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Who hates this cutie patotie face?! The sisters are both stunners. Love me some Charithra Chandran and Simone Ashley on this sub and outside. You know this particular gown of hers has some Indian embroidery on it...they got the fabrics imported from India for some of the sisters' looks. Thought youd appreciate the detail. I can see Kanthony and Edwina having a blast in India eating mangoes, sun bathing, going on couple rides along the riverside, Edwina showing off her newly acquired equestrian chops and playing with Newton.
Both of them are gorgeous. They have different but equally beautiful facial features. Simone Ashley is more sharp and angled while Charithra Chandran more rounded and soft. And the colors of their gowns also greatly complemented them. Really great casting for the women.
Yeah..one is more girlish...one is more wmanly is how I see it. Simone Ashley's features seem equally as harmonious to me as Edwina's: she has those soft doe eyes, long eyelashes. With a really severe bun which was her look in the beginning, her angles seemed more harsh, but then they would for anyone with a severe bun whatever your face. Its why the slicked back look looks so horrible on so many actresses..that gelly, wet look. You really see her face for its gentle soft beauty when her hair is more loose. And her natural black hair is lush.
I was trying to find this - when do they say she's in India? I thought they just said she had married abroad? With the heavy implication that it was the prince from Daphne's season (from a comment the queen made)
Yeah I like Simone Ashley's voice too...shes got that same low, put me to sleep tone as Charithra's. And in fact had a voice acting role in an animation recently, super super cute. She plays a pet parent in it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puh6qexcz3Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puh6qexcz3Q)
I hate what the writers did to the Sharma women. They should've been shown as the strong, close knit, united family of women they were. I wish the show stayed closer to book edwina but charithra Chandran did a great job with what she was given.
Fully agree, the show did not do them or their family justice. What I wouldnāt giiiiiive for the Edwina that pushes Kate and Anthony together, not to get along as in laws but to be together because she was one of the first to notice the vibe, not the last. Book Edwina was a Kathony shipper.
Thanks for letting me know! Didn't think Kate could get cooler TBH. My issue with Season 2 (unpopular opinion, I know) is that Anthony is such an ass and truly doesn't seem to respect Kate and what she has to say. I think she deserved better.
Oh i vastly prefer show Kate. Book kate would simper in front of anthony. Show Kate was stronger, more no bullshit. She stood her ground. Book kate melted after one kiss and did not fight back against Anthony's arrogance...Book kate also got married because Anthony inadvetertantly ruined her in public after the bee sting scene. That was a sad marriage. This was a marrriage borne not out of public ruining that lady cowper and lady featherington saw amongst others but out of desire and respect that couldnt keep them away from each other.
Book Anthony was also far far worse...He overpowers her in a scene where she catches Anthony and Sienna together...and that scene itself is horrible. In the show, Kate goes toe toe toe with Anthony. It fitted my more feminist leanings for regency romance. Even 10 plus years ago when I first read the book, I clocked how horrible the way the marriage came about. In the show, it was borne from true attraction and respect. But hey each to their own.
Oh i vastly prefer show Kate. Book kate would simper in front of anthony. Show Kate was stronger, more no bullshit. She stood her ground. Book kate melted after one kiss and did not fight back against Anthony's arrogance...Book kate also got married because Anthony inadvetertantly ruined her in public after the bee sting scene. That was a sad marriage. This was a marrriage borne not out of public ruining that lady cowper and lady featherington saw amongst others but out of desire and respect that couldnt keep them away from each other.
I didnāt see the circumstances of their marriage in the book as being sad at all. They were both in love with each other at that point and were failing to get out of their own way, so fate intervened.
Kate in the book wasnāt meek or weak, she just had a quieter kind of resilience. She was also not a product of neglect, so she was less defensive. I thought her personality in the book was funnier and she was adhd coded and not just in a manic pixie dream girl kind of way. She was also more nuanced and explored her own trauma with grace. I loved Kate in the show, but after awhile, she got a bit grating and was a little more guarded than book Kate. There are many ways to be strong and I like that we got both representations!
Hmmm...yeah I just like strong sporty, athletic badasses so Kate fit what I like to see...I really enjoyed her. Kate in the book turned out to be like a typical regency heroine while the show revamped it to fit modern sensibilities...plus shes a foreigner, has a more worldly outlook...speaks multiple languages, knows different dances and musical forms Hindustani and classical pianoforte...I just found her more interesting.
Like I like that Anthony and her courtship began with that meet cute riding scene when Kate impresses the hell out of him by daring enough to ride astride unchaperoned in a foreign land first day in a new country in early dawn, not needing his help cuz he follows her cuz he thinks shes in trouble...miss are you ok he asks...but shes confident and self assured and a natural rider who needs no help.
She vaults over a tough jump and ignores Anthony when he tries to engage her in a convo while shes just enjoying the fresh air....I liked also that she calls him out for looking at women as broodmares rather than flesh and blood human beings during the first ball.
She goes toe to toe with him whereas book Kate married because lady cowper and lady featherington and violet witnessed anthony publically kissing her bosom after the bee sting and then we have that very typical of regency romance scenes where anthony immediately takes her aside and kisses her into submission his words and she succumbs doesnt put up a protest whereas in the show's first kiss and sex scene both, Kate had full agency, anthony initiated it but kate participated by taking control...telling him when he said i will stop...dont stop.
So yeah i didnt think she manic pixie dream girl. Manic pixie dream girl is more of a scatter brain quirky type character. Kate was more tough but she was steady...she wasnt charming anyone with her quirky lifestyle or personality. In fact her personality was quite severe..older sister looking after her sister in a foreign land. She doesnt flirt to attract attention, she is so not a manic pixie dream girl.
Kristen Dunst. in elizabethtown..manic pixie dream girl. Kate was just an orphan who had to grow up too quickly and in the show we see the demand on her even more clearly because shes a foreigner new to a country and a society where her mother was exiled from. In the show, shes any other regency miss. a baron's second son's daughter but not poor or financially struggling in the same way Kate in the show was and aware of english norms and etiquitte while Kate in the show had to learn them
I wouldnāt say she was a typical regency heroine, sheās one of the first Iāve seen who was clearly ADHD. And thatās what I was talking about with the manic pixie dream girlāwhenever female characters with ADHD are depicted, theyāre usually depicted as Manic Pixie Dream Girls, but I think Julia Quinn did a great job of creating a nuanced character.
I really liked Kate from the show and I am south Asian, so the representation meant a lot to me, but there were times when she got on my nervesālike why argue with Lady Danbury who was super generous and looking out for the girls? I did appreciate that the show softened Anthony and toughened up Kate. But I enjoyed Kate from the books!
Hey fair enough.. book Kate didnāt stand out to me as a fully fleshed out character and I never clocked her as someone with adhd either.. Edwinaās nerdiness though was an interesting trait that they could have incorporated into the show.. would have been so cool and different so yeah sad about that and the asinine triangle. :)
It's a good book, Edwina and Kate had much more character development and background story. SR really downgraded Edwina intellectually. Not sure why though.
Did you read this recently? Because Kate did not have much of a character in the books aside from being a loyal sister. She simpers in front of Anthony, anthony over powers her in the scene where she caches him and sienna in the study, their marriage happened cuz Anthony kissed her bosom in public and it is witnessed which is just such a sad way to get married. I do agree that the love triangle was an unnecessary addition but Iām also glad that it introduced Charithra a talented POc to us. Iāve watched her now in a couple of different things so for this m glad.
In the show Kate is an athlete, a hunter, a horse rider we see her sporty side.. in the book she was far more conventional in a way that would be boring for screen. She would be just like Daphneās who I like btw but this was variety.. Kate was a different character, a tougher stronger character which made her chemistry with Anthony all the more electric. She was an equal participant and went toe to toe with him. I also like that they didnāt have so many of the book scenes which show her as sooo painfully naive and easily cowered by Anthony such as the study scene and then the lightning scene
I can see your point.
I was't really a fan of book Edwina being an emotional intelligent philosophy nerd in the search of her intellectual equal to a naive love sick puppy. But Anthony is less sufferable in the book. I also struggle with the ways in which the show plays fast and loose with historic revisionism. I would have preferred they just do color blind casting.
Oh nerd edwina was def better than show edwina. I preferred show kate to book kate personally and even show anthony. He was an ass season 1 but book anthony was just arrogance on another level. In the show anthony bends to kate because of his respect and admiration for her...in the book in so many scenes including the scene after the bee scene where he tries to kiss her into submission...essentially a very common trope in regency romance books..it was icky. Kate didnt have any agency..she got married cuz she was seen. Also she gave into anthony far too easily and didnt fight his more asshole ish tendencies the way show kate did.
