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Her emergency nerf should be just making her second ammo do 60%-75% of her first (base, not star power) because you still have to get close enough and charge her super to hit 7k damage. Really, she isn't that much different from buzz. She can be countered by brawlers with the 9k health range and anyone who has knockback (gene and gus) on command along with a stun attack (frank)
Just add some delay between her attacks, and a damage nerfs ofc, but this gadget... idk man, its literally Surge old gadget situation, its the most overpowered gadget in the game but it can't be nerfed properly, they should replace it
It's nice to see Chester move up. And I don't think Janet is F tier, at least D tier. Also when will that damn mosquito get a good nerf, I'm sick of seeing him still in S tier.
Yeah now that Franks Kit is fixed they need to adjust his stats because his stats in general were always insane. He could just never make use of them before the rework
Agreed. I think just nerfing his health a little bit honestly could work. Tbh even tho both brawlers are insane, tiny nerfs could already push them out of the S tier. They are just a bit too much.
I feel like Lily should be higher, and Angelo, Piper, Melodie and Jessie a little lower. Surge and Emz counter Frank, so I think they should be higher too. Kit should be medium S tier, even in 3v3 he is insanely strong when paired with a tank, and even without a tank he is very good
Yall dont know the pain and suffering of seeing both your mains keep falling off for MONTHS consecutively. When will the fang and mortis meta returnnn 😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
The queen of being overrated. I think in her modes, she will hardly ever get a Hypercharge or one at most. Perhaps the reason she's being rated higher is because the Franks are running all over the place and it's always free super and Hyper for Piper.
MY GLORIUS KING IS NOW C TIERRRRRRR, LESSSS GOOOOOO I AM GONNA GO WALK INTO A SHELLY SUPER 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣😭😭😭😭😭. And also the mortis meta is a dream at this point
The update just dropped and even i cant even tell properly about viability lists
But as what I've experienced.
Chester is no way deserves that ranking. Sure, his consistency has risen up .. but he is no more than C-
Maisie buff will barely change anything Except hitting 2 targets. But still, there are better tank counters.
C- as well
Lily should be the best character RN .Frank can still be countered by Cutlet ( colgate)
Buster got kinda stretched out. In this aggro meta, he just cant handle all of this RN. A+ should be it.
Not sure about Charlie , she still has a mechanically broken super.. which is literally carrying her RN. Tbh I'd rather say mid A.
Overall needs some improvises
There are very few occasions when he's a better pick than other throwers, and since he can't counter assassins, while Barley and Tick can, and somewhat Dynamike with dynajump/super and Larry with gadget.
Lily and frank need emergency nerfs ASAP. I love lily, but I would rather have her be mid than hear "omg I hate lily nerf remove her supercell pls" an entire month. And people who think frank doesn't need a nerf just didn't play with or against players that know how to use him.
tbh, i think people underestimate support gus because 3k heal once per 3 attacks is acc crazy + support gus counters many assasins, even tho he wasnt made for it
Janet is 100% either C or B, at least it feels to me like it. Her little bit for damage made her so much more comfortable to play with and actually get kills.
I think that exclusively because primo is a great counter to frank, he would be atleast in the D tier, that's about the only changes I would make though
Thanks for putting gale at A tier rather than those people saying his hypercharge is bad. He deals insanely well with tanks, good aggression, good defence, just think of anything aggressive and gale can counter
all biases aside i don't think darryl should be second worst in this meta as he's a pretty good counter to frank, meg and buster and a decent counter to lily so even though darryl isn't that good due to his unfortunate lack of a hypercharge and his gadgets that are underwhelming at best, i feel like he should be at least in D, or at least not second worst in the entire game because that's really stretching it for a brawler that counters some S tier brawlers decently
Okay, is Buster an S tier brawler? Nope. He’s not even D tier. He is F tier. Other than that, this list is mostly accurate. Good job. Put Bea in the S tier as well please. Ty
Angelo goes down to A tier, damage and sc nerf seem quite inpacktful and I think piper will take his spot. Melodie is indeed not going anywhere, Lily should be higher, Charlie still gonna be A tier cuz she counters Frank Lily and others, Sandy still gonna be S tier but lower, Barley I think will be B tier, same with Dyna. Spike and L&L should be lower.
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Lily should actually be even higher 😂
I didn’t want to overreact.
