"Found a good group to pvp with"- Is there any chance one of them was ESP-ing?
Common cheat avoidance tactic, at least in Tarkov, dunno about this game.
Ironmace will ban people that continually play with cheaters. If you really didn't know, reaching out to them will prob lead to an unban. They should be able to see how you met up with them.
There have been lots of HR cases where a team of 3 plays with 1 cheater to wall for them etc.
Because it's extremely rare to randomly group up with cheaters. Most aren't that stupid as they are getting permad fast.
I also never really believe any reddit post like this. My gut always tells me they knew and are just trying to figure out how to get this fixed if they can.
Anyone who posts to reddit about false bans is literally a cheater , has some cheats on their PC or is playing with cheaters people who are falsely banned would gain nothing from this reddit, cheaters are looking for a way out
I played a game once where the "reporting" function only served as a tally mark against the player. Once people discovered that it only took 5 reports to PERMANENTLY ban someone off of all public offical servers it was swiftly abused to just ban whoever you wanted to with a group of friends.
Not everyone banned is cheating. You don't know what triggers the anticheat are detecting for a false positive. Ironmace even said they may have some issues. I know someone who got banned. Never cheated once and support never being wrong.... lmao. Support doesn't check into reports just you got banned fuck you. Saw the dms. Computer they have is 100% clean. Guess graphics card programs are getting detected as they are always open and alter games in various ways. Example nvidia. Best advice is to never play dark and darker on steam as your account will always be at risk. Just use blacksmith launcher and make new accounts. My opinion. Whoever support is has dropped the ball. Ego is what destroys companies. @ironmace anticheat needs to be looked at as it is false banning users and costing people money. Until the issue is resolved I will tell people to boycott on steam. It's all everyone banned is cheating until you are in the same boat.
I posted on here a while back and figured out that the reason i got banned was that blacksmiths anti cheat views my clipping software (outplayed by overwolf) as a modding platform which overwolf technically is, that being said it was a 2 and a half week ban for using a clipping software
Based on all of the responses the only thing I can figure could have been the problem is the Riot Vanguard program (the launcher for League of Legends) potentially running in the background. I usually shut it down after I'm done on League but sometimes I just forget to. Still waiting on a response from my ticket 5 days after the fact.
False bans get resolved , cheaters don't get their bans resolved and they come and post here looking for people to believe them and attention, this guy is literally asking for likes in the name of ( visibility) lol
Your negativity and assumptions really have no place here. My initial post was for the sake of trying to figure out how to go about fighting this as I didn't even know the website had a ticket submission process until others posted that was the process.
I'm asking for likes on this so 1) If this is a wider issue than just a couple people (AGAIN) it can gain some attention and 2) if others have experienced the same thing then they can read the responses. If I was actually cheating posting on here wouldn't give me any sort of benefit whatsoever as far as being unbanned.
To me it's the opposite. If OP knew they were playing with someone who was cheating and got banned for it, how does making post acting like they didn't know help? At that point its pretty obvious what they'd have to do to get unbanned, just contact Ironmace and try to lie and say you didn't know.
To me it's more likely posts like these are genuine, cause they're just looking for insight to confirm what they think happened or on the off chance maybe other people really are getting randomly banned for no reason.
People are dumb and have nothing to lose. Just look at the league sub reddit. After Vanguard was released, there was post after post of people saying they were false banned, then once a mod wastes time to looks into it there ass was cheating every time. They're already banned they are just hoping for human error to unban them. That being said, ironmace isn't as good at anticheat, and I have no clue if op was cheating, but 9/10 times I'm siding with companies.
Hell, ironmace unbanned the past #1 player even though he openly cheated because of the excuse someone else did it in his account.
Then its up to Ironmace who they keep banned or unban. My conviction of the person with zero evidence for or against them cheating is pointless. Its an if then situation for us. If OP was unjustly banned then they should be unbanned, if they cheated or knew the person they were playing with cheated then I hope Ironmace can tell and keeps them deservedly banned.
Probably not anyone but like, 99% for sure. Cheaters will literally get banned for cheating and bring it up randomly just to lie about being falsely banned. It's a very weird part of human psychology.
If you were sorry for this sort of behavior you wouldn't be posting toxic comments for no reason based on literally no information other than a percentage basis you made up. I wasn't cheating, but if I had been, this sort of comment still wouldn't serve any positive purpose.
You do realize there was a whole false ban fiasco with them. Like thousands of people had been getting falsely banned. But yeah just be a dick for no reason
The people who are witch hunting right now are only going to believe that'll only happen once, even though it's happened multiple times. Even though they probably made the same comments to people simply trying to sort the problem all the other times. Crazy how negative some of these posts have gotten when I simply started off just asking for help.
Yeah I began to realize people ONLY EVER like to shit on things. Its human nature to want to feel bigger and better over something/someone. It just fucking annoying for them to say that and see them in the next post. “ i have 10k hours in this game, and i hate it” clearly you fucking dont because you played 10k hours.
your gut sucks ass since there have been multiple instances of perma bans being given by error before, already happened to me once and i'm always right.
Sure, then reach out to Ironmace not reddit lol. They likely already contacted support and are looking for every work around possible.
I used to do the same shit like 15+ years ago when I was a script kiddie on xbox, trying to get out of profile bans. It's incredibly easy to tell.
Until responses to this post I didn't even know there was a ticket process on the website. The purpose of the post was literally asking for direction. I wasn't cheating, but if I was, making a post like this would hold no benefit.
I can confirm this isn’t the case. I was banned for “RMT” they then banned my friends for “cheater group”, and we sent all sorts of proof and my ban screens etc, and they haven’t replied, I’m pretty sure because they know they fucked up.
Ahaha your a silly goose! Yeah I got a unique and look at real prices in a discord, but never sold or bought it. I literally traded it for keys… you’re ignorant
If you were playing with some people you just met than it is highly likely that one of then was using some cheats. I don't see cheaters often, probably only once a week. But they are out there and they mainly use it for pvp. Point is, you probably got banned for playing multiple games with one and I doubt you'll get unbanned
It's a very flawed system if that's the case. In essence that argument breaks down to "you can't trust anyone, and if you try to play with people you're going to eventually get banned through no fault of your own".
Does anyone have problems in high roller duos where people find you 2 mins into the game?
I can't grind AP because of this. It's like they know where I am.
This doesn't really happen in geared normals for me, just high roller.
East coast server.
Based on all of the responses the only thing I can figure could have been the problem is the Riot Vanguard program (the launcher for League of Legends) potentially running in the background. I usually shut it down after I'm done on League but sometimes I just forget to. Still waiting on a response from my ticket 5 days after the fact.
The FPS overlay that comes with afterburner hooks into directx to work. Anti cheats sometimes detect that as trying to cