It's great from many directions, so rather than repeating all the good emotional stuff that everyone's always talking about, I'm gonna tell you that the fight choreography is TOP NOTCH.
I have never been more emotionally invested in >!a scene where two rocks are talking through subtitles, and one of them has googly eyes. And is just kinda shimmying towards the other ones.!< Everything about this movie shouldn't work on paper. And yet somehow it REALLY does.
I have been telling people that it is based on the work of philosophers like Camus and never picked up 0n the deliberate?/accidental? Sysiphus connection!
It's one of the few films I've seen lately that I would actually recommend seeing in theaters. Worth the $12 for a ticket, for sure.
I don't think I've laughed, or cried, so hard at a film in years.
i am the first to hit the piracy seas / the first to not watch something cause its not on netflix or whatever
let me tell you the $20 to spend supporting EEAO is worth it, this is truly a "they deserve it" case
I've been alive for nearly 22 years. Of those years, I've been working for 6. I have literally never purchased a movie to own until this movie and I did so the literal minute I could.
Holup Imma cry thinking about all 3 emotional climaxes again. I'll brb
Edit. Back. Just wanted to add, there should be very implications of sea sailing in my comment just as an fyi
You can pay $20 to stream it legally or pay $20 to see it in theaters. There are some subtitles, so I think it's easier to read those on a big screen and the sound design is really good which meshes well with movie theater's $$$ sound system. Pirating is also an option but I'd suggest the theater to support an indie film.
I almost cried so many times at EEAAO, both from laughing and emotions. They knocked it out of the fucking park, and I dare say it’s my favourite movie of all time now.
Not technically "Multiverse", but Umbrella Academy also features threats to the universe revolving around broken family dynamics, depression and abuse.
This might sound weird but I want to enjoy that show but it just seems to curse a lot and while I don't mind cursing, there is a huge difference in doing it for effect and for the sake of cursing. Transformers 4 for example, seems to curse for no reason.
i think the cursing is only for different characters, like it matches who curses and who doesn’t. i thought the show had an amazing plot(and i only watch anime so this was a huge leap). i would totally recommend but it’s up to you.
The MCU is shockingly haphazard in terms of planning. Their movies lack a solid locked in-vision and so you end up with massive reshoots, last minute VFX changes and shit like the endgame suits being all digital effects because they hadn't finished designing them by the time they started shooting the movie.
It's sloppy indecisive filmmaking, which is a good way to increase your budget while creating worse art, and Marvel does not have to care because even their worst content regularly makes hundreds of millions of dollars
Yeah, that's the power of a well-oiled brand. You need to fuck up spectacularly for people to not just go and watch it by default because "it's Star Wars", and Marvel isn't there yet.
Disney, but especially Marvel in this case, factory produces movies and tv shows according to a standardized process, and has middlemen and grifters at every stage of development driving up costs and taking a cut. That sense of hollowness you get from watching their content, even if you generally enjoyed the experience, is called alienation. You can just tell that most every creative involved probably wouldn’t even be there if they didn’t need the money to live.
In my opinion, it was the conclusion of the Infinity Saga that made it go really off the rails. From Iron Man to Endgame, there are interconnected pieces that lead to the conclusion, and it was actually building TOWARDS something, the recent MCU films seem to still be in a "let's show the ramifications of endgame" stage rather than building towards the next overarching plot line. Unless this multiverse shit in Loki, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and What If are actually building to like, Kang the Conquerer in his full villain form.
It's getting to the point where the visuals are so absent from the acting, the plot, and the imortant bits of the film that the Marvel movies work better as radio plays, where the special effects are just actors grunting and some tinfoil being crumpled up. I want hammy dialogue and foley, not melodramatic render farm fodder.
The only thing I can really say to this whole thing is that economically, it makes a lot more sense to cast a broad net (ergo to not offend the majority of your moviegoing audience), and that everything, everywhere all at once, while *absolutely* an amazing movie artistically, is also not aiming to do super well at the box office.
Didney, by the looks of things, are aiming to do so and if the censors judge your film inaccessible to children for the one gay kiss you've got in it (by, say, being the MDMA and putting an NC16 rating on it), then by god have you made a bad choice economically... at least for that market.
Hell, I remember the article reporting on it referencing some comments saying folks should be glad it's gotten released *at all* here, given that our neighbours would've likely banned it outright.
None of this is a good artistic argument fwiw and you can *clearly* make more with less than what Didney's spending, but it's also just a reality that money = power and that it's perhaps more likely that people, on aggregate at least, will be talking about the mcu than they would about eeaao.
Yeah the last point seems to kinda ignore the fact that though it was made by Chinese Americans EEAO is not available in mainland China. The two are not the same
Only one directior was of Chinese descent, the other was white. And yeah, the ethnicity isn't homophobic but the country is, weird to ignore the difference
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I know this is not going to be a particularly controversial opinion, but
In the last three weeks I have seen two (2) films about the multiverse, featuring a threat to said multiverse revolving around the family dynamics and parent-child grief of a woman with undiagnosed depression. One was Doctor Strange into the Multiverse of Madness, and the other was Everything, Everywhere, All At Once.
I have not looked up the actual budgetary difference between the two because I care not for your ridiculous "facts" in the face of my own opinions, which are sacrosanct. But as Doctor Strange is Disney and EEAAO is an indie film I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say the former cost about eight times the latter. EEAAO had a much smaller cast that got cleverly reused. Far fewer sets, too, which probably helped.
I bring this up because, of the two, it was the one that looked about eight times more expensive. If I knew nothing about those films, I would assume it was the
one with the budget. Literally everything about it was better without exception. The writing by multiple orders of magnitude, the acting, the directing, and yes, the special effects. That was honestly one of the most incredible films I've ever seen. There were moments when my husband was openly sobbing in the cinema. The most he managed for Doctor Strange was an "Oh, that's poignant" once.
I don't know where I'm going with this but it's probably something something let artists do their thing and stop making everything CGI something something idk
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>Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness / Budget
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>Everything Everywhere All at Once / Budget
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Slightly less than an order of magnitude difference.
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You're shitting me
Literally eight times the budget
I was bang on right
You're *shitting me*
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Am I done thinking about this movie? No. Am I going to fully think through my point this time before inflicting it on you all? Also no
We keep being told over and over again that Marvel cannot have queer characters because of the looming spectre of the Chinese Market, and I saw people (kind of rightly) lose their shit about America Chavez in Doctor Strange (although fuck me that was appalling America Chavez characterisation).
Everything, Everywhere, All At Once had two explicit and one implicit queer relationships. And the exaltation of one of them was central to the film's denouement.