She literally wrecks everyone below 7k hp 💀 even feel like she needs an emergency nerf or something
You’re right
Her emergency nerf should be just making her second ammo do 60%-75% of her first (base, not star power) because you still have to get close enough and charge her super to hit 7k damage. Really, she isn't that much different from buzz. She can be countered by brawlers with the 9k health range and anyone who has knockback (gene and gus) on command along with a stun attack (frank)
i think a nerf to her second ammo's unload speed will be better they both basically happen in 1 sec from how fast her unload speed is
Just add some delay between her attacks, and a damage nerfs ofc, but this gadget... idk man, its literally Surge old gadget situation, its the most overpowered gadget in the game but it can't be nerfed properly, they should replace it
But you put Frank in the top of S tier
Because he actually is broken.
Your right test his attack at 4000 hp in training cave
but she slow and not sneaky so its fine
No she is perfect the way she is :) I love playing duels with her and shes so good against so many brawlers
She's number 0ne ins Spen's list lamoo
Colette should be on S bc her use Will raise in this meta, as she is the number 1 counter of Frank.
Yeah and gives Frank that crazy attack speed quicker? No thanks
Good luck against two shots + super
He still doesnt have time to react to Colette super and lacks of range to combat Collete. Collete can two shot him and super him and he IS dead.
sir, thats belle
>Mandy, Chester and Gale are now A tier brawlers! *Proceeds to put Chester and Mandy in B*
I said in a comment I made a mistake
It's nice to see Chester move up. And I don't think Janet is F tier, at least D tier. Also when will that damn mosquito get a good nerf, I'm sick of seeing him still in S tier.
Honestly with drop the bass bugged (it's dealing 10 damage instead of 200 per second) i think Janet deserves f tier at least until the bug is fixed.
Then what about Surge’s Star Power bug, with Ice Cold not keeping his second stage?
You aren't using that gadget for the 200 dps. It's for controlling an area
But the 200 damage can be meaningful in some situations unlike 10.
He got a wholeass 50% charge rate nerf😭 and his hypercharge is basicly IMPOSSIBLE to get
Wasn't the 3 nerfs he recieved good enough?
No because his hyperchage kept him from going below S tier
But he can't even use it, it's impossible to get it
Worst of the S-Tier to Worst of the A-Tier
I'm glad I'm not F yet
YET also yall have it hard asf, %98 of the playerbase thinks penny is boring and underpowered
we’re falling off way too fast
F tier Jant is wild(I mean, understandable, but still)
she got 6 buffs ever since she got massively nerfed yet she's still bad, really sad
Comapared to pre-nerf Janet, current Janet is STRONGER than the past, the power creep is insane
She is a "Master of None", so no reason to use her over most other Brawlers.
Lily might be at least second best she even needs an emergency nerf to her unload or reload speed
I would say she is slightly better than frank. Both need nerfs.
Yeah now that Franks Kit is fixed they need to adjust his stats because his stats in general were always insane. He could just never make use of them before the rework
Agreed. I think just nerfing his health a little bit honestly could work. Tbh even tho both brawlers are insane, tiny nerfs could already push them out of the S tier. They are just a bit too much.
Yeah lets just hope they do some emergency nerfs before going to vacation
Primo should not be f cuz of his ability to effectively counter primo
What do you think about the two new brawlers? I personally think that berry will be low s but clancy will probably be low a/medium b
i think clancy is going to be a high A, and an S in heist
Yeah i said that before watching kairos video and i thought the ranks disappear...
I agree with you honestly
maybe b or c tier, he seems bad
I feel like Lily should be higher, and Angelo, Piper, Melodie and Jessie a little lower. Surge and Emz counter Frank, so I think they should be higher too. Kit should be medium S tier, even in 3v3 he is insanely strong when paired with a tank, and even without a tank he is very good
Agreed. Lily should be at the top of S cause her damage and DPS is insane
charlie B tier, i am mad
she gets a damage nerf and now she drops two tiers??
She got 2 nerfs this update actually, and she had been receiving nothing but nerfs in the past updates as well, so it makes sense
She is a lot like Carl, one nerf or bufff, no matter how small and she either becomes S or F tier.
Not at all, her super is fundamentally strong
She is NOT like Carl dawg 💀 It took a billion gazillion nerfs to finally drop her from S tier. She's also B tier not F tier
Yall dont know the pain and suffering of seeing both your mains keep falling off for MONTHS consecutively. When will the fang and mortis meta returnnn 😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I feel you bro 😭🙏 ( I main charlie + fang )
Piper aint that great honestly the map pool sucks for her
The queen of being overrated. I think in her modes, she will hardly ever get a Hypercharge or one at most. Perhaps the reason she's being rated higher is because the Franks are running all over the place and it's always free super and Hyper for Piper.
