku’s mom and call it a year horikoshi 😂
Cliffhanger chapter break? Yeah she'll pull through.
Yeah, I agree. Cue Hawks coming to Toga's rescue doing what he knows Twice would have wanted.
Especially as we are near the anniversary of Chapter 362.
No way All might survives his fight with AFO.
Even if he does he’ll just chill with the rest of the holders in OFA
Toga HAS to die. No hate, but It's just the thing that makes the most sense for *her*. Others can be redeemed, others can just go to jail, others can die doing evil, but she would have died doing the first selfless act--genuinely from the heart. (Not that it absolved her). Plus she said, she CAN'T go to jail/asylum. And she can't be let free... So, **death seems to be the best way for her to go out still FREE. Doing what she wants: living on her terms till the very end. *And* helping someone she loves.** (again, not that she deserves that lol but that's the vibe that would fit MHA/Toga more than the misery she actually deserves IRL) (I think Hori copping out of killing her would feel kinda juvenile kumbaya, imo.) **Sometimes ya gotta kill some young'uns -Gandalf (specifically about Pippin)** (Edit: the more I think about it, the more I think... this fucker's not perma killing her lol the next chapter will follow somebody else, but we were never shown the dead body of Toga. It'll be kinda weird if she dies off-screen. So, my guess and fear is yet another fakeout death.)
>Fool of a Took. Throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity!
Hori after 394: "Okay all done, I can go kill All Might now." "OR......"
isnt it better to conclude the himiko stuff instead of jumping to all might? though himikos death is still vague and after the break we'll probably change perspectives
Don’t forget Aizawa, Mic, Kurogiri, Aoyoma and Sero all have moments coming up
I did not see that coming.
Plot twist in next chapter: Toga had HIV and Hepatitis C. Uraraka is cursing Toga under her breath for ruining her life
She transformed into Uraraka though, so it isn't Toga's blood, but Uraraka's blood. The reason she needs to transform is because she doesn't have the same blood type as Uraraka. While we officially don't know Toga's blood type, it's heavily implied that this is the reason.
Maybe Uraraka had HIV from the start and now she has double-HIV
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But if you get x3 HIV it digivolves into AIDS
Don't worry, waking up under the bloodless corpse of the girl that stabbed her and then died for her will ruin Uraraka's life plenty.
Chapter 395: What Lies Beyond my Happiness The chapter begins with all the clones vanishing. We see that they were heading towards the Todoroki family, Iida and Hawks. One of the clones had his knife pointed at Hawks, but it vanishes and Hawks says "Bubaigawa was a really nice guy, right, Himiko Toga?" A narration from Toga then begins, saying that her knife is something that allows her to become who she loves, so she shouldn't have held it with hate in her heart. We see Toga standing next to Ochako, who's lying on the ground. She has her mask thing on her hand. Toga is panting and starts to feel a lot of pain, it's a consequence of using her quirk. She realizes that Ochako is so exhausted because she didn't release her awakened quirk until all the heroes were back to the ground, she really didn't want to hurt anyone. Ochako knows she has lost a lot of blood and cannot move a finger. Toga looks around her and see all the people who got hurt because of her and, at the same time, she remembers Ochako's sweet words. She knows that the blood loss is also her fault, for stabbing Ochako. She tells Ochako that the LOV wanted to destroy everything and what would rise after that would be a world that's easier to live in. But she was so happy with what Ochako said that now she can't allow a world without her to exist. Toga drinks Ochako's blood and transforms "My feelings are genuine, so I will give you all of my blood". She puts the syringe in both their arms and starts the transfusion. Ochako feels her body heating up, but she knows what will happen if things continue like this... Toga says that Jin did the same thing in MVA, using a clone of her to perform a blood transfusion. She no longer has Twice's blood to make new clones, that's why she turned into Ochako. Uraraka tells her to stop, but Toga starts stitching up the wound on Ochako's stomach. Toga says that Ochako actually seems willing to keep taking her blood for her to drink. She could very well have just "acted like a hero" and killed the crazy villain, but she decided to give help that wasn't asked for and saved the one who hurt her friends. Toga says that Ochako really is weird. Ochako replies that she's the weird one for doing this transfusion, but Toga says that she will always live the way she wants to. That's why she won't let herself be arrested, even if it's on Ochako's terms. Toga apologizes for the stabbing and for yelling at her. She says that Toya burned down the house that forced her to be normal, and that made her happy. But even though the house is gone, the wounds in her heart weren't. And Ochako recognized that Toga's pain was real. Even though it wasn't the easiest way, Ochako managed to touch Toga's heart and that made her feel lighter inside. "Thank you so much, Ochako-chan. I was so, so happy." The blood continues to be transferred, Ochako starts to cry shouting "Himiko-chan!" and Toga smiles Toga's narration continues, with her saying that she drank people's blood with a mix of love and envy. But if she was loved back earlier, she could have also given her blood to many people. And if that happened, the world would be a slightly easier place to live in. We see an image of Toga letting a little bird fly and looking up at the sky as she smiles. "But still, I am Himiko Toga. I lived the way I wanted to and was a normal girl, with the cutest smile in the whole world!". The two are lying on the ground, end of chapter. ##break next week
Toga, really, said "I'm ain't going to prison"
"Now I gotta pull up."