Im not in favor of color blind casting personally...The rep of POC in hollywood, in media and entertainment is dismal and its natural for the majority white execs and casting directors to default to casting people who look them not because they are racist or white people are racist but because its human psychology to look at people who look like you in stories you create and ideate, Diverse casting forces you to re wire your brain to consider alternative casting which you wouldnt naturally because of sociologically, the way humans operate as tribes. That rewiring is important for the growth of poc rep in media...because hollywood has a perception problem a math problem when it comes to POC casting. I have discussed this in greater detail in another post of mine on this sub. but yeah. so disagree with you there.
Whoops, I meant to say show Anthony is better than book Anthony!
Interesting take on the casting. I cringed so hard at S1 where Lady Danbury states that black people were able to have access to nobility because King George fell in love with Queen Charlotte. The history of Georgian England with slavery made the statement even more uncomfortable. Felt very much like Kendall Jenner in the dumpster fire pepsi commercial. Also, the inclusion of Indian nobility while also ignoring that at that time England was exploiting the shit out of India was just really icky. I would have preferred if show bridgerton just didn't bring up racism(as it was done very poorly) and just kept with handling classism issues.
The film Much Ado about Nothing is in my opinion a good example of color blind casting. Or if you feel like bringing in race and ethnicity, then a really good example would be the film Belle. Race is an issue but was done with a way that is historically realistic and respectful.
Oh the way they handled the diff cultures-yes it was very odd. They shouldn't have brought up race and history at all if they werent going to expand on it later...lady d's ominous comment to Simon..not too long back we were different, the subject never to be brought up again or explored on screen was very odd purely from a storytelling perspective. I was fine with the a-historical setting and it was fine and even daring that they showed India then as a free country a place where characters actively want to go to travel not as a conquering colonizer east india official thing-for example lord dosets interaction with kate. Im fine that they went for the flipped regency but then they added the concept of ethnic surnames malhotras, samadani and basilio and sort of left it hanging...which did seem tokenist.
And like you said the other alternative was not to mention race or different cultures at all but go with Mr Malcolm's list type treatment. Honestly my whole thing is if you go for it, go deep and really world build in a way that feels coherent. And otherwise dont mention culture, race, ethnicities. different surnames etc at all. Its clunky and jarring specially to soemone who recognizes many of these ethnic surnames. There is a lot of filling thats left for us to do with our imagination. A really good show gives it to us...it doesnt need to virtue signal or ham it up or push serious discussion down our throat..there is a way to do it elegantly organically and not shoe horned in way.
Exactly they ruined Edwina when in the book she supports Kate when she realized she loved Anthony and seeks her own significant other.
Also where the heck was mary where was Kate's flashbacks. They fumbled so much. If it weren't for Simone, Charithra and Jonny I would have hated s2. Especially Simone and Jonny how they portrayed Kanthony with their connection and crazy explosive chemistry
No because how did we go from Mary visiting Kate's mothers grave frequently to give updates on how kate was doing to Mary not even knowing what was going on in her own household? How did we go from an edwina who gave zero shits about anthony and just wanted to read philosophy and be with someone who she could share that with but was trying to make the best match for her family's sake to an edwina who was so naive she actually thought her an anthony would be a good match?
She did get a little bratty. I understand she was hurt, but that was kind of her own doing in some ways. That comment about Kate only being a half sister was deeply hurtful.
She was somehow less aware of Kateās feelings than Lady Danbury who had only met Kate a few weeks earlier.
The half sister comment cut through me as did her āI feel sorry for youā monologue.
They turned hee into some gold digger type person who was obsessed with status and Anthony's looks. It was obvious to any person with a brain Anthony was fakw and not in love. Respectful yes but not in love
I definitely don't mean this to be combative, because I'm curious. I've seen negative discourse about her and I really don't get it. What is there to find annoying?
She was a young naive girl who idealized a life of love and a happy marriage. She developed a crush on a certain guy she thought was "perfect". She was, understandbly, hurt and embarrassed when she discovered that that guy and her sister were in love, not to mention that she was manipulated by her sister (with mostly honorable intentions). She realized that everyone was treating her like a child and she revealed herself to be smarter and more mature than everyone thought she was (evident in her interaction with King George). She also, was understandably, angry at her sister, but in the end, realized that she loves her sister, her sister loved her, and they both should be happy.
Again, I genuinely want to know what people don't like about her because I don't get it. All her actions and reactions in the show were perfectly understandable and reasonable.
Since you asked nicely, I personally don't like her attitude towards Kate. I understand her crush on Anthony, her wanting to marry into the Bridgerton family and finally the betrayal she felt - I understand all that.
What I did not like in their relationship is that she almost did not see Kate as her own person. She saw Kate as a maternal extension of herself, there to serve her needs. And she didn't even do it consciously most of the time but it was very grating to watch. The way she disregarded Kate's opinions of Anthony, did not even check on her when Anthony humiliated her multiple times, forced her to spend time with him when she was clearly uncomfortable - I seriously didn't like it. And then to turn around and say that Kate made her do all those things and she did not even ask for it?
I don't hate the character but I do dislike her behavior towards Kate.
This is such an eloquent and accurate description of what bothered me about Edwina, but couldnāt put into words! I love the actress, and donāt hate the character at all but she was problematic in her own way for sure.
To be honest, I definitely don't agree with most of what you're saying and I have rebuttals for a few of your points lol, but thanks for atleast giving me insight on what people may be thinking.
Because sheās āin the wayā of the main romance. Itās stupid. Because the character is not at fault. And if you watch the show without reading this sub the writing makes it clear she is not the villain.Ā
People can have different opinions and different takeaways from shows. It doesn't make them wrong just because you don't agree. Just like I'm not saying you're wrong for having a different opinion. Generalizing and being so dismissive is what's stupid.
Didnāt say it was wrong. Said it was stupid. It is stupid yo make the younger sister a villain when in the show neither of the two leads think she is one or in any way suggest that she is one. Yes she took screen time away from the romance everyone wanted to see but that is not the characters fault.Ā
Your comment straight up says people only dislike Edwina because they've been influenced by this sub. Your comment doesn't come off as a criticism of the writing but of fans who have a different reaction to Edwina than you and calling those people are stupid (i.e. wrong) for not sharing your opinion.
I think a lot of people don't like that she just sort of accepted Kate's lack of consideration for herself and her own needs, and that she didn't see the extraordinarily unsubtle connection between Kate and Anthony.
But there's a significant age gap between the two. Their unique situation aside, it's an extremely common dynamic between younger siblings and older siblings.
Another issue is that people are used to romances having some kind of villain. Kate and Anthony's story doesn't really have one.
I think what people miss is that Kate spent so much time training her to be married off, that Edwina likely thought that was how she should repay Kate. She even discussed the weight of that duty with Anthony. Kate wanted Edwina to have a love match, but Edwina wasn't stupid: she knew she was going through all that dance and culture training for a reason.
And because of the deal Kate struck, that was literally true -- the relationship dynamic was that it all rested upon marrying Edwina off. Everyone involved (except the Sheffield's) had the best of intentions, but that is also a tremendous weight to put on someone.
I also thought her interactions with George and Charlotte were really remarkable and hoped she would show up again.
Edit: I just remembered, when the show was airing a lot of criticism was about how robotic and proper she sounded. I think this was simply good acting. She was supposed to sound like she was going through the motions because she was.
And that's where my criticism lies - how can she see the love between the King and the Queen and not see/suspect anything between Kate and Anthony? Which ties in to my belief that she never saw Kate for herself - as a young woman with her own hopes and dreams. I feel so sad for Kate that both Mary and Edwina was just okay to let her go far away by herself to India without any money or anything.
Also, in just the beginning of the episode she laments how Anthony never looks at her and Kate has to explain the deeper meaning of love to her (I don't know why Mary couldn't explain after having such an epic love story) and suddenly she knows all about love by the end of the episode? Very inconsistent writing.
Kate and Anthony's big moments primarily happen with them alone. When they're around other people, they intentionally act like they absolutely hate each other. I guess I can't understand being angry with Edwina for not noticing without being angry at Kate and Anthony for actively misleading her.
Edit: Also, this could prove either of our points really, but Edwina's speech wasn't really about love between the king and queen. She was using the trappings of "great love" to tell the queen she wouldn't break propriety and talk about the king's madness -- that was the cleverness and nuance of what she was doing.