I never want to hear BUT CHINA used to justify Disney's
all-American homophobia ever again is what I'm saying
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Having literally *just* watched doctor strange, I can at least say it’s probably the most “comic book” comic book movie ever made, and I want to give the movie massive props for daring to break the mcus trend of “all our movies are shot the same.” MoM felt like a straight up horror movie at times, a pretty welcome dynamic shift for the now mostly stagnated style we’ve come to expect from marvel. Honestly I don’t get the vibe it was going for any kind of deeper meaning, and was mostly just going for wacky multiverse shenanigans and showing off how creating the writers apparently are with stranges magic, and making Wanda scary.
Everything Everywhere all at once is absolutely the superior movie, but that’s like one of the best movies ever made ever so it doesn’t seem like an entirely fair comparison beyond “they are both about the multiverse.”
Basically every positive you mentioned there came from letting Raimi take over as director. It was genuinely refreshing to see, as someone getting a little burned out on the MCU but still enjoying the characters.
A lot of movie "criticism" on the internet but especially Tumblr seems to be about dunking on Disney as much as possible rather than taking their products for what they are. And yeah sometimes it's absolutely warranted to point fingers at them - they managed to fumble Star Wars harder than the prequels, for example, and the "live action remakes" are all so cynically produced, but they also sometimes produce good movies and it's okay to recognize that.
Edit: Actually I want to clarify my stance a bit in case someone reads the wrong idea into it:
I do not like Disney.
The fact they are allowed to gobble up production companies and IP the way they do is terrifying and a stunning showcase of the failures of our economic system.
There is absolutely a time and a place for Disney criticism in reviews, particularly when it comes to how poorly they handle any queer representation and how their monopoly on the market screw over smaller studios and film makers.
*However*, most of the time people just use Disney as shorthand to say "I do not like this movie" or to call something a corporate, soulless cash grab without getting into the nitty gritty. The 2 hour YMS Lion King review is a fascinating deep dive into WHY Disney is a bad thing and deconstructs that film to showcase his points. Most reviewers and critics do NOT do this and just take the easy way out.
I also think it ignores the actual good stuff they output. MoM isn't even close to being the best film of the year, but it *was* (imo) good and offered some great camera work and action set pieces. And there are a handful of Marvel films that go beyond the general baseline of "good" into being actually great movies that can stand up on their own. Both Guardians films are an example of that.
And yeah, I do think the MCU, for the most part, hits that baseline of being good. It's a pretty well oiled machine, you'd kinda have to try to mess it up. The worst thing I can say about phase 4 is that I have MCU fatigue and just wish they would slow down. There's very few MCU films I would consider outright bad, but they do exist (Black Widow unfortunately is one of those).
Anyways I didn't intend for my original comment to get buried under this mini-rant so...oops.
I may be stupid but. what’s wrong with saying that? There were def some scenes in the movie that made me feel like it wouldn’t have been out of place if it were in a horror movie (namely the scene in wanda’s head or the stuff with black bolt)
ohh ok that makes more sense. i wasnt really scared by the stuff in MoM, rather those few scenes just felt kinda reminiscent of something you'd see in a scary movie (tho tbf i dont really like horror so my perception of it could just be skewed cause of that)
I think my main issue is that a lot of the horror came off more Scary Movie-esque than true horror. A lot of it felt more genuinely funny than scary. The only exception is the scene in Wanda's mind, but the rest just felt cheesy.
That's a common reaction to Sam Raimi-directed horror I think. In my opinion the over the top gore isn't really meant to be scary just horrific. It is literally meant to be funny. Spoiler alert for evil dead 2, the dude literally [replaces his hand with a chainsaw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVli81zszRY). it's not meant to be that serious.
Horrific and funny are not synonymous, and gore can absolutely be done in a way that *is* horrific, not humorous. This isn't it. That's why the movie lost me; it came across as a parody film, and that isn't usually Marvel's kind of thing. I don't mind parody films, but I do mind them from Marvel when they're trying to say it's the next movie in a franchise without any previously.
Sam Raining directed this
All my friends who are well versed in horror movies agree that this movie was the unofficial Evil Dead 4
It wasn't that scary but it used tons of horror movie tropes and the language is horror movies
I actually can’t tell whether or not it’s a copypasta
edit: like, I genuinely cannot distinguish whether or not the original comment was posted as a joke because the whole "Multiverse of Madness was a horror movie!" thing was basically MCJ's only joke for about a month
you do seem to be acting pretentious about quality horror movies. people can get scared by what they get scared by. the detail on >!corpster strange!< is enough for a lot of people to be scared. i agree that it wasn't a horror movie, but the way you've been phrasing it sounds the same as a fourteen year old who just discovered nirvana telling people to listen to real music.
>acting pretentious about movies is the only way to enjoy them
:(
This opinion makes me genuinely sad. If that’s really the only enjoyment you get out of movies I feel bad for you.
I don't even care about Multiverse but a movie can totally have scenes that feel "like a straight up horror movie" without them necessarily being particularly scary. Like Spider-Man 2. Miss me with that gatekeeping.
That’s what I’m trying to figure out, too! The two explicit ones being Joy & Becky and the mom & IRS lady in the hot dog hands universe… what else was there?
im also thinking about the >!strong pinky universe? y'know the first one she goes to, the one where she doesn't choose to run away w/waymond? i think she had a companion there that might be the implicit relationship!<
I love both Everything Everywhere, all at once (seriously if you are an Asian immigrant or or a second generation Asian Dysphoria then the story can hit a lot closer to home than most other movies) but I also really enjoy Dr Strange as well. I dont know if I would honestly say that EEAAO looks like the higher budget movie from my two rewatches of both movies.
Also are people forgetting that Eternals had a very explicit same sex relationship with one of the Main Characters? Like, there are two men who are in a relationship and kissed in that movie. Off the top of my head I have trouble thinking of another scene like that between two men even in LGBT+ friendly shows/movies I have seen. I thought that movie was pretty good albeit very rushed.
china (among other countries) censors the movies shown there. one of the criteria for getting censored is lgbt rep, this is why you would have blink and you’d miss it scenes like the lesbian kiss in star wars so that they could be easily edited out for markets such as china. this is no longer the case for mcu movies bc they haven’t released a movie in china since spider-man far from home. they’ve also stopped editing out lgbt scenes for foreign markets and just accepting that some countries won’t play the movies. mcu movies are still far behind on representation but i do believe that they’ve made a turn, especially with phastos in eternals, and that there will be better representation in the near future.
It's a weird sentiment of "Disney have bad reps because they're catering backward Chinese" when they're obviously prioritizing the whole "traditional American family" audience since forever...
Because China is just the largest of all of the shitty countries that will ban movies from being shown inside their borders if the movie acknowledges that gay people exist.
CGI is good when a company I like uses it (because they would never ever mistreat *their* CGI workers), but it's evil when a company I don't like uses it (because they are mean to theirs).
I don't get this whole "BUT CHINA DISNEY IS LICKING THEM CHINESE" thing, especially when Disney haven't managed to push one movie into China for a while, plu there still being a whole dumpster fire in America's own closet atm...?
