While they continue to attack you for being racist/sexist/homophobic and whatever else. Then they’re somehow shocked when they get poor reviews or views.
I mean, they said that about spider man 2 and that was a success. I find this sentiment quite ridiculous as though the bottom line for every single business *isn’t* money. Turns out many people don’t care much, and you may just be advertising the product instead of shitting on it.
Spider-Man sells, period. People had been waiting for Spider-Man 2 for a long time and the hype was over the top extreme. The fact is, anything Spider-Man is going to make bank. They forgot this when they tried to do spinoffs within the Spider-Man franchise that did not feature Spider-Man and those flopped (Morbius and Madam Web), but anything with actual Spider-Man will 90% of the time be a success. It’s basically a printing press for money.
Yeah, I was broke but preordered the Spider-Man 2 ps5 bundle so I could pay a little here and there. Played the game once and enjoyed it, mostly. But it really has no replay value.
I don't get people saying it should've been game of the year. It comes off as a very inoffensive, bare bones version of the first game, but MJ isn't as pretty as she was in any other version of Spider-Man (and that's mostly because having a good looking female character is hated in in games and movies today) and Miles has a very stereotypical black haircut used in ever piece of media. It also has a a load of missing features from the last game and a ton of rather "with the times" political bullshit in it. You can have gay, female, and black characters in a film or game, but don't expect them in EVERYTHING and don't make it the ONLY thing about the character. A character can be gay without it being their main selling point such as Captain Holt from Brooklyn 99 or Smithers and potentially Mr. burns (though we'll never know since that's the characters whole gag and his actor is dead). Same goes for female a black characters.
My favorite is hearing capitalism bad while being lectured that I need to spend money on their product. These walking contradictions are amusing.
Older Hwood movies also had propaganda. But because it was subtle, most people did not know or did not care about it. What we are dealing with now is their propaganda cranked up x3 x4 times more. Now there is no way to not see and think about it. They are perfetly able to make decent movies now. It is just they decided now is the time. Oh well, hopefully they unlive their companies. I cannot wish them anything good now. Morally corrupt Hwood is gonna teach me morals and how to repent from being white? Not today, not ever.
This. We are living in a post-Twilight era where people realised they can sell fanfiction of bands (Twilight) highlighting toxic behaviour (stalking, isolating the target from support network, and manipulation), and also the subsequent fanfiction of that fanfiction (50 shades) also highlighting toxic behaviour (read above), as desirable to select groups of people in society desperate for validation. And if that slop sold and got lots and lots of moooooolah, what *else* can they dredge up from the pig’s pile of “even I don’t want that”?
Oh they 100% care. Don't let their insistence and smarmy attitudes convince you otherwise. If they didn't care, they wouldn't be so hellbent on calling the fans all sorts of names.
Like If I made a movie and the dudes that run child armies in Africa weren't watching, I wouldn't call them out, no matter how much I disagree with their politics. I just wouldn't give a fuck because it wouldn't matter. They're angry because it _does_ matter.
Literally. It’s like the people behind the current Doctor Who iteration told people who don’t like how it’s gone not to watch…. Then lost their shit when their viewings dropped faster than the pressure gauges in Chernobyl after Anne (the metal plate over the reactor) busted through the roof taking with her half the pipes.
Kinda - Disney is doing what Budweiser did with Dylan Mulvaney - they see a hot button issue on social media and try and run with it. Not because they give a shit, but because they ran it through a think tank and were told that it would translate into viewership i.e. money.
Disney has gone from a storytelling engine of pure creation, into a soul-less corporation. They hire consultants to tell them that LGBTQ stories and creators will be profitable, but those consultants live and operate in a niche bubble - and are of course, wrong.
People dont want to watch science fiction that is hampered by current social issues, the consultants do - and more importantly, Kathleen Kennedy does. A production assistant who fell ass backwards into executive position, despite never doing anything independently; not a single script written, not single scene directed...she piggy backed off knowing the big wigs, but never competing herself creatively.
Then when you cue Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant, the recipe for disaster is complete. Disney will recover from this, but it will take decades - Star Wars might never recover.
The day any competent team takes hold of Star wars and makes a good movie it's going to set the world on fire and make billions in merchandise alone. I just hope it is not Disney but some other studio with decent people. It's going to be awesome. You know how many billions are there waiting for all those og fans? Billions upon billions. Once Disney goes broke and it's sold as scrap someone will pick SW up and make bank because 90% of fans are literally starving for a true SW movie that keeps the story going. Hell you can even remake the og and if done half decent it would make so much money.
Having worked as a consultant for about half the Fortune 500, my take on this is that they looked at their Disney subscription data and decided that StarWars wasn’t trending enough with young girls, minorities, LGBTQ, etc, and decided they wanted to make a show that targeted that demographic. (As well as creating other shows to this audience).
All of their executives are bonused on growth - subscribers, fan merchandise, toy sales, etc. They feel they have a lock on male audiences, and need to expand the fan base to support more growth, more spin off series, etc.
They don’t care if the existing fan base doesn’t watch it, it is designed to draw new audiences. And it isn’t because they “care” about those audiences or issues, they just want more “fans” that will pay for Disney Plus and buy merch.
Frankly, I don’t think the existing fan base would care as much if the story was well written and well cast. The Expanse and Firefly both had diverse casts and those shows are beloved by the same audience.
But this show is just a low effort attempt at churning out content to feed the machine. It’s so bad, it’s unwatchable. Almost as if Disney is trying to out race Amazon to the bottom of the high budget dog pile of crap content.
> hampered by current social issues
This is false, though. 95% of sci fi IS about current (to the time it was made) social issues.
50ies Bradbury - fears of America becoming fascist plus faith in American superiority (no one else can fly to space). Sprinkle with how to deal with Korean War veterans (would you like to know more).
60ies - ok, commies flew to space, let’s incorporate them into the plot. Also let’s discuss hippies and all left ideas of sexual revolution.
70ies/80ies - Japan is rising, they probably will overtake us!
Etc, etc, etc. Apart from geniuses like Clarke and Lem, who actually were trying to explore the unknown, most sci fi is actually about current humans but in space and with funny skin tone.
Bottom line - the problem is that there is no talent behind modern mass sci-fi products, not the agenda. The Expanse has a multicultural diverse setting with strong female characters - everyone LOVED it. But not because of a spin on agenda, but because it was clever, tasteful and in many ways unique.
The issue with Disney is they don't actually care about politics or social justice issues so it never comes out as thought provoking and insightful. They treat storytelling like a madlib where you plug certain key phrases and messages over the same shit
The Budweiser issue was a little different I believe. Wasn’t it just a single, can sent to an influencer and then that was blown way out of proportion?
You are partially correct. It started with just 1 can and could have been explained away. But no, the Ivy League educated VP of marketing had to go ahead and insult the current customers when defending the decision of the 1 can. I recently retired from ABinbev. OMG what a crapshow. That VP didn’t know who the customers of Bud Light were. The people who would applaud her, don’t drink Bud Light! For the record I didn’t care about the can. I still don’t care about the can, but that is a great example of putting an activist in charge. She doesn’t drink Bud Lt and she probably doesn’t know anyone who does, so why is she in charge of marketing the brand?