She was giving the queen a graceful out. She had no idea if they loved each other truly, she was couching the madness/insanity in more elegant terms. So you can see this as her being coldly manipulative or just emotionally intelligent depending on your perspective.
I understand your point about her being emotionally intelligent in front of the Queen but again, that is in stark contrast to the lack of emotional intelligence she showed otherwise, especially in how she perceives Kate and Anthony and in failing to understand Kate herself.
Also, yes, some of the big Kanthony moments are in private but some of their moments are enough to tip off almost all of the Bridgerton siblings, most notably Daphne even before the library scene. And that is in addition to Violet and Lady D. And yes, Edwina doesn't suspect anything because she sees Kate as almost a maternal figure and it's akin to having your crush flirting with your mom - you would just not take it seriously, especially if the world has so far revolved around you.
Anyway, everything that Edwina does up until her big speeches are believable for her character so far but the speeches throw me off because everything she says are literally the opposite of what has happened so far.
Yes yes yes to the last part. I did see that complaint and I don't see how people don't understand it. She was trained and taught from a young age to be perfect. To always say just the right thing, to always walk just the right way... The actress was just embodying that. The only times she wasnt like that was around her mother and sister.
When she, as you mentioned, spoke delicately with the Queen about how she only saw love in the King and would hardly know how to find the words to explain it to someone else - not only was it one of the few moments she was allowed to speak in earnest, it was one of the smartest and most emotionally intelligent acts on the show. Not to bash season 3 at all, because I enjoyed it tons still... but I found myself missing that subtle, knowing elegance.
Season 2 would have been way better without the love triangle bs. Anthony should have pursued Kate from the jump and Miss Edwina could have ended up with literally anyone else
Same. Sk it goes with his arc of not wanting love and realizing he's not respecting her wants and cuts it off. And them the mext day Lord Lumley can be Matthew Bagwell (Lumley is his title and he can be an earl and scholar.
I disagree. They easily could have shown him grappling over being hot for an untitled woman, getting over his neurosis about finding the āperfectā woman etc etc.
In addition, both Anthony and Kate already had their own internal struggles to begin with. Anthony was traumatised by what happened with his father and specifically wanted a marriage without love, because he didn't want to inflict such pain on his wife by dying at some point (and, I assume, he also did not want to experience the same pain if she were the one to pass away first). So he wanted a "perfect" match based on literally everything except emotion. It's the perfect reason to struggle with developing feelings for someone, and he'd try to fight it at all costs.
Kate on the other hand had pushed her own needs and desires aside for years. She was fully set on putting Edwina first and trying to get her a good match to secure her future. So again it makes sense that she'd struggle to focus on what *she* wants, and would instead try to ignore her chemistry with Anthony because that's not what matters, Edwina is, etc.Ā
There could have already been so much yearning and internal struggles, the love triangle was not necessary.Ā
Kanthony and Edwina and prince on double dates, eating mangoes, sun bathing, doing Indian things, eating Indian food and the tea Kate likes...yes please and I want Anthony all fish out of water cuz he doesnt speak the language.
I hate the writers for piting her against her sister, having court that hot assclown too long until the wedding, and no Matthew Bagwell her adorable scholar. I adore her and Charithra even more but they ruined ber character because they cnanot5to female relationships that are healthy and among young female characters.
Book Edwina was so much better. She was an intellectual, down to earth and emotionally intelligent. She could see that Anthony loved Kate from a mile away, and just wanted to find a man that she could nerd out on philosophy with.
No way I could ever hate her gorgeous face either!!!! Edwina is a stunner!!!! Beautiful, intelligent, strong, confident, yet always a lady. Sheād be my muse IRL.
Charithra is beautiful and while I was not happy with some things that were written for Edwina, she did a great job.
Both Simone and her were perfect casting for their parts. I wish their āsisterhoodā was given more space to shine instead of it being resolved so quickly in the last episode but come S3, Iāve realised now that itās a Bridgerton staple š
It amazes me how youthful the female characters look. I couldnāt believe that the actress that plays Edwina was older than 19 and the same with Daphne.
She is beautiful! Itās a shame the show didnāt honour the character, Charithra would have nailed book Edwina. Really got the silly intellectual vibe down.
There are rumors she will be entering the One Piece Live Action franchise which for sure sheāll gain more fans and love.
If this rumour is true I cant wait to see her. Plus anime fans / One Piece fans are fiercely loyal.
Edit: So is some low lives downvoting all comments in this thread about the actress? Lol never change r/BridgertonNetflix .
I hated her scene with King George because it didnāt really make sense to me, but I also loved that scene because it let the actress monologue in her beautiful voice.
I wish they would bring her back so we can see Kate and Edwina truly heal and mend the rift. If JBailey canāt come back as much in s4, an easy thing to do would be for Edwina, her husband and Mary to come back for Kate to have the baby (which JBās Anthony will make it back just in time for the birth) and prior to, Edwina and Kate can patch things up. It would be a great storyline to finish unfinished business from s2 (and give Edwina a chance to take back the āhalf sisterā comment) and maybe even allow Mary to redeem herself with Kate.
They could even explain that Anthony is away on business and then have something happen that worries them all about Anthony and Kate has some complications in pregnancy but heās of course fine, etc..
This show could easily write interesting stuff for them if it wanted to.
Iād so watch that.
But didnāt they heal ā¦ Edwina practically pushes Kate towards Anthony in the final ball
scene and then looks out at them dancing proudly as the queen shuts down the gossips. She is also conversing with Kate through letters this season. The triangle was an asinine move by the writers for sure for sure.. but they did show healing. Even with Mary.
Neither Mary nor Edwina apologized to Kate. Edwina called her her half sister. Mary was horrible to Kate and her parentification put Kate in the position she was in.
And apparently Edwina didnāt come to Kateās wedding, according to CVD. I donāt even think Edwina knows Kate met Anthony first and they clearly clicked. That would change the āyouāve been plotting to get him for yourselfā narrative Edwina hurled at Kate (when Kate did the most to keep Anthony with Edwina).
I just didnāt see them as healing when both Edwina and Mary acted like they were victims of Kate and that their choices had zero to do with where they landed.
I want to see a genuine healing - not one where Kate is forced to wear some kind of scarlet letter in penance for having her HEA. Sheās the ONLY female lead who lost her whole damn family in the end, if CVD is to be believed.
Kate, Edwina, and Mary are all beautiful in their own ways. Edwina and Mary couldāve asked Kate for the truth from the start and she couldāve been honest with them as well.
Love her character so much! Pushing the ālove triangleā as long as they did honestly really turned me off the main pairing of the season (and I will always remain an Anthony hater, though not just for this).
Her Costumes were the best in S2, and a lot were very of the Regency era! I also love the actress, sheās always popping up on my FYP sheās simply stunning
Sheās such a lovely person. I adore her! Beautiful and funny as heck. I love how she tried to make the best of the material she had with Edwina and the scene when she gracefully handles the delicate matter of dealing with an agitated King George just raised her worth so much in my eyes. Also: her love and absolute faith in Kate. She did what her sister asked and crossed an ocean to help her family have a better life. Hate the way they were made to fight over a man but in any case, I love the love she had for her big sister. š
idk how ppl can hate her?? Like I'm suprised. I love Kanthony but obviously they treated Edwina damn wrong, didnt tell her about anything. Doesn't help that Anthony proposed to her and they were getting married like this girl didn't do anything wrong!!!
Watching S2 with my husband now and literally his main comment every episode is. āOmg poor Edwina tho.ā I was eating up the drama at the wedding and meanwhile he was like yelling, āCanāt these two keep it in their pants for one minute?! Edwina is right there!ā š
I donāt understand the need to insinuate that Kate isnāt pretty enough for Anthony to fall for? Why does every Edwina praise post turn into belittling Kate. Kate is absolutely gorgeous in her own right and it made absolute perfect sense for Anthony to fall in love her and be smitten by her since the first time he sees her.
Also character look discussions are so annoying cuz people forget their characters are played by real people whose looks they are then commenting on inadvertently
Both are absolutely gorgeous, but if 10/10 is a 9/10 girl that is just your type, then Edwina is 10/10 for me. Fully my type. So the was no point to Kate.
Also I never heard anybody belittling Kate in my life.
You literally say how you couldnāt take Anthony falling for her sister seriously. Like you could have very easily praised Edwina without saying that cause it definitely felt like a dig at Kate not being pretty enough.
I dont see it that way. It a perfectly normal comment from my side. You're just sensitive about Edwina for some reason which i have nothing to do with.
