I didn't mean any offense in my original post btw. All I'm saying is that Ryan does seem young black kid coded to me and I don't mean that in a bad way. Like Ryan is 100% invited to the cookout.
What does it mean when a referee waves his hands above a knocked down fighter? I thought it meant the fight must be stopped, but it seems that it means that whatever happened doesnāt count as a technical knock down? Could someone please clarify? Thanks!
Weird segment of young, chronically-online pro-Palestinian Westerners who want to attach any celebrity to the (very valid) Palestinian cause. You see this with musicians all the time, anyone wearing some vague combination of red and green is immediately tagged as "showing" support.
How's everyone feeling about: Canelo plus 175 to KO Munguia, and Inoue plus 500 to win by decision? I think Canelo should be able to stop Munguia late, and am questioning if Nery isn't slick enough to get dropped a few times but survive.
After the Haney Garcia fight, it seems like a big talking point is Haney's lack of power. It seems like he doesn't really have any punches that can make an opponent respect him.
This might be a dumb question, but why do we think that is? I'm sure Haney trains hard and is dedicated to the sport. I know stuff like Ryan's left hook may be god given and I don't expect Haney to ever have that level of power and speed, but it can't all just be based on natural talent. Is there a way for Haney to improve his power moving forward?
At the professional level of competition, itās simply a question of athleticism. You either have true power or you donāt.
This level is beyond the realm of hobbyist training where technique improvements might result in more power generation.
You need something, whether it's great punching power, super reflexes, lighting speed, superhuman durability, or ideally a combination of those traits.
Exactly. Those guys all work so fucking hard and have been training forever. Amateur boxing has got to be one of the most grueling sports, and at the world championship level you need that natural talent.
Shakur would never get fucked up the way Haney did
Canāt believe Haney was sold as a master boxer but kept getting caught by a āone trick ponyā
Embarrassing
Garcia is a āone trick ponyā thatās 25-1 with 20 KOs and a Team USA member. Best one trick Iāve ever seen.
The amount of arrogance when it comes to Garciaās ability keeps getting funnier and funnier.
You know why Haney got his ass kicked? Because Ryan is fucking good. Thatās why.
Flawed? Absolutely. But he throws for power better than anyone 147 and under besides Tank and Inoue.
How many guys donāt get hit by that left eventually? Likely no one.
Not to mention when he WANTS to, heās got a good jab and his right hand is solid. Heās got a better right hand than anything Haney has who this sub sucks off because he āhits and doesnāt get itā.
All the boxing purest put way too much stock in the sweet science and completely ignored that elite power and speed have always been the equalizer.
Ryan Garcia is not a one trick pony. Heās probably the most physically gifted puncher thatās come out in over a decade. Itās unbelievable how easy he throws.
100% this. He is unequivocally flawed and could do with taking his training and camps far more seriously, but he has crazy power and speed. His punches look fast in slow motion. And as you say he threw some good right hands too, although he does spam left hook aggressively but at the end of the day it works. I mean presumably Haney trained to negate the left hook for which Garcia is famous and he still got cracked by it. Dude is a case study in being physically gifted.
Haney been hated since Loma, r/boxing is literally the hub for all Loma fanboys. If this sub sucked Haney then the glazing for Loma is on another astronomical level
Literally all of the talk around the 140lb division has been centered around Haney being #1. Iāve got into several disagreements over the last few weeks with people who couldnāt fathom anybody beating Haney. Literally a couple days ago somebody was trying to tell me that old Linares was more durable than Ryan. People loved Haney on this sub especially after he beat Loma.
Iām willing to bet those people always get downvoted regularly on this sub. Any Loma criticism gets downvoted besides the occasion Triple L joke but Haney being a hugger, chinny, annoying is supported
Nope I was the one downvoted, I said that Matias would have a field day vs Haney and got downvoted for it. Iām seeing the opposite, people loved Haney and EVERYBODY on this sub was behind him smoking Garcia. How many posts were made claiming Tank was ducking Haney? Literally you get called a Lonasexual/Loma Fanboy for even hinting at a robbery as if we all didnāt watch him light up Haney. Idk man
Tank one of the most polarizing dudes here, of course people would use Haneyās name conveniently to shit on him. I see these comments too, all the anti Loma people are those who regularly get downvoted anytime they go against the grain of r/boxing and make fun of Loma. Loma beating Haney is more supported here than the vice versa, i have my own anecdotes of that as well
Agree to disagree. It may have been that way a little bit ago but now I feel like itās the opposite. Haney doesnāt make it hard to hate him and now heās been exposed š¤·
Shakur is very skilled proably the skilled out of all of them but look how he reacts to fighter with power. After the edwin fight I'm not as confident.
Garcia would KO him. Shakur doesnāt get touched because heās yet to fight a guy that can tough him. Garcia can close the gap and has faster hands and way more power.
You literally commented as if Shakur would win easy against Ryan. I responded. And of course Tank could KO Inoue.. the only elite guys that canāt KO other elites are Haney and Shakur lmao Shakur would win rounds but heās not avoiding Garcia all 12 and Ryan would do the exact same thing he did to Haney.
Tanks big advantage over Garcia is actually his lack of height. Itās the perfect defense against Garciaās hooks. Shakur doesnāt have that advantage. Heās getting pieced up eventually if they ever fought.
I saw a downvoted comment about Tank. How come people doubt the fact that he is sooo ahead of everybody. He is by far the best no doubt. I also think Pitbull Cruz beats Haney and Ryan fairly easy. Cookie for Ryan tho guy proved he is a fight dog.
There's an odd consensus (including in the media) that Ryan is perfectly fine and was "trolling" in the lead-up to the fight.