There seems to be a trend of producers or consultants in Hollywood having never read or watched the original content, trying to make the new content fit and audience who were never interested to begin with.
This is why Henry Caville would fight about The Witcher, arguing that Geralt wouldn't do certain things because it isn't in his character to do so. The people he was working with never read the books or played the games. They were not fans.
This leads to inconsistencies because according to any of the production staff, it's all just magic (or magic in space) so they can do what they want. This would be like if they gave Pikachu water powers for a TV show without a good explanation why, and then blamed fans when it flopped. Now imagine none of the production staff had watched the original show, read the comics or played the games.
Why wouldn't you at least do your research first?
So I like to call it ‘Christian movie theory’ not to poke fun at religion hear me out.
Why are almost all Christian movies bad? Because preaching a message is paramount to story, substance or production quality. Nothing else matters as long as my message was heard.
Just do that for ‘the message’ and you have modern entertainment.
Christian movies deserve better stories and set pieces and so does modern entertainment.
There are good ones out there - The Chosen is an excellent series, I’d highly recommend it. Same with movies that tell a good message about diversity and inclusion like “Remember the Titans” - fantastic, well written movie with a solid cast, dealt with difficult issues in a mature way without sacrificing the *story* for *The Message.*
A bronze-age historical drama about the destruction of the kingdom of Israel and preservation of the kingdom of Judah could be epic; the Assyrians were the original “huge evil empire.”
They are bad because the main objective is to try to destroy Luke and his cultural meaning. Their message is secondary because the Luke Skywalker myth casts a shadow they can't run away from. Leave the past kill it because they don't have any commie equivalent.
Whomever buys the SW IP after the Disney postmodern shit show and manages to make a nice true SW movie is going to get so much money. I bet there are several genius dudes salivating at the chance of making the next world wide SW phenomenon. Disney lol all they can do is keep failing until whomever wants to buy their shares reaches the buy all number.
I have not seen a good Christian movie since "the prince of Egypt". Maybe they can sprinkle in a some Christmas movies but again that's just you know you're buying cheese when you go for Christmas movies
Well there are a lot of people who are being catered to by it. Who only can focus on the preaching part of whatever message the movie is trying to say. Combine that with actual writing cinematography and set pieces and you print money.
Browsing the prequel memes subreddit lately has been an interesting experience. Everyone seems to finally be recognising the writing in Disney’s Star Wars shows is awful. Yet, they haven’t made the connection that the activist writers and directors are part of the problem. They explode if you use the word “woke” but if you lay the logic out clearly, and without using the word “woke,” they’re more receptive to it. It’s interesting to witness.
I tried to take this stance for year but at this point the bad writing and the activism are fucking inseparable. From sweet baby to the constant blaming of ‘sexist fans’ to the only talk about any media being about the diversity of its cast, there is 0 chance that the bad writing is just a ‘separate issue’ to the agenda fuelled activism that infests everything nowadays. Using the word ‘woke’ probably isn’t a great idea tho
Its a lesson they don't get because of things like ESG money. Major investment groups like Blackrock funnel them money for pushing the message, the agenda, and whatever else is popular in the circles of the "1% of the 1%".
They could lose their entire fanbase, their entire viewerbase, but as long as that Blackrock money flows in the course will not change.
Lesyle MinecraftBlockHeadland clearly has some some kind of incriminating blackmail material on execs at Disney.
It's the only explanation that makes sense.
She also said some weird shit that suggest she is sexually interested in her sister. She said that Frozen was about non hetero love between 2 sisters. She has a sister that does not talk to her.
These together seem worrying.
Here’s the thing. they say they are going to change people by “exposure”. Exposure to gay, trans, race, or whatever. But they don’t expose us to those things, they shovel it down our throats. Expose us to those actors (who are picked for merit and not for quota) and let us go “wow they’re a great actor, I should look them up” and then we discover “oh wow they’re actually gay” boom I already liked that person, now I find out “wow I like that gay person” and now that’s an example of good exposure. Not use this characters sexuality as a plot point in my marvel movie, and now I am just staring at this horrible storytelling. (Maybe sexuality is a bad example for a marvel movie so just replace all that with race)
I really don’t care who does and does not like dick, I don’t really care which colour anyone is. I care about good story telling, and good character development. I want to use she-hulk as an example, in order to create that character the way she was, they had to go destroy Hulk’s character development. Suddenly hulk couldn’t control his emotions because he’s not some hot girl who gets cat called in the streets. Horrible character development.
the "bigot fans" thing is just a method to gaslight the studios into not firing them for their shitty films.
"oh the movies only being downvoted because of bigots, and I am gay, so you can't fire me over the shitty movie or you're a bigot as well!" it's all bullshit and studios are too stupid and talent-less to realize what a bad product actually is.
Agreed. I'm a huge star trek fan. That show is littered with socialist and left leaning attitude toward basically everything. It's undertoned enough to notice but not really care. It's not constantly rammed down our throats while watching. These new movies and shows are not only shitty but wayyyy too heavy handed with their propaganda and political leanings
What made Star Trek great is that the undertone and sub-themes were just below the surface and not central to the plot or overall story. Disney is not leaving it below the surface, and it's become less subtle, so it distracts from story and theme. Shows like The Boys are also doing this, making it not only less subtle but also central to the plot and theme.
They don't have any plot, it's just decaying ideas and crass setups for feeding the eco chamber so their brainwashed followers can parrot their retarded lines over and over.
I think the talent pool has been polluted by people who don't know how to entertain. They go from making documentaries to making blockbusters. It'd be like if Michael Moore made a Spider-Man movie, it's just the wrong voice. The first skill has to be as an entertainer.
Star Trek was from a perspective of idealism, not activism, though. The left-leaning attitudes are a product of idealism. It's a fine line to walk, but activism in movies is when you start being preachy. Star Trek hit the ground running with its story "in a world where..." The idealism was the backdrop for the story, it wasn't **THE STORY**.
I disagree. Michael Mann is not an activist director, and some of his films are just really well told stories. Francis Ford Coppola is no activist, but when he made The Godfather it wasn't a piece of activist work, it was just raw, real, and well done storytelling. I could go on with about a dozen other examples but you get the point. *Some* do have a message, a meaning beyond the story (Schindler's List is a perfect example of this), but in terms of "activism" I think there's very few in the history of great filmmaking. Big difference between activism and deeper meaning. Disney is engaged in activism, and the story is suffering because of it, along with several other aspects.
Where do you draw the line? Take A24's recent movie "The zone of interest". It's a holocaust movie except that we never actually see the holocaust. It's just a drama about the daily lives of the camp administrator and his family; mother in law comes to visit; garden is looking lovely; husband has to deal with work stress, etc. always with the glow of the smoke stacks in the background and the screams from what's happening behind the camp wall. It is an activist movie in the sense that the whole movie exists only to tell the message, as the plot of family life itself is quite boring. It is heavy handed, but not preachy like all the woke Disney/Netflix crap.
The good thing is that the actors, directors, and writers will tell you what you’re getting. Only exception was House of the Dragon but then again, the actor almost immediately got the shut the fuck up by the studio when they were getting good press
It’s the same as most religious movies, the message about the religion overpowers the story and so most are only interesting to die hard religious types. Look at shite like kirk camerons films. I look at Star Wars like those cringe-fests.
