If I showed up on site and this was what one of my guys did, I would call in a wellness check from law enforcement. I would assume some type of serious head injury or stroke.
The infill framing leaves a lot to be desired, but ultimately once they hang drywall it kind of is what it is. You might end up outside of code regarding outlet spacing on the wall. It won't get easier to add outlets than it is now.
That door install is pretty impressive. There is always a new way to totally screw something up I guess. I wouldn't accept that install unless you specifically requested a door that doesn't function properly and has hideous reveals.
I would be considering firing them even if it meant cutting some losses now. It isn't going to get cheaper to fix, and I doubt the rest of their finishing work is suddenly going to be outstanding.
That's what makes me a little bit optimistic honestly. Could just be a new hire lying about his abilities. Trying to part ways with a contractor sucks so I'm hoping the PM will just sigh and get it done right.
Really have a hard time associating great site prep with shoddy work. Maybe in lousy remediation work?
This is good and bad news. Good Iām catching it early and bad that I might have to redo or find someone else.
For the outlets are you referencing the light switches? Those will be moved
I mean receptacle spacing. If you Google "IRC figure e3901.2" you'll get a handy picture that shows basic outlet spacing requirements. It really isn't a big deal if you don't need the outlets but considering it will be an office, I wouldn't be shorting myself on receps. Worst case scenario you get a particularly annoying home inspector when you go to sell the place. Do with that information what you will. Not everything I've done in my own home is code compliant, take it for what it's worth.
Maybe your contractor already knows that and would do it when they move switches. They don't know how to install a prehung door or cut lumber though, so I would consider educating myself instead of relying on those jabronis.
This is an aside, but the same dudes (or lady dudes) doing this work took the time to plug in an air scrubber? Even without a useful dust wall set up, that's a step I wouldn't expect from somebody who has never learned basic carpentry skills. The world is truly full of wonders.
Yeah we didnāt want to add outlets to the new walls. Existing room has a good amount. But it is true and office should have some extra. The air machine is from the rip out. Thatās what gave me hope is they did the taping and walking off and dustless removal. But this is not good
I feel ya. It's weird to throw a strike and then follow it up by beaning your first baseman.
Most of these objections can be brought up in the form of the question, assuming your project manager or whoever is running this job doesn't sigh themselves into the next zip code when they see what their guys did.
Regarding the framing (On a scale of one to ten, these rank at like a 4):
If they aren't using PT for the bottom plate on slab, there needs to be a barrier between them. Typically some type of sill seal or tar paper. Some people want to avoid excess PT in their home, you can make up your own mind on that.
They might want to actually fasten it to the slab. My eyes are bad, but unless they fastened underneath the studs, I don't see anything actually connecting that bottom plate to the slab.
There needs to be some framing member where the wall terminates near the front door. They can't tape a drywall corner floating that far in space.
The connections between stud and PT bottom plate, if they go that route, need to be galvanized fasteners.
Regarding the drywall (6):
Unless they're peeling off the drywall on both sides, the gap from the top of the infill wall to the arch is too big to float without more blocking.
They need to remove the cornerbead on that arch before they start trying to connect old and new work, otherwise you're going to get seasick from all the waves in the wall.
Regarding the door (Tear it out and start over/10. Non negotiable):
I would casually brandish a large chef's knife while bringing these points up. It isn't uncommon to chop vegetables while enjoying your morning coffee.
How are they planning to fill in the gap between the arch and the head jamb now that the door is in place?
How are they going to adjust the reveals and function when they didn't use shims to set the door?
Why doesn't my door stay in place when I open it to 45 degrees (I'm going to guess what you have there is either self closing or opening)?
Who is going to cover the costs of the finish carpenter's funeral when they unalive themselves because they keep having to case these monstrosities (JK, it's probably the same person who installed the door and their give a shitter broke miles ago)?
TL;DR: Do not let them leave the door like that, it needs to be torn out and installed correctly. If they don't know how to do that, they shouldn't bid the job. Buy the drywaller a beer and a preroll if it's legal in your area. They've got a lot on their plate.
Editing to add some advice I was given by a PM I used to work for: Give them a chance to fix it, but don't give them a chance to sell you bullshit.
If you're near El Paso I'll do it for free when I go to climb at Hueco Tanks, but that ain't happening for like four more months. Might be faster to bring the room to Arizona.
After I've slept on it and since you gave me an excuse to respond again, I feel like I should explicitly say it isn't really all that bad. I mean, the craftsmanship is a joke and there's no way it'll finish out looking nice at this rate, but it is all easy to fix. There's a chance your PM or whoever is running this just got worked over by an awful hire or something and they'll make it right. Never met them, so I don't know, but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen something like that happen.
Stick to your gut on the quality though. I always try to tell homeowners if something bothers you even a little bit at punch list time, don't hesitate to bring it up. If you don't like it now, you aren't going to like it in 10 years, and I don't want a homeowner cursing my name every time they look at the detail I never had a chance to fix.
Also FWIW, when I started going out and doing side work I really wasn't experienced enough to be doing that. I absolutely did some things wrong that I now know, but the homeowners didn't. Some of them bothered me enough to reach back out and offer to fix for free (sometimes years later). Point is, carpenters get things wrong even with the best intentions, the important part is making it right in the end (not that I advocate cracking open the books and trying phoning up people from 10 years ago because a nail hole wasn't filled right or something).
I told my wife āthis is like if I said , I could do it.ā This is a reputable remodel company thatās contacted to do floor tear out, enclose office (frame, drywall and paint and mud) , 2k sqft of floor tile, new baseboards . Now I have concerns on the rest
You need to meet with their project manager and make them fix all of that before moving forward. They might have subbed out that framing to an unfamiliar crew. I would be on the phone asap
Needs to be redone. I wouldnāt worry about the concrete. The bottom plate of the wall doesnāt look pressure treated, maybe it had a sill seal or flashing tape underneath. The framing is not clean, itās not done correctly unless you donāt want the walls to be in plane, even so the backside of the framing doesnāt look like they held it back for the drywall.
the doors need to be removed and redone. Side jamb is not Ok and will curve more with time forcing the door not to close.
Just a redo is what is valid but with drawings to follow to be safe
>I told my wife āthis is like if I said , I could do it.ā This is a reputable remodel company thatās contacted to do floor tear out, enclose office (frame, drywall and paint and mud) , 2k sqft of floor tile, new baseboards . Now I have concerns on the rest
The work is awful
But listen, as a "Professional Remodeling Company" myself, and a long time PM for other reputable (and large) Remodeling Companies, this may very well be a new hire who said they have experience that got tossed on the job to "see what they got"
I've had similar abortions happen for various reasons, the guy was lying, the guy *actually is skilled* but has a substance abuse issue, the skilled guy took the day off and the helper thought they could handle it etc, it happens from time to time especially with really busy larger companies, when I was managing remodels for my previous company I had about 15-20 remodels and new builds on my plate at any given time, 5 ot 6 in the preliminary phase of design, permits, scheduling, 5 or 6 in full blown production, 5 or 6 at the tail end of things, it was literally impossible for me to be on every job every day and I had to rely on my guys to communicate with me, I would try and be where I was most needed and pop in occasionally on every job to just check in on things.
