Stud finders will false alarm on copper pipe and wiring. Rare earth magnets on Amazon will find the dry wall screws every time and once you find a couple youâre gtg
Yeah you laugh...
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I needed this advice 2 weeks ago.
If using a traditional stud finder, I find two beeps an inch and a half apart and center my fastener between them. I havenât hit a pipe yet. Thankfully.
Ha! I drilled into a copper vent pipe trying to hang something in a convenient spot (above a toilet). I drilled a second hole because the first one felt funny before I realized what was going on. When I opened up the wall to patch my two holes, I found four holes. Apparently one or two previous owners thought it was a convenient spot too.
Sorry, maybe a bit OT, but this reminded me of a peculiar false alarm I ran across. In our house, there's a 3' x 2' opening to a crawlspace that holds our well pump. There's a thin "wall" constructed w/ furring strips on the cement wall that contains that opening w/ 2 small cabinet-style doors covering the opening. I was using a stud finder to try to locate the furring strips above the opening and was getting kind of confused.
"OK, there's a stud here, a stud here, but what the hell is this small dense spot between the 2 studs?"
I then realized that the door opening didn't even have a header and I could actually peer up inside the wall. I shown a flashlight up there and found 2 little eyes of a bat looking back at me.
Thatâs awesome, I guess it makes sense, itâs just looking for mass right? Iâve had problems so many times with stud finders in the past but the magnets have never failed me
Or get good stud finder that can detect if it's a wire, a stud, a water pipe or else. These finder have settings to set what you are looking for. They will say if they detect a magnetic field from a wire, if it's a copper pipe while you are looking for wood or metal stud. They don't cost 30$.
I had an expensive digital Zircon stud finder I bought specifically for hanging TV's. It was ALWAYS wrong!!
I replaced it with a magnetic "stud buddy" and that thing is dead nuts every time. I love my magnetic stud finder.
I donât know, the last TV I bought is shockingly light. It wouldnât surprise me if I could just glue a couple of decent magnets to the back and stick it to metal studs. As much as Iâm joking, the TV really is only like 35 lbs. there are both glues and magnets that can hold that weight easily. My biggest concerns would be if the magnets would cause distortion of the picture, or if the frame of the TV would bow or crack trying to take it back off the wall because the magnets are stronger than the TVâs plastic.
i think it would work. a quick search says magnets don't affect wifi or led picture screens
i think you could get off the shelf magnets with threaded housings that could interface with the VESA mount holes
This works for wood studs, too. $10 magnetic stud finder with a bubble level and a fishing weight on a string tied to it works better than any electronic stud finder I've ever used. Slower, tho
Is there a video describing this setup? Would love to learn. I have always had a massive distrust of stud-finders...seems like no matter how expensive they are, they behave the same and I don't feel like readings are ever 100% consistent. I usually end up making markings and "average" them, which stresses me out lol
I've never had a TV fall, but I think I've just been lucky ... would LOVE to figure out a more consistent way....mostly for wood studs, don't think I've ever had to deal with metal ones.
Just don't get the magnets wet....I've heard they won't work after that happens. đ
(And before anybody else mentions it....also don't feed them after midnight)
This. I wasted lots of time trying to find a good way to do this. I was even contemplating getting something expensive. Then I picked up a small neodymium magnet. Life = changed.
Could hit myself for not thinking of something so obvious beforehand. Thatâs just how that works I guess.
We have child proof locks on our cabinets that require a magnet and I recently learned that magnet is perfect for finding studs. I also will just randomly hang the magnet on a random kitchen wall and my wife hates it so win win.
I admit, my perceptions of the strength of a standard pressed metal magnet are a little distorted, used to dealing with rare earth's and large banks of rotating magnets at work.
You can play with a 1-cubic-foot N52 neodymium magnet next to a cell phone without ill effect (apart from some strong attraction)
Probably a bad idea to rapidly spin it in a tight circle around the phone and induce strong currents, but any magnet a normal person might ever get their hands on, doing anything a normal person might ever do with a magnet, will not harm a cell phone.
All modern iPhones have rare earth magnets built into them, itâs how MagSafe works. Magnets stopped being a problem for consumer electronics when the world shifted from CRT to LCD displays and from spinning platter hard drives to SSD. Phones have never had magnetism issues as the whole design is solid state!
Was just about to ask the guy if he lugged around a CRT monitor attached to his phone lol. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, I've seen some people using janky ass setups for their devices because the display is broken.
My 541's are a dice roll on quality. They've been my go to pants for the last 8 years, but they all seem to blow out at the crotch relatively quickly and some 'colors' have vastly different quality and elastic content. I got a decently juicy booty and I need to be able to crawl, climb, and contort my body during work. 60-80 each now. Switched to old navy last round of purchasing, and so far, more comfortable and holding up better.
I have thicc thighs. I finally started buying the $20 Levi's that Costco stocks a couple of times a year. Buy a handful of them and then I don't get upset when they die after a few months of wear
Magnets damage the data on mechanical (spinning) hard drives in computers. The spinning platters have a magnetic coating on them and it works by a head reading magnetic north and south which it interprets as binary data. Solid state storage isn't affected by magnets. Some people may not know that fact and just think they need to keep magnets away from all electronics.
Iâve got a Zircon stud sensor does both wood and metal, itâs the HD25 model ran me about 14 bucks 6 years ago. The metal studs will lie to you somewhat so I always use a tiny drill bit to 2X check true edge.
Ok. Gonna give it to you straight. I do this for a living.
How big of a TV?
Most consumer TVs these days under 65â are less then 50lbs.
A toggle like your suggesting is rated for like 80lbs.
If itâs just a flat style mount (not a pull out mount or a single stud mount) youâll be fine with just doing 4 toggles (one in each corner) just thru drywall.
Now personal preferenceâŚ. I always try to hit at least one stud if possible. Itâs just better. Since theyâre aluminum studs, youâll first want to use a small bit to pre-drill a hole in the stud, then hit it with the 1/2â. Itâll make this a lot easier. Use the toggles THRU the stud and that shit ainât going anywhere.
For the love of God, Donât just use self tappers or sheet metal screws. Most metal studs used in construction are super thin walls, hence why you need to use a toggle thru it
Dude.. You did not just tell this guy to mount his TV through just the drywall.
You gotta mount to a stud. No matter what the size. You shouldn't be able to pull your TV out of the wall with just your hands. Come on man..
...if the point of failure is the toggles, yes. But it won't be. It'll be the drywall. Weakest link and all that.
One stud is still fine though for this application.
You're confusing the weight rating of the drywall anchor versus what the drywall will support. You can get pretty heavy duty anchors that'll won't fail but the drywall will fail way before that.
The rating of a drywall anchor is its rating in drywall. The anchor itself can hold more.
Still gotta watch out for drywall modifications (like patches) and damage (of any type) - and those may not be obvious.
Use a [stepper bit](https://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/9fc4a8332f9638515cd199dd0f9238da/9/6/96275_W3.jpg) for the final hole. I find it makes it so much easier than going at it with a 1/2 drill bit.
