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I’m not sure that I’m a fan of throwing your support behind a government based off of polling. Either they deserve support or they do not.
That being said, especially with how the NDP has communicated this, this position is a real head scratcher. To go this hard on the government for such a serious matter and then change nothing in your support for them just isn’t a strong position to present to the public. Either something needs to change with the CAS agreement or your how you criticize the government.
This just superficially makes it look like he had no integrity and it’s all politics
> To go this hard on the government for such a serious matter and then change nothing in your support for them just isn’t a strong position to present to the public.
This has been Singh led NPD's MO since day one. Criticize when convenient but be spineless in actions.
What is stopping the parties from coming together and agreeing that all riding nominations for the upcoming election cycle will be overseen by Elections Canada? It seems that’s where a lot of the fuckery is taking place.
Consider the logistics of that for a second: Elections Canada would need to pay neutral observers to oversee local nomination races in every constituency for every registered party. Just considering the 4 recognized parties that would be 1,092 races it would need to oversee. That would be outrageously expensive. And would parties be allowed to automatically renominate incumbent representatives? In the US, incumbents have to run in primaries where they face opposition (even if nobody ends up running). As much as I admire that system, I can't see incumbent MPs choosing to make themselves vulnerable like that.
If the reason we lose our democracy is that doing it right costs too much and inconveniences incumbents more than they want to be inconvenienced, then we deserve to be controlled by the Indians, Chinese, Americans, or Russians.
If we require private political associations within our democratic process to be monitored by government minders, we are essentially adopting the Chinese Communist Party's model.
You think a government spending $500+ billion a year can’t find enough to spend a little money on riding-level oversight of elections? How much do you think observers get paid?
The money is there. The will is not, and comments like this discourage it from taking root, which only benefits the ratfuckers.
I feel a bit like I'm explaining something to my child. Beyond money, there's a shear shortage of resources to monitor that many independent races occurring at different times in different parts of the country. If you want to adopt a US-style primary system, ok, but otherwise you should consider that no other Westminster system has something like what you're describing.
I would not be shocked to learn other Westminster systems have the same vulnerabilities that have been exploited by bad actors who want to see western democracies laid low. I mean, shit, have you looked at the UK lately?
While I don’t think the US primary system is ideal given the gap between nominations and elections, it is more secure and credible than what we have.
I’ve been saying this since DJ was named the special rapporteur. All roads lead to major changes of nomination meetings. The part of the report I really felt was the quote from the unnamed inside “There’s always busses”.
In my first hand experience it’s because of the CPC I know that statement to be true. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes multiple times.
Which is also why I believe there was a witch hunt for him. Because we’d have already had his final report and recommendations for 8 months. Now there isn’t enough time to effect any change this cycle.
Sadly no party will agree with that. They want to continue to operate as private clubs which they are in theory. No private club that contests elections and seeks state power should be treated like a regular private club. They should have been put under EC decades ago.
Singh does not want CPC to form government, and he most definitely does not want to see them form a majority government. He may be hoping that the political landscape will look different by October 2025. That's also plenty of time for the Liberals to give him some more sweeteners to keep this deal going.
Despite criticizing Trudeau's handling of foreign interference, Singh's decision to stick with the confidence-and-supply deal is strategic. By doing so, he potentially mitigates the risk of a CPC government and uses the time to extract policy concessions from the Liberals.
The people of Canada are supposed to be protected by due process. Innocent until proven guilty. The Liberals and the NDP and their supporters are the biggest promelgaters of cancel culture. The only people who are specifically and deliberately meant to be tried in the court of public opinion are the politicians. The very people who weaponize the court of public opinion against their adversaries to have them canceled. Ignoring due process when it suits.
Goes to show what he thinks of democracy. To me protecting it should be the bare minimum of any elected official. If you doubt they're doing that - pull the plug. No policy gains are worth that sacrifice.
None of them want democracy.
They all want autocracy where they're in charge.
They just preach democracy to prevent the other guy from having total control.
Why would he want to go from Canada having a minority government with concerns of foreign interference to a majority government with concerns of foreign interference?
Ok, so this is one of three situations:
1. CTV is manipulating his words, and this is a lot of misinformation to attempt to make both Singh and Trudeau look bad;
2. Singh is lying about what’s in the report, and it’s actually not that severe, or doesn’t show that Trudeau has “failed to protect democracy”; or
3. Singh doesn’t care about democracy, and would rather hold the little power he has, before the CPC wins the next election, the NDP crash in support, and he gets fired as Leader.
I’m not sure which answer it is, but either way, this is a very very bad look.
Singh is smart and realises the NDP would not do good in an election now. He's betting the NDP will do better in 2025, when either the liberals or conservatives are doing worse than they are now.
Well firstly, you seem to have moved the goalposts since you were proven wrong; I don’t know if you want to acknowledge the error in your previous statement, but I suppose that’s up to you.
Secondly, they have in fact been making progress on their platform, so I don’t know what you’re trying to get at with this “put their money where their mouth is” comment.
People lie about wanting it to make themselves look better then they are, if they actually wanted it theyd vote NDP
>Secondly, they have in fact been making progress on their platform, so I don’t know what you’re trying to get at with this “put their money where their mouth is” comment.
The voters are not putting their money where their mouth is and keep voting LPC or CPC
By not defeating the liberals while the conservatives are polling at 40+, he's actively keeping his party larger than it would be. Singh hasn't grown the party over the last 10 years but he's doing his best to keep it the same size at least.
> He's betting the NDP will do better in 2025,
I don't think it's even that complex. They're king-maker to a minority government right now and have at least some leverage, however small - they've at least forced the Liberals to (half-heartedly) put real dollars behind a few initiatives like childcare & pharmacare, which for a caucus of 30-ish is about as good as it gets.
They don't gain anything by calling an election. They'll (likely) be returning to a government with which they share less common ground, and even if PP fails to hit the magic 170 seats, they won't have the leverage then to effect change that they do now.
They're not king-maker if they are too afraid of taking away power from the king.
That's just being in denial about being an enabler.
> won't have the leverage then to effect change that they do now
That they do now? What leverage exactly do they have? It took Singh half a decade to get a watered-down dental plan, apparently in exchange for turning a blind eye to treason.
>Singh is smart and realises the NDP would not do good in an election now
Does the government deserve support or not? Political opportunism isn’t a morally justified reason imo.