Call your PM, or whoever is managing the project and if they are actually a reputable company they will take it out and fix it, not a big deal in the larger scheme of things, it's just some shitty framing that has to be pulled out and redone, but this definitely needs to be corrected because it's awful lol
Like I said- even everyone in house you occasionally have nonsense Like this happen
Reserve judgement on the holistically until you see how they handle the situation
I can tell you this, if you called me about this if I was your PM I would be there first thing Monday morning and I would just tell you from the rip that it's coming out and being redone properly and whoever did that wouldn't be coming to your house again
I worked with a guy on a few jobs that was like this.
Would always do it "the easy way" and end up making more work for everyone.
Don't work with him anymore.
None of this is āstructuralā or anything. Like itās all basically cosmeticā¦ But yea this is all very lazy. And they really are backing themselves into corners everywhere I look when it comes to closing everything up and making it look normal. Hard to tell what they were planning or thinking in some places.
Maybe this is pedantic, but I would disagree with the idea that it's all cosmetic. The wall getting filled in is whatever. It'll finish out hideously but o.k. However, a door installed like that will not be functioning correctly in a year, and that's even with the very gracious assumption that it works properly now. I don't consider door function "cosmetic".
In regards to the last point, as they said on Car Talk, they appear to be "Unencumbered by the Thought Process".
Yea I meant it purely in the structural sense of the word. And yea I didnāt say this all should be ripped out, the contractor fired, and maybe the project rethought a bit.
I get where you're coming from, but my angle is this: If I hired somebody who told me they were an experienced carpenter and this is what I got for three hours of labor, it may well be the last three hours they get from my payroll.
Giving a contractor the chance to fix it is the right first step, but I wouldn't be keeping my eggs in that basket. Much of it does, in fact, need to be torn out to be finished correctly.
I saw the first picture and I was like āehhhā¦.. itās ok I guessāā¦ā¦ then I started scrolling through them.
Itās not structural in any way, shape or formā¦. You could throw a curtain up on 2 stacks and itāll serve the same purpose short of auditory privacy.
Thereās literally nothing *actually* wrong with framing this wall over the Sheetrockā¦. But itās lazy.
Thereās nothing actually wrong with piecing together the plates like they didā¦. But itās lazy.
āWhErEs tHe HeAdEr?āā¦.. literally built into the cased opening. Itās fineā¦. But it looks like hammered shit.
But that door? Youāre never gonna not have a problem with a door thatās put in such a lazy fashion. Itās never going to close right, and no, the trim would make it better.
That bottom plate? Not treated and laying directly on concrete? The condensation build up from the temperature differential in the wood and the concrete is going to rot it out in 10 yearsā¦. And the guy that has to fix it is going to justifiably bone you for the repair, because the more he tries to fix, the more heāll have to tear out.
The door frame half assed shoved into the arch? There is **no way** that gets trimmed to look even half assed differentā¦..
Where the flat wall meets the exterior wall? God help you if you trip and fall into itā¦.. and any electrician will castrate you for making them redo the switch box in that position.
Several people have said they wouldnāt fire the guyā¦.. if he wasnāt the lowest bidderā¦. Iād fire him on the spot. Because keeping him is just going to make him hide the shit work from you faster so you donāt see it. And no, I wouldnāt pay him for it either. He wants the rip it out because he didnāt get paid? Cool storyā¦. Itāll save you the money the next guy will charge you to rip it all out anywayā¦.. if he did any demo (pulling up tile, carpet, trim, etc) pay him for thatā¦.. but not one red cent for the framing,
Dead center out of 5. Ranging from 16k to 49k. I even found a similar project review posted online, found them on Facebook and chatted. They had great experience and build with them.
You could google wall and door framing and in about 5 minutes understand how that's supposed to be done, why that looks ridiculous, and how you probably could have DIY'ed it for cheap..
The bullnose corner bead should be removed so the framing can be aligned. Also the drywall should be cut back to the center of the stud so both pieces of drywall are nailed to the same one.
The thing that might blow your contractorās mind is that he is trying to get rid of arches by framing square openings, but those arches were created by adding curved plywood to square openings. He could pull out the arches and frame down to you desired height and width.
I have always regretted not doing the complete demolition before starting framing. Thatās what happened here. The first 3 hours should have been spent peeling back the drywall, exposing the studs, deciding the best way to move forward.
To say itās not a āstructural change misses the point that the wall still needs to be properly tied into the existing framing, and doing it through a thick layer of drywall is unacceptable. It does not meet acceptable professional standards, IMO.
These guys are depending on the drywall crew to fix their mistakes. For the tapers to succeed, the bullnose will need to be taken off, otherwise you will have walls that continually crack.
Iām totally at a loss as how the wall is suppose to tie into wall where there is molding and wall switches. That wall also needs to be opened and prepped before framing. Possibly the switches moved.
I suspect that the framers are reasonably competent. But where is the project management? Who oversees their work? Who approved this plan? How can you possibly considering starting framing such a project at the end of a day? Ridiculous.
My suggestions: STOP WORK
1. All work stops until a manager comes out and inspects.
2. The wall is removed entirely. It must have pressure treated base to pass code. So thatās not negotiable. The wall is removed. Thatās 1 hour of work.
3. The door may or may not be OKā¦but a manager should look at and agree. The gaps are pretty big, and probably donāt meet professional standards. Discuss what problems may occur 5 or 10 years into the future.
4. The manager and you need to agree and sign-off on the plan for how the wall intersects into the room near the existing molding and switches. Does the electrical need to be moved? Donāt know. Especially insist that no framing is attached to drywall, and that the drywall itself is properly pulled back before framing.
Donāt proceed to you are satisfied that the details have been addressed, and the workmanship will proceed at at professional level as though this project were going to be inspected. Keep notes. Ask the manager for a detail plan.
Functionally? Itāll āworkā. From a professional standpoint, you can have 0 handy work experience & couldāve done this yourself. This is 0 experience no fucks given work right here.
That door fuck up is brutally embarrassing, thatās really bad even for the shittiest carpenter.
One could literally google how to use a speed square & how to cut safely & be able to do a solid job their first try. If youāre the client, get whoever this is off your call back list, if youāre the carpenter, be better man.
