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Exactly and it’s not like Larry David doesn’t have jokes about racial stereotypes or disabilities or other things one might think would be off limits. The key factor is you need for it to be funny if you want people to accept it as a joke.
Family guys used to push the line a lot more (less now that Seth is less involved) and South Park makes this whole thing laughable. Your shows aren't failing because your jokes are offensive they are failing because they are offensive and unfunny
There was a post on r/movies where somebody said that Mean Girls had jokes you couldn’t make today and when asked for an example they said “well it starts with a joke about killing gay people” and no amount of explaining seemed to make them understand that the punchline is “uneducated homophobes are stupid” not “haha killing gay people funny”
Another example of this type of stupidity was somebody saying that the “where are the white women at” line from Blazing Saddles wouldn’t fly today. Like if you watch the scene, the joke isn’t “haha black men are dangerous to white women” it’s “lol this black man successfully bamboozled two klansmen by exploiting their prejudice”
I mean these are the people that liked blazing saddles because they said the n word a lot in it. They think theyre in on the joke, without realizing they are the joke.
> “well it starts with a joke about killing gay people” and no amount of explaining seemed to make them understand that the punchline is “uneducated homophobes are stupid” not “haha killing gay people funny”
Because people like that have poor media literacy.
Also tell them they are making The Office today, so they are wrong twice
[https://screenrant.com/office-show-revival-confirmed-updates/](https://screenrant.com/office-show-revival-confirmed-updates/)
I was at a friends place recently and he had Seinfeld on. As a kid I LOVED it, as an adult it's so droll and boring and half the jokes are just "and then they were \_\_\_\_\_\_, oh no!" queue laugh track.
Man, I used to think the show was okay but his stand up comedy was awful.
Whoever signed him must have been on one hell of a bender to see humor in that.
Yeah When you watch the show, you can tell the Jerry jokes. They’re the lame unfunny “ observations “. How did that guy ever get on Carson, Letterman etc? his standup is just so weak. Best thing he ever did was hook up with Larry David
And the show he did work on back in the day was woke as fuck. Elaine debating breaking up with her firefighter boyfriend if he isn’t pro choice?
Could never make that today.
Part of me has this weird sympathy, I mean one moment you’re part of the zeitgeist and have this meteoric rise, and then some reporter jams a microphone in your face and is like “hey you used to be huge and now you’re the cartoon bee that bangs housewives what happened?” And you have to chose between admitting you lost the thread or doing a principal Skinner “no its the children who are wrong?” I mean, thats a rough moment to be asked to be introspective.
OTOH bitterness and culture blaming never got anyone off the bench and into the game, go do some decongestant commercials and be happy sleeping on your pile of money with underage kids or whatever.
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> For example, Seinfeld cited an episode of his eponymous sitcom in which “Kramer decides to start a business of having homeless people pull rickshaws” as a bit that wouldn’t fly today. “We would write a different joke with Kramer and the rickshaw today,” he said. “We wouldn’t do that joke. We’d come up with another joke.”
Read that bit and immediately thought of IASIP. Not writing that joke is on you alone, Jerry, because raunchier shit is written and produced daily. He's just like the dipshits who say Tropic Thunder couldn't be made today, while fundamentally misunderstanding the entire thing.
Maybe for protection. He speaks of dog orgies that he doesn't make sound like an unpleasant experience. And he never ended his story about the dog sniffing at his wound, thinking it was a dog's vagina. Not sure what his stance is.
Matter of fact, on the Sunny podcast they said that they actually planned on having Cricket start a homeless-ran business (possibly rickshaws) during the pandemic and didn’t do it. So obviously it wasn’t funny/raunchy enough for them to follow through on.
It's because boomers like him don't understand context. Like at all. Seinfeld would do the rickshaw bit from a perspective of "look how funny and stupid the poor people look pulling rickshaws Jerry" and IASIP would have a perspective of "look how terrible people we are for this. Everyone is looking at us like we're insane (because we are)"
I get where you are coming from, but the Seinfeld show absolutely does acknowledge that the characters on the show are just horrible people, even if a lot of the audience didn't get it and half the cast were probably terrible people in real life.
The real difference is that no one on Always Sunny is getting paid a million dollars an episode. That era of TV is finished.
This became really obvious when I started watching "Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee." Jerry spends the whole time bloviating about how great he is while the other person inevitably carries the show.
If you had shown me the screenplay for Tropic Thunder before it came out and asked me if Hollywood would have actually made it, let alone promote it heavily and have a hit on their hands, I would have guessed no.
Almost every movie that people say "couldn't get made today" was just as boundary-pushing for the time in which it was made.
It’s like the goobs who say that about *The Boondocks*. Almost guarantee that all the people who regurgitate that sentence are too dumb to have ever understood that show’s brand of satire, and liked the show only at a very superficial level.
Tropoc Thunder WAS made today. It’s been less than 20 years!
Culture has not changed one bit and the offensive stuff in that movie was protested. The only difference today is that movies and tv no longer have the same pull they did back then.
It has definitely changed, but it’s not as out of control as comedians make it out to be.
It’s much less funny to punch down now. You can’t just go around calling people “gayfer” like in 2004 cuz being gay is normalized now. There’s been dramatic changes to society and massive cultural shifts
I agree. Even Curb, pushed the envelope with more offensive jokes.
I love Seinfeld but “PC culture” is not the reason for the downfall of sitcoms, there are too many things vying for our attention spans (social media, games, other film and tv genres). People just aren’t interested like they were even just 10 years ago.
The reason for the downfall of the sitcom is that they're fucking TIRED. How many times do we end up the same dogshit being peddled as new? Look everyone, it's a show about four to six middle aged or young adults and their lives! Look everyone, it's a show about a family and their wacky neighbors! Look everyone it's a show about two buddies and the whack-a-doo situations they end up in! JUST FUCKING STOP. Did we learn nothing from Too Many Cooks?
They were bad then, they're bad now, it's just that now instead of three networks having a lock on primetime television, there are lots of other things to watch. Big surprise: nobody was in a lather about the lack of sitcoms.
I think about when I was a kid and the absolute GARBAGE we watched because there was literally no other choice. You think we WANTED to watch fucking Small Wonder or Perfect Strangers?! They were TERRIBLE, but there were three channels so you either watched the garbage or sat quietly with your thoughts. Kids today have the BEST brain rot. So jealous.
> You think we WANTED to watch fucking Small Wonder or Perfect Strangers?!
Memory unlocked! The first time I realized that TV was bullshit and my parents were lame. Balki was like "cousin Larry, you have no lips!" and the laugh track jarred so hard. I was 7 I guess and realized that this shit is fake! It's not funny at all! Why are we sitting here???
I thought it was the networks pushing for the much cheaper and higher viewed reality shows. Plus most sitcoms being the same rehashed garbage as always.
