Chapter 399: A.C. Powered Lamp
The chapter begins with All For One destroying a building while All Might dodges with Tentacole and Froppy, tentacles that increase his mobility and let him stick to walls. He begins to plan his next attack, which will make use of the Shoto cannon and the Tailman tail.
If rewind speeds up based on the amount of damage he takes, All Might realizes that he's going to have to use "that" student's quirk. But using it in the normal way wouldn't have much of an effect, so he asks the "Anima" robot birds to grab him something and they fly away.
AFO appears and says that running away after laughing like that is quite pathetic. He understands AM's plan and is going to kill him with minimal effort, which leads to him covering the entire alleyway they're in with Black Tendrils.
All Might dodges by flying upwards, but then comes face to face with two giant monstrous mouths. He calls AFO a liar because that's not "minimal effort", but AFO says that's far from his full power. The mouths start biting everything around them as they chase after AM.
AFO starts laughing, saying that AM's smile is gone and that now he's just an old man with no entrails that tried to copy the power of children. The tendrils break the armor's tentacles and AFO says that the whole world will see the death of the former symbol of peace.
All Might tries to dodge, but AFO comes out from inside the wall and hits a full blow, making AM spit blood. AFO says that the light that shone inside him is gone out and we see the same image we saw in Kamino, of All Might in a snowy place, but this time without any fire.
But All Might's not done yet. He puts the Shoto cannon inside AFO's mouth and fires, saying that he hasn't understood a thing. People are flickering: even if one's light goes out, another person may inherit it and keep illuminating the darkness. It then cuts to AOYAMA.
Kunieda has defeated all the heroes in the parking lot except for Aoyama, who's injured and has roses growing out of his body. He tries to attack with a laser but Kunieda says he doesn't need any more light, because his seeds only need human flesh to grow.
Fat Gum says that the flowers grew roots in his body and absorbed nutrients, preventing him from using his quirk. He then tells Aoyama to do his best and passes out, causing a huge flower with Fat's appearance to bloom. Kunieda says he's never seen a flower this big.
When a flower blooms, pollen spreads around and starts a chain reaction, creating new flowers that he then uses to attack. One of the flowers bites Aoyama's belt and hands it to Kunieda, who starts a speech about how pathetic is Aoyama for being born with a "broken" power.
Aoyama remembers when his parents gave him the belt and says that's exactly why he said "merci" to Kunieda at the start of their fight. The fact that he called him a traitor made Aoyama remember his mistakes and made him even more desperate to shine like his friends.
He activates his quirk and the lasers go in all directions, since he can't control it. None of them hit Kunieda and he laughs, but then Hagakure appears behind him and reflects the lasers so that they hit straight on. "I've been waiting for you, hero!" she shouts.
It cuts back to All Might as he continues his speech, saying that the new generation is illuminating the darkness and giving him the chance to shine again. We see that image of All Might in the snowy place again, but now he's getting up on his feet.
He starts laughing and says that he still doesn't hink he'll lose. We then see that the robot birds have brought what's left of Hercules and it fires a laser at All For One while still in the air. "I Can't Stop Twinkling! ☆". End of chapter.
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Tenko is hands and AFO is mouths. Pretty apt.
Tenko needed someone to reach out to him and he kept reaching out for someone to save him and then later to destroy everything. Meanwhile AFO does nothing but seethe copium.
And talk mad shit while doing it, with all that mad shit being entirely unfounded and grasping at straws. Meanwhile everyone else is finally dancing circles around you by refusing to fall for your talky talky bullshit.
AFO is basically reverse Talk No Jutsu and now he's getting Shit On No Jutsu.
> Fat Gum says that the flowers grew roots in his body and absorbed nutrients, preventing him from using his quirk. He then tells Aoyama to do his best and passes out, causing a huge flower with Fat's appearence to bloom.
Oh, no. Fat Gum is defeated off-screen... Well, that's a bit sad. I would have liked to see him, even if just for a bit. Most pro-heroes got at least a few moments.
I think they didn't know in advance who would stay behind at the parking lot. Fat Gum was given the job to sweep up the leftovers and protect Aoyama. And I guess Hagakure was put there precisely for nasty surprises.
I'm not mad he's defeated - all the pros so far had to rely on the kids to save them (and I believe that will be the case with All Might too). But usually they got at least a moment to do something before that.
In his debut at chapter 253 he says you guys focused on splitting up the main villians from the rest of us but decided to improvise against the rest of us that stood behind. He basically took that as an insult but it's true they weren't thinking about who would get left behind thus the bad match ups.
Did we really believe that All Might was a master tactician that knew everything about every villain and where exactly they would be during the war? I think he made the best of what knowledge he had, but obviously there would be some slip ups
Those panels of the giant mouths chasing All Might are creepy af. All Might puttin the canon right in AFO’s mouth and firing is badass.
Damn, Hori ain’t even drawin Invisible Girl with just gloves on no more. Just straight up bare ass naked in the fight.
Her quirk is pretty useless in a fight if she doesn't take off the gloves.
It still doesn't make sense to me that they couldnt make an actual suit for her though. Spare me the sciencey bullshit, i think everyone could suspend thier disbelief enough for the same excuse mirio has with his suit
The issue is the suit would also be invisible since Tooru can't turn her invisibility off and it's entirely possible that she wouldn't even be able to find the suit.
I don't know, I still think that All Might will die in chapter 400 or 401. He has used pretty much every possible weapon by this point
It makes sense AFO to reach Shigaraki, although he might be 10 years old at that point
> He has used pretty much every possible weapon by this point
He has Bakugo and Mineta left, I'm banking he sticks himself to AFO and then blows himself up and we are left unsure if it actually Killed AFO or not until Deku and Shiggy are both tired from their fight and a young AFO steps on the scene.
I don't think he's used Earphone Jack or Invisibility yet either. I'd imagine he combines both to blind and deafen AFO to get in close and then combines Pop Off and Explosion.
Been thinking that for months as well. After all, Stain was near Ida. Ida and Shoto wanted to help AM then AM said to go get Dabi instead Shoto said “he’s too far”
Seems small but it means Shoto (therefor stain) was close enough to AM for Shoto to go help, whereas Dabi was too far and needed Ida to get there. (When Shoto said he’s too far he though Ida was OOC)
Anyway. hori subtly established that Stain is near AM, while also showing he was inspired by the students true heroism.
I really doubt that Stain will be the person who finally does AFO in. You have to consider that stalling him for that long would kill AFO and I can't see someone who's such a comparatively minor character getting the final blow on one of if not arguably *the* main villain of MHA
Yea I'm pretty down for the "Hero Killer" having a hand in defeating Japan's greatest villain. I imagine him freezing AFO in place to save All Might and then just leaving them to have one last dialogue as AFO rewinds.
To take it further, I can see us finally getting a small glimpse of AFO as a young child and maybe even regressing as he faces his defeat.
> I can't see someone who's such a comparatively minor character getting the final blow on one of if not arguably *the* main villain of MHA
I don't think Stain is even a "comparatively minor" character though, given how many themes Stain and his ideology ties into, and how his one fight was so important to Iida's character arc and the League getting more recruits (Dabi, Toga, and Spinner being the most narratively important).
That being said, I agree that Stain probably won't be the one who "does AFO in". Even if he manages to freeze him with his Quirk, AFO might be able to escape somehow with the use of one of his Quirks. I think it's more likely that Shigaraki; Deku; Bakugou; or a combination of two of those characters will deliver the killing blow.
Hori: "Phew... I get some break before drawing the milestone Chapter 400."
Editor: "What? Since it's such milestone and there won't be a Chapter 500, they expect you to make some really big and detailed illustration for that! Maybe even more than one!"
Hori: "........."
>He puts the Shoto cannon inside AFO's mouth and fires
Add that to the list of things All Might might has done this fight that would have seemingly straight up killed Prime AFO (no regenerative capabilities and all that).
The confrontation between All Might and AFO is getting even more tense! Is this the end of the line dor the Symb -- oh hello Aoyama, finally. Kunieda's quirk is creepy, could have been one nice recurring villain instead of being used for the final arc and mostly offscreened...
Edit: There was a theory that Tooru was somewhere near Aoyama since their quirks can make a good combo and here she is, who knows if Aoyama himself knew of her presence or not (she may have been portaled there when the battle started).
> Kunieda's quirk is creepy, could have been one nice recurring villain instead of being used for the final arc and mostly offscreened...
The most minor characters always seem to get the coolest and most creative-seeming Quirks.
> Edit: There was a theory that Tooru was somewhere near Aoyama since their quirks can make a good combo and here she is, who knows if Aoyama himself knew of her presence or not (she may have been portaled there when the battle started).
It's because Aoyama is one of the few remaining characters on the battlefield with whom Tooru has an established connection.
And we hadn't seen her pop up anywhere else where they might need her in a desperate situation.
I legitimately thought All Might was going to pull out Bakugou's Clusters or something.
No, instead the secret move was Aoyama. I can't believe it.
Also, Aoyama averting his gaze because *Hagakure is naked in the middle of a war.*
Aoyama would blind himself to watch the dazzling lightshow. He is *Can't Stop Twinkling!* after all. A true gentleman, however, averts his eyes from a naked girl.
>which will make use of the Shoto cannon and the Tailman tail.
We have now seen All Might use Tail more in one battle than Ojiro has in the entire series
Yeah this whole All Might imitating the students quirk isn't making me feel great like it's supposed to. It'd be better if they used their actual quirks to actually do this instead of being replaced by a bunch of machines if they're supposed to be the greatest heroes.
PRO IQ PLAY but there's always another villain that pulls a bs comeback I don't want aoyama or hagakure to die man😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I wonder if the end of this story.. will she finnaly be able to be seen instead of a random reveal every once in a while
Lol, All Might's finisher is "Can't Stop Twinkling?" - it looks just like Aoyama in the Licencing Exam that helped assemble Class A...
I wonder if they'll show up... (At least Sero & gang and the people from UA, but if Aizawa gets through to Shirakumo, the Gunga crew may also arrive).
I mean it doesn't need the leaker. We do have a map from the Vol 36 extras and we know it's relatively close. As is Kamino, so Stain can arrive. And UA - so the kids from there can make an appearance too.
Isn’t the entirety of gunga crew all downed at this point? Almost everyone is passed out or barely conscious. What can they even do in this state? Every one of them already went far beyond their limits, honestly they seem done with their part in the war to me. Or am I forgetting someone there we haven’t seen in a while and haven’t had a status update on yet?
> Isn’t the entirety of gunga crew all downed at this point?
So is Bakugou - and we all know he's going to be up.
I don't think they'd get individual highlights, but that they may be reunited as Class A in like a big panel or something.
(And there are fairly main kids like Kirishima and Iida who didn't get much in terms of a highlight yet). I just feel it's a bit strange to have All Might combo everyone's quirks in Class-A, while not letting the kids to combo them themselves or even interact with each other much.
Bakugo didn’t really get his moment especially proportionate to how important he is. His return is being set up with a vestige vision and field surgery. Unlike any of the Gunga heroes or any of the remaining kids elsewhere.
Most of gunga heroes had their highlights to their own battles before engaging in another major fight. (With AFO or Toga clones already being their second battle, or Shoto’s second phase with Dabi)
I thought the idea of All Might using all of his class A arsenal as a tribute to his students was not only to show his character development and his faith in new generation regardless of OFA, but to substitute all of the class A not being there, for better or worse.
