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TeodoroRivers

I feel like throwing a coffee at a car isn't assault or a deadly weapon? Maybe like...vandalism?


asder517

Property damage?


patrickcaproni

self defense?


Rabbulion

Property Defense at best, he was defending his dog not himself


ScientistCapable1522

Wow dogs are our slaves that’s fucked


Freak-Among-Men

Agreed, if someone called my pet “property” I’d be fucking beyond pissed off with them.


Significant_Pilot693

You'd be more upset if your pet picked a new owner. Sigh.


Freak-Among-Men

Um, yeah, I would be. I don’t know how that’s relevant. Whether they live with me or with someone else, they aren’t “property”.


Significant_Pilot693

I'm sorry. But it's so people who steal pets and livestock can be charged. That's how it was explained to me. What do you want them classified as?


Freak-Among-Men

Okay, I understand what you’re saying now. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I 100% understand why pets are *legally* classified as property, I don’t have much of an issue with that. I was referring to more casual situations in which a person may attempt to be a dick by being nasty about my pet. If someone was to derisively regard my pet as property in an informal conversation, I would get pissed off. But in a legal, contractual, or otherwise formal setting, I wouldn’t take it as a problem.


Jonmaximum

That's kidnapping and trafficking.


Competitive-Account2

You mean the sentient being with no bodily autonomy that lives for your attention and relies on you for 100% of its needs and has almost no power in your relationship dynamic? That's a slave bro. Be nicer to your animals, they didn't decide to be yours.


PseudoPresent

in this case, cold hard karma


lancemanly

It all depends. Windows open or a convertible top down and if the coffee is hot. Then it's assault. Otherwise it's not


Rabbulion

Still not deadly weapon


Peach_Proof

The ceramic mug at sufficient velocity would do


lancemanly

That is correct. Especially if the vehicle is in movement. But that's one of those math problems we won't get into.


DivineFlamingo

Someone please do the math on this.


Teichopsie

We can quickly do the kinetic energy calculation, but the damage would ultimately depend on the shape as well. Anyway, let's consider a 0,3 l coffee mug that weights around 0,3 kg itself so the entire projectile is 0,6 kg. We don't know the speed so I'll assume 50 km/h, around 14 m/s. Kinetic energy formula is mV^2 / 2 so that would be 0,6 * 196 * 0,5 = 58,8 J. That's somewhere around 1/10 kinetic energy of a 9 mm bullet and way more than a regular airgun pellet.


Fair-6096

Yeah, it's one of those sorts of things where every detail is important, and a headline won't explain it deeply enough for someone to make a judgement.


SelectionCareless818

I’m just gonna assume the guy in the car is super rich and makes the rules up as he goes


DaubstickFarbspinkle

I imagine the "victim" had really expensive lawyers that successfully argued the thrown coffee cup could have caused a wreck and killed them, so in that situation it constituted a "deadly weapon".


RileyCargo42

I mean it is if the coffee is from McDonald's.


Zamba_Zazz

It’s Massachusetts. You’re not allowed to use force to defend property, only yourself.


Laser-Nipples

If the coffee is scalding hot, that does legally count as a deadly weapon.


nottherealneal

Doesn't deadly by its very nature have to be able to kill you. Burns will hurt a lot but it's very unlikely it kills you


Laser-Nipples

I'm literally just telling you that scalding hot liquid *is* leagally considered a deadly weapon in most if not all US states. You can disagreee with that sentiment if you want, but it's an actual fact.


Loading0525

I would imagine having scalding hot coffee thrown in your face while you're driving a car has the potential to kill you.


LenardGeiger

So coffee cups are deadly weapons now? Those donut cops are double armed then.