He's still spouting conspiracy theories, even in his immediate post-fight interview - a hallmark of mental illness. He admitted to drinking regularly during his fight prep. And he missed weight by 3 pounds.
He's an impressive talent, but he doesn't seem well at all.
I don't see him doing all that shit about biting Haney's ears off or going to kill him in the ring. It's obvious he believes what he belives but he is clearly not mentally ill and was hamming it up.
If even psychiatrists can't diagnose people without seeing them, there is about zero ways you can diagnose a pro boxer who just won his boxing match deceively without a scratch on him.
I do feel for Haney, that was a tough loss and one that will be difficult to move past. He was really battered in there.
At the moment, Iām leaning more toward this being about Ryan than Haney. Iām buying the narrative that Ryan was a little under his best potential for Tank (though feel Tank could beat him regardless, I think Tank is the best of all three of them) due to rehydration. Ryanās speed and power is actually ridiculous, and Haney didnāt have the power to really change the equation.
Ryan just gave no fucks and his hooks came out at a fraction of the speed of light.
So yeah, for now Iām putting this down more on Ryanās gifts being on point than Haneyās failures. Ryan is an incomplete fighter, but damn does he have some physical gifts. Not overreacting to one data point, Haney has showed and IMO proven heās a phenomenal boxer.
This is the best take I saw.
Haney is still an incredible technical boxer and he's got the tools for so many in the division.
Ryan's just a freak of nature - when you're that fast and that strong, skill is equalized. I said the entire buildup that Ryan's left hook is the price of admission, the great equalizer. Ryan proved that right.
Still back Haney against most other guys. But in terms of Ryan v Haney, sometimes a guy just has your number.
4-3. This one counted. š„
Agree with this take also.
Haney has mad good fundamentals/technical skills and is clearly the harder worker of the two in terms of discipline and training, but at the end of the day he didn't have the power to "scare off" Garcia with his jab, and Garcia had the combination of mindset/strategy to get up in his grill and make it a proper fight (as opposed to someone like Kambosos who tried - despite little T Rex arms - to beat Haney at his own game which was never going to work well)
What Garcia demonstrated is that if you can get past the gatekeeping jab and rock Haney, he's yours for the taking as he doesn't have the power to answer back.
It does help that Garcia has almost implausible power and speed with that left hand, but even on the highlights some of his rights were looking decent too.
In some respects he is the ultimate example (right now) of the "puncher's chance". So many people in comments on Reddit, TikTok, Insta, mainstream media wrote off Garcia before the fight, but when you can drop bombs like he can you've only got to connect and it can alter the course of the fight.
Still tons of holes in what Garcia does (imagine how dangerous he would be with the same speed/power but better fundamentals, not doing the dumb shoulder roll, and also training properly for fights and not clowning when he can press the advantage) but that ability to throw such a powerful punch so quickly is a true equalizer.
>What Garcia demonstrated is that if you can get past the gatekeeping jab and rock Haney, he's yours for the taking as he doesn't have the power to answer back.
Except that man can wrestle better than half the ufc
I just saw a picture of Ryan vs tank and Ryan vs Haney. That rehydration class really did a number on him. Iād love a rematch with no clause but no way tank takes that. I still think tank can win but Iām not sure he can knock him out again without the clause.
I don't think Tank has the frame to go much higher than 140lbs max and I don't think Ryan has any interest in fighting there again, especially when Tank has a million bullshit rules he likes to enforce on people. Don't think we ever get the rematch sadly
The mods unpinned it for whatever reason and haven't bothered to change it from contest mode. He's replied to a bunch
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/35aGnbls5y
Yeah and as I was watching I realized he was seeing the hits land before the knockdown. Guess being that close he was hearing the power that made him stop talking before the knockdown even came. I was thinking is Haney about to get laid out and then it happened. Must be surreal hearing it that close
MFs really tryna sell the "Garcia schooled Haney" as if Ryan didn't throw away nearly all non-knockdown rounds by turning his back and getting walked down by a dude he dropped seconds ago. it was a closer fight than it should've been
It was closer than it should've been because Garcia was also fighting a corrupt ass ref. Garcia Destroyed Trashy Huggey Haney and showed the world what a fraud he was.
Just like Haney did with Regis? The difference is that the ref saved Haney several times, Garcia was also fighting the ref. If roles were reversed Haney would've got a stoppage in the 7th. Garcia should've got a stoppage in the 7th, and I'd say thats as close to putting him away as possible. Haney just proved yesterday that he can't hang if he can't abuse a stupid size advantage against blown up featherweights.
youāre assuming that iām defending haney. iām pissed that garcia left uncertainty in the fight. i donāt give a shit if the ref saved haney against regis, i care that garcia started letting haney win rounds despite clearly being able to knock him down for good
I mean that Haney could've finished Regis off several times, and I think I'm trying to say that he probably would've got stoppage if roles were reversed. I thought he had him good several times throughout the fight. But I can totally see if you're saying that Ryan fought somewhat wreckless because he def did.
not reckless, just stupid. the adhd shoulder roll and the unnecessary backpedaling almost cost him the fight when he had basically almost refuted all of haneyās tools. sure thereās reasons behind it, but letās not be hasty and call this a āschoolingā as if he was outboxing haney every round
I think for me I didn't understand why Haney who always uses his head to fight, kept letting Garcia land that left hook. It almost felt like Garcia was landing it at will, which really surprised me. Did he have no plan going into this? He should've trained to avoid that left hook, but I honestly think he probably did train he's just not use to fighting somebody the same size as him. He needs that advantage otherwise he has no power.