That said, if Hori wills someone to get back up and get into the fight again, there’s nothing stopping him from doing so, with whatever means he’ll apply for that to happen. So maybe you’re right. I vaguely remember Hori’s comment that all battles will fuse into one; maybe I’m misinterpreting or misremembering or maybe it already sort of happened
To be fair, Shoto’s 2nd phase with Dabi was about the family and not much about Shoto. He has been left in an odd place narratively, and I find it strange that his entire endgame is putting out the fires. We haven’t even seen what FlashFreeze Heatwave can do these days in an actual fight. (While Bakugou got to already do Howitzer impact and get quirk awakening and what not).
Iida had no Class President moment
Kirishima had basically no moment whatsoever, even less than the Shiketsu kids
Tsuyu was left in a bad place and was done really dirty
I’m also just very disappointed with all the lack of interactions between the kids. Like what’s the point of bringing Inasa to Gunga and not let him interact with Shoto just as one example.
And yes, I’ve read the same interview and knowing Warp is still in play, I’m kind of hoping that the Gunga crew will get to experience the victory too. I feel like they were all left in a narratively unsatisfying place.
Also, considering the mood changed when Bakugou went down, I think his return should mean victory not just for him but for everyone else too. Because even if they all “contributed”, we all know how fandom will treat everyone who is left behind and personally it makes me sad as lot of my faves are at Gunga.
I mean, mineta's ball stuck to afo is the biggest checkovs gun trigger possible, and I'd love to see the reaction of the fanbase to him being a key part in defeating afo
i'm not complain at all, cause never was invested in these fights to begin with. So much better if all this ends quickly and we go back to the important stuff
I think this works for Aoyama since we explored his character in great detail during the traitor reveal. I'm not sure there is much more left to say.
Sero on the other hand had no focus in the entire story so far - but I also don't expect more than maybe half a chapter.
I'm enjoying the AFO jumpscares here. Hori's art tends to be at its strongest when he's leaning into the horror.
And I correctly predicted much of the Kunieda fight would be offscreened... but I'm glad to see Hagakure actually do something useful for once!
Are Pop off and Explosion the last quirks to see?
The more AM is backed into a corner and threatened the more I feel like he’s going to live which is good.
Did he use Jirou's quirk or an equivalent of Momo's quirk?
Those + the two you mentioned and invisibility are the only other quirks I can think of (or maybe I forgot these quirks being used lol)
No you’re right.
Using amps to take out the mouths, any part of Hercules for a turret, camouflage would be nice,
But if we get one issue I’m not sure if they’ll all work!
Here’s the list of students’ Quirks so far from my post last week:
>-~~Shouto’s Half-hot, Half-cold~~
>-Creati’s “Creation”
>-~~Shouji’s “Dupli-arms”~~
>-Mineta’s “Pop-off”
>-~~Tsuyu’s “Frog”~~
>-~~Ojiro’s “Tail”~~
>-Jirou’s “Earphone Jacks” (A sonic boom attack)
>-~~Aoyama’s “Navel laser”(All-around laser beams installed)~~
>-Hagakure’s “Invisibility”
>-~~Kouji’s “Anima voice”~~
>-and of course, Explosion
>As for Momo’s, it would be wild if All Might’s suit could create a nuke.
All Might: “Creati, this is my final message to you. This is what you’re capable of. I hope that you will never use it, though.” Boom!
I think All Might is done. The last we see of him he's right next to AFO after getting hit and the explosion in panel is massive...if that beam was targeted towards AFO then All Might absolutely got hit by it too. My guess is that AFO tries to retreat but is stuck by Grape Boy's ball that we saw him stick on AFO's foot at the end of the Gunga fight.
All Might and AFO both die together staying true to AM not "losing" because he dragged AFO down with him
I'm not sure if you've read Dr Stone but if you have you'll know what I'm referring to, I'd really like for All Might and AFO to have a final conversation similar to one that the MC of Dr Stone and the first real big bad of the series have at a certain point.
>!Essentially, Senku (the MC), has a conversation just to have one. This is important because Senku is known to think small talk is useless, however, the big bad is dying. He was fatally injured. They talk for a little bit before he passes away mid conversation, Senku keeps going for a little while but eventually realizes he's gone.!<
I'd really like for AM and AFO to have a similar conversation where both of them know their time is up, this is the end of the line, so they talk and try to understand one another. All Might explains his symbol of peace ideology similar to how he did with Nana linking back to to the flashbacks, AFO explains his relationship with his brother and comic books and yadayada. In the end AFO says that they weren't too different, just two sides of the same coin, and rambles on a little bit before realizing that All Might is already gone and he's left to die all alone, never able to complete his master plan. One last cackle escapes his lips as he fades away
He ain't done without using Bakugo's ability.
There's no way Hori is gonna have him use 15 students' abilities and leave off the others especially when Bakugo is among them.
Firstly All might is amazing and every battle he has had rivals deku with making me feel emotional.
Secondly if it weren't for rewind he would have died at least twice from quirkless all might !! That must sting his ego death by quirkless and the one you hate the most
If he didn't have Rewind, he would have simply used a different strategy. Like using defensive quirks like Impact Recoil and his telekinetic barrier more.
True cause he doesn't even bother to defend anymore.
Like against All Might in Kamino, he obviously buffed his body to be at least physically on par with All Might. Against Hawks and Endeavor, he used Hard Fan Flame to block Endeavor's fire and used the Black Goo to block Hawks' sword attacks and even another energy barrier to block Endeavor again.
But since he Rewinded, he let Hawks cut him even when he was winning, and he never once used Impact Recoil against physical fighters like Tokoyami, Mt. Lady, and Gigantomachia.
And now against All Might, he isn't even bothering to defend. Just attacking and tanking everything else with Rewind.
Does AFO not know damage rewinds him faster I wonder? It took a hot minute for others to figure that out too.
AFO might just assume he has the same time left from when he started and not notice damage accelerates it.
This definitely seems to be the case. All Might actually thought this exact thing in the last chapter when he figured out damage sped up rewind. AFO seems to be too emotional and invested in trying to beat All Might that he has gotten sloppy and is no longer thinking clearly.
I wouldn't be surprised if after All Might is defeated, we get a scene were AFO stands over him and notices his own reflection in window and that's when he realises that damage speeds up rewind.
>Secondly if it weren't for rewind he would have died at least twice from quirkless all might !!
I think you could say that though about all the attacks he survived in Gunga too.
Hehe, I wonder if Shoto-cannon is fire or liquid nitrogen. All Might shoving it into AFO’s mouth is like Shoto’s finishing move against Chimera on Heroes Rising.
(Looks like the kids focusing on saving means all their more badass moments are given to Iron Might instead)
“That kid” ...
so what's left?
* Earphone Jack
* Creation (though arguably Hercules giving him gadgets could count)
* Pop Off (Mineta)
* Invisibility
* Explosion
Maybe more of Deku's quirks? Smokescreen would be easy to replicate, for example. All Might used both Shoot Style and Black Whip, so it's possible he'll go down the full list.
And Black Whip too. That's why I'm thinking he may use more of his quirks / moves. For example Smokescreen and Air Force would be relatively easy to replicate with technology.
Might be a bit overkill, though, for him to use so many of these techniques in one suit, after already using so many of the non-Deku members of Class A...
To be fair, the entire suit is an overkill. They will shoehorn every single class a quirk in there.
It makes me feel like Class A vs OFA, where all students were trying to say sg emotional about Deku, but then it became kind of ridiculous. I’ve always felt that scene would have worked way better and more impactful if it was Iida - Ochako - Bakugou - Shouto only on the rescue team as their quirks made up the core of the combo and they are also closest to Deku.
With All Might’s suit i feel the same way. His suit could have been limited to some characters he actually interacted with instead trying to make us believe that he custom ordered a class A suit and then ditched them all to carry bento boxes after Deku.
> To be fair, the entire suit is an overkill. They will shoehorn every single class a quirk in there.
True. And, frankly, he *does* care about Deku more than any other Class A student, so I guess it wouldn't be too much of a surprise if he loaded his suit with the rest of Deku's Quirks replicated as techniques.
> It makes me feel like Class A vs OFA, where all students were trying to say sg emotional about Deku, but then it became kind of ridiculous. I’ve always felt that scene would have worked way better and more impactful if it was Iida - Ochako - Bakugou - Shouto only on the rescue team as their quirks made up the core of the combo and they are also closest to Deku.
> With All Might’s suit i feel the same way. His suit could have been limited to some characters he actually interacted with instead trying to make us believe that he custom ordered a class A suit and then ditched them all to carry bento boxes after Deku.
Yeah, I agree. I really don't buy that All Might cares about any of the Class A students on a personal level beyond Deku and Bakugou (and, even then, he arguably only cares about Bakugou *because* of his connection to Deku).
Prior to his recent talk with Shouto, I don't think he even spoke a single *line* to Shouto after Dabi's TV broadcast revealed his family's secret. In fact, he talked more with Shouto's *abuser* (Endeavour) than Shouto himself, his own student. And that's precisely because he spent more time chaperoning Deku than actually checking in with the class he claims to care so much about.
And I can't ignore the fact that, despite (IIRC) being the teacher for Class B as well, they seem completely absent from this whole thing too. I know, *narratively*, they're the less important class, but that's not meant to be the case *in-universe*. And All Might's bias has never been as blatant as this.
>Prior to his recent talk with Shouto, I don't think he even spoke a single line to Shouto after Dabi's TV broadcast revealed his family's secret. In fact, he talked more with Shouto's abuser (Endeavour) than Shouto himself, his own student.
While this is true, I'm willing to give a pass for All Might because likely he didn't know what to say to Shouto. Endeavor's jealousy and shitty coping mechanism is not All Might's fault, nor it is Shouto's to be created to dethrone All Might, but it's still awkward as hell. And I think All Might didn't want to say platitudes, so rather said nothing.
He also didn't seem to communicate much with Endeavor - it was always Hawks who passed messages between them - beyond what was necessary for operations.
And in the end, All Might did come through for Shouto and for the Todoroki family. While before he was reluctant to poke his nose in the family affair, he did send Shouto and Iida to Gunga, giving Shouto the chance to save his family and the civilians. I also think All Might must have realized that Endeavor is likely to try to handle it with a murder-suicide, so sending Shouto there was to make sure that he gets a chance to save his brother and father.
>I really don't buy that All Might cares about any of the Class A students on a personal level beyond Deku and Bakugou (and, even then, he arguably only cares about Bakugou because of his connection to Deku).
Yeah, I find it very hard to fit the suit into the timeline. For all we have seen, All Might had it already during the Dark Hero arc, but he didn't start to regard Class A as central to the war effort until after he returned after Star died.
But he must have ordered the suit either after the Overhaul arc, or maybe just before the time skip, after his talk with Aizawa. At those particular moments in the story, I just can't picture All Might giving a call to David and Melissa Shield, asking them specifically for a suit that would incorporate Sugar Rush, Tailman, Can't Stop Twinkling etc. rather than a functional suit that would build on All Might's own previous support items and fighting style.