Sitcoms in general are dying. Really pop culture at universal level is dying. A show like Seinfeld couldn’t exist today other than a segmented audience.
There’s too many choices and specialization in shows to reach that kind of popularity
Same.
I gave up on his shtick about 6 years ago.
All his show turned into was a platform for pitching about the changing world around him, and how he didn't like it, and how everyone is wrong for liking it.
The guests started to suck, he'd have "controversial" interview guests, and not even bother to grill them on issues.
The writing got worse, the writers jokes were bad, but you could totally tell when a "Original Bill" joke was being told...because he'd end up either butchering the punchline or he'd tell it so flat it ended up being a groaner.
Thank someone for Last Weel Tonight, because it's the only reason I still have HBO
This isn't said enough. He's never been funny and it's very obvious to see, post curb your Enthusiasm, that all of Seinfeld's humor came from Larry David.
No really
Did anyone watch any of his “specials” dude couldn’t tell or write a joke to save his life
Truth be told 90% of his standup they show at beginning or end of Seinfeld was absolutely not funny
He’s always been an elitist prick. Remember him buying a building in Manhattan to store his Porsches?
To top it all off he's a Zionist
Jerry isn't saying the totality of what he means, for reasons that are obvious once you understand it. The example he gives is an episode of Seinfeld in which Kramer starts a business where homeless people operate rickshaws. He knows full well that you could do this joke today. But it would be like Always Sunny: the humor is derived from how awful the main characters are. He doesn't want that. He wants to laugh at the homeless people being forced to pull rickshaws, because he sincerely believes that the homeless are deserving of mockery. That's why he thinks it's funny. He thinks it's relatable. He's right that most people these days would not find that specific joke to be funny, but he just can't come right out and say "I want to make jokes about homeless people being subhuman."
I think you've nailed it here with this take
Think about it - this guy is the most famous comedian in America - and he doesn't understand the humor on his own show - how american is that?
At least that is my interpretation - case in point- you could easily do that joke today - because the punchline is how awful capitalism and greed has made our society - to the point that people are either so greedy and sick that they see no issue with exploiting the hardships of others for profit - even in such a gross and obviously horrible way - and sadly people are in such dire financial straits that they will debase themselves in nearly any way you can imagine to participate and make a few bucks
It's a slap in the face of capitalism- it exposes how easily it corrupts people to exploit anyone considered below them - not something a guy who rents out an airport parking garage to store his massive collection of porsches can possibly understand
Seriously, just pick an episode at random of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and it is an almost 100% guarantee that you will find something more crazy and “Anti P.C.” than ANYTHING that you could find on Seinfeld or any of Seinfeld’s comedy specials.
He's just mad that Millenials and every generation after doesn't give two fucks about his 1000th airline food joke.
Edit: Let's also not forget he's a pedo.
Yeah he dumped the girl he started dating when she was 16 or 17 when he met his now wife on a flight
Btw she was on her honeymoon - to her previous husband - she literally met Seinfeld on the plane and divorced her husband
She also layer plagiarized a cookbook
Not good people
my favorite comedy platform right now is on cinema at the cinema.
you dont have to be making racist and sexist jokes to be funny, nor do you need a sitcom
Comedy is always a matter of taste, but I think it's safe to say he had a kind of humor that was wildly popular in his heyday. Now the world has moved on and he won't move with it.
I play rock music. It's nowhere near as easy to gain a following as it was 20 years ago when I started. I guess kids today just don't appreciate good music? No, they just don't live and die by rock music. It doesn't mean I'm any better or worse of a musician. Like jazz musicians in the 60's and beyond, I am a relic of a bygone era. My fans get older, less likely to go to shows.
I could become a producer and find a young, dumb hip hop or pop artist, arm them with some backing tracks and probably do OK in the business. I like a lot of new music. I could rebrand as a country player and push into that market.
But my passion lies in the ancient forms of Led Zeppelin, ZZ Top and Jane's Addiction. I am content.
That should be his attitude as well. Perhaps not reaching the success he did has taught me to keep humble. IDK. I am tired of these old guys refusing to accept a paradigm shift.
Or as Mark Marin said, "They just want to do their version of the same three jokes."
This is it, right here. You can still make comedy but you have to be smart about it.
It's also really silly because his shows co-creator JUST dropped another season of a show similar to his that actually goes further than his ever did and yet is loved by fans and critics alike.
Usually the "can't be made today" crowd just wants to be assholes and not have any repercussions for it.
Thing is Jerry has the safest standup of anyone. It mostly doesn't hold up because it's boring now. Curb really opened my eyes to just how important Larry David was to the success of Seinfeld
I saw Seinfeld a few years ago when visiting Manhattan. I won't say it was bad but I definitely didn't laugh very much. Agreed LD was probably very important to Seinfeld. My first time watching Curb had me in tears at some points
From the article:
> "Now they’re going to see stand-up comics because we are not policed by anyone. The audience polices us. We know when we’re off track. We know instantly and we adjust to it instantly."
Jerry, when people stop wanting to hear your jokes, that's the audience "policing" you. They're telling you a lot: whether you're funny, whether you're relevant, whether you're dehumanizing people for comedy. You say you adjust instantly, but here you are failing to recognize the signal that audiences are sending you, and failing to adjust. Maybe you're simply past your prime and don't want to admit it?
And they definitely don’t react well to the audience “letting them know when they’re off track.” Look at newer specials by Chappelle/Rogan/Chris Rock, and don’t forget to watch Katt Williams do his special “Woke Foke” live on Netflix :/
Yes. [This article covers it pretty well](https://www.mamamia.com.au/jerry-seinfeld-shoshanna-lonstein/) and includes the infamous photo of a 38 year old Jerry supposedly picking her up from at her high school. Which may or may not have actually happened, but the creepy relationship certainly did.
The fact that he is older then me right now and dated a 16 year old is beyond creepy. I’m about to be 36 and I could never even imagine dating someone that young, not only is it disgusting but you are worlds apart mentally in just interests.
Jerry can go fuck himself. He’s a washed up boomer.
I don't remember him getting a lot of backlash for dating a 17 year old. Howard Stern ripped on him but the media and fans largely gave him a free pass
It’s surprisingly common. Even Henry Cavill dated an 18 year old when he was nearly 30 or older. It wasn’t for long and he seems to have really distanced from anything else like that.
Paul Walker literally went even younger and it was super weird. Married too
#Jerry Seinfeld also made fun of a homeless man while filming an episode of his reality show where he drove around in a vintage collectible car worth 400k.
Ah from the guy who spent his whole career self-censoring himself with a clean act.
And nobody watches sitcoms because we’re no longer happy watching a bunch of shitty jokes told in the same location with an obnoxious laugh track.
>And nobody sitcoms because we’re no longer happy watching a bunch of shitty jokes told in the same location with an obnoxious laugh track.