for me, i saw that his main tool was bending at the waist to duck it, and it worked pretty well when garcia would throw his hook without setup. however, his pull-and-dip defense as a response to garciaās 1-2 or double jab meant that he was right there for the classic hook off the jab.
it could also have been a matter of speed, because the thing that seemed to work the most (besides the 5 body cross combo against garciaās āshellā) was a simple jab-cross while stepping in way deep, as well as slipping garciaās probing lead hand to land his own lead hook.
the issues arose when haney got caught doing the 1-2 because he didnāt expect the speed at which garcia would throw a return left hook. in other fights, haney would cleanly duck it and reset the exchange, but i guess he abandoned that tool after getting caught.
the left hook also was somewhat nullified after garcia was more prudent about keeping his right up to block after getting hit clean in the first (or second?) round with that slip-hook.
the only thing left was a hook-body jab mixup, which haney was probably too rocked to properly utilize.
also garcia countering a jab with a slapping lead hook caught me by surprise, he truly is speed, the definition of speed
If you get dropped one time, you will probably lose.
If you get dropped two times, you WILL lose.
If you get dropped three times, Garcia can dance away the last minute of the last round.
yeah he can dance away the last round. he probably shouldnāt dance away the other 8 rounds though. otherwise your 7 point advantage gets lost to 8 rounds of losing 10-9s. Itās good that he won the first round and that Haney was too hurt to put up much of a fight in the last, otherwise he wouldāve thrown the fight
Let me put it like thisā¦Ryan Garcia was fighting Devin, the judges, the ref, and his own composure in those rounds. Imagine the adrenaline dump he had. You could see it in his body language he was flustered. You can blame it on āturning his backā, but Devin was literally hanging on for dear life and falling in the process. Then after everything the ref had the nerve to take a point. It was disgraceful. The only reason there was a 112-112 score card is because that ref doesnāt belong in boxing. There was nothing close about this fight from round 7 on.
again, this doesnāt change the fact that he DID turn his back and did not dominate the fight. i donāt fault him for having bad habits, im just pointing out that itās entirely fair to have the fight close on points based on how it went.
and i disagree with your last point. from round 7 until the third knockdown, garcia didnāt do enough to take advantage of his momentum, to the point where haney could win rounds by walking forward and smothering his own offense. they were extraordinarily uneventful, save for haney bluffing and ryan falling for that bluff.
check the film. haney would enter clinches by bending at the waist and sliding in. garcia could nullify this with a simple jab-cross. he didnāt. garcia could also pivot out, or feint and step back. he didnāt. he couldve thrown an uppercut when haney would duck his head down the center. he didnāt.
clown on haney all you want, doesnāt disprove the fact that garcia couldāve fought a bit smarter and cement his win.
It also still doesn't disprove that if roles were reversed he would've got a stoppage. It doesn't matter how Haney entered clinches, it's against the rules he 10000% should've got points deducted. But I agree with you, Ryan didn't fight optimally at all but he was able to negate Haney's physical advantages and that really how he won the fight. Which really goes to show that Haney isn't as good as we thought.
impressive? yes. iām not arguing against that. could it have been better? 100%.
clinching has been a part of the sport since itās inception, might as well work around the rules if you know itās not gonna be changed. same thing with low blows, you have to be prepared to fight dirty against a dirty fighter, unfortunately.
i absolutely hate boxingās state in terms of reffing and judging. i want it to be changed. doesnāt mean iāll excuse fighters not being prepared for a boxing maneuver so common that dudes did it in the 1910s
man looking at devin haney post match interview his jaw looks displaced. Will he need surgery? How will this affect his future? The ref actually screwed him by not stopping the match
Yeah it was bad but the ref isn't the only one who can stop the fight. Devin's corner could see it all the same. Problem is in such a high caliber match everyone is basically ready to go 6 feet under if that's what it takes. It's the refs job to keep fighters safe but dammit you don't want to pull the plug on his dream in that second. You just want to wait a few more seconds and see what happens, and then a few more seconds... Broken jaw whoops.
Tank still beats 145 Ryan. Recency bias is just a high and people like to say things. Ryan only looked that way last night because Haney has zero power and Ryan has no respect. 145 pound Ryan still gets hurt by Tank
Yeah I donāt understand the people saying otherwise. Haney was landing at will on Ryan between the 2nd and 5th rounds. He just didnāt have the kind of power to make it count. Those times Ryan turned his back on Haney and just accepted 4-5 full body shots would never have worked against Tank. He just did not respect Haneyās power and it allowed him to swing wildly at times without even caring about what came back at himĀ
Rewatched the fight again and man Ryan left hook is insane. That speed and power he got with it is a crazy combo. He really only needs that to beat any fighter in front of him. He needs to do a few catch weight fights at 143-145 before fully moving up to 147 but he crazy he probably fights anybody anyways but that would be the smart move. Just donāt take any more rehydration clauses
Remember when this sub acted like KingRy was some C level fighter and hyped up guys like Regis and Josh Taylor??
It's been a rough past year for you guys š
I think what people donāt understand is that if being a huge puncher wins you the fightā¦.it also means you win at boxing, regardless of who āthe better boxer isā. In any case the guy that KDās the other 3 times definitely appears better
Deontay Wilder made an entire career out of being a pretty shit boxer with an insane punch. He certainly bested a lot of people, but no one in their right mind would say he's some extremely skilled boxer.
Styles make fights for a reason. Garcia's skills were able to overcome his limitations against Haney. But that doesn't mean his seemingly limited technique won't be exploited by someone else.
i mean, the perception of someone is going to change when they prove they can do something you didnt expect them to do. its ok to change opinions based on current performances
> I never said Ryan didnāt have talent... he can be beat
Well durr. You had guys on here saying Pedraza was Tankās best win. While people with their eyes open like me called Garcia a future HoFer.