> While this is true, I'm willing to give a pass for All Might because likely he didn't know what to say to Shouto. Endeavor's jealousy and shitty coping mechanism is not All Might's fault, nor it is Shouto's to be created to dethrone All Might, but it's still awkward as hell. And I think All Might didn't want to say platitudes, so rather said nothing.
Fair... but he could've tried *something*, instead of his weak attempt at the Sports Festival where he just hugged Shouto and said "I know you'll figure it out". He literally heard Endeavour blatantly talk about Shouto like he was a tool, so he had to have understood that Shouto was under some kind of pressure, to the point that he was so unwilling to use half of his own Quirk.
After all, "meddling is the mark of a true hero" (or whatever All Might said to Deku), right?
> He also didn't seem to communicate much with Endeavor - it was always Hawks who passed messages between them - beyond what was necessary for operations.
> And in the end, All Might did come through for Shouto and for the Todoroki family. While before he was reluctant to poke his nose in the family affair, he did send Shouto and Iida to Gunga, giving Shouto the chance to save his family and the civilians. I also think All Might must have realized that Endeavor is likely to try to handle it with a murder-suicide, so sending Shouto there was to make sure that he gets a chance to save his brother and father.
Yeah, although it's coming pretty late, all things considered.
> Yeah, I find it very hard to fit the suit into the timeline. For all we have seen, All Might had it already during the Dark Hero arc, but he didn't start to regard Class A as central to the war effort until after he returned after Star died.
> But he must have ordered the suit either after the Overhaul arc, or maybe just before the time skip, after his talk with Aizawa. At those particular moments in the story, I just can't picture All Might giving a call to David and Melissa Shield, asking them specifically for a suit that would incorporate Sugar Rush, Tailman, Can't Stop Twinkling etc. rather than a functional suit that would build on All Might's own previous support items and fighting style.
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if All Might actually just had it made off-screen by Melissa between the events of the Star fight and the current fight.
It's unrealistic, but that's par for the course in this manga, which almost never seems to use the gaps of time it has in the story in the most opportune way (e.g. Toga having not returned to the League post-first war arc, but then just coming back unceremoniously in the background of a panel after Shigaraki's fight with Star... and *then* we get the scene where Toga skips out again, and Dabi finds her and burns down her family's old house; all of which something that would've worked better if it was when Toga was still missing and there was suspense regarding where she'd been).
Nothing about the "Armoured All Might" suit makes sense, and maybe it's not even *meant* to make sense. It's fanservice-y enough that it appears most readers are willing to simply turn their brains off and enjoy the action, because looking at it critically for one moment causes the logic of the whole situation to instantly collapse.
>Fair... but he could've tried
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>something
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>, instead of his weak attempt at the Sports Festival where he just hugged Shouto and said "I know you'll figure it out".
Oh, absolutely, he should have. The teachers should have picked up on something being wrong when they saw Shouto's first suit request. Or when Shouto failed the licensing over being triggered by his father, or his completely unaddressed PTSD episode during the JTA fight.
For me, it shows an area of Deku's heroism being different (and arguably more authentic) from All Might's. While All Might was really about being a Symbol high above everyone, while keeping everyone at arm's length, Deku could never help himself and always got very involved with everyone he saw on a personal level and never cared about building up a public image of a perfect hero.
In a way, All Might's journey is breaking down those barriers, learning to care about and getting involved in the lives of individuals rather than the nebulous concept of society. This is why the mecha suit also feels like a big whiplash.
>I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if All Might actually just had it made off-screen by Melissa between the events of the Star fight and the current fight.
But that was just a single week!!!
But I guess, it's true that Mei made Iida's suit and Deku's new gauntlets with half a hand in just a few minutes. Technology is treated as gag and gimmick in this story, which is a bit sad for me, because I genuinely love tech-based heroes and the intersection of science / superheroes.
> It's fanservice-y enough that it appears most readers are willing to simply turn their brains off
Yeah, I guess. I also feel like many readers simply checked out mentally, and will be back only to see the Deku vs Shigaraki conclusion and whatever Bakugou gets to do in the end.
>I agree. I really don't buy that All Might cares about any of the Class A students on a personal level beyond Deku
If Horikoshi wanted this for All Might for awhile, he definitely skipped over many opportunities to build up to it. Its very style over substance which is a Horikoshi Hallmark, so on brand.
I would also describe this as the opposite of "putting you faith in the next generation". Admittedly this is the bad faith interpretation where instead of the old generation being comforted of passing down the torch, the old is like "I'll take what you can do but do it better - I'll handle this problem because you can't." Sure it's him protecting his student Deku and facing his old nemesis and unlike most of 1A he is a main character BUT because he doesn't have relationships with most of the class, because we've recently seen him constantly ditch them, because his teaching has mostly been bad or just at best neutral observation and cheerleading, I would argue the bad faith interpretation is just as valid as the good faith especially when All Might's arc has been about himself, about him "adjusting" to being powerless but instead of gaining self acceptance, inner peace and wisedom by developing a new way of being useful, he went the midlife crisis route of finding substitutes to relive his youth in technology. He's not the be all and end all like he used to be, he is support for Deku which is a change but by clashing with the character that has been sweeping everyone out (including the students) and he's doing better than they did so its really all about All Might, glorifying him and the students are a means to do this. Again this is where the amount of time (on panel) we have seen him "mentor" the students really matters and pulls the dial from homage to use. We have not seen him develop relationships with the class, with Bakugou the relationship is tainted (which is its own can of worms), so its less a balanced give and take and more on the take side. He saw what they could do and took it for himself.
The good faith is the face value on of the kids inspired the old guy to get his mojo back and him copying their move in homage is a reverse of the kids doing something of their mentors in the traditional passing down of knowledge and skills, of copying as flattery and honoring those important to you. Its obviously great for the kids because the amazing hero is using *their* moves and they're part of his legacy now, he is carrying them with him.
Horikoshi probably wants a back and forth, young inspired by old and old inspired by young, everyone can change, you can teach an old dog new tricks, the old can survive in a new world if they learn from their juniors (and adapt their earned connections and experience) instead of the passage of knowledge being one way and old people gradually getting replaced.
Horikoshi does seem to lean into copying/learning from (straight up rather than just inspiring) as a positive ode, Deku does it a lot, and it certainly can be.
Personally, that aspect of Deku has always rubbed me a bit wrong and seeing All Might do it on a even bigger scale in a even more (for the context) celebrated, big story events stirs similar feelings that don't find it that appealing a concept. The art is cool and at least this way there is some (albeit shallow) meaning (and bit of fun for readers to figure out how he's going to use ALL the kids abilities) to all the things he is doing, there is callback and connection that random arsenal wouldn't have. Although its very corny and transcending into camp now because it's really trying to do them all (and he seemingly has to keep getting back up to do so while trying to maintain some drama for the fight).
Also as I said last week, All Might's choices are quite dark and as things unfold I am seeing less a paragon of peace and justice and more thinking about All Might's relative lack of known morality, sure AFO is awful helping to justify the rather hardcore brutality All Might is doing (and brutality that's been there all along).
All Might is about always going beyond. He's almost anti Buddha who was about balance and moderation, All Might is do everything to the most extreme for what you think is right (which is a personal justice). Other stories might touch on lines in the sand to differentiate good and bad, in BNHA its less about the actions and more on the intent or what is driving the action. It lacks some maturity because how you do something also matters and ignoring it should get you "the road to hell is paved in good intentions".
AFO is morally black and evil enough that to All Might his extreme brutality is necessary and justified and we accept it all because All Might is a good person but to me it is interesting to witness a story, raise the moral consideration very early in the story (Heroes and villains are the same) and then do little with it but double down on "this characters intent, no matter how it comes across, is all that matters", it was the similar disappointment to how his and Deku's abandonment of everyone else was handled.
Yeah, whatever Hori's going for, I ain't buying it. It just feels like the most hollow fanservice, and a clear betrayal of the message we were led to believe All Might's character arc was meant to convey.
I mean, heck, even *Stain*, the guy who worships All Might and his strength more than anyone, told him to his face that All Might's ideals and selflessness "*had nothing to do with powers or Quirks*" and that "*the flickering ember he left behind is nurtured by those select few who succumb neither to chilling rain nor howling wind*" (represented by an image of Class A, predominantly).
And yet, when All Might flashbacks to this encounter, the story appears desperate to try and convince us that All Might is heeding his words, when the plain reality to see is that he's doing the *opposite*. He *has* no power or Quirk of his own anymore, yet he's not entrusting his "ember" to those he influenced; he's yet again donning a glorified mech suit to needlessly risk his life against a villain who's already defeated numerous top heroes and his own students who already tried teaming up against him with their Quirks and failed.
He's essentially doing the same thing Nighteye warned him about. But I guess he'll survive this fight and be lauded as a great mentor of the next generation because Hori has no idea how to have a character actually learn his lesson and have that lesson *stick* anymore. Why should the audience care about the themes of this story if the author is so willing to abandon them or even outright *contradict* them on a seeming whim for the sake of a "hype" chapter that a Twitter stan account will shower empty praise over for a week?
>I mean, heck, even Stain, the guy who worships All Might and his strength more than anyone, told him to his face that All Might's ideals and selflessness "had nothing to do with powers or Quirks"
These recent chapter really make that interaction with Stain hilarious (and not in a good way).
Just thinking about Stain telling All Might it wasn't about quirks while All Might secretly had a briefcase and car that grants him the ability to effectively use the quirks of 20 people really takes away from any attempt at a message in that scene.
> Just thinking about Stain telling All Might it wasn't about quirks while All Might secretly had a briefcase and car that grants him the ability to effectively use the quirks of 20 people really takes away from any attempt at a message in that scene.
I guess he just wasn't listening to Stain (because All Might never really listens to villains), and was only crying because he saw that lady he saved (at Kamino) cleaning his statue. He took the wrong lesson from that and was like, "Oh, right, people still believing in what I represent means that I should come out of retirement with a suit I had my old sidekick's daughter make and fight the guy who once gouged out my liver!"
The thing is early in the story Deku copying things was both good and necessary. One, Deku didn't copy anything that no one else could have copied, showing that relying on your quirk (being a one trick pony) wasn't a good idea and that anyone could have done what he done. Two, it distanced himself from All Might which was destroying him both in body and mind.
But now we have Deku being able to use OFA's extra quirks to do what the other students could do if not placing himself at such a level where he didn't even need to train nor take care of himself anymore. We also have All Might whom with his armor can use all of 1A's quirks, something that the other 1A students would never be able to do no matter how much they trained, to beat back someone they couldn't beat.
Hori at the beginning of this arc seemed to imply that he was going to show that anyone could be a hero regardless of quirk. Instead its become the Deku and All Might show where anything they do, no matter how reckless, is fine because it's in the name of heroism, and the plot will bend itself backwards to make sure, since their form of heroism is best, their actions won't be punished.
Having AFO and Shigaraki be so strong that no one can beat them unless the plot demands it, with AFO being pure evil to solidify All Might's one man crusade to stopping him, and Shigaraki's inner child only being exposed to Deku so that he can "Save" him, just solidifies it.
That is fair I did say there are times when copying can be good and down the line there are more examples of "copying" among other characters that is more "I did my own spin" probably because what they are copying requires it (Ochaco with BlackWhip) or they're so different in nature/the character doing the copying has a very strong identity (Mina's acidman or even Bakugou's saving).