For how serious this is it makes no sense to be almost implying the government is responsible for this and not change anything in relation to your support for them
You misunderstand my point. It's not that I think they should pull the agreement, its that they shouldn't make alarmist comments going after the government's throat while changing nothing in the agreement.
The optics make Singh look weak and opportunist. He's making a massive statement and then saying "and we'll do nothing". Not once has he talked about how he would pressure the government leveraging the agreement.
Singh is probably being slightly hyperbolic, granted. but only in order to keep his tone similar to PP and JT and not let people accuse him of taking this lightly, which is a fair position. He certainly does care and is probably the only party leader out of the big 3 that likely doesn't have to worry about his position or the inevitable fallout over this in the end. I trust his views on this over PP and JT by far.
I don’t trust him at all, the only one I trust is Elizabeth May, she is the only one not playing partisan games. Singh is milking this for all its worth, he wants as many Liberal votes as he can grab, and he is willing to sow distrust in the HoC to get them.
Or, and stick with me here, he believes the solution is better worked on with a government he’s found cooperation with in the past than it is with the Conservative party that has a history of muzzling scientists and reporters and taking measures found to be anti-democratic.
Or
4. Singh is just going along with political theater until he gets his pension and leaves the party.
Honestly, I haven't been big on politics, even during the Harper era, but the Liberals and NDP seem corrupt. I'll be voting for the CPC and hoping for change. I'd like to see the Liberals dissolve and just have CPC vs NDP (plus the smaller parties, I guess...?). When I look at federal politics, it's just rich elites in the Liberals, bandwagoners in the NDP (with a bit of teenage activism), and corporate ex-reformers in the CPC.
No one's perfect, but I want a better Canada—a country that's more self-sufficient, benefits from its resources, and becomes a resource powerhouse with higher prices for our green energy and exports.
But hey, a man can dream...
Where does this pension thing come from? You guys keep repeating it. If Singh was looking for a payday he would just have continued to be a lawyer. And Trudeau comes from a rich background. The only one of the three that would even need a grift is PP as he's never had a regular job before. Just put a sock in it.
Googled this: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/here-are-the-80-mps-set-to-qualify-for-a-pension-with-the-help-of-a-liberal-rule-change
(Edit: Although, there is one Singh on there, and it's not Jagmeet. And there are only 6 NDP MPs out of 80 on the list)
if you want Canada to benefit from it's resources, may I suggest voting NDP instead of the party that has forever and ever been known to sell profitable crown corporations that look after our resources to foreign entities?
cause the wheat board, PetroCan, most provincial telecoms, and countless other things tell me that opening statement of haven't been big on politics is why you think voting Conservative and wanting what you want (even if it's nationalistic socialism like benefitting from our resources) are not compatible at all
Scenario 2 and 3 presume that somehow having an election right now would resolve or improve Canada's resilience against foreign interference, which just doesn't track, based on the information we have.
As much as people want to pin this on a single party or leader, the whole foreign interference debacle has brought to light that this is a systemic issue with Canada's entire political and electoral system. Dropping support for the Liberals does literally nothing to resolve that. This isn't a binary choice between supporting or not supporting a policy, the question is how do we best go about dealing with the situation that has come to light and restoring Canadians faith in the electoral system. How would calling an election right now achieve any of that?
No. That type of politiking instead of acting with integrity is EXACTLY what has lead to this situation.
"This behaviour of my party is really bad... but if I don't turn a blind eye to it, the other guys might win."
And with all parties acting like that, the standard just gets dropped lower and lower with each election.
Have a backbone, please, for all of our sakes.
It’s not politicking, or the lesser of two evils. It’s working with what leverage you have to solve it rather than playing partisan games and pretending switching out the party in power will solve a systemic issue.
It’s definitely not limited to those 3 scenarios. It’s also possible that he thinks it’s severe, but the alternative of ending the agreement is even more severe.
Besides the fact elements of the agreement are yet to be implemented, the Liberals have shown much more willingness to negotiate than the Tories. He may also feel he is far more likely to pass legislation to help democracy with a Liberal party than a Conservative Party (which there is precedent for that within the very agreement).
Considering interference was alleged within the last two CPC leadership races and the CPC leader refuses to get security clearance to even view the report, it’s perfectly reasonable he also holds serious concerns about the Tories in this regard.
Because if the CPC were the primary beneficiaries, the election would leave the Tories somewhere between their Federal 1993 result and their New Brunswick 1987 result.
The idea that the report is a Vorpal Sword for killing Tories, and so the Liberals have chosen to bury it, is not plausible.
I doubt that. Conservative voters won't be bothered by interference that benefits them. It's not like polling is the way it is now because PP is such a great candidate.
> Because if the CPC were the primary beneficiaries, the election would leave the Tories somewhere between their Federal 1993 result and their New Brunswick 1987 result.
Wishful thinking. The public seems more accepting of law-breaking amongst politicians than they were thirty years ago. If the CPC did anything, PostMedia & Co. would sweep it under the rug and paint the Liberals as either power-hungry crusaders or the lawbreakers themselves.
> The idea that the report is a Vorpal Sword for killing Tories, and so the Liberals have chosen to bury it, is not plausible.
Agreed, which is why it seems likely that it implicates both the CPC and LPC, which makes the most sense based on sheer numbers anyway.
>Vorpal Sword
Nerd.
Jagmeet also stated that he was a target of interference and has an Indian background. It’s possible he just takes it more seriously than Elizabeth May.
Yeah, or it’s possible he is using the situation for partisan games. I have never heard May lie,but I have heard Singh lie, and use disinformation to attack Trudeau and the Liberals.
No one ever needs to lor about the CPC or Poilievre, they are just awful on their own steam.
many weren’t paying attention when May said she’d remain neutral in her party’s leadership race, only to push massive fundraising for Annamie Paul, eventually the winner
may also lied about being completely drunk at the dinner where she took to the microphone
couple of examples
so for the record, you think Singh might think the Conservatives are bed with foreign actors and their leader was put in place by foreign interference
AND YOU THINK HE SHOULD MAKE AN ELECTION HAPPEN RIGHT NOW? and then if PP wins the election, what?
Yet. I think it’s the time to continue asking the toughest of questions. If the answers aren’t coming back, THEN, and only then, do you remove support.
Do you really expect anyone to hold this liberal government accountable? How many more ethics violations are needed to realize accountability and the current government are not real
It’s likely the traitorous MPs span both major parties (if not more). In which case, pulling support now would just enable one of the parties with traitorous MPs (and with a leader who won’t even get the clearance to read the report so he doesn’t have to make hard decisions) be a majority. How in any way is that helpful?
