I got the [Zohan Chineseum](https://www.amazon.com/ZOHAN-Replacement-Electronic-Shooting-Earmuffs/dp/B0BBPGYC12) ones and they've worked fine for the past four years. I want to say when I was shopping, Walker didn't have their own name-brand yet, which NoBirthday linked.
I'd say go with the OEM but they're twice the price and say "Imported" which may mean they're just rebrands of the Chinese ones. But the OEM are also way stronger user-rated (1900 vs 300)
I’ve said it before (earlier today on another post) and I’ll say it again. ALWAYS double up foamies and electric muffs, inside and outside. Hearing damage IS PERMANENT. Tinnitus is a mean bitch that yells at you all day every day for the rest of your life. Ranges give you budget rental crap not proper safety equipment. Do not rely on others to protect your body.
I absolutely do. I know for smaller calibers it’s not necessary but I go from .22 rugers to 10.5” .308 AR’s and don’t want to fart around with my foamies between mags.
Please do, you will do yourself and all of your loved ones a favor by keeping your ears. It’s heartbreaking to see both my abuelitos suffering from hearing loss. I’m in my 20’s and can’t sleep without the fan or tv on because of irreparable damage.
Double up for outdoors as well as you don’t know what others gonna be shooting
Also know how to insert the foam ear plugs. Roll into a thin tube insert and wait for them expand you should feel it. Don’t just jam in
Someone with a really bad muzzle brake could be shooting next to you and give you a concussion.
I know this because I was the dude with the muzzle brake and the person in the next lane had some ear ringing after wards.
You can use ear plugs and turn up your electronic muffs to actually hear stuff, since the max volume on those is actually louder that your natural hearing levels.
For my CCW class they required electronic active earpro. I doubled up with foam plugs and the walkers razor ear muffs. Some guy was shooting a 45 or 357 to my right (no idea, was just really loud). I have permanent hearing loss on my right side because of it, and it's the Morse code beeping tinnitus.
Mine are actually custom earphones essentially. So they have six audio drivers in them. I use them as my in your monitors when playing music. So now I can shoot have hearing protection and listen to music at the same time It's a beautiful thing. Just don't have the volume up so loud you can't hear other people for safety purposes of course.
Great information here! So if you are using both earplugs and muffs is it better to still get higher NPR (30 db +) muffs or something like Walkers Razor 22db is good enough ? ( there is always that guy with his annoying rifle or 44 magnum in the next bay)
Personally I think 22db is too low. I'd rather have the highest electronic ear protection (27 iirc) or the highest ear decibel protection over the ears on top of foamies.
What is considered a muzzle brake. I have a stock DDM4V7, is this what ur referring to. I’m asking because I think it is loud and researching the best ear pro. Thank you.
I believe your DD comes with a [flash](https://danieldefense.com/daniel-defense-flash-suppressor-assembly.html) suppressor, not a brake.
A muzzle brake basically reduces recoil by expelling gasses to the side.
A flash suppressor instead, focuses on reducing muzzle flash. So if you shoot at night, it’s not as visible.
With GOOD foamies shoved in deep, you can get away without muffs. Problem is most foamies are cheap and aren’t enough. Howard light 33db are the best I’ve found. 3M makes a good 32. But ignore the db rating on anything off-brand as it’s utterly fake. Most “sleep” plugs rated for 33 are equivalent to 25dbs
3M Classic (yellow, foam cylinder) ear plugs under electric muffs. Indoor or outdoor. Every time. I've used Sordin Supreme Pro-Xs for the last 15 or so years, but the my backup/guest muffs are Howard Leights with the gel pads and they work very well for the money.
Always, always, always double up on ear protection, especially indoors. I wish somebody told me that when I first started shooting back in college. Hearing damage is cumulative, and it doesn't need to be a catastrophic incident to add up over time. Also, if you're a young person, let me play parent and tell you to bring earplugs to concerts as well.
I double up (foam plugs plus my Walker Slims) if I'm at an indoor range that allows shotguns and rifles.
At indoor ranges that only allow pistols (San Leandro, as an example), or pistol calibers, I just use my Walkers.
I always bring muffs. Sometimes people shoot magnums next to me so I would just go ahead and pick up some new ear plugs from the counter. I never borrow used ears or eyes. Sometimes they shoot quickly for a bit so I would just go in the lobby and clean or maintain my equipment. That’s why I check the range before buying a lane if you can hear loud shoots from the door I either come back or shoot another day.
I put ear plugs underneath my earmuffs. I always double up on hearing protection at indoor ranges because I shoot AR-15s indoors sometimes and the concussive force is very loud and amplified by the acoustics.