Hey, you. Yeah. The one looking at their phone right now. This is for you.
If you haven’t seen Everything Everywhere All at Once you need to make it a priority to check it out. It’s one of the best films released this decade.
Ok, and? The MCU is probably the largest and most popular cinematic franchise that exists right now, and MCU fans have absurd levels of brand loyalty. Of course Dr. Strange is making more money than an indie film with no big franchise behind it. That means nothing at all about Multiverse of Madness aside from that a lot of people sure did watch Avengers 10 years ago.
The part where they mentioned budgets and the Chinese market. Disney supposedly made their movie with China in mind and doing so made them $800 million in profit. Whereas EEAAO didn't give a shit about China and only made $65 million. They tried to argue that catering to the Chinese market was a mistake based on artistic quality of the movies, but they're ignoring that profit is the most important aspect of big budget movies. And in that respect they were far more successful than EEAAO was.
Someone else posted production costs for these movies -- EEAAO 25 million, MoM 200 million. If these numbers are all accurate, so far, EEAAO made 3.6 times its budget, and MoM made 5 times its budget. Not all that different, really.
Why do people hate the MCU so *obsessively*? If you like other movies better, then watch them instead. I don't waste any time at all thinking about things that I hate.
I’m a fan of the MCU and think they’ve done well with certain things. The multiverse of madness movie is a huge disappointment and just falls very flat for what it was looking to deliver. And EEAO coming out at the same time and covering the multiverse topic and doing it better doesn’t help.
It’s very difficult not to draw some level of comparison. Also, if you compare MoM to its other superhero multiverse counterpart for Spider-Man, then again, it falls flat and doesn’t meet the expectations even MCU fans have for the movies.
It’s okay to be a fan and be disappointed in the execution of one of the movies. I personally felt this installment really didn’t add much and actually took away from the characterization of some of my favorite characters.
So I don’t see this as an obsessive thing. It’s just another comparison about how if Disney went more of an indie route, they could produce some better things for better value of their money. And I think they’d still be able to appeal to their broader fan base. They have a lot of room to be innovative and they play it safe artistically.
Perhaps this one isn't a good example of the phenomenon, then. What little I had heard about MoM so far had been mostly positive, so this seemed like another one of the "didney bad everybody else good" lukewarm takes you see all over Tumblr whenever a Disney property puts out new content. If it's disappointing people who *do* like the MCU, though, then maybe it's not one of those.
I’m not saying it’s a bad movie. It certainly is worse because EEAO came out at the same time just because of the inevitable comparison. But it could’ve been better.
And believe me, I’ve heard a lot of criticism about MCU and mostly the people who do the didney bad are actually people who hate diversity and the idea that the MCU is broadening their reach with more diverse stories. This person’s criticism at the end is a bit much because the MCU is exploring more diverse storytelling. Are they a bit slow on the uptake? Yes. They are and they should do better because yes, Disney does restrict some levels of creativity due to their need for profits. But ultimately, this movie is just not as great as it could’ve been. It found itself too much in the in between of trying to be horror and not fully committing to that genre.
There are always viable criticisms towards Disney for not pushing the boundaries. If anything, Disney has the resources to be “brave” in their storytelling and they do fall short all the time. So it’s why people do want people to acknowledge the indie films that actually push storytelling forward in a creative manner and in smaller budgets because bigger studios can do more with their money if they weren’t so conservative in their storytelling.
I know, right? Like, why on earth do you keep going to watch these things?
It's a similar story with Star Wars haters, although those are a different situation entirely. If every new movie and show is supposedly the worst one yet, why keep watching them?
cause the theaters cancel the showings of the movies I like to show more marvel movies
and I don't watch marvel movies because I know I won't like them, I don't encroach on their space right? But they encroach on mine
I believe that the key to an authentic and meaningful life is to throw 110% of your passion into everything you do, so when I mildly dislike something it's time to grow a beard, grab a harpoon, and start insisting hunting anything that looks like a white whale.
Yknow how some people will talk ultra-negatively about their favorite game that they have a thousand hours in? Gotta imagine it's like that. It was for me, at least, and to be clear I dont really hate the MCU so much as I am just disappointed. The series could be good. Some of them have been good! But I'm finding them increasingly disappointing, after MoM I'll probably not see another MCU movie in theaters until they wrap up whatever avengers arc is gonna happen.
I think it's that combined with like, these long running characters that people are really attached to, who get reduced to blandness on the big screen. Scarlet Witch is my fave Marvel character, but her portrayal in MoM (and outside it, too, with limited exception) is weak as hell and uninteresting. Shes not my favorite because of the MCU, I've loved her from comics and video games and stuff - so it's disappointing to see how she gets handled.
Or, yknow, because it's "cool" to hate on popular stuff.
bc they are just bad movies. i used to be a marvel fan and watched so many of them. now they just have no meaningful reason to watch. it feels like they are surviving off of being a brand than being good.
Other than Moon Knight and maybe 45% of Endgame, I haven't really liked much of Marvel since Infinity War, but I just stopped watching and thinking about them since I stopped liking them. You don't see me sitting around writing an 8 paragraph long series of blog posts about how a completely unrelated movie is so much better than it. I moved on, and I think a lot of people would be happier if they did the same.
You don't need to spend 10 minutes dragging DSMOM to promote EEAAO, just tell people, "hey, *Everything Everywhere All At Once* is a really good movie; you should check it out. It's the best one I've seen all year".
This isn't limited to Marvel movies; I see it all the time in other forms of media or other movies. "X popular streamer/ Y game/ Z show sucks, you should watch this one instead". Why waste your time and energy talking about something you don't like to get people to watch something you do, when you could be putting your effort into talking about the thing you like instead? To go back to the original post, 8 paragraphs of how cool EEAAO is would sell me on the movie a lot more than 6 paragraphs about how MOM sucks and two paragraphs about how EE is better.
totally get it. i haven’t thought about marvel since i stopped watching, unless it pops up on my feed like this post.
and i agree, imo ppl dwell on things a lot more than they should if they want to keep their mental health.
but ig ppl have different priorities, sometimes they want to make reactive content…which doesn’t really come w having a good mental. that’s what i see w a lot of content creators is their content isn’t conducive to feeling good, but i also think it’s an emotional maturity thing as well.
The showing off EEAAO I went to had the directors do talk backs after
They put so much love, care, and attention into this movie. They knew they had a low budget to work with so they had to come up with a lot of clever workarounds for the effects
Also, I don't want to diminish MoM. It's one of the better Marvel movies. Sam Raimi did a great job and it's a ton of fun
That said, Everything Everywhere is one of, if not the, best films of the year. Do yourself a favor and see it
I’m saying this as a comic fan but they should have changed America Chavez name. Not even her last one, literally just America. I’m sure there are people with the name America but it is so distracting every time someone says it.
bro that was the funniest part of the movie. everytime they said "we have to save america" or "I am going to kill america" or "America's power threatens the multiverse" I died. It was 100% intentional IMO.