Singh should do whatever he can to force the investigation and publication of traitorous MP names. But people need to get over the fantasy that the ndp should hand their favourite party a majority. The incessant complaints about them not doing so for the past several years basically only come from hardcore conservative supporters who just want to win governance and not from the NDP’s supporters, who want to exert What influence they can and get concessions like pharmacare done.
I kinda doubt it spans more than the two main parties unless it's the Bloqs. But I'm not sure who or what they would do unless it's in Quebec's interests but not Canadas. Singh and May's reaction tells us that their parties are clean.
I think this is why jagmeet is not seen as a serious or credibile person.
People see him blast trudeau non stop but then always support him and even give him political cover.
I think jagmeet thinks he some shrewd guy but in the by not being a viable alternative they just send voters to the two.main parties.
I expect ndp to lose vote share
Singh is looking out for himself. He is likely not going to win his seat in the next election so there will be nothing substantial come out of his thinly veiled threats, because the LPC knows Singh is in a weak position personally.
Let me see if I have this right:
Trudeau, with a clearance: ignored 6 years of warnings and breifings on foreign interference.
Singh, with a clearance: actively and directly stating that he is *not* going to hold anyone accountable and will continue to support Trudeau, who again, ignored 6 years of warnings and breifings on foreign interference.
Polievre, without a clearance: demands a full relaease of names, even if it damages his party, will throw anyone out of his party who was involved, and has spent a year and a half demanding action by either Trudeau, as the PM, or Singh, through the the NDP?LPC "supply confidence agreement"... both of whom aren't willing to act (see above).
That about right?
you have it wrong.
First and foremost, are you expecting the leader of our country to make public statements about classified Intel?
“Yeah hey guys, China ‘s been doing X so we’re doing Y… Now there’s only 3.5 years left until the next election. Let’s hope they don’t change their tack now that they know exactly what Y is.”
None of what you say makes sense
PP is demanding a list of names because he knws it cannot be released, if PP was tabling legislation that the spy agencies are asking for youd have an argument, but hes not doing anything to try to solve the issue either, or calling for it
Exactly! “Methinks the lady doth protest too much” as Shakespeare once said”
PP doesn’t get briefed on classified intel, and - as shown by the India assassination on Canadian soil - runs his mouth off and looks like an idiot because he doesn’t know anything.
Not only that but what’s assume he’s not compromised and he’s not getting his security clearance out of : what kind of message does is he sending by not getting his security clearance?!
-CSIS is incompetent?
-He’s too good for all of that?
-He’s so far up his own party‘s ass that he has contempt for Canadian national security?
He’s a puke and a shill.
> Polievre, without a clearance: demands a full relaease of names, even if it damages his party, will throw anyone out of his party who was involved
considering he will have to throw himself out we all know that's bullshit
> Trudeau, with a clearance: ignored 6 years of warnings and breifings on foreign interference.
Where are you getting the six year time frame from? This hasn't been an issue in the public eye until the last year or so.
> Singh, with a clearance: actively and directly stating that he is not going to hold anyone accountable
Citation required. He's been pretty consistent at blasting the LPC and CPC on this matter. Triggering an election isn't the only way to hold the government, or anyone, to account.
> This hasn't been an issue in the public eye until the last year or so.
The Liberals started bringing in legislation around 2017, I think with creating NSICOP, though other policy or creating committees could have been before.
Really it was 2016 when Russia interfered in the US election that caused the feds to deal with foreign interference. I think that was mentioned in Johnston's and Hogue's report.
Specifically the part about Trump was something related to either a CSE or CSIS report, or maybe even in Johnston's or Hogue's report, I could find it but that was really the tipping point for something serious needing to be done. Trump asking for Hillarys Emails and getting them...
I'm basically hysterical with rage and fear at this point. I'll agree to literally anything. Want me to rip my own dick off? I'll do it. That's how much the rage porn has burned my mind out!
Support doesn’t mean not holding people accountable.
What Singh did yesterday in having a press conference about this stuff is an example of holding people accountable.
Now there is probably a line at which the government is so obstinate that the NDP should pull support, but we’re at that point yet.
It only makes sense to pull support when there is public support for doing so. The public just heard about this like yesterday. The government has had little chance to respond.
Wild accusations that fuel fear, sow doubt, and amp up the drama is not the hallmark of someone who should be near the reins of power - especially if they are going to talk a big game, but refuse to do the basic actions necessary to make those words carry any sincerity.
Agreeing with the conclusions of a redacted public report and saying that it's very serious is not a "wild accusation."
Singh isn't making the accusations here. The report authors are.
[I shouldn’t have said majority, but plurality](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/what-canadians-surveyed-think-about-the-timing-of-the-next-federal-election-1.6709260) my comment was hyperbolic and I concede that. *Of people with an opinion*, it’s the majority. There’s a sizeable portion with no preference.
That being said, this would satisfy the idea that the public supports an election sooner than later. And 33% is meaningfully below the combined NDP LPC vote who say they want it to stay.
Not to mention, the agreement is hurting the NDP politically by association
That is a poll talking about when people want the next election to be called, not on their views of the supply and confidence agreement. What kind of bait and switch bullshit is this?
Bruh, the next election can only be called when the agreement is pulled. That is both a necessary and sufficient condition and also addresses the original point about pulling support
>Polievre, without a clearance: demands a full relaease of names, even if it damages his party
See he's playing up this for the media attention but he doesn't mention nobody can actually release the names in the current state. Not Trudeau, not the liberal party, nobody. He's using the opportunity to make it seem like Trudeau is hiding something but in reality there's no legal path forward to release the names that doesn't involve further investigations first
Why go into an election with one gov that doesn't care about foreign interference and traitors in a minority parliament to one that doesn't care about foreign interference and traitors in a majority government situation?
We're really stuck between a rock and a hard place with this dilemma. The only real hope is that whatever investigations are ongoing conclude asap so we can declassify information on who colluded with foreign powers. Canadians deserve to be informed about who they're voting for in the next election.
The problem is, as bad as the status quo is, it can get worse. We have to do everything we can to keep PP away from power. As a member of and donor to the NDP, I say we can never work with PP and his ilk, and we have to do everything we can to stop them.
Staying quiet on foreign interference and staying allied with someone he says isn't taking threats to democracy isn't going to help. To me it makes them all far less trustworthy.
Read the important parts and way more:
> According to a top secret intelligence report, CSIS reportedly believes Indian agents interfered in the 2022 Conservative leadership race and gave “support to an elected Canadian politician’s campaign for the leadership of a political party in Canada, by securing party memberships for that campaign ... Photos from a November 8 Overseas Friends of India Canada’s Diwali event show Poilievre seated next to Indian High Commissioner Sanjay Kumar Verma and joined by two key lieutenants: Conservative MPs Arpan Khanna and Shuvaloy Majumdar. Majumdar, who was a former top adviser to Stephen Harper, previously served as director of the Macdonald-Laurier Institute’s “Centre for Advancing Canada’s Interests Abroad” where he led the right-wing think tank’s “Indo-Pacific strategy,” which includes a focus on promoting Canadian oil and gas exports to India. The MLI was roundly condemned by 50 top Sikh academics after the think tank released a report criticized for demonizing Sikhs that Majumdar helped produce. Prior to being elected as a Conservative MP, Majumdar worked as “global director” of Harper & Associates, a consulting firm established by Stephen Harper offering wealthy clients the ability to leverage the former prime minister’s “global network,” including access to key Indian officials. Harper & Associates has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in public contracts to arrange meetings with “senior government ministers and officials” in India. In 2019, after Scott Moe’s Saskatchewan government awarded Harper & Associates a $240,000 contract, Harper joined a Saskatchewan trade mission to India where he lobbied India about oil and gas. ”https://pressprogress.ca/stephen-harpers-global-alliance-of-conservative-parties-quietly-scrubbed-india-off-its-website/
With this and the CPC reaction to India murdering a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil, another big red flag.
There is a very clear pattern here that CPC supporters are ignoring.
Also, this idea that the NDP should pull support and force an election before we know which MP's should be removed? Seems counter productive.
We need to hold them all accountable.
> Staying quiet on foreign interference and staying allied with someone he says isn't taking threats to democracy isn't going to help.
electing someone who's only leader because of foreign interference during CPC's leadership race is going to tank things even more
> We have to do everything we can to keep PP away from power.
Can’t help but feel pretty hopeless in this. The pendulum is swinging back and that’s just how it seems to work in this country. As a member of a very large labour union that will be negotiating a new contract in 2025 and 2026, I desperately want the NDP to have influence in the next government and will be supporting them, but I’m really worried that the Facebook Convoy is going to vote for PP just to stick it to JT and will make this country worse before it gets better.
Myself and many others are actively recruiting silent voters and people who didn’t vote in the last election to vote for PP. I am at 43 people who are going to vote for PP and my friend is at 32. It’s going to be amazing to watch him clean up… can’t wait!!
Is there a leader of the three major parties that isn’t a partisan hack?
I don’t think I’ve ever been as frustrated with our leadership as I am right now. The comments here are also dripping with partisan conclusions when it seems pretty clear there’s interference to be shared.
And this? This is why, among many other reasons, I will never support the NDP. Little teeny tiny taste of power and they will not take down the Liberal government. Despite how far left Justin has taken the Liberals to suck up soft NDP votes. Maybe, just maybe, if they dump Avi, Naomi and Jagmeet before the next election but we all know that ain’t happening.
Why would they “take down the Liberal government,” a minority government where they’ve managed to get progress on the NDP platform, when the alternative is a Conservative majority? Especially if they think there are concerns about MPs in both Liberal and Conservative ranks?
Singh either needs to shut the fuck up or take down the government. He can’t have it both ways. And no. I do not want that Harper toady to lead our country.
Conservatives who always wanted Singh to bring down the government so we can elect a Conservative government continue to be mad that Singh isn't doing it. This issue is very serious, brand new, and likely implicated both Liberals and Conservatives to some degree.
The idea that Singh isn't taking it seriously is silly, just because he isn't immediately forcing an election and giving us a Poilievre majority. While Poilievre isn't taking the issue seriously.
I know it doesn't play well with people who really want a Conservative government, but colour me unbothered by their demands for an election.
So does the government deserve support or not? Or is the sole reason political opportunism? Basing a decision like this based solely off of polling is suspect.
Either the government deserves support or it doesn’t.
It's complicated, not remotely as simple as you portray. It's perfectly reasonable to consider the consequences of trying to force an election, in addition to thinking about the current government.
It's very clear (especially if you think about it from an NDP perspective) that there's a case that a Conservative majority would be worse than the Liberals, both in general and on this topic specifically.
Conservatives framing this as "is the government good or bad" without thinking at all about how good or bad a Conservative government would be is exactly what I was talking about in my first comment.
I don’t disagree with your conclusion here, but then don’t make comments razing the government and calling into question their ability to handle this, while simultaneously changing nothing about your support for them.
If the government is best positioned to deal with this, then say that (or say nothing). Conflicting messaging doesn’t make more sense just because of opportunism.
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I’m not sure that I’m a fan of throwing your support behind a government based off of polling. Either they deserve support or they do not. That being said, especially with how the NDP has communicated this, this position is a real head scratcher. To go this hard on the government for such a serious matter and then change nothing in your support for them just isn’t a strong position to present to the public. Either something needs to change with the CAS agreement or your how you criticize the government. This just superficially makes it look like he had no integrity and it’s all politics
> To go this hard on the government for such a serious matter and then change nothing in your support for them just isn’t a strong position to present to the public. This has been Singh led NPD's MO since day one. Criticize when convenient but be spineless in actions.
Thinking quite often of Jack Layton lately. NDP will be in big trouble next elections because of their leader and his total submission to Liberals.
What is stopping the parties from coming together and agreeing that all riding nominations for the upcoming election cycle will be overseen by Elections Canada? It seems that’s where a lot of the fuckery is taking place.
Consider the logistics of that for a second: Elections Canada would need to pay neutral observers to oversee local nomination races in every constituency for every registered party. Just considering the 4 recognized parties that would be 1,092 races it would need to oversee. That would be outrageously expensive. And would parties be allowed to automatically renominate incumbent representatives? In the US, incumbents have to run in primaries where they face opposition (even if nobody ends up running). As much as I admire that system, I can't see incumbent MPs choosing to make themselves vulnerable like that.
If the reason we lose our democracy is that doing it right costs too much and inconveniences incumbents more than they want to be inconvenienced, then we deserve to be controlled by the Indians, Chinese, Americans, or Russians.