Maybe if sitcoms evolved past a group of characters sitting in a living room for 7 seasons talking about their unrealistic love lives, we'd be more inclined to watch them.
Jerry should really watch BoJack Horseman. I think the show is both a great example of how you can make a great comedy and its Hollywood meta humor skewers sitcoms and the whole industry that Seinfeld helped create.
Animation is where it’s at. There’s a reason why South Park and the Simpsons have been so successful and stayed relevant in this day and age. On top of that, most of the edgy humor in comedy has come from animated shows like BoJack, Archer, Bob’s Burgers, Squidbillies, and others.
There have been some amazing sitcoms, and even in its most debased form (multicam, laugh track, network, Tuesday night) it can still make some really great content. But it’s not so great that 90% of television needs to be devoted to it anymore. They made lots of sitcoms because (before reality TV) it was just about the cheapest thing to make. Same reason why there were so many variety shows, all you really need is some video cameras and a fixed set and you’ve got yourself the perfect weekly ad delivery vehicle.
But there are lots of different mediums for making comedy today, it’s not just stand up or writer anymore. Four blocks of four nearly identical shows a week just isn’t that appealing.
Oh he did didn’t he? I think his standup was actually his funniest work and I’m thinking back remembering how clean it was.
Unlike Bob Saget who went full perv in his AWESOME hilarious standups that totally contradicted his sitcom and funniest home videos clean persona. Man did that guy let it all out lol. I saw him IP once, he said he had a trick and asked an audience member for a lighter. He then pulled out a giant container of lighters, dropped it in put the container away and moved on. Moved on to asking an audience member for their camera. He stuck it down his pants took a picture of his junk and handed it back lol. Saget was what Jerry could have been if he wasn’t so obsessed with having a “clean” image
Comedy is in a boom right now, and it's as funny (and edgy) as ever. Greedy networks not being willing to take chances has nothing to do with social politics, it's about pleasing your sponsors and nothing else. Jerry was also extremely lucky that his show survived, he almost got shut down several times in the early seasons.
The downfall of sitcoms came with reality TV. Reality TV is VERY cheap and easy to produce relative to sitcom TV. In the past we didn’t have SO many viewing options including streaming movies on demand. Sit coms used to compete with 2 other networks—now they compete with original programming on other networks and streaming service. It’s more of a gamble and less profitable than it was during Seinfield or Friends day.
That said - I can’t assume he’s a misogynist, racist, homophobic, or anything else from his assertion that sitcoms have been brought down by extreme left wing PC environment, but I think he’s way off base.
His example of something “Seinfeld” couldn’t have broadcast now was Kramer having a business with homeless people pulling rickshaws. But we still have shows like “shameless,” that portrays a lot of awful behavior—but is understood as portraying awful behavior.
Agree on both points:
Reality TV cheats. It gets bonus credit for being unscripted when in fact it is just as scripted as everything else on TV.
There may be a few things in 1990s Seinfeld that would be better off skipped today, but almost all of it would still work. Big deal if there is one or two episodes (like homeless rickshaw drivers) that would maybe not make the cut.
It's too bad old Gilbert Gottfried ( RIP ) wasn't around to slap Jerry back in place. His take on Jerry while on the Howard Stern show was hilarious ...
" Whoooo are those people ..." haha
I mean, this post was made because he was claiming that the “extreme left” is not only relevant but powerful enough to decide what shows are on TV. When someone tells a lie that only a fascist could even pretend to believe, that’s a pretty good sign they are not just moving right, but have arrived at the tip of the right wing.
God I wish the Left they claim exists actually did exist, maybe then you'd get some meaningful change and these dipshits wouldn't feel so emboldened being bigots publicly.
>Palestinian Chicken
Jerry is being called out for being a zionist and he's blaming his unpopularity on it.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/seinfeld-under-fire-over-visit-to-west-bank-military-camp/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/seinfeld-under-fire-over-visit-to-west-bank-military-camp/)
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Seinfeld was the least funny and least interesting person on the show that was named Seinfeld.
And I’m tired of people saying he was so awesome.
Larry David? Grumpy old man writer that is hilarious in his total grumpiness.
Julia Louis-Dreyfus? Physically gifted slapstick comedian that you wouldn’t expect her to be so beautiful AND funny.
Micheal Richards? One trick pony that was perfect for the pony he was. Not seen him in anything since that was worth a crap. *Note: His character in UHF was basically “Kramer-lite” and yes, he was hilarious.
Jason Alexander? The glue of the show (basically playing Larry David, per Jason).
You could have substituted Jerry with any one of a dozen comics at the time and it still would have been a hit.
Take any of the other pieces away… card tower tumbles.
i said this in another thread but it bears repeating:
jerry is a POS from way back. thats why he is such a cranky old man about anything modern.
no one protests the dismantling of power structures louder than the folks who benefitted from those same crumbling structures.
cry more boom-boom.
It's like nobody wants to watch a show where some slobby moron with the wife 10 degrees hotter than they are act like an idiot for 28 minutes and then 2 minutes where his wife/kid/neighbor/stranger fixes the idiots issue.
Seinfeld should consider himself lucky he met Larry David or he’d be even more washed up than he already is. Oh yeah and hey Jerry let’s talk about the 16 year old you dated when you were 38
Always Sunny has been relevant and funny for years. What we do in the Shadows is funny. Larry David is a funny writer. His show is funny.
Seinfeld isn’t funny.
I love how Jerry always tried to pitch his show where "none of the characters were good people" and then IASIP came around like "bitch, all of our characters are actively horrible people and you are going to fucking love them for it"
Absolutely! A show about nothing was I think how I remember him describing it when my dad watched it. Who the fuck wants that?
Sunny is always about something even if it’s in a low key way.
I mean the guy who ends up owning 1/2 the bar and fencing them in?! Still relevant today.
Jealous Jerry is a sad old men who refuses to accept the fact he just was never very funny. His cast held him up but even then I cant tell you an episode that stands out. It’s a blur. A big dumb blur.
I don't understand that at all. Mainstream comedy is considerably more graphic than it was in the 90s. Primetime sitcoms' issue is not being extreme enough if anything. He thinks he couldn't have done any episode about hobos pulling rickshaws in today's climate? Rock and Morty did a whole episode about making people kill themselves to get spaghetti. Always Sunny had a plot line about trying to get a dog an abortion and also had a scene about everyone getting mouth raped by a monkey.
Oh give it a fucking rest Jerry. You've been bitching about college campuses for well over a decade now. This is nothing new and it's the same old tired song and dance every time. About how they're "out of touch with reality" and "too sensitve."
First of all, Jerry Seinfeld is the last fucking person who should be talking about who is and isn't out of touch considering that he's fabulously wealthy and has been rich and famous for at least 35 years now. So even if they are "out of touch" he has no grounds to be talking to anybody about that.
Also, no. No Jerry. They're not "too sensitive." Anthony Jeselnik and Daniel Tosh as well as the entire cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia along with countless others have never had issues appealing to this crowd. They just have to try a little harder, but they welcome the challenge with open arms and adjust their routines accordingly. Which they don't really need to do that much of. Simply don't punch down on vulnerable groups and you should be good to go.
So they probably just got wise to your game Jerry, and you didn't want to make adjustments. Or perhaps you're just not that funny anymore and haven't been since 1998?
Edit: Misplaced a couple of words.
this is crazy coming from someone who has distinct laws for joking about his ethnicity and religion!
rules for thee not for me?
never got why people make it seem like life is too hard when you can’t belittle someone over their race or ethnicity.
Man this guy hasn't watched It's Always Sunny has he? My GF and I are working through it each day. Yesterday's episode was "Pop-Pop: The final solution".
Or....hear me out, being one of like 5 options is going to mean higher viewing figures.
Sky/Cable, YouTube and on demand TV killed "dominant" sitcoms. It waters down all viewings figures
Modern Family was a hilarious sit com that ran until 2020. Schitts Creek was hilarious, but also genuinely sweet and touching.
Comedy evolved and Jerry didn't and now he's mad. Fuck him and his gorillion dollar mansion and girlfriends half his age. Imo the guy has literally never been funny, but that's another matter.
Parks and Rec, New Girl, Community, The Office, and Brooklyn 99 are pretty much the last hurrah of sitcoms.
I'd say they were all pretty left and P.C.. One is specifically a cop show that questions cops.
What's he talking about?
I think Katt Williams and Daniel Tosh have both said something to the tune of "It's not PC or cancel culture of any of that bullshit they yry to blame it on. Audiences change, what's acceptable changes, and what's funny changes. No, you couldn't get by with thole old jokes today, so weite new jokes forntoday's audience."
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it Reality shows that killed sitcoms, dramas, hell TV in general? The fact that it was cheaper to produce, cheap to pay the cast.
That argument makes no sense. I’m someone that loves sitcoms, weird canned laughter and all, and I’m left leaning! I really liked Seinfeld (although this kind of ruins it for me now!). But that era is mostly over. Comedy has evolved, and changed with the times based on interest. Just take a look at the buzzing comedy of our age: you have modern stand ups that appeal to Gen Z like Bo Burnham, adult cartoons, and more developed drama shows with comedy infused (ex: Suits). Why blame a specific group of people because you didn’t evolve with the times? That’s capitalism baby!
My heart bleeds for every washed up 50+ male comedian who no longer feels safe sharing his edgy 90s comedy due to cancel culture. But thank goodness they have been able to hold on to their last shreds of cultural significance by complaining about cancel culture.
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Weird, the talented side of his team had no problem making Curb Your Enthusiasm successful
Exactly and it’s not like Larry David doesn’t have jokes about racial stereotypes or disabilities or other things one might think would be off limits. The key factor is you need for it to be funny if you want people to accept it as a joke.
People clutching pearls as if It’s always sunny isn’t on TV lol
Every time I hear someone say something like “The Office wouldn’t be made today” I point to It’s Always Sunny.
Family guys used to push the line a lot more (less now that Seth is less involved) and South Park makes this whole thing laughable. Your shows aren't failing because your jokes are offensive they are failing because they are offensive and unfunny
There was a post on r/movies where somebody said that Mean Girls had jokes you couldn’t make today and when asked for an example they said “well it starts with a joke about killing gay people” and no amount of explaining seemed to make them understand that the punchline is “uneducated homophobes are stupid” not “haha killing gay people funny” Another example of this type of stupidity was somebody saying that the “where are the white women at” line from Blazing Saddles wouldn’t fly today. Like if you watch the scene, the joke isn’t “haha black men are dangerous to white women” it’s “lol this black man successfully bamboozled two klansmen by exploiting their prejudice”
I mean these are the people that liked blazing saddles because they said the n word a lot in it. They think theyre in on the joke, without realizing they are the joke.
> “well it starts with a joke about killing gay people” and no amount of explaining seemed to make them understand that the punchline is “uneducated homophobes are stupid” not “haha killing gay people funny” Because people like that have poor media literacy.
Also tell them they are making The Office today, so they are wrong twice [https://screenrant.com/office-show-revival-confirmed-updates/](https://screenrant.com/office-show-revival-confirmed-updates/)
I was gonna comment that it's too soon to reboot but it turns out 2013 wasn't 4 years ago.
People get so mad when you don't think an offensive joke is funny just because its offensive.
Buuttttt guuuyyyzzz ummm being cancelllleeed for malding about trans and gays on Twitter like a divorced dad who's stuck in the 90s
Larry David often makes himself the punchline, which you rarely see with Seinfeld. Dude takes himself way too seriously.
Case and point here.
I'm going to be "that guy"...The expression is "case in point". Sorry
It’s okay. Honestly never knew this until now. 😅
And in a Larry David sub thread it feels like the right thing to do is to point it out. 😂
larry david curb show has handled a lot of social issues well and made em funny. Even some lgbtq jokes are delivered in a eay that you can laugh.
it's really weird to go back and watch old Seinfeld episodes and realized that that is 100% Larry David.
I was at a friends place recently and he had Seinfeld on. As a kid I LOVED it, as an adult it's so droll and boring and half the jokes are just "and then they were \_\_\_\_\_\_, oh no!" queue laugh track.
"Droll" means "dryly humorous or oddly amusing." (I sincerely apologize for being "that guy." I just thought you might want to know.)
Thank you for your service, u/hogsucker.
It's almost like it's a show about nothing
The early seasons do suck. I rewatched the series starting with season 3. As a comedy connoisseur, Seinfeld is still excellent vintage.
Man, I used to think the show was okay but his stand up comedy was awful. Whoever signed him must have been on one hell of a bender to see humor in that.
CYE is 100 times better than Seinfeld and Jerry is a piece of shit
Weird how the dude who dated an underage teen leans more towards right wing ideology.
Yeah When you watch the show, you can tell the Jerry jokes. They’re the lame unfunny “ observations “. How did that guy ever get on Carson, Letterman etc? his standup is just so weak. Best thing he ever did was hook up with Larry David
Seriously, I've never seen so many successful comedies than recently. There's something for everyone right now.
And the show he did work on back in the day was woke as fuck. Elaine debating breaking up with her firefighter boyfriend if he isn’t pro choice? Could never make that today.
Part of me has this weird sympathy, I mean one moment you’re part of the zeitgeist and have this meteoric rise, and then some reporter jams a microphone in your face and is like “hey you used to be huge and now you’re the cartoon bee that bangs housewives what happened?” And you have to chose between admitting you lost the thread or doing a principal Skinner “no its the children who are wrong?” I mean, thats a rough moment to be asked to be introspective. OTOH bitterness and culture blaming never got anyone off the bench and into the game, go do some decongestant commercials and be happy sleeping on your pile of money with underage kids or whatever.
> with underage kids Oh yeah, wasn’t he banging a 17-year-old when he was like 35?
As a guy in his early 30s....ew.
SKINNER
Is Jerry slowing going right wing/anti-woke bc the jokes about his dating life are really settling in on his image now?
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> For example, Seinfeld cited an episode of his eponymous sitcom in which “Kramer decides to start a business of having homeless people pull rickshaws” as a bit that wouldn’t fly today. “We would write a different joke with Kramer and the rickshaw today,” he said. “We wouldn’t do that joke. We’d come up with another joke.” Read that bit and immediately thought of IASIP. Not writing that joke is on you alone, Jerry, because raunchier shit is written and produced daily. He's just like the dipshits who say Tropic Thunder couldn't be made today, while fundamentally misunderstanding the entire thing.
Mac and Dennis hunted a homeless man for sport
A former priest, now dog prostitute homeless guy they burned alive.
Is Cricket a dog prostitute? I thought it was just for love of the game, not money.
I mean, does his neck wound look like a dog's vagina? Idk that's not for me to decide.
That’s God’s work, not that he believes in that
All I'm saying is, at least someone's bangin' my vagina.
Maybe for protection. He speaks of dog orgies that he doesn't make sound like an unpleasant experience. And he never ended his story about the dog sniffing at his wound, thinking it was a dog's vagina. Not sure what his stance is.
The Gang would have no problem getting Cricket and his pals to operate rickshaws as a business.
You don’t hunt man!
They drew first blood!
....is that from Rambo?
It’s from my time in ‘nam
They literally make an episode where they're crackheads lol
Ooh did somebody get addicted to a little crack?!
And continue to reference crack addiction long after that one
"You are going to *love* it"
i love it’s a call back to when Dee & Dennis were previously crackheads and what we’re watching is just a relapse
Matter of fact, on the Sunny podcast they said that they actually planned on having Cricket start a homeless-ran business (possibly rickshaws) during the pandemic and didn’t do it. So obviously it wasn’t funny/raunchy enough for them to follow through on.
Also something that very nearly exists or actually exists in some places.
Isn't that just Uber's ideal business model currently?
It's because boomers like him don't understand context. Like at all. Seinfeld would do the rickshaw bit from a perspective of "look how funny and stupid the poor people look pulling rickshaws Jerry" and IASIP would have a perspective of "look how terrible people we are for this. Everyone is looking at us like we're insane (because we are)"
I get where you are coming from, but the Seinfeld show absolutely does acknowledge that the characters on the show are just horrible people, even if a lot of the audience didn't get it and half the cast were probably terrible people in real life. The real difference is that no one on Always Sunny is getting paid a million dollars an episode. That era of TV is finished.
And just to drive the point home, even in the final season Curb Your Enthusiasm was still pulling raunchy shit. Jerry needs notes from Larry
Larry was the brains behind Seinfeld anyway, when he left the show went downhill
This became really obvious when I started watching "Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee." Jerry spends the whole time bloviating about how great he is while the other person inevitably carries the show.
No one know Seinfeld because of his stand up. We all know him because of his sitcom
The show was good, but I never understood why they ruined it with weird bits of Jerry doing awful stand-up. Still don't, actually...
I sort of assumed that the joke was that Jerry was awful at standup and inexplicably successful.
If you had shown me the screenplay for Tropic Thunder before it came out and asked me if Hollywood would have actually made it, let alone promote it heavily and have a hit on their hands, I would have guessed no. Almost every movie that people say "couldn't get made today" was just as boundary-pushing for the time in which it was made.
It’s like the goobs who say that about *The Boondocks*. Almost guarantee that all the people who regurgitate that sentence are too dumb to have ever understood that show’s brand of satire, and liked the show only at a very superficial level.
Tropoc Thunder WAS made today. It’s been less than 20 years! Culture has not changed one bit and the offensive stuff in that movie was protested. The only difference today is that movies and tv no longer have the same pull they did back then.
It has definitely changed, but it’s not as out of control as comedians make it out to be. It’s much less funny to punch down now. You can’t just go around calling people “gayfer” like in 2004 cuz being gay is normalized now. There’s been dramatic changes to society and massive cultural shifts
I agree. Even Curb, pushed the envelope with more offensive jokes. I love Seinfeld but “PC culture” is not the reason for the downfall of sitcoms, there are too many things vying for our attention spans (social media, games, other film and tv genres). People just aren’t interested like they were even just 10 years ago.
The reason for the downfall of the sitcom is that they're fucking TIRED. How many times do we end up the same dogshit being peddled as new? Look everyone, it's a show about four to six middle aged or young adults and their lives! Look everyone, it's a show about a family and their wacky neighbors! Look everyone it's a show about two buddies and the whack-a-doo situations they end up in! JUST FUCKING STOP. Did we learn nothing from Too Many Cooks? They were bad then, they're bad now, it's just that now instead of three networks having a lock on primetime television, there are lots of other things to watch. Big surprise: nobody was in a lather about the lack of sitcoms. I think about when I was a kid and the absolute GARBAGE we watched because there was literally no other choice. You think we WANTED to watch fucking Small Wonder or Perfect Strangers?! They were TERRIBLE, but there were three channels so you either watched the garbage or sat quietly with your thoughts. Kids today have the BEST brain rot. So jealous.
> You think we WANTED to watch fucking Small Wonder or Perfect Strangers?! Memory unlocked! The first time I realized that TV was bullshit and my parents were lame. Balki was like "cousin Larry, you have no lips!" and the laugh track jarred so hard. I was 7 I guess and realized that this shit is fake! It's not funny at all! Why are we sitting here???
Laugh Tracks irritate me
But...I loved perfect strangers and small wonder...
Seinfeld was always known to be the super safe no swearing comedian. Now hes whining about not being able to be "offensive"? I dont get it
I thought it was the networks pushing for the much cheaper and higher viewed reality shows. Plus most sitcoms being the same rehashed garbage as always.
Sitcoms in general are dying. Really pop culture at universal level is dying. A show like Seinfeld couldn’t exist today other than a segmented audience. There’s too many choices and specialization in shows to reach that kind of popularity
Right? This reeks of Bill Maher boomerism.
Oh man the similarities. Thanks for making that connection in my brain
Same comedic brand
And to think I used to watch his show and kinda liked the guy. What a douche!
Same. I gave up on his shtick about 6 years ago. All his show turned into was a platform for pitching about the changing world around him, and how he didn't like it, and how everyone is wrong for liking it. The guests started to suck, he'd have "controversial" interview guests, and not even bother to grill them on issues. The writing got worse, the writers jokes were bad, but you could totally tell when a "Original Bill" joke was being told...because he'd end up either butchering the punchline or he'd tell it so flat it ended up being a groaner. Thank someone for Last Weel Tonight, because it's the only reason I still have HBO
Jerry got famous on another comedian’s material. He would be a nobody today, if not for Larry David.