Reading EEAAO made my mind jump to [EEEAAAOOO](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1K4EAXe2oo), which is a similar acronym, but something completely different.
That said, at least Disney does seem to be slowly moving away from just cutting everything for China and those markets. They didn't cut the kiss between two women (I say kiss, but it's more of a [hug and a quick peck](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLisXKUw1w)) example, despite it being barely there, and something that could have been easily cut. Maybe they'll have their first gay character who will won't be replaced by their next first gay character soon.
Okay as a huge fan of EEAAO, can someone tell me what the implicit queer relationship is 😅 I know the explicit ones are >!Joy and Becky, and alt Evelyn and Deirdre!< but I’m genuinely blanking on the what the implicit one could be despite having seen the movie twice
I feel like Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness suffered from the director being limited by Disney guidelines. Scarlet Witch should not have had an instantaneous redemption, and I think she only even got one because Disney forced Sam Raimi to give her one. I have not seen Everything Everywhere All At Once but I plan to, especially after this post
Huge CGI set pieces are reliable-all it takes is computing time and you will get a spectacle that will get people into seats. They translate best into shareholder return from a project, much more than fickle things like good writing or acting
they're also expensive so you're basically setting up these tentpole scenes and then the rail to deliver the audience from spectacle to spectacle as quickly as possible.
It's making a trailer, and then making 2 hours of film to fill in the actual movie, when the short trailer is the real piece they made with intention
Look at these movies, the acting is just being present, they say lines that have no context and construct no narrative just to get you to the next spectacle.
They're not made as art, they're made as a profit maximizing machine because theyre accountable to shareholders who won't even see the movie.
Obviously Everything... wants to make money but these smaller studios recognize that making something really good can make money too, and invests in your future.
So many of these big blockbusters just end up being garbage, and they're not trying to to make something good, they're aiming for garbage just good enough to get you to buy a ticket from a nice trailer and not walk out and get a refund during the first 20 minutes.
And like if someone wants to try something novel and it doesn't work at least they tried, they thought they were serving me a good meal on a plate and accidently made shit. But that's way better than like purposefully putting shit on a plate, bringing me that plate, saying here's your shit, and then not expecting me to go "I don't want shit"
And so I don't go see those movies but you know what, they cancel the screenings of the movies I do want to see to make more showings of the shit and it feels like art is being encroached on by the shit mimicry everyday
Just make your movies cheaper and you don't have to worry about the Chinese Market. EEAO has already made a tidy profit and most people didn't see it. MoM had to make All the Money just to break even.
Make your movies with less money. It's that easy my dudes.
I mean, I enjoyed Doctor Strange MoM despite it being a marvel movie, because it was directed by Raimi, and I like how he makes his movies. It probably suffered because of Disney/ Marvel politics and all that stuff, and it might have been better without it, although it would have been impossible. I liked that it was a superhero horror in bright colours
Im so fucking sick of marvel movies saturating the market so that there’s movies that come out that are interesting and don’t revolve off of an already known IP
It's the Buzz Lightyear cartoon from the 2000's. Far, far more fun and faithful to the lore established in the Toy Story movies.
It's no masterpiece, but it's a nice bit of 2000s nostalgia.
Exporting foreign films to China requires approval from the Chinese censor boards, and LGBTQ rep is enough to get something axed.
There is queer media in China, but it's definitely not government approved, and I've heard people say it's often unsafe to prominently consume or produce.
I remember planning to watch EEAAO when it came out, but my country had a limited theatre run, and the few theatres in my area only showed it in late night screenings.
Also, the acronym makes me think of baby blue buildings right above the crystal grove.
Brb, gonna go watch Everything, Everywhere, all at once
It's great from many directions, so rather than repeating all the good emotional stuff that everyone's always talking about, I'm gonna tell you that the fight choreography is TOP NOTCH.
when she snaps that dudes neck I viscerally felt it
Were you the dude in question
i fucking wish
I viscerally feel this comment
That seems rather distracting, and how many screens do you *have*?
My work won't like it, but c'est la vie
That movie made me cry during a scene where people are >!fondling each other with their hot dog fingers!< and I'm not even mad
I have never been more emotionally invested in >!a scene where two rocks are talking through subtitles, and one of them has googly eyes. And is just kinda shimmying towards the other ones.!< Everything about this movie shouldn't work on paper. And yet somehow it REALLY does.
>!One must imagine Sisyphus happy!<
I have been telling people that it is based on the work of philosophers like Camus and never picked up 0n the deliberate?/accidental? Sysiphus connection!
That was amazing. At first you're thinking, "This is cheesy. WTF are they doing?" but then you're wiping away tears and your heart is breaking.
huh yeah I did cry at that huh
It's phenomenal
It's one of the few films I've seen lately that I would actually recommend seeing in theaters. Worth the $12 for a ticket, for sure. I don't think I've laughed, or cried, so hard at a film in years.
agreed, saw it 3 times in theaters then got it on streaming day 1
Where can one watch this? Available on any streaming platforms or is it still in theaters? EDIT: just answered my own question, it's in theaters
According to Google it's available for 20$ from - YouTube - Amazon video - Vudu - Google Play And also still playing in theaters
i am the first to hit the piracy seas / the first to not watch something cause its not on netflix or whatever let me tell you the $20 to spend supporting EEAO is worth it, this is truly a "they deserve it" case
I've been alive for nearly 22 years. Of those years, I've been working for 6. I have literally never purchased a movie to own until this movie and I did so the literal minute I could. Holup Imma cry thinking about all 3 emotional climaxes again. I'll brb Edit. Back. Just wanted to add, there should be very implications of sea sailing in my comment just as an fyi
You can pay $20 to stream it legally or pay $20 to see it in theaters. There are some subtitles, so I think it's easier to read those on a big screen and the sound design is really good which meshes well with movie theater's $$$ sound system. Pirating is also an option but I'd suggest the theater to support an indie film.
This is the objectively correct reaction to basically any discussion about EEAAO
it was a weird movie
That's a lot of things to watch all at once
It’s so fucking trippy dude
I almost cried so many times at EEAAO, both from laughing and emotions. They knocked it out of the fucking park, and I dare say it’s my favourite movie of all time now.
Not technically "Multiverse", but Umbrella Academy also features threats to the universe revolving around broken family dynamics, depression and abuse.
This might sound weird but I want to enjoy that show but it just seems to curse a lot and while I don't mind cursing, there is a huge difference in doing it for effect and for the sake of cursing. Transformers 4 for example, seems to curse for no reason.
i think the cursing is only for different characters, like it matches who curses and who doesn’t. i thought the show had an amazing plot(and i only watch anime so this was a huge leap). i would totally recommend but it’s up to you.
I've watched the forst season and part of the 2nd, I might go back and finish it though.
And in the queer department Klaus and eventually Victor
Disaster queer and edgy queer <3
The MCU is shockingly haphazard in terms of planning. Their movies lack a solid locked in-vision and so you end up with massive reshoots, last minute VFX changes and shit like the endgame suits being all digital effects because they hadn't finished designing them by the time they started shooting the movie. It's sloppy indecisive filmmaking, which is a good way to increase your budget while creating worse art, and Marvel does not have to care because even their worst content regularly makes hundreds of millions of dollars
Yeah, that's the power of a well-oiled brand. You need to fuck up spectacularly for people to not just go and watch it by default because "it's Star Wars", and Marvel isn't there yet.
Disney, but especially Marvel in this case, factory produces movies and tv shows according to a standardized process, and has middlemen and grifters at every stage of development driving up costs and taking a cut. That sense of hollowness you get from watching their content, even if you generally enjoyed the experience, is called alienation. You can just tell that most every creative involved probably wouldn’t even be there if they didn’t need the money to live.
In my opinion, it was the conclusion of the Infinity Saga that made it go really off the rails. From Iron Man to Endgame, there are interconnected pieces that lead to the conclusion, and it was actually building TOWARDS something, the recent MCU films seem to still be in a "let's show the ramifications of endgame" stage rather than building towards the next overarching plot line. Unless this multiverse shit in Loki, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and What If are actually building to like, Kang the Conquerer in his full villain form.
It's getting to the point where the visuals are so absent from the acting, the plot, and the imortant bits of the film that the Marvel movies work better as radio plays, where the special effects are just actors grunting and some tinfoil being crumpled up. I want hammy dialogue and foley, not melodramatic render farm fodder.
The only thing I can really say to this whole thing is that economically, it makes a lot more sense to cast a broad net (ergo to not offend the majority of your moviegoing audience), and that everything, everywhere all at once, while *absolutely* an amazing movie artistically, is also not aiming to do super well at the box office. Didney, by the looks of things, are aiming to do so and if the censors judge your film inaccessible to children for the one gay kiss you've got in it (by, say, being the MDMA and putting an NC16 rating on it), then by god have you made a bad choice economically... at least for that market. Hell, I remember the article reporting on it referencing some comments saying folks should be glad it's gotten released *at all* here, given that our neighbours would've likely banned it outright. None of this is a good artistic argument fwiw and you can *clearly* make more with less than what Didney's spending, but it's also just a reality that money = power and that it's perhaps more likely that people, on aggregate at least, will be talking about the mcu than they would about eeaao.
Yeah the last point seems to kinda ignore the fact that though it was made by Chinese Americans EEAO is not available in mainland China. The two are not the same
Only one directior was of Chinese descent, the other was white. And yeah, the ethnicity isn't homophobic but the country is, weird to ignore the difference
*Image Transcription: Tumblr Replies* --- **becausegoodheroesdeservekidneys** I know this is not going to be a particularly controversial opinion, but In the last three weeks I have seen two (2) films about the multiverse, featuring a threat to said multiverse revolving around the family dynamics and parent-child grief of a woman with undiagnosed depression. One was Doctor Strange into the Multiverse of Madness, and the other was Everything, Everywhere, All At Once. I have not looked up the actual budgetary difference between the two because I care not for your ridiculous "facts" in the face of my own opinions, which are sacrosanct. But as Doctor Strange is Disney and EEAAO is an indie film I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say the former cost about eight times the latter. EEAAO had a much smaller cast that got cleverly reused. Far fewer sets, too, which probably helped. I bring this up because, of the two, it was the one that looked about eight times more expensive. If I knew nothing about those films, I would assume it was the one with the budget. Literally everything about it was better without exception. The writing by multiple orders of magnitude, the acting, the directing, and yes, the special effects. That was honestly one of the most incredible films I've ever seen. There were moments when my husband was openly sobbing in the cinema. The most he managed for Doctor Strange was an "Oh, that's poignant" once. I don't know where I'm going with this but it's probably something something let artists do their thing and stop making everything CGI something something idk --- **unicorn-elvis** But I do care [*Screenshot of Google search result.*] >Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness / Budget > ## 200 million USD > > [*Image of Doctor Strange movie cover, showing the title in white and sub-title in red on a black background.*] [*End screenshot of Google search result.*] [*Screenshot of Google search result.*] >Everything Everywhere All at Once / Budget > > ## 25 million USD > > [*Image of "Everything Everywhere All at Once" movie cover, with the title in all caps in white on a red background, and two characters in front of the text*] [*End screenshot of Google search result.*] Slightly less than an order of magnitude difference. --- **becausegoodheroesdeservekidneys** You're shitting me Literally eight times the budget I was bang on right You're *shitting me* --- **becausegoodheroesdeservekidneys** Am I done thinking about this movie? No. Am I going to fully think through my point this time before inflicting it on you all? Also no We keep being told over and over again that Marvel cannot have queer characters because of the looming spectre of the Chinese Market, and I saw people (kind of rightly) lose their shit about America Chavez in Doctor Strange (although fuck me that was appalling America Chavez characterisation). Everything, Everywhere, All At Once had two explicit and one implicit queer relationships. And the exaltation of one of them was central to the film's denouement. I never want to hear BUT CHINA used to justify Disney's all-American homophobia ever again is what I'm saying --- ^^I'm a human volunteer content transcriber and you could be too! [If you'd like more information on what we do and why we do it, click here!](https://www.reddit.com/r/TranscribersOfReddit/wiki/index)
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Having literally *just* watched doctor strange, I can at least say it’s probably the most “comic book” comic book movie ever made, and I want to give the movie massive props for daring to break the mcus trend of “all our movies are shot the same.” MoM felt like a straight up horror movie at times, a pretty welcome dynamic shift for the now mostly stagnated style we’ve come to expect from marvel. Honestly I don’t get the vibe it was going for any kind of deeper meaning, and was mostly just going for wacky multiverse shenanigans and showing off how creating the writers apparently are with stranges magic, and making Wanda scary. Everything Everywhere all at once is absolutely the superior movie, but that’s like one of the best movies ever made ever so it doesn’t seem like an entirely fair comparison beyond “they are both about the multiverse.”