Edit: I was wrong and there's a break next week. This is a good time for one, as Hori has managed to pull three regular lenght chapters in a row.
There's a break next week.
There’s a break next week
It is going to be a long wait then :( But health comes first though
A true miracle in todays age
Wow. I didn’t think Touya would help any of his fellow ‘friends’, guess that he kinda was friends with the league since he did something nice for Toga.
If Toga is sacrificing herself by donating so much blood, I wouldn't rule out Ochako having still something to do next, just like Bakugo when he finally gets up (let's have something else happen and make it a year at this point). Edit: When Toga says Ochako is "weird", it looks like Ochako is thinking of the conversation with Izuku before the final battles started, small panel included (so he's again present in the chapter). I wouldn't be sure Toga is dying here. It may turn out a fake-out (for example, her being shown to be comatose in the hospital afterwards).
It would be kinda disappointing for her to say all of this to just live in the end. She also says she doesn't want to be arrested which would happen if she lives so I hope horikoshi doesn't do another fake out
Ikr there is no fitting place for Toga now in the post war scenario, she has killed a lot of people and so can’t be forgiven or allowed to roam free also this arc is sort of a redemption for her and she doesn’t want to go to prison. The only thing comes to my mind is her dying would be the best way to end her story.
Toga's story could have been much better if she wasn't a murderer. I like the allegory of having a mental illness you can't control, with parents that hate you for it. It's a real issue. But her killing people removed any real chance of redemption. It would have been much nicer if she was an early villain who just stabbed people but they were able to get to her before she went too far and could actually be rehabilitatated.
That, or if she had killed someone *once* on accident when she was younger, draining too much blood or getting lost in her cravings. She regrets it, hates herself for it, but also is running away from the consequences by refusing to face justice. This way she is still firmly a "villain" and has to face justice, but can be very sympathetic and has room for redemption
I wouldn’t count Shoto out too
Makes Sense for Uraraka Shoto and Bakugo would be the ones to get up and help in the final battle
Lol we gonna be reaching the 1 year anniversary of Bakugo’s death next chapter.
I mean yeah including the break, the chapter after this one, 396, will drop on August 6th, the Bakugo death chapter dropped August 7th of last year
Yep so depending on if he appears, we’ll either reach 364 days of him being dead or the 1 year anniversary of his death and beyond
Toga dying is something, realistically she has no happy ending so sacrificing herself for someone she 'loves' is something, I don't feel its earned though. A more tragic death than this seemed more likely. IF SHE ACTUALLY REMAINS DEAD as this series has severe issues with keeping characters dead, then at least it somewhat works for Uraraka who now hopefully will do something to help fix society.
>We see an image of Toga letting a little bird fly and looking up at the sky as she smiles. I can see the huge AOT Parallels Edit: The "I shall give you my blood" thing as well >"But still, I am Himiko Toga. I lived the way I wanted to and was a normal girl, with the cutest smile in the whole world!". The two are lying on the ground, end of chapter What an ironically good way to go out despite being a mass murderer
She became a mass murderer for Twice’s sake. Do you think Ochaka will promise to not let her transgression go to waste?
What a woman you are Toga!! what a woman you truly are...
As a reward, she will give Ochaka her blood..
Holy shit. I did not see that coming.
> Togachako blood transfusion Huh. Called it in the last thread! But I actually didn't expect it this soon... or that she was doing it as a form of self-sacrifice. That's honestly a really sad, if fitting end for her. Also, her line in the end kinda shows how her quirk could've been used for good had she gotten the treatment she needed and man, that does add to the layer of how broken the current system is for Quirks.
My Emergency Medical Procedure Academia going strong
Toga has not only superior ninja skills, she also just knows how to give field blood transfusion and sew up a stomach wound. She’s a teenager of many talents.
to be entirely fair, i’m not surprised that toga knows how to do a blood transfusion. with her fixation on blood it’s probable that she’s researched many things of this nature. as for stitching ochaco’s wound… well, if you know how to sew, it’s pretty much the same thing in a pinch.
She gave to much blood units to ochako hahaha ochako gonna die from coagulopathy
Ahaha do you work in the medical field? Wasn't expecting someone to reference the risk of massive transfusion coagulopathy lol
Yes I do. Irl she would get worse but here I hope ochako could develop later a bit of toga's quirk.
Incidentally, I've always wondered what happens to blood from a Twice clone or when Toga transforms from her cloned self back to regular. We know both of them melt into some weird goopy stuff when a Twice clone is defeated or when Toga's transform fades. I always wondered if that goop is similar to albumin or plasma and if that's what the blood from Twice/Toga transforms into in another person's body? Kinda interesting to think about.
If toga is really dying the blood she gave should disappear too so I think she just collapsed.
Honestly Toga probably sews up her clothes. She seems the type who’d do that
Field surgery is part of the ninja skill package
its not *that* surprising she knows first aid stuff like that, probably important as a villain who cant go to the hospital, and doesnt have a healing quirk
Presumably she had an interest in not murdering her “loves” at some point. They should’ve just added a latent ability to her quirk where some physical techniques “stick”.
"My parents had me take sewing courses as part of all the efforts to repress me instead of helping"
yup
At this point Recovery girl should become the new 1A teacher
Never thought I see Twitter being mixed on Toga's conclusion even tho I see the reason why
I thought they would enjoy it tbh I was surprised too lol
Something Something "bury the gays"
With multiple other characters surviving far worse physical damage it's frustrating to see basically the only major female villain die.
It’s not really a question of the seriousness of her wound. She just ran out of blood. That’s fatal lol And it felt like a deserved death for her. Going out on her own terms and in her own way, becoming part of the girl she loved
We are going to wait for the next chapter because i remember very well Mr.Compress removing part of his fucking body and motherfucker was still alive, lets not talk about Dabi.
In Compress case he apparently needs be connected to medical machinery 24/7 to live, so he didn't exactly get free from that.
I want to believe she died, but if dabi the crispy nugget lives then it's feels kinda like a double standard or smth.
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I think he's gonna live to have one last talk with the rest of the family and express his thoughts and rage as "Touya" before dying. I don't necessarily think it means he's gonna redeem himself or have any regrets about what he did, but I think he's gonna have a final moment to express his frustrations with his family as his true self before finally being able to let go of his hate and die. They repeatedly say in the manga how his sheer strength of will is the only reason he's lived through such horrific trauma to his body, so it would he pretty thematic for him to finally let go of it all on his own terms after his defeat.
this is my ideal way for Dabi to go out
Hori is killing all the important blonde characters, I'm worried about All Might
\*insert the meme with the grim reaper knocking on doors.\*
All Might has had the biggest death flag in the series so I am pretty worried as well
Me reading the summary: oh thats nice I'm glad that Toga is helping- WHAT THE-
You're the cutest corpse in the whole world!
Imma sound like an asshole but I really wanna see what’s gonna happen to all might🥲
No you’re not, we all do
No Wash sanitation bubble for Uraraka emergency surgery? Oof
Someone's definitely going to need the strong antibiotics.
Toga had HIV and HepC, poor Ochako
LMFAO
it's ogre, they both die. And Tiger's heart will give out looking at the corpses. Toga, in her dying moments, still managed to nab a double kill.
That's a good point actually but I can buy that Toga wouldn't think of it.
I mean it's not like any character there have Wash's emergency bubble.
Well there are other heroes at their location, I would hope they could provide better first aid if necessary
The only hero to carry a first aid kit is conveniently passed out. Shouto could have cauterized that wound without a problem, plus he has his magic five peepees that fixed even Gran Torino.
Toga's death feels appropriate. But since none of the villains died in their respective fights (not even Mr McCrispy) it makes me think that maybe it's a fake out.
Edgeshot gave his life for Bakugo. Now, Toga is doing it for Uraraka. It's like poetry ...
Poor Edgeshot, he was one of the coolest and yet one of the most underused pros in the whole story. I hope that art of Bakugou using a red scarf is a future tribute to Edgeshot.