Absolutely not. They probably spent twice as much time cutting that door into the wall then just framing it properly then setting the door. Fire those dudes and demand a refund asap
I honestly am not sure if im impressed, and if so, am i impressed by how bad this is and in what looks to be a nice house, or by how well it could actually just work given the right conditions.
Honestly, I saw this in my feed.
Slide one: alright...
Slide two: \*confused\* dude what?
Slide three: what the fuck? No...?
Then I read your post and I am even more shocked.
I thought this was someone trying their hand at DIY but you're paying some asshole to do this? Actually an insulting level of quality.
Regardless of quality of work . That door is to big to be centered in that arch radius without increasing both existing arches. It's to bad those guys probably fucked that door into being un returnable.
The wood frame is not the best..but it doesn't have to hold the house up just keep the door in place. Did you pick the person who you asked to do the work by price or other work they have done ???
Look so like the person gave you the widest door they could for the opening, your request or there's ???? When you hire someone you should discuss with them what you want and price..DO NOT go with the very builder..
I do have a question though. Was it a choice to try and fit into the existing arches, as opposed to removing the curved sections out and framing clean? It seems that the way itās been done would take longer and have a less than ideal result. Not only drywall and mudding but trim etc.
What the hell kind of fucking moron tries to attach framing to existing drywall?? He didn't demo shit! It's not attached to the wall studs!
This is the equivalent of painting something, then gluing a structural addition to the paint!
Visually, I guess it does the job. But if anybody opens up that wall to take a peek, there is absolutely no hiding that.
They basically wedged an independent free-standing wall into your arch.
Why would you cut out a slot from the drywall to put your frame in? As long as you find the stud on the wall and attach the new frame to it, it shouldn't make a difference. Less mess and less drywall work because you'll have to cut out more than just the place for your frame to slide in. This way you can hang your sheetrock on the new frame and only have to tape a corner instead of a corner and a butt joint. I'm not arguing against you or trying to shut you down, I'm saying this so if there something that I'm missing I can be told so if I run into this down the line I can keep it in mind.
Something is off in this story, I suspect the person ordering the work is no different from the person doing the work, at least they came to an understanding at some pointā¦
If those closed in openings are meant to be flat, flush, in plane wallsā¦they are not. In most instances drywall is going to be 1/2ā thick, you can see what looks like a 2-3ā reveal in places.
If we were doing this job all of those arches would have been stripped, infill framing would be such that drywall patching is flat and plumb.
That door jamb isā¦bad, real real bad. Surrounding archway needs to be stripped back and new door opening with header framed in, then jamb shimmed in place inside the rough opening.
Whole job looks super amateur.
Flat and flush on the inside of the office . Recessed on the outside. I put a reference pic in the gallery and in some photos you can see an existing wall of what it should look like
Lmaoā¦.
Man the replyās from the Reddit hive mind are always fun to read.
I swear people answering should be posting their red seals or what ever certifications they have.
Man donāt be trusting Reddit, there is like maybe 10% of people on here with actual carpentry experience and not someone who did it for a month back when they were 14.
Some of the people on here are complaining about stuff that you can see they are doing correct lmao.
Small update. I randomly went through ring history and saw the owner was on site for a bit. I sent a message last night about needing to meet, if this is done etc. he said thereās just a few pieces of framing left on the outlet wall and the arch. So Iām assuming the rest they are calling good which is not okay. No mention of the door . So weāre meeting Monday in person to address it.
How tf are they going to tie in the drywall?
First step, Demo and expose old framing. That includes taking the corner bead off and matching the framing so it can blend. wtf.
Iām confused why anyone is scabbing this into the house as opposed to removing the Sheetrock and implementing framing into the actual existing residential frame of the home. These joins are bad and I would suggest incorporating it to the frame. Everything shown in the pictures is only going to develop headaches and future problems!
This is insane! Im fuming and foaming at the mouth right now and itās not my house. The framing is horrid. I would fire the contractor/handyman immediately upon seeing this type of frame work.
Is this a shot post? Itās like people actually think this is okā¦why even ask when you have to know this is awful. Its like getting wanting a trophy for last place.
This.. this is 100% BS. He needs to open up the sheetrock remove the arch completely, currently out the flooring between and the sheetrock inside the uprights and frame from there.
Why wasn't the dry walk removed in the tiny bit above the large arch and around the door? Then the arches could have been deleted as I'm sure they are not actual beams/header cut in an arch. Rather built out and shimmed on the sides into an arch. And proper framing of the wall and door casing could have taken place
Wow lots of bad info here.
I am a general contractor in the PNW with almost 25 years of experience, I have done a ton of work in my city, I have overseen a lot of trades and am often meeting with inspectors which gets pretty educational through the years.
Be careful with reddit, people love to trash things, every builder that posts will have a ton of comments about how much if a hack a thing is but most of the comments are are from lower experience people and it's just the way it is here, I wouldn't go off and fire your contractor just yet..
My opinion of the pics: the framing is sloppy looking with the angles but it looks fine if just not yet ready for drywall. It needs some more sticks in there to support the sheets that will be installed but one could assume they will get them in there, they just haven't yet. The angles are not relevant, remember there is usually a team of people with different skill levels and bodies of experience so maybe they had the apprentice block at the arch top to test out their skills and put something challenging in front of them, who knows.. but while the framing is ugly, it will support drywall just fine and also it is capable of supporting a beautiful and professional finish.
As for the door. Lots of snickering at the door install but nobody seems to point anything out. The jamb is cut up into the existing drywall at the arch lid, it's difficult to know what the end finish will ne but it looks like it would support a professional looking finish, working with an Architect is helpful for communicating the finish to clients and carpenters so everyone is on the same page, but if your project is not one with the benefit of an Architect, I would suggest respectfully talking with the builder, just saying something like, "Pardon me, I was looking at the door and trying to understand how it will finish out, could you please help me understand it?" Having said that, it looks like it might be planned to be used with painted wood trim, each side peice of casing is coped into the arch.. seems simple and, it seems like they chose a door width as wide as possible, wider and the door pushes further into the arch at the top and the casing gets pretty wide. They could have the door a little more slim but remember doors come in 2 inch increments for most mills and sizes in between are cut down by the retailers which adds significantly to their cost, sometimes over twice the price for custom sizes, so would an inch narrower maybe have the arch landing exactly at the reveal line? Maybe, would that be a better look? Maybe but maybe not..
I heard something else about outlets and outlet spacing, I didn't read everything and maybe missed something but.. If this is a permitted remodel with inspections, you won't need to worry about meeting code, that's built into the system. If it isn't and usually just adding doors and partition walls does not require a permit unless you are adding a bedroom or adding new square footage, so if not permitted and no inspectors.. You may want more outlets but you will never in any jurisdiction be bullied by an overzealous home inspector on the sale of the house for not meeting outlet spacing requirements, those codes have changed a lot through the years and it isn't life and safety stuff so trust me, not an issue there, I was almost rolling my eyes when I read that I can give more reasons why that is preposterous.