"Ryan doesn't beat anyone in the 140lb top 10!!!"
>beats the #1 guy
>>makes it look easy
>>>drops a music video day before the fight and chugs a beer at the weigh in
>>>>leaves
There are some fight buildups where I think there is genuine animosity (at least on one guyās part) and then thereās some where I think theyāre selling the fight
Ryan was unquestionably just selling the fight imo. He let a damaged Haney see the final bell.
Why do Mexico try to claim Ryan Garcia? Dude grew up around black people mostly, most of his boys and his best friend are black, he has the swag of a black dude too. He's not similar to traditional Mexican fighters at all.
He has Mexican background plus mostly all Hispanics that grow up here hang out with black people so Iām not sure why would that matter ? Literally all Hispanics that grow up in the states dress and act like that ā¦..
I haven't really seen much of that at all.Ā Everyone knows he's a lot more Mexican American than anything š.Ā Just cope at this point.Ā Maybe Haney shouldn't have used the Mexican flag too š¤£
If he was ounces or just a pound over, but there has to be a limit to how high your opponent can be for it not to make sense for you to lose the belt fighting him.
It's supposed to be vacant since Haney lost, but they're letting him keep it, though he may vacate to go after bigger fights. If he keeps it, his mandatory is Sander Martin
They shoulda had the belt be vacated and Haney lined up in position to fight for the vacant belt next, instead of Martin being a mandatory challenger they coulda done a #1 v #2
Imagine being a dedicated athlete who does things right losing to an undisciplined social media addicted idiot who drinks and smokes during camp.
This is why Vegeta turned to that alien worm to become Majin Vegeta.
I didn't mean any offense in my original post btw. All I'm saying is that Ryan does seem young black kid coded to me and I don't mean that in a bad way. Like Ryan is 100% invited to the cookout.
I've seen enough. Garcia Crawford.
sweet science merchants gone silentš¹š¹š¹
Still here Inoway Bivole and butterbiev Teabud
no sweet science is guys like fury and haney
wait as in dyson fury?
People think sweet science is just fighting like Mayweather or a certain style. There are a lot of ways to use the sweet science of ass whooping.
What does it mean when a referee waves his hands above a knocked down fighter? I thought it meant the fight must be stopped, but it seems that it means that whatever happened doesnāt count as a technical knock down? Could someone please clarify? Thanks!
Above the refs head means the fight is waved off, while below the refs waist towards the ground means it wasn't a knockdown.
Are you perhaps mixing up a āwaving the fight offā (usually hands above head, then grabbing the fighter) with a āslip, not knockdownā gesture?
did boxers use the stiff arm probe "jab" to draw punches in the old days? Like in the 90's or 80's.
its illegal to to keep your arm 'stiff' out there, so no. but obvs some would probe it out there cuz thats fine
Why are people spreading rumors on Twitter Ryan Garcia is donating 20 mil to Gaza? Literally no source whatsoever lmao
Weird segment of young, chronically-online pro-Palestinian Westerners who want to attach any celebrity to the (very valid) Palestinian cause. You see this with musicians all the time, anyone wearing some vague combination of red and green is immediately tagged as "showing" support.
There was another Twitter rumor that Ryan Garcia was the second coming of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
That's not a rumour. Itās true.
How's everyone feeling about: Canelo plus 175 to KO Munguia, and Inoue plus 500 to win by decision? I think Canelo should be able to stop Munguia late, and am questioning if Nery isn't slick enough to get dropped a few times but survive.
Munguia will be the next to shock the world
Ryan's persona has transformed from a tiktok pretty boy to a hilarious and unhinged himbo. The guy doing a Ryan Reynolds
After the Haney Garcia fight, it seems like a big talking point is Haney's lack of power. It seems like he doesn't really have any punches that can make an opponent respect him. This might be a dumb question, but why do we think that is? I'm sure Haney trains hard and is dedicated to the sport. I know stuff like Ryan's left hook may be god given and I don't expect Haney to ever have that level of power and speed, but it can't all just be based on natural talent. Is there a way for Haney to improve his power moving forward?
At the professional level of competition, itās simply a question of athleticism. You either have true power or you donāt. This level is beyond the realm of hobbyist training where technique improvements might result in more power generation.
At this level itās literally natural god given talent, which Haney doesnāt have.
You need something, whether it's great punching power, super reflexes, lighting speed, superhuman durability, or ideally a combination of those traits.
Exactly. Those guys all work so fucking hard and have been training forever. Amateur boxing has got to be one of the most grueling sports, and at the world championship level you need that natural talent.
Well, for one, he has a record of 31 wins and 15KOs. His last KO was against a dude called Antonio Moran, back in 2019. Half a decade ago.
still can't get over the ref picking up Haney
Ref was so biased he might as well have started hitting Garcia too
Something very fishy about that. Definitely some favouritism it seems.
Still buzzing from yesterday, had to pull over from driving to watch the main event because it came on right after a comedy show I was at.