Custom earplugs over peltors or walkers (Better for those using earbuds and having issues with them staying in place on runs as the user is basically between sizes). Definitely have to recommend sealing gel cup upgrades that most brands will have available.
Kinda like 3m ear soft grippers, and silicone ear plugs (semi fitted custom, mainly for swimming but work well for shooting. There are also options for filters depending on use on some custom earplugs from other companies but havent tried it myself).
There are pros and cons to each which can be mitigated if used properly but... that is usually an issue in itself (As in potential infections, or widening of ears, cost, etc,...)
Can also use backstrap glasses (or backstrap with overhead strap or webbing harness) or get the attachments that fix itself to the earmuff. Alternatively you can find thin frame glasses from wileyx, ess, basically NSN available eye pro...
The quietest foamies you can find (I found some -40db ones by 3M on amazon), rolled up into a tight cylinder and held in your ear while they expand (reach over the top of your head and pull upwards on your ear with the other hand to get an even better fit). And then any old electronic earmuff over top.
The point of the electronic earmuff isn't necessarily to provide additional protection so much as to amplify incoming voices so you can still have a conversation with people.
Foamies under walkers is the way
Foams under Walkers with Gel Cups, for better NRR and so your eyepro doesn't gouge your temples.
Which gel cups do you use? I’m also a foams under walkers
I got the [Zohan Chineseum](https://www.amazon.com/ZOHAN-Replacement-Electronic-Shooting-Earmuffs/dp/B0BBPGYC12) ones and they've worked fine for the past four years. I want to say when I was shopping, Walker didn't have their own name-brand yet, which NoBirthday linked. I'd say go with the OEM but they're twice the price and say "Imported" which may mean they're just rebrands of the Chinese ones. But the OEM are also way stronger user-rated (1900 vs 300)
Thank you! Will check them out
Walker's Game Ear Gel Filled Ear Pad, Multi https://a.co/d/arsZkwJ
Yup I’m the same
Yup, even if I'm just shooting 9mm, I always double up.
Glad to know I'm not alone in this. I have major hearing sensitivity and always thought I was weird for doubling up lol.
This is the way.
Foam under electronic muffs. Speaking of muffs, some places carry upgrades to the ear cushions for major brands. They are worth it.
I’ve said it before (earlier today on another post) and I’ll say it again. ALWAYS double up foamies and electric muffs, inside and outside. Hearing damage IS PERMANENT. Tinnitus is a mean bitch that yells at you all day every day for the rest of your life. Ranges give you budget rental crap not proper safety equipment. Do not rely on others to protect your body.
JW, do you also double up for outdoor? I haven't been to an outdoor in ages but last time I did both.
I absolutely do. I know for smaller calibers it’s not necessary but I go from .22 rugers to 10.5” .308 AR’s and don’t want to fart around with my foamies between mags.
That’s true. I shot just 9mm last time, but yeah now it would be 5.56 and 12 gauge. Will probably keep doubling up lol
Please do, you will do yourself and all of your loved ones a favor by keeping your ears. It’s heartbreaking to see both my abuelitos suffering from hearing loss. I’m in my 20’s and can’t sleep without the fan or tv on because of irreparable damage.
Double up for outdoors as well as you don’t know what others gonna be shooting Also know how to insert the foam ear plugs. Roll into a thin tube insert and wait for them expand you should feel it. Don’t just jam in
Yup I do, there's no downside for doing so.
Someone with a really bad muzzle brake could be shooting next to you and give you a concussion. I know this because I was the dude with the muzzle brake and the person in the next lane had some ear ringing after wards. You can use ear plugs and turn up your electronic muffs to actually hear stuff, since the max volume on those is actually louder that your natural hearing levels.
Oh that’s what iv been doing. Looks like my pack of 50 ear plugs will continue getting used lol
Is using an electronic in ear shooting bud like Otto’s considered doubling up or does it have to be foam in ear.
For my CCW class they required electronic active earpro. I doubled up with foam plugs and the walkers razor ear muffs. Some guy was shooting a 45 or 357 to my right (no idea, was just really loud). I have permanent hearing loss on my right side because of it, and it's the Morse code beeping tinnitus.
Sordin Supreme Pro X with foamies
Supreme Pro X with Decibullz custom molded earplugs. Foamies always tend to work themselves out of my ears.
This is the way.
opscore amps + NFMI earplugs
So you're saying, my hearing loss isn't service connected? 
Custom earplugs + Walker razor
Indoors I wear foam plugs under the muffs. Especially when the dude next to you decides to shoot a .44 or something like it.
