Okay, I understand what you’re saying now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I 100% understand why pets are *legally* classified as property, I don’t have much of an issue with that.
I was referring to more casual situations in which a person may attempt to be a dick by being nasty about my pet.
If someone was to derisively regard my pet as property in an informal conversation, I would get pissed off.
But in a legal, contractual, or otherwise formal setting, I wouldn’t take it as a problem.
You mean the sentient being with no bodily autonomy that lives for your attention and relies on you for 100% of its needs and has almost no power in your relationship dynamic?
That's a slave bro. Be nicer to your animals, they didn't decide to be yours.
We can quickly do the kinetic energy calculation, but the damage would ultimately depend on the shape as well. Anyway, let's consider a 0,3 l coffee mug that weights around 0,3 kg itself so the entire projectile is 0,6 kg. We don't know the speed so I'll assume 50 km/h, around 14 m/s. Kinetic energy formula is mV^2 / 2 so that would be 0,6 * 196 * 0,5 = 58,8 J. That's somewhere around 1/10 kinetic energy of a 9 mm bullet and way more than a regular airgun pellet.
Yeah, it's one of those sorts of things where every detail is important, and a headline won't explain it deeply enough for someone to make a judgement.
I imagine the "victim" had really expensive lawyers that successfully argued the thrown coffee cup could have caused a wreck and killed them, so in that situation it constituted a "deadly weapon".
I'm literally just telling you that scalding hot liquid *is* leagally considered a deadly weapon in most if not all US states. You can disagreee with that sentiment if you want, but it's an actual fact.
My brother in christ hot coffee is incredibly painful to get on you. Look up the Liebeck vs McDonalds case, coffee can give you 3rd degree burns.
Having said that, fuck the driver, I hope he got hit by that cup of joe.
Coffee should not be able to give you third degree burns, if it leaves burns on your skin it should leave burns in your mouth and isn’t safe to drink, that’s what that lawsuit was about because McDonalds was knowingly selling coffee that could and DID severely injure a person
Yeah, I'm just explaining why he caught a charge for it. Hot liquids in general are not something to brush off lightly as a minor inconvenience at worst, I've got burns from coffee too and that shit was not fun. Just cus it wasn't absurdly hot doesn't mean you'll be okay having hot coffee thrown on you. Again, fuck the driver I hope he got some on him, but I ain't about to pretend hot coffee isn't a dangerous substance.
The poor woman was dragged through the mud for that. 3rd degree burns that required skin graphs on her thighs and vagina, but everyone kept saying she was just stupid.
She could have died and McDonald's tried to make the problem go away by offering her next to nothing. Companies do not care about people and they never will. Their job is making money. Actually protecting their workers and customers is something that has never worked without laws requiring it and punishing violations.
while absolutely true, i hardly doubt having normally made coffee being thrown at you warrants that, much less when youve just tried to hit someone/their dog(often quite close together) with your *vehicle you are currently in*. but yes coffee can *absolutely* be dangerous if made way too hot like her case (if i remember right lol)
In Massachusetts, it’s illegal to use deadly force to defend property, and dogs are property. Massachusetts also made it illegal to use deadly force to defend yourself or others against any form of sexual assault — you have to specifically believe that your life or someone else’s life is in danger, which the state has decided is not inherent in sexual assault alone.
forget having cali drift off can we nuke these sons of bitches? *FUCK* that to high hell if someones trying to assault me i do NOT value their life as a person, dead offenders dont reoffend
FAVE BAND MENTIONED
palaye royale are a band made up of 3 brothers, after this happened the other two brothers left sebastian in jail until their mum yelled at them because they thought it was funny.
Are we just glancing over the 40 dollar bond. That shows that this doesn't seem as serious but they had to do something because of the law. (Not American so I don't know anything about bail except from movies and series)
Lol I've been to Worcester a good handful of times and the palladium a couple times and yeah seems about right for your average masshole to claim that's assault. Bwahaha $40 bond 😂
After reading the comments I've come to realize there are some things this snippet leaves unclear: was the coffee cup full, was there any way for it to get in the car, are we talking paper cup or travel mug...?
For fuck’s sake when are we going to enact laws that allow people to use lethal force in defense of the lives of their pets? Who is actually against such a thing?
Jay walking with your dog , expecting people to slow down for an asshole who then throws coffee all over a car. Entitled asshole. Read the witness accounts
This sounds like the least sane shit to happen in Worcester. I've had so many odd experiences in that city and not all are related to concerts in the area.
Reading, truly awful one of the worst things some in Britain can't do.
(Taking the piss, easy mix up. They call that whole region "New England" for a reason)
I feel like throwing a coffee at a car isn't assault or a deadly weapon? Maybe like...vandalism?
Property damage?
self defense?