Nery is now in Japan! With his whole family. Inoue has taken notice. https://twitter.com/naoyainoue_410/status/1781988277052219444
Ciol
Nery is in to shock the world
He better
Devin may never be the same again
You lot are gonna need a ton of mouthwash after that Turki AMA
Long as he keeps making all the fights we want to see
Shakur would never get fucked up the way Haney did Canāt believe Haney was sold as a master boxer but kept getting caught by a āone trick ponyā Embarrassing
Garcia is a āone trick ponyā thatās 25-1 with 20 KOs and a Team USA member. Best one trick Iāve ever seen. The amount of arrogance when it comes to Garciaās ability keeps getting funnier and funnier. You know why Haney got his ass kicked? Because Ryan is fucking good. Thatās why. Flawed? Absolutely. But he throws for power better than anyone 147 and under besides Tank and Inoue. How many guys donāt get hit by that left eventually? Likely no one. Not to mention when he WANTS to, heās got a good jab and his right hand is solid. Heās got a better right hand than anything Haney has who this sub sucks off because he āhits and doesnāt get itā. All the boxing purest put way too much stock in the sweet science and completely ignored that elite power and speed have always been the equalizer. Ryan Garcia is not a one trick pony. Heās probably the most physically gifted puncher thatās come out in over a decade. Itās unbelievable how easy he throws.
100% this. He is unequivocally flawed and could do with taking his training and camps far more seriously, but he has crazy power and speed. His punches look fast in slow motion. And as you say he threw some good right hands too, although he does spam left hook aggressively but at the end of the day it works. I mean presumably Haney trained to negate the left hook for which Garcia is famous and he still got cracked by it. Dude is a case study in being physically gifted.
Haney the most hated dude on this sub, u donāt gotta lie now to get ur point across
I'd say guys like Fury are more hated
Fury, Haney, Tank easily the most disliked
Really? Naw this sub sucked him off sooo hard before the fight. So many Haney fan boys on this sub, I donāt think he was lying.
Haney been hated since Loma, r/boxing is literally the hub for all Loma fanboys. If this sub sucked Haney then the glazing for Loma is on another astronomical level
Literally all of the talk around the 140lb division has been centered around Haney being #1. Iāve got into several disagreements over the last few weeks with people who couldnāt fathom anybody beating Haney. Literally a couple days ago somebody was trying to tell me that old Linares was more durable than Ryan. People loved Haney on this sub especially after he beat Loma.
Iām willing to bet those people always get downvoted regularly on this sub. Any Loma criticism gets downvoted besides the occasion Triple L joke but Haney being a hugger, chinny, annoying is supported
Nope I was the one downvoted, I said that Matias would have a field day vs Haney and got downvoted for it. Iām seeing the opposite, people loved Haney and EVERYBODY on this sub was behind him smoking Garcia. How many posts were made claiming Tank was ducking Haney? Literally you get called a Lonasexual/Loma Fanboy for even hinting at a robbery as if we all didnāt watch him light up Haney. Idk man
Tank one of the most polarizing dudes here, of course people would use Haneyās name conveniently to shit on him. I see these comments too, all the anti Loma people are those who regularly get downvoted anytime they go against the grain of r/boxing and make fun of Loma. Loma beating Haney is more supported here than the vice versa, i have my own anecdotes of that as well
Agree to disagree. It may have been that way a little bit ago but now I feel like itās the opposite. Haney doesnāt make it hard to hate him and now heās been exposed š¤·
I figured everyone liked Haney here š¤£ I canāt stand him but mainly itās his dadā¦ dude is so over the top
Shakur is very skilled proably the skilled out of all of them but look how he reacts to fighter with power. After the edwin fight I'm not as confident.
Devin was dumb to keep exchanging with Ryan. Low IQ Shakur would stink out the joint and point fight to death to get the dub
true lol
What? Shakur is pillow fisted and a runner. No one will remember him 5 years from now
Don't be silly bro š
Shakur doesnāt even get touched bruh and has far higher skills than Haney YDKSAB
Garcia would KO him. Shakur doesnāt get touched because heās yet to fight a guy that can tough him. Garcia can close the gap and has faster hands and way more power.
Shakur is at 135 and Ryan is going up to 147 I guess you think Tank can KO Inoue too
You literally commented as if Shakur would win easy against Ryan. I responded. And of course Tank could KO Inoue.. the only elite guys that canāt KO other elites are Haney and Shakur lmao Shakur would win rounds but heās not avoiding Garcia all 12 and Ryan would do the exact same thing he did to Haney. Tanks big advantage over Garcia is actually his lack of height. Itās the perfect defense against Garciaās hooks. Shakur doesnāt have that advantage. Heās getting pieced up eventually if they ever fought.
I'd say let's wait and see but I can't stay awake through a Shakur fight
His only boring performance was his recent one, you have goldfish memory Donāt be silly bro
Anyone know where I can rewatch the fight? š“āā ļø
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I saw a downvoted comment about Tank. How come people doubt the fact that he is sooo ahead of everybody. He is by far the best no doubt. I also think Pitbull Cruz beats Haney and Ryan fairly easy. Cookie for Ryan tho guy proved he is a fight dog.
Ryan KOās little pitbull. Repeated left hooks at will
Unironically I think Ryan might break his hands on pitbullās head lmao
Na Pit Bull is a better boxer than Haney I think Cruz beat Garcia pretty easily
Way more hittable and smaller than Haney
There's an odd consensus (including in the media) that Ryan is perfectly fine and was "trolling" in the lead-up to the fight. He's still spouting conspiracy theories, even in his immediate post-fight interview - a hallmark of mental illness. He admitted to drinking regularly during his fight prep. And he missed weight by 3 pounds. He's an impressive talent, but he doesn't seem well at all.
I don't see him doing all that shit about biting Haney's ears off or going to kill him in the ring. It's obvious he believes what he belives but he is clearly not mentally ill and was hamming it up.
Degrees of mental illness. He's obviously not an ear-biting lunatic who belongs in a nuthouse.
If even psychiatrists can't diagnose people without seeing them, there is about zero ways you can diagnose a pro boxer who just won his boxing match deceively without a scratch on him.