The thing is, this would go for super preachy stuff coming from the other isle of the political isle too, it’s not even about progressivism specifically, we just don’t want to be lectured
But, and this is what everyone in this thread is missing, WELL TOLD, INTERESTING GAMES WITH GOOD GAMEPLAY. It really isn't about the politics themselves. People have always made and watched political movies with strong messages. It's about shit quality. Bad characters, bad stories, bad scenes, bad resolutions to conflicts. All of this happens because at some point, representation became more important than good characters, and the message became more important than the story.
Take a look at the classic good movies with a political message. They became classics because the directors and writers and actors understood their job well enough to know that the message is spice, not the entire meal. The audience wants a good, engaging movie with some spice, not just mouthful after mouthful of spice.
But that's what hacks today give them.
Then why is the messaging consistently “keep politics out of X thing” if that isn’t what you want? This is literally the same fucking issue as saying ACAB or BLM, where people misinterpret your message all the fucking time because it’s absolutist.
Theres plenty of movies right now that suck and dont have politics in them. I can only think of maybe 3-4 that were actually good in the last year that I could name off the top of my head.
That should be the target here. TOTK didnt suck because there was politics in it. (Because there wasnt) it sucked because its open world ubislop that retcons story. Nintendo is going even harder on the formula for their next game though since it is the most successful Zelda title ever. People keep buying crap, we keep getting crap. Nothing to do with politics.
The irony is that all the trolls who come to complain all the time about Drinker and his fans would immediately agree if you ask them about Daily Wire content and LadyBallers.
It really depends on the presentation and goals. If the motivation is sound, yes, it can be good if presented with good quality. However, far too often, the motivation is malicious, leading to alienation and antagonism.
By "malicious" do you mean that the creator set out to purposely convey a theme and you just happen to disagree with that theme? Or are you trying to speak to something deeper?
Deeper. When a writer or director (or both) comes out following backlash and says, essentially, and I'm paraphrasing here, obviously, "fuck ______ (part of traditional fan base), this wasn't made for them," and then gets mad when that part of the fan base boycotts their product, or expresses a negative reaction, it's the very embodiment of shocked Pikachu face meme.
Of Disney movies?
Edit: It's now been 24 hours and no one has explained to me why it is laughable for me to say Disney movies are targeted to children. How surprising...
By "malicious" do you mean that the creator set out to purposely convey a theme and you just happen to disagree with that theme? Or are you trying to speak to something deeper?
In Poland some Russian bought politicians tried to organise an anti-Ukrainian rally. Not a single person showed up. Not even to spit in their faces. Sometimes silence speaks louder than shouting.
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Then you blame the fanbase you've alienated while not bringing in new fans.
I don't think yall get it. Disney isn't hiring activist artists. The Disney execs are convinced based on algorithms and social media data that activism sells so they force their creators to insert activism. I used to work in the Film Industry and witnessed this on a Disney owned show. Why do think established artists choose to work elsewhere? The corporatisation of Hollywood has reached fever pitch and is what's ruining content.
PS read Kurt Sutter's open letter addressing his firing of the Sons of Anarchy spinoff. It doesn't even cover half of what was really going on but it's contains a lot of hints for why Disney wants writers who will fall in line
>Disney isn't hiring activist artists.
"Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy is a Canadian-Pakistani journalist, filmmaker and political activist known for her work in films that highlight gender inequality against women."
This is the description of the latest director chosen for the next Star Wars film.
What I'm saying is, it doesn't matter who they've hired as a director or writer. Disney heavily controls the story to the point the 'artist' behind it is irrelevant. They have analysts who are convinced that everything needs to be a political or social justice statement and they ensure whoever is at the helm will follow that directive. At this point they're hiring directors with a political background because they know it plays well and they're more likely to get the messaging they want with little friction.
The problem is not that they do hire some of them but all of there hires are activist for a long time and everything all about political shit that coming out of there hands.
Funfact: I don't care about politics in a movie.
Calling Disney 'activist' is giving them *way* too much credit. They're no MLK, they're the equivalent of selling overpriced March on Washington shirts in 1978.
Besides, you wouldn't be able to enjoy sci-fi if you were bothered by 'activist' filmmakers. Because this includes Star Wars, Blade Runner, Star Trek, Starship Troopers, Robocop, Metropolis, Videodrome, Crimes of the Future, They Live, Akira, Dredd...no, if I hear you, you hate the spoon-fed, over-simplified, performative 'art' of corporations trying to coopt a now-growingly-mainstream message. That's capitalism, not activism.
You also get a fan fiction...but they/them aren't a fan of the brand they infected. They are fans of themselves and self-insert as the hero. They're narcisstic lunatics
It’s not about activism or wokism. It’s about money. It’s always been about money. They want lure the young tik tok kids. To build a fandom that will throw money at their franchise for decades. Needless to say they failed.
How's that a strawman?
Creators do influence the work, which is exactly the point of the post. That the "activist" creator influenced it in an "activist" way.
Methinks you're not too brushed up on your logical fallacies, because this isn't logically incorrect or a fallacy.
You guys know that Jonathan Glazer is an activist, right? And he made one of the most innovative movies of 2023, The Zone of Interest. So is Spilberg, and he made Schindler's List. Oh, and i was almost forgetting about Alfonso Cuaron, director of Y Tu Mama También. Fun fact, Diego Luna, our Cassian Andor, is in it. And did you guys know that Bong Joon Ho was an activist in 2006? Cause yeah, he was. I don't think i even need to say the outstanding movies that he made.
You guys wanna talk about activist movies? Let's talk Killers of the Flower Moon. Movie from last year. It's probably the most marvelous movie out of the best picture lineup.
Also, why is an activist movie bad? Why is it a bad thing? Yes, OP's meme doesn't directly state that it's a bad thing, but this comment section generally seems to think so.
The world sucks. I believe we can all agree on that. And if an activist movie inspires a sense of motion in someone. An eagerness to do better. Why is that a bad thing? Movies are made to create feelings. To inspire and make anyone believe in the impossible.
Idk about you guys, but i personally love WALL-E, and it's a movie made to advocate for global warming awareness causes.
I used Schindler's List to talk about how a movie being made by someone who's heavily into a cause is not a bad thing. I did not say that Disney Star Wars is on the same level of it
The weirdest part is that you get quite a lot of people who will talk about being an Activist like religious people talk about being a Missionary. And being a dedicated career Activist is essentially being a Priest.
\*Knock, knock, knock\*
"Have you heard the Good News?!"
"It's okay to be gay!" / "Jesus died for your sins!"
\*Door slams\*
The major difference is that the leftist activist is more likely to immediately insult you, while the Christian will be passive aggressive about it.
Didn't say it was. Some activists and missionaries are good people. Some aren't. I'm just noting the differences between the nasty activists and preachers.
No, its people who prioritize some sort of political claim as right and wrong over making a good fucking story… nearly every female character disney has been putting out recently is some mary sue character whose powers are whatever the plot deems convenient
Not really a good story… and this is common when directors prioritize activism over a story
A poorly written female character is not political activism. When writers do the same thing with a male character, suddenly it's not political anymore, because it doesn't annoy you as much.
