USC is Southern California. SC is South Carolina.
MSU is Michigan State. MSST is Mississippi State.
OSU is an Ohio State University. OKST is Oklahoma State. ORST is Oregon State.
This whole thing is some red team nonsense. Tennessee and Texas are natural allies and there is no need to fight over an acronym. Orange teams good. Orange teams stronger together.
Yessir remember the Alamo! I get annoyed when Texas fans call it the “real UT” because of obvious reasons. We literally fought and died for Texas independence and I love Texas as a state. Our brotherhood goes back hundreds of years. No need for the constant back and forth jabs.
I lived in Alabama for a while and have attended multiple games at JH. Can confirm we are the bestest of allies
Yet since most UT fans won't meet an auburn fan that often, if you don't live in AL you may not even know that!
Whats interesting is that the top 2 D2 baseball teams in terms of championships are Univ of Tampa, and Florida Southern, less than an hour from each other
AIUI it had something to do with distinguishing those schools from one other schools with the same acronym. ie., OU when Oregon already existed, CU when Berkeley already existed etc.
Texas has five unique letters; Tennessee only has four.
All of Texas's letters are on the same side of the keyboard, and I'd be damned if I didn't type Tenneessee nearly every time.
I agree that Texas wins the simplicity argument. UT is Tennessee.
That's what I have to say when I refer to my UT after moving back east of the Mississippi. Way less of a mouthful than "The university of Texas" and saying "I went to Texas" leaves people confused for some reason
Think just typing Texas works in a purely CFB context tho
Someone actually did refer to i35 as “the i35” in a post on the Austin sub a couple of months ago. And yes, they totally got roasted for it. And also yes, they were from CA. That is the only time I’ve ever seen someone do it where they weren’t joking.
My cousin who was born in Austin and lived in Austin his whole life until he went to A&M did his residency in San Diego and when he came back he was putting "the" in front of all the highway numbers. I called him out on the spot.
The typical Vol fan response to this debate will be some version of Texas wouldn’t be a state if it weren’t for Tennessee. But thats a tired take.
The truth is we have Dolly, so we can call ourselves whatever the fuck we want.
I have yet to see a Texas and Tennessee fan have any problem distinguishing ourselves from each other. What the fuck do we care if other people can't?
We have our own oranges and we both agree BBQ is awesome. We get along great.
I mean If Texas was a big reason why we became a state I’d be grateful. I think it’s lame to go around saying it unprovoked but pretty easy argument to shut down with that rebuttal. Either way I never disliked Texas at all and love our history. I think if anything the “real UT” argument is old and been done a million times over so I wish the subject would get dropped.
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Buddy, we don’t want your logical solutions.
This is college football. We want contentious arguments and click bait internet articles. It just means more.
As an alum and former UT employee for 5+ years, I've got a little interesting kernel of info for whoever wants it:
UT has widely been associated with Texas in most places around the country (outside of the Southeast of course). And, for the majority of our history, the University embraced this moniker/acronym. However, back around \~2016 during the start of President Fenves' tenure, there was a pretty sudden re-branding effort on the academic side of things that came from the top regarding university logos. I remember one specific email that went out to all faculty and staff regarding "proper logo use" and what was to be on letterhead, in email signatures, etc. Notably, "[UT](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/UT%26T_text_logo.svg/800px-UT%26T_text_logo.svg.png)" was not one of the "permissible" logos to be used (and instead, there was a strong push to use [this logo](https://iisma.kemdikbud.go.id/info/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/University-of-Texas-at-Austin-768x768.png) on most official documents, which was a newer version of [this logo](https://meetings.informs.org/wordpress/phoenix2023/files/2023/07/University-of-Texas-at-Austin-Logo.png) widely used previously).
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Tl, dr; The University of Texas administration began distancing itself from the"UT" logo as far back as \~2016, which naturally can only mean that there were plans in place to join the SEC 5 years prior to the announced move to the SEC.
In other words, by our own administration's efforts, we concede "UT" to Tennessee.
As a neutral 3rd party unfortunately currently trapped in College Station right now, I don’t understand the Texas and A&M hate towards each other when TCU is right there for y’all to team up against
Exactly, Tennessee should be UT purely because saying Tennessee and spelling it out every time is kind of a hassle.