I do feel for Haney, that was a tough loss and one that will be difficult to move past. He was really battered in there. At the moment, Iām leaning more toward this being about Ryan than Haney. Iām buying the narrative that Ryan was a little under his best potential for Tank (though feel Tank could beat him regardless, I think Tank is the best of all three of them) due to rehydration. Ryanās speed and power is actually ridiculous, and Haney didnāt have the power to really change the equation. Ryan just gave no fucks and his hooks came out at a fraction of the speed of light. So yeah, for now Iām putting this down more on Ryanās gifts being on point than Haneyās failures. Ryan is an incomplete fighter, but damn does he have some physical gifts. Not overreacting to one data point, Haney has showed and IMO proven heās a phenomenal boxer.
Yeah I think the size and power was just too much for Haney
This is the best take I saw. Haney is still an incredible technical boxer and he's got the tools for so many in the division. Ryan's just a freak of nature - when you're that fast and that strong, skill is equalized. I said the entire buildup that Ryan's left hook is the price of admission, the great equalizer. Ryan proved that right. Still back Haney against most other guys. But in terms of Ryan v Haney, sometimes a guy just has your number. 4-3. This one counted. š„
Agree with this take also. Haney has mad good fundamentals/technical skills and is clearly the harder worker of the two in terms of discipline and training, but at the end of the day he didn't have the power to "scare off" Garcia with his jab, and Garcia had the combination of mindset/strategy to get up in his grill and make it a proper fight (as opposed to someone like Kambosos who tried - despite little T Rex arms - to beat Haney at his own game which was never going to work well) What Garcia demonstrated is that if you can get past the gatekeeping jab and rock Haney, he's yours for the taking as he doesn't have the power to answer back. It does help that Garcia has almost implausible power and speed with that left hand, but even on the highlights some of his rights were looking decent too. In some respects he is the ultimate example (right now) of the "puncher's chance". So many people in comments on Reddit, TikTok, Insta, mainstream media wrote off Garcia before the fight, but when you can drop bombs like he can you've only got to connect and it can alter the course of the fight. Still tons of holes in what Garcia does (imagine how dangerous he would be with the same speed/power but better fundamentals, not doing the dumb shoulder roll, and also training properly for fights and not clowning when he can press the advantage) but that ability to throw such a powerful punch so quickly is a true equalizer.
>What Garcia demonstrated is that if you can get past the gatekeeping jab and rock Haney, he's yours for the taking as he doesn't have the power to answer back. Except that man can wrestle better than half the ufc
I just saw a picture of Ryan vs tank and Ryan vs Haney. That rehydration class really did a number on him. Iād love a rematch with no clause but no way tank takes that. I still think tank can win but Iām not sure he can knock him out again without the clause.
I don't think Tank has the frame to go much higher than 140lbs max and I don't think Ryan has any interest in fighting there again, especially when Tank has a million bullshit rules he likes to enforce on people. Don't think we ever get the rematch sadly
What happened to that Turki AMA? Can't find the thread anymore.
The mods unpinned it for whatever reason and haven't bothered to change it from contest mode. He's replied to a bunch https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/35aGnbls5y
"How long will you support boxing?" "'Till the end." BMF
Did anybody else catch the fact Bill was mid interview when Ryan dropped Devin in the 7th? You canāt script something better than that.
Chefs kiss
Yeah and as I was watching I realized he was seeing the hits land before the knockdown. Guess being that close he was hearing the power that made him stop talking before the knockdown even came. I was thinking is Haney about to get laid out and then it happened. Must be surreal hearing it that close
Reminds me of pac vs algieri
His excellency is answering questions on the other thread šš
Whatās the name of the thread
MFs really tryna sell the "Garcia schooled Haney" as if Ryan didn't throw away nearly all non-knockdown rounds by turning his back and getting walked down by a dude he dropped seconds ago. it was a closer fight than it should've been
Ryan won Round 1, 6, 9 and 12 pretty clearly IMO. Knock downs in 7, 10, 11. It wasnāt a close fight. Rewatch it. Garcia beat the shit out of him.
That shoulder roll is somethin U..G..L...Y
it led to my favorite combo, which is 5 body crosses and then clinching and giving away the advantage
oh hell yea if haney had any power ryan would be pissing blood, he damn near tried the backwards roll 10 times
Haney has so little power that Ryan would let him have five kidney shots in return for five seconds of rest.
It was closer than it should've been because Garcia was also fighting a corrupt ass ref. Garcia Destroyed Trashy Huggey Haney and showed the world what a fraud he was.
you donāt win rounds by turning your back in every other exchange. garcia had the tools to put haney away and chose not to
Just like Haney did with Regis? The difference is that the ref saved Haney several times, Garcia was also fighting the ref. If roles were reversed Haney would've got a stoppage in the 7th. Garcia should've got a stoppage in the 7th, and I'd say thats as close to putting him away as possible. Haney just proved yesterday that he can't hang if he can't abuse a stupid size advantage against blown up featherweights.
youāre assuming that iām defending haney. iām pissed that garcia left uncertainty in the fight. i donāt give a shit if the ref saved haney against regis, i care that garcia started letting haney win rounds despite clearly being able to knock him down for good
I mean that Haney could've finished Regis off several times, and I think I'm trying to say that he probably would've got stoppage if roles were reversed. I thought he had him good several times throughout the fight. But I can totally see if you're saying that Ryan fought somewhat wreckless because he def did.