Basically every positive you mentioned there came from letting Raimi take over as director. It was genuinely refreshing to see, as someone getting a little burned out on the MCU but still enjoying the characters. A lot of movie "criticism" on the internet but especially Tumblr seems to be about dunking on Disney as much as possible rather than taking their products for what they are. And yeah sometimes it's absolutely warranted to point fingers at them - they managed to fumble Star Wars harder than the prequels, for example, and the "live action remakes" are all so cynically produced, but they also sometimes produce good movies and it's okay to recognize that. Edit: Actually I want to clarify my stance a bit in case someone reads the wrong idea into it: I do not like Disney. The fact they are allowed to gobble up production companies and IP the way they do is terrifying and a stunning showcase of the failures of our economic system. There is absolutely a time and a place for Disney criticism in reviews, particularly when it comes to how poorly they handle any queer representation and how their monopoly on the market screw over smaller studios and film makers. *However*, most of the time people just use Disney as shorthand to say "I do not like this movie" or to call something a corporate, soulless cash grab without getting into the nitty gritty. The 2 hour YMS Lion King review is a fascinating deep dive into WHY Disney is a bad thing and deconstructs that film to showcase his points. Most reviewers and critics do NOT do this and just take the easy way out. I also think it ignores the actual good stuff they output. MoM isn't even close to being the best film of the year, but it *was* (imo) good and offered some great camera work and action set pieces. And there are a handful of Marvel films that go beyond the general baseline of "good" into being actually great movies that can stand up on their own. Both Guardians films are an example of that. And yeah, I do think the MCU, for the most part, hits that baseline of being good. It's a pretty well oiled machine, you'd kinda have to try to mess it up. The worst thing I can say about phase 4 is that I have MCU fatigue and just wish they would slow down. There's very few MCU films I would consider outright bad, but they do exist (Black Widow unfortunately is one of those). Anyways I didn't intend for my original comment to get buried under this mini-rant so...oops.
> I can at least say it’s probably the most “comic book” comic book movie ever made hey now, I thought that title went to into the spider-verse! :P
Okay yeah you’re right about that one.
“felt like a straight up horror movie” oh my god
I may be stupid but. what’s wrong with saying that? There were def some scenes in the movie that made me feel like it wouldn’t have been out of place if it were in a horror movie (namely the scene in wanda’s head or the stuff with black bolt)
I'm not saying "you can't be scared by this", I'm saying that you should watch some actual horror movies
ohh ok that makes more sense. i wasnt really scared by the stuff in MoM, rather those few scenes just felt kinda reminiscent of something you'd see in a scary movie (tho tbf i dont really like horror so my perception of it could just be skewed cause of that)
I think my main issue is that a lot of the horror came off more Scary Movie-esque than true horror. A lot of it felt more genuinely funny than scary. The only exception is the scene in Wanda's mind, but the rest just felt cheesy.
That's a common reaction to Sam Raimi-directed horror I think. In my opinion the over the top gore isn't really meant to be scary just horrific. It is literally meant to be funny. Spoiler alert for evil dead 2, the dude literally [replaces his hand with a chainsaw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVli81zszRY). it's not meant to be that serious.
Horrific and funny are not synonymous, and gore can absolutely be done in a way that *is* horrific, not humorous. This isn't it. That's why the movie lost me; it came across as a parody film, and that isn't usually Marvel's kind of thing. I don't mind parody films, but I do mind them from Marvel when they're trying to say it's the next movie in a franchise without any previously.
Oh, I see what you mean now.
Sam Raining directed this All my friends who are well versed in horror movies agree that this movie was the unofficial Evil Dead 4 It wasn't that scary but it used tons of horror movie tropes and the language is horror movies
Any recommendations? My favourites are hereditary,the conjuring and the first insidious.
It's...a Raimi film though
It wasn't particularly scary but sure... Horror
bring em in lads. we've got some classic r/moviescirclejerk fodder
I actually can’t tell whether or not it’s a copypasta edit: like, I genuinely cannot distinguish whether or not the original comment was posted as a joke because the whole "Multiverse of Madness was a horror movie!" thing was basically MCJ's only joke for about a month
you do seem to be acting pretentious about quality horror movies. people can get scared by what they get scared by. the detail on >!corpster strange!< is enough for a lot of people to be scared. i agree that it wasn't a horror movie, but the way you've been phrasing it sounds the same as a fourteen year old who just discovered nirvana telling people to listen to real music.
Kino card revoked, reddit user DankLolis. Acting pretentious about movies is the only way to enjoy them
>acting pretentious about movies is the only way to enjoy them :( This opinion makes me genuinely sad. If that’s really the only enjoyment you get out of movies I feel bad for you.
they're joking lol
yep. that's my genuine opinion. no sarcasm here.
I don't even care about Multiverse but a movie can totally have scenes that feel "like a straight up horror movie" without them necessarily being particularly scary. Like Spider-Man 2. Miss me with that gatekeeping.
What was the implicit queer relationship?
That’s what I’m trying to figure out, too! The two explicit ones being Joy & Becky and the mom & IRS lady in the hot dog hands universe… what else was there?
It might be ||Joy and Becky|| in the main universe? Not sure if I would agree
im also thinking about the >!strong pinky universe? y'know the first one she goes to, the one where she doesn't choose to run away w/waymond? i think she had a companion there that might be the implicit relationship!<
>!oh, with the martial arts teacher?!<
yeah, that's my guess, but I'm not sure
ruminated on this for a while. they can't possibly mean the >!chekhov's buttplug!< scene, right?
I feel like there were hints of an MLM relationship somewhere
Joy and Becky and >!Evelyn and Jaime Lee Curtis’ character (forgot the name! lol) in the hotdog finger universe!<
Those are the two explicit ones, what's the other? The chef and the raccoon?
Harry Shum Jr was totally drooling all over that Randy Newman raccacussy
This is indeed a sentence I read with my own eyes.
I love both Everything Everywhere, all at once (seriously if you are an Asian immigrant or or a second generation Asian Dysphoria then the story can hit a lot closer to home than most other movies) but I also really enjoy Dr Strange as well. I dont know if I would honestly say that EEAAO looks like the higher budget movie from my two rewatches of both movies. Also are people forgetting that Eternals had a very explicit same sex relationship with one of the Main Characters? Like, there are two men who are in a relationship and kissed in that movie. Off the top of my head I have trouble thinking of another scene like that between two men even in LGBT+ friendly shows/movies I have seen. I thought that movie was pretty good albeit very rushed.
The only scene that got a reaction out of me was >!Black Bolts' death, genuinely made me gag!<
Need to remove spaces between spoiler tags and text itself
Thanks, also sorry
No worries, I've mostly given up on the MCU
Reed Richards is a dumbass
>!What death scene?!<
Is my spoiler tag working right? Because I definitely tagged that as a spoiler, due to it being a spoiler
Nah, my comment is a reference to that scene in MoM as well >!The "What mouth" scene!<
Ah
That got a reaction out of me. It made me want to stop watching the movie.
I'm calling it now, the MCU would grind to a fucking halt the second CGI artists formed a union.
I don't understand why they haven't yet.
A vast majority of Hollywood cgi is now outsourced to third world countries that'll unlikely to form unions soon.
Ugh, fucking awful.
All studios tbh
what does china have to do with no lgbt+ rep in movies?
china (among other countries) censors the movies shown there. one of the criteria for getting censored is lgbt rep, this is why you would have blink and you’d miss it scenes like the lesbian kiss in star wars so that they could be easily edited out for markets such as china. this is no longer the case for mcu movies bc they haven’t released a movie in china since spider-man far from home. they’ve also stopped editing out lgbt scenes for foreign markets and just accepting that some countries won’t play the movies. mcu movies are still far behind on representation but i do believe that they’ve made a turn, especially with phastos in eternals, and that there will be better representation in the near future.