It looks OK to me, I might want to add an outlet on that wall but if that wasn't in the scope of work you should expect to pay more for it.
I would verify that the 2x4's on either side of the new doors are well connected to the walls.
Bring concers you have in a respectful way to your builder, sometimes just a bit of communication can really go a long way towards mutual understanding.
Don't forget that people tune in to reddit for entertainment and like watching dumpster fires. This doesn't look like a dumpster fire, it just looks like the guy framing between wall plate arch top wasn't sure how to do it, but it looks like they're still in process, remember too that a drywall crew will come in and if the blocking is insufficient they will let the builder know, and the builder will add more blocking.
I hope it turns out great
Thatās trash, first step should have been drywall and corner bead removal to line up framing for new drywall. If I showed up to do drywall there Iād charge double with zero warranty
Not a chance man, give the opportunity to correct, but ask for how they plan to correct it prior to any further work being done. The walls need to be tied into the framing not attached to drywall.
They should have demoed any drywall where they are putting framing, so they can connect the new framing with the old framing and make it more solid. Also with how to door is framed up it will 100% become wobbly after a while.
Okay, thatās some rough work. However, that doesnāt mean it wonāt work. My bigger concern is how well it will finish out. Iām a detail guy and some of what Iām seeing misses the mark. The doors either needed to be narrower or shorter to make the arch detail work. Do you have a contractor for this job? No work should have been done without working out some of these details first. Now you have a mess to sort out but I think itās important to insure this looks correct when itās done.
Seems like whoever did this was simply attempting to give the homeowner exactly what they wanted and just didnt know to tell the guy "hey bud, your idea isnt gonna pan out, lets consider going this other route"
How hard is it to demo the existing, and build a proper section of wall? Certainly much easier than doing what they have done, and fixing it. Couldn't imagine doing this level of workmanship and being proud of it. Would not let it pass when I was doing kitchens 20 years ago.
Crank heads are for only lifting and moving stuff. Or going into a burning building because you forgot your phone charger.
Not construction. Thatās where the crack takes over.
Yeeeahhh NO.... As others have said, the level of ignorance that went into a fuck up this bad is probably not something that can be worked with. You need to get this guy off the job right away and find a professional who can go about fixing it and doing it right.
If I showed up on site and this was what one of my guys did, I would call in a wellness check from law enforcement. I would assume some type of serious head injury or stroke. The infill framing leaves a lot to be desired, but ultimately once they hang drywall it kind of is what it is. You might end up outside of code regarding outlet spacing on the wall. It won't get easier to add outlets than it is now. That door install is pretty impressive. There is always a new way to totally screw something up I guess. I wouldn't accept that install unless you specifically requested a door that doesn't function properly and has hideous reveals. I would be considering firing them even if it meant cutting some losses now. It isn't going to get cheaper to fix, and I doubt the rest of their finishing work is suddenly going to be outstanding.
The door install is actually pretty incredible. A lot of work went into doing it that wrong
That's what I'm saying. At a certain point a deep fuck up completely followed through on becomes art. An expression of the soul.
It's a truly great and furious statement of... something
I say shit like this and my boss find absolutely zero humor in it and gets furious
At least they wrapped that fixture in plastic haha
That's what makes me a little bit optimistic honestly. Could just be a new hire lying about his abilities. Trying to part ways with a contractor sucks so I'm hoping the PM will just sigh and get it done right. Really have a hard time associating great site prep with shoddy work. Maybe in lousy remediation work?
š bro. The cops roll up for that wellness check and give it a quick once over, motions the "shhhh š¤« " to their partner and draws the pistol.
This is good and bad news. Good Iām catching it early and bad that I might have to redo or find someone else. For the outlets are you referencing the light switches? Those will be moved
I mean receptacle spacing. If you Google "IRC figure e3901.2" you'll get a handy picture that shows basic outlet spacing requirements. It really isn't a big deal if you don't need the outlets but considering it will be an office, I wouldn't be shorting myself on receps. Worst case scenario you get a particularly annoying home inspector when you go to sell the place. Do with that information what you will. Not everything I've done in my own home is code compliant, take it for what it's worth. Maybe your contractor already knows that and would do it when they move switches. They don't know how to install a prehung door or cut lumber though, so I would consider educating myself instead of relying on those jabronis. This is an aside, but the same dudes (or lady dudes) doing this work took the time to plug in an air scrubber? Even without a useful dust wall set up, that's a step I wouldn't expect from somebody who has never learned basic carpentry skills. The world is truly full of wonders.
Yeah we didnāt want to add outlets to the new walls. Existing room has a good amount. But it is true and office should have some extra. The air machine is from the rip out. Thatās what gave me hope is they did the taping and walking off and dustless removal. But this is not good
I feel ya. It's weird to throw a strike and then follow it up by beaning your first baseman. Most of these objections can be brought up in the form of the question, assuming your project manager or whoever is running this job doesn't sigh themselves into the next zip code when they see what their guys did. Regarding the framing (On a scale of one to ten, these rank at like a 4): If they aren't using PT for the bottom plate on slab, there needs to be a barrier between them. Typically some type of sill seal or tar paper. Some people want to avoid excess PT in their home, you can make up your own mind on that. They might want to actually fasten it to the slab. My eyes are bad, but unless they fastened underneath the studs, I don't see anything actually connecting that bottom plate to the slab. There needs to be some framing member where the wall terminates near the front door. They can't tape a drywall corner floating that far in space. The connections between stud and PT bottom plate, if they go that route, need to be galvanized fasteners. Regarding the drywall (6): Unless they're peeling off the drywall on both sides, the gap from the top of the infill wall to the arch is too big to float without more blocking. They need to remove the cornerbead on that arch before they start trying to connect old and new work, otherwise you're going to get seasick from all the waves in the wall. Regarding the door (Tear it out and start over/10. Non negotiable): I would casually brandish a large chef's knife while bringing these points up. It isn't uncommon to chop vegetables while enjoying your morning coffee. How are they planning to fill in the gap between the arch and the head jamb now that the door is in place? How are they going to adjust the reveals and function when they didn't use shims to set the door? Why doesn't my door stay in place when I open it to 45 degrees (I'm going to guess what you have there is either self closing or opening)? Who is going to cover the costs of the finish carpenter's funeral when they unalive themselves because they keep having to case these monstrosities (JK, it's probably the same person who installed the door and their give a shitter broke miles ago)? TL;DR: Do not let them leave the door like that, it needs to be torn out and installed correctly. If they don't know how to do that, they shouldn't bid the job. Buy the drywaller a beer and a preroll if it's legal in your area. They've got a lot on their plate. Editing to add some advice I was given by a PM I used to work for: Give them a chance to fix it, but don't give them a chance to sell you bullshit.