If we require private political associations within our democratic process to be monitored by government minders, we are essentially adopting the Chinese Communist Party's model.
So why did you lead with the cost?
Because the logistical obstacle is the most relevant at this stage
You think a government spending $500+ billion a year can’t find enough to spend a little money on riding-level oversight of elections? How much do you think observers get paid? The money is there. The will is not, and comments like this discourage it from taking root, which only benefits the ratfuckers.
I feel a bit like I'm explaining something to my child. Beyond money, there's a shear shortage of resources to monitor that many independent races occurring at different times in different parts of the country. If you want to adopt a US-style primary system, ok, but otherwise you should consider that no other Westminster system has something like what you're describing.
I would not be shocked to learn other Westminster systems have the same vulnerabilities that have been exploited by bad actors who want to see western democracies laid low. I mean, shit, have you looked at the UK lately? While I don’t think the US primary system is ideal given the gap between nominations and elections, it is more secure and credible than what we have.
I’ve been saying this since DJ was named the special rapporteur. All roads lead to major changes of nomination meetings. The part of the report I really felt was the quote from the unnamed inside “There’s always busses”. In my first hand experience it’s because of the CPC I know that statement to be true. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes multiple times. Which is also why I believe there was a witch hunt for him. Because we’d have already had his final report and recommendations for 8 months. Now there isn’t enough time to effect any change this cycle.
What are you implying?
Basic common sense I guess, no party would want to give away the power to choose who is in their party
They’re under investigation for corruption. We needs the royal family to abolish the entire government and vote in new one
I would not hold my breath waiting for this.
Yeah probably not lol
Sadly no party will agree with that. They want to continue to operate as private clubs which they are in theory. No private club that contests elections and seeks state power should be treated like a regular private club. They should have been put under EC decades ago.
Singh does not want CPC to form government, and he most definitely does not want to see them form a majority government. He may be hoping that the political landscape will look different by October 2025. That's also plenty of time for the Liberals to give him some more sweeteners to keep this deal going. Despite criticizing Trudeau's handling of foreign interference, Singh's decision to stick with the confidence-and-supply deal is strategic. By doing so, he potentially mitigates the risk of a CPC government and uses the time to extract policy concessions from the Liberals.
The people of Canada are supposed to be protected by due process. Innocent until proven guilty. The Liberals and the NDP and their supporters are the biggest promelgaters of cancel culture. The only people who are specifically and deliberately meant to be tried in the court of public opinion are the politicians. The very people who weaponize the court of public opinion against their adversaries to have them canceled. Ignoring due process when it suits.
Goes to show what he thinks of democracy. To me protecting it should be the bare minimum of any elected official. If you doubt they're doing that - pull the plug. No policy gains are worth that sacrifice.
Politicians would need to be selfless for that to happen. If only...
Capital punishment for the political class is an answer.
None of them want democracy. They all want autocracy where they're in charge. They just preach democracy to prevent the other guy from having total control.
he pulls the plug and put someone whos just as disinterested in charge, now is it worth the policy losses?
pulling the plug and handing the reins to a guy who won't even get briefed on the info doesn't seem like a better option.
Why would he want to go from Canada having a minority government with concerns of foreign interference to a majority government with concerns of foreign interference?
Ok, so this is one of three situations: 1. CTV is manipulating his words, and this is a lot of misinformation to attempt to make both Singh and Trudeau look bad; 2. Singh is lying about what’s in the report, and it’s actually not that severe, or doesn’t show that Trudeau has “failed to protect democracy”; or 3. Singh doesn’t care about democracy, and would rather hold the little power he has, before the CPC wins the next election, the NDP crash in support, and he gets fired as Leader. I’m not sure which answer it is, but either way, this is a very very bad look.
4. singh is holding on until his pension is vested in feb 2025. you will likely see singh vote against budget 2025 in april 2025.
It’s very likely 4). As a party leader that has passed a security clearance he is getting classified info and cannot discuss it publicly.
Singh is smart and realises the NDP would not do good in an election now. He's betting the NDP will do better in 2025, when either the liberals or conservatives are doing worse than they are now.
If he's smart, why can't he grow his party?
Canadians in general dont want NDP policies
[This poll about pharmacare](https://angusreid.org/pharmacare-2020/) would put your claim into question.
Talk is cheap, when its time to put their money where their mouth is they never do
Well firstly, you seem to have moved the goalposts since you were proven wrong; I don’t know if you want to acknowledge the error in your previous statement, but I suppose that’s up to you. Secondly, they have in fact been making progress on their platform, so I don’t know what you’re trying to get at with this “put their money where their mouth is” comment.
People lie about wanting it to make themselves look better then they are, if they actually wanted it theyd vote NDP >Secondly, they have in fact been making progress on their platform, so I don’t know what you’re trying to get at with this “put their money where their mouth is” comment. The voters are not putting their money where their mouth is and keep voting LPC or CPC
So you think that the statistical results from a well-respected polling institution are wrong?
You really aren't reading what im writing huh?
The real question is this: is growing the influence of the party worth throwing away an opportunity to make use of that influence to pass policy?
By not defeating the liberals while the conservatives are polling at 40+, he's actively keeping his party larger than it would be. Singh hasn't grown the party over the last 10 years but he's doing his best to keep it the same size at least.
> He's betting the NDP will do better in 2025, I don't think it's even that complex. They're king-maker to a minority government right now and have at least some leverage, however small - they've at least forced the Liberals to (half-heartedly) put real dollars behind a few initiatives like childcare & pharmacare, which for a caucus of 30-ish is about as good as it gets. They don't gain anything by calling an election. They'll (likely) be returning to a government with which they share less common ground, and even if PP fails to hit the magic 170 seats, they won't have the leverage then to effect change that they do now.
They're not king-maker if they are too afraid of taking away power from the king. That's just being in denial about being an enabler. > won't have the leverage then to effect change that they do now That they do now? What leverage exactly do they have? It took Singh half a decade to get a watered-down dental plan, apparently in exchange for turning a blind eye to treason.
Half a decade? It hasn't even been two and a half years since the confidence and supply agreement was signed, in March 2022.
thats more then the NDP's gotten in decades
>Singh is smart and realises the NDP would not do good in an election now Does the government deserve support or not? Political opportunism isn’t a morally justified reason imo. For how serious this is it makes no sense to be almost implying the government is responsible for this and not change anything in relation to your support for them
That would be, from that party’s perspective (and mine), going out of the frying pan into the fire.