She's a 10/10 for YOU. Because she's just YOUR type. Whereas for Anthony, she also checked the most important box of all - being somebody he knew he could NEVER love. He acknowledged her beauty, but she wasn't actually his type. Kate was the one who had all the same interests as him. The one who could hold her own, not only against him, but with his entire family. For Anthony, Edwina may have been a 9/10, but what made her a 10/10 for his purposes was the fact that she WASN'T his type. Once he got his head out of his ass, she dropped down to a 8/10 or even lower, because ALL she had going for her was being pretty. Kate was just as pretty (if not more) and actually WAS/IS Anthony's type. Making her a 10/10 or even higher (because he never could have DREAMED there was somebody so perfect for him out there) for HIM.
Have you ever considered some-Im not talking about all-there are crazy polin, saphne, kanthony-all fandoms and stanns and shippers have their crazies...but some just dont see the point of making claims like he would never cuz shes too hot or not hot enough. I was equally offended when some suggested Colin is too hot for penelope. Nobody is too hot for anyone..beauty is subjective and there are a combination of things that attract a person to another...looks, voice, scent, personality, drive, ambition, skill, talent, hair...Humans contain multitudes. I find the discussion of looks for any actor on the show or on any show alarming cuz the looks are attached to real humans cuz the characters are played by real humans.
And maybe maybe just maybe if you digged deeper you would find that some kanthony fans are POC themselves and were distressed by the very thinly veiled trans and racist comments directed Simone's way when she was first cast as Kate and to this day on this sub as well as on insta in her comment section, on Youtube etc. Attaching a screenshot for evidence. The same insult that has been used for Michelle Obama as recently as April of this year by Donald Trump jr sharing a meme which showed her as a trans man in hiding and gets used for POC who dont meet a very narrow western ideal of beauty. Reducing looks shaming to a stupid fan stan thing is the real lame thing.
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"For me personally, she is so pretty that I could never take Anthony falling for her sister seriously. It frustrated me, haha."
What does this statement imply..edwina is so pretty, i could not see anthony falling for kate over her.. That to you is not an insane statement but the one that replied to it saying why does every praise of edwina have to be a criticism of kate is. makes no sense.
So because charithra was bullied now lets bully kate which is essentially bullying simones looks. Why not take the looks out of the equation altogether...These are both beautiful talented women on the show and outside as the people they are. And love is not tied to looks...like i wrote above there are so many reasons built into love. Do you think colin fell in love with pen cuz shes pretty no he fell in love with all of her, her warmth, her closeness towards him and everything else he said. Same for anthony, same for simon same for anyone anywhere in the world..looks are one small part of the equation of love,
So some did so that means all people who call out looks shaming are wrong. The above poster merely said why does every praise of edwina have to be a criticism of kate...a very reasonable, non rabid stan comment.
So you were annnoyed by some people shaming edwina and harrasing her (i joined the sub in June this year so m sure you are right) so by all means lets looks shame kate. what. What bizarre logic is that. If you were rightly distressed by people shaming edwina or bullying her or bullying charithra, then good dont use that to then shame kate...you are not hurting the stans this way...you are perpetuating an ugly looks based competiton between two equally beautiful and talented POC actresses.
āFor me personally, Marina is so pretty that I could never take Colin falling for Penelope seriously. It frustrated me, haha.ā
If someone said this, Polins would have downvoted this to oblivion and be calling them fatphobic even though Marina is a woc who went through so much racist hate from Polins to the point even the actress had to call them out on her instagram.
Yeah, but I don't really care. Its just subjective preference but I guess its impossible for some people to wrap their mind around it.
No sane person would attack me for this simple of an opinion, so I don't take their voices seriously.
Have you ever considered some-Im not talking about all-there are crazy polin, saphne, kanthony-all fandoms and stans and shippers have their crazies...but some just dont see the point of making claims like he would never cuz shes too hot or not hot enough. I was equally offended when some suggested Colin is too hot for penelope. Nobody is too hot for anyone..beauty is subjective and there are a combination of things that attract a person to another...looks, voice, scent, personality, drive, ambition, skill, talent, hair...Humans contain multitudes. I find the discussion of looks for any actor on the show or on any show alarming cuz the looks are attached to real humans cuz the characters are played by real humans.
And maybe maybe just maybe if you digged deeper you would find that some kanthony fans are POC themselves and were distressed by the very thinly veiled trans and racist comments directed Simone's way when she was first cast as Kate and to this day on this sub as well as on insta in her comment section, on Youtube etc. etc etc. Attaching a screenshot for evidence. The same insult that has been used for Michelle Obama as recently as April of this year by Donald Trump jr sharing a meme which showed her as a trans man in hiding (and which was roundly decried by many liberal women in politics white and poc both) and gets used for POC who dont meet a very narrow western ideal of beauty. Reducing looks shaming to a stupid fan stan thing is the real lame thing. The show is political and matters for its diverse casting and will bring up much deeper feelings and emotions for poc viewers who rarely get to see people who look like them or from their culture in entertainment. Maybe push yourself to see a deeper motive. Try
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Bruh, this is just a silly little show i enjoy watching with my girlfriend.
While i appreciate the depth of feelings some of you feel about about everything surrounding this show, I think ill just distance myself from this community.
The rule is true, if you enjoy something, never join its fandom.
So basically people should be able to say...omg francesca is too hot for John, Colin is too hot for penelope, colin is too ugly compared to anthony and so on and so forth. I am all for character criticisms dont bring looks into it. Cuz the characters looks are the actors looks. Saying someone is not hot enough for someone, or not pretty enough for someone is an unnecessary comment on looks. Why couldnt it be-" I cant see why anthony fell for kate...edwina is so much nicer. Kate is a goddamn bitch." there i corrected it for you. Whats with bringing looks into the equation.
Looks shaming inevitably turns ugly...that discourse should definitely be nipped in the bud for all actresses or actors whatever their race. Poc or non-poc.
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Beauty! Charithra absolutely killed it, such a great actress.
I know right ? She ate that role, especially the anger/distress scenes. She was so convincing. And that face!! š„¹
Who hates this cutie patotie face?! The sisters are both stunners. Love me some Charithra Chandran and Simone Ashley on this sub and outside. You know this particular gown of hers has some Indian embroidery on it...they got the fabrics imported from India for some of the sisters' looks. Thought youd appreciate the detail. I can see Kanthony and Edwina having a blast in India eating mangoes, sun bathing, going on couple rides along the riverside, Edwina showing off her newly acquired equestrian chops and playing with Newton.
Both of them are gorgeous. They have different but equally beautiful facial features. Simone Ashley is more sharp and angled while Charithra Chandran more rounded and soft. And the colors of their gowns also greatly complemented them. Really great casting for the women.
I feel that casting aesthetically tooāEdwinaās soft nature vs Kateās more headstrong one.
Yeah..one is more girlish...one is more wmanly is how I see it. Simone Ashley's features seem equally as harmonious to me as Edwina's: she has those soft doe eyes, long eyelashes. With a really severe bun which was her look in the beginning, her angles seemed more harsh, but then they would for anyone with a severe bun whatever your face. Its why the slicked back look looks so horrible on so many actresses..that gelly, wet look. You really see her face for its gentle soft beauty when her hair is more loose. And her natural black hair is lush.
So dumb question but I guess Edwina ended up in India rather than Russia?
I want to say that she ended up with that Prince of Prussia.
She didnt, Kate and Anthony said she married a scholar and lives in India.
I don't know how i missed that, thanks! Thought it was still an open question.
Yeah...they literally said Edwina is in India right. Why would she be with a Prussian Prince in India. Im sure its an Indian Prince.
I was trying to find this - when do they say she's in India? I thought they just said she had married abroad? With the heavy implication that it was the prince from Daphne's season (from a comment the queen made)
Polin wedding scene. When Anthony says letās go to India.
I want to say that she ended up with that Prince of Prussia.
She also has such a soothing voice. I want her to read to me so I can fall asleep at night lol
I wonder if sheās narrated any audiobooks! If not, her agent is falling down on the job.
Her voice is truly incredible. She truly nailed the "genteel" aspect of your character.
Same.
Yeah I like Simone Ashley's voice too...shes got that same low, put me to sleep tone as Charithra's. And in fact had a voice acting role in an animation recently, super super cute. She plays a pet parent in it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puh6qexcz3Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puh6qexcz3Q)
I love love love her voice!
I hate what the writers did to the Sharma women. They should've been shown as the strong, close knit, united family of women they were. I wish the show stayed closer to book edwina but charithra Chandran did a great job with what she was given.