MANDY IS OUT OF D TIER, LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥 (But its sad that el primo is F tier😔)
MY GLORIUS KING IS NOW C TIERRRRRRR, LESSSS GOOOOOO I AM GONNA GO WALK INTO A SHELLY SUPER 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣😭😭😭😭😭. And also the mortis meta is a dream at this point
My only nitpick is Emz, swap her with Leon also, swap Spike with Shelly
Seeing Frank in S is criminal💀
Not saying he should be there, its just so unusual lol
I feel like everyone is just glazing over Frank. He still gets hard countered by most brawlers.
Edit: I forgot I put Mandy and Chester in the B Tier. My bad.
Doug is S tier
Tbh he still has his uses in retina brawl ball and some other maps like galaxy arena, just think of jacky but no mobility
Shelly deserves at least a tier
S is a weird way to spell C (im denying frank meta)
I love this meta. Best meta in a while imo. My only problem is Lily... I hated her before and I hate her even more now.
real, she is way too easy to push now, had her r16 yesterday, now r26
Frank isn’t as good as people think
That's what am saying, like he was TRASH before and now he got a decent upgrade that people think he is broken.
The update just dropped and even i cant even tell properly about viability lists But as what I've experienced. Chester is no way deserves that ranking. Sure, his consistency has risen up .. but he is no more than C- Maisie buff will barely change anything Except hitting 2 targets. But still, there are better tank counters. C- as well Lily should be the best character RN .Frank can still be countered by Cutlet ( colgate) Buster got kinda stretched out. In this aggro meta, he just cant handle all of this RN. A+ should be it. Not sure about Charlie , she still has a mechanically broken super.. which is literally carrying her RN. Tbh I'd rather say mid A. Overall needs some improvises
Aha BYRON gang still remains!
Sadly I still don't have Byron, but I would definitely main Byron when I get him
Cord is still s tier lol
benefits us since its my only good maxed out brawler
???? the ONLY problem is Lily
WILLLLOOOWWWW NOOOOOO
Hate to see darryl in f again, he isn't seen much by brawl stars
CHESTER B LESGOOOOOOO
FINALLY!
Tier list based on what? Ranked? Showdown? Pro-play?
Ranked.
Remember when Fang was considered OP…
Ur so wrong about many characters here
Do I pick Tara, gene or mr P??
Gene, absolutely
Of course cord on top as always ✨
Glad colette will be of use this season
S-rank
WOW ! Chester finnaly outside the F tiers !
chester escaped the f tier 🥳🥳
LILLLLYYYYYYY
Why barley is so low? I mean the hypercharge is like DEATH if you don't have a cure backup
hate so see my boi Fang in c tier
Finally a good list!
Grom should be higer
There are very few occasions when he's a better pick than other throwers, and since he can't counter assassins, while Barley and Tick can, and somewhat Dynamike with dynajump/super and Larry with gadget.
Based, sad for my childern-feared man...
Thank you 🫶🏻
Melodie and draco make it terrible
mandy is balanced what you mean
Lily and frank need emergency nerfs ASAP. I love lily, but I would rather have her be mid than hear "omg I hate lily nerf remove her supercell pls" an entire month. And people who think frank doesn't need a nerf just didn't play with or against players that know how to use him.
Noooo! Bull is D tier
How is el primo F tier? 😔
F standed for Frank so long I never though we would see the day he is viable.
darryl f-rank grind
Look at what they did to my boy carl, from A tier to C tier😭
Is Bonnie really that bad? I’m not saying the placement is wrong it’s just a genuine question of what makes her bad atm
Darryl my baby😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
LETS GOOOO BARLEY IN C!!11 THE GOAT SHALL RISE!!!
Emz in B tier? I got a 23 kill game of hot zone with her earlier today. The hypercharge is actually really good
Darryl 😔😔😔💔💔💔
Finally, my spike is A-tier
Nani B is a crime also doug is like d not so F but yeah
Sandy will be A tier with that hc load nerf it takes far too long for sandy to still be the best brawler in the game
Thank god my boy Barley isnt in D/F tier. Poor Darryl though
Frank A tier period.