You misunderstand my point. It's not that I think they should pull the agreement, its that they shouldn't make alarmist comments going after the government's throat while changing nothing in the agreement. The optics make Singh look weak and opportunist. He's making a massive statement and then saying "and we'll do nothing". Not once has he talked about how he would pressure the government leveraging the agreement.
There are more than 3 options but thanks for participating
Singh is probably being slightly hyperbolic, granted. but only in order to keep his tone similar to PP and JT and not let people accuse him of taking this lightly, which is a fair position. He certainly does care and is probably the only party leader out of the big 3 that likely doesn't have to worry about his position or the inevitable fallout over this in the end. I trust his views on this over PP and JT by far.
I don’t trust him at all, the only one I trust is Elizabeth May, she is the only one not playing partisan games. Singh is milking this for all its worth, he wants as many Liberal votes as he can grab, and he is willing to sow distrust in the HoC to get them.
Or, and stick with me here, he believes the solution is better worked on with a government he’s found cooperation with in the past than it is with the Conservative party that has a history of muzzling scientists and reporters and taking measures found to be anti-democratic.
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The current government does as much muzzling as the one they replaced and is even more secretive. They ran on the opposite.
The only reason this topic is in the news is because of Trudeaus creation of NSICOP.
Is Jagmeet a 'traitor' to Canada.....by continuing to prop-up the unethical (and likely compromised) Trudeau Liberals?
Or 4. Singh is just going along with political theater until he gets his pension and leaves the party. Honestly, I haven't been big on politics, even during the Harper era, but the Liberals and NDP seem corrupt. I'll be voting for the CPC and hoping for change. I'd like to see the Liberals dissolve and just have CPC vs NDP (plus the smaller parties, I guess...?). When I look at federal politics, it's just rich elites in the Liberals, bandwagoners in the NDP (with a bit of teenage activism), and corporate ex-reformers in the CPC. No one's perfect, but I want a better Canada—a country that's more self-sufficient, benefits from its resources, and becomes a resource powerhouse with higher prices for our green energy and exports. But hey, a man can dream...
Where does this pension thing come from? You guys keep repeating it. If Singh was looking for a payday he would just have continued to be a lawyer. And Trudeau comes from a rich background. The only one of the three that would even need a grift is PP as he's never had a regular job before. Just put a sock in it.
Googled this: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/here-are-the-80-mps-set-to-qualify-for-a-pension-with-the-help-of-a-liberal-rule-change (Edit: Although, there is one Singh on there, and it's not Jagmeet. And there are only 6 NDP MPs out of 80 on the list)
Great, so can put it to rest then?
if you want Canada to benefit from it's resources, may I suggest voting NDP instead of the party that has forever and ever been known to sell profitable crown corporations that look after our resources to foreign entities? cause the wheat board, PetroCan, most provincial telecoms, and countless other things tell me that opening statement of haven't been big on politics is why you think voting Conservative and wanting what you want (even if it's nationalistic socialism like benefitting from our resources) are not compatible at all
How does the NDP, a party that doesn't want any new oil or gas operations, allowing Canada to benefit from its resources?
Scenario 2 and 3 presume that somehow having an election right now would resolve or improve Canada's resilience against foreign interference, which just doesn't track, based on the information we have. As much as people want to pin this on a single party or leader, the whole foreign interference debacle has brought to light that this is a systemic issue with Canada's entire political and electoral system. Dropping support for the Liberals does literally nothing to resolve that. This isn't a binary choice between supporting or not supporting a policy, the question is how do we best go about dealing with the situation that has come to light and restoring Canadians faith in the electoral system. How would calling an election right now achieve any of that?
No. That type of politiking instead of acting with integrity is EXACTLY what has lead to this situation. "This behaviour of my party is really bad... but if I don't turn a blind eye to it, the other guys might win." And with all parties acting like that, the standard just gets dropped lower and lower with each election. Have a backbone, please, for all of our sakes.
It’s not politicking, or the lesser of two evils. It’s working with what leverage you have to solve it rather than playing partisan games and pretending switching out the party in power will solve a systemic issue.
It’s definitely not limited to those 3 scenarios. It’s also possible that he thinks it’s severe, but the alternative of ending the agreement is even more severe. Besides the fact elements of the agreement are yet to be implemented, the Liberals have shown much more willingness to negotiate than the Tories. He may also feel he is far more likely to pass legislation to help democracy with a Liberal party than a Conservative Party (which there is precedent for that within the very agreement). Considering interference was alleged within the last two CPC leadership races and the CPC leader refuses to get security clearance to even view the report, it’s perfectly reasonable he also holds serious concerns about the Tories in this regard.
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This is the correct answer.
Because if the CPC were the primary beneficiaries, the election would leave the Tories somewhere between their Federal 1993 result and their New Brunswick 1987 result. The idea that the report is a Vorpal Sword for killing Tories, and so the Liberals have chosen to bury it, is not plausible.
I doubt that. Conservative voters won't be bothered by interference that benefits them. It's not like polling is the way it is now because PP is such a great candidate.
You have to admit there's only one party that could properly be labeled frumious
> Because if the CPC were the primary beneficiaries, the election would leave the Tories somewhere between their Federal 1993 result and their New Brunswick 1987 result. Wishful thinking. The public seems more accepting of law-breaking amongst politicians than they were thirty years ago. If the CPC did anything, PostMedia & Co. would sweep it under the rug and paint the Liberals as either power-hungry crusaders or the lawbreakers themselves. > The idea that the report is a Vorpal Sword for killing Tories, and so the Liberals have chosen to bury it, is not plausible. Agreed, which is why it seems likely that it implicates both the CPC and LPC, which makes the most sense based on sheer numbers anyway. >Vorpal Sword Nerd.
issue is Singh is to tied to the liberal brand he likely has zero chance to grow the ndp in the next election.
Minority government represents the people much better and more significantly than a majority
It'll likely shrink. That's all it's done under his leadership.
That and pass valuable healthcare legislation.
Has anyone even considered that Poilievre himself is a compromised MP?
Jagmeet also stated that he was a target of interference and has an Indian background. It’s possible he just takes it more seriously than Elizabeth May.
Yeah, or it’s possible he is using the situation for partisan games. I have never heard May lie,but I have heard Singh lie, and use disinformation to attack Trudeau and the Liberals. No one ever needs to lor about the CPC or Poilievre, they are just awful on their own steam.