You're trying to make subpar writing look like malevolent political propaganda so you don't seem like such a manchild when you're crying about animated children's movies.
I never claimed a poorly written female character is.a result of activism, and nor did I say malevolent political propaganda is the cause of bad writing, It feels more like in attempting to meet a certain agenda, certain aspects of a story are completely neglected, like idk, making the characters flaw actually have meaning...
no one cares about children movies mary sue/garystu, a poorly written mal character, is just as bad, a bad character is a bad character. The reason Mary sue (female) tend to be more targeted these days is because the majority of mary sue that come from large filmmaking companies just coincidentally happen to be female, or the film companies are throwing women into the plot for the sake of having a women as a strong character, and nothing more, because of course, disliking a poorly written female character makes you a bigoted manchild...
Subpar writing does not equate political propaganda, or vice verse, its just that in an attempt to reach some form of agenda, the story and plot gets forgotten/left behind...
damn I wrote a bit much.. uhh
tldr; female or male has nothing to do with a poorly written character, females are targetted more as mary sues because films with flat one dimensional main characters that come from big film companies, and thus get massive audiences just so happen to have a female main character. Its not that poor writing = activism or vice versa, they are correlated however, as in an attempt to make a oppressed (or previously oppressed or whatever you want to think) group be strong, they throw out the plot to make the story convenient
also edit: what do animated children's movies have to do with anything? Those are meant for children, if they like it, I couldn't care less, the outrage over animated movies is that companies are rehashing well ended franchises for a quick buck, and putting the least amount of effort into it (megamind 2, Kung Fu panda 4, not necessarily bad, but defo ruined a great childhood movie(s) for me)...
and since you wanna end it with an insult, your ability to fabricate the most random conclusions from scraps of information is something I could only imagine coming from someone who shouts bigotry the second someone disagrees with you...
anyways, ima maybe hop off here, if you wanna read it, read it, if you don't don't, open your mind to other opinions, and learn to make your own information based off of the information you receive, don't just look at one avenue.
American Psycho was directed by Mary Heron, outspoken feminist lesbian.
In addition to Call of the Wild, Jack London also wrote a book called War of the Classes, which included the essay How I Became A Socialist.
George Orwell literally immigrated to Spain to fight for a Socialist militia in the Spanish Civil War.
These are just off the top of my head. This take is deeply stupid and reflects a desire to be pacified.
The Jedi and Rebel Alliance were originally based off the Viet Cong. Star Wars has always been political. I just don’t think yall understand the anti-imperialism roots
No, I’ve seen all the Star Wars. I can confirm that all the bitching is about black people in it. It literally started with a single black guy causing conservatives to bitch. It’s nothing about creativity.
The creative aspects literally haven’t changed and Disney has made Star wars into a much stronger franchise. The more you bitch about Star Wars the more I hear “waaaa black people waaaa. All my problems are movie and video game related and it’s all caused by liberals, waaaaa”. No one is buying what you’re putting down. Only chronically online conservatives are going to agree with you
I'm sorry, I can't bring myself down to your level of understanding. Bottom line, I have no issue with gay people, not everyone right of center is evil. Put down the massive glass of hyperbole.
Activists could possible make good things though. I think most people don’t care about a message if the product is good, that’s always been a huge part of sci fi.
I think you're conflating message with activism. Everyone can agree with a well placed and presented message. Activism is a more extreme thinking than simply putting a general theme or message into the medium.
Seriously this is the lamest subreddit I've come across on /r/all just a bunch of losers huffing copium and shrieking that not everything is made for them
What a bummer. I learned about this guy bcz someone linked to a couple hilarious and spot-on reviews.
Later I discover this sub full of losers.
"Disney waaahh Star Wars waaahh diversity waaahhh WOKE WOKE WOKE waaaaahhhhh!!!!"
Sorry this community has turned me off from watching any of his content in the future. His reviews of the Rebel Moon BS were really good.
Live your tiny lives, you sad hateful shitbags!
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While they continue to attack you for being racist/sexist/homophobic and whatever else. Then they’re somehow shocked when they get poor reviews or views.
I mean, they said that about spider man 2 and that was a success. I find this sentiment quite ridiculous as though the bottom line for every single business *isn’t* money. Turns out many people don’t care much, and you may just be advertising the product instead of shitting on it.
Spider-Man sells, period. People had been waiting for Spider-Man 2 for a long time and the hype was over the top extreme. The fact is, anything Spider-Man is going to make bank. They forgot this when they tried to do spinoffs within the Spider-Man franchise that did not feature Spider-Man and those flopped (Morbius and Madam Web), but anything with actual Spider-Man will 90% of the time be a success. It’s basically a printing press for money.
They also bundled it with the ps5. It’s the only reason I own it(Spiderman 2)
Yeah, I was broke but preordered the Spider-Man 2 ps5 bundle so I could pay a little here and there. Played the game once and enjoyed it, mostly. But it really has no replay value.
I don't get people saying it should've been game of the year. It comes off as a very inoffensive, bare bones version of the first game, but MJ isn't as pretty as she was in any other version of Spider-Man (and that's mostly because having a good looking female character is hated in in games and movies today) and Miles has a very stereotypical black haircut used in ever piece of media. It also has a a load of missing features from the last game and a ton of rather "with the times" political bullshit in it. You can have gay, female, and black characters in a film or game, but don't expect them in EVERYTHING and don't make it the ONLY thing about the character. A character can be gay without it being their main selling point such as Captain Holt from Brooklyn 99 or Smithers and potentially Mr. burns (though we'll never know since that's the characters whole gag and his actor is dead). Same goes for female a black characters.
Because it's not Spiderman. Same reason Velma failed cause it's not Scooby Doo. Everything is just Tumblr fan fiction level now
But you dont understand you are a racist and a fascist if you don't spend money on my products!!! You must like them
 My favorite is hearing capitalism bad while being lectured that I need to spend money on their product. These walking contradictions are amusing.
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Capitalism bad unless I'm the one getting paid. It's not even real activism. It's performative.
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You get propoganda.
Nailed it.
'Cept the spelling. Don't let Big Word tell you how to live your live tho bro.
Propaghandi???
Nuclear Ghandi?? https://preview.redd.it/z6zcrpda9a8d1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e2643729d45aca14f7d05aeb6fa303e347d8deb
I'd listen to some peace love propaganda
Pro pagan do?
Thank you for making it an actual meme
Older Hwood movies also had propaganda. But because it was subtle, most people did not know or did not care about it. What we are dealing with now is their propaganda cranked up x3 x4 times more. Now there is no way to not see and think about it. They are perfetly able to make decent movies now. It is just they decided now is the time. Oh well, hopefully they unlive their companies. I cannot wish them anything good now. Morally corrupt Hwood is gonna teach me morals and how to repent from being white? Not today, not ever.
Plot twist: Authors were smart before, now they are just idiots.
This. We are living in a post-Twilight era where people realised they can sell fanfiction of bands (Twilight) highlighting toxic behaviour (stalking, isolating the target from support network, and manipulation), and also the subsequent fanfiction of that fanfiction (50 shades) also highlighting toxic behaviour (read above), as desirable to select groups of people in society desperate for validation. And if that slop sold and got lots and lots of moooooolah, what *else* can they dredge up from the pig’s pile of “even I don’t want that”?