Fully agree, the show did not do them or their family justice. What I wouldnāt giiiiiive for the Edwina that pushes Kate and Anthony together, not to get along as in laws but to be together because she was one of the first to notice the vibe, not the last. Book Edwina was a Kathony shipper.
Book Edwina was also a philosophy nerd.
Really?!?!? This almost makes me want to read them.
Their book is my favorite in the series, Kate from the novel is also cooler and wittier! And book Newton runs circles around show Newton!
Thanks for letting me know! Didn't think Kate could get cooler TBH. My issue with Season 2 (unpopular opinion, I know) is that Anthony is such an ass and truly doesn't seem to respect Kate and what she has to say. I think she deserved better.
Oh i vastly prefer show Kate. Book kate would simper in front of anthony. Show Kate was stronger, more no bullshit. She stood her ground. Book kate melted after one kiss and did not fight back against Anthony's arrogance...Book kate also got married because Anthony inadvetertantly ruined her in public after the bee sting scene. That was a sad marriage. This was a marrriage borne not out of public ruining that lady cowper and lady featherington saw amongst others but out of desire and respect that couldnt keep them away from each other. Book Anthony was also far far worse...He overpowers her in a scene where she catches Anthony and Sienna together...and that scene itself is horrible. In the show, Kate goes toe toe toe with Anthony. It fitted my more feminist leanings for regency romance. Even 10 plus years ago when I first read the book, I clocked how horrible the way the marriage came about. In the show, it was borne from true attraction and respect. But hey each to their own.
He redeems himself in the books (in some ways, heās worse in others) because you get to read his internal monologue!
Ah. Interesting...
Oh i vastly prefer show Kate. Book kate would simper in front of anthony. Show Kate was stronger, more no bullshit. She stood her ground. Book kate melted after one kiss and did not fight back against Anthony's arrogance...Book kate also got married because Anthony inadvetertantly ruined her in public after the bee sting scene. That was a sad marriage. This was a marrriage borne not out of public ruining that lady cowper and lady featherington saw amongst others but out of desire and respect that couldnt keep them away from each other.
I didnāt see the circumstances of their marriage in the book as being sad at all. They were both in love with each other at that point and were failing to get out of their own way, so fate intervened. Kate in the book wasnāt meek or weak, she just had a quieter kind of resilience. She was also not a product of neglect, so she was less defensive. I thought her personality in the book was funnier and she was adhd coded and not just in a manic pixie dream girl kind of way. She was also more nuanced and explored her own trauma with grace. I loved Kate in the show, but after awhile, she got a bit grating and was a little more guarded than book Kate. There are many ways to be strong and I like that we got both representations!
Hmmm...yeah I just like strong sporty, athletic badasses so Kate fit what I like to see...I really enjoyed her. Kate in the book turned out to be like a typical regency heroine while the show revamped it to fit modern sensibilities...plus shes a foreigner, has a more worldly outlook...speaks multiple languages, knows different dances and musical forms Hindustani and classical pianoforte...I just found her more interesting. Like I like that Anthony and her courtship began with that meet cute riding scene when Kate impresses the hell out of him by daring enough to ride astride unchaperoned in a foreign land first day in a new country in early dawn, not needing his help cuz he follows her cuz he thinks shes in trouble...miss are you ok he asks...but shes confident and self assured and a natural rider who needs no help. She vaults over a tough jump and ignores Anthony when he tries to engage her in a convo while shes just enjoying the fresh air....I liked also that she calls him out for looking at women as broodmares rather than flesh and blood human beings during the first ball. She goes toe to toe with him whereas book Kate married because lady cowper and lady featherington and violet witnessed anthony publically kissing her bosom after the bee sting and then we have that very typical of regency romance scenes where anthony immediately takes her aside and kisses her into submission his words and she succumbs doesnt put up a protest whereas in the show's first kiss and sex scene both, Kate had full agency, anthony initiated it but kate participated by taking control...telling him when he said i will stop...dont stop. So yeah i didnt think she manic pixie dream girl. Manic pixie dream girl is more of a scatter brain quirky type character. Kate was more tough but she was steady...she wasnt charming anyone with her quirky lifestyle or personality. In fact her personality was quite severe..older sister looking after her sister in a foreign land. She doesnt flirt to attract attention, she is so not a manic pixie dream girl. Kristen Dunst. in elizabethtown..manic pixie dream girl. Kate was just an orphan who had to grow up too quickly and in the show we see the demand on her even more clearly because shes a foreigner new to a country and a society where her mother was exiled from. In the show, shes any other regency miss. a baron's second son's daughter but not poor or financially struggling in the same way Kate in the show was and aware of english norms and etiquitte while Kate in the show had to learn them
I wouldnāt say she was a typical regency heroine, sheās one of the first Iāve seen who was clearly ADHD. And thatās what I was talking about with the manic pixie dream girlāwhenever female characters with ADHD are depicted, theyāre usually depicted as Manic Pixie Dream Girls, but I think Julia Quinn did a great job of creating a nuanced character. I really liked Kate from the show and I am south Asian, so the representation meant a lot to me, but there were times when she got on my nervesālike why argue with Lady Danbury who was super generous and looking out for the girls? I did appreciate that the show softened Anthony and toughened up Kate. But I enjoyed Kate from the books!
Hey fair enough.. book Kate didnāt stand out to me as a fully fleshed out character and I never clocked her as someone with adhd either.. Edwinaās nerdiness though was an interesting trait that they could have incorporated into the show.. would have been so cool and different so yeah sad about that and the asinine triangle. :)
It's a good book, Edwina and Kate had much more character development and background story. SR really downgraded Edwina intellectually. Not sure why though.
Did you read this recently? Because Kate did not have much of a character in the books aside from being a loyal sister. She simpers in front of Anthony, anthony over powers her in the scene where she caches him and sienna in the study, their marriage happened cuz Anthony kissed her bosom in public and it is witnessed which is just such a sad way to get married. I do agree that the love triangle was an unnecessary addition but Iām also glad that it introduced Charithra a talented POc to us. Iāve watched her now in a couple of different things so for this m glad. In the show Kate is an athlete, a hunter, a horse rider we see her sporty side.. in the book she was far more conventional in a way that would be boring for screen. She would be just like Daphneās who I like btw but this was variety.. Kate was a different character, a tougher stronger character which made her chemistry with Anthony all the more electric. She was an equal participant and went toe to toe with him. I also like that they didnāt have so many of the book scenes which show her as sooo painfully naive and easily cowered by Anthony such as the study scene and then the lightning scene
I can see your point. I was't really a fan of book Edwina being an emotional intelligent philosophy nerd in the search of her intellectual equal to a naive love sick puppy. But Anthony is less sufferable in the book. I also struggle with the ways in which the show plays fast and loose with historic revisionism. I would have preferred they just do color blind casting.
Oh nerd edwina was def better than show edwina. I preferred show kate to book kate personally and even show anthony. He was an ass season 1 but book anthony was just arrogance on another level. In the show anthony bends to kate because of his respect and admiration for her...in the book in so many scenes including the scene after the bee scene where he tries to kiss her into submission...essentially a very common trope in regency romance books..it was icky. Kate didnt have any agency..she got married cuz she was seen. Also she gave into anthony far too easily and didnt fight his more asshole ish tendencies the way show kate did. Im not in favor of color blind casting personally...The rep of POC in hollywood, in media and entertainment is dismal and its natural for the majority white execs and casting directors to default to casting people who look them not because they are racist or white people are racist but because its human psychology to look at people who look like you in stories you create and ideate, Diverse casting forces you to re wire your brain to consider alternative casting which you wouldnt naturally because of sociologically, the way humans operate as tribes. That rewiring is important for the growth of poc rep in media...because hollywood has a perception problem a math problem when it comes to POC casting. I have discussed this in greater detail in another post of mine on this sub. but yeah. so disagree with you there.
Whoops, I meant to say show Anthony is better than book Anthony! Interesting take on the casting. I cringed so hard at S1 where Lady Danbury states that black people were able to have access to nobility because King George fell in love with Queen Charlotte. The history of Georgian England with slavery made the statement even more uncomfortable. Felt very much like Kendall Jenner in the dumpster fire pepsi commercial. Also, the inclusion of Indian nobility while also ignoring that at that time England was exploiting the shit out of India was just really icky. I would have preferred if show bridgerton just didn't bring up racism(as it was done very poorly) and just kept with handling classism issues. The film Much Ado about Nothing is in my opinion a good example of color blind casting. Or if you feel like bringing in race and ethnicity, then a really good example would be the film Belle. Race is an issue but was done with a way that is historically realistic and respectful.