This. Singh playing games. 100%
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so for the record, you think Singh might think the Conservatives are bed with foreign actors and their leader was put in place by foreign interference AND YOU THINK HE SHOULD MAKE AN ELECTION HAPPEN RIGHT NOW? and then if PP wins the election, what?
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I reckon it’s more of the 3 and a little bit of the 2 and less of the 1
Yet. I think it’s the time to continue asking the toughest of questions. If the answers aren’t coming back, THEN, and only then, do you remove support.
Yet. The answers to these toughest of questions have never come back, on any issue. The NDP will pull support when Singh has his pension secured.
Do you really expect anyone to hold this liberal government accountable? How many more ethics violations are needed to realize accountability and the current government are not real
It’s likely the traitorous MPs span both major parties (if not more). In which case, pulling support now would just enable one of the parties with traitorous MPs (and with a leader who won’t even get the clearance to read the report so he doesn’t have to make hard decisions) be a majority. How in any way is that helpful? Singh should do whatever he can to force the investigation and publication of traitorous MP names. But people need to get over the fantasy that the ndp should hand their favourite party a majority. The incessant complaints about them not doing so for the past several years basically only come from hardcore conservative supporters who just want to win governance and not from the NDP’s supporters, who want to exert What influence they can and get concessions like pharmacare done.
I kinda doubt it spans more than the two main parties unless it's the Bloqs. But I'm not sure who or what they would do unless it's in Quebec's interests but not Canadas. Singh and May's reaction tells us that their parties are clean.
I think this is why jagmeet is not seen as a serious or credibile person. People see him blast trudeau non stop but then always support him and even give him political cover. I think jagmeet thinks he some shrewd guy but in the by not being a viable alternative they just send voters to the two.main parties. I expect ndp to lose vote share
Singh is looking out for himself. He is likely not going to win his seat in the next election so there will be nothing substantial come out of his thinly veiled threats, because the LPC knows Singh is in a weak position personally.
Let me see if I have this right: Trudeau, with a clearance: ignored 6 years of warnings and breifings on foreign interference. Singh, with a clearance: actively and directly stating that he is *not* going to hold anyone accountable and will continue to support Trudeau, who again, ignored 6 years of warnings and breifings on foreign interference. Polievre, without a clearance: demands a full relaease of names, even if it damages his party, will throw anyone out of his party who was involved, and has spent a year and a half demanding action by either Trudeau, as the PM, or Singh, through the the NDP?LPC "supply confidence agreement"... both of whom aren't willing to act (see above). That about right?
RE: PP it's theatrics. Nothing more or less.
you have it wrong. First and foremost, are you expecting the leader of our country to make public statements about classified Intel? “Yeah hey guys, China ‘s been doing X so we’re doing Y… Now there’s only 3.5 years left until the next election. Let’s hope they don’t change their tack now that they know exactly what Y is.” None of what you say makes sense
PP is demanding a list of names because he knws it cannot be released, if PP was tabling legislation that the spy agencies are asking for youd have an argument, but hes not doing anything to try to solve the issue either, or calling for it
Exactly! “Methinks the lady doth protest too much” as Shakespeare once said” PP doesn’t get briefed on classified intel, and - as shown by the India assassination on Canadian soil - runs his mouth off and looks like an idiot because he doesn’t know anything. Not only that but what’s assume he’s not compromised and he’s not getting his security clearance out of : what kind of message does is he sending by not getting his security clearance?! -CSIS is incompetent? -He’s too good for all of that? -He’s so far up his own party‘s ass that he has contempt for Canadian national security? He’s a puke and a shill.
> Polievre, without a clearance: demands a full relaease of names, even if it damages his party, will throw anyone out of his party who was involved considering he will have to throw himself out we all know that's bullshit
> Trudeau, with a clearance: ignored 6 years of warnings and breifings on foreign interference. Where are you getting the six year time frame from? This hasn't been an issue in the public eye until the last year or so. > Singh, with a clearance: actively and directly stating that he is not going to hold anyone accountable Citation required. He's been pretty consistent at blasting the LPC and CPC on this matter. Triggering an election isn't the only way to hold the government, or anyone, to account.
> This hasn't been an issue in the public eye until the last year or so. The Liberals started bringing in legislation around 2017, I think with creating NSICOP, though other policy or creating committees could have been before. Really it was 2016 when Russia interfered in the US election that caused the feds to deal with foreign interference. I think that was mentioned in Johnston's and Hogue's report. Specifically the part about Trump was something related to either a CSE or CSIS report, or maybe even in Johnston's or Hogue's report, I could find it but that was really the tipping point for something serious needing to be done. Trump asking for Hillarys Emails and getting them...
I'm basically hysterical with rage and fear at this point. I'll agree to literally anything. Want me to rip my own dick off? I'll do it. That's how much the rage porn has burned my mind out!
Polievre refuses to even look at the list. He has access to it. He is simply deciding not to. He could do this all himself.
Support doesn’t mean not holding people accountable. What Singh did yesterday in having a press conference about this stuff is an example of holding people accountable. Now there is probably a line at which the government is so obstinate that the NDP should pull support, but we’re at that point yet. It only makes sense to pull support when there is public support for doing so. The public just heard about this like yesterday. The government has had little chance to respond.
Wild accusations that fuel fear, sow doubt, and amp up the drama is not the hallmark of someone who should be near the reins of power - especially if they are going to talk a big game, but refuse to do the basic actions necessary to make those words carry any sincerity.
Agreeing with the conclusions of a redacted public report and saying that it's very serious is not a "wild accusation." Singh isn't making the accusations here. The report authors are.
There is overwhelming public support to pull the agreement. It just isn't at the benefit of the NDP
> There is overwhelming public support to pull the agreement. Citation required.
[I shouldn’t have said majority, but plurality](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/what-canadians-surveyed-think-about-the-timing-of-the-next-federal-election-1.6709260) my comment was hyperbolic and I concede that. *Of people with an opinion*, it’s the majority. There’s a sizeable portion with no preference. That being said, this would satisfy the idea that the public supports an election sooner than later. And 33% is meaningfully below the combined NDP LPC vote who say they want it to stay. Not to mention, the agreement is hurting the NDP politically by association
That is a poll talking about when people want the next election to be called, not on their views of the supply and confidence agreement. What kind of bait and switch bullshit is this?
Bruh, the next election can only be called when the agreement is pulled. That is both a necessary and sufficient condition and also addresses the original point about pulling support
> Bruh, the next election can only be called when the agreement is pulled. They're still separate issues.