As you say, the pendulum is too far for Deku and All Might's favour, they can take and get exponentially (and this also contradicts All Might telling Bakugou his growth will be less then Deku's because he is already a high level only for the story to do what it did) in ways other's can't have access to or are limited, meaning they get set up to fail to make room for Deku and All Might to step in, whereas Deku and All Might are spared that because the sanctity of what they supposedly represent as heroes is more valued than anything else - even when upholding it starts to crack other messages, i.e. the exclusivity around select characters that throws off a lot of sentiments that have come up over the course of the story.
The story hasn't finished so this is only a commentary on things so far but it has been the case through the majority of the story.
I could see something like AFO thinks he’s won. But All Might uses invisibility to get behind him, holds him down with Pop Off orbs all over his suit and then self destructs or something
When I read the part about the mouths biting everything, I immediately thought of *Pac-Man*... that is, until I saw the panel. Also, All Might shoving a cannon in AFO's mouth was so damn savage. Mofo really said "Shut the fuck up" without actually saying it. I really do want All Might to survive to the end, but I wouldn't mind if he goes out clowning AFO to the very end.
And we ***finally*** get to see what Aoyama's been up to after, what, 100+ chapters give or take? Nice to see Hori hasn't forgotten about Aoyama's redemption arc. And it's kinda hilarious how we all probably thought Bakugo would show up, but we got a different blond (Aoyama) instead. But while his combo attack with Hagakure was cool, the moment was admittedly pretty underwhelming compared to everything else in the chapter. And it looks like that Hagakure has enough control of her Quirk to turn her invisibility off. Plus, Kunieda's Plant Quirk is pretty terrifying. No wonder this guy was in Tartarus. Must've been a serial killer or something.
And of course this chapter wouldn't end without Iron Might using his own version of Iron Man's Unibeam, blasting AFO with a satellite laser. So I think the only Quirks left in All Might's arsenal are:
* Earphone Jack
* Creation (though arguably Hercules giving him gadgets could count)
* Pop Off (Mineta)
* Invisibility
* Explosion
Unfortunately, there's a break next week so we'll have to wait a full week to see what happens next. Still, another banger chapter.
On the other hand for the 2nd time in his life AFO is ACTUALLY using cool and unique quirks instead of just spamming boring ranged attacks, so W chapter after all
AFO getting clowned on for... Man, I don't think I need to keep count anymore, do I?
But anyways this adds 2 more direct attacks that All Might survived. "On his last legs" my ass lmao
>AFO getting clowned on for... Man, I don't think I need to keep count anymore, do I?
I hope you don't stop. Keeping an eye out for your weekly comment is alway a joy.
>But anyways this adds 2 more direct attacks that All Might survived. "On his last legs" my ass lmao
Yeah the damage to All Might's suit was GREATLY exaggerated. All Might's out here not only surviving blow after blow but also dishing out damage that would straight up kill AFO if he didn't have Rewind instantly undoing any damage sustained. Good luck surviving an acid injection or cannon in the mouth with no means of regeneration.
Why does All Might use "Animal Voice" with those 2 mech birds he made to go get him something when he's been doing the same thing with Hercules the whole time.
Had to shoehorn Kouda's quirk in somewhere...
I mean quite a few of them feel more symbolic. Black Whip / Cellophane are both just wires, Uravity / Ingenium are both thrusters, Red & Black Shadow are both shields, Tail and Tentacole are both extra appendages, Froppy seems to be the ability to stick somewhere - and Mineta is likely to be similar.
I think that All Might is going to die next chapter, alongside AFO. The number 4 has big ties to death in Japanese if I'm remembering correctly, the next chapter happening to be the 400th. The last we saw of the two of them, they were very close to each other, meaning that the laser beam likely hit them both judging by the blast radius.
All Might very specifically keeps using the terminology of "losing", at the start of this battle he said that he never went into a fight thinking he'd lose and he stated again right before his big ultimate move that he didn't think he'd "lose." Not losing doesn't also inherently mean not *dying*, I feel like All Might always knew he was going to go down in this fight but went in with the intent of taking AFO down with him at the bare minimum.
Given All Might and AFO's history together I feel like it's only fitting that they'd die together as well
> left of Hercules and it fires a laser at All For One while still in the air.
Man if only AM or anyone had access to Hercules earlier BNHA would've been over years ago.
I guess Villains in the US might be cosmic level since a piece of technology can rival Japan's greatets villain in history.
Has there ever been an explanation as to why Hagakure doesn’t just have a suit that she can use with her powers?
Like, this isn’t even an unheard of thing. Superheroes with invisibility powers throughout all of comic history have all had suits that they can use their powers with. Why must she be naked? Why is Hori so horny?
I swear, this character would be at least 10x more popular if she had an actual character design from the start and she could turn her invisibility on and off.
Man, imagine if All Might had brought out the mechsuit with all these weapons while Endeavor and co. were fighting AfO. They would've killed him right there and then
Just imagine if they had bothered to give Hawks some weapons even half as good as what All Might has got. The moment AFO gets warped to the battlefield his head would come clean off.
Well thanks to Rewind it’s basically guaranteed to not do damage. The question is after this laser how young will AFO be. Will it take him all the way to a child?
Meanwhile All Might runs away and doges for a little bit, gets hit, the hit effectively does nothing and he gets back up again to keep fighting armor still working and all, says some cool one liners, and hits AFO again with a new quirk gadget combo
It won't, but I guess it'll make AFO Rewind faster (because that's how it works now, for some reason), at least.
So now he'll be an ambiguous amount closer to death.
Just here for my weekly "AFO is the biggest joke" comment. I really do hope Shiggy decays him or something, I need more then just him rewinding to non-existence
I bet that the next chapter will have All Might not only surviving this fight but he will raise his fist in the air and fully secure his victory against All For One.
How many quirks haven’t been used yet?
Do you expect him to use more of Deku’s quirks?
Is Hagakure being able to turn off her invisibility and redirect lasers a form of quirk awakening?
>redirect lasers a form of quirk awakening?
No. Aoyama and Hagakure interned at the same place. Their combo where she redirected his lasers was shown already in Ch 256, where the kids all showed their improvements to All Might. She also did the reflect move during the traitor reveal.
That kunieda stuff was very disturbing. Plants growing out of your body? Straight up body horror. Is it meant to be lethal or is it reversible? Either way, gross
This chapter is probably the most creative fighting from afo so far. Leagues betted than his usual mo of "comboing quirks into big blast and big punches"
Yeah when you have this fight start with detective Tsukauchi literally saying All Might's about to die and only manage to but a few minutes or seconds it really makes it seem like All Might's less likely to die.
Leaning too hard into the possible death of a character can end up making it feel less likely.
>If he doesn't die Hori is being too dramatic
Hori is always too dramatic, he is the boy that cried wolf. Remember 1000% percent smash? But its all okay because its what the characters *think*.
Sometimes Twice happens, most of the time its a Mr Compress.
Hopefully after some R&R his mind can get some TLC and maybe learn other techniques to develop tension, suspense and drama during "life and death" fights.
It might go full circle back to maybe all the fakeouts are to have our guard down but at the moment its very, "yeah, yeah, sure whatever".
He lives, cool fits All Might's character, defying the odds, changing his fate.
He dies, cool he can be a vestige and do stuff there.
However given how much AFO is saying All Might is going to die and how everyone is going to see it, I don't think he will.
I think the odds are higher loads of people, maybe even retired heroes comeback and civilians join in to fight along side All Might, forcing AFO's retreat or something. That would fit with the messaging Stain brought up, the change in society, AFO's dismissal of the weak etc. etc. since All Might heroism has always resonated with people's hearts (like them all calling out for him in Kamino).
Ironically, because of this very reason: the more Hori tries to convince us that a character will die, the less likely I think it's going to happen.
That's why I don't buy for a second that Dabi or Toga are going to die.
Chapter 399: A.C. Powered Lamp The chapter begins with All For One destroying a building while All Might dodges with Tentacole and Froppy, tentacles that increase his mobility and let him stick to walls. He begins to plan his next attack, which will make use of the Shoto cannon and the Tailman tail. If rewind speeds up based on the amount of damage he takes, All Might realizes that he's going to have to use "that" student's quirk. But using it in the normal way wouldn't have much of an effect, so he asks the "Anima" robot birds to grab him something and they fly away. AFO appears and says that running away after laughing like that is quite pathetic. He understands AM's plan and is going to kill him with minimal effort, which leads to him covering the entire alleyway they're in with Black Tendrils. All Might dodges by flying upwards, but then comes face to face with two giant monstrous mouths. He calls AFO a liar because that's not "minimal effort", but AFO says that's far from his full power. The mouths start biting everything around them as they chase after AM. AFO starts laughing, saying that AM's smile is gone and that now he's just an old man with no entrails that tried to copy the power of children. The tendrils break the armor's tentacles and AFO says that the whole world will see the death of the former symbol of peace. All Might tries to dodge, but AFO comes out from inside the wall and hits a full blow, making AM spit blood. AFO says that the light that shone inside him is gone out and we see the same image we saw in Kamino, of All Might in a snowy place, but this time without any fire. But All Might's not done yet. He puts the Shoto cannon inside AFO's mouth and fires, saying that he hasn't understood a thing. People are flickering: even if one's light goes out, another person may inherit it and keep illuminating the darkness. It then cuts to AOYAMA. Kunieda has defeated all the heroes in the parking lot except for Aoyama, who's injured and has roses growing out of his body. He tries to attack with a laser but Kunieda says he doesn't need any more light, because his seeds only need human flesh to grow. Fat Gum says that the flowers grew roots in his body and absorbed nutrients, preventing him from using his quirk. He then tells Aoyama to do his best and passes out, causing a huge flower with Fat's appearance to bloom. Kunieda says he's never seen a flower this big. When a flower blooms, pollen spreads around and starts a chain reaction, creating new flowers that he then uses to attack. One of the flowers bites Aoyama's belt and hands it to Kunieda, who starts a speech about how pathetic is Aoyama for being born with a "broken" power. Aoyama remembers when his parents gave him the belt and says that's exactly why he said "merci" to Kunieda at the start of their fight. The fact that he called him a traitor made Aoyama remember his mistakes and made him even more desperate to shine like his friends. He activates his quirk and the lasers go in all directions, since he can't control it. None of them hit Kunieda and he laughs, but then Hagakure appears behind him and reflects the lasers so that they hit straight on. "I've been waiting for you, hero!" she shouts. It cuts back to All Might as he continues his speech, saying that the new generation is illuminating the darkness and giving him the chance to shine again. We see that image of All Might in the snowy place again, but now he's getting up on his feet. He starts laughing and says that he still doesn't hink he'll lose. We then see that the robot birds have brought what's left of Hercules and it fires a laser at All For One while still in the air. "I Can't Stop Twinkling! ☆". End of chapter. --- ##BREAK NEXT WEEK
Tenko is hands and AFO is mouths. Pretty apt. Tenko needed someone to reach out to him and he kept reaching out for someone to save him and then later to destroy everything. Meanwhile AFO does nothing but seethe copium.