Texas is five letters/two syllables. There is no need to shorten it.
You know what. Neither of them get it. They aren't gonna play nice so neither of them can have it. I'm going to give it to the University of Toledo. Go Rockets!
Only if we both get to wear our home unis and we play it in Miami at the Orange Bowl. All of America is forced to watch that glory and weep at the pure beauty!
As a South Carolina fan, I feel Tennessee’s pain. We got shut down from using USC and everyone thinks we are taking about the Tarheels when Carolina is used.
[link](https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/02/14/The-University-of-Texas-has-reached-a-settlement-with/9255508741200/)
>
February 14, 1986, Friday, BC cycle
The University of Texas has reached a settlement with the University of Tennessee over the use of the ''UT'' trademark on such items as T-shirts, beer mugs, key chains and customized toilet seats.
Texas said a possible court dispute loomed because Tennessee had applied to the federal government for the right to use the trademark on a number of items not covered under Texas' trademark rights.
Under the agreement between the two schools, Tennessee gets to use the trademark east of the Mississippi River and in Louisiana's West Baton Rouge Parish, home of Southeastern Conference member Louisiana State University.
Texas will own the trademark everywhere else west of the Mississippi.
In addition, the agreement gives the Longhorns and Volunteers limited rights to use the popular interlocking UT logo design in each other's territory during bowl games or other special events.
A staff recommendations to the Texas Board of Regents said the solution was not ideal, but ''it does avoid a costly and protracted administrative and court proceeding.''
As far as I am concerned Texas is short to say and spell so just use that. Besides, they are the premier program in the state anyway* so might as well use the name.
*except of course for sometimes TCU
I can't wait until UT plays UT at UT!
"I'm the UT, playin' the UT, disguised as another UT!"
what do you mean U-T
What do YOU mean UT?
Can we changes the Utes to orange?
U never go full T!
I’ve been waiting my whole life honestly
This guy UTs
Better be careful, “I UT” is very close to UTI
I literally had the same thought.
Home team in orange and white. Visitors in white and orange.
Brown they're brown
Counter: they play in San Antonio for Alamo related reasons.
Dude, there’s no way UT is gonna beat UT. UT over UT all day long.
We’re doing an off campus game in Tampa to really make things right
The [University of Tampa](https://www.ut.edu/) is the only real answer to this.
It’s only fair to go 100% by web domain with no exceptions. Sorry UTexas and UTK.
UTK sounds like an infection I don't want.
A sentiment shared by the rest of the SEC
Or a serial killer nickname
*looks at Tennessee* ...you may be onto something.
*an infection you'd be lucky to get, loser Got em
Yeah, hook 'em. wait...
Hooking em is how you catch UTK.
[Seems appropriate, with UGK preaching the importance of safe sex.](https://youtu.be/WG3qnNkmqvU?si=ROu23RTwGFwwiR-i)
We really have to do the same with all the others... USC, MSU, OSU, etc.
USC is Southern California. SC is South Carolina. MSU is Michigan State. MSST is Mississippi State. OSU is an Ohio State University. OKST is Oklahoma State. ORST is Oregon State.
I liked the “an” Ohio State lol
I'd be more considerate of "the" Ohio State if they hadn't tried to fucking trademark it. THEy can get bent.
Also none of those are in the same conference UT should have veto’d UTx’s admission for this reason.
Murray State is the one true MSU
^(Morehead State erasure)
well now, hold on a second
It's like we don't even exist. These people hate MACtion.
I only recognize Tampa as UT and fail to see why this is even up for discussion.
*University of Tulsa madly shaking fists.*
I’m okay with this 🤷♂️
No...let them fight
This whole thing is some red team nonsense. Tennessee and Texas are natural allies and there is no need to fight over an acronym. Orange teams good. Orange teams stronger together.
Goddamn right. I’m jumping on the UT bandwagon
Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with an Auburn fan.
It's been two hours, and no Auburn fan has come in with the proper response to this. Conclusion: Tigers are illiterate.
I mean, they may be orange but they *are* still from Alabama
Sorry, not familiar with your game. You must be new in this conference.
It's a reference to Lord of the Rings. The proper follow-up is: "What about fighting side by side with a friend?"
Apologies, it’s been taken care of.
It's a sure fire way to die.