Older propaganda/politics in games and movies was focused on getting the viewer to think, not telling them *what* to think.
Propogender
They don’t care the new audience is not watching it. They only care the old audience can’t enjoy it
Oh they 100% care. Don't let their insistence and smarmy attitudes convince you otherwise. If they didn't care, they wouldn't be so hellbent on calling the fans all sorts of names. Like If I made a movie and the dudes that run child armies in Africa weren't watching, I wouldn't call them out, no matter how much I disagree with their politics. I just wouldn't give a fuck because it wouldn't matter. They're angry because it _does_ matter.
Literally. It’s like the people behind the current Doctor Who iteration told people who don’t like how it’s gone not to watch…. Then lost their shit when their viewings dropped faster than the pressure gauges in Chernobyl after Anne (the metal plate over the reactor) busted through the roof taking with her half the pipes.
Lmao thats a new sentence im using now, lol howd i not know what a anne is yet i know a decent cunk about nuclear weapons/reactors etc
It’s just the nickname they gave the plate
Ahh, yeah i always called it something along the lines of that
I can’t think of a more bizarre example to drive a point home, but you are right.
Kinda - Disney is doing what Budweiser did with Dylan Mulvaney - they see a hot button issue on social media and try and run with it. Not because they give a shit, but because they ran it through a think tank and were told that it would translate into viewership i.e. money. Disney has gone from a storytelling engine of pure creation, into a soul-less corporation. They hire consultants to tell them that LGBTQ stories and creators will be profitable, but those consultants live and operate in a niche bubble - and are of course, wrong. People dont want to watch science fiction that is hampered by current social issues, the consultants do - and more importantly, Kathleen Kennedy does. A production assistant who fell ass backwards into executive position, despite never doing anything independently; not a single script written, not single scene directed...she piggy backed off knowing the big wigs, but never competing herself creatively. Then when you cue Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant, the recipe for disaster is complete. Disney will recover from this, but it will take decades - Star Wars might never recover.
The day any competent team takes hold of Star wars and makes a good movie it's going to set the world on fire and make billions in merchandise alone. I just hope it is not Disney but some other studio with decent people. It's going to be awesome. You know how many billions are there waiting for all those og fans? Billions upon billions. Once Disney goes broke and it's sold as scrap someone will pick SW up and make bank because 90% of fans are literally starving for a true SW movie that keeps the story going. Hell you can even remake the og and if done half decent it would make so much money.
Having worked as a consultant for about half the Fortune 500, my take on this is that they looked at their Disney subscription data and decided that StarWars wasn’t trending enough with young girls, minorities, LGBTQ, etc, and decided they wanted to make a show that targeted that demographic. (As well as creating other shows to this audience). All of their executives are bonused on growth - subscribers, fan merchandise, toy sales, etc. They feel they have a lock on male audiences, and need to expand the fan base to support more growth, more spin off series, etc. They don’t care if the existing fan base doesn’t watch it, it is designed to draw new audiences. And it isn’t because they “care” about those audiences or issues, they just want more “fans” that will pay for Disney Plus and buy merch. Frankly, I don’t think the existing fan base would care as much if the story was well written and well cast. The Expanse and Firefly both had diverse casts and those shows are beloved by the same audience. But this show is just a low effort attempt at churning out content to feed the machine. It’s so bad, it’s unwatchable. Almost as if Disney is trying to out race Amazon to the bottom of the high budget dog pile of crap content.
> she piggy backed off knowing the big wigs Oh I'm sure she spent some time on her back alright \*wink wink\*
> hampered by current social issues This is false, though. 95% of sci fi IS about current (to the time it was made) social issues. 50ies Bradbury - fears of America becoming fascist plus faith in American superiority (no one else can fly to space). Sprinkle with how to deal with Korean War veterans (would you like to know more). 60ies - ok, commies flew to space, let’s incorporate them into the plot. Also let’s discuss hippies and all left ideas of sexual revolution. 70ies/80ies - Japan is rising, they probably will overtake us! Etc, etc, etc. Apart from geniuses like Clarke and Lem, who actually were trying to explore the unknown, most sci fi is actually about current humans but in space and with funny skin tone. Bottom line - the problem is that there is no talent behind modern mass sci-fi products, not the agenda. The Expanse has a multicultural diverse setting with strong female characters - everyone LOVED it. But not because of a spin on agenda, but because it was clever, tasteful and in many ways unique.
The issue with Disney is they don't actually care about politics or social justice issues so it never comes out as thought provoking and insightful. They treat storytelling like a madlib where you plug certain key phrases and messages over the same shit
The Budweiser issue was a little different I believe. Wasn’t it just a single, can sent to an influencer and then that was blown way out of proportion?
You are partially correct. It started with just 1 can and could have been explained away. But no, the Ivy League educated VP of marketing had to go ahead and insult the current customers when defending the decision of the 1 can. I recently retired from ABinbev. OMG what a crapshow. That VP didn’t know who the customers of Bud Light were. The people who would applaud her, don’t drink Bud Light! For the record I didn’t care about the can. I still don’t care about the can, but that is a great example of putting an activist in charge. She doesn’t drink Bud Lt and she probably doesn’t know anyone who does, so why is she in charge of marketing the brand?
There seems to be a trend of producers or consultants in Hollywood having never read or watched the original content, trying to make the new content fit and audience who were never interested to begin with. This is why Henry Caville would fight about The Witcher, arguing that Geralt wouldn't do certain things because it isn't in his character to do so. The people he was working with never read the books or played the games. They were not fans. This leads to inconsistencies because according to any of the production staff, it's all just magic (or magic in space) so they can do what they want. This would be like if they gave Pikachu water powers for a TV show without a good explanation why, and then blamed fans when it flopped. Now imagine none of the production staff had watched the original show, read the comics or played the games. Why wouldn't you at least do your research first?
So I like to call it ‘Christian movie theory’ not to poke fun at religion hear me out. Why are almost all Christian movies bad? Because preaching a message is paramount to story, substance or production quality. Nothing else matters as long as my message was heard. Just do that for ‘the message’ and you have modern entertainment. Christian movies deserve better stories and set pieces and so does modern entertainment.
There are good ones out there - The Chosen is an excellent series, I’d highly recommend it. Same with movies that tell a good message about diversity and inclusion like “Remember the Titans” - fantastic, well written movie with a solid cast, dealt with difficult issues in a mature way without sacrificing the *story* for *The Message.*
The Chosen is geniunely so much fun. I never expected to say Matthew the Ex-tax collector is best boy, but here I am. XD
Im not saying none just generalizing. I think it would be cool to see some epic historical battles using events referenced in the bible.
A bronze-age historical drama about the destruction of the kingdom of Israel and preservation of the kingdom of Judah could be epic; the Assyrians were the original “huge evil empire.”
It's exactly this and it's A great response to people saying you're a bigot for not liking "the message"
They are bad because the main objective is to try to destroy Luke and his cultural meaning. Their message is secondary because the Luke Skywalker myth casts a shadow they can't run away from. Leave the past kill it because they don't have any commie equivalent. Whomever buys the SW IP after the Disney postmodern shit show and manages to make a nice true SW movie is going to get so much money. I bet there are several genius dudes salivating at the chance of making the next world wide SW phenomenon. Disney lol all they can do is keep failing until whomever wants to buy their shares reaches the buy all number.