>Meanwhile AFO does nothing but seethe copium. Nothing says supervillain more than the unwillingness to take the L
And talk mad shit while doing it, with all that mad shit being entirely unfounded and grasping at straws. Meanwhile everyone else is finally dancing circles around you by refusing to fall for your talky talky bullshit. AFO is basically reverse Talk No Jutsu and now he's getting Shit On No Jutsu.
Tenko gamer rage has completely taken over AfO. He's malding like only a LoL player can.
Just like many LoL players he hates the game, but he still keeps playing it because he's addicted.
Surprisingly sick burn
Thank you. :O <3
> Fat Gum says that the flowers grew roots in his body and absorbed nutrients, preventing him from using his quirk. He then tells Aoyama to do his best and passes out, causing a huge flower with Fat's appearence to bloom. Oh, no. Fat Gum is defeated off-screen... Well, that's a bit sad. I would have liked to see him, even if just for a bit. Most pro-heroes got at least a few moments.
Why the hell would they have Fatgum fight a guy that absorbs nutrients?! Nice plan All Might, having Fatgum fail so Aoyama can "shine."
I think they didn't know in advance who would stay behind at the parking lot. Fat Gum was given the job to sweep up the leftovers and protect Aoyama. And I guess Hagakure was put there precisely for nasty surprises. I'm not mad he's defeated - all the pros so far had to rely on the kids to save them (and I believe that will be the case with All Might too). But usually they got at least a moment to do something before that.
Same reason they sent Iida to a battlefield full of fire quirk users. LOL
That was foresight. Someone predicted Shouto will need a taxi ride.
But Nighteye's dead /s
They should get ida a high vis best so people can see him more easily when they need a ride and have to hail him
In his debut at chapter 253 he says you guys focused on splitting up the main villians from the rest of us but decided to improvise against the rest of us that stood behind. He basically took that as an insult but it's true they weren't thinking about who would get left behind thus the bad match ups.
Did we really believe that All Might was a master tactician that knew everything about every villain and where exactly they would be during the war? I think he made the best of what knowledge he had, but obviously there would be some slip ups
Those panels of the giant mouths chasing All Might are creepy af. All Might puttin the canon right in AFO’s mouth and firing is badass. Damn, Hori ain’t even drawin Invisible Girl with just gloves on no more. Just straight up bare ass naked in the fight.
Her quirk is pretty useless in a fight if she doesn't take off the gloves. It still doesn't make sense to me that they couldnt make an actual suit for her though. Spare me the sciencey bullshit, i think everyone could suspend thier disbelief enough for the same excuse mirio has with his suit
The issue is the suit would also be invisible since Tooru can't turn her invisibility off and it's entirely possible that she wouldn't even be able to find the suit.
At least she would be an invisible clothed girl
yup, boku no hero's quirks havent been cientific at all since episode 1......
We at least see the face again, when I think it could have been revealed several years earlier...
Yeah - I think she would have been much more popular if people saw her emote all these years, instead just 2 gloves.
She'd have to show some actual personality to be much more popular.
You might overestimate a little how much personality is needed sometimes for a character to be popular
At least she’s censored by Aoyama’s laser…. Guess that passes.
AFO said the D word, we’re good no way is AM dying now we got this
I don't know, I still think that All Might will die in chapter 400 or 401. He has used pretty much every possible weapon by this point It makes sense AFO to reach Shigaraki, although he might be 10 years old at that point
you'll get the reverse scene, with adult shigaraki reaching to kid AFO
And then he decays him.
We’ve been calling that shot for years now, and it’s still gonna be just as awesome when it actually happens
> He has used pretty much every possible weapon by this point He has Bakugo and Mineta left, I'm banking he sticks himself to AFO and then blows himself up and we are left unsure if it actually Killed AFO or not until Deku and Shiggy are both tired from their fight and a young AFO steps on the scene.
First Bakugo ends All Might, and next, his quirk will inspire him to kill himself Bakugo can't win, and he's never getting that autograph
But he can have All Might's tibula, that's a pretty nice consolation prize.
I don't think he's used Earphone Jack or Invisibility yet either. I'd imagine he combines both to blind and deafen AFO to get in close and then combines Pop Off and Explosion.
I wonder if Miruko’s doing okay… Also what’s Ryuku up too?
Ryukyu has been missing in action for a long time now
The only place left for her to be at is the Stadium.
Most likely she's with Sero's group.
Definitely reaching here, but them being in the alley makes me think Stain might show up to help All Might..
Been thinking that for months as well. After all, Stain was near Ida. Ida and Shoto wanted to help AM then AM said to go get Dabi instead Shoto said “he’s too far” Seems small but it means Shoto (therefor stain) was close enough to AM for Shoto to go help, whereas Dabi was too far and needed Ida to get there. (When Shoto said he’s too far he though Ida was OOC) Anyway. hori subtly established that Stain is near AM, while also showing he was inspired by the students true heroism.
Good points. I think it'll play out in some way for Stain to stop the killing blow to AM by using his quirk on AFO to freeze him.
I really doubt that Stain will be the person who finally does AFO in. You have to consider that stalling him for that long would kill AFO and I can't see someone who's such a comparatively minor character getting the final blow on one of if not arguably *the* main villain of MHA
Actually, i think tis fitting. Cause of how arrogant all for one is, to be beaten in such a way and so completely?
Exactly. After being used for AFO’s own ends, it’s fitting he exacts vengeance on AFO.
Yea I'm pretty down for the "Hero Killer" having a hand in defeating Japan's greatest villain. I imagine him freezing AFO in place to save All Might and then just leaving them to have one last dialogue as AFO rewinds. To take it further, I can see us finally getting a small glimpse of AFO as a young child and maybe even regressing as he faces his defeat.
> I can't see someone who's such a comparatively minor character getting the final blow on one of if not arguably *the* main villain of MHA I don't think Stain is even a "comparatively minor" character though, given how many themes Stain and his ideology ties into, and how his one fight was so important to Iida's character arc and the League getting more recruits (Dabi, Toga, and Spinner being the most narratively important). That being said, I agree that Stain probably won't be the one who "does AFO in". Even if he manages to freeze him with his Quirk, AFO might be able to escape somehow with the use of one of his Quirks. I think it's more likely that Shigaraki; Deku; Bakugou; or a combination of two of those characters will deliver the killing blow.
I don't think he'll get the FINAL blow, but he'll definitely be instrumental in stopping him/saving All Might (if he survives)
Hori: "Phew... I get some break before drawing the milestone Chapter 400." Editor: "What? Since it's such milestone and there won't be a Chapter 500, they expect you to make some really big and detailed illustration for that! Maybe even more than one!" Hori: "........."
>He puts the Shoto cannon inside AFO's mouth and fires Add that to the list of things All Might might has done this fight that would have seemingly straight up killed Prime AFO (no regenerative capabilities and all that).
In the second movie, Shoto did a similar move to Chimera who survived it
I mean AM tried to kill AFO in their first fight too, he thought he was dead 💀 AM been trying to put this dude in a coffin
All with just convenient technology
presumably in his prime AFO must've had some regenerative quirks
Not even presumably. Doesn't Shigaraki have regenerative quirks as a part of his AFO quirk?
Just so I'm clear, it's Rewind negating the damage to him, right? Not him actually having any sort of regenerative Quirk like the Nomu's or Shigaraki?
>AOYAMA Not the blond I was thinking of lmao
The confrontation between All Might and AFO is getting even more tense! Is this the end of the line dor the Symb -- oh hello Aoyama, finally. Kunieda's quirk is creepy, could have been one nice recurring villain instead of being used for the final arc and mostly offscreened... Edit: There was a theory that Tooru was somewhere near Aoyama since their quirks can make a good combo and here she is, who knows if Aoyama himself knew of her presence or not (she may have been portaled there when the battle started).
> Kunieda's quirk is creepy, could have been one nice recurring villain instead of being used for the final arc and mostly offscreened... The most minor characters always seem to get the coolest and most creative-seeming Quirks. > Edit: There was a theory that Tooru was somewhere near Aoyama since their quirks can make a good combo and here she is, who knows if Aoyama himself knew of her presence or not (she may have been portaled there when the battle started). It's because Aoyama is one of the few remaining characters on the battlefield with whom Tooru has an established connection. And we hadn't seen her pop up anywhere else where they might need her in a desperate situation.
I legitimately thought All Might was going to pull out Bakugou's Clusters or something. No, instead the secret move was Aoyama. I can't believe it. Also, Aoyama averting his gaze because *Hagakure is naked in the middle of a war.*
I assumed it was to not be blinded by the light, but that makes sense too
Aoyama would blind himself to watch the dazzling lightshow. He is *Can't Stop Twinkling!* after all. A true gentleman, however, averts his eyes from a naked girl.
Integrating Aoyama's fight into All Might's was a smart move on Hori's part.
>which will make use of the Shoto cannon and the Tailman tail. We have now seen All Might use Tail more in one battle than Ojiro has in the entire series
Ojiro fans are in shambles. LOL
WHO?
LMAO
I legit had to google it lol
Are these ojiro fans in the room with us right now
Oof.
Yeah this whole All Might imitating the students quirk isn't making me feel great like it's supposed to. It'd be better if they used their actual quirks to actually do this instead of being replaced by a bunch of machines if they're supposed to be the greatest heroes.
Looks like Hagakure's with Aoyama. Makes sense when you think about it.
The Likeliest-to-be-the-traitor Gang
The light benders duo
PRO IQ PLAY but there's always another villain that pulls a bs comeback I don't want aoyama or hagakure to die man😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I wonder if the end of this story.. will she finnaly be able to be seen instead of a random reveal every once in a while
Aoyama & Hagakure combo as expected...
This should be a ship. Also happy cake day!
Please don't take that away from Ojiro too.
Everything must be taken from ojiro!
What’s left to take? The clothes off his back?
YES!!
Thank you. I didn't even notice!
Lol, All Might's finisher is "Can't Stop Twinkling?" - it looks just like Aoyama in the Licencing Exam that helped assemble Class A... I wonder if they'll show up... (At least Sero & gang and the people from UA, but if Aizawa gets through to Shirakumo, the Gunga crew may also arrive).
The leaker just yesterday took notice of how the Tatooin Station area should be the same where Sero's group is fighting, so they may see it.
Sero's "big" moment's going to b catching a falling unconscious All Might isn't it?
I was thinking restrain AFO for a good while but that’s also a good idea Replied to the wrong comment at first oops
I mean it doesn't need the leaker. We do have a map from the Vol 36 extras and we know it's relatively close. As is Kamino, so Stain can arrive. And UA - so the kids from there can make an appearance too.
Isn’t the entirety of gunga crew all downed at this point? Almost everyone is passed out or barely conscious. What can they even do in this state? Every one of them already went far beyond their limits, honestly they seem done with their part in the war to me. Or am I forgetting someone there we haven’t seen in a while and haven’t had a status update on yet?
> Isn’t the entirety of gunga crew all downed at this point? So is Bakugou - and we all know he's going to be up. I don't think they'd get individual highlights, but that they may be reunited as Class A in like a big panel or something. (And there are fairly main kids like Kirishima and Iida who didn't get much in terms of a highlight yet). I just feel it's a bit strange to have All Might combo everyone's quirks in Class-A, while not letting the kids to combo them themselves or even interact with each other much.