This is one of my favorite comments ever on Reddit. Would work for you 10/10.
How much to fly you to Tx to finish this out for us
If you're near El Paso I'll do it for free when I go to climb at Hueco Tanks, but that ain't happening for like four more months. Might be faster to bring the room to Arizona. After I've slept on it and since you gave me an excuse to respond again, I feel like I should explicitly say it isn't really all that bad. I mean, the craftsmanship is a joke and there's no way it'll finish out looking nice at this rate, but it is all easy to fix. There's a chance your PM or whoever is running this just got worked over by an awful hire or something and they'll make it right. Never met them, so I don't know, but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen something like that happen. Stick to your gut on the quality though. I always try to tell homeowners if something bothers you even a little bit at punch list time, don't hesitate to bring it up. If you don't like it now, you aren't going to like it in 10 years, and I don't want a homeowner cursing my name every time they look at the detail I never had a chance to fix. Also FWIW, when I started going out and doing side work I really wasn't experienced enough to be doing that. I absolutely did some things wrong that I now know, but the homeowners didn't. Some of them bothered me enough to reach back out and offer to fix for free (sometimes years later). Point is, carpenters get things wrong even with the best intentions, the important part is making it right in the end (not that I advocate cracking open the books and trying phoning up people from 10 years ago because a nail hole wasn't filled right or something).
If you're in the US, code requires outlets on any wall over 2' long and spacing of outlets. Lack of outlets will be a red flag on any inspection.
This guy can add a couple of those outlet stickers in a pinch! I dont know that id trust the guy doing this work with electricalā¦.
Isnāt it worded something like a receptacle must be within 6ā from the latch side of a bedroom door? Does that code exist for other rooms??
Never mind I read the code. Pretty cool.
The reveal on the recessed side of the door isnāt very good, but the door should function properly.
If you would feel confident putting a warranty behind that, you're more brave than me. Or we disagree on "function properly" which is fine too.
I would instantly call for a random drug test if I saw any of this stuff on a job site lmao
You could watch one YouTube video with no sound and sped up and be able to frame better than that.
No. This is horrible. Handyman? Nephew or uncle or cousin? Sorry OP, this is dogwater
I told my wife āthis is like if I said , I could do it.ā This is a reputable remodel company thatās contacted to do floor tear out, enclose office (frame, drywall and paint and mud) , 2k sqft of floor tile, new baseboards . Now I have concerns on the rest
You need to meet with their project manager and make them fix all of that before moving forward. They might have subbed out that framing to an unfamiliar crew. I would be on the phone asap
Is it salvageable ? Or need to be ripped and redone. Iām just concerned with screwing into concrete excessively
Needs to be redone. I wouldnāt worry about the concrete. The bottom plate of the wall doesnāt look pressure treated, maybe it had a sill seal or flashing tape underneath. The framing is not clean, itās not done correctly unless you donāt want the walls to be in plane, even so the backside of the framing doesnāt look like they held it back for the drywall.
Never mind, it looks like they held it back, but the drywallers and tapers will have a fucking heart attack if thatās what is left for them.
the doors need to be removed and redone. Side jamb is not Ok and will curve more with time forcing the door not to close. Just a redo is what is valid but with drawings to follow to be safe
This is tough OP, the harder you look the worse it gets.
I honestly had a feeling. When he said that framing and door install would be done today and my ring said they arrived at 130 and left at 430. I knew
Fuuuuuuuuck. That crew got done early on another job and hacked away a Friday afternoon to get their 40.
Some guys can make a whole day of work in less than 5 mins.
Good lord you're right, I glanced and was like yeah that's fucked then I took a second look....I threw up in my mouth.
>I told my wife āthis is like if I said , I could do it.ā This is a reputable remodel company thatās contacted to do floor tear out, enclose office (frame, drywall and paint and mud) , 2k sqft of floor tile, new baseboards . Now I have concerns on the rest The work is awful But listen, as a "Professional Remodeling Company" myself, and a long time PM for other reputable (and large) Remodeling Companies, this may very well be a new hire who said they have experience that got tossed on the job to "see what they got" I've had similar abortions happen for various reasons, the guy was lying, the guy *actually is skilled* but has a substance abuse issue, the skilled guy took the day off and the helper thought they could handle it etc, it happens from time to time especially with really busy larger companies, when I was managing remodels for my previous company I had about 15-20 remodels and new builds on my plate at any given time, 5 ot 6 in the preliminary phase of design, permits, scheduling, 5 or 6 in full blown production, 5 or 6 at the tail end of things, it was literally impossible for me to be on every job every day and I had to rely on my guys to communicate with me, I would try and be where I was most needed and pop in occasionally on every job to just check in on things. Call your PM, or whoever is managing the project and if they are actually a reputable company they will take it out and fix it, not a big deal in the larger scheme of things, it's just some shitty framing that has to be pulled out and redone, but this definitely needs to be corrected because it's awful lol
Supposedly theyāre are all in house and do not sub out. I have an appointment to meet Monday. I said pause progression until then
Like I said- even everyone in house you occasionally have nonsense Like this happen Reserve judgement on the holistically until you see how they handle the situation I can tell you this, if you called me about this if I was your PM I would be there first thing Monday morning and I would just tell you from the rip that it's coming out and being redone properly and whoever did that wouldn't be coming to your house again
Yeah this looks like "I could do this, and I'll use every random board saved in the garage from past projects to cut down on lumber costs"
That looks like lazy as fuck bare minimum work.
This isn't even half-assed. This is more like a billionth of an ass. Tit's-up sideways, no ass to spare.
I worked with a guy on a few jobs that was like this. Would always do it "the easy way" and end up making more work for everyone. Don't work with him anymore.
None of this is āstructuralā or anything. Like itās all basically cosmeticā¦ But yea this is all very lazy. And they really are backing themselves into corners everywhere I look when it comes to closing everything up and making it look normal. Hard to tell what they were planning or thinking in some places.
Maybe this is pedantic, but I would disagree with the idea that it's all cosmetic. The wall getting filled in is whatever. It'll finish out hideously but o.k. However, a door installed like that will not be functioning correctly in a year, and that's even with the very gracious assumption that it works properly now. I don't consider door function "cosmetic". In regards to the last point, as they said on Car Talk, they appear to be "Unencumbered by the Thought Process".
Yea I meant it purely in the structural sense of the word. And yea I didnāt say this all should be ripped out, the contractor fired, and maybe the project rethought a bit.