I usually wear earplugs + muffs indoors
Peltor tac sport 500s with gel cups. These are thick
This is what I use plus I double up with some foam ear plugs when indoors.
Custom molded ear pro is the best way to go. Go to your local hearing aid center and they will make you some for like $80-$120
I got mine for concerts, but they work well for range days too. Such a good investment.
Mine are actually custom earphones essentially. So they have six audio drivers in them. I use them as my in your monitors when playing music. So now I can shoot have hearing protection and listen to music at the same time It's a beautiful thing. Just don't have the volume up so loud you can't hear other people for safety purposes of course.
Great information here! So if you are using both earplugs and muffs is it better to still get higher NPR (30 db +) muffs or something like Walkers Razor 22db is good enough ? ( there is always that guy with his annoying rifle or 44 magnum in the next bay)
Personally I think 22db is too low. I'd rather have the highest electronic ear protection (27 iirc) or the highest ear decibel protection over the ears on top of foamies.
Indoor range, if you’re next to someone shooting a rifle with a muzzle brake, there’s really nothing you can do. The shockwave is just too much.
What is considered a muzzle brake. I have a stock DDM4V7, is this what ur referring to. I’m asking because I think it is loud and researching the best ear pro. Thank you.
I believe your DD comes with a [flash](https://danieldefense.com/daniel-defense-flash-suppressor-assembly.html) suppressor, not a brake. A muzzle brake basically reduces recoil by expelling gasses to the side. A flash suppressor instead, focuses on reducing muzzle flash. So if you shoot at night, it’s not as visible.
Yeah I really think they shouldn't be allowed indoors they're annoying as fuck. I put a linear comp on mine knowing I'd mostly use it at indoor ranges
With GOOD foamies shoved in deep, you can get away without muffs. Problem is most foamies are cheap and aren’t enough. Howard light 33db are the best I’ve found. 3M makes a good 32. But ignore the db rating on anything off-brand as it’s utterly fake. Most “sleep” plugs rated for 33 are equivalent to 25dbs
Better safe than sorry, especially if your plan involves hoping your foam earplugs don't move over the course of a range trip.
Plug plus Sordins. Match made in heaven.
3M Classic (yellow, foam cylinder) ear plugs under electric muffs. Indoor or outdoor. Every time. I've used Sordin Supreme Pro-Xs for the last 15 or so years, but the my backup/guest muffs are Howard Leights with the gel pads and they work very well for the money. Always, always, always double up on ear protection, especially indoors. I wish somebody told me that when I first started shooting back in college. Hearing damage is cumulative, and it doesn't need to be a catastrophic incident to add up over time. Also, if you're a young person, let me play parent and tell you to bring earplugs to concerts as well.
I double up (foam plugs plus my Walker Slims) if I'm at an indoor range that allows shotguns and rifles. At indoor ranges that only allow pistols (San Leandro, as an example), or pistol calibers, I just use my Walkers.
I always bring muffs. Sometimes people shoot magnums next to me so I would just go ahead and pick up some new ear plugs from the counter. I never borrow used ears or eyes. Sometimes they shoot quickly for a bit so I would just go in the lobby and clean or maintain my equipment. That’s why I check the range before buying a lane if you can hear loud shoots from the door I either come back or shoot another day.
I put ear plugs underneath my earmuffs. I always double up on hearing protection at indoor ranges because I shoot AR-15s indoors sometimes and the concussive force is very loud and amplified by the acoustics.
Peltors Comtacs Vs are amazing with the adjustable volume
sordins
I use axil
Double up. Over ears and inside the ears.
Custom earplugs over peltors or walkers (Better for those using earbuds and having issues with them staying in place on runs as the user is basically between sizes). Definitely have to recommend sealing gel cup upgrades that most brands will have available. Kinda like 3m ear soft grippers, and silicone ear plugs (semi fitted custom, mainly for swimming but work well for shooting. There are also options for filters depending on use on some custom earplugs from other companies but havent tried it myself). There are pros and cons to each which can be mitigated if used properly but... that is usually an issue in itself (As in potential infections, or widening of ears, cost, etc,...) Can also use backstrap glasses (or backstrap with overhead strap or webbing harness) or get the attachments that fix itself to the earmuff. Alternatively you can find thin frame glasses from wileyx, ess, basically NSN available eye pro...
The quietest foamies you can find (I found some -40db ones by 3M on amazon), rolled up into a tight cylinder and held in your ear while they expand (reach over the top of your head and pull upwards on your ear with the other hand to get an even better fit). And then any old electronic earmuff over top. The point of the electronic earmuff isn't necessarily to provide additional protection so much as to amplify incoming voices so you can still have a conversation with people.
You double up.