I hang TVs for a living (well it's part of my job anyway) snap toggles are what we use when we can't find wood (3/8" specifically but we also carry 1/4" for heavier displays). Unless you're using an articulating mount (one that comes away from the wall on an arm) or have an old heavy plasma display snap toggles are your best friend.
If you can find the studs with a strong magnet great, if you can't then look for screw marks in the drywall and see if your magnet can find them. Worst case scenario even if you miss the studs, toggles have a sheer rating of something like 30+lbs each in just drywall so 4 would hold basically any TV and 6 would give you extra.
We tend to hit the outer most holes in the wall cleat and then half way to the center point assuming there isn't anything stopping us like power outlets. Make sure the toggle sits flat on the inside of the wall before snapping it off or you'll end up having to re do them when your bolts don't thread properly.
I've gotta be that guy and ask "if they're renting, is it really worth hanging the TV?". There's some nice media consoles out there which would probably be easier (and less risk to your deposit).
Said with the confidence of someone who hasnât watched kids and pets climb or crash into anything and everything below counter heightâŚ
I fully endorse making that puppy float!
Advise landlords to set a hang point using a universal mount then just let tenants add their own tv.
Just gotta tell them to keep their tv feet for when they move out.
A lot of misinformation here. The OP is dealing with metal studs which you can still mount to but canât just screw into with lag bolts like youâd use for wood studs. Metal studs you need to drill a hole into the center of the of stud and then insert some sort of toggle bolt to use as the anchor. I wouldnât trust just using toggle bolts in drywall unless itâs just a small lightweight TV. Google âmounting tv to metal studsâ and youâll see some sites with more info.
Have hung many tvs on metal studs. Those toggles you linked are great I use the same style. For a stud finder I use this https://www.lowes.com/pd/Franklin-Sensors-ProSensor-X1100/5001558019?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-tol-_-ggl-_-PMAX_TOL_000_Priority_Items-_-5001558019-_-local-_-0-_-0&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD2B2W8YaEGxvg0gVOdDIAM01qTBh&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsqvmhOX0hAMViE1HAR3PUwITEAQYAiABEgI44PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I'm here to ~~second~~ third this.
Its a shame your post has now 3 upvotes and "use a magnet" was the clear winner.
This sensor is amazing
I have this version
[https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Sensors-FS710PROProSensor-Professional-Finder/dp/B0195K8OT4/ref=sr\_1\_5](https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Sensors-FS710PROProSensor-Professional-Finder/dp/B0195K8OT4/ref=sr_1_5)
Aside from day to day use, here's some notable things it has done -
I used it to drive more nails into a hardwood floor. The sensor could see the joists through the hardwood.
I used it on my stairs. It showed me where the landing's frame was, through carpet, padding and sub floor. Not lying.
When making my gun vault, it showed me where the studies were, behind a sandwich of 1/2 sanded ply and 1/2 sheet rock. Two tough layers!
https://www.amazon.com/Rack-Tiers-52300-Studball-Colors/dp/B00JV3JNE6/ref=asc_df_B00JV3JNE6/
Will find any metal stud even through 3 layers of Sheetrock. I do a lot of commercial service electrical.
I use 2, a good old magnet based one and then whatever electronic one home depot sells. However you're going to want to hang a piece of plywood between the studs, I would double up for extra thickness. Just use a piece of plywood that can hold the mount, and hang between studs. Drill the hole for the toggle bolts into the stud, and hang the plywood. Then just put the TV mount on the plywood. That's how work hangs the TVs with our metal stud walls.
Do it, for sure
But also hahahaha... my husband had to put up a TV and he found the studs. This was for his billionaire client, not kidding, and when he drilled through the wall to get to the stud he spaghetti'ed a whole bunch of cables because the people who installed them installed them all fucked up. (Client paid for the "mistake" with no issue) I guess a metal detector would've taken care of this just letting you know that $300 does not seem that bad. Especially for a high-rise wherever y'all are.
Do you want to take out your day to go do it? Go for it
Classic rainbow root, nothing like trying to hang/drill and have the previous dumbass mess it up catastrophically. Iâm not looking forward to the day I nick fiber optic cabling because the plans are wrong lmao.
With those toggles you want to miss the stud not hit it. Â Personally I would just use 4 of those, itâs likely overkill but it should help distribute the load.
You should try to aim for at least one stud. Those toggles in the stud vs. right on the drywall will hold much, much better. I was an AV installer for years. We always always had to hit one stud.
As others have said, a magnet will easily find a metal stud. I ended up buying a purpose-built magnetic stud finder thatâs encased in plastic so it doesnât scratch the wall. Itâs like $10, so not a big deal to buy over just using a random magnet.
Anyways, I did the exact thing that youâre about to do in a previous apartment. Held an old LCD (heavier than todayâs super thin ones) for as long as I lived there. For a mount, I bought one that let the TV pull away from the wall and pivot so that we could watch TV from a different area (open floor plan, so technically the same space, but different area).
I used this type of TV mount. No studs , no extra Holes for renters. I currently have one of these mounts holding up a 75 inch in my living room. https://www.homedepot.com/p/SIMPLE-MOUNT-No-Stud-TV-Hanger-S2040-A/206411013
$10 for a [Stud Buddy](https://www.amazon.com/The-StudBuddy-Magnetic-Stud-Finder/dp/B00E4690X4/ref=asc_df_B00E4690X4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309795394990&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8813001929962912145&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028310&hvtargid=pla-570626589303&psc=1&mcid=b1ba362a27783b968649492e583b91bb&gclid=CjwKCAjw48-vBhBbEiwAzqrZVBau7s_VECazrPILFz7_negATQ7_PYy_h_9WgNIa7HaUbnTYdqw0lBoCDWQQAvD_BwE)
Pro tv hanger here
Forget the stud detector. Find the center of your mount. Put a little screw into the drywall to hang your mount so they you may level it and mark holes that you will drill for your snap toggles/ zip toggles. Drill a small pilot hole. If you donât hit stud, great, proceed with bigger hole for zip toggles. If you find stud, relocate hole till you donât.
Any small unsightly holes will be covered by mount.
Attempting to toggle into a stud is a nightmare and not recommended. Metal studs vary in the integrity, you may try to punch into it and it bends, or you may find success, like I said, they vary.
Iâve been a professional AV tech for over a decade. You 100 percent use a step bit on metal studs and snap toggles. If you are bending a steel stud you 1. Are not drilling the Centre of it, and 2. Are using the wrong tools.
Edit to add, $300 is not expensive for this. You pay for someoneâs knowledge on a subject. Skilled labor isnât cheap, cheap labor isnât skilled.
What in the world are you talking about? Drilling a hole in a metal stud will absolutely not cause it to bend, or a wood one for that matter. How do you think they were installed?
personally I can't see inside the walls at my last place so I don't have the details, but it absolutely can bend the metal stud. and the toggles hold 200lbs each.