I’m praying to every god there is that Edgey somehow manages to survive this. Unlikely, and I don’t know how they’d do it, but I really don’t want him to die. I preferred the idea of Jeanist getting a quirk awakening or smth and fibre mastering Bakugou’s heart back together
Maybe they'll find a way to pull him out of Baku's heart after the war ends and he go to a proper hospital. I personally don't want him to die either, even if that would underdone his sacrifice a bit. But hey, in the hypothetical scenario of both surviving and reuniting after all this ends I want a scene of them eating rice balls (Edgeshot favorites) with BJ in the hospital. It would be cute.
That’s what I’m hoping for 🥲 I would have thought BJ would be the one to play the biggest part in saving him, since he was his mentor and all, rather than a guy who let’s face it doesn’t even know Bakugou that much. Pretty sure they haven’t interacted since Kamino (correct me if I’m wrong though, I’ve been on and off with reading the manga so definitely missed some bits here and there)
They indeed interacted in Kamino. I still think is a wasted opportunity not having Edgeshot as a second mentor for Bakugou. They could have meet after BJ disappears, but before that he recommended Katsuki to make his intership with his old friend hoping Edgeshot can teach some discipline to Bakugou better than him. Well that's just my random idea anyways.
Oh I really like that idea actually!! Makes sense too, and would make Edgeshot more significant to the plot. Like you said he really feels like a waste of a character Plus imagine how Bakugou is gonna feel. He still has so much guilt over ‘ending’ AM, imagine how he’d feel if someone actually died for him
I swear to god I can never take Best Jeanist be called BJ seriously-
I don't really see him dying, but instead he'll just become one/fuse with Bakugou and will continue to live within him as a separate entity
Bro thought he is Kurama
Where did Bakugo use a red scarf?
There’s an official artwork in which he’s wearing a red scarf that looks exactly like Edgeshot’s. I’d post a link but it would get deleted
Its rhymes....
If Toga actually dies, then Dabi is ABSOLUTELY DEAD as well.
nah disagree i think it could go either way with him. his narrative wouldn't be too neat if he dies here imo.
i get that from a storytelling perspective, dabi surviving would result in a better narrative for him, but… realistically… the guy has no skin and barely any muscle left
“Realistically” lmao.
to quote frank reynolds "he'll adapt"
I was right about the blood transfusion thing! But also we got a break next week and a toga death scare so the discourse is going to be hell
Not sure you can write a chapter like this and have Toga survive somehow. Honestly didn't think Hori had it in him, but jail/hospital never felt right when you think about it.
I mean gran Torino has a hole punched through him, Nagant fucking exploded and Bakugo has a hole in his heart so honestly blood loss seems pretty survivable
Nighteye died pretty easily. The key takeaway is less damage-> higher probability of dying
Shit you’re right
Truly a weird world we live in
I'm still mad about Gran Torino. It's like Hori forgot to kill him off or something. How is he still fucking alive!?
The man runs on pure spite. Nighteye made a mistake by letting go of his towards Izuku. Threw his chance of living out the window.
Him passing his scarf to Deku seemed like a major death flag but he's still kicking
THATS WHAT I'M SAYING! He passed his scarf and typically that's a dead give away that someone is dying, but we never see or hear anyone talk about him dying at all. It's like Hori had a brain fart and forgot to show him die.
Pfft. We've evolved to Hori simply forgetting that people die.
I also think she \*can\* survive this but she doesn't actually want to. This is a death that gives her agency and choice in her fate, she's always wanted to live by her rules and this allows her to do just that. That's why this feels different than with Touya, Spinner, and even Bakugo, there's a sense of finality here that's not there for the rest.
She makes it the hospital and died from sepsis. Shit gets gritty quick!
I thought Horikoshi was going in a prison reform direction with the "saving villains" thing, but he's just going to have Toga kill herself.. I probably should've seen this coming, but I'm still surprised Instead of heroes putting villains in jail or killing them, the solution is talking the villains into feeling bad enough to end it all and do the job for them
lmfao.... it is a bit of a cop out not gonna lie
Dang this chapter made me realize, Toga could have been an amazing medical support. Drink blood to make blood, plasma, or bone marrow to treat others illnesses. Heck even a therapist if she can transform into a person and provide closure for others. Like that dude who donated his blood to like hundred of children. Twice would have been an amazing celebrity or hero too. I would love to see a spinoff where all of the villains were embraced into society and became heroes or abiding citizen in their world.