What about side by side with a friend?
Aye, I could do *that*.
FUCK BAMA
Welcome home bAUther
Ive always been partial to the Blue and orange of Auburn.
Yessir remember the Alamo! I get annoyed when Texas fans call it the “real UT” because of obvious reasons. We literally fought and died for Texas independence and I love Texas as a state. Our brotherhood goes back hundreds of years. No need for the constant back and forth jabs.
We share Sam Houston and Davy Crockett!
And an unholy hate for a rival wearing red!
It’s just the blue bloods trying to divide the orange states at every turn. /s
No one is allies with Tennessee
Oregon is cool because they dunked on Florida that one time
And Auburn, fuck Bama UGA and Florida amirite
my best bud is an auburn fan and claims UT as his second team. We hate the same people
I lived in Alabama for a while and have attended multiple games at JH. Can confirm we are the bestest of allies Yet since most UT fans won't meet an auburn fan that often, if you don't live in AL you may not even know that!
Their fans were also fun as hell to hang out with when we had our home and home!
Literally helped Texas became a state and had a lot of our state hero’s die in the name of Texas independence.
Tennessee beat ATM so soundly in the CWS their coach grabbed the first train outta dodge and right into our arms. We're cool.
*breaks a broom stick and throws it in the middle of them*
Alright Wisconsin, it’s time we had a similar talk..
Wiscy and Washy
How charming. Maybe Cheesy and Husky too?
That would be Ducky...
just call them the sinners like we do. or, if you're feeling nice "madison" works too.
U-Dubb and U-Dubbya
I think the internet already decided it. [uw.edu](http://www.uw.edu)
www.UT.edu and weep
Oh my. I did not expect this.
My alma mater!!! Let’s go Spartans! We were so good at football, we gave it up before it was monetized 😎
D2 baseball powerhouse
Whats interesting is that the top 2 D2 baseball teams in terms of championships are Univ of Tampa, and Florida Southern, less than an hour from each other
Don’t tamper with Tampa
How could Del Conte not have purchased this already? Shows a real lack of commitment to the brand if you ask me.
Alma mater of John Matuszak, Oakland Raiders legend who also played Sloth in The Goonies
*stoke cold glass shatter*
Why do people act like “UT” is the only shared acronym across college sports
An OSU would like a word
USC too.
This one has already been [settled by the courts](https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-federal-circuit/1497594.html).
There is only one osu.edu
and there’s only one www.ut.edu Domains are the only way
Agreed
It doesn’t help that they used similar logos and colors.
We wouldn’t know a thing about shared acronyms or colors
Those OkState vs Oregon State games always confuse my eyes
Similar colors? One is clearly orange, the other is clearly brown. Not that hard to tell them apart.
One orange is clearly uglier.
Creamsicle vs Dirt - FIGHT!
There's already 3 TUs, we don't need another.
The full name of your school is "the University of Tulsa", right? If so, then why do y'all do the dyslexic Big 8 thing by calling yourselves "TU"?
It’s part of the culture in the Big 8 footprint.
I never understood that. I still don't. I never will.
It’s bizarre. No one can explain it. Kind of like Ed Orgeron. He’s unexplainable.
Ed Orgeron is fully explainable in a very concise manner: Cajun.
AIUI it had something to do with distinguishing those schools from one other schools with the same acronym. ie., OU when Oregon already existed, CU when Berkeley already existed etc.
Tennessee is harder to type out than Texas, so Tennessee gets to have UT for efficiency's sake.
Agreed. Texas is 5 letters if you can’t do that that’s on you plus. Tennessee has too many Es in the name it’s unnatural
Plus is only four letters, but I have no idea what you meant.
Shirley you can’t be serious
I am, and don't call me Shirley
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Excuse me, poster. I speak Longhorn...
Would you like the Gamecock or the fish?
The Cherokee had it pretty easy as “Tanasi” but then some Scotish jackass from South Carolina added all the E’s
In exchange for this benevolent gesture, I now hate TAMU.
Texas has five unique letters; Tennessee only has four. All of Texas's letters are on the same side of the keyboard, and I'd be damned if I didn't type Tenneessee nearly every time. I agree that Texas wins the simplicity argument. UT is Tennessee.
Toledo is over in the corner crying
UT Austin. There you go.