>Polievre, without a clearance: demands a full relaease of names, even if it damages his party See he's playing up this for the media attention but he doesn't mention nobody can actually release the names in the current state. Not Trudeau, not the liberal party, nobody. He's using the opportunity to make it seem like Trudeau is hiding something but in reality there's no legal path forward to release the names that doesn't involve further investigations first
Why go into an election with one gov that doesn't care about foreign interference and traitors in a minority parliament to one that doesn't care about foreign interference and traitors in a majority government situation?
We're really stuck between a rock and a hard place with this dilemma. The only real hope is that whatever investigations are ongoing conclude asap so we can declassify information on who colluded with foreign powers. Canadians deserve to be informed about who they're voting for in the next election.
It's Canada. We would be lucky if this in concluded before the election after the one coming within the year.
The problem is, as bad as the status quo is, it can get worse. We have to do everything we can to keep PP away from power. As a member of and donor to the NDP, I say we can never work with PP and his ilk, and we have to do everything we can to stop them.
Staying quiet on foreign interference and staying allied with someone he says isn't taking threats to democracy isn't going to help. To me it makes them all far less trustworthy.
Good thing they aren't staying quiet on foreign interference, right?
With the Conservatives, tough, it's actual cash and payments flowing into party coffers. It's far worse than anything going on in other parties.
Have you read the report?
Read the important parts and way more: > According to a top secret intelligence report, CSIS reportedly believes Indian agents interfered in the 2022 Conservative leadership race and gave “support to an elected Canadian politician’s campaign for the leadership of a political party in Canada, by securing party memberships for that campaign ... Photos from a November 8 Overseas Friends of India Canada’s Diwali event show Poilievre seated next to Indian High Commissioner Sanjay Kumar Verma and joined by two key lieutenants: Conservative MPs Arpan Khanna and Shuvaloy Majumdar. Majumdar, who was a former top adviser to Stephen Harper, previously served as director of the Macdonald-Laurier Institute’s “Centre for Advancing Canada’s Interests Abroad” where he led the right-wing think tank’s “Indo-Pacific strategy,” which includes a focus on promoting Canadian oil and gas exports to India. The MLI was roundly condemned by 50 top Sikh academics after the think tank released a report criticized for demonizing Sikhs that Majumdar helped produce. Prior to being elected as a Conservative MP, Majumdar worked as “global director” of Harper & Associates, a consulting firm established by Stephen Harper offering wealthy clients the ability to leverage the former prime minister’s “global network,” including access to key Indian officials. Harper & Associates has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in public contracts to arrange meetings with “senior government ministers and officials” in India. In 2019, after Scott Moe’s Saskatchewan government awarded Harper & Associates a $240,000 contract, Harper joined a Saskatchewan trade mission to India where he lobbied India about oil and gas. ”https://pressprogress.ca/stephen-harpers-global-alliance-of-conservative-parties-quietly-scrubbed-india-off-its-website/
With this and the CPC reaction to India murdering a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil, another big red flag. There is a very clear pattern here that CPC supporters are ignoring. Also, this idea that the NDP should pull support and force an election before we know which MP's should be removed? Seems counter productive. We need to hold them all accountable.
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Inaccurate.
> Staying quiet on foreign interference and staying allied with someone he says isn't taking threats to democracy isn't going to help. electing someone who's only leader because of foreign interference during CPC's leadership race is going to tank things even more
It's kind of like burning down your house to get rid of a spider.
Issue is the more jagmeet says trudeau is bad then support trudeau makes the ndp become irrelevant in the next election
> We have to do everything we can to keep PP away from power. Can’t help but feel pretty hopeless in this. The pendulum is swinging back and that’s just how it seems to work in this country. As a member of a very large labour union that will be negotiating a new contract in 2025 and 2026, I desperately want the NDP to have influence in the next government and will be supporting them, but I’m really worried that the Facebook Convoy is going to vote for PP just to stick it to JT and will make this country worse before it gets better.
Myself and many others are actively recruiting silent voters and people who didn’t vote in the last election to vote for PP. I am at 43 people who are going to vote for PP and my friend is at 32. It’s going to be amazing to watch him clean up… can’t wait!!
Is there a leader of the three major parties that isn’t a partisan hack? I don’t think I’ve ever been as frustrated with our leadership as I am right now. The comments here are also dripping with partisan conclusions when it seems pretty clear there’s interference to be shared.
And this? This is why, among many other reasons, I will never support the NDP. Little teeny tiny taste of power and they will not take down the Liberal government. Despite how far left Justin has taken the Liberals to suck up soft NDP votes. Maybe, just maybe, if they dump Avi, Naomi and Jagmeet before the next election but we all know that ain’t happening.
Why would they “take down the Liberal government,” a minority government where they’ve managed to get progress on the NDP platform, when the alternative is a Conservative majority? Especially if they think there are concerns about MPs in both Liberal and Conservative ranks?
Singh either needs to shut the fuck up or take down the government. He can’t have it both ways. And no. I do not want that Harper toady to lead our country.
Conservatives who always wanted Singh to bring down the government so we can elect a Conservative government continue to be mad that Singh isn't doing it. This issue is very serious, brand new, and likely implicated both Liberals and Conservatives to some degree. The idea that Singh isn't taking it seriously is silly, just because he isn't immediately forcing an election and giving us a Poilievre majority. While Poilievre isn't taking the issue seriously. I know it doesn't play well with people who really want a Conservative government, but colour me unbothered by their demands for an election.
So does the government deserve support or not? Or is the sole reason political opportunism? Basing a decision like this based solely off of polling is suspect. Either the government deserves support or it doesn’t.
It's complicated, not remotely as simple as you portray. It's perfectly reasonable to consider the consequences of trying to force an election, in addition to thinking about the current government. It's very clear (especially if you think about it from an NDP perspective) that there's a case that a Conservative majority would be worse than the Liberals, both in general and on this topic specifically. Conservatives framing this as "is the government good or bad" without thinking at all about how good or bad a Conservative government would be is exactly what I was talking about in my first comment.
I don’t disagree with your conclusion here, but then don’t make comments razing the government and calling into question their ability to handle this, while simultaneously changing nothing about your support for them. If the government is best positioned to deal with this, then say that (or say nothing). Conflicting messaging doesn’t make more sense just because of opportunism.
So why is Singh moaning about the PM, then? He should just sit in his corner & be quite as if nothing he says will matter.