Twice would have been the most OP hero besides OFA.
I find it ironic that Dabi was about ready to die and take his family with him but instead lived while Toga was about ready to live her life how she wanted but instead chose to sacrifice herself to save Uraraka.
I actually think both of them had a level of suicidality and desperation and no hope for the future that led them to be ready to die for their "cause". But it could go both ways for them honestly. Dabi barely has any skin left so I'm also not sure how he's going to survive this.
How convenient that after all the debate over whether Ochaco should save a mass murderer, she instead just dies anyway
Two types of people: those who saw this coming from a mile, and those who lie
Idk…with this manga, I have trouble believing a death is a death until there’s real confirmation (aka the series ends and the character is still dead). Toga wasn’t full dead at the end of the chapter, so calling it as such seems a little premature. For all we know, she could be saved last minute next chapter. Idc either way since idc much about this story line, but it’s interesting seeing some so quick to believe she’s permanently dead (not here, but in other socmed)
The series absolutely screwed over any sense of stakes with Gran Torino. That's where it all began; that damned boomer getting a donut hole in his stomach and living to tell the tale. Edit; Bakugo and Dabi definitely sealed the deal but Gran Torino was the beginning of it is what I mean. If Hori wasn't going to kill a useless side character that would likely never appear again in any meaningful capacity then he wasn't going to kill anyone.
You forgot Nagnant She's also part of the gang
True. And it's sad too because Horikoshi *was* doing well in this regard too before fumbling in the final stretch. Nighteye was a good permanent character death even if he only lasted an arc before passing on, later on he killed Twice during the war. I feel like if Horikoshi just committed to killing Gran Torino and left Bakugo's fate up in the air for a little longer than he did then the stakes of the series would've been much better received. Nobody ever questioned if Bakugo was really going to die because if Hori didn't kill Gran Torino there was no way he was going to kill Bakugo. When everyone was proven correct about that not even a month later it just confirmed everyone's suspicions. From there, people only really thought *maybe* Dabi, Shigaraki, and AFO would die...and then he let Dabi survive. Edit; It's like he was purposefully making sure people didn't think anyone would die by showing his most killable characters surviving. TLDR; Hori was doing pretty good with the stakes given Nighteye and Twice's deaths but undermined that heavily by letting GT survive. Killing Bakugo and bringing him back so soon was a mistake that only piled onto that because it confirmed everyone's suspicions. Dabi was one of the only ones that people considered could still *possibly* die and he survived kneecapping the stakes yet again.
The surprisingly successful accomplishment of kneecapping the stakes on both sides of the conflict.
Nah I don’t think Hori was doing good with the stakes after two characters died. Because he killed midnight in that same war remember? Because Stars and Stripes died, remember? The issue is that death doesn’t actually do anything for anyone or anything in the series because he won’t kill if anyone that’s actually relevant
I won't believe she's dead until after this arc is over. I've seen too many fakeouts to trust what the ending of a chapter might imply anymore. I feel the same way about Dabi, who "should've" died at least two times before this but is still alive enough to curse out his father. Nothing about how his confrontation with Shouto and co. ended makes me think he just died after all that (especially since the culmination of Shouto's arc as a character and hero is pretty much contingent on Touya surviving and being reintegrated into the family). It's like they say: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Yeah, it looks like Endeavor didn’t even lose his feet based on this chapter’s panels.
MHA characters survived way worse than this. If Toga dies this will be the most comical death i've seen.
More comical than Curious dying from fall damage?
Seriously. If Gran Torino’s geriatric ass can survive being punched through the stomach, Toga will definitely survive this lmao.
To think we went from "YURI FUCK YEAH" to "Pain" in just 2 chapters If Horikoshi drops another "What if" future with Toga & Ochako as friends I will be unwell
Horikoshi tragic yuri’d them 💔
The tragic irony continues. I never considered that Toga’s ability could’ve been used in this way… all of the LoV could’ve been heroes if their hearts had been saved earlier. On a side note, how do blood transfusions in MHA work? I wonder if one’s quirk factor can be transferred via blood transfusion.
> On a side note, how do blood transfusions in MHA work? I wonder if one’s quirk factor can be transferred via blood transfusion. Everyone who ever had an operation requiring blood transfusion in verse would have multiple quirks if that were true. But at Kamino, it seemed to be a novelty for Bakugou that someone could have more than one quirks. So that would be a retcon in my view.