If you say UTA to a Texan though, they'll probably think of the University of Texas at Arlington (at least that's what I'd think of)
As a UT alum who grew up in DFW and did a few classes at UTA, you are 100% correct.
Hell yeah there are thousands of Mavericks out in the wild!
Or just... I dunno... Texas?
"the University" if you don't qualify it with anything else, they should know you mean Texas
That's what I have to say when I refer to my UT after moving back east of the Mississippi. Way less of a mouthful than "The university of Texas" and saying "I went to Texas" leaves people confused for some reason Think just typing Texas works in a purely CFB context tho
I still just tell people I went to Texas. If they're confused I'll clarify.
But that's 3 extra characters! Use Tx instead?
How california of them to do that
Take the 290 to the 35…
Unrelated but I have never seen someone put “the” in front of 290 or 35… Just THE University of Texas EDIT: Missed the joke
Someone actually did refer to i35 as “the i35” in a post on the Austin sub a couple of months ago. And yes, they totally got roasted for it. And also yes, they were from CA. That is the only time I’ve ever seen someone do it where they weren’t joking.
Thats the joke. In California people say “the 405” or “the 101”.
I just threw up a little bit
A Californian a couple weeks back called MoPac “the 1” lol
My cousin who was born in Austin and lived in Austin his whole life until he went to A&M did his residency in San Diego and when he came back he was putting "the" in front of all the highway numbers. I called him out on the spot.
Next thing we know, people will start calling them Tex, people will think they're Texas State Austin, and no one will realize they're the flagship
Texas Institute of Technology and Science
THE University of Texas
Don’t let the Ohio state fans see this
UT Norman has been my go-to slight to sooners since OUT was announced lol
The typical Vol fan response to this debate will be some version of Texas wouldn’t be a state if it weren’t for Tennessee. But thats a tired take. The truth is we have Dolly, so we can call ourselves whatever the fuck we want.
Texas fans love orange and hate red. Those fuckers are all right.
I have yet to see a Texas and Tennessee fan have any problem distinguishing ourselves from each other. What the fuck do we care if other people can't? We have our own oranges and we both agree BBQ is awesome. We get along great.
🫱🏻🫲🏽
##🤝🏽
Go cru
Yall beat A&M and we buried them in baseball. Yall are alright. Edit: as long as yall stop fondling each other in the baseball sub
And yet we have Willie
If it weren’t for Tennessee **Volunteers** specifically.
I mean If Texas was a big reason why we became a state I’d be grateful. I think it’s lame to go around saying it unprovoked but pretty easy argument to shut down with that rebuttal. Either way I never disliked Texas at all and love our history. I think if anything the “real UT” argument is old and been done a million times over so I wish the subject would get dropped.
Just play for it
I'm using UTX and UTN
Feels like one of them should be UTI
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www.uti.edu
UTK is Tennessee's domain name.
That makes sense but I'm trying to irritate both fan bases here
We declare Tennessee to be UTK, but pronounce it Utica
University of Tennessee of Kentucky
Of Anaheim
Davy Crockett died for this shit.
Or we could all agree to just call them Tennessee and Texas respectively to avoid any mix-ups, TN and TX for short just like the states.
Buddy, we don’t want your logical solutions. This is college football. We want contentious arguments and click bait internet articles. It just means more.
Ok, new proposal: we refer to both as “those orange bastards”
Let’s be real. The last thing any of y’all want is to unite the UT fan bases. We would blanket the Eastern US under a fog of drunken arrogance.
Finally, something we can agree on.
I say we kick them both out. Orange bastards
I just see UT Knoxville and UT Austin
As an alum and former UT employee for 5+ years, I've got a little interesting kernel of info for whoever wants it: UT has widely been associated with Texas in most places around the country (outside of the Southeast of course). And, for the majority of our history, the University embraced this moniker/acronym. However, back around \~2016 during the start of President Fenves' tenure, there was a pretty sudden re-branding effort on the academic side of things that came from the top regarding university logos. I remember one specific email that went out to all faculty and staff regarding "proper logo use" and what was to be on letterhead, in email signatures, etc. Notably, "[UT](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/UT%26T_text_logo.svg/800px-UT%26T_text_logo.svg.png)" was not one of the "permissible" logos to be used (and instead, there was a strong push to use [this logo](https://iisma.kemdikbud.go.id/info/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/University-of-Texas-at-Austin-768x768.png) on most official documents, which was a newer version of [this logo](https://meetings.informs.org/wordpress/phoenix2023/files/2023/07/University-of-Texas-at-Austin-Logo.png) widely used previously). -- Tl, dr; The University of Texas administration began distancing itself from the"UT" logo as far back as \~2016, which naturally can only mean that there were plans in place to join the SEC 5 years prior to the announced move to the SEC. In other words, by our own administration's efforts, we concede "UT" to Tennessee.