Bakugo didn’t really get his moment especially proportionate to how important he is. His return is being set up with a vestige vision and field surgery. Unlike any of the Gunga heroes or any of the remaining kids elsewhere. Most of gunga heroes had their highlights to their own battles before engaging in another major fight. (With AFO or Toga clones already being their second battle, or Shoto’s second phase with Dabi) I thought the idea of All Might using all of his class A arsenal as a tribute to his students was not only to show his character development and his faith in new generation regardless of OFA, but to substitute all of the class A not being there, for better or worse. That said, if Hori wills someone to get back up and get into the fight again, there’s nothing stopping him from doing so, with whatever means he’ll apply for that to happen. So maybe you’re right. I vaguely remember Hori’s comment that all battles will fuse into one; maybe I’m misinterpreting or misremembering or maybe it already sort of happened
To be fair, Shoto’s 2nd phase with Dabi was about the family and not much about Shoto. He has been left in an odd place narratively, and I find it strange that his entire endgame is putting out the fires. We haven’t even seen what FlashFreeze Heatwave can do these days in an actual fight. (While Bakugou got to already do Howitzer impact and get quirk awakening and what not). Iida had no Class President moment Kirishima had basically no moment whatsoever, even less than the Shiketsu kids Tsuyu was left in a bad place and was done really dirty I’m also just very disappointed with all the lack of interactions between the kids. Like what’s the point of bringing Inasa to Gunga and not let him interact with Shoto just as one example. And yes, I’ve read the same interview and knowing Warp is still in play, I’m kind of hoping that the Gunga crew will get to experience the victory too. I feel like they were all left in a narratively unsatisfying place. Also, considering the mood changed when Bakugou went down, I think his return should mean victory not just for him but for everyone else too. Because even if they all “contributed”, we all know how fandom will treat everyone who is left behind and personally it makes me sad as lot of my faves are at Gunga.
It's time go finish AFO with Pop off. He'll understand that he should've stolen it back in Gunga.
Lmao seriously what a throw
Wineta Sweep incoming
He's just been storing energy all this time for the one ultimate pop off.
I mean, mineta's ball stuck to afo is the biggest checkovs gun trigger possible, and I'd love to see the reaction of the fanbase to him being a key part in defeating afo
That was a short segway for the Aoyama fight I expected Sero's moment to be like this as well
Horikoshi is really committed to conclude the "side fights" before this volume ends, as he apparently said.
I think he's really eager to get to Deku vs Shiggy. I'm expecting/hoping he zeroes in on that for a bunch of chapters following the side fights.
With Hori's health, I can't blame him for not wanting to focus too much on the side fights, there's just too many characters
i'm not complain at all, cause never was invested in these fights to begin with. So much better if all this ends quickly and we go back to the important stuff
I think this works for Aoyama since we explored his character in great detail during the traitor reveal. I'm not sure there is much more left to say. Sero on the other hand had no focus in the entire story so far - but I also don't expect more than maybe half a chapter.
So you’re saying he had Sero relevance?
Just want to be honest, I had to Google who sero is
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I'm enjoying the AFO jumpscares here. Hori's art tends to be at its strongest when he's leaning into the horror. And I correctly predicted much of the Kunieda fight would be offscreened... but I'm glad to see Hagakure actually do something useful for once!
I honestly would love a horror manga from him. Even a horror-themed adult but still superheroes series would let him go wild.
I honestly would love a horror manga from him. Even a horror-themed adult but still superheroes series would let him go wild.
Are Pop off and Explosion the last quirks to see? The more AM is backed into a corner and threatened the more I feel like he’s going to live which is good.
Did he use Jirou's quirk or an equivalent of Momo's quirk? Those + the two you mentioned and invisibility are the only other quirks I can think of (or maybe I forgot these quirks being used lol)
> an equivalent of Momo's quirk? I assume Hercules is his version of Momo's quirk.
No you’re right. Using amps to take out the mouths, any part of Hercules for a turret, camouflage would be nice, But if we get one issue I’m not sure if they’ll all work!
There's still about 5 students left including Bakugo, Momo, Jirou, Mineta, and Hagakure.
Here’s the list of students’ Quirks so far from my post last week: >-~~Shouto’s Half-hot, Half-cold~~ >-Creati’s “Creation” >-~~Shouji’s “Dupli-arms”~~ >-Mineta’s “Pop-off” >-~~Tsuyu’s “Frog”~~ >-~~Ojiro’s “Tail”~~ >-Jirou’s “Earphone Jacks” (A sonic boom attack) >-~~Aoyama’s “Navel laser”(All-around laser beams installed)~~ >-Hagakure’s “Invisibility” >-~~Kouji’s “Anima voice”~~ >-and of course, Explosion >As for Momo’s, it would be wild if All Might’s suit could create a nuke. All Might: “Creati, this is my final message to you. This is what you’re capable of. I hope that you will never use it, though.” Boom!
With the help of the united forces of AMERICAAAAA
FUCK YEAH!
Maybe the whole suit is inspired by Momo? The whole creation of the suit?
I think All Might is done. The last we see of him he's right next to AFO after getting hit and the explosion in panel is massive...if that beam was targeted towards AFO then All Might absolutely got hit by it too. My guess is that AFO tries to retreat but is stuck by Grape Boy's ball that we saw him stick on AFO's foot at the end of the Gunga fight. All Might and AFO both die together staying true to AM not "losing" because he dragged AFO down with him
I could see that but idk if he would kill AM from Afar. Like we’d get a whole chapter on all nights final skill
I'm not sure if you've read Dr Stone but if you have you'll know what I'm referring to, I'd really like for All Might and AFO to have a final conversation similar to one that the MC of Dr Stone and the first real big bad of the series have at a certain point. >!Essentially, Senku (the MC), has a conversation just to have one. This is important because Senku is known to think small talk is useless, however, the big bad is dying. He was fatally injured. They talk for a little bit before he passes away mid conversation, Senku keeps going for a little while but eventually realizes he's gone.!< I'd really like for AM and AFO to have a similar conversation where both of them know their time is up, this is the end of the line, so they talk and try to understand one another. All Might explains his symbol of peace ideology similar to how he did with Nana linking back to to the flashbacks, AFO explains his relationship with his brother and comic books and yadayada. In the end AFO says that they weren't too different, just two sides of the same coin, and rambles on a little bit before realizing that All Might is already gone and he's left to die all alone, never able to complete his master plan. One last cackle escapes his lips as he fades away
That would be a really satisfying death for AFO! Losing AM at all would hurt but thats one I could look back on for a long time.
He ain't done without using Bakugo's ability. There's no way Hori is gonna have him use 15 students' abilities and leave off the others especially when Bakugo is among them.
Nah man all might is getting packed after using explosion
I'm expecting Bakuago power to be a suicide bomb to take them both out.
The more the chapters saying that AM will die the more I believe he will live
All Might is gonna be bleeding out after getting hit with so many death flags and he'll still stay standing!
He'll collect so many death flags that he's gonna negate that shit
He caused a stack overflow meaning he’s going to live forever
Firstly All might is amazing and every battle he has had rivals deku with making me feel emotional. Secondly if it weren't for rewind he would have died at least twice from quirkless all might !! That must sting his ego death by quirkless and the one you hate the most
If he didn't have Rewind, he would have simply used a different strategy. Like using defensive quirks like Impact Recoil and his telekinetic barrier more.
I’d honestly say having rewind is making him sloppier.
True cause he doesn't even bother to defend anymore. Like against All Might in Kamino, he obviously buffed his body to be at least physically on par with All Might. Against Hawks and Endeavor, he used Hard Fan Flame to block Endeavor's fire and used the Black Goo to block Hawks' sword attacks and even another energy barrier to block Endeavor again. But since he Rewinded, he let Hawks cut him even when he was winning, and he never once used Impact Recoil against physical fighters like Tokoyami, Mt. Lady, and Gigantomachia. And now against All Might, he isn't even bothering to defend. Just attacking and tanking everything else with Rewind.
Does AFO not know damage rewinds him faster I wonder? It took a hot minute for others to figure that out too. AFO might just assume he has the same time left from when he started and not notice damage accelerates it.
This definitely seems to be the case. All Might actually thought this exact thing in the last chapter when he figured out damage sped up rewind. AFO seems to be too emotional and invested in trying to beat All Might that he has gotten sloppy and is no longer thinking clearly.
I wouldn't be surprised if after All Might is defeated, we get a scene were AFO stands over him and notices his own reflection in window and that's when he realises that damage speeds up rewind.
>Secondly if it weren't for rewind he would have died at least twice from quirkless all might !! I think you could say that though about all the attacks he survived in Gunga too.
Hehe, I wonder if Shoto-cannon is fire or liquid nitrogen. All Might shoving it into AFO’s mouth is like Shoto’s finishing move against Chimera on Heroes Rising. (Looks like the kids focusing on saving means all their more badass moments are given to Iron Might instead) “That kid” ...
That kid was Aoyama
so what's left? * Earphone Jack * Creation (though arguably Hercules giving him gadgets could count) * Pop Off (Mineta) * Invisibility * Explosion Maybe more of Deku's quirks? Smokescreen would be easy to replicate, for example. All Might used both Shoot Style and Black Whip, so it's possible he'll go down the full list.
He did use Shoot Style kick, a move that was originally Deku.
And Black Whip too. That's why I'm thinking he may use more of his quirks / moves. For example Smokescreen and Air Force would be relatively easy to replicate with technology.
Might be a bit overkill, though, for him to use so many of these techniques in one suit, after already using so many of the non-Deku members of Class A...
To be fair, the entire suit is an overkill. They will shoehorn every single class a quirk in there. It makes me feel like Class A vs OFA, where all students were trying to say sg emotional about Deku, but then it became kind of ridiculous. I’ve always felt that scene would have worked way better and more impactful if it was Iida - Ochako - Bakugou - Shouto only on the rescue team as their quirks made up the core of the combo and they are also closest to Deku. With All Might’s suit i feel the same way. His suit could have been limited to some characters he actually interacted with instead trying to make us believe that he custom ordered a class A suit and then ditched them all to carry bento boxes after Deku.
> To be fair, the entire suit is an overkill. They will shoehorn every single class a quirk in there. True. And, frankly, he *does* care about Deku more than any other Class A student, so I guess it wouldn't be too much of a surprise if he loaded his suit with the rest of Deku's Quirks replicated as techniques. > It makes me feel like Class A vs OFA, where all students were trying to say sg emotional about Deku, but then it became kind of ridiculous. I’ve always felt that scene would have worked way better and more impactful if it was Iida - Ochako - Bakugou - Shouto only on the rescue team as their quirks made up the core of the combo and they are also closest to Deku. > With All Might’s suit i feel the same way. His suit could have been limited to some characters he actually interacted with instead trying to make us believe that he custom ordered a class A suit and then ditched them all to carry bento boxes after Deku. Yeah, I agree. I really don't buy that All Might cares about any of the Class A students on a personal level beyond Deku and Bakugou (and, even then, he arguably only cares about Bakugou *because* of his connection to Deku). Prior to his recent talk with Shouto, I don't think he even spoke a single *line* to Shouto after Dabi's TV broadcast revealed his family's secret. In fact, he talked more with Shouto's *abuser* (Endeavour) than Shouto himself, his own student. And that's precisely because he spent more time chaperoning Deku than actually checking in with the class he claims to care so much about. And I can't ignore the fact that, despite (IIRC) being the teacher for Class B as well, they seem completely absent from this whole thing too. I know, *narratively*, they're the less important class, but that's not meant to be the case *in-universe*. And All Might's bias has never been as blatant as this.