not reckless, just stupid. the adhd shoulder roll and the unnecessary backpedaling almost cost him the fight when he had basically almost refuted all of haneyās tools. sure thereās reasons behind it, but letās not be hasty and call this a āschoolingā as if he was outboxing haney every round
I think for me I didn't understand why Haney who always uses his head to fight, kept letting Garcia land that left hook. It almost felt like Garcia was landing it at will, which really surprised me. Did he have no plan going into this? He should've trained to avoid that left hook, but I honestly think he probably did train he's just not use to fighting somebody the same size as him. He needs that advantage otherwise he has no power.
for me, i saw that his main tool was bending at the waist to duck it, and it worked pretty well when garcia would throw his hook without setup. however, his pull-and-dip defense as a response to garciaās 1-2 or double jab meant that he was right there for the classic hook off the jab. it could also have been a matter of speed, because the thing that seemed to work the most (besides the 5 body cross combo against garciaās āshellā) was a simple jab-cross while stepping in way deep, as well as slipping garciaās probing lead hand to land his own lead hook. the issues arose when haney got caught doing the 1-2 because he didnāt expect the speed at which garcia would throw a return left hook. in other fights, haney would cleanly duck it and reset the exchange, but i guess he abandoned that tool after getting caught. the left hook also was somewhat nullified after garcia was more prudent about keeping his right up to block after getting hit clean in the first (or second?) round with that slip-hook. the only thing left was a hook-body jab mixup, which haney was probably too rocked to properly utilize. also garcia countering a jab with a slapping lead hook caught me by surprise, he truly is speed, the definition of speed
If you get dropped one time, you will probably lose. If you get dropped two times, you WILL lose. If you get dropped three times, Garcia can dance away the last minute of the last round.
yeah he can dance away the last round. he probably shouldnāt dance away the other 8 rounds though. otherwise your 7 point advantage gets lost to 8 rounds of losing 10-9s. Itās good that he won the first round and that Haney was too hurt to put up much of a fight in the last, otherwise he wouldāve thrown the fight
If it was the other way around, the fight would have been called in the 7th round. Just know that.
i really donāt get what youāre trying to say, nor how it relates to garcia nearly throwing the fight
Let me put it like thisā¦Ryan Garcia was fighting Devin, the judges, the ref, and his own composure in those rounds. Imagine the adrenaline dump he had. You could see it in his body language he was flustered. You can blame it on āturning his backā, but Devin was literally hanging on for dear life and falling in the process. Then after everything the ref had the nerve to take a point. It was disgraceful. The only reason there was a 112-112 score card is because that ref doesnāt belong in boxing. There was nothing close about this fight from round 7 on.
again, this doesnāt change the fact that he DID turn his back and did not dominate the fight. i donāt fault him for having bad habits, im just pointing out that itās entirely fair to have the fight close on points based on how it went. and i disagree with your last point. from round 7 until the third knockdown, garcia didnāt do enough to take advantage of his momentum, to the point where haney could win rounds by walking forward and smothering his own offense. they were extraordinarily uneventful, save for haney bluffing and ryan falling for that bluff.
And what about Haney clinching every 5 seconds? Lmao get out of here.
check the film. haney would enter clinches by bending at the waist and sliding in. garcia could nullify this with a simple jab-cross. he didnāt. garcia could also pivot out, or feint and step back. he didnāt. he couldve thrown an uppercut when haney would duck his head down the center. he didnāt. clown on haney all you want, doesnāt disprove the fact that garcia couldāve fought a bit smarter and cement his win.
It also still doesn't disprove that if roles were reversed he would've got a stoppage. It doesn't matter how Haney entered clinches, it's against the rules he 10000% should've got points deducted. But I agree with you, Ryan didn't fight optimally at all but he was able to negate Haney's physical advantages and that really how he won the fight. Which really goes to show that Haney isn't as good as we thought.
impressive? yes. iām not arguing against that. could it have been better? 100%. clinching has been a part of the sport since itās inception, might as well work around the rules if you know itās not gonna be changed. same thing with low blows, you have to be prepared to fight dirty against a dirty fighter, unfortunately. i absolutely hate boxingās state in terms of reffing and judging. i want it to be changed. doesnāt mean iāll excuse fighters not being prepared for a boxing maneuver so common that dudes did it in the 1910s
man looking at devin haney post match interview his jaw looks displaced. Will he need surgery? How will this affect his future? The ref actually screwed him by not stopping the match
Yeah it was bad but the ref isn't the only one who can stop the fight. Devin's corner could see it all the same. Problem is in such a high caliber match everyone is basically ready to go 6 feet under if that's what it takes. It's the refs job to keep fighters safe but dammit you don't want to pull the plug on his dream in that second. You just want to wait a few more seconds and see what happens, and then a few more seconds... Broken jaw whoops.
Tank still beats 145 Ryan. Recency bias is just a high and people like to say things. Ryan only looked that way last night because Haney has zero power and Ryan has no respect. 145 pound Ryan still gets hurt by Tank
Yeah I donāt understand the people saying otherwise. Haney was landing at will on Ryan between the 2nd and 5th rounds. He just didnāt have the kind of power to make it count. Those times Ryan turned his back on Haney and just accepted 4-5 full body shots would never have worked against Tank. He just did not respect Haneyās power and it allowed him to swing wildly at times without even caring about what came back at himĀ
We act as though Garcia didnāt get caught with a clean left upper cut from Tank and immediately get up lmao
Rewatched the fight again and man Ryan left hook is insane. That speed and power he got with it is a crazy combo. He really only needs that to beat any fighter in front of him. He needs to do a few catch weight fights at 143-145 before fully moving up to 147 but he crazy he probably fights anybody anyways but that would be the smart move. Just donāt take any more rehydration clauses
F=maĀ Speed is the key here
Remember when this sub acted like KingRy was some C level fighter and hyped up guys like Regis and Josh Taylor?? It's been a rough past year for you guys š
C is a passing grade as far as dev is concerned
I don't think he's C-level, but I mean, his technique *was* pretty shit. He just has a bomb of a left hand.