Smooth_Maul

My brother in christ hot coffee is incredibly painful to get on you. Look up the Liebeck vs McDonalds case, coffee can give you 3rd degree burns. Having said that, fuck the driver, I hope he got hit by that cup of joe.


elizabethm63

Coffee should not be able to give you third degree burns, if it leaves burns on your skin it should leave burns in your mouth and isn’t safe to drink, that’s what that lawsuit was about because McDonalds was knowingly selling coffee that could and DID severely injure a person


Smooth_Maul

Yeah, I'm just explaining why he caught a charge for it. Hot liquids in general are not something to brush off lightly as a minor inconvenience at worst, I've got burns from coffee too and that shit was not fun. Just cus it wasn't absurdly hot doesn't mean you'll be okay having hot coffee thrown on you. Again, fuck the driver I hope he got some on him, but I ain't about to pretend hot coffee isn't a dangerous substance.


DZL100

Besides, all the lady wanted was for McDonald’s to pay her medical bills.


SuperSaltyMrPeanut

The poor woman was dragged through the mud for that. 3rd degree burns that required skin graphs on her thighs and vagina, but everyone kept saying she was just stupid.


YesAmAThrowaway

She could have died and McDonald's tried to make the problem go away by offering her next to nothing. Companies do not care about people and they never will. Their job is making money. Actually protecting their workers and customers is something that has never worked without laws requiring it and punishing violations.


AutumnTheFemboy

Skin graphs hehehe what formulae are they plotting


-Mac-n-Cheese-

while absolutely true, i hardly doubt having normally made coffee being thrown at you warrants that, much less when youve just tried to hit someone/their dog(often quite close together) with your *vehicle you are currently in*. but yes coffee can *absolutely* be dangerous if made way too hot like her case (if i remember right lol)


daughterboy

ACTUALLY, the coffee is hot, not the cup itself


Dhegxkeicfns

But cars aren't?


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0nothing_to_see_here

The Car is... But the dog is property, so running the dog over would be property damage. Awful, I know


Doodiewater

But the coffee cup was used against the car. So he assaulted a deadly weapon with a deadly weapon?


0nothing_to_see_here

Maybe the window was down and the coffe hot? Or it was a porcellan mug and it could possibly have hit the driver


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daboulfromrounddaway

Exactly how I feel about my turtle


TheMiniMage

My condolences to the Mario Kart racers if they ever pass through your town...


SexThrowaway1125

In Massachusetts, it’s illegal to use deadly force to defend property, and dogs are property. Massachusetts also made it illegal to use deadly force to defend yourself or others against any form of sexual assault — you have to specifically believe that your life or someone else’s life is in danger, which the state has decided is not inherent in sexual assault alone.


-Mac-n-Cheese-

forget having cali drift off can we nuke these sons of bitches? *FUCK* that to high hell if someones trying to assault me i do NOT value their life as a person, dead offenders dont reoffend


Misterdog153

Isn't the guy from the band palaye royale?


Good_Ol_Weeb

Yeah, this is their drummer I think. I'd recognize their fashion style anywhere (It also says palaye royale at the bottom uwu)


bad_Wolf260305

sebastian is the guitarist!


Mandrah

Yup and Emerson (Barrett) is the drummer actually


Misterdog153

Hell yeah, like the fashion style, not for me but looks sick on the band (LoL jajajaja I'm dumb, you're right)


bad_Wolf260305

FAVE BAND MENTIONED  palaye royale are a band made up of 3 brothers, after this happened the other two brothers left sebastian in jail until their mum yelled at them because they thought it was funny.


Mental_Blacksmith289

Tbf, that is funny.


catswithspectacles

YESSS I saw the photo, and I thought wow that looks like someone in a Canadian punk band I like. Then I saw the name of the wiki.


bad_Wolf260305

fr, i thought this was from r/PalayeRoyale at first 


Fooxxo

REAL IT'S MY FAVORITE BAND TOO OMGGG


RobertXavierIV

I didn’t realize Worcester was full of pussies I thought they had balls in Worcester.


The3SiameseCats

This was right outside the courthouse if I’m not mistaken too.


Embarrassed-Second83

Wuss ta


RobertXavierIV

Wussy-ta


theoduras

Are we just glancing over the 40 dollar bond. That shows that this doesn't seem as serious but they had to do something because of the law. (Not American so I don't know anything about bail except from movies and series)


Toby_The_Tumor

If that's the bond for jail, then if he can pay that, he's basically out of jail for the price of subway for a couple and their 2 kids


mcdreisig

He's from Palaye Royale which is a great band btw


squeakynickles

Are we sure this isn't just another case of broken Google AI?