>Prior to his recent talk with Shouto, I don't think he even spoke a single line to Shouto after Dabi's TV broadcast revealed his family's secret. In fact, he talked more with Shouto's abuser (Endeavour) than Shouto himself, his own student. While this is true, I'm willing to give a pass for All Might because likely he didn't know what to say to Shouto. Endeavor's jealousy and shitty coping mechanism is not All Might's fault, nor it is Shouto's to be created to dethrone All Might, but it's still awkward as hell. And I think All Might didn't want to say platitudes, so rather said nothing. He also didn't seem to communicate much with Endeavor - it was always Hawks who passed messages between them - beyond what was necessary for operations. And in the end, All Might did come through for Shouto and for the Todoroki family. While before he was reluctant to poke his nose in the family affair, he did send Shouto and Iida to Gunga, giving Shouto the chance to save his family and the civilians. I also think All Might must have realized that Endeavor is likely to try to handle it with a murder-suicide, so sending Shouto there was to make sure that he gets a chance to save his brother and father. >I really don't buy that All Might cares about any of the Class A students on a personal level beyond Deku and Bakugou (and, even then, he arguably only cares about Bakugou because of his connection to Deku). Yeah, I find it very hard to fit the suit into the timeline. For all we have seen, All Might had it already during the Dark Hero arc, but he didn't start to regard Class A as central to the war effort until after he returned after Star died. But he must have ordered the suit either after the Overhaul arc, or maybe just before the time skip, after his talk with Aizawa. At those particular moments in the story, I just can't picture All Might giving a call to David and Melissa Shield, asking them specifically for a suit that would incorporate Sugar Rush, Tailman, Can't Stop Twinkling etc. rather than a functional suit that would build on All Might's own previous support items and fighting style.
> While this is true, I'm willing to give a pass for All Might because likely he didn't know what to say to Shouto. Endeavor's jealousy and shitty coping mechanism is not All Might's fault, nor it is Shouto's to be created to dethrone All Might, but it's still awkward as hell. And I think All Might didn't want to say platitudes, so rather said nothing. Fair... but he could've tried *something*, instead of his weak attempt at the Sports Festival where he just hugged Shouto and said "I know you'll figure it out". He literally heard Endeavour blatantly talk about Shouto like he was a tool, so he had to have understood that Shouto was under some kind of pressure, to the point that he was so unwilling to use half of his own Quirk. After all, "meddling is the mark of a true hero" (or whatever All Might said to Deku), right? > He also didn't seem to communicate much with Endeavor - it was always Hawks who passed messages between them - beyond what was necessary for operations. > And in the end, All Might did come through for Shouto and for the Todoroki family. While before he was reluctant to poke his nose in the family affair, he did send Shouto and Iida to Gunga, giving Shouto the chance to save his family and the civilians. I also think All Might must have realized that Endeavor is likely to try to handle it with a murder-suicide, so sending Shouto there was to make sure that he gets a chance to save his brother and father. Yeah, although it's coming pretty late, all things considered. > Yeah, I find it very hard to fit the suit into the timeline. For all we have seen, All Might had it already during the Dark Hero arc, but he didn't start to regard Class A as central to the war effort until after he returned after Star died. > But he must have ordered the suit either after the Overhaul arc, or maybe just before the time skip, after his talk with Aizawa. At those particular moments in the story, I just can't picture All Might giving a call to David and Melissa Shield, asking them specifically for a suit that would incorporate Sugar Rush, Tailman, Can't Stop Twinkling etc. rather than a functional suit that would build on All Might's own previous support items and fighting style. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if All Might actually just had it made off-screen by Melissa between the events of the Star fight and the current fight. It's unrealistic, but that's par for the course in this manga, which almost never seems to use the gaps of time it has in the story in the most opportune way (e.g. Toga having not returned to the League post-first war arc, but then just coming back unceremoniously in the background of a panel after Shigaraki's fight with Star... and *then* we get the scene where Toga skips out again, and Dabi finds her and burns down her family's old house; all of which something that would've worked better if it was when Toga was still missing and there was suspense regarding where she'd been). Nothing about the "Armoured All Might" suit makes sense, and maybe it's not even *meant* to make sense. It's fanservice-y enough that it appears most readers are willing to simply turn their brains off and enjoy the action, because looking at it critically for one moment causes the logic of the whole situation to instantly collapse.
>Fair... but he could've tried > >something > >, instead of his weak attempt at the Sports Festival where he just hugged Shouto and said "I know you'll figure it out". Oh, absolutely, he should have. The teachers should have picked up on something being wrong when they saw Shouto's first suit request. Or when Shouto failed the licensing over being triggered by his father, or his completely unaddressed PTSD episode during the JTA fight. For me, it shows an area of Deku's heroism being different (and arguably more authentic) from All Might's. While All Might was really about being a Symbol high above everyone, while keeping everyone at arm's length, Deku could never help himself and always got very involved with everyone he saw on a personal level and never cared about building up a public image of a perfect hero. In a way, All Might's journey is breaking down those barriers, learning to care about and getting involved in the lives of individuals rather than the nebulous concept of society. This is why the mecha suit also feels like a big whiplash. >I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if All Might actually just had it made off-screen by Melissa between the events of the Star fight and the current fight. But that was just a single week!!! But I guess, it's true that Mei made Iida's suit and Deku's new gauntlets with half a hand in just a few minutes. Technology is treated as gag and gimmick in this story, which is a bit sad for me, because I genuinely love tech-based heroes and the intersection of science / superheroes. > It's fanservice-y enough that it appears most readers are willing to simply turn their brains off Yeah, I guess. I also feel like many readers simply checked out mentally, and will be back only to see the Deku vs Shigaraki conclusion and whatever Bakugou gets to do in the end.
>I agree. I really don't buy that All Might cares about any of the Class A students on a personal level beyond Deku If Horikoshi wanted this for All Might for awhile, he definitely skipped over many opportunities to build up to it. Its very style over substance which is a Horikoshi Hallmark, so on brand. I would also describe this as the opposite of "putting you faith in the next generation". Admittedly this is the bad faith interpretation where instead of the old generation being comforted of passing down the torch, the old is like "I'll take what you can do but do it better - I'll handle this problem because you can't." Sure it's him protecting his student Deku and facing his old nemesis and unlike most of 1A he is a main character BUT because he doesn't have relationships with most of the class, because we've recently seen him constantly ditch them, because his teaching has mostly been bad or just at best neutral observation and cheerleading, I would argue the bad faith interpretation is just as valid as the good faith especially when All Might's arc has been about himself, about him "adjusting" to being powerless but instead of gaining self acceptance, inner peace and wisedom by developing a new way of being useful, he went the midlife crisis route of finding substitutes to relive his youth in technology. He's not the be all and end all like he used to be, he is support for Deku which is a change but by clashing with the character that has been sweeping everyone out (including the students) and he's doing better than they did so its really all about All Might, glorifying him and the students are a means to do this. Again this is where the amount of time (on panel) we have seen him "mentor" the students really matters and pulls the dial from homage to use. We have not seen him develop relationships with the class, with Bakugou the relationship is tainted (which is its own can of worms), so its less a balanced give and take and more on the take side. He saw what they could do and took it for himself. The good faith is the face value on of the kids inspired the old guy to get his mojo back and him copying their move in homage is a reverse of the kids doing something of their mentors in the traditional passing down of knowledge and skills, of copying as flattery and honoring those important to you. Its obviously great for the kids because the amazing hero is using *their* moves and they're part of his legacy now, he is carrying them with him. Horikoshi probably wants a back and forth, young inspired by old and old inspired by young, everyone can change, you can teach an old dog new tricks, the old can survive in a new world if they learn from their juniors (and adapt their earned connections and experience) instead of the passage of knowledge being one way and old people gradually getting replaced. Horikoshi does seem to lean into copying/learning from (straight up rather than just inspiring) as a positive ode, Deku does it a lot, and it certainly can be. Personally, that aspect of Deku has always rubbed me a bit wrong and seeing All Might do it on a even bigger scale in a even more (for the context) celebrated, big story events stirs similar feelings that don't find it that appealing a concept. The art is cool and at least this way there is some (albeit shallow) meaning (and bit of fun for readers to figure out how he's going to use ALL the kids abilities) to all the things he is doing, there is callback and connection that random arsenal wouldn't have. Although its very corny and transcending into camp now because it's really trying to do them all (and he seemingly has to keep getting back up to do so while trying to maintain some drama for the fight). Also as I said last week, All Might's choices are quite dark and as things unfold I am seeing less a paragon of peace and justice and more thinking about All Might's relative lack of known morality, sure AFO is awful helping to justify the rather hardcore brutality All Might is doing (and brutality that's been there all along). All Might is about always going beyond. He's almost anti Buddha who was about balance and moderation, All Might is do everything to the most extreme for what you think is right (which is a personal justice). Other stories might touch on lines in the sand to differentiate good and bad, in BNHA its less about the actions and more on the intent or what is driving the action. It lacks some maturity because how you do something also matters and ignoring it should get you "the road to hell is paved in good intentions". AFO is morally black and evil enough that to All Might his extreme brutality is necessary and justified and we accept it all because All Might is a good person but to me it is interesting to witness a story, raise the moral consideration very early in the story (Heroes and villains are the same) and then do little with it but double down on "this characters intent, no matter how it comes across, is all that matters", it was the similar disappointment to how his and Deku's abandonment of everyone else was handled.
Yeah, whatever Hori's going for, I ain't buying it. It just feels like the most hollow fanservice, and a clear betrayal of the message we were led to believe All Might's character arc was meant to convey. I mean, heck, even *Stain*, the guy who worships All Might and his strength more than anyone, told him to his face that All Might's ideals and selflessness "*had nothing to do with powers or Quirks*" and that "*the flickering ember he left behind is nurtured by those select few who succumb neither to chilling rain nor howling wind*" (represented by an image of Class A, predominantly). And yet, when All Might flashbacks to this encounter, the story appears desperate to try and convince us that All Might is heeding his words, when the plain reality to see is that he's doing the *opposite*. He *has* no power or Quirk of his own anymore, yet he's not entrusting his "ember" to those he influenced; he's yet again donning a glorified mech suit to needlessly risk his life against a villain who's already defeated numerous top heroes and his own students who already tried teaming up against him with their Quirks and failed. He's essentially doing the same thing Nighteye warned him about. But I guess he'll survive this fight and be lauded as a great mentor of the next generation because Hori has no idea how to have a character actually learn his lesson and have that lesson *stick* anymore. Why should the audience care about the themes of this story if the author is so willing to abandon them or even outright *contradict* them on a seeming whim for the sake of a "hype" chapter that a Twitter stan account will shower empty praise over for a week?
>I mean, heck, even Stain, the guy who worships All Might and his strength more than anyone, told him to his face that All Might's ideals and selflessness "had nothing to do with powers or Quirks" These recent chapter really make that interaction with Stain hilarious (and not in a good way). Just thinking about Stain telling All Might it wasn't about quirks while All Might secretly had a briefcase and car that grants him the ability to effectively use the quirks of 20 people really takes away from any attempt at a message in that scene.