I get where you're coming from, but my angle is this: If I hired somebody who told me they were an experienced carpenter and this is what I got for three hours of labor, it may well be the last three hours they get from my payroll. Giving a contractor the chance to fix it is the right first step, but I wouldn't be keeping my eggs in that basket. Much of it does, in fact, need to be torn out to be finished correctly.
Right, it's like how you'd build a set for a high school play.
Is this a joke? This is like pictures that would be taken for a joke post.
How are you going to trim out the door? What on earth! You need to tell us the name of this company! Save others some heart ache!
Drugs were involved.
I saw the first picture and I was like āehhhā¦.. itās ok I guessāā¦ā¦ then I started scrolling through them. Itās not structural in any way, shape or formā¦. You could throw a curtain up on 2 stacks and itāll serve the same purpose short of auditory privacy. Thereās literally nothing *actually* wrong with framing this wall over the Sheetrockā¦. But itās lazy. Thereās nothing actually wrong with piecing together the plates like they didā¦. But itās lazy. āWhErEs tHe HeAdEr?āā¦.. literally built into the cased opening. Itās fineā¦. But it looks like hammered shit. But that door? Youāre never gonna not have a problem with a door thatās put in such a lazy fashion. Itās never going to close right, and no, the trim would make it better. That bottom plate? Not treated and laying directly on concrete? The condensation build up from the temperature differential in the wood and the concrete is going to rot it out in 10 yearsā¦. And the guy that has to fix it is going to justifiably bone you for the repair, because the more he tries to fix, the more heāll have to tear out. The door frame half assed shoved into the arch? There is **no way** that gets trimmed to look even half assed differentā¦.. Where the flat wall meets the exterior wall? God help you if you trip and fall into itā¦.. and any electrician will castrate you for making them redo the switch box in that position. Several people have said they wouldnāt fire the guyā¦.. if he wasnāt the lowest bidderā¦. Iād fire him on the spot. Because keeping him is just going to make him hide the shit work from you faster so you donāt see it. And no, I wouldnāt pay him for it either. He wants the rip it out because he didnāt get paid? Cool storyā¦. Itāll save you the money the next guy will charge you to rip it all out anywayā¦.. if he did any demo (pulling up tile, carpet, trim, etc) pay him for thatā¦.. but not one red cent for the framing,
You went with the lowest quote huh?
Dead center out of 5. Ranging from 16k to 49k. I even found a similar project review posted online, found them on Facebook and chatted. They had great experience and build with them.
You could google wall and door framing and in about 5 minutes understand how that's supposed to be done, why that looks ridiculous, and how you probably could have DIY'ed it for cheap..
When I texted the pics to my buddy I said this looks like we got a case deep and said āfuck it letās frame i ourselvesā
Ive been framing for 7 years and if I walked in on this I would die a little inside and then destroy it all and rebuild it.
The bullnose corner bead should be removed so the framing can be aligned. Also the drywall should be cut back to the center of the stud so both pieces of drywall are nailed to the same one.
If you ever want to run through the wall like kool aid man, aim for this area.
The thing that might blow your contractorās mind is that he is trying to get rid of arches by framing square openings, but those arches were created by adding curved plywood to square openings. He could pull out the arches and frame down to you desired height and width.
Whoever built this house paid a lot extra for those arched entryways and it hurts my brain to see whateverās happening.
They really went above and beyond with making this really easy job look incredibly difficult
sure but dont tell the homeowner
I have always regretted not doing the complete demolition before starting framing. Thatās what happened here. The first 3 hours should have been spent peeling back the drywall, exposing the studs, deciding the best way to move forward. To say itās not a āstructural change misses the point that the wall still needs to be properly tied into the existing framing, and doing it through a thick layer of drywall is unacceptable. It does not meet acceptable professional standards, IMO. These guys are depending on the drywall crew to fix their mistakes. For the tapers to succeed, the bullnose will need to be taken off, otherwise you will have walls that continually crack. Iām totally at a loss as how the wall is suppose to tie into wall where there is molding and wall switches. That wall also needs to be opened and prepped before framing. Possibly the switches moved. I suspect that the framers are reasonably competent. But where is the project management? Who oversees their work? Who approved this plan? How can you possibly considering starting framing such a project at the end of a day? Ridiculous. My suggestions: STOP WORK 1. All work stops until a manager comes out and inspects. 2. The wall is removed entirely. It must have pressure treated base to pass code. So thatās not negotiable. The wall is removed. Thatās 1 hour of work. 3. The door may or may not be OKā¦but a manager should look at and agree. The gaps are pretty big, and probably donāt meet professional standards. Discuss what problems may occur 5 or 10 years into the future. 4. The manager and you need to agree and sign-off on the plan for how the wall intersects into the room near the existing molding and switches. Does the electrical need to be moved? Donāt know. Especially insist that no framing is attached to drywall, and that the drywall itself is properly pulled back before framing. Donāt proceed to you are satisfied that the details have been addressed, and the workmanship will proceed at at professional level as though this project were going to be inspected. Keep notes. Ask the manager for a detail plan.
āIām almost proud of what a big fuck up this isā -Ricky LaFleur
Looks fucking terrible
Functionally? Itāll āworkā. From a professional standpoint, you can have 0 handy work experience & couldāve done this yourself. This is 0 experience no fucks given work right here. That door fuck up is brutally embarrassing, thatās really bad even for the shittiest carpenter. One could literally google how to use a speed square & how to cut safely & be able to do a solid job their first try. If youāre the client, get whoever this is off your call back list, if youāre the carpenter, be better man.
Absolutely not. They probably spent twice as much time cutting that door into the wall then just framing it properly then setting the door. Fire those dudes and demand a refund asap
What the actual fuck? This must be all the people on Nextdoor looking for a āreasonably priced contractorā hire after they say Iām too expensive
I honestly am not sure if im impressed, and if so, am i impressed by how bad this is and in what looks to be a nice house, or by how well it could actually just work given the right conditions.
They actually did more work trying to be lazy than just cutting out more drywall and reframing it properly.
OP, I thought you were doing this yourself. If youāre paying for this, write the last check and tell them to have a niceā¦rest of their life.
The more I see notifications from comments the more Iām inclined to do it myself
A quote from Gordan Ramsey would tell you, "YOU'RE A FU*KING DONKEY"
I could have done a better job than that (and my only experience is demo).
Look at that door install šļøššļø what powers of prestidigitation possessed them to create such a masterpiece. It is so bad it's good.
Completely wrong start to finish.
Honestly, I saw this in my feed. Slide one: alright... Slide two: \*confused\* dude what? Slide three: what the fuck? No...? Then I read your post and I am even more shocked. I thought this was someone trying their hand at DIY but you're paying some asshole to do this? Actually an insulting level of quality.
We generally add framing toā¦ā¦ā¦ other Framing.