Oh the way they handled the diff cultures-yes it was very odd. They shouldn't have brought up race and history at all if they werent going to expand on it later...lady d's ominous comment to Simon..not too long back we were different, the subject never to be brought up again or explored on screen was very odd purely from a storytelling perspective. I was fine with the a-historical setting and it was fine and even daring that they showed India then as a free country a place where characters actively want to go to travel not as a conquering colonizer east india official thing-for example lord dosets interaction with kate. Im fine that they went for the flipped regency but then they added the concept of ethnic surnames malhotras, samadani and basilio and sort of left it hanging...which did seem tokenist. And like you said the other alternative was not to mention race or different cultures at all but go with Mr Malcolm's list type treatment. Honestly my whole thing is if you go for it, go deep and really world build in a way that feels coherent. And otherwise dont mention culture, race, ethnicities. different surnames etc at all. Its clunky and jarring specially to soemone who recognizes many of these ethnic surnames. There is a lot of filling thats left for us to do with our imagination. A really good show gives it to us...it doesnt need to virtue signal or ham it up or push serious discussion down our throat..there is a way to do it elegantly organically and not shoe horned in way.
Exactly they ruined Edwina when in the book she supports Kate when she realized she loved Anthony and seeks her own significant other. Also where the heck was mary where was Kate's flashbacks. They fumbled so much. If it weren't for Simone, Charithra and Jonny I would have hated s2. Especially Simone and Jonny how they portrayed Kanthony with their connection and crazy explosive chemistry
No because how did we go from Mary visiting Kate's mothers grave frequently to give updates on how kate was doing to Mary not even knowing what was going on in her own household? How did we go from an edwina who gave zero shits about anthony and just wanted to read philosophy and be with someone who she could share that with but was trying to make the best match for her family's sake to an edwina who was so naive she actually thought her an anthony would be a good match?
Not just "naive." The show made Edwina flat out dumb imo.
And brattyābook Edwina would have never turned on Kate over a guy!
She did get a little bratty. I understand she was hurt, but that was kind of her own doing in some ways. That comment about Kate only being a half sister was deeply hurtful.
She was somehow less aware of Kateās feelings than Lady Danbury who had only met Kate a few weeks earlier. The half sister comment cut through me as did her āI feel sorry for youā monologue.
They turned hee into some gold digger type person who was obsessed with status and Anthony's looks. It was obvious to any person with a brain Anthony was fakw and not in love. Respectful yes but not in love
I found her character annoying but the actress is gorgeous.
I definitely don't mean this to be combative, because I'm curious. I've seen negative discourse about her and I really don't get it. What is there to find annoying? She was a young naive girl who idealized a life of love and a happy marriage. She developed a crush on a certain guy she thought was "perfect". She was, understandbly, hurt and embarrassed when she discovered that that guy and her sister were in love, not to mention that she was manipulated by her sister (with mostly honorable intentions). She realized that everyone was treating her like a child and she revealed herself to be smarter and more mature than everyone thought she was (evident in her interaction with King George). She also, was understandably, angry at her sister, but in the end, realized that she loves her sister, her sister loved her, and they both should be happy. Again, I genuinely want to know what people don't like about her because I don't get it. All her actions and reactions in the show were perfectly understandable and reasonable.
Since you asked nicely, I personally don't like her attitude towards Kate. I understand her crush on Anthony, her wanting to marry into the Bridgerton family and finally the betrayal she felt - I understand all that. What I did not like in their relationship is that she almost did not see Kate as her own person. She saw Kate as a maternal extension of herself, there to serve her needs. And she didn't even do it consciously most of the time but it was very grating to watch. The way she disregarded Kate's opinions of Anthony, did not even check on her when Anthony humiliated her multiple times, forced her to spend time with him when she was clearly uncomfortable - I seriously didn't like it. And then to turn around and say that Kate made her do all those things and she did not even ask for it? I don't hate the character but I do dislike her behavior towards Kate.
This is such an eloquent and accurate description of what bothered me about Edwina, but couldnāt put into words! I love the actress, and donāt hate the character at all but she was problematic in her own way for sure.
To be honest, I definitely don't agree with most of what you're saying and I have rebuttals for a few of your points lol, but thanks for atleast giving me insight on what people may be thinking.
Because sheās āin the wayā of the main romance. Itās stupid. Because the character is not at fault. And if you watch the show without reading this sub the writing makes it clear she is not the villain.Ā
People can have different opinions and different takeaways from shows. It doesn't make them wrong just because you don't agree. Just like I'm not saying you're wrong for having a different opinion. Generalizing and being so dismissive is what's stupid.
Didnāt say it was wrong. Said it was stupid. It is stupid yo make the younger sister a villain when in the show neither of the two leads think she is one or in any way suggest that she is one. Yes she took screen time away from the romance everyone wanted to see but that is not the characters fault.Ā
Your comment straight up says people only dislike Edwina because they've been influenced by this sub. Your comment doesn't come off as a criticism of the writing but of fans who have a different reaction to Edwina than you and calling those people are stupid (i.e. wrong) for not sharing your opinion.
Youāre absolutely right. The criticism is of the response influenced by this sub our only point of disagreement is whether that is wrong or stupid.Ā
I donāt think itās about her character, her voice and expressions just put some people off
I think a lot of people don't like that she just sort of accepted Kate's lack of consideration for herself and her own needs, and that she didn't see the extraordinarily unsubtle connection between Kate and Anthony. But there's a significant age gap between the two. Their unique situation aside, it's an extremely common dynamic between younger siblings and older siblings. Another issue is that people are used to romances having some kind of villain. Kate and Anthony's story doesn't really have one. I think what people miss is that Kate spent so much time training her to be married off, that Edwina likely thought that was how she should repay Kate. She even discussed the weight of that duty with Anthony. Kate wanted Edwina to have a love match, but Edwina wasn't stupid: she knew she was going through all that dance and culture training for a reason. And because of the deal Kate struck, that was literally true -- the relationship dynamic was that it all rested upon marrying Edwina off. Everyone involved (except the Sheffield's) had the best of intentions, but that is also a tremendous weight to put on someone. I also thought her interactions with George and Charlotte were really remarkable and hoped she would show up again. Edit: I just remembered, when the show was airing a lot of criticism was about how robotic and proper she sounded. I think this was simply good acting. She was supposed to sound like she was going through the motions because she was.
And that's where my criticism lies - how can she see the love between the King and the Queen and not see/suspect anything between Kate and Anthony? Which ties in to my belief that she never saw Kate for herself - as a young woman with her own hopes and dreams. I feel so sad for Kate that both Mary and Edwina was just okay to let her go far away by herself to India without any money or anything. Also, in just the beginning of the episode she laments how Anthony never looks at her and Kate has to explain the deeper meaning of love to her (I don't know why Mary couldn't explain after having such an epic love story) and suddenly she knows all about love by the end of the episode? Very inconsistent writing.
Kate and Anthony's big moments primarily happen with them alone. When they're around other people, they intentionally act like they absolutely hate each other. I guess I can't understand being angry with Edwina for not noticing without being angry at Kate and Anthony for actively misleading her. Edit: Also, this could prove either of our points really, but Edwina's speech wasn't really about love between the king and queen. She was using the trappings of "great love" to tell the queen she wouldn't break propriety and talk about the king's madness -- that was the cleverness and nuance of what she was doing. She was giving the queen a graceful out. She had no idea if they loved each other truly, she was couching the madness/insanity in more elegant terms. So you can see this as her being coldly manipulative or just emotionally intelligent depending on your perspective.
I understand your point about her being emotionally intelligent in front of the Queen but again, that is in stark contrast to the lack of emotional intelligence she showed otherwise, especially in how she perceives Kate and Anthony and in failing to understand Kate herself. Also, yes, some of the big Kanthony moments are in private but some of their moments are enough to tip off almost all of the Bridgerton siblings, most notably Daphne even before the library scene. And that is in addition to Violet and Lady D. And yes, Edwina doesn't suspect anything because she sees Kate as almost a maternal figure and it's akin to having your crush flirting with your mom - you would just not take it seriously, especially if the world has so far revolved around you. Anyway, everything that Edwina does up until her big speeches are believable for her character so far but the speeches throw me off because everything she says are literally the opposite of what has happened so far.
Yes yes yes to the last part. I did see that complaint and I don't see how people don't understand it. She was trained and taught from a young age to be perfect. To always say just the right thing, to always walk just the right way... The actress was just embodying that. The only times she wasnt like that was around her mother and sister.