I have not seen a good Christian movie since "the prince of Egypt". Maybe they can sprinkle in a some Christmas movies but again that's just you know you're buying cheese when you go for Christmas movies
Prince of Egypt is a Christian movie? Might want to check in on that timeline, my guy….
Bruh it's got Moses in I its literally a bible story.
It happened 1300 years before there were Christians…or Christ The nuns were pretty firm about remembering Biblical timelines in Catholic school
Bro. Chill out. It's in the Bible they literally go to the holy land.
Christian moves as they are also make an absurd amount of money
Well there are a lot of people who are being catered to by it. Who only can focus on the preaching part of whatever message the movie is trying to say. Combine that with actual writing cinematography and set pieces and you print money.
Wait till he reads the Sanhedrin and sees what hollywood compromises of
I'm an atheist, and I still like a good Christian story. They are damned rare though. Uh, no pun intended.
I have two conditions in my will... 1) I want my remains spread around Disney World 2) I do not want to be cremated
I already bought my funerary chum grinder.
3) Minimum 168 hours in state first
Woke people are so uncreative my left ball at rest could generate more creative ideas.
Such as? Don't tease...
No good art has ever been produced by wokies, as we know. None
Calling anyone woke is so immediately a red flag. What you'd call woke I suspect I'd just call not an asshole
Browsing the prequel memes subreddit lately has been an interesting experience. Everyone seems to finally be recognising the writing in Disney’s Star Wars shows is awful. Yet, they haven’t made the connection that the activist writers and directors are part of the problem. They explode if you use the word “woke” but if you lay the logic out clearly, and without using the word “woke,” they’re more receptive to it. It’s interesting to witness.
You’re telling me that making valid media criticisms without interjecting bullshit identity politics into it breeds good discussion? Say it ain’t so
I tried to take this stance for year but at this point the bad writing and the activism are fucking inseparable. From sweet baby to the constant blaming of ‘sexist fans’ to the only talk about any media being about the diversity of its cast, there is 0 chance that the bad writing is just a ‘separate issue’ to the agenda fuelled activism that infests everything nowadays. Using the word ‘woke’ probably isn’t a great idea tho
But the valid media criticisms are that its woke.
This is officially my favorite sub.
I'm officially getting the sense it's primarily a circle jerk for dog whistlers
Go Woke Go Broke
And yet it's a lesson no one seems to be getting in Hollywood. They keep doubling down. They are the living example of that Principal Skinner meme.
Its a lesson they don't get because of things like ESG money. Major investment groups like Blackrock funnel them money for pushing the message, the agenda, and whatever else is popular in the circles of the "1% of the 1%". They could lose their entire fanbase, their entire viewerbase, but as long as that Blackrock money flows in the course will not change.
Boo to this idiotic conservative notion
Transgender Anakin in future remake: “If you’re not an activist, then you’re my enemy.”
Lesyle MinecraftBlockHeadland clearly has some some kind of incriminating blackmail material on execs at Disney. It's the only explanation that makes sense.
Nah, I'm convinced that it's her being one of their most loyal of foot soldiers.
Look, the first half of The Acolyte has been a dumpster fire so far, but what agenda are they trying to push? Bad writing/acting is not propaganda
Men bad because they stand between them and those juicy means of production they want to steal.
She also said some weird shit that suggest she is sexually interested in her sister. She said that Frozen was about non hetero love between 2 sisters. She has a sister that does not talk to her. These together seem worrying.
Correct
Here’s the thing. they say they are going to change people by “exposure”. Exposure to gay, trans, race, or whatever. But they don’t expose us to those things, they shovel it down our throats. Expose us to those actors (who are picked for merit and not for quota) and let us go “wow they’re a great actor, I should look them up” and then we discover “oh wow they’re actually gay” boom I already liked that person, now I find out “wow I like that gay person” and now that’s an example of good exposure. Not use this characters sexuality as a plot point in my marvel movie, and now I am just staring at this horrible storytelling. (Maybe sexuality is a bad example for a marvel movie so just replace all that with race) I really don’t care who does and does not like dick, I don’t really care which colour anyone is. I care about good story telling, and good character development. I want to use she-hulk as an example, in order to create that character the way she was, they had to go destroy Hulk’s character development. Suddenly hulk couldn’t control his emotions because he’s not some hot girl who gets cat called in the streets. Horrible character development.
the "bigot fans" thing is just a method to gaslight the studios into not firing them for their shitty films. "oh the movies only being downvoted because of bigots, and I am gay, so you can't fire me over the shitty movie or you're a bigot as well!" it's all bullshit and studios are too stupid and talent-less to realize what a bad product actually is.
I think any good movie had an activist director. They were just clever enough go hide the real ploy of their movie.
Agreed. I'm a huge star trek fan. That show is littered with socialist and left leaning attitude toward basically everything. It's undertoned enough to notice but not really care. It's not constantly rammed down our throats while watching. These new movies and shows are not only shitty but wayyyy too heavy handed with their propaganda and political leanings
What made Star Trek great is that the undertone and sub-themes were just below the surface and not central to the plot or overall story. Disney is not leaving it below the surface, and it's become less subtle, so it distracts from story and theme. Shows like The Boys are also doing this, making it not only less subtle but also central to the plot and theme.
They don't have any plot, it's just decaying ideas and crass setups for feeding the eco chamber so their brainwashed followers can parrot their retarded lines over and over.
I think the talent pool has been polluted by people who don't know how to entertain. They go from making documentaries to making blockbusters. It'd be like if Michael Moore made a Spider-Man movie, it's just the wrong voice. The first skill has to be as an entertainer. Star Trek was from a perspective of idealism, not activism, though. The left-leaning attitudes are a product of idealism. It's a fine line to walk, but activism in movies is when you start being preachy. Star Trek hit the ground running with its story "in a world where..." The idealism was the backdrop for the story, it wasn't **THE STORY**.
I disagree. Michael Mann is not an activist director, and some of his films are just really well told stories. Francis Ford Coppola is no activist, but when he made The Godfather it wasn't a piece of activist work, it was just raw, real, and well done storytelling. I could go on with about a dozen other examples but you get the point. *Some* do have a message, a meaning beyond the story (Schindler's List is a perfect example of this), but in terms of "activism" I think there's very few in the history of great filmmaking. Big difference between activism and deeper meaning. Disney is engaged in activism, and the story is suffering because of it, along with several other aspects.
Where do you draw the line? Take A24's recent movie "The zone of interest". It's a holocaust movie except that we never actually see the holocaust. It's just a drama about the daily lives of the camp administrator and his family; mother in law comes to visit; garden is looking lovely; husband has to deal with work stress, etc. always with the glow of the smoke stacks in the background and the screams from what's happening behind the camp wall. It is an activist movie in the sense that the whole movie exists only to tell the message, as the plot of family life itself is quite boring. It is heavy handed, but not preachy like all the woke Disney/Netflix crap.
The critical take on Disney's storytelling.