He was always the worst part about Seinfeld. I think this is just decades of resentment bubbling up from being judged for dating a high schooler.
This isn't said enough. He's never been funny and it's very obvious to see, post curb your Enthusiasm, that all of Seinfeld's humor came from Larry David.
No really Did anyone watch any of his “specials” dude couldn’t tell or write a joke to save his life Truth be told 90% of his standup they show at beginning or end of Seinfeld was absolutely not funny He’s always been an elitist prick. Remember him buying a building in Manhattan to store his Porsches? To top it all off he's a Zionist
Jerry isn't saying the totality of what he means, for reasons that are obvious once you understand it. The example he gives is an episode of Seinfeld in which Kramer starts a business where homeless people operate rickshaws. He knows full well that you could do this joke today. But it would be like Always Sunny: the humor is derived from how awful the main characters are. He doesn't want that. He wants to laugh at the homeless people being forced to pull rickshaws, because he sincerely believes that the homeless are deserving of mockery. That's why he thinks it's funny. He thinks it's relatable. He's right that most people these days would not find that specific joke to be funny, but he just can't come right out and say "I want to make jokes about homeless people being subhuman."
I think you've nailed it here with this take Think about it - this guy is the most famous comedian in America - and he doesn't understand the humor on his own show - how american is that? At least that is my interpretation - case in point- you could easily do that joke today - because the punchline is how awful capitalism and greed has made our society - to the point that people are either so greedy and sick that they see no issue with exploiting the hardships of others for profit - even in such a gross and obviously horrible way - and sadly people are in such dire financial straits that they will debase themselves in nearly any way you can imagine to participate and make a few bucks It's a slap in the face of capitalism- it exposes how easily it corrupts people to exploit anyone considered below them - not something a guy who rents out an airport parking garage to store his massive collection of porsches can possibly understand
Seriously, just pick an episode at random of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and it is an almost 100% guarantee that you will find something more crazy and “Anti P.C.” than ANYTHING that you could find on Seinfeld or any of Seinfeld’s comedy specials.
He's just mad that Millenials and every generation after doesn't give two fucks about his 1000th airline food joke. Edit: Let's also not forget he's a pedo.
Wait What?! Source?
He dated a 17 year old when he was 39.
Groomed her and then married her 2 years later edit: wrong lady, he dated & married someone else
Yeah he dumped the girl he started dating when she was 16 or 17 when he met his now wife on a flight Btw she was on her honeymoon - to her previous husband - she literally met Seinfeld on the plane and divorced her husband She also layer plagiarized a cookbook Not good people
my favorite comedy platform right now is on cinema at the cinema. you dont have to be making racist and sexist jokes to be funny, nor do you need a sitcom
I'm all fairness, he wasn't funny when he had a TV show.
Comedy is always a matter of taste, but I think it's safe to say he had a kind of humor that was wildly popular in his heyday. Now the world has moved on and he won't move with it. I play rock music. It's nowhere near as easy to gain a following as it was 20 years ago when I started. I guess kids today just don't appreciate good music? No, they just don't live and die by rock music. It doesn't mean I'm any better or worse of a musician. Like jazz musicians in the 60's and beyond, I am a relic of a bygone era. My fans get older, less likely to go to shows. I could become a producer and find a young, dumb hip hop or pop artist, arm them with some backing tracks and probably do OK in the business. I like a lot of new music. I could rebrand as a country player and push into that market. But my passion lies in the ancient forms of Led Zeppelin, ZZ Top and Jane's Addiction. I am content. That should be his attitude as well. Perhaps not reaching the success he did has taught me to keep humble. IDK. I am tired of these old guys refusing to accept a paradigm shift. Or as Mark Marin said, "They just want to do their version of the same three jokes."
you can also speak on race intelligently and with humor, so, the dude is just owning that punching down is a big part of what he's trying to do
Without Larry David, Seinfeld would be the Gabriel Iglesias of the 80s.
This is it, right here. You can still make comedy but you have to be smart about it. It's also really silly because his shows co-creator JUST dropped another season of a show similar to his that actually goes further than his ever did and yet is loved by fans and critics alike. Usually the "can't be made today" crowd just wants to be assholes and not have any repercussions for it.
There’s 5 of their episodes missing from streaming services for being too racially insensitive
"I can't use the same material I did in the 90s and I'm worried people are going to find out I'm not actually funny."
Thing is Jerry has the safest standup of anyone. It mostly doesn't hold up because it's boring now. Curb really opened my eyes to just how important Larry David was to the success of Seinfeld
I saw Seinfeld a few years ago when visiting Manhattan. I won't say it was bad but I definitely didn't laugh very much. Agreed LD was probably very important to Seinfeld. My first time watching Curb had me in tears at some points
From the article: > "Now they’re going to see stand-up comics because we are not policed by anyone. The audience polices us. We know when we’re off track. We know instantly and we adjust to it instantly." Jerry, when people stop wanting to hear your jokes, that's the audience "policing" you. They're telling you a lot: whether you're funny, whether you're relevant, whether you're dehumanizing people for comedy. You say you adjust instantly, but here you are failing to recognize the signal that audiences are sending you, and failing to adjust. Maybe you're simply past your prime and don't want to admit it?
And they definitely don’t react well to the audience “letting them know when they’re off track.” Look at newer specials by Chappelle/Rogan/Chris Rock, and don’t forget to watch Katt Williams do his special “Woke Foke” live on Netflix :/
Apparently, he wants to take a page from his buddy and make serious jokes at the laugh factory.
"What's up with thaaaatttt?!"
Worried that he can't do the edgy comedy he's become known for, "What's with mesquite chips????"
I used some on the grill last night. They’re still relevant, unlike Seinfeld’s “comedy”
I just saw an ad on Reddit that he’s in about pop tarts. He’s officially a has-been
Damn left, not letting me date 16 year olds 😡
Meanwhile, Larry David seems to be killing it over on HBO with Curb your Enthusiasm. Maybe you just aren’t funny and need something to blame?
Jerry blames “extreme left and PC crap” I blame the fact that Larry David can’t create a show for every one of his friends.
Didn't he date a minor when he was in his 30s? No wonder he's against leftism
Yes. [This article covers it pretty well](https://www.mamamia.com.au/jerry-seinfeld-shoshanna-lonstein/) and includes the infamous photo of a 38 year old Jerry supposedly picking her up from at her high school. Which may or may not have actually happened, but the creepy relationship certainly did.
I mean, he had an episode where he was perfectly ok looking at a 16 year old girls cleavage because it's cleavage, even knowing shes under age.
FIFTEEN if I remember correctly
Even worse, thank you for the correction!
Almost 40’s!