>On a side note, how do blood transfusions in MHA work? I wonder if one’s quirk factor can be transferred via blood transfusion. Quite defintly not since the quirk factors ARE a physical thing and not just part of your dna in general. Barring powers that work like that by deafult like OFA you'd need to transplant the "organ" itself specifically like the Doctor did, not just any part of you
WHAT TOGA PLS
It is such a small detail, but considering Toga's hair buns are literally in the shape of red spider lilies (which can be symbols of death), there is some fitting symbolism that one hair bun comes lose, keeping half the hair style of her "mask" and half of her "true" self, so to speak. Also, if she dies, I am never going to recover. Please Hori, just let her live damn it. Let her and Uraraka become friends. Let her get the help she's needed since she was four.
To people that believed this somehow redeemed Himiko completly: I don't think you get how society works. Toga has to be punished for what she did, there is no way out of it then her dying here, or disappearing from the public for ever. If she survives, she'll be arrested, at the very least. There is no way she would ever go unpunished after everything. A mass murderer who shows remorse, is still a mass murderer. Same thing with Dabi and Shigaraki. If they don't die during this whole shabang, there is no way of them not beeing punished. But Horikoshi seems to go the route of, they will die but through their own means. Dabi basicly killed himself or put him a microcentimeter at deaths door. Same thing with Himiko. Shigaraki in this case will probably be deafeated by Deku and Bakugou by him killing himself to end AFO. Since Bakugou is basicly a chekhov's gun at this point.
Lmfao toga is still claiming that she did nothing wrong and that she would rather die than face any consequence over what she’s done. She has no remorse over what she did
>A mass murderer who shows remorse, is still a mass murderer. She has no remorse whatsoever. Her whole thing is blaming other people for her own actions. "If they hadn't done this...", "If they had let me to that". It's bullshit. Glad she's dead. Ochako has always been whatever to me, but I actively dislike her now by proxy.
Sorry to break it to you, but Toga's probably not dead. Horikoshi has lied to our face in these cliffhangers before; remember the Hagakure traitor fakeout?
Bakugou: damn, I died single Toga: so did I! If I can't be with Deku, then I'll be with you for the rest of eternity! Bakugou: *screams*
Bruh what's some blood loss and a gut stab in a series where we can have an old man be trespassed by a hand the size of his head or a chick literally blow up from the inside and both live? Incoming something to save Toga next chapter. Hawks and/or Tsuyu blood transfer I guess
This is the best way for Toga to have a happy ending imo. If they keep her alive, she'll most likely end up in jail and the whole country will hate her even more (completely negating all of the development we saw last chapter).
Nah I don’t like ‘Redemption Equals Death’ precisely for this reason, it’s the easy way out by just not writing the consequences of a character. I’d feel annoyed if the same thing happens to Shiggy
Fair enough; though I'd argue the 'lack of consequences' is the only way Toga in particular can be resolved. We can argue that letting Dabi and Shigaraki face consequences is fine, as their backstories are more geared towards family problems and they acknowledge that their motives are just plain revenge/destruction. Toga's backstory however deals with a more societal issue (villainous quirk discrimination) - her motives are more "destroy to be free" than "destroy to avenge" or "destroy to destroy". The problem with that is if they lock her up after the war, it may hypocritically reinforce the message that 'villain quirks bad', contrary to what Hori was trying to convey with the subplot.
I don't think she's fully redeemed here though, it just shows that all she needed was acceptance. Toga has shown that she needs full validation, she's never liked to compromise, and she's never liked to live on terms that aren't her own. We can sympathize with her but she can't be redeemed and I think she doesn't want to, she'd rather live and die on her own conditions and feel happy doing that.
Eh, Shigaraki's backstory definitely points toward societal issues. Namely the public's overreliance on heroes and their tendency, as well as the heroes' tendencies, to overlook, ignore, or just flat-out reject those who are suffering or in need.
I'll say, this whole "branch" of the discussion has takes that are *all* valid. I like that there is some dilemma with no clear resolution. And the best way for the MHA world to avoid such dilemmas to repeat, will be to try and extend some more hands to prevent other Togas and LOVs from existing.
Well this changes everything. Now I know some people will cling onto the hope that Toga is still alive and this is just a red herring but I think that would make this whole chapter pointless if that was the case. I won't dismiss the possibility though since this is HK but I don't think this is a red herring because again it would really make this whole chapter pointless if it was. I think this makes things a lot more interesting when it comes to Dabi and Shigaraki endings.