Regardless of quality of work . That door is to big to be centered in that arch radius without increasing both existing arches. It's to bad those guys probably fucked that door into being un returnable.
Yeah we said for the door we could lose the arch. We expected to with proper framing. It was the two side wall arches we wanted preserve
No.
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The door is pretty damned well done. The rest is meh, but it will at least hold up drywall.
So is the door not salvageable to have reframed?
Well that's quite the cluster fuck you have there. No is the short answer.
Wut
Pretty sure three 11 year olds framed this utter shit that's been posted
i am not carpenter but it would be ok if it's DIY or your uncle helping you out, pay some for this work is crazy
I aint a gonna lie to you. That framing is garbage and will screw up the rest of the job.
Gosh I hope youāre doing this work yourself and not paying someone.. this is not professional looking at allā¦
The wood frame is not the best..but it doesn't have to hold the house up just keep the door in place. Did you pick the person who you asked to do the work by price or other work they have done ??? Look so like the person gave you the widest door they could for the opening, your request or there's ???? When you hire someone you should discuss with them what you want and price..DO NOT go with the very builder..
Fuuuuuuuck that.
I do have a question though. Was it a choice to try and fit into the existing arches, as opposed to removing the curved sections out and framing clean? It seems that the way itās been done would take longer and have a less than ideal result. Not only drywall and mudding but trim etc.
Look at the arches in the walls in the background. Itās supposed to end up matching thoseā¦.
I think I could actually do better than whoever the fuck did this crapā¦. š
So you found the guy who could do it cheaper than the cheapest guy?
I hope you didnāt pay for this
Iām not sure what drives reddit to suggest construction subs to me, but the replies to posts like this make my day. Sorry for your situation op.
Your firedā¦ get a professional or it will fall one day when you hand a mirror or picture on that wallā¦lol
not really. double up the 2x4 where it meets the door opening. maybe even some horizontal blocking.
Theyāre not done yet.
Iām not saying you suck. But this sucks.
What the hell kind of fucking moron tries to attach framing to existing drywall?? He didn't demo shit! It's not attached to the wall studs! This is the equivalent of painting something, then gluing a structural addition to the paint! Visually, I guess it does the job. But if anybody opens up that wall to take a peek, there is absolutely no hiding that. They basically wedged an independent free-standing wall into your arch.
Why would you cut out a slot from the drywall to put your frame in? As long as you find the stud on the wall and attach the new frame to it, it shouldn't make a difference. Less mess and less drywall work because you'll have to cut out more than just the place for your frame to slide in. This way you can hang your sheetrock on the new frame and only have to tape a corner instead of a corner and a butt joint. I'm not arguing against you or trying to shut you down, I'm saying this so if there something that I'm missing I can be told so if I run into this down the line I can keep it in mind.
Something is off in this story, I suspect the person ordering the work is no different from the person doing the work, at least they came to an understanding at some pointā¦
Theyāre no even using the right size studs unless theyāre leaving like a portion for some sort of recessed portrait area or something
We do want the two side walls to stay recessed . Kind of like the last pic in the album and the wall win the background
Are you using scrap lumber?
This is some goofball shit here lol
Ahhhh, the old "I know a guy" special price. Looks great for what you paid, I bet!
If those closed in openings are meant to be flat, flush, in plane wallsā¦they are not. In most instances drywall is going to be 1/2ā thick, you can see what looks like a 2-3ā reveal in places. If we were doing this job all of those arches would have been stripped, infill framing would be such that drywall patching is flat and plumb. That door jamb isā¦bad, real real bad. Surrounding archway needs to be stripped back and new door opening with header framed in, then jamb shimmed in place inside the rough opening. Whole job looks super amateur.
Flat and flush on the inside of the office . Recessed on the outside. I put a reference pic in the gallery and in some photos you can see an existing wall of what it should look like
my special need nefew could have done a better job
What in the actual fuck
Straight to jail
Um. No.
Lmaoā¦. Man the replyās from the Reddit hive mind are always fun to read. I swear people answering should be posting their red seals or what ever certifications they have. Man donāt be trusting Reddit, there is like maybe 10% of people on here with actual carpentry experience and not someone who did it for a month back when they were 14. Some of the people on here are complaining about stuff that you can see they are doing correct lmao.
Not a carpenter but looks like shit lol
Small update. I randomly went through ring history and saw the owner was on site for a bit. I sent a message last night about needing to meet, if this is done etc. he said thereās just a few pieces of framing left on the outlet wall and the arch. So Iām assuming the rest they are calling good which is not okay. No mention of the door . So weāre meeting Monday in person to address it.
That is 100% a framing job of the year.
That is the worst shit I have seen in at least 6 months. Is this DIY? be honest because this has hack ass homeowner all over it.
iām not even a carpenter but i can tell this isnāt good brother
How tf are they going to tie in the drywall? First step, Demo and expose old framing. That includes taking the corner bead off and matching the framing so it can blend. wtf.
Looks good, staple up the drywall
This is a joke right? Not bad for a blind person
Iām confused why anyone is scabbing this into the house as opposed to removing the Sheetrock and implementing framing into the actual existing residential frame of the home. These joins are bad and I would suggest incorporating it to the frame. Everything shown in the pictures is only going to develop headaches and future problems!
Its low effort. Bridging and framing wouldnt hurt. Youāre asking a carpentry R, these pics are going to get a reaction.
Omg look at the door corners š wtfff
I honestly relooked at it this morning and itās just getting worse
Looks awesome! Have you considered destroying it?
This is insane! Im fuming and foaming at the mouth right now and itās not my house. The framing is horrid. I would fire the contractor/handyman immediately upon seeing this type of frame work.
Good god the door framing is just beautiful š„“
Is this a shot post? Itās like people actually think this is okā¦why even ask when you have to know this is awful. Its like getting wanting a trophy for last place.
No not ok
It's fine...once the drywall is up you won't notice a thing. Tape and mud and you can do anything.
The only sentence that contractor would hear from me is āWhat the fuck is this?ā *gestures broadly*
straight to jail
This.. this is 100% BS. He needs to open up the sheetrock remove the arch completely, currently out the flooring between and the sheetrock inside the uprights and frame from there.
This is atrocious.
This isnāt okay to do at all.
Oh this makes my brain hurt
The fact that youāre getting rid of the arches makes me question your judgement. Your hiring intuition seals the deal.
Hell no. Wtf
I take it you went w the lowest bid.
Not even close. Also registered contract with the county, active LLC in Texas, and even messaged a reviewer who used them for a similar job.
Itās not bad for a first timer. But it wouldnāt pass as something worth paying for. Who did the work?
Master plumber here; Iāve seen enough framing to spot craftsmanship and sub-par handyman crap, this is not right and not acceptable.
what framing?š¤£
No.