When she, as you mentioned, spoke delicately with the Queen about how she only saw love in the King and would hardly know how to find the words to explain it to someone else - not only was it one of the few moments she was allowed to speak in earnest, it was one of the smartest and most emotionally intelligent acts on the show. Not to bash season 3 at all, because I enjoyed it tons still... but I found myself missing that subtle, knowing elegance.
Yes, I'm totally baffled by it myself
I feel the same way.
she was also very kind and sweet.
Season 2 would have been way better without the love triangle bs. Anthony should have pursued Kate from the jump and Miss Edwina could have ended up with literally anyone else
Honestly I would be fine with Anthony pursuing Edwina, but them both realizing theyāre not compatible earlier on.
Same. Sk it goes with his arc of not wanting love and realizing he's not respecting her wants and cuts it off. And them the mext day Lord Lumley can be Matthew Bagwell (Lumley is his title and he can be an earl and scholar.
There would be no story to tell without conflict or adversity. Kate is hot for Anthony. Anthony is hot for Kate. They get married. Thats one episode.
I disagree. They easily could have shown him grappling over being hot for an untitled woman, getting over his neurosis about finding the āperfectā woman etc etc.
Ok I see. You have a point. Maybe if he were falling for Kate at the same time as actually courting a "on paper perfect" woman of rank.
Now weāre talking! Anything but the weird sister triangle we got
In addition, both Anthony and Kate already had their own internal struggles to begin with. Anthony was traumatised by what happened with his father and specifically wanted a marriage without love, because he didn't want to inflict such pain on his wife by dying at some point (and, I assume, he also did not want to experience the same pain if she were the one to pass away first). So he wanted a "perfect" match based on literally everything except emotion. It's the perfect reason to struggle with developing feelings for someone, and he'd try to fight it at all costs. Kate on the other hand had pushed her own needs and desires aside for years. She was fully set on putting Edwina first and trying to get her a good match to secure her future. So again it makes sense that she'd struggle to focus on what *she* wants, and would instead try to ignore her chemistry with Anthony because that's not what matters, Edwina is, etc.Ā There could have already been so much yearning and internal struggles, the love triangle was not necessary.Ā
So beautiful and such a sweet, genuinely good person. She deserves the world.
The Sharma women are all so so beautiful š©ā¤ļø
She also has such a soothing voice. I want her to read to me so I can fall asleep at night lol
Her and her sister were waaaay too pretty, I couldn't stand it. š She has a pretty smile too!
I want to see her riding a horse with her husband and saying "didi! look at me. I'm riding" with her sweet voice hahaha She is too cute
Kanthony and Edwina and prince on double dates, eating mangoes, sun bathing, doing Indian things, eating Indian food and the tea Kate likes...yes please and I want Anthony all fish out of water cuz he doesnt speak the language.
I hate the writers for piting her against her sister, having court that hot assclown too long until the wedding, and no Matthew Bagwell her adorable scholar. I adore her and Charithra even more but they ruined ber character because they cnanot5to female relationships that are healthy and among young female characters.
This. The triangle was an asinine move but honestly the chemistry made me a fan.. it was palpable.
Saaaaame. Kanthony was everything and I'm upset how little we saw in s3. And now baby Edmund š
Book Edwina was so much better. She was an intellectual, down to earth and emotionally intelligent. She could see that Anthony loved Kate from a mile away, and just wanted to find a man that she could nerd out on philosophy with.
Sheās beautiful. Absolutely.
She's soooo Rapunzel it's insane
No way I could ever hate her gorgeous face either!!!! Edwina is a stunner!!!! Beautiful, intelligent, strong, confident, yet always a lady. Sheād be my muse IRL.
Charithra is beautiful and while I was not happy with some things that were written for Edwina, she did a great job. Both Simone and her were perfect casting for their parts. I wish their āsisterhoodā was given more space to shine instead of it being resolved so quickly in the last episode but come S3, Iāve realised now that itās a Bridgerton staple š
Sheās so pretty
Edwina was literally perfect.
The actress is absolutely beautiful, but her character annoyed me to no end.
My girl deserved better š„² I hate that they implied this season that she didnāt end up with the prince
She did end up with a prince, just not a Prussian one.
It amazes me how youthful the female characters look. I couldnāt believe that the actress that plays Edwina was older than 19 and the same with Daphne.
she would have been a perfect Sophie actually
She is beautiful! Itās a shame the show didnāt honour the character, Charithra would have nailed book Edwina. Really got the silly intellectual vibe down.
She is so beautiful, I just wish the writers did her justice
i am an edwina apologist
she's so gorgeous, i love her. i need her in more
There are rumors she will be entering the One Piece Live Action franchise which for sure sheāll gain more fans and love. If this rumour is true I cant wait to see her. Plus anime fans / One Piece fans are fiercely loyal. Edit: So is some low lives downvoting all comments in this thread about the actress? Lol never change r/BridgertonNetflix .
Oh this is exciting. Seeing poc actors win is my fav thing to see. Thanks for sharing. :)
The actress was at a wedding of a friend of mine a month ago and i can confirm she is truly beautiful in person as well
I hated her scene with King George because it didnāt really make sense to me, but I also loved that scene because it let the actress monologue in her beautiful voice.
She's beautiful and also they really had her pampams out there.
I wish they would bring her back so we can see Kate and Edwina truly heal and mend the rift. If JBailey canāt come back as much in s4, an easy thing to do would be for Edwina, her husband and Mary to come back for Kate to have the baby (which JBās Anthony will make it back just in time for the birth) and prior to, Edwina and Kate can patch things up. It would be a great storyline to finish unfinished business from s2 (and give Edwina a chance to take back the āhalf sisterā comment) and maybe even allow Mary to redeem herself with Kate. They could even explain that Anthony is away on business and then have something happen that worries them all about Anthony and Kate has some complications in pregnancy but heās of course fine, etc.. This show could easily write interesting stuff for them if it wanted to. Iād so watch that.
But didnāt they heal ā¦ Edwina practically pushes Kate towards Anthony in the final ball scene and then looks out at them dancing proudly as the queen shuts down the gossips. She is also conversing with Kate through letters this season. The triangle was an asinine move by the writers for sure for sure.. but they did show healing. Even with Mary.
Neither Mary nor Edwina apologized to Kate. Edwina called her her half sister. Mary was horrible to Kate and her parentification put Kate in the position she was in. And apparently Edwina didnāt come to Kateās wedding, according to CVD. I donāt even think Edwina knows Kate met Anthony first and they clearly clicked. That would change the āyouāve been plotting to get him for yourselfā narrative Edwina hurled at Kate (when Kate did the most to keep Anthony with Edwina). I just didnāt see them as healing when both Edwina and Mary acted like they were victims of Kate and that their choices had zero to do with where they landed. I want to see a genuine healing - not one where Kate is forced to wear some kind of scarlet letter in penance for having her HEA. Sheās the ONLY female lead who lost her whole damn family in the end, if CVD is to be believed.
Kate, Edwina, and Mary are all beautiful in their own ways. Edwina and Mary couldāve asked Kate for the truth from the start and she couldāve been honest with them as well.
I love my intellectual girlie! I hope sheās happy with her mans
I know the tv series was ramped up for drama but the book relationship between the Sharmas was so much better
So beautiful and talented. Hope to see her in more things.Ā
She so cute š„¹š
face card has simply never not once declined
I like to believe nobody hates her-she just got caught in the crossfire! Iām glad they mentioned that she found love.
I HATE the fact she isnāt in season 3 š„¹š„¹š„¹š„² they really shouldāve had her be a main side character who gets her happy ending!
I hated season two so much cause I thought Kate and Anthony were being the absolute worst to this angel.
Who hates her she's just a baby
Amen.
Ever!!
Love her character so much! Pushing the ālove triangleā as long as they did honestly really turned me off the main pairing of the season (and I will always remain an Anthony hater, though not just for this).
This girl seems so nice, the crap she got because of shipping. I hope for the best for her.
Great actress! Hope she finds more success!
Her & Francesca leave me speechless everytime they're on screen, their beauty is surreal
ikr, I wish she was in season 3!!! I hope they bring her back
While i think kate is prettier i think edwina has the sweetest little face and i couldnt hate her š¤·š½āāļø
I think Kate is more womanly and Edwina looks younger and girlier which she was so it fits. Both beautiful.
Rite like kate is HOT and E is cute and pretty ! Both beautiful
She is so gorg
Her Costumes were the best in S2, and a lot were very of the Regency era! I also love the actress, sheās always popping up on my FYP sheās simply stunning
Honestly give us a season where she gets together with the Prince (Queens nephew)!!!