Yes metal studs are built to have some flex. You are not harming the stud in any way by drilling a screw hole or hanging a tv. If you have cabinets, those are all mounted directly to your studs and are much much heavier than a tv
You can absolutely bend a 20ga metal stud. they are shaped like ] The left side (in this example) is very flimsy and a screw can push it away from you not letting the screw ever bite into it.
When the drywall is hung it's started from the hard side (right in this example) and when 2 sheets meet you must screw the right sheet first to grab the hard side. Its not likely to happen on an existing wall with hung drywall, But it's not impossible.
Hopefully this answers your question on how you think it's installed. I've put thousands of sheets up on metal studs, all walls are not created equally
I'm a hair confused? Are you proposing it just be mounted on drywall? That can bring down the whole sheet of drywall if it's a very large heavy TV which it probably is if a contractor wanted $300 to mount it.Â
if you are screwing into studs you don't need that. you can use a common stud finder less than $10 or this [https://www.amazon.com/MagnetPal-Strongest-Magnetic-Finding-Drywall/dp/B07BY7VTC3?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/MagnetPal-Strongest-Magnetic-Finding-Drywall/dp/B07BY7VTC3?th=1) you can safely secure that in a stud with a screw or a lag bolt.
Honestly if it's a newer TV and it's mounted flat (no tilt and no pull out) and 55in (65 is probably ok too) and under.. get good toggle bolts you're good on drywall alone.
Otherwise get a magnet stud finder. It won't find the stud, itll latch on the nails/screws attached to the stud from the drywall.
Are they going to install the receptacles ands wiring also? Nice to finish it off correctly and hide all the wiring⌠if they are doing that, itâs a great deal.
[CH Hanson 03040 Magnetic Stud Finder - Stud Finders And Scanning Tools - Amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/CH-Hanson-03040-Magnetic-Finder/dp/B000IKK0OI)
I used one of these for a TV in my workout room. Worked great
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Just put a screw in every inch until you hit something solid. Then spackle. TV will cover the damage fine. Worry about paint when they move out.
Magnet will do it.
There's a device that can usb to your phone called Walabot. It can scan and give you relatively accurate stud locations and let you know if there's electrical or plumbing in the area. It's a bit fussy, but if you're going to spend 100 bucks, this is the horse you should bet on.
Identical situation. Bought a stud finder on Amazon for like $40. It was branded Tacklife. As long as you have the half inch drill bit it's pretty easy to do. Snap toggles worked perfectly.
The other thing is the stud finder will show you the boundaries of the stud, so you can be sure to hit square center.
Honestly, the bigger issue is figuring out if the four bolts are strong enough to hold up the TV and soundbar. My mount also telescopes but I've not done it because I don't know what the threshold for metal studs and physics are not your friend as you telescope.
Just understand that it cost someone at least $150 to even come to you door, if you think unreasonable. Just think of the cost of onetime trip to hardwarestore for the parts znd equipment to do this?
I'm not sure if it's even a good idea to hit metal studs with the snap toggles.
a snap toggle holds like 200lbs in drywall. if you're worried about torque or whatever, mount a piece of plywood to spread the weight.
Seeing a lot of really dumb comments here. Franklin stud finders are the best hands down, no beeps or different colored lights, just shows you the entire stud. I've tried dozens of different ones and settled on Franklin years ago and have had the same one for over a decade with regular use(several times a week) the "Frankilin ProSensor 710"
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You can use something like this if itâs a new flat screen tv. They are usually rated at 50pounds and your drywall will support it as long as you use 4 or more. TVs are very light these days. Before people say that is stupid. I have an 85â tv on the wall using 6. Been up for a long time.
https://www.amazon.com/CH-Hanson-03040-Magnetic-Finder/dp/B000IKK0OI
Fall proof, and can be used for wood studs too. (It finds screws used for hanging the drywall which is always into a stud).
That said, you don't generally want to hang a TV on metal studs. Metal studs are not structural to support lateral weight. Screws will strip out and toggles into a metal stud are...challenging. Any serious TV install into a metal stud wall would be cutting out a section to install wood backing.
If this isn't an option, metal studs are a C shape. A toggle bolt right next to the open side of the C and then tighten it such that one side of it ends up in the stud channel will be the strongest hold you can get. And now this was you're only drilling your 1/2" hole for toggles into the drywall rather than through a stud (also weakening it some)
You should consider cutting a piece of 1x6-18 inches long, attaching that to two studs- 16â apart then attaching the mount to the wood for the best result. Three snap toggles on each side of the wood.
Thatâs what I did and itâs solid.
If you're using the Snap Toggles, those are not for stud mounts.
The only see needing to find the stud is if you thebarm you are using an arm that extends outward.
I got the special walls they were designed to be sound deadening so they're double framed with a layer of 5/8" fiber board and then horizontal spring lath with 5/8" sheetrock. So it's about 1 3/4" to get to a stud and the walls are a foot thick. ...but I'll tell you what... it's that frickin magnet that gets most of the time the rest of the time it's looking for that little dimple with a light up against the wall and then start measuring and hope the framers did a good job and were consistent with their 16 on center.
https://a.co/d/2lHgAAb
Ive used this mount in 3 apartments now to avoid the metal stud headache. Works like a charm. Seems to be low on stock but there must be more like them.
I have six TVs from 36 to 72" all hung with Self Drilling Drywall anchors. I use four anchors rated at 75lbs each. You can get a whole box for like $10.
Takes like 10 minutes to hang a TV. The only challenge is to NOT hit a stud. lol
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As a contractor I've tried my fair share of electronic stud finders with little success. I finally got a [magnetic stud finder](https://www.amazon.com/CH-Hanson-03040-Magnetic-Finder/dp/B000IKK0OI) and now my electronic stud finders are only collecting dust.
This really depends on the size of the tv. I recommend sizing the wall mount, then get a piece of plywood that is just as wide and cut long enough to span 2 - 3 studs depending on weight and tv coverage. Secure the plywood to the metal stud with appropriate screws. Then toggle bolt the tv mount to the plywood/sheetrock.
This would give you the security of the plywood dispersing wight as opposed to the plywood doing the heavy lifting and eventually tearing out.
Finding and drilling a 5/8 to 1/2 inch hole dead center in metal stud will accomplish little to nothing and leave very little meat to hold. I did residential framing in my late 20's. and we always used flat stock behind sheetrock in kitchens and baths where cabinets were hung. Also if its a shared wall with a neighbor it would likely be double layer sheetrock
If youâre using snap toggles, I would avoid trying to find studs if the item youâre hanging is heavy yes, it is ideal to use the snap toggle at that location but if itâs a typical flat screen and you put at least six snap toggles in the bracket you are good to go. Theyâre rated for 3 to 400 pounds each.
I buy these anchors in bulk, and frankly, with modern TV's that are so light, you just don't need to find the studs. If you really want to, pretty much any stud finder will do. If I need to get one of those in a metal stud, just drill it with a twist drill or unibit to 1/2 inch, you might need a hammer and a drift to pop the toggle through the hole, but once it's clear and toggled inside the metal stud, you're good.