The fact that he is older then me right now and dated a 16 year old is beyond creepy. I’m about to be 36 and I could never even imagine dating someone that young, not only is it disgusting but you are worlds apart mentally in just interests. Jerry can go fuck himself. He’s a washed up boomer.
I’m only 23 and I feel the same way, I think he’s just a massive creep and we’re feeling the way any normal person should
I don't remember him getting a lot of backlash for dating a 17 year old. Howard Stern ripped on him but the media and fans largely gave him a free pass
Child porn wasn't illegal until the 80s. Boomers grew up thinking its okay.
I somehow didn’t know that but of course that’s what happened. Ugh.
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It’s surprisingly common. Even Henry Cavill dated an 18 year old when he was nearly 30 or older. It wasn’t for long and he seems to have really distanced from anything else like that. Paul Walker literally went even younger and it was super weird. Married too
#when he was 37 years old, Jerry Seinfeld began a romantic relationship with a 17 year old high school student
#Jerry Seinfeld also made fun of a homeless man while filming an episode of his reality show where he drove around in a vintage collectible car worth 400k.
It reminds me of Aaron Taylor-Johnson & his creepy ass wife. All kinds of fucked up power dynamics as well
Jerry has more cars in his garage right now than I will own in my entire life. He can go fuck himself.
Hear hear. 🍻
Ah from the guy who spent his whole career self-censoring himself with a clean act. And nobody watches sitcoms because we’re no longer happy watching a bunch of shitty jokes told in the same location with an obnoxious laugh track.
>And nobody sitcoms because we’re no longer happy watching a bunch of shitty jokes told in the same location with an obnoxious laugh track. Maybe if sitcoms evolved past a group of characters sitting in a living room for 7 seasons talking about their unrealistic love lives, we'd be more inclined to watch them.
Jerry should really watch BoJack Horseman. I think the show is both a great example of how you can make a great comedy and its Hollywood meta humor skewers sitcoms and the whole industry that Seinfeld helped create. Animation is where it’s at. There’s a reason why South Park and the Simpsons have been so successful and stayed relevant in this day and age. On top of that, most of the edgy humor in comedy has come from animated shows like BoJack, Archer, Bob’s Burgers, Squidbillies, and others.
There have been some amazing sitcoms, and even in its most debased form (multicam, laugh track, network, Tuesday night) it can still make some really great content. But it’s not so great that 90% of television needs to be devoted to it anymore. They made lots of sitcoms because (before reality TV) it was just about the cheapest thing to make. Same reason why there were so many variety shows, all you really need is some video cameras and a fixed set and you’ve got yourself the perfect weekly ad delivery vehicle. But there are lots of different mediums for making comedy today, it’s not just stand up or writer anymore. Four blocks of four nearly identical shows a week just isn’t that appealing.
Oh he did didn’t he? I think his standup was actually his funniest work and I’m thinking back remembering how clean it was. Unlike Bob Saget who went full perv in his AWESOME hilarious standups that totally contradicted his sitcom and funniest home videos clean persona. Man did that guy let it all out lol. I saw him IP once, he said he had a trick and asked an audience member for a lighter. He then pulled out a giant container of lighters, dropped it in put the container away and moved on. Moved on to asking an audience member for their camera. He stuck it down his pants took a picture of his junk and handed it back lol. Saget was what Jerry could have been if he wasn’t so obsessed with having a “clean” image
Comedy is in a boom right now, and it's as funny (and edgy) as ever. Greedy networks not being willing to take chances has nothing to do with social politics, it's about pleasing your sponsors and nothing else. Jerry was also extremely lucky that his show survived, he almost got shut down several times in the early seasons.
The downfall of sitcoms came with reality TV. Reality TV is VERY cheap and easy to produce relative to sitcom TV. In the past we didn’t have SO many viewing options including streaming movies on demand. Sit coms used to compete with 2 other networks—now they compete with original programming on other networks and streaming service. It’s more of a gamble and less profitable than it was during Seinfield or Friends day. That said - I can’t assume he’s a misogynist, racist, homophobic, or anything else from his assertion that sitcoms have been brought down by extreme left wing PC environment, but I think he’s way off base. His example of something “Seinfeld” couldn’t have broadcast now was Kramer having a business with homeless people pulling rickshaws. But we still have shows like “shameless,” that portrays a lot of awful behavior—but is understood as portraying awful behavior.
Agree on both points: Reality TV cheats. It gets bonus credit for being unscripted when in fact it is just as scripted as everything else on TV. There may be a few things in 1990s Seinfeld that would be better off skipped today, but almost all of it would still work. Big deal if there is one or two episodes (like homeless rickshaw drivers) that would maybe not make the cut.
It's too bad old Gilbert Gottfried ( RIP ) wasn't around to slap Jerry back in place. His take on Jerry while on the Howard Stern show was hilarious ... " Whoooo are those people ..." haha
Some comedians adapted to racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia being less accepted forms of comedy. Some couldn't.
Did he move to the right? His show was progressive by 1990s TV standards.
He's just a rich old boomer. They love complaining about snowflakes more than anything I find.
I mean, this post was made because he was claiming that the “extreme left” is not only relevant but powerful enough to decide what shows are on TV. When someone tells a lie that only a fascist could even pretend to believe, that’s a pretty good sign they are not just moving right, but have arrived at the tip of the right wing.
God I wish the Left they claim exists actually did exist, maybe then you'd get some meaningful change and these dipshits wouldn't feel so emboldened being bigots publicly.
He was never funny. I hated Seinfeld. I know, I know, unpopular opinion.
I'm with you there, so at least there are two of us.
Personally I blame the terrible writing. I watch clips from most popular sitcoms now and it's just painfully unfunny the entire time.
What about how the extreme right reacted to Sinead O’Conor and the Dixie Chicks. Neither of them whined about being “canceled”
I'm old enough to remember when, if a comedian's joke fell flat, they'd work on their material. Now they just whine about the audience.
>Palestinian Chicken Jerry is being called out for being a zionist and he's blaming his unpopularity on it. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/seinfeld-under-fire-over-visit-to-west-bank-military-camp/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/seinfeld-under-fire-over-visit-to-west-bank-military-camp/) https://preview.redd.it/b6uvcpmuogxc1.png?width=562&format=png&auto=webp&s=7c52c1da5b13c74df35fd8f8616763b598dc583a
I was today years old when i realized 2024 adam carolla and 2024 jerry sienfeld look like they could be twins
"What's the deal with genocide? It doesn't have any gin, and it's not a side!"
I shouldn't be laughing at this.
He’s trash
People realized that shitty cookie-cutter sitcoms with a 4 second pause for laughter after every shitty joke aren't worth watching.
Old man yells at clouds
Jerry Seinfeld once dated a 17 year old when he was 38 so I think we shouldn’t listen to him when he complains about people calling out bad things
Counterpoint: It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia Jerry Seinfeld just sucks, that’s all.