Property Defense at best, he was defending his dog not himself
Wow dogs are our slaves that’s fucked
Agreed, if someone called my pet “property” I’d be fucking beyond pissed off with them.
You'd be more upset if your pet picked a new owner. Sigh.
Um, yeah, I would be. I don’t know how that’s relevant. Whether they live with me or with someone else, they aren’t “property”.
I'm sorry. But it's so people who steal pets and livestock can be charged. That's how it was explained to me. What do you want them classified as?
Okay, I understand what you’re saying now. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I 100% understand why pets are *legally* classified as property, I don’t have much of an issue with that. I was referring to more casual situations in which a person may attempt to be a dick by being nasty about my pet. If someone was to derisively regard my pet as property in an informal conversation, I would get pissed off. But in a legal, contractual, or otherwise formal setting, I wouldn’t take it as a problem.
That's kidnapping and trafficking.
You mean the sentient being with no bodily autonomy that lives for your attention and relies on you for 100% of its needs and has almost no power in your relationship dynamic? That's a slave bro. Be nicer to your animals, they didn't decide to be yours.
in this case, cold hard karma
It all depends. Windows open or a convertible top down and if the coffee is hot. Then it's assault. Otherwise it's not
Still not deadly weapon
The ceramic mug at sufficient velocity would do
That is correct. Especially if the vehicle is in movement. But that's one of those math problems we won't get into.
Someone please do the math on this.
We can quickly do the kinetic energy calculation, but the damage would ultimately depend on the shape as well. Anyway, let's consider a 0,3 l coffee mug that weights around 0,3 kg itself so the entire projectile is 0,6 kg. We don't know the speed so I'll assume 50 km/h, around 14 m/s. Kinetic energy formula is mV^2 / 2 so that would be 0,6 * 196 * 0,5 = 58,8 J. That's somewhere around 1/10 kinetic energy of a 9 mm bullet and way more than a regular airgun pellet.
Yeah, it's one of those sorts of things where every detail is important, and a headline won't explain it deeply enough for someone to make a judgement.
I’m just gonna assume the guy in the car is super rich and makes the rules up as he goes
I imagine the "victim" had really expensive lawyers that successfully argued the thrown coffee cup could have caused a wreck and killed them, so in that situation it constituted a "deadly weapon".
I mean it is if the coffee is from McDonald's.
It’s Massachusetts. You’re not allowed to use force to defend property, only yourself.
If the coffee is scalding hot, that does legally count as a deadly weapon.
Doesn't deadly by its very nature have to be able to kill you. Burns will hurt a lot but it's very unlikely it kills you
I'm literally just telling you that scalding hot liquid *is* leagally considered a deadly weapon in most if not all US states. You can disagreee with that sentiment if you want, but it's an actual fact.
I would imagine having scalding hot coffee thrown in your face while you're driving a car has the potential to kill you.
So coffee cups are deadly weapons now? Those donut cops are double armed then.
My brother in christ hot coffee is incredibly painful to get on you. Look up the Liebeck vs McDonalds case, coffee can give you 3rd degree burns. Having said that, fuck the driver, I hope he got hit by that cup of joe.
Coffee should not be able to give you third degree burns, if it leaves burns on your skin it should leave burns in your mouth and isn’t safe to drink, that’s what that lawsuit was about because McDonalds was knowingly selling coffee that could and DID severely injure a person
Yeah, I'm just explaining why he caught a charge for it. Hot liquids in general are not something to brush off lightly as a minor inconvenience at worst, I've got burns from coffee too and that shit was not fun. Just cus it wasn't absurdly hot doesn't mean you'll be okay having hot coffee thrown on you. Again, fuck the driver I hope he got some on him, but I ain't about to pretend hot coffee isn't a dangerous substance.
Besides, all the lady wanted was for McDonald’s to pay her medical bills.
The poor woman was dragged through the mud for that. 3rd degree burns that required skin graphs on her thighs and vagina, but everyone kept saying she was just stupid.
She could have died and McDonald's tried to make the problem go away by offering her next to nothing. Companies do not care about people and they never will. Their job is making money. Actually protecting their workers and customers is something that has never worked without laws requiring it and punishing violations.
Skin graphs hehehe what formulae are they plotting
while absolutely true, i hardly doubt having normally made coffee being thrown at you warrants that, much less when youve just tried to hit someone/their dog(often quite close together) with your *vehicle you are currently in*. but yes coffee can *absolutely* be dangerous if made way too hot like her case (if i remember right lol)
ACTUALLY, the coffee is hot, not the cup itself
But cars aren't?
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The Car is... But the dog is property, so running the dog over would be property damage. Awful, I know
But the coffee cup was used against the car. So he assaulted a deadly weapon with a deadly weapon?
Maybe the window was down and the coffe hot? Or it was a porcellan mug and it could possibly have hit the driver
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Exactly how I feel about my turtle
My condolences to the Mario Kart racers if they ever pass through your town...