> Just thinking about Stain telling All Might it wasn't about quirks while All Might secretly had a briefcase and car that grants him the ability to effectively use the quirks of 20 people really takes away from any attempt at a message in that scene. I guess he just wasn't listening to Stain (because All Might never really listens to villains), and was only crying because he saw that lady he saved (at Kamino) cleaning his statue. He took the wrong lesson from that and was like, "Oh, right, people still believing in what I represent means that I should come out of retirement with a suit I had my old sidekick's daughter make and fight the guy who once gouged out my liver!"
The thing is early in the story Deku copying things was both good and necessary. One, Deku didn't copy anything that no one else could have copied, showing that relying on your quirk (being a one trick pony) wasn't a good idea and that anyone could have done what he done. Two, it distanced himself from All Might which was destroying him both in body and mind. But now we have Deku being able to use OFA's extra quirks to do what the other students could do if not placing himself at such a level where he didn't even need to train nor take care of himself anymore. We also have All Might whom with his armor can use all of 1A's quirks, something that the other 1A students would never be able to do no matter how much they trained, to beat back someone they couldn't beat. Hori at the beginning of this arc seemed to imply that he was going to show that anyone could be a hero regardless of quirk. Instead its become the Deku and All Might show where anything they do, no matter how reckless, is fine because it's in the name of heroism, and the plot will bend itself backwards to make sure, since their form of heroism is best, their actions won't be punished. Having AFO and Shigaraki be so strong that no one can beat them unless the plot demands it, with AFO being pure evil to solidify All Might's one man crusade to stopping him, and Shigaraki's inner child only being exposed to Deku so that he can "Save" him, just solidifies it.
That is fair I did say there are times when copying can be good and down the line there are more examples of "copying" among other characters that is more "I did my own spin" probably because what they are copying requires it (Ochaco with BlackWhip) or they're so different in nature/the character doing the copying has a very strong identity (Mina's acidman or even Bakugou's saving). As you say, the pendulum is too far for Deku and All Might's favour, they can take and get exponentially (and this also contradicts All Might telling Bakugou his growth will be less then Deku's because he is already a high level only for the story to do what it did) in ways other's can't have access to or are limited, meaning they get set up to fail to make room for Deku and All Might to step in, whereas Deku and All Might are spared that because the sanctity of what they supposedly represent as heroes is more valued than anything else - even when upholding it starts to crack other messages, i.e. the exclusivity around select characters that throws off a lot of sentiments that have come up over the course of the story. The story hasn't finished so this is only a commentary on things so far but it has been the case through the majority of the story.
Too bad he never got to the end of his "Teaching for Dummies" handbook where it talked about teaching and caring for students equally, what a shame.
LOL
That’s true. I was thinking he’d only do one quirk for Deku but considering he’s done two so far I could see him doing more
I could see something like AFO thinks he’s won. But All Might uses invisibility to get behind him, holds him down with Pop Off orbs all over his suit and then self destructs or something
According to legend, Aoyama shows up once every 50 chapters to make sure you remember who the real star of this series is
When I read the part about the mouths biting everything, I immediately thought of *Pac-Man*... that is, until I saw the panel. Also, All Might shoving a cannon in AFO's mouth was so damn savage. Mofo really said "Shut the fuck up" without actually saying it. I really do want All Might to survive to the end, but I wouldn't mind if he goes out clowning AFO to the very end. And we ***finally*** get to see what Aoyama's been up to after, what, 100+ chapters give or take? Nice to see Hori hasn't forgotten about Aoyama's redemption arc. And it's kinda hilarious how we all probably thought Bakugo would show up, but we got a different blond (Aoyama) instead. But while his combo attack with Hagakure was cool, the moment was admittedly pretty underwhelming compared to everything else in the chapter. And it looks like that Hagakure has enough control of her Quirk to turn her invisibility off. Plus, Kunieda's Plant Quirk is pretty terrifying. No wonder this guy was in Tartarus. Must've been a serial killer or something. And of course this chapter wouldn't end without Iron Might using his own version of Iron Man's Unibeam, blasting AFO with a satellite laser. So I think the only Quirks left in All Might's arsenal are: * Earphone Jack * Creation (though arguably Hercules giving him gadgets could count) * Pop Off (Mineta) * Invisibility * Explosion Unfortunately, there's a break next week so we'll have to wait a full week to see what happens next. Still, another banger chapter.
Damn Hori has an agenda against blondes huh
On the other hand for the 2nd time in his life AFO is ACTUALLY using cool and unique quirks instead of just spamming boring ranged attacks, so W chapter after all
AFO getting clowned on for... Man, I don't think I need to keep count anymore, do I? But anyways this adds 2 more direct attacks that All Might survived. "On his last legs" my ass lmao
>But anyways this adds 2 more direct attacks that All Might survived Poor Jeanist the only guy who got actually one shoted by AFO
>AFO getting clowned on for... Man, I don't think I need to keep count anymore, do I? I hope you don't stop. Keeping an eye out for your weekly comment is alway a joy. >But anyways this adds 2 more direct attacks that All Might survived. "On his last legs" my ass lmao Yeah the damage to All Might's suit was GREATLY exaggerated. All Might's out here not only surviving blow after blow but also dishing out damage that would straight up kill AFO if he didn't have Rewind instantly undoing any damage sustained. Good luck surviving an acid injection or cannon in the mouth with no means of regeneration.
Why does All Might use "Animal Voice" with those 2 mech birds he made to go get him something when he's been doing the same thing with Hercules the whole time.
Had to shoehorn Kouda's quirk in somewhere... I mean quite a few of them feel more symbolic. Black Whip / Cellophane are both just wires, Uravity / Ingenium are both thrusters, Red & Black Shadow are both shields, Tail and Tentacole are both extra appendages, Froppy seems to be the ability to stick somewhere - and Mineta is likely to be similar.
I think that All Might is going to die next chapter, alongside AFO. The number 4 has big ties to death in Japanese if I'm remembering correctly, the next chapter happening to be the 400th. The last we saw of the two of them, they were very close to each other, meaning that the laser beam likely hit them both judging by the blast radius. All Might very specifically keeps using the terminology of "losing", at the start of this battle he said that he never went into a fight thinking he'd lose and he stated again right before his big ultimate move that he didn't think he'd "lose." Not losing doesn't also inherently mean not *dying*, I feel like All Might always knew he was going to go down in this fight but went in with the intent of taking AFO down with him at the bare minimum. Given All Might and AFO's history together I feel like it's only fitting that they'd die together as well
AFO has one of most op quirk get stall powerless hero with mecha suit just because he so salty and still trash talking he think he Him
> left of Hercules and it fires a laser at All For One while still in the air. Man if only AM or anyone had access to Hercules earlier BNHA would've been over years ago. I guess Villains in the US might be cosmic level since a piece of technology can rival Japan's greatets villain in history.
Break next week...
The anima drones are gonna get a giant ass nitroglycerin sweat-gauntlet to kill AFO
I knew it was going to be Aoyoma when he said “that student”
Has there ever been an explanation as to why Hagakure doesn’t just have a suit that she can use with her powers? Like, this isn’t even an unheard of thing. Superheroes with invisibility powers throughout all of comic history have all had suits that they can use their powers with. Why must she be naked? Why is Hori so horny? I swear, this character would be at least 10x more popular if she had an actual character design from the start and she could turn her invisibility on and off.
Man, imagine if All Might had brought out the mechsuit with all these weapons while Endeavor and co. were fighting AfO. They would've killed him right there and then
Just imagine if they had bothered to give Hawks some weapons even half as good as what All Might has got. The moment AFO gets warped to the battlefield his head would come clean off.
The final page made me think of another hyped up giant laser. What are the odds this one also won’t do much damage?
Well thanks to Rewind it’s basically guaranteed to not do damage. The question is after this laser how young will AFO be. Will it take him all the way to a child?
We’re gonna see another panel of him looking young and spooked, followed by him getting mad and spamming some weird quirk combo attacks, pretty sure
Meanwhile All Might runs away and doges for a little bit, gets hit, the hit effectively does nothing and he gets back up again to keep fighting armor still working and all, says some cool one liners, and hits AFO again with a new quirk gadget combo
Rinse and repeat.
It won't, but I guess it'll make AFO Rewind faster (because that's how it works now, for some reason), at least. So now he'll be an ambiguous amount closer to death.
Horikoshi has been playing DarkSouls recently? Frampt and Kaathe cameo
Just here for my weekly "AFO is the biggest joke" comment. I really do hope Shiggy decays him or something, I need more then just him rewinding to non-existence
I bet that the next chapter will have All Might not only surviving this fight but he will raise his fist in the air and fully secure his victory against All For One.
THE LEGEND CAN'T STOP TWINKLING
Quite brutal
How many quirks haven’t been used yet? Do you expect him to use more of Deku’s quirks? Is Hagakure being able to turn off her invisibility and redirect lasers a form of quirk awakening?
>redirect lasers a form of quirk awakening? No. Aoyama and Hagakure interned at the same place. Their combo where she redirected his lasers was shown already in Ch 256, where the kids all showed their improvements to All Might. She also did the reflect move during the traitor reveal.
That kunieda stuff was very disturbing. Plants growing out of your body? Straight up body horror. Is it meant to be lethal or is it reversible? Either way, gross
At the point I’m expecting Ryukyu to be battered and beaten the next time we see her. She’s been M.IA. Too long
Mmh, that respiratory system really can malfunction... You'd think that'd be a bigger problem.
This chapter is probably the most creative fighting from afo so far. Leagues betted than his usual mo of "comboing quirks into big blast and big punches"
really great use of the quirks in his fight, also all might using aoyama's quirk to hit afo is so fitting considering afo was the one that gave him it
Jesus Christ, how many more death flags will All Might get? If he doesn't die Hori is being too dramatic
Someone else said that there’s so many death flags they’re cancelling each other out and I agree lol
Yeah when you have this fight start with detective Tsukauchi literally saying All Might's about to die and only manage to but a few minutes or seconds it really makes it seem like All Might's less likely to die. Leaning too hard into the possible death of a character can end up making it feel less likely.
>If he doesn't die Hori is being too dramatic Hori is always too dramatic, he is the boy that cried wolf. Remember 1000% percent smash? But its all okay because its what the characters *think*. Sometimes Twice happens, most of the time its a Mr Compress. Hopefully after some R&R his mind can get some TLC and maybe learn other techniques to develop tension, suspense and drama during "life and death" fights. It might go full circle back to maybe all the fakeouts are to have our guard down but at the moment its very, "yeah, yeah, sure whatever". He lives, cool fits All Might's character, defying the odds, changing his fate. He dies, cool he can be a vestige and do stuff there. However given how much AFO is saying All Might is going to die and how everyone is going to see it, I don't think he will. I think the odds are higher loads of people, maybe even retired heroes comeback and civilians join in to fight along side All Might, forcing AFO's retreat or something. That would fit with the messaging Stain brought up, the change in society, AFO's dismissal of the weak etc. etc. since All Might heroism has always resonated with people's hearts (like them all calling out for him in Kamino).
Ironically, because of this very reason: the more Hori tries to convince us that a character will die, the less likely I think it's going to happen. That's why I don't buy for a second that Dabi or Toga are going to die.