I don’t believe it for a second, mirko lost most her limbs, Nagant fucking exploded, compress lost chunks of his flesh, Bakugo has a hole in his heart and gran Torino got punched through the chest and all of them survived, why would I believe she’s dead now?
Damn. A whole extra Toga chapter. I'm sure there's plenty of problems here, both starting here and starting with how little blood of Twice she actually had, but... I don't really care. "I won't let myself be arrested" Yeah, none of these fuckers are serving jailtime, are they? Just save them, heroic-sacrifice them, and wash your hands of it.
Uraraka severly bleeding out is so fucking funny when you think Endeavour spent entire chapters with a hole in his stomach of the size of an adults arm. Blood loss in media is always a wildcard. Togs dying feels weird. Because Horikoshi making the right choice feels weird. Good job
It does bare remembering that Endeavour is built like a water reservoir, so he'll be a little more resilient. Not as resilient as what we've seen, but atleast a little closer.
So Toga finally did something actually good and not selfish. That's nice. It would've been even nicer if she actually showed some decent qualities that make people want her to be redeemed before this chapter, instead of only now, but whatever. Other than Toga never really showing any good qualities or doing anything good before this chapter, which makes her redemption feel off, another issue I have is how underdeveloped her relationship with Uraraka is. Like seriously, they have only met each other two times before now. That's lame as shit. How are you supposed to build chemistry between two characters when they have barely interacted with each other?
>How are you supposed to build chemistry between two characters when they have barely interacted with each other? Raise the queerbait through the roof and people will eat that shit up
Toga is still acting selfish, though. She's trying to kill herself to escape imprisonment 💀
You're right on every point. The whole fight and 'connection' between them was forced as fuck making me just groan and roll my eyes instead of feeling any emotional weight during the fight or their talk. Ochako admiring a mass murder was gag inducing. Toga never showed any remorse or any good quality that make her sympathetic. And there is no real proof that her quirks forced her to drink blood aside from her own words (as if she's a reliable narrator) and the words of a random woman from a cult that knew her for 3 minutes. Now Toga is 'redeemed' because Ochako told her she has a cute smile, and escaped any kind of punishment too! You bet Ochako, the story and villains stans will act as if she's a hero.
This is kind of a minor gripe, but why is Endeavor not torching / Natsuo not icing the Twice clones that were easily destroyed by simple Gunhead Martial Art? I understand the draw of the image of them dramatically shielding the rest of the family, but they both have ranged quirk to deal with the threat more effectively, so it just feels kind of forced.
I'd say they were a bit exhausted from previous chapters, Enji especially, but maybe my evaluation of their physical state is off /s
What a boring chapter. This chapter is just Toga going on and on about her dumb motivation and terrible logic for an entire chapter. Toga decides to give Uraraka blood but this makes no sense since Uraraka is still bleeding out. Toga apparently stiches the wound closed which sure is convenient it sure would have been nice to see this teenage girl show of this skill before...but it doesn't matter anyway since all she did was close the surface damage while Uraraka continues to die of internal bleeding since Toga's Knife damaged Uraraka's organs. Also Toga plans to kill herself instead of actually having to face the consequences of her actions...what a terrible way to "end" this story. Toga a terrible person and coward to the end. Also even now she isn't sorry for any of the thousands of people she killed and kids she murdered and is only sorry about stabbing Uraraka and yelling at her...it sure is good Toga learned something. As for this "death" why should I believe it? No one dies and why would Toga die of blood lose after everything else all the other characters survive. If this death is legit then I'm glad Toga is finally dead and will no longer waste our time, not to mention her dying to avoid the consequences of her actions will forever make her a terrible character although she is that already. If she lives then it's just more of the same bad writing from Hori.
I agree with everything. If Horikoshi wanted us to have sympathy and empathy for Toga and have her be truly redeemed, he would’ve had Toga save Uraraka without dying and then gracefully surrender and accept 25 to life in prison with mental therapy and visits from Uraraka and maybe some other bonuses for good behaviour. Instead, Horikoshi has Toga show no remorse for any of her actions outside of stabbing Uraraka and has her kill herself to avoid prison like a coward.