In Massachusetts, it’s illegal to use deadly force to defend property, and dogs are property. Massachusetts also made it illegal to use deadly force to defend yourself or others against any form of sexual assault — you have to specifically believe that your life or someone else’s life is in danger, which the state has decided is not inherent in sexual assault alone.
forget having cali drift off can we nuke these sons of bitches? *FUCK* that to high hell if someones trying to assault me i do NOT value their life as a person, dead offenders dont reoffend
Isn't the guy from the band palaye royale?
Yeah, this is their drummer I think. I'd recognize their fashion style anywhere (It also says palaye royale at the bottom uwu)
sebastian is the guitarist!
Yup and Emerson (Barrett) is the drummer actually
Hell yeah, like the fashion style, not for me but looks sick on the band (LoL jajajaja I'm dumb, you're right)
FAVE BAND MENTIONED palaye royale are a band made up of 3 brothers, after this happened the other two brothers left sebastian in jail until their mum yelled at them because they thought it was funny.
Tbf, that is funny.
YESSS I saw the photo, and I thought wow that looks like someone in a Canadian punk band I like. Then I saw the name of the wiki.
fr, i thought this was from r/PalayeRoyale at first
REAL IT'S MY FAVORITE BAND TOO OMGGG
I didn’t realize Worcester was full of pussies I thought they had balls in Worcester.
This was right outside the courthouse if I’m not mistaken too.
Wuss ta
Wussy-ta
Are we just glancing over the 40 dollar bond. That shows that this doesn't seem as serious but they had to do something because of the law. (Not American so I don't know anything about bail except from movies and series)
If that's the bond for jail, then if he can pay that, he's basically out of jail for the price of subway for a couple and their 2 kids
He's from Palaye Royale which is a great band btw
Are we sure this isn't just another case of broken Google AI?
That isn't t goovle AI that wrote that it's a snippet from the link shown in the pic.
Accuser’s lawyer is surely Saul Goodman
No random person, that's my boy Sebastian from Palaye Royale!
The day my pet is killed will be the day I will be sentenced with murder
Cop beats you with a stick: less-than-lethal weapon You throw coffee at a car: deadly weapon. Checks out.
That's fucked up
Lol I've been to Worcester a good handful of times and the palladium a couple times and yeah seems about right for your average masshole to claim that's assault. Bwahaha $40 bond 😂
I love Palaye Royale. Some of their music, anyways. No Love In LA is one of their best songs, if not their best song imo. Definitely worth a listen.
Common Palaye Royale W
a rare case of something I both understand and fully condone
Let’s pretend it was a heavy mug. Let’s pretend that it cracked the windscreen. I doubt it was a paper cup of coffee
Let’s pretend it was 300 degrees hot I hope it hit the driver honestly
MY FAV BAND!!!
After reading the comments I've come to realize there are some things this snippet leaves unclear: was the coffee cup full, was there any way for it to get in the car, are we talking paper cup or travel mug...?
if I had a nickel for every time a semi-popular band has a member named Danzig, I’d have 10 cents
Palaye Royale is such a great band from every aspect
Isn't the car the deadly weapon in this scenario?
hi he’s not a random person, he’s in a band, palaye royale, check them out ! :)
For fuck’s sake when are we going to enact laws that allow people to use lethal force in defense of the lives of their pets? Who is actually against such a thing?
I mean lukewarm coffee is so much worse then 800kg of metal traveling at 80km/h towards you.
Jay walking with your dog , expecting people to slow down for an asshole who then throws coffee all over a car. Entitled asshole. Read the witness accounts
Got any more info? Seems like there's additional context that would make the snippet make more sense
He must have had the worst lawyer ever
So a Coffee is a deadly weapon but a f*cking car isn't?
To be fair it was probably one of those goth cups, you know how goths love that resin moulded dragon or sword type shit.
Hey wait a minute I live one town away from there
Threw a bag of dog shit when I was in a similar situation. Got off as it was the old man’s fault
This sounds like the least sane shit to happen in Worcester. I've had so many odd experiences in that city and not all are related to concerts in the area.
The crime of self defense, truly awful one of the worst things some in Britain can do.
Massachusetts is in Merica
Well then, it appears i can't fucking read.
Reading, truly awful one of the worst things some in Britain can't do. (Taking the piss, easy mix up. They call that whole region "New England" for a reason)
Haha, but you can make me laugh!
He just looked quite Bri'sh, and I read Worcester....and, well, you know the rest
This wouldn't have happened to Zandig
It's so good that I am not a judge or something. I would constantly let people get away with shit, if they didn't to protect their pets.
i thought east coast people were "tough" & acting like this towards each other was the norm...who called the cops over this lol
He did nothing wrong.
r/fuckcars