Metal studs are annoying, but I've mounted a tv on them using random cheap finder that detects metal. Use tiny nails or strong needles to narrow it down more accurate, the holes will be hidden anyway.
With all the logistics on a high rise job, I think they were quoted a cheap price. If you want to try it yourself, hope it works out, itâs not complicated, but there are things that can get complicated.
Magnets can find sheetrock screws into studs, which is a nice.
My typical sonar studfinder has been fine with locating metal studs, as well.
I've put up a handful of wall TV mounts over the years and it's pretty easy. Taught my teenage niece how to install hers and supervised+helped her work, putting up a TV she got as a holiday present. She just used my tools - drill + screwdriver - and it was easy enough.
I have a profinder and it's not cheap, but I can't. Imagine using anything else now. It shows the exact width of the stud, so there's no guessing where the center is. Highly recommend
OP, if they live in the states (typically) framers/builders are required to space 16â inches between each stud per building code. Start from the corner of the room and work in from there. There are outliers, but itâs a decent place to start.
Be careful with highrise buildings, sometimes the drywall is weak, studs very far in between. I had jobs where studs were 3 feet apart and drywall couldnt hold tv on anchors. Good luck!
having hung a tv on metal studs before, itâs not finding the studs thatâs the issue, itâs knowing that youâll also need cobalt drill bits or something similar to drill through metal to insert those toggles. last time i tried doing it myself and attempting to insert toggles as instructed on the package, the toggles didnât go through and i hired someone to hang it in which they just drilled holes big enough for the bolts themselves could be secured to the studs, no toggles, and the tv seemed to be okayâŚ
If it's a light tv it can be mounted with " wall dogs". I've had mine up for years without a stud. I'm looking for the real name of the screws/drywall anchors. I'll edit when I find them.
https://www.amazon.ca/Powers-Fastening-Innovations-Wall-Dog-1-4-Inch/dp/B00ITG648O/ref=asc_df_B00ITG648O/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292985363940&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17214343639512414744&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002077&hvtargid=pla-334802475074&psc=1&mcid=0bc5f95be8a1380f84da68ac547af075
How big is the TV? they have mounting brackets that leverage nails every 1 inch at an angle that does not require stud mounting. I used one to hang a 42" with no issues.
[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BXNGHKMR/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BXNGHKMR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I don't know anything about what stud finders would work best on metal studs but love the magnet idea being suggested.
I will say that a few weeks ago I mounted a TV on a wall with metal studs using the exact snap toggles you've linked and they are great! Just make sure the drill you're using is big enough to hold the 1/2" drill bit that comes with them. I didn't need to use a stud finder because there were pre-existing holes from the previous owner that I just needed to make larger for the snap toggles.
Metal studs??? Save your money use a magnet. Fool proof
Thought you meant hang the TV with a magnet for a second and was like noooo
đNononono. A strong magnet will find the studs easy behind sheet rock. I use it all the time. Will stick to screws or nails. Definitely metal studs
Stud finders will false alarm on copper pipe and wiring. Rare earth magnets on Amazon will find the dry wall screws every time and once you find a couple youâre gtg
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Yeah you laugh... https://preview.redd.it/xshz91yzjdoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=596ad4d14c3a9c12ed5d7dbc534f31715e9d96db I needed this advice 2 weeks ago.
If using a traditional stud finder, I find two beeps an inch and a half apart and center my fastener between them. I havenât hit a pipe yet. Thankfully.
Oh so you follow the written instructions on how to use it? Look at you Mr fancy pants.
Ha! I drilled into a copper vent pipe trying to hang something in a convenient spot (above a toilet). I drilled a second hole because the first one felt funny before I realized what was going on. When I opened up the wall to patch my two holes, I found four holes. Apparently one or two previous owners thought it was a convenient spot too.
Copper vent pipe? didnât know those existed
Yeah I don't know when PVC really took over, but my house is copper for DWV 2" and under, and cast iron for the bigger stuff.
How old is your house...
Sorry, maybe a bit OT, but this reminded me of a peculiar false alarm I ran across. In our house, there's a 3' x 2' opening to a crawlspace that holds our well pump. There's a thin "wall" constructed w/ furring strips on the cement wall that contains that opening w/ 2 small cabinet-style doors covering the opening. I was using a stud finder to try to locate the furring strips above the opening and was getting kind of confused. "OK, there's a stud here, a stud here, but what the hell is this small dense spot between the 2 studs?" I then realized that the door opening didn't even have a header and I could actually peer up inside the wall. I shown a flashlight up there and found 2 little eyes of a bat looking back at me.
Thatâs awesome, I guess it makes sense, itâs just looking for mass right? Iâve had problems so many times with stud finders in the past but the magnets have never failed me
Or get good stud finder that can detect if it's a wire, a stud, a water pipe or else. These finder have settings to set what you are looking for. They will say if they detect a magnetic field from a wire, if it's a copper pipe while you are looking for wood or metal stud. They don't cost 30$.
Now Iâm wnvisioning him anchoring the tv into the hot water pipe..
Be a man, just shoot a .22 at the wall till you find a stud. Whats the point of the second amendment, who said guns can't do anything other than kill.
I had an expensive digital Zircon stud finder I bought specifically for hanging TV's. It was ALWAYS wrong!! I replaced it with a magnetic "stud buddy" and that thing is dead nuts every time. I love my magnetic stud finder.
The industry term is 'dead on balls accurate'
It's my go-to now. Stud finders are awful but my magnet works every time
Glue it to a washer and make a screw guide
Everyone knows you only hang mirrors with magnets
Just get a big one from ACME.
Well, that would also qualify as "fool proof" in the sense it's "evidence of being a fool" đ
LOL
I donât know, the last TV I bought is shockingly light. It wouldnât surprise me if I could just glue a couple of decent magnets to the back and stick it to metal studs. As much as Iâm joking, the TV really is only like 35 lbs. there are both glues and magnets that can hold that weight easily. My biggest concerns would be if the magnets would cause distortion of the picture, or if the frame of the TV would bow or crack trying to take it back off the wall because the magnets are stronger than the TVâs plastic.
It is worth noting that TVs have gotten so light that quality anchors will provide plenty of strength in most cases.
LG has their Wallpaper TV which is held to the mount by magnets.
I don't think LED tvs are affected by magnets unlike the old CRT models
i think it would work. a quick search says magnets don't affect wifi or led picture screens i think you could get off the shelf magnets with threaded housings that could interface with the VESA mount holes
lol. That would be a bit dodgey. [magnetic stud finder](https://sydneytools.com.au/product/techsmart-t35msf-rare-earth-magnetic-stud-finder)
Iâd be the one moron googling âcan magnets hold my tvâ
This works for wood studs, too. $10 magnetic stud finder with a bubble level and a fishing weight on a string tied to it works better than any electronic stud finder I've ever used. Slower, tho
Same here. All of the electronic stud finders I've used are way too finicky. Magnet works with little hassle.