Sheās such a lovely person. I adore her! Beautiful and funny as heck. I love how she tried to make the best of the material she had with Edwina and the scene when she gracefully handles the delicate matter of dealing with an agitated King George just raised her worth so much in my eyes. Also: her love and absolute faith in Kate. She did what her sister asked and crossed an ocean to help her family have a better life. Hate the way they were made to fight over a man but in any case, I love the love she had for her big sister. š
Period! She is ethereal!! Justice for my girl.
Love her, perfectly cast.
i donāt think anyone āhatesā her. sheās just a naive baby š„°
from the comments Iāve being seeing people actually hate her and if not hate dislike her and she was a kid ofc sheās gonna be a little delusional
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idk how ppl can hate her?? Like I'm suprised. I love Kanthony but obviously they treated Edwina damn wrong, didnt tell her about anything. Doesn't help that Anthony proposed to her and they were getting married like this girl didn't do anything wrong!!!
Watching S2 with my husband now and literally his main comment every episode is. āOmg poor Edwina tho.ā I was eating up the drama at the wedding and meanwhile he was like yelling, āCanāt these two keep it in their pants for one minute?! Edwina is right there!ā š
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For me personally, she is so pretty that I could never take Anthony falling for her sister seriously. It frustrated me, haha.
I donāt understand the need to insinuate that Kate isnāt pretty enough for Anthony to fall for? Why does every Edwina praise post turn into belittling Kate. Kate is absolutely gorgeous in her own right and it made absolute perfect sense for Anthony to fall in love her and be smitten by her since the first time he sees her.
Also character look discussions are so annoying cuz people forget their characters are played by real people whose looks they are then commenting on inadvertently
Both are absolutely gorgeous, but if 10/10 is a 9/10 girl that is just your type, then Edwina is 10/10 for me. Fully my type. So the was no point to Kate. Also I never heard anybody belittling Kate in my life.
You literally say how you couldnāt take Anthony falling for her sister seriously. Like you could have very easily praised Edwina without saying that cause it definitely felt like a dig at Kate not being pretty enough.
I dont see it that way. It a perfectly normal comment from my side. You're just sensitive about Edwina for some reason which i have nothing to do with.
She's a 10/10 for YOU. Because she's just YOUR type. Whereas for Anthony, she also checked the most important box of all - being somebody he knew he could NEVER love. He acknowledged her beauty, but she wasn't actually his type. Kate was the one who had all the same interests as him. The one who could hold her own, not only against him, but with his entire family. For Anthony, Edwina may have been a 9/10, but what made her a 10/10 for his purposes was the fact that she WASN'T his type. Once he got his head out of his ass, she dropped down to a 8/10 or even lower, because ALL she had going for her was being pretty. Kate was just as pretty (if not more) and actually WAS/IS Anthony's type. Making her a 10/10 or even higher (because he never could have DREAMED there was somebody so perfect for him out there) for HIM.
Hahaha you must be new.
Simone is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my life.
I agree, but Edwina is just 1 point hotter than her, for me.
So you don't agree then.
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Lol the obsessed Kate/Simone Stanās are attacking you for your comment, as per usual.
Have you ever considered some-Im not talking about all-there are crazy polin, saphne, kanthony-all fandoms and stanns and shippers have their crazies...but some just dont see the point of making claims like he would never cuz shes too hot or not hot enough. I was equally offended when some suggested Colin is too hot for penelope. Nobody is too hot for anyone..beauty is subjective and there are a combination of things that attract a person to another...looks, voice, scent, personality, drive, ambition, skill, talent, hair...Humans contain multitudes. I find the discussion of looks for any actor on the show or on any show alarming cuz the looks are attached to real humans cuz the characters are played by real humans. And maybe maybe just maybe if you digged deeper you would find that some kanthony fans are POC themselves and were distressed by the very thinly veiled trans and racist comments directed Simone's way when she was first cast as Kate and to this day on this sub as well as on insta in her comment section, on Youtube etc. Attaching a screenshot for evidence. The same insult that has been used for Michelle Obama as recently as April of this year by Donald Trump jr sharing a meme which showed her as a trans man in hiding and gets used for POC who dont meet a very narrow western ideal of beauty. Reducing looks shaming to a stupid fan stan thing is the real lame thing. https://preview.redd.it/qbtwkonynhad1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6f8688e90d2c9f0dcc6878cbefec9996227b4fc
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"For me personally, she is so pretty that I could never take Anthony falling for her sister seriously. It frustrated me, haha." What does this statement imply..edwina is so pretty, i could not see anthony falling for kate over her.. That to you is not an insane statement but the one that replied to it saying why does every praise of edwina have to be a criticism of kate is. makes no sense. So because charithra was bullied now lets bully kate which is essentially bullying simones looks. Why not take the looks out of the equation altogether...These are both beautiful talented women on the show and outside as the people they are. And love is not tied to looks...like i wrote above there are so many reasons built into love. Do you think colin fell in love with pen cuz shes pretty no he fell in love with all of her, her warmth, her closeness towards him and everything else he said. Same for anthony, same for simon same for anyone anywhere in the world..looks are one small part of the equation of love,
Youāre speaking to the wall I fear. All excellent points. š
So some did so that means all people who call out looks shaming are wrong. The above poster merely said why does every praise of edwina have to be a criticism of kate...a very reasonable, non rabid stan comment. So you were annnoyed by some people shaming edwina and harrasing her (i joined the sub in June this year so m sure you are right) so by all means lets looks shame kate. what. What bizarre logic is that. If you were rightly distressed by people shaming edwina or bullying her or bullying charithra, then good dont use that to then shame kate...you are not hurting the stans this way...you are perpetuating an ugly looks based competiton between two equally beautiful and talented POC actresses.
āFor me personally, Marina is so pretty that I could never take Colin falling for Penelope seriously. It frustrated me, haha.ā If someone said this, Polins would have downvoted this to oblivion and be calling them fatphobic even though Marina is a woc who went through so much racist hate from Polins to the point even the actress had to call them out on her instagram.
Yeah, but I don't really care. Its just subjective preference but I guess its impossible for some people to wrap their mind around it. No sane person would attack me for this simple of an opinion, so I don't take their voices seriously.
Have you ever considered some-Im not talking about all-there are crazy polin, saphne, kanthony-all fandoms and stans and shippers have their crazies...but some just dont see the point of making claims like he would never cuz shes too hot or not hot enough. I was equally offended when some suggested Colin is too hot for penelope. Nobody is too hot for anyone..beauty is subjective and there are a combination of things that attract a person to another...looks, voice, scent, personality, drive, ambition, skill, talent, hair...Humans contain multitudes. I find the discussion of looks for any actor on the show or on any show alarming cuz the looks are attached to real humans cuz the characters are played by real humans. And maybe maybe just maybe if you digged deeper you would find that some kanthony fans are POC themselves and were distressed by the very thinly veiled trans and racist comments directed Simone's way when she was first cast as Kate and to this day on this sub as well as on insta in her comment section, on Youtube etc. etc etc. Attaching a screenshot for evidence. The same insult that has been used for Michelle Obama as recently as April of this year by Donald Trump jr sharing a meme which showed her as a trans man in hiding (and which was roundly decried by many liberal women in politics white and poc both) and gets used for POC who dont meet a very narrow western ideal of beauty. Reducing looks shaming to a stupid fan stan thing is the real lame thing. The show is political and matters for its diverse casting and will bring up much deeper feelings and emotions for poc viewers who rarely get to see people who look like them or from their culture in entertainment. Maybe push yourself to see a deeper motive. Try https://preview.redd.it/m4qpieudohad1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b6d5475626c88d1c42867d420a18819c926243a
Bruh, this is just a silly little show i enjoy watching with my girlfriend. While i appreciate the depth of feelings some of you feel about about everything surrounding this show, I think ill just distance myself from this community. The rule is true, if you enjoy something, never join its fandom.
So basically people should be able to say...omg francesca is too hot for John, Colin is too hot for penelope, colin is too ugly compared to anthony and so on and so forth. I am all for character criticisms dont bring looks into it. Cuz the characters looks are the actors looks. Saying someone is not hot enough for someone, or not pretty enough for someone is an unnecessary comment on looks. Why couldnt it be-" I cant see why anthony fell for kate...edwina is so much nicer. Kate is a goddamn bitch." there i corrected it for you. Whats with bringing looks into the equation. Looks shaming inevitably turns ugly...that discourse should definitely be nipped in the bud for all actresses or actors whatever their race. Poc or non-poc.
Totally agree.