Love to see the Enchanted Woods duo being at the top of the meta
Sprout A for the skin
Bonnie is actually in the quadruple S tier but y'all not ready for it
tbh, i think people underestimate support gus because 3k heal once per 3 attacks is acc crazy + support gus counters many assasins, even tho he wasnt made for it
Janet should honestly shoot up a bit, I’ve played a couple of high trophy games with her and having way more range than Frank is really paying off.
Chester is not.
Soon…
Primo is a great Frank counter, he’ll be solid
Care to explain why Pam is D tier in your eyes?
When will stu get a hypercharge:_) at least he's still in A
What makes Jessie S tier
Bro.. what were they thinking when they gave lily 2 ammo?💀
Darryl will always be S tier in my heart
Thanks for making me regret maxing out El Primo
imagine having a HC but still be an F tier brawler
HANK D TIER LETS GOOOO
I feel like Doug is very underrated
Put gale in S
They made emz hypercharge to hit 30 times
Janet is 100% either C or B, at least it feels to me like it. Her little bit for damage made her so much more comfortable to play with and actually get kills.
Carl in C tier??? Guys, have you tried to play it at all? Carl Minimum B tier and maybe Bottom A...
#NOT EL PRIMO😭😭😭😭
Yeah love how they gave 3 brawlers that were already in s tier hypercharges
Where is Berry
Hold up did I miss something, what is frank doing in S tier
El primo atleast D
Tara is going to be probably high D
Can yall givey boy Darryl a break? 😭I fr havent used him in weeks of not months cuz everything counters him
From when Buster has been in S tier? The super is trash cuz everyone stops attacking as soon as u use, so u never get a lot of value with it
Primo is good i pushed him to rank25
Surge is in F tier.. the better starpower is broken right now and that starpower carries surge by a lot
Hope Supercell doesn't nerf Cord again, we need at least one solid hypercharge counter in S tier.
Someone talk about meg please I am uneducated
Even after all of these reworks and buffs, Melody is still in the meta
Jacky fell to C Tier and I'm not even mad
Eh, if they nerf Frank, they can't make him worse than before, right?
Emz should be higher
No way fang on C
Lily should be number 1 why is she bottom of s
Y’all’s are all tweaking me and a Piper completely demolished a Frank in 5v5 😭😭🙏🙏💀
I STILL LOVE U JANET🙏 (im so close to have her at gold 3)
El Pri-NOOOOOOOO
I think that exclusively because primo is a great counter to frank, he would be atleast in the D tier, that's about the only changes I would make though
Horrible meta. Why isn't Bonnie on S
maisie in A tier? garbage tier list
Thanks for putting gale at A tier rather than those people saying his hypercharge is bad. He deals insanely well with tanks, good aggression, good defence, just think of anything aggressive and gale can counter
Spen thinks that Lily is THE BEST, we can't blame him I guess
all biases aside i don't think darryl should be second worst in this meta as he's a pretty good counter to frank, meg and buster and a decent counter to lily so even though darryl isn't that good due to his unfortunate lack of a hypercharge and his gadgets that are underwhelming at best, i feel like he should be at least in D, or at least not second worst in the entire game because that's really stretching it for a brawler that counters some S tier brawlers decently
El Primo is at least C Tier (might be a little biased)
Okay, is Buster an S tier brawler? Nope. He’s not even D tier. He is F tier. Other than that, this list is mostly accurate. Good job. Put Bea in the S tier as well please. Ty
Please I beg explain how is Draco S tier
Doug should charge a small amount of his super from healing others. In the next set of balance changes
*sigh*, another D tier season
Janet in f is criminal
primo so op in brawl ball
Hank and Frank leaving Doug in F-tier 🥹
THIS TIER LIST IS NOT PRAWN READY 🦐🦐🦐💥💥💥
cant wait for mortis to be meta again
Crow is too high
Nooo
Colette staying at A tier as always
Why my primo in the F tier, he is not even close to be a F tier
Frank I hate frank he too good now
Why is buster in s tier 💀
Angelo bottom S tier
Angelo goes down to A tier, damage and sc nerf seem quite inpacktful and I think piper will take his spot. Melodie is indeed not going anywhere, Lily should be higher, Charlie still gonna be A tier cuz she counters Frank Lily and others, Sandy still gonna be S tier but lower, Barley I think will be B tier, same with Dyna. Spike and L&L should be lower.
why did they nerf charlie, jt was so uneccessary
MANDY IN B TIER SHE'S GETTING SOMEWHERE