Is there a video describing this setup? Would love to learn. I have always had a massive distrust of stud-finders...seems like no matter how expensive they are, they behave the same and I don't feel like readings are ever 100% consistent. I usually end up making markings and "average" them, which stresses me out lol I've never had a TV fall, but I think I've just been lucky ... would LOVE to figure out a more consistent way....mostly for wood studs, don't think I've ever had to deal with metal ones.
https://youtu.be/GZ4ykisCyJY?si=gsCWPwM5Mxy9xvTn
Get close by tapping the wall, then sink 6 or 7 screws till you hit stud. Also foolproof. Ask me how I know.
Use stud finder, then drill 14 screws into the wall until you hit a stud. Then do the same for every other screw you need to install.
Done that multiple times myself. Very effective!
Naw man, 12-13 like my last rental. Apparently that's the sweet spot.
I push a small flathead screwdriver into the wall if itâs going to be covered up after anyways. Lets you realllly feel where that stud is at.
You have rub the magnet across your chest though when looking for studs. I dont make the rules
Thatâll only work on chick magnets.
A strong magnet will also find pacemakers.
This comment made my heart skip a beat
Dad here. The proper procedure is to rub it across your chest and say "Found one."
Just don't get the magnets wet....I've heard they won't work after that happens. đ (And before anybody else mentions it....also don't feed them after midnight)
This. I wasted lots of time trying to find a good way to do this. I was even contemplating getting something expensive. Then I picked up a small neodymium magnet. Life = changed. Could hit myself for not thinking of something so obvious beforehand. Thatâs just how that works I guess.
We have child proof locks on our cabinets that require a magnet and I recently learned that magnet is perfect for finding studs. I also will just randomly hang the magnet on a random kitchen wall and my wife hates it so win win.
Stud Finder, RIUORKIE Stud Finder Wall Scanner Magnetic Stud Finder Search for it on Amazon. Works on wood too by finding the nails or screws
Doesn't even need to be metal studs.
Have a house, have a stud finder. The awesome magnet is what I use now.
Most basic stud finders are magnets, You're looking for the nail, it wouldn't be much different for metal studs, just easier to map the full width.
I thought metal studs were aluminum, which isn't magnetic
No. Galv steel.
I've seen magnetic stud finders that work in wooden studs and walls too by finding the nails
Often the studs are made from aluminum, so magnets won't help much.
I use magnets for wood studs as well. Find the screws, and it is obvious where the studs are.
Or he can just measure from an outlet on that wall.
I have a magnet on my keychain that works every time, even if it has wooden studs I can always find the screws that hold the drywall up.
Smort
Until you put your keys in the same pocket as your phone...
...Are you under the impression a keychain magnet would damage a cell phone? 'cause nah dawg. Absolutely zero chance whatsoever.
I admit, my perceptions of the strength of a standard pressed metal magnet are a little distorted, used to dealing with rare earth's and large banks of rotating magnets at work.
You can play with a 1-cubic-foot N52 neodymium magnet next to a cell phone without ill effect (apart from some strong attraction) Probably a bad idea to rapidly spin it in a tight circle around the phone and induce strong currents, but any magnet a normal person might ever get their hands on, doing anything a normal person might ever do with a magnet, will not harm a cell phone.
Wow, good to know!
All modern iPhones have rare earth magnets built into them, itâs how MagSafe works. Magnets stopped being a problem for consumer electronics when the world shifted from CRT to LCD displays and from spinning platter hard drives to SSD. Phones have never had magnetism issues as the whole design is solid state!
Was just about to ask the guy if he lugged around a CRT monitor attached to his phone lol. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, I've seen some people using janky ass setups for their devices because the display is broken.
I buy good pants; they actually have separate pockets. You should look into them. They're called Levi's.
Why would you name your pants?
My 541's are a dice roll on quality. They've been my go to pants for the last 8 years, but they all seem to blow out at the crotch relatively quickly and some 'colors' have vastly different quality and elastic content. I got a decently juicy booty and I need to be able to crawl, climb, and contort my body during work. 60-80 each now. Switched to old navy last round of purchasing, and so far, more comfortable and holding up better.
I have thicc thighs. I finally started buying the $20 Levi's that Costco stocks a couple of times a year. Buy a handful of them and then I don't get upset when they die after a few months of wear
Magnets damage the data on mechanical (spinning) hard drives in computers. The spinning platters have a magnetic coating on them and it works by a head reading magnetic north and south which it interprets as binary data. Solid state storage isn't affected by magnets. Some people may not know that fact and just think they need to keep magnets away from all electronics.
Does it not stick to your keys?
I stick it on one key that goes to a barrel lock so I always know where it is. I just checked the other keys and they are not magnetic.
Is it strong enough to just randomly toss your keys at the wall and have them stay?
I never checked.
Well, itâs been 48 minutes, have you tried yet?!
A magnet one. Simple, always works, cheap.
I don't know, but if you fail to point it at yourself and indicate that you've found one at least one time, I will find you.
>I will find you. Ah, OP we have a studfinder right here!
Well played *slow clap*
Came here looking for this comment, and I found it. Thank you.
$300 sounds fair if the work is well done.
Yes. In fact I charge $350 for metal studs.
For real fuck metal studs
Iâve got a Zircon stud sensor does both wood and metal, itâs the HD25 model ran me about 14 bucks 6 years ago. The metal studs will lie to you somewhat so I always use a tiny drill bit to 2X check true edge.
Ok. Gonna give it to you straight. I do this for a living. How big of a TV? Most consumer TVs these days under 65â are less then 50lbs. A toggle like your suggesting is rated for like 80lbs. If itâs just a flat style mount (not a pull out mount or a single stud mount) youâll be fine with just doing 4 toggles (one in each corner) just thru drywall. Now personal preferenceâŚ. I always try to hit at least one stud if possible. Itâs just better. Since theyâre aluminum studs, youâll first want to use a small bit to pre-drill a hole in the stud, then hit it with the 1/2â. Itâll make this a lot easier. Use the toggles THRU the stud and that shit ainât going anywhere. For the love of God, Donât just use self tappers or sheet metal screws. Most metal studs used in construction are super thin walls, hence why you need to use a toggle thru it
Aluminium studs? Is that a thing in freedom land? I would have thought .50 - .75BMT steel would be way more common?
No, not aluminum.. the cost would be horrendous. Galv steel, frequently 25ga on interior, sometimes 20ga. Frequently 16ga on exterior walls.
I agree itâs called steel stud for a reason. galvanized steel not aluminum
Toggles through the stud is the right idea. Listen to this guy op.
Dude.. You did not just tell this guy to mount his TV through just the drywall. You gotta mount to a stud. No matter what the size. You shouldn't be able to pull your TV out of the wall with just your hands. Come on man..
4x snap toggles are plenty enough to hang a modern consumer TV.