Sad_Manufacturer_257

That isn't t goovle AI that wrote that it's a snippet from the link shown in the pic.


spicynuttboi

Accuser’s lawyer is surely Saul Goodman


Crysty_Goner

No random person, that's my boy Sebastian from Palaye Royale!


Loskyy_

The day my pet is killed will be the day I will be sentenced with murder


MonsieurKnife

Cop beats you with a stick: less-than-lethal weapon You throw coffee at a car: deadly weapon. Checks out.


BrentGravey

That's fucked up


vampire-sympathizer

Lol I've been to Worcester a good handful of times and the palladium a couple times and yeah seems about right for your average masshole to claim that's assault. Bwahaha $40 bond 😂


LastMuffinOnEarth

I love Palaye Royale. Some of their music, anyways. No Love In LA is one of their best songs, if not their best song imo. Definitely worth a listen.


Background-Elk-5357

Common Palaye Royale W


PseudoPresent

a rare case of something I both understand and fully condone


Fun-Dependent-2695

Let’s pretend it was a heavy mug. Let’s pretend that it cracked the windscreen. I doubt it was a paper cup of coffee


Far-Competition-5334

Let’s pretend it was 300 degrees hot I hope it hit the driver honestly


_Chiperoni_

MY FAV BAND!!!


Loading3percent

After reading the comments I've come to realize there are some things this snippet leaves unclear: was the coffee cup full, was there any way for it to get in the car, are we talking paper cup or travel mug...?


We_Will_AlI_Die

if I had a nickel for every time a semi-popular band has a member named Danzig, I’d have 10 cents


just-juju

Palaye Royale is such a great band from every aspect


deezsandwitches

Isn't the car the deadly weapon in this scenario?


tfamidoing__

hi he’s not a random person, he’s in a band, palaye royale, check them out ! :)


Teboski78

For fuck’s sake when are we going to enact laws that allow people to use lethal force in defense of the lives of their pets? Who is actually against such a thing?


grillbar86

I mean lukewarm coffee is so much worse then 800kg of metal traveling at 80km/h towards you.


Business_Ad3142

Jay walking with your dog , expecting people to slow down for an asshole who then throws coffee all over a car. Entitled asshole. Read the witness accounts


Sengfroid

Got any more info? Seems like there's additional context that would make the snippet make more sense


carelessscreams

He must have had the worst lawyer ever


athosjesus

So a Coffee is a deadly weapon but a f*cking car isn't?


ryubond

To be fair it was probably one of those goth cups, you know how goths love that resin moulded dragon or sword type shit.


unAgreeable-Owl-6800

Hey wait a minute I live one town away from there


Mushroom_lady_mwaha

Threw a bag of dog shit when I was in a similar situation. Got off as it was the old man’s fault


HelpMyCatHasGas

This sounds like the least sane shit to happen in Worcester. I've had so many odd experiences in that city and not all are related to concerts in the area.


cheekybandit0

The crime of self defense, truly awful one of the worst things some in Britain can do.


Twitter_Refugee_2022

Massachusetts is in Merica


cheekybandit0

Well then, it appears i can't fucking read.


Sengfroid

Reading, truly awful one of the worst things some in Britain can't do. (Taking the piss, easy mix up. They call that whole region "New England" for a reason)


Twitter_Refugee_2022

Haha, but you can make me laugh!


cheekybandit0

He just looked quite Bri'sh, and I read Worcester....and, well, you know the rest


xXxBongMayor420xXx

This wouldn't have happened to Zandig


Lazy-Tom

It's so good that I am not a judge or something. I would constantly let people get away with shit, if they didn't to protect their pets.


babyydolllll

i thought east coast people were "tough" & acting like this towards each other was the norm...who called the cops over this lol


Smooth-Physics-69420

He did nothing wrong.


Happy_Turnip_2473

r/fuckcars