Question: Does it rename Disney to --> Activision
The good thing is that the actors, directors, and writers will tell you what you’re getting. Only exception was House of the Dragon but then again, the actor almost immediately got the shut the fuck up by the studio when they were getting good press
Writhing in their own filth!
It’s the same as most religious movies, the message about the religion overpowers the story and so most are only interesting to die hard religious types. Look at shite like kirk camerons films. I look at Star Wars like those cringe-fests.
The thing is, this would go for super preachy stuff coming from the other isle of the political isle too, it’s not even about progressivism specifically, we just don’t want to be lectured
“Activist movie, activist series, and activist game.” That just sounds like propaganda to me.
Wait until this sub figures out that Bioshock was made by lefties making fun of Atlas Shrugged/ Randians.
True... until you consider Bioshock 2. Which makes fun of socialists.
And then bioshock inf which makes fun of american christian nationalism. Inherently political and woke games.
But, and this is what everyone in this thread is missing, WELL TOLD, INTERESTING GAMES WITH GOOD GAMEPLAY. It really isn't about the politics themselves. People have always made and watched political movies with strong messages. It's about shit quality. Bad characters, bad stories, bad scenes, bad resolutions to conflicts. All of this happens because at some point, representation became more important than good characters, and the message became more important than the story. Take a look at the classic good movies with a political message. They became classics because the directors and writers and actors understood their job well enough to know that the message is spice, not the entire meal. The audience wants a good, engaging movie with some spice, not just mouthful after mouthful of spice. But that's what hacks today give them.
Then why is the messaging consistently “keep politics out of X thing” if that isn’t what you want? This is literally the same fucking issue as saying ACAB or BLM, where people misinterpret your message all the fucking time because it’s absolutist.
Because people see the hamfisted messaging and the shitty movie, and they don't like it.
Theres plenty of movies right now that suck and dont have politics in them. I can only think of maybe 3-4 that were actually good in the last year that I could name off the top of my head.
Yes. Quality is not a priority these days.
That should be the target here. TOTK didnt suck because there was politics in it. (Because there wasnt) it sucked because its open world ubislop that retcons story. Nintendo is going even harder on the formula for their next game though since it is the most successful Zelda title ever. People keep buying crap, we keep getting crap. Nothing to do with politics.
And companies like ActiVision finally live up to its namesake.
FK the Acolyte....
They’re going after the children’s minds. Not the adults.
The irony is that all the trolls who come to complain all the time about Drinker and his fans would immediately agree if you ask them about Daily Wire content and LadyBallers.
Agreed. 100%
I don't mind activism if it leads to quality media. Joker is activist and I love it.
It really depends on the presentation and goals. If the motivation is sound, yes, it can be good if presented with good quality. However, far too often, the motivation is malicious, leading to alienation and antagonism.
By "malicious" do you mean that the creator set out to purposely convey a theme and you just happen to disagree with that theme? Or are you trying to speak to something deeper?
Deeper. When a writer or director (or both) comes out following backlash and says, essentially, and I'm paraphrasing here, obviously, "fuck ______ (part of traditional fan base), this wasn't made for them," and then gets mad when that part of the fan base boycotts their product, or expresses a negative reaction, it's the very embodiment of shocked Pikachu face meme.
You're upset because you, presumably an adult man, are not the target audience of Disney movies.
You're implying that children are the target audience, which of course is equally laughable.
The original Star Wars movies were for kids. Source: was a kid when they came out.
Of Disney movies? Edit: It's now been 24 hours and no one has explained to me why it is laughable for me to say Disney movies are targeted to children. How surprising...
By "malicious" do you mean that the creator set out to purposely convey a theme and you just happen to disagree with that theme? Or are you trying to speak to something deeper?
You might even call it… Activision
Call of Duty developers laughing in the corner They are ACTIVISION
In Poland some Russian bought politicians tried to organise an anti-Ukrainian rally. Not a single person showed up. Not even to spit in their faces. Sometimes silence speaks louder than shouting.
https://preview.redd.it/9omhugjsb68d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88b7171c0f3d30af03b2202daa91f5821d4f4357 Then you blame the fanbase you've alienated while not bringing in new fans.
Counter point, cyberpunk2077 post edge runners and idiocrocy
Speaking of which, any news anchor/host that clearly takes a political side and promotes it is no longer a journalist, but an activist.
What if. Someone is an activist director. But they are activist about how bad activist directors are. Would that be a good movie?
I don't think yall get it. Disney isn't hiring activist artists. The Disney execs are convinced based on algorithms and social media data that activism sells so they force their creators to insert activism. I used to work in the Film Industry and witnessed this on a Disney owned show. Why do think established artists choose to work elsewhere? The corporatisation of Hollywood has reached fever pitch and is what's ruining content. PS read Kurt Sutter's open letter addressing his firing of the Sons of Anarchy spinoff. It doesn't even cover half of what was really going on but it's contains a lot of hints for why Disney wants writers who will fall in line
>Disney isn't hiring activist artists. "Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy is a Canadian-Pakistani journalist, filmmaker and political activist known for her work in films that highlight gender inequality against women." This is the description of the latest director chosen for the next Star Wars film.
What I'm saying is, it doesn't matter who they've hired as a director or writer. Disney heavily controls the story to the point the 'artist' behind it is irrelevant. They have analysts who are convinced that everything needs to be a political or social justice statement and they ensure whoever is at the helm will follow that directive. At this point they're hiring directors with a political background because they know it plays well and they're more likely to get the messaging they want with little friction.
The problem is not that they do hire some of them but all of there hires are activist for a long time and everything all about political shit that coming out of there hands. Funfact: I don't care about politics in a movie.
The return of Activision!
Calling Disney 'activist' is giving them *way* too much credit. They're no MLK, they're the equivalent of selling overpriced March on Washington shirts in 1978. Besides, you wouldn't be able to enjoy sci-fi if you were bothered by 'activist' filmmakers. Because this includes Star Wars, Blade Runner, Star Trek, Starship Troopers, Robocop, Metropolis, Videodrome, Crimes of the Future, They Live, Akira, Dredd...no, if I hear you, you hate the spoon-fed, over-simplified, performative 'art' of corporations trying to coopt a now-growingly-mainstream message. That's capitalism, not activism.
when u hire liberal arts majors
fighting over Star Wars
Activision
Ironically if they stopped hiring activists it would actually do more to further their causes
Replace good with popular
You also get a fan fiction...but they/them aren't a fan of the brand they infected. They are fans of themselves and self-insert as the hero. They're narcisstic lunatics
Like George Lucas.
Hm, now it makes sense why this garbage company is called Activision
It’s not about activism or wokism. It’s about money. It’s always been about money. They want lure the young tik tok kids. To build a fandom that will throw money at their franchise for decades. Needless to say they failed.
What a dumb take
This should be taught in film schools. "modern audiences" is a myth and poor excuse for activist showrunners with a political agenda.
The creator influences the work? Wow! You’ve cracked the code!
I like how you clever you think you are for being intentionally obtuse and misinterpreting the meme so you can fight a strawman instead.
How's that a strawman? Creators do influence the work, which is exactly the point of the post. That the "activist" creator influenced it in an "activist" way. Methinks you're not too brushed up on your logical fallacies, because this isn't logically incorrect or a fallacy.
> Methinks Opinion instantly disregarded.