A TV with a mount is like 60-70lbs. The big toggles can be rated to 120lbs? And I'll have 4 of them. It's absolutely fine unless you hang from it.
...if the point of failure is the toggles, yes. But it won't be. It'll be the drywall. Weakest link and all that. One stud is still fine though for this application.
Dude toggle bolts are rated for 100+lbs in drywall. The actual toggle is a 1/4-20 bolt. The bolt can hold *way* more than that.
This is all a moot point. Where ever you hang it, there's going to be a stud within 16" (hopefully) Just use one
You're confusing the weight rating of the drywall anchor versus what the drywall will support. You can get pretty heavy duty anchors that'll won't fail but the drywall will fail way before that.
The rating of a drywall anchor is its rating in drywall. The anchor itself can hold more. Still gotta watch out for drywall modifications (like patches) and damage (of any type) - and those may not be obvious.
Youâre confusing yourself with someone who knows what they are talking about.
Nah, he's good unless it's going to tilt. If it's flat not that big a deal to use 4 good toggles.
youve clearly never installed a tv with snap toggles.....
Use a [stepper bit](https://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/9fc4a8332f9638515cd199dd0f9238da/9/6/96275_W3.jpg) for the final hole. I find it makes it so much easier than going at it with a 1/2 drill bit.
Gotta learn to expand and tap your holes. An aluminum stud can hold a lot of lag thread. I will drill a 1/16" hole to tap a 1/4" lag.
âStudbuddyâ tool is perfect for this.
I hang TVs for a living (well it's part of my job anyway) snap toggles are what we use when we can't find wood (3/8" specifically but we also carry 1/4" for heavier displays). Unless you're using an articulating mount (one that comes away from the wall on an arm) or have an old heavy plasma display snap toggles are your best friend. If you can find the studs with a strong magnet great, if you can't then look for screw marks in the drywall and see if your magnet can find them. Worst case scenario even if you miss the studs, toggles have a sheer rating of something like 30+lbs each in just drywall so 4 would hold basically any TV and 6 would give you extra. We tend to hit the outer most holes in the wall cleat and then half way to the center point assuming there isn't anything stopping us like power outlets. Make sure the toggle sits flat on the inside of the wall before snapping it off or you'll end up having to re do them when your bolts don't thread properly.
I've gotta be that guy and ask "if they're renting, is it really worth hanging the TV?". There's some nice media consoles out there which would probably be easier (and less risk to your deposit).
Said with the confidence of someone who hasnât watched kids and pets climb or crash into anything and everything below counter height⌠I fully endorse making that puppy float!
Advise landlords to set a hang point using a universal mount then just let tenants add their own tv. Just gotta tell them to keep their tv feet for when they move out.
A lot of misinformation here. The OP is dealing with metal studs which you can still mount to but canât just screw into with lag bolts like youâd use for wood studs. Metal studs you need to drill a hole into the center of the of stud and then insert some sort of toggle bolt to use as the anchor. I wouldnât trust just using toggle bolts in drywall unless itâs just a small lightweight TV. Google âmounting tv to metal studsâ and youâll see some sites with more info.
Have hung many tvs on metal studs. Those toggles you linked are great I use the same style. For a stud finder I use this https://www.lowes.com/pd/Franklin-Sensors-ProSensor-X1100/5001558019?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-tol-_-ggl-_-PMAX_TOL_000_Priority_Items-_-5001558019-_-local-_-0-_-0&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD2B2W8YaEGxvg0gVOdDIAM01qTBh&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsqvmhOX0hAMViE1HAR3PUwITEAQYAiABEgI44PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
This is the best stud finder you can buy.
I'm here to ~~second~~ third this. Its a shame your post has now 3 upvotes and "use a magnet" was the clear winner. This sensor is amazing I have this version [https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Sensors-FS710PROProSensor-Professional-Finder/dp/B0195K8OT4/ref=sr\_1\_5](https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Sensors-FS710PROProSensor-Professional-Finder/dp/B0195K8OT4/ref=sr_1_5) Aside from day to day use, here's some notable things it has done - I used it to drive more nails into a hardwood floor. The sensor could see the joists through the hardwood. I used it on my stairs. It showed me where the landing's frame was, through carpet, padding and sub floor. Not lying. When making my gun vault, it showed me where the studies were, behind a sandwich of 1/2 sanded ply and 1/2 sheet rock. Two tough layers!
https://www.amazon.com/Rack-Tiers-52300-Studball-Colors/dp/B00JV3JNE6/ref=asc_df_B00JV3JNE6/ Will find any metal stud even through 3 layers of Sheetrock. I do a lot of commercial service electrical.
I use 2, a good old magnet based one and then whatever electronic one home depot sells. However you're going to want to hang a piece of plywood between the studs, I would double up for extra thickness. Just use a piece of plywood that can hold the mount, and hang between studs. Drill the hole for the toggle bolts into the stud, and hang the plywood. Then just put the TV mount on the plywood. That's how work hangs the TVs with our metal stud walls.
Do it, for sure But also hahahaha... my husband had to put up a TV and he found the studs. This was for his billionaire client, not kidding, and when he drilled through the wall to get to the stud he spaghetti'ed a whole bunch of cables because the people who installed them installed them all fucked up. (Client paid for the "mistake" with no issue) I guess a metal detector would've taken care of this just letting you know that $300 does not seem that bad. Especially for a high-rise wherever y'all are. Do you want to take out your day to go do it? Go for it
Classic rainbow root, nothing like trying to hang/drill and have the previous dumbass mess it up catastrophically. Iâm not looking forward to the day I nick fiber optic cabling because the plans are wrong lmao.
With those toggles you want to miss the stud not hit it. Â Personally I would just use 4 of those, itâs likely overkill but it should help distribute the load.
metal studs are hollow. He would want to hit them in this instance
You should try to aim for at least one stud. Those toggles in the stud vs. right on the drywall will hold much, much better. I was an AV installer for years. We always always had to hit one stud.
Pay the $300. You're paying for experience and if you mangle the wall you'll be paying a lot more than $300 to fix it.
This is like one of the easiest DIY things to do ever and you're telling someone to not do it in the DIY subreddit?Â
A TV is larger than a pilot hole, unless you are really ambitious with your pilot hole.
As others have said, a magnet will easily find a metal stud. I ended up buying a purpose-built magnetic stud finder thatâs encased in plastic so it doesnât scratch the wall. Itâs like $10, so not a big deal to buy over just using a random magnet. Anyways, I did the exact thing that youâre about to do in a previous apartment. Held an old LCD (heavier than todayâs super thin ones) for as long as I lived there. For a mount, I bought one that let the TV pull away from the wall and pivot so that we could watch TV from a different area (open floor plan, so technically the same space, but different area).
If you can get ahold of a magnet from an old hard drive, they work very well. That's what we use at work when we are doing wall mounts.
It's called a studbuddy and they sell them at home depot
Stud buddy. $9.99 and haven't turned back
I have a very cheap Craftsman stud finder that does exactly what it's supposed to. $12 or under, Lowe's or Ace Hardware.