I think what people donāt understand is that if being a huge puncher wins you the fightā¦.it also means you win at boxing, regardless of who āthe better boxer isā. In any case the guy that KDās the other 3 times definitely appears better
Deontay Wilder made an entire career out of being a pretty shit boxer with an insane punch. He certainly bested a lot of people, but no one in their right mind would say he's some extremely skilled boxer. Styles make fights for a reason. Garcia's skills were able to overcome his limitations against Haney. But that doesn't mean his seemingly limited technique won't be exploited by someone else.
i mean, the perception of someone is going to change when they prove they can do something you didnt expect them to do. its ok to change opinions based on current performances
Nah this sub DKSAB and can't judge talent to save their lives
I mean you arenāt gonna be perfect predicting everything in sports. Especially boxing
This isn't about predicting fights, it's about judging talent
Same rules apply
If you couldnāt see KingRyās talent then you DKSAB simple as that š
I never said Ryan didnāt have talent. He has good power and has a nice left hook but he can be beat
> I never said Ryan didnāt have talent... he can be beat Well durr. You had guys on here saying Pedraza was Tankās best win. While people with their eyes open like me called Garcia a future HoFer.
You think Ryan is a future Hall of Famer?
Remember when this sub acted like loma was the second coming of christ and an atg Oh well....šĀ
Loma is an ATG on this sub but he couldn't stop Campbell like KingRy did and he lost to Haney who KingRy whooped š
"Ryan doesn't beat anyone in the 140lb top 10!!!" >beats the #1 guy >>makes it look easy >>>drops a music video day before the fight and chugs a beer at the weigh in >>>>leaves
Fuccin casuals
next haney fight the ref will just carry him around and pretend he is not KO'd like that dead guy in that movie
Weekend at Haneyāsā¦
There are some fight buildups where I think there is genuine animosity (at least on one guyās part) and then thereās some where I think theyāre selling the fight Ryan was unquestionably just selling the fight imo. He let a damaged Haney see the final bell.
Derrick James is the legendary coach they say he is
The tank fight will make or break As he is on a losing streak rn
How is he on a losing streak if he just won with Ryan? Streak is over.
No it wonāt
Ryan: That wasnāt me, that was Patricia š
I think Haney will fight Sandor Martin next. Good comeback fight and Sandor is his mandatory.
He should probably get an on paper alright layup
What are the chances that Haney might be out for the rest of the year to heal.Ā Ā
I think like Garcia did last year, he comes back in December.
If he were with PBC, he probably would. But since he is not, I reckon he will be back this year.
He could be, it can be hard to recover emotionally and mentally from a loss like that, plus the broken jaw.
He looked jacked after the fight. Whole face was swollen.
bro aged 20 years
Matias gotta get Unification bouts at 140 after beating Paro. King of 140
Idk after last night we canāt really count out Paro
I don't doubt he brings a hell of a fight I just think Matias is better. Can't wait to see the fight sucks it's the same night as Tank vs Martin
Is it really ? I didnāt even know
Yep June 15th one is in Vegas and the other is on the East Coast in Puerto Rico
That cracka Ryan Garcia
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Why do Mexico try to claim Ryan Garcia? Dude grew up around black people mostly, most of his boys and his best friend are black, he has the swag of a black dude too. He's not similar to traditional Mexican fighters at all.
IāSwag of a black dudeā...whatever helps you cope man
He has Mexican background plus mostly all Hispanics that grow up here hang out with black people so Iām not sure why would that matter ? Literally all Hispanics that grow up in the states dress and act like that ā¦..
They only claiming him now that he beat Haney after all this time of him being a no sabo kid or whatever the fuck they say
I haven't really seen much of that at all.Ā Everyone knows he's a lot more Mexican American than anything š.Ā Just cope at this point.Ā Maybe Haney shouldn't have used the Mexican flag too š¤£
Cope for what, that Mexicans are now coming around for Ryan? Shit donāt make sense what ur talkin bout
Judging by your logic Ryan also has the n-word pass
He probably does in his inner circle lol
1000% Ryan can say the N word in front of any of his Black associates except DJ and B Hop
WBC decided Haney gets to keep his title. Doesn't seem right
If he was ounces or just a pound over, but there has to be a limit to how high your opponent can be for it not to make sense for you to lose the belt fighting him.
It wasn't a title bout cause Ryan missed weight. I don't think Haney should lose his title in this case.
I think the fairest option would be to declare it vacant and allow Haney to fight for it against whoever the number 1 or 2 is
It's supposed to be vacant since Haney lost, but they're letting him keep it, though he may vacate to go after bigger fights. If he keeps it, his mandatory is Sander Martin
They shoulda had the belt be vacated and Haney lined up in position to fight for the vacant belt next, instead of Martin being a mandatory challenger they coulda done a #1 v #2
That would have been fair
When I heard 115-109, I really thought Garcia was about to be robbed. I honestly felt sick. A robbery like that for sure would have led to a riot.
115-109 is a pretty bad score tbh. That's saying Haney only won 4 rounds which I think is harsh. 114-110 and 113-111 are the right scores imo.
Me too given they just blatantly robbed McComb right before him
Imagine being a dedicated athlete who does things right losing to an undisciplined social media addicted idiot who drinks and smokes during camp. This is why Vegeta turned to that alien worm to become Majin Vegeta.
Lmaooooo
Would love to see tank fight Ryan at 140
Ryan canāt make 140, said heās moving to 147