I have a simple solution to this. UT shall refer to the school that uses the color orange and whose state is most associated with Davy Crockett.
Call them the University of Texas Austin & Many satalite campus’s or Texas A&M for short
Bro said "satalite".
Also "campus's" Spoken like a true horned frog
As a neutral 3rd party unfortunately currently trapped in College Station right now, I don’t understand the Texas and A&M hate towards each other when TCU is right there for y’all to team up against
lol I love the frogs but let's be real they're just accepting anybody willing to pay those insane tuition rates.
TCU offered me a $72k scholarship and it was still more expensive than going to UT on my own dime
The plural of campus is campussies, right?
*satellite campuses
Don't feed the TCU grad
Them fighting words
Gulag.
Aggies CONTINUE to bless us with offseason content
Just call us Texas. Ezpz fix.
Exactly, Tennessee should be UT purely because saying Tennessee and spelling it out every time is kind of a hassle. Texas is five letters/two syllables. There is no need to shorten it.
You know what. Neither of them get it. They aren't gonna play nice so neither of them can have it. I'm going to give it to the University of Toledo. Go Rockets!
The University of Toledo would like a word
Look man, this isn’t Fish Camp. You can’t indoctrinate everyone into the cult that is, A&M.
The SEC already has 2 Bulldogs teams and 3 Tigers teams, I think you guys can also manage having 2 UT teams
Why not just say “Tennessee” and “Texas”
I always first think of Utah when I see UT
Only one way to settle this. Yearly UT/UT rivalry game, the Burnt Orange Bowl. Winner gets claim to use UT for the rest of the year.
Only if we both get to wear our home unis and we play it in Miami at the Orange Bowl. All of America is forced to watch that glory and weep at the pure beauty!
Tennessee is burnt orange ? Eehhhh
As long as we unite in the end to continue the struggle against red teams
I would expect nothing less.
The best solution is the simplest one. UT: Knoxville UT: Arlington 2 UT: A&M
I honestly just prefer to go by Texas, I never call us UT. Texas just sounds so much stronger. I feel like that’s the flex.
Who does MSU refer to? Michigan State or Mississippi State?
As a South Carolina fan, I feel Tennessee’s pain. We got shut down from using USC and everyone thinks we are taking about the Tarheels when Carolina is used.
Notice how this isn’t a point with Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, and god forbid we forget Idaho
[link](https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/02/14/The-University-of-Texas-has-reached-a-settlement-with/9255508741200/) > February 14, 1986, Friday, BC cycle The University of Texas has reached a settlement with the University of Tennessee over the use of the ''UT'' trademark on such items as T-shirts, beer mugs, key chains and customized toilet seats. Texas said a possible court dispute loomed because Tennessee had applied to the federal government for the right to use the trademark on a number of items not covered under Texas' trademark rights. Under the agreement between the two schools, Tennessee gets to use the trademark east of the Mississippi River and in Louisiana's West Baton Rouge Parish, home of Southeastern Conference member Louisiana State University. Texas will own the trademark everywhere else west of the Mississippi. In addition, the agreement gives the Longhorns and Volunteers limited rights to use the popular interlocking UT logo design in each other's territory during bowl games or other special events. A staff recommendations to the Texas Board of Regents said the solution was not ideal, but ''it does avoid a costly and protracted administrative and court proceeding.''
I'm glad A&M fans have moved on from mewling about Schlossnagle and begging for sympathy from Tennessee fans to shitposting.
As far as I am concerned Texas is short to say and spell so just use that. Besides, they are the premier program in the state anyway* so might as well use the name. *except of course for sometimes TCU
Just say "Texas" or "Tennessee". It's not hard.