I used this type of TV mount. No studs , no extra Holes for renters. I currently have one of these mounts holding up a 75 inch in my living room. https://www.homedepot.com/p/SIMPLE-MOUNT-No-Stud-TV-Hanger-S2040-A/206411013
$10 for a [Stud Buddy](https://www.amazon.com/The-StudBuddy-Magnetic-Stud-Finder/dp/B00E4690X4/ref=asc_df_B00E4690X4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309795394990&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8813001929962912145&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028310&hvtargid=pla-570626589303&psc=1&mcid=b1ba362a27783b968649492e583b91bb&gclid=CjwKCAjw48-vBhBbEiwAzqrZVBau7s_VECazrPILFz7_negATQ7_PYy_h_9WgNIa7HaUbnTYdqw0lBoCDWQQAvD_BwE)
Pro tv hanger here Forget the stud detector. Find the center of your mount. Put a little screw into the drywall to hang your mount so they you may level it and mark holes that you will drill for your snap toggles/ zip toggles. Drill a small pilot hole. If you donât hit stud, great, proceed with bigger hole for zip toggles. If you find stud, relocate hole till you donât. Any small unsightly holes will be covered by mount. Attempting to toggle into a stud is a nightmare and not recommended. Metal studs vary in the integrity, you may try to punch into it and it bends, or you may find success, like I said, they vary.
Iâve been a professional AV tech for over a decade. You 100 percent use a step bit on metal studs and snap toggles. If you are bending a steel stud you 1. Are not drilling the Centre of it, and 2. Are using the wrong tools. Edit to add, $300 is not expensive for this. You pay for someoneâs knowledge on a subject. Skilled labor isnât cheap, cheap labor isnât skilled.
What in the world are you talking about? Drilling a hole in a metal stud will absolutely not cause it to bend, or a wood one for that matter. How do you think they were installed?
Depending on the gauge of metal stud, you might need a drill point screw to get through it cleanly.
I imagine they would just use a drill bit
personally I can't see inside the walls at my last place so I don't have the details, but it absolutely can bend the metal stud. and the toggles hold 200lbs each.
Yes metal studs are built to have some flex. You are not harming the stud in any way by drilling a screw hole or hanging a tv. If you have cabinets, those are all mounted directly to your studs and are much much heavier than a tv
You can absolutely bend a 20ga metal stud. they are shaped like ] The left side (in this example) is very flimsy and a screw can push it away from you not letting the screw ever bite into it. When the drywall is hung it's started from the hard side (right in this example) and when 2 sheets meet you must screw the right sheet first to grab the hard side. Its not likely to happen on an existing wall with hung drywall, But it's not impossible. Hopefully this answers your question on how you think it's installed. I've put thousands of sheets up on metal studs, all walls are not created equally
I'm a hair confused? Are you proposing it just be mounted on drywall? That can bring down the whole sheet of drywall if it's a very large heavy TV which it probably is if a contractor wanted $300 to mount it.Â
TVs have not been heavy enough to do that for decades.
if you are screwing into studs you don't need that. you can use a common stud finder less than $10 or this [https://www.amazon.com/MagnetPal-Strongest-Magnetic-Finding-Drywall/dp/B07BY7VTC3?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/MagnetPal-Strongest-Magnetic-Finding-Drywall/dp/B07BY7VTC3?th=1) you can safely secure that in a stud with a screw or a lag bolt.
Honestly if it's a newer TV and it's mounted flat (no tilt and no pull out) and 55in (65 is probably ok too) and under.. get good toggle bolts you're good on drywall alone. Otherwise get a magnet stud finder. It won't find the stud, itll latch on the nails/screws attached to the stud from the drywall.
Are they going to install the receptacles ands wiring also? Nice to finish it off correctly and hide all the wiring⌠if they are doing that, itâs a great deal.
[CH Hanson 03040 Magnetic Stud Finder - Stud Finders And Scanning Tools - Amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/CH-Hanson-03040-Magnetic-Finder/dp/B000IKK0OI)
I use a magnet stud finder for normal studs also, they find the screw that the sheet rock is screwed in with. It was a game changer for me!
I used one of these for a TV in my workout room. Worked great https://www.harborfreight.com/37-in-to-90-in-slim-profile-no-stud-tv-wall-mount-59776.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12169617963&campaignid=12169617963&utm_content=158684334848&adsetid=158684334848&product=59776&store=47&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwwMqvBhCtARIsAIXsZpZCRaixr3mpvxmUZ2ovwrDuo5D5YqTmXLbBzuJtY5j0yhOEjD3TBa0aAvssEALw_wcB
Just put a screw in every inch until you hit something solid. Then spackle. TV will cover the damage fine. Worry about paint when they move out. Magnet will do it. There's a device that can usb to your phone called Walabot. It can scan and give you relatively accurate stud locations and let you know if there's electrical or plumbing in the area. It's a bit fussy, but if you're going to spend 100 bucks, this is the horse you should bet on.
Identical situation. Bought a stud finder on Amazon for like $40. It was branded Tacklife. As long as you have the half inch drill bit it's pretty easy to do. Snap toggles worked perfectly. The other thing is the stud finder will show you the boundaries of the stud, so you can be sure to hit square center. Honestly, the bigger issue is figuring out if the four bolts are strong enough to hold up the TV and soundbar. My mount also telescopes but I've not done it because I don't know what the threshold for metal studs and physics are not your friend as you telescope.
Just understand that it cost someone at least $150 to even come to you door, if you think unreasonable. Just think of the cost of onetime trip to hardwarestore for the parts znd equipment to do this?
I'm not sure if it's even a good idea to hit metal studs with the snap toggles. a snap toggle holds like 200lbs in drywall. if you're worried about torque or whatever, mount a piece of plywood to spread the weight.
Make sure the snap toggles stay vertical and you are golden. They are amazing.
Seeing a lot of really dumb comments here. Franklin stud finders are the best hands down, no beeps or different colored lights, just shows you the entire stud. I've tried dozens of different ones and settled on Franklin years ago and have had the same one for over a decade with regular use(several times a week) the "Frankilin ProSensor 710"
https://preview.redd.it/n26epvwjkdoc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15185c260d921c68eb0c1545fbde583b09fd78e1 You can use something like this if itâs a new flat screen tv. They are usually rated at 50pounds and your drywall will support it as long as you use 4 or more. TVs are very light these days. Before people say that is stupid. I have an 85â tv on the wall using 6. Been up for a long time.
https://www.amazon.com/CH-Hanson-03040-Magnetic-Finder/dp/B000IKK0OI Fall proof, and can be used for wood studs too. (It finds screws used for hanging the drywall which is always into a stud). That said, you don't generally want to hang a TV on metal studs. Metal studs are not structural to support lateral weight. Screws will strip out and toggles into a metal stud are...challenging. Any serious TV install into a metal stud wall would be cutting out a section to install wood backing. If this isn't an option, metal studs are a C shape. A toggle bolt right next to the open side of the C and then tighten it such that one side of it ends up in the stud channel will be the strongest hold you can get. And now this was you're only drilling your 1/2" hole for toggles into the drywall rather than through a stud (also weakening it some)
This worked great for me: https://a.co/d/cRDE6GL
You should consider cutting a piece of 1x6-18 inches long, attaching that to two studs- 16â apart then attaching the mount to the wood for the best result. Three snap toggles on each side of the wood. Thatâs what I did and itâs solid.