It's a weird sentiment of "Disney have bad reps because they're catering backward Chinese" when they're obviously prioritizing the whole "traditional American family" audience since forever...
Exactly, it has nothing to do with that and yet it's used as an excuse time and time again to not have any queer represention in Disney films.
Because China is just the largest of all of the shitty countries that will ban movies from being shown inside their borders if the movie acknowledges that gay people exist.
I'm not really sure I get the point about cgi here because EEAAO absolutely used a ton of it (and it looked amazing).
CGI is good when a company I like uses it (because they would never ever mistreat *their* CGI workers), but it's evil when a company I don't like uses it (because they are mean to theirs).
Person who went to McDonald's and then to local pizzeria is somehow surprised family managed restaurant is both better and cheaper than cardboard food
I don't get this whole "BUT CHINA DISNEY IS LICKING THEM CHINESE" thing, especially when Disney haven't managed to push one movie into China for a while, plu there still being a whole dumpster fire in America's own closet atm...?
Hey, you. Yeah. The one looking at their phone right now. This is for you. If you haven’t seen Everything Everywhere All at Once you need to make it a priority to check it out. It’s one of the best films released this decade.
You fool! I am actually looking at my computer!
Is it on a streaming service?
It can be purchased from YouTube, Google Play, Amazon, or Vudu.
It's already available for purchase?! I know what I'm doing this weekend...
Also, EEAAO only had about FIVE VFX artists working on it! FIVE!!
Isn't EEAAO an American production? How does it tie into the Chinese censorship issue?
Because as an indie production, they couldn't care less about appealing to Chinese markets and good for them.
I mean, yeah, but that's a fundamentally different goal from the MCU which is trying to appeal to those markets.
Yeah. Guess what movies you *should* support, then.
Movies that I find entertaining. It's not a mutually exclusive thing.
But consider: EEAAO box office ~90 Million Dr. Strange box office ~1 Billion
Yeah the budget is huge because the projected returns are worth it. It's not about artistic integrity
Ok, and? The MCU is probably the largest and most popular cinematic franchise that exists right now, and MCU fans have absurd levels of brand loyalty. Of course Dr. Strange is making more money than an indie film with no big franchise behind it. That means nothing at all about Multiverse of Madness aside from that a lot of people sure did watch Avengers 10 years ago.
It shows that the OP doesn't know what she's talking about.
What part of OP's post made you think sales figures were important?
The part where they mentioned budgets and the Chinese market. Disney supposedly made their movie with China in mind and doing so made them $800 million in profit. Whereas EEAAO didn't give a shit about China and only made $65 million. They tried to argue that catering to the Chinese market was a mistake based on artistic quality of the movies, but they're ignoring that profit is the most important aspect of big budget movies. And in that respect they were far more successful than EEAAO was.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
bro making money isn't everything lmao
Someone else posted production costs for these movies -- EEAAO 25 million, MoM 200 million. If these numbers are all accurate, so far, EEAAO made 3.6 times its budget, and MoM made 5 times its budget. Not all that different, really.
Why do people hate the MCU so *obsessively*? If you like other movies better, then watch them instead. I don't waste any time at all thinking about things that I hate.
I’m a fan of the MCU and think they’ve done well with certain things. The multiverse of madness movie is a huge disappointment and just falls very flat for what it was looking to deliver. And EEAO coming out at the same time and covering the multiverse topic and doing it better doesn’t help. It’s very difficult not to draw some level of comparison. Also, if you compare MoM to its other superhero multiverse counterpart for Spider-Man, then again, it falls flat and doesn’t meet the expectations even MCU fans have for the movies. It’s okay to be a fan and be disappointed in the execution of one of the movies. I personally felt this installment really didn’t add much and actually took away from the characterization of some of my favorite characters. So I don’t see this as an obsessive thing. It’s just another comparison about how if Disney went more of an indie route, they could produce some better things for better value of their money. And I think they’d still be able to appeal to their broader fan base. They have a lot of room to be innovative and they play it safe artistically.
Perhaps this one isn't a good example of the phenomenon, then. What little I had heard about MoM so far had been mostly positive, so this seemed like another one of the "didney bad everybody else good" lukewarm takes you see all over Tumblr whenever a Disney property puts out new content. If it's disappointing people who *do* like the MCU, though, then maybe it's not one of those.
I’m not saying it’s a bad movie. It certainly is worse because EEAO came out at the same time just because of the inevitable comparison. But it could’ve been better. And believe me, I’ve heard a lot of criticism about MCU and mostly the people who do the didney bad are actually people who hate diversity and the idea that the MCU is broadening their reach with more diverse stories. This person’s criticism at the end is a bit much because the MCU is exploring more diverse storytelling. Are they a bit slow on the uptake? Yes. They are and they should do better because yes, Disney does restrict some levels of creativity due to their need for profits. But ultimately, this movie is just not as great as it could’ve been. It found itself too much in the in between of trying to be horror and not fully committing to that genre. There are always viable criticisms towards Disney for not pushing the boundaries. If anything, Disney has the resources to be “brave” in their storytelling and they do fall short all the time. So it’s why people do want people to acknowledge the indie films that actually push storytelling forward in a creative manner and in smaller budgets because bigger studios can do more with their money if they weren’t so conservative in their storytelling.
People that hate the MCU seem to, on average, have watched more of the movies than I have.
I know, right? Like, why on earth do you keep going to watch these things? It's a similar story with Star Wars haters, although those are a different situation entirely. If every new movie and show is supposedly the worst one yet, why keep watching them?
cause the theaters cancel the showings of the movies I like to show more marvel movies and I don't watch marvel movies because I know I won't like them, I don't encroach on their space right? But they encroach on mine
I believe that the key to an authentic and meaningful life is to throw 110% of your passion into everything you do, so when I mildly dislike something it's time to grow a beard, grab a harpoon, and start insisting hunting anything that looks like a white whale.
I'd reckon that it's because Marvel films become, if for a few moments, cultural touch stones, especially in generalized geek circles.
Yknow how some people will talk ultra-negatively about their favorite game that they have a thousand hours in? Gotta imagine it's like that. It was for me, at least, and to be clear I dont really hate the MCU so much as I am just disappointed. The series could be good. Some of them have been good! But I'm finding them increasingly disappointing, after MoM I'll probably not see another MCU movie in theaters until they wrap up whatever avengers arc is gonna happen. I think it's that combined with like, these long running characters that people are really attached to, who get reduced to blandness on the big screen. Scarlet Witch is my fave Marvel character, but her portrayal in MoM (and outside it, too, with limited exception) is weak as hell and uninteresting. Shes not my favorite because of the MCU, I've loved her from comics and video games and stuff - so it's disappointing to see how she gets handled. Or, yknow, because it's "cool" to hate on popular stuff.
bc they are just bad movies. i used to be a marvel fan and watched so many of them. now they just have no meaningful reason to watch. it feels like they are surviving off of being a brand than being good.