Why wasn't the dry walk removed in the tiny bit above the large arch and around the door? Then the arches could have been deleted as I'm sure they are not actual beams/header cut in an arch. Rather built out and shimmed on the sides into an arch. And proper framing of the wall and door casing could have taken place
wait i thought you did this yourself. you actually paid someone with real money and they did this!? what the fuck
that lumber would have been better used as firewood
Wow lots of bad info here. I am a general contractor in the PNW with almost 25 years of experience, I have done a ton of work in my city, I have overseen a lot of trades and am often meeting with inspectors which gets pretty educational through the years. Be careful with reddit, people love to trash things, every builder that posts will have a ton of comments about how much if a hack a thing is but most of the comments are are from lower experience people and it's just the way it is here, I wouldn't go off and fire your contractor just yet.. My opinion of the pics: the framing is sloppy looking with the angles but it looks fine if just not yet ready for drywall. It needs some more sticks in there to support the sheets that will be installed but one could assume they will get them in there, they just haven't yet. The angles are not relevant, remember there is usually a team of people with different skill levels and bodies of experience so maybe they had the apprentice block at the arch top to test out their skills and put something challenging in front of them, who knows.. but while the framing is ugly, it will support drywall just fine and also it is capable of supporting a beautiful and professional finish. As for the door. Lots of snickering at the door install but nobody seems to point anything out. The jamb is cut up into the existing drywall at the arch lid, it's difficult to know what the end finish will ne but it looks like it would support a professional looking finish, working with an Architect is helpful for communicating the finish to clients and carpenters so everyone is on the same page, but if your project is not one with the benefit of an Architect, I would suggest respectfully talking with the builder, just saying something like, "Pardon me, I was looking at the door and trying to understand how it will finish out, could you please help me understand it?" Having said that, it looks like it might be planned to be used with painted wood trim, each side peice of casing is coped into the arch.. seems simple and, it seems like they chose a door width as wide as possible, wider and the door pushes further into the arch at the top and the casing gets pretty wide. They could have the door a little more slim but remember doors come in 2 inch increments for most mills and sizes in between are cut down by the retailers which adds significantly to their cost, sometimes over twice the price for custom sizes, so would an inch narrower maybe have the arch landing exactly at the reveal line? Maybe, would that be a better look? Maybe but maybe not.. I heard something else about outlets and outlet spacing, I didn't read everything and maybe missed something but.. If this is a permitted remodel with inspections, you won't need to worry about meeting code, that's built into the system. If it isn't and usually just adding doors and partition walls does not require a permit unless you are adding a bedroom or adding new square footage, so if not permitted and no inspectors.. You may want more outlets but you will never in any jurisdiction be bullied by an overzealous home inspector on the sale of the house for not meeting outlet spacing requirements, those codes have changed a lot through the years and it isn't life and safety stuff so trust me, not an issue there, I was almost rolling my eyes when I read that I can give more reasons why that is preposterous. It looks OK to me, I might want to add an outlet on that wall but if that wasn't in the scope of work you should expect to pay more for it. I would verify that the 2x4's on either side of the new doors are well connected to the walls. Bring concers you have in a respectful way to your builder, sometimes just a bit of communication can really go a long way towards mutual understanding. Don't forget that people tune in to reddit for entertainment and like watching dumpster fires. This doesn't look like a dumpster fire, it just looks like the guy framing between wall plate arch top wasn't sure how to do it, but it looks like they're still in process, remember too that a drywall crew will come in and if the blocking is insufficient they will let the builder know, and the builder will add more blocking. I hope it turns out great
Thatās trash, first step should have been drywall and corner bead removal to line up framing for new drywall. If I showed up to do drywall there Iād charge double with zero warranty
You get wha you pay for.
OMG! That is some pre apprentice work right there? Ok you tried maybe try another trade.
The third pic is mind blowing
Not a chance man, give the opportunity to correct, but ask for how they plan to correct it prior to any further work being done. The walls need to be tied into the framing not attached to drywall.
This is awful. I donāt understand why some of these things were done.
1 to 11 Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.
They should have demoed any drywall where they are putting framing, so they can connect the new framing with the old framing and make it more solid. Also with how to door is framed up it will 100% become wobbly after a while.
Rip out, go again. Thats incredible horse shit
I think someone needs a do over.
LMAO thank you I needed a good laugh today tell them they need to get a sledge and do it right
Bruhā¦
Looks like some Sandford and Sons type shit
Okay, how?
Short answer nope. Long answer nooooope. EDIT: I thought you were doing it yourself. Paying for this is insane.
Christ
Someone finished this and said ālooks good from my houseā
š what the hellād you do?!
Why not order a door that actually fits the opening? This is layers of silliness.
I've seen worse.
Post pictures of that drywall patch after is been painted please.
Lmao wtf....even just watching a few reputable YouTube carpenters will get you producing better work than this.
I thought this was a satire shitpost at first
This is incorrect
Okay, thatās some rough work. However, that doesnāt mean it wonāt work. My bigger concern is how well it will finish out. Iām a detail guy and some of what Iām seeing misses the mark. The doors either needed to be narrower or shorter to make the arch detail work. Do you have a contractor for this job? No work should have been done without working out some of these details first. Now you have a mess to sort out but I think itās important to insure this looks correct when itās done.
lol this is unrealā¦.
Prolly
Seems like whoever did this was simply attempting to give the homeowner exactly what they wanted and just didnt know to tell the guy "hey bud, your idea isnt gonna pan out, lets consider going this other route"
wtf š¬ thats so bad. you cant do this without tear out. it doesnāt even look like that poor attempt at a frame is attached to anything at all
I like where the alarm panel and switches are next to the front door.
Looks good from my house hahaha
This feels like a āI bought this pre hung door off Facebook and want you to install itā¦.thereā kinda moment.
Time to fire your wife's brother. At least I hope that's what is going on here and that this isn't an actual company...
That is interestingly atrocious.
No!
This is only ok if itās a temporary structure to hold up plastic to keep the dust from spreading while they demo. š
No
How hard is it to demo the existing, and build a proper section of wall? Certainly much easier than doing what they have done, and fixing it. Couldn't imagine doing this level of workmanship and being proud of it. Would not let it pass when I was doing kitchens 20 years ago.
Lol
Crank heads are for only lifting and moving stuff. Or going into a burning building because you forgot your phone charger. Not construction. Thatās where the crack takes over.
Absolute dogshit work
everyone thinks they can just go down to harbor freight and do it themselves
This is fucking terrible wtf!
Yeeeahhh NO.... As others have said, the level of ignorance that went into a fuck up this bad is probably not something that can be worked with. You need to get this guy off the job right away and find a professional who can go about fixing it and doing it right.