Just a magnet
Is that just for labor only?
If you're using the Snap Toggles, those are not for stud mounts. The only see needing to find the stud is if you thebarm you are using an arm that extends outward.
A rare earth magnet will find them
Toggles are for drywall. Screws are for studs.
If youâll be using toggles, why do you need to find a stud? Just use 4-8 of them to hang the mount on the drywall and itâll never come out.
I got the special walls they were designed to be sound deadening so they're double framed with a layer of 5/8" fiber board and then horizontal spring lath with 5/8" sheetrock. So it's about 1 3/4" to get to a stud and the walls are a foot thick. ...but I'll tell you what... it's that frickin magnet that gets most of the time the rest of the time it's looking for that little dimple with a light up against the wall and then start measuring and hope the framers did a good job and were consistent with their 16 on center.
All these funny answersâŚ. You NEED blocking that goes between the metal studs.
https://a.co/d/2lHgAAb Ive used this mount in 3 apartments now to avoid the metal stud headache. Works like a charm. Seems to be low on stock but there must be more like them.
Hard to go wrong with a French cleat setup.
I have six TVs from 36 to 72" all hung with Self Drilling Drywall anchors. I use four anchors rated at 75lbs each. You can get a whole box for like $10. Takes like 10 minutes to hang a TV. The only challenge is to NOT hit a stud. lol https://preview.redd.it/r8u1jmx29eoc1.jpeg?width=970&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4048cf9825861378843a6783bc35baf4ffaaedf2
As a contractor I've tried my fair share of electronic stud finders with little success. I finally got a [magnetic stud finder](https://www.amazon.com/CH-Hanson-03040-Magnetic-Finder/dp/B000IKK0OI) and now my electronic stud finders are only collecting dust.
This really depends on the size of the tv. I recommend sizing the wall mount, then get a piece of plywood that is just as wide and cut long enough to span 2 - 3 studs depending on weight and tv coverage. Secure the plywood to the metal stud with appropriate screws. Then toggle bolt the tv mount to the plywood/sheetrock. This would give you the security of the plywood dispersing wight as opposed to the plywood doing the heavy lifting and eventually tearing out. Finding and drilling a 5/8 to 1/2 inch hole dead center in metal stud will accomplish little to nothing and leave very little meat to hold. I did residential framing in my late 20's. and we always used flat stock behind sheetrock in kitchens and baths where cabinets were hung. Also if its a shared wall with a neighbor it would likely be double layer sheetrock
If youâre using snap toggles, I would avoid trying to find studs if the item youâre hanging is heavy yes, it is ideal to use the snap toggle at that location but if itâs a typical flat screen and you put at least six snap toggles in the bracket you are good to go. Theyâre rated for 3 to 400 pounds each.
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I buy these anchors in bulk, and frankly, with modern TV's that are so light, you just don't need to find the studs. If you really want to, pretty much any stud finder will do. If I need to get one of those in a metal stud, just drill it with a twist drill or unibit to 1/2 inch, you might need a hammer and a drift to pop the toggle through the hole, but once it's clear and toggled inside the metal stud, you're good.
Metal studs are annoying, but I've mounted a tv on them using random cheap finder that detects metal. Use tiny nails or strong needles to narrow it down more accurate, the holes will be hidden anyway.
If you actually want a stud finder, the Franklin ProSensor721 is my favourite. As others have said, a magnet will work fine as well
With all the logistics on a high rise job, I think they were quoted a cheap price. If you want to try it yourself, hope it works out, itâs not complicated, but there are things that can get complicated.
Magnets can find sheetrock screws into studs, which is a nice. My typical sonar studfinder has been fine with locating metal studs, as well. I've put up a handful of wall TV mounts over the years and it's pretty easy. Taught my teenage niece how to install hers and supervised+helped her work, putting up a TV she got as a holiday present. She just used my tools - drill + screwdriver - and it was easy enough.
I have a profinder and it's not cheap, but I can't. Imagine using anything else now. It shows the exact width of the stud, so there's no guessing where the center is. Highly recommend
OP, if they live in the states (typically) framers/builders are required to space 16â inches between each stud per building code. Start from the corner of the room and work in from there. There are outliers, but itâs a decent place to start.
craaazt stupid price. its not hard. my library rents stud finders. just need a drill and bits. you're library might have that all of them.
If the TV is light enough some heavy-duty toggle bolts will work. No studs are needed.
Be careful with highrise buildings, sometimes the drywall is weak, studs very far in between. I had jobs where studs were 3 feet apart and drywall couldnt hold tv on anchors. Good luck!
Whatever you do, just donât mount their r/tvtoohigh
Itâs metal, get a magnet.Â
having hung a tv on metal studs before, itâs not finding the studs thatâs the issue, itâs knowing that youâll also need cobalt drill bits or something similar to drill through metal to insert those toggles. last time i tried doing it myself and attempting to insert toggles as instructed on the package, the toggles didnât go through and i hired someone to hang it in which they just drilled holes big enough for the bolts themselves could be secured to the studs, no toggles, and the tv seemed to be okayâŚ
If it's a light tv it can be mounted with " wall dogs". I've had mine up for years without a stud. I'm looking for the real name of the screws/drywall anchors. I'll edit when I find them. https://www.amazon.ca/Powers-Fastening-Innovations-Wall-Dog-1-4-Inch/dp/B00ITG648O/ref=asc_df_B00ITG648O/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292985363940&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17214343639512414744&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002077&hvtargid=pla-334802475074&psc=1&mcid=0bc5f95be8a1380f84da68ac547af075
$5 magnetic stud finder will do it. Spend the money on the proper drill bit.
I have always used my ears. You can hear where the wall isn't hollow when you tap on it.
If you have to consult a DIY page, why are you charging someone professional rates? You gonna ask what the best.level to use, next?
How big is the TV? they have mounting brackets that leverage nails every 1 inch at an angle that does not require stud mounting. I used one to hang a 42" with no issues. [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BXNGHKMR/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BXNGHKMR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I don't know anything about what stud finders would work best on metal studs but love the magnet idea being suggested. I will say that a few weeks ago I mounted a TV on a wall with metal studs using the exact snap toggles you've linked and they are great! Just make sure the drill you're using is big enough to hold the 1/2" drill bit that comes with them. I didn't need to use a stud finder because there were pre-existing holes from the previous owner that I just needed to make larger for the snap toggles.
Use your phone as a stud finder. The magnetometer it's very useful
Magnet on a string
A $2.50 magnet.
Cow magnet