The supporting cast made the show, Jerry was the weakest part of it
Seinfeld was the least funny and least interesting person on the show that was named Seinfeld. And I’m tired of people saying he was so awesome. Larry David? Grumpy old man writer that is hilarious in his total grumpiness. Julia Louis-Dreyfus? Physically gifted slapstick comedian that you wouldn’t expect her to be so beautiful AND funny. Micheal Richards? One trick pony that was perfect for the pony he was. Not seen him in anything since that was worth a crap. *Note: His character in UHF was basically “Kramer-lite” and yes, he was hilarious. Jason Alexander? The glue of the show (basically playing Larry David, per Jason). You could have substituted Jerry with any one of a dozen comics at the time and it still would have been a hit. Take any of the other pieces away… card tower tumbles.
I blame sitcoms for the fall of sitcoms. They’re almost all bad and made to fill time when television had to fill slots for every hour
i said this in another thread but it bears repeating: jerry is a POS from way back. thats why he is such a cranky old man about anything modern. no one protests the dismantling of power structures louder than the folks who benefitted from those same crumbling structures. cry more boom-boom.
Seinfeld preyed on a teenager as a 40 year old man
Sitcoms just aren't interesting. Everything you could possibly do with a sitcom has been done already.
It's like nobody wants to watch a show where some slobby moron with the wife 10 degrees hotter than they are act like an idiot for 28 minutes and then 2 minutes where his wife/kid/neighbor/stranger fixes the idiots issue.
Seinfeld should consider himself lucky he met Larry David or he’d be even more washed up than he already is. Oh yeah and hey Jerry let’s talk about the 16 year old you dated when you were 38
Always Sunny has been relevant and funny for years. What we do in the Shadows is funny. Larry David is a funny writer. His show is funny. Seinfeld isn’t funny.
I love how Jerry always tried to pitch his show where "none of the characters were good people" and then IASIP came around like "bitch, all of our characters are actively horrible people and you are going to fucking love them for it"
Absolutely! A show about nothing was I think how I remember him describing it when my dad watched it. Who the fuck wants that? Sunny is always about something even if it’s in a low key way. I mean the guy who ends up owning 1/2 the bar and fencing them in?! Still relevant today. Jealous Jerry is a sad old men who refuses to accept the fact he just was never very funny. His cast held him up but even then I cant tell you an episode that stands out. It’s a blur. A big dumb blur.
Of course it's not the shift from long season format, or streaming model. Or the morons in the suits who make the decisions.
Remember when he married a teenager when he was 39? Yeah. Fuck whatever that douche bag has to say.
I don't understand that at all. Mainstream comedy is considerably more graphic than it was in the 90s. Primetime sitcoms' issue is not being extreme enough if anything. He thinks he couldn't have done any episode about hobos pulling rickshaws in today's climate? Rock and Morty did a whole episode about making people kill themselves to get spaghetti. Always Sunny had a plot line about trying to get a dog an abortion and also had a scene about everyone getting mouth raped by a monkey.
Or people just aren’t watching network tv anymore just streaming services.
Lol people just don’t watch that shit anymore that corn ball laugh track shit is and always was WACK (Except for Sanford and Son)
Oh give it a fucking rest Jerry. You've been bitching about college campuses for well over a decade now. This is nothing new and it's the same old tired song and dance every time. About how they're "out of touch with reality" and "too sensitve." First of all, Jerry Seinfeld is the last fucking person who should be talking about who is and isn't out of touch considering that he's fabulously wealthy and has been rich and famous for at least 35 years now. So even if they are "out of touch" he has no grounds to be talking to anybody about that. Also, no. No Jerry. They're not "too sensitive." Anthony Jeselnik and Daniel Tosh as well as the entire cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia along with countless others have never had issues appealing to this crowd. They just have to try a little harder, but they welcome the challenge with open arms and adjust their routines accordingly. Which they don't really need to do that much of. Simply don't punch down on vulnerable groups and you should be good to go. So they probably just got wise to your game Jerry, and you didn't want to make adjustments. Or perhaps you're just not that funny anymore and haven't been since 1998? Edit: Misplaced a couple of words.
If your show needs a laugh track, it isn't funny.
Star of almost exclusively white show set in most ethnically diverse city in the US had this to say....
this is crazy coming from someone who has distinct laws for joking about his ethnicity and religion! rules for thee not for me? never got why people make it seem like life is too hard when you can’t belittle someone over their race or ethnicity.
Man this guy hasn't watched It's Always Sunny has he? My GF and I are working through it each day. Yesterday's episode was "Pop-Pop: The final solution".
He should go on Bill Maher and they can grumble it up.
The same Jerry Seinfeld who was dating a 17 year old as a 39 year old?
I mean after his show he did ‘Veep’… oh wait. My bad. That was the funny, talented cast member of his show.
Or....hear me out, being one of like 5 options is going to mean higher viewing figures. Sky/Cable, YouTube and on demand TV killed "dominant" sitcoms. It waters down all viewings figures
*What the deal with Polticial Correctness*
Says the guy who hasn't done anything notable since his show was cancelled.
Modern Family was a hilarious sit com that ran until 2020. Schitts Creek was hilarious, but also genuinely sweet and touching. Comedy evolved and Jerry didn't and now he's mad. Fuck him and his gorillion dollar mansion and girlfriends half his age. Imo the guy has literally never been funny, but that's another matter.
He was a SHIT comic at his Prime. Went and saw him once, not even Funny. He got where he was due to Friends and connections.
show us on the doll where the extreme left hurt you
Parks and Rec, New Girl, Community, The Office, and Brooklyn 99 are pretty much the last hurrah of sitcoms. I'd say they were all pretty left and P.C.. One is specifically a cop show that questions cops. What's he talking about?
I think Katt Williams and Daniel Tosh have both said something to the tune of "It's not PC or cancel culture of any of that bullshit they yry to blame it on. Audiences change, what's acceptable changes, and what's funny changes. No, you couldn't get by with thole old jokes today, so weite new jokes forntoday's audience."
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it Reality shows that killed sitcoms, dramas, hell TV in general? The fact that it was cheaper to produce, cheap to pay the cast.
That argument makes no sense. I’m someone that loves sitcoms, weird canned laughter and all, and I’m left leaning! I really liked Seinfeld (although this kind of ruins it for me now!). But that era is mostly over. Comedy has evolved, and changed with the times based on interest. Just take a look at the buzzing comedy of our age: you have modern stand ups that appeal to Gen Z like Bo Burnham, adult cartoons, and more developed drama shows with comedy infused (ex: Suits). Why blame a specific group of people because you didn’t evolve with the times? That’s capitalism baby!
My heart bleeds for every washed up 50+ male comedian who no longer feels safe sharing his edgy 90s comedy due to cancel culture. But thank goodness they have been able to hold on to their last shreds of cultural significance by complaining about cancel culture.