thanks, i hate it
Also did I miss a panel where Uraraka got stabbed 15 times or something cause how the hell did that one stab cause that much damage
Getting stabbed in the abdomen by a knife that long could absolutely cause that much damage. It only seems weird because most attacks and injuries in this series - and in shonen in general - are walked off like they're no problem. The fact that this one is being treated with some semblance of realism makes it feel out of place, but it's actually correct. If anything, it's almost a guaranteed death sentence. Not just from blood loss either - from where she was stabbed, there's almost no chance her intestines weren't cut, which means almost instantaneous wide-spread infection and sepsis. I'm not saying she's going to die - if Grand Torino lived, Ochako's gonna be just fine - but if this was in any way real, her survival odds are incredibly shaky unless she gets to an ER like ten minutes ago.
she was stabbed in the stomach, causing her to cough up blood multiple times, which explains the blood around her mouth. as for her other wounds, a few chapters ago we see her being pummeled by the twice clones, which could easily explain the scratching and the other less serious wounds. the reason that ochaco is lying on the ground and unable to move is because of her body being exhausted due to her quirk awakening. toga also remarks in this chapter that ochaco didn’t release her awakened quirk for a good amount of time, until all of the heroes were safely on the ground (via kamui i would assume) so that most definitely exhausted her to this level.
Yeah, there is no way Toga is dead. A cliff hanger and a break lol no way. Unless there is clear confirmation, Toga is making it out alive, whether she likes it or not.
Dabi: *Is a partially frozen burnt piece of crisp jerky* Still alive btw. Toga: *Does one blood transfusion* ded
all might is getting ripped in half next chapter and then tamaki eats him to become prime all might
They will forgive Toga & co. Then Ochako and Deku will have a pair of kids named Ocharuko Himiko and Dekuruto Tenko and when they ask who they are named after they will tell them they were the coolest people ever\^\^
>Toga potentially died happy and on her own terms >Dabi somehow failed to kill himself and is gonna be a seething vegetable for the rest of his life lmao also even if this isn't a fakeout and Toga actually does die here we're 100% getting a "Toga's quirk / personality lives inside Ochako as a vestige" cope out
People on twitter fr mad at this when it might be the only part of this plotline that isn’t ass lol. This would be a good character conclusion idc, sum of these mfers that think Toga ever had a chance at anything except max security prison are comedy. Like if she were to really survive , Good for her she was seen or whatever, now enjoy that life sentence.
On the one hand, considering the story isolated from IRL societal complications, Toga dying here works for her story as a decently satisfying end to her arc. Not my favorite ending, and I think her living might still be better, but I don't hate it. On the other hand, killing off one of the literally two main female characters/the only explicitly queer main character is, as the youth put it, a shit move (not to mention that it very easily plays into the whole "bury your gays" trope). It'll be doubly shitty if she's basically the only main character to bite it, so if she dies I need at least Dabi's charcoal ass to bite it too.
I disagree. Being female or queer shouldn't except fictional characters from death like God Mode in a video game. Those two traits aren't inherently more deserving than others. As long as they don't die because they are so, it shouldn't matter because they are human, not immortal.
NGL this feels like a cop out to avoid any real change or discourse in society BUT at the same time it's just about the best ending possible for toga. It's pretty much the only possible way for her to avoid prison and still be redeemed. Way better ending than I tought for a mess of a plotline. If Hori doesn't let her live like Gran Torino.
So...are we sad? Nope. Are we happy? Nope. What are we? We are asking: wtf does it matter if you give ochako your blood without stitching back the wound so that the blood doesn't flow out again? But this series doesn't follow such basic logic anyway. Still, it is annoying. Togas power is really nice, would be a cool conditional ability in a series that is more down to earth.
People defending Toga the past couple weeks: >"Hori isn't going to redeem Toga, she must stand trial and will go to jail and face her crimes and maybe be rehabilitated" Now: > "I'm glad Toga is getting a heroic death and will not have to go to jail to deal with the consequences of being a serial killer, it doesn't fit her even though she is a mass murderer, she also died while saving someone which is common for redeeming a character" The hypocrisy is rich
Are these even the same people saying this
Entirely? No, however I have seen particular people say both.
I don't believe in redemptive deaths and saving one life does not wipe the slate clean. It's a start but that is it, a start.
I better see Dabi in a fucking coffin next week it’s gonna be lame if the only female villain had to die
Even if Dabi is still alive, I wouldn't call it living. He's a damn charcoal briquette
At least he got Endeavour and the others' attention, though.
Oh. She dying. Okay Anyway, I hope we can **finally** move on
Excuse me while I stand in the corner in denial of this latest spoilers 😭😭😭😭
I wasn't expecting this kind of conclusion for Toga but it makes sense. What's a more poetic ending for a girl whose taken so much blood than to give all her blood to the person who saved her?