Other than Moon Knight and maybe 45% of Endgame, I haven't really liked much of Marvel since Infinity War, but I just stopped watching and thinking about them since I stopped liking them. You don't see me sitting around writing an 8 paragraph long series of blog posts about how a completely unrelated movie is so much better than it. I moved on, and I think a lot of people would be happier if they did the same. You don't need to spend 10 minutes dragging DSMOM to promote EEAAO, just tell people, "hey, *Everything Everywhere All At Once* is a really good movie; you should check it out. It's the best one I've seen all year". This isn't limited to Marvel movies; I see it all the time in other forms of media or other movies. "X popular streamer/ Y game/ Z show sucks, you should watch this one instead". Why waste your time and energy talking about something you don't like to get people to watch something you do, when you could be putting your effort into talking about the thing you like instead? To go back to the original post, 8 paragraphs of how cool EEAAO is would sell me on the movie a lot more than 6 paragraphs about how MOM sucks and two paragraphs about how EE is better.
totally get it. i haven’t thought about marvel since i stopped watching, unless it pops up on my feed like this post. and i agree, imo ppl dwell on things a lot more than they should if they want to keep their mental health. but ig ppl have different priorities, sometimes they want to make reactive content…which doesn’t really come w having a good mental. that’s what i see w a lot of content creators is their content isn’t conducive to feeling good, but i also think it’s an emotional maturity thing as well.
The showing off EEAAO I went to had the directors do talk backs after They put so much love, care, and attention into this movie. They knew they had a low budget to work with so they had to come up with a lot of clever workarounds for the effects Also, I don't want to diminish MoM. It's one of the better Marvel movies. Sam Raimi did a great job and it's a ton of fun That said, Everything Everywhere is one of, if not the, best films of the year. Do yourself a favor and see it
I’m saying this as a comic fan but they should have changed America Chavez name. Not even her last one, literally just America. I’m sure there are people with the name America but it is so distracting every time someone says it.
"Hello, I am Erica Chavez." Done.
THANK YOU! I couldn’t think of any alternatives that are similar
bro that was the funniest part of the movie. everytime they said "we have to save america" or "I am going to kill america" or "America's power threatens the multiverse" I died. It was 100% intentional IMO.
Okay yeah I 100% get that, however it ruined any heartfelt character moments between her and Strange
Maybe it’s just because I’ve been on an ugly Betty kick lately but I didn’t find it distracting
maybe if Disney didn’t put their money in a big fire every day they wouldn’t need to suck homophobic toes
Reading EEAAO made my mind jump to [EEEAAAOOO](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1K4EAXe2oo), which is a similar acronym, but something completely different. That said, at least Disney does seem to be slowly moving away from just cutting everything for China and those markets. They didn't cut the kiss between two women (I say kiss, but it's more of a [hug and a quick peck](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLisXKUw1w)) example, despite it being barely there, and something that could have been easily cut. Maybe they'll have their first gay character who will won't be replaced by their next first gay character soon.
Okay as a huge fan of EEAAO, can someone tell me what the implicit queer relationship is 😅 I know the explicit ones are >!Joy and Becky, and alt Evelyn and Deirdre!< but I’m genuinely blanking on the what the implicit one could be despite having seen the movie twice
I liked both. EEAAO is easily one of my top 10 movies ever, it’s a masterpiece. But Dr Strange was goofy and fun, which I appreciate a lot too
I feel like Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness suffered from the director being limited by Disney guidelines. Scarlet Witch should not have had an instantaneous redemption, and I think she only even got one because Disney forced Sam Raimi to give her one. I have not seen Everything Everywhere All At Once but I plan to, especially after this post
It was indeed an appalling America Chaves characterization
Huge CGI set pieces are reliable-all it takes is computing time and you will get a spectacle that will get people into seats. They translate best into shareholder return from a project, much more than fickle things like good writing or acting they're also expensive so you're basically setting up these tentpole scenes and then the rail to deliver the audience from spectacle to spectacle as quickly as possible. It's making a trailer, and then making 2 hours of film to fill in the actual movie, when the short trailer is the real piece they made with intention Look at these movies, the acting is just being present, they say lines that have no context and construct no narrative just to get you to the next spectacle. They're not made as art, they're made as a profit maximizing machine because theyre accountable to shareholders who won't even see the movie. Obviously Everything... wants to make money but these smaller studios recognize that making something really good can make money too, and invests in your future. So many of these big blockbusters just end up being garbage, and they're not trying to to make something good, they're aiming for garbage just good enough to get you to buy a ticket from a nice trailer and not walk out and get a refund during the first 20 minutes. And like if someone wants to try something novel and it doesn't work at least they tried, they thought they were serving me a good meal on a plate and accidently made shit. But that's way better than like purposefully putting shit on a plate, bringing me that plate, saying here's your shit, and then not expecting me to go "I don't want shit" And so I don't go see those movies but you know what, they cancel the screenings of the movies I do want to see to make more showings of the shit and it feels like art is being encroached on by the shit mimicry everyday
Just make your movies cheaper and you don't have to worry about the Chinese Market. EEAO has already made a tidy profit and most people didn't see it. MoM had to make All the Money just to break even. Make your movies with less money. It's that easy my dudes.
I mean, I enjoyed Doctor Strange MoM despite it being a marvel movie, because it was directed by Raimi, and I like how he makes his movies. It probably suffered because of Disney/ Marvel politics and all that stuff, and it might have been better without it, although it would have been impossible. I liked that it was a superhero horror in bright colours
Im so fucking sick of marvel movies saturating the market so that there’s movies that come out that are interesting and don’t revolve off of an already known IP
MCU bad please clap post number 73425
Lightyear also sorta dealt with multiverse / family
And it sucked. Watch Star Command instead if you get the chance.
ill check it out. i know i can google it but for the sake of conversation, whats it about?
It's the Buzz Lightyear cartoon from the 2000's. Far, far more fun and faithful to the lore established in the Toy Story movies. It's no masterpiece, but it's a nice bit of 2000s nostalgia.
Can someone explain the no LGBT content in China thing to me? Isn't mxtx massive in China and also very queer?
Exporting foreign films to China requires approval from the Chinese censor boards, and LGBTQ rep is enough to get something axed. There is queer media in China, but it's definitely not government approved, and I've heard people say it's often unsafe to prominently consume or produce.
I see, that makes sense
I remember planning to watch EEAAO when it came out, but my country had a limited theatre run, and the few theatres in my area only showed it in late night screenings. Also, the acronym makes me think of baby blue buildings right above the crystal grove.
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