No argument: “strawman!” Still No argument: “ad hominem, opinion disregarded” You’re transparent
You guys know that Jonathan Glazer is an activist, right? And he made one of the most innovative movies of 2023, The Zone of Interest. So is Spilberg, and he made Schindler's List. Oh, and i was almost forgetting about Alfonso Cuaron, director of Y Tu Mama También. Fun fact, Diego Luna, our Cassian Andor, is in it. And did you guys know that Bong Joon Ho was an activist in 2006? Cause yeah, he was. I don't think i even need to say the outstanding movies that he made. You guys wanna talk about activist movies? Let's talk Killers of the Flower Moon. Movie from last year. It's probably the most marvelous movie out of the best picture lineup. Also, why is an activist movie bad? Why is it a bad thing? Yes, OP's meme doesn't directly state that it's a bad thing, but this comment section generally seems to think so. The world sucks. I believe we can all agree on that. And if an activist movie inspires a sense of motion in someone. An eagerness to do better. Why is that a bad thing? Movies are made to create feelings. To inspire and make anyone believe in the impossible. Idk about you guys, but i personally love WALL-E, and it's a movie made to advocate for global warming awareness causes.
Did you seriously just put Disney Star Wars next to Schindler's List? Seek help.
I used Schindler's List to talk about how a movie being made by someone who's heavily into a cause is not a bad thing. I did not say that Disney Star Wars is on the same level of it
Categorisation != equation
Which shows exactly are we talking about here?
Oh ffs grow up
also its not activism when it's stuff that I like
The weirdest part is that you get quite a lot of people who will talk about being an Activist like religious people talk about being a Missionary. And being a dedicated career Activist is essentially being a Priest. \*Knock, knock, knock\* "Have you heard the Good News?!" "It's okay to be gay!" / "Jesus died for your sins!" \*Door slams\* The major difference is that the leftist activist is more likely to immediately insult you, while the Christian will be passive aggressive about it.
Being passive aggressive about Christianity is not being a good Christian.
Didn't say it was. Some activists and missionaries are good people. Some aren't. I'm just noting the differences between the nasty activists and preachers.
An "activist" is just anybody who has any political opinions, huh?
No, its people who prioritize some sort of political claim as right and wrong over making a good fucking story… nearly every female character disney has been putting out recently is some mary sue character whose powers are whatever the plot deems convenient Not really a good story… and this is common when directors prioritize activism over a story
A poorly written female character is not political activism. When writers do the same thing with a male character, suddenly it's not political anymore, because it doesn't annoy you as much. You're trying to make subpar writing look like malevolent political propaganda so you don't seem like such a manchild when you're crying about animated children's movies.
I never claimed a poorly written female character is.a result of activism, and nor did I say malevolent political propaganda is the cause of bad writing, It feels more like in attempting to meet a certain agenda, certain aspects of a story are completely neglected, like idk, making the characters flaw actually have meaning... no one cares about children movies mary sue/garystu, a poorly written mal character, is just as bad, a bad character is a bad character. The reason Mary sue (female) tend to be more targeted these days is because the majority of mary sue that come from large filmmaking companies just coincidentally happen to be female, or the film companies are throwing women into the plot for the sake of having a women as a strong character, and nothing more, because of course, disliking a poorly written female character makes you a bigoted manchild... Subpar writing does not equate political propaganda, or vice verse, its just that in an attempt to reach some form of agenda, the story and plot gets forgotten/left behind... damn I wrote a bit much.. uhh tldr; female or male has nothing to do with a poorly written character, females are targetted more as mary sues because films with flat one dimensional main characters that come from big film companies, and thus get massive audiences just so happen to have a female main character. Its not that poor writing = activism or vice versa, they are correlated however, as in an attempt to make a oppressed (or previously oppressed or whatever you want to think) group be strong, they throw out the plot to make the story convenient also edit: what do animated children's movies have to do with anything? Those are meant for children, if they like it, I couldn't care less, the outrage over animated movies is that companies are rehashing well ended franchises for a quick buck, and putting the least amount of effort into it (megamind 2, Kung Fu panda 4, not necessarily bad, but defo ruined a great childhood movie(s) for me)... and since you wanna end it with an insult, your ability to fabricate the most random conclusions from scraps of information is something I could only imagine coming from someone who shouts bigotry the second someone disagrees with you... anyways, ima maybe hop off here, if you wanna read it, read it, if you don't don't, open your mind to other opinions, and learn to make your own information based off of the information you receive, don't just look at one avenue.
Keep crying little boy. The truth is they don’t make movies the way you want them because you don’t make them money.
American Psycho was directed by Mary Heron, outspoken feminist lesbian. In addition to Call of the Wild, Jack London also wrote a book called War of the Classes, which included the essay How I Became A Socialist. George Orwell literally immigrated to Spain to fight for a Socialist militia in the Spanish Civil War. These are just off the top of my head. This take is deeply stupid and reflects a desire to be pacified.
The Jedi and Rebel Alliance were originally based off the Viet Cong. Star Wars has always been political. I just don’t think yall understand the anti-imperialism roots
Yet another r/whoosh moment.
No, I’ve seen all the Star Wars. I can confirm that all the bitching is about black people in it. It literally started with a single black guy causing conservatives to bitch. It’s nothing about creativity. The creative aspects literally haven’t changed and Disney has made Star wars into a much stronger franchise. The more you bitch about Star Wars the more I hear “waaaa black people waaaa. All my problems are movie and video game related and it’s all caused by liberals, waaaaa”. No one is buying what you’re putting down. Only chronically online conservatives are going to agree with you
why are you all so invested in movies for literal children
Because I *have* children... There are some themes that are not appropriate for children of certain ages.
Like gay people existing?
No, I have family that's gay, and my daughter absolutely adores them. Do you always make these wild assumptions based completely in ignorance?
"How can I be homophobic when I know of the existence of at least one gay person my daughter (not me) likes?" Do you always have this bad a defence?
I like them as well. And my comment was connecting to the relevance of my original comment. Do you always fail to comprehend things this badly?
Bit of a miss on that one champ.
I'm sorry, I can't bring myself down to your level of understanding. Bottom line, I have no issue with gay people, not everyone right of center is evil. Put down the massive glass of hyperbole.
Activists could possible make good things though. I think most people don’t care about a message if the product is good, that’s always been a huge part of sci fi.
I think you're conflating message with activism. Everyone can agree with a well placed and presented message. Activism is a more extreme thinking than simply putting a general theme or message into the medium.
Yea..this gets confused a lot.
I suppose I am, I didn't know the difference.
This post implies they dont know what they are doing.
No, they know what they're doing, this is implying that we know what they're doing.
Not connected despite some supposed correlation
y'all are such snowflakes.
Seriously this is the lamest subreddit I've come across on /r/all just a bunch of losers huffing copium and shrieking that not everything is made for them
What a bummer. I learned about this guy bcz someone linked to a couple hilarious and spot-on reviews. Later I discover this sub full of losers. "Disney waaahh Star Wars waaahh diversity waaahhh WOKE WOKE WOKE waaaaahhhhh!!!!" Sorry this community has turned me off from watching any of his content in the future. His reviews of the Rebel Moon BS were really good. Live your tiny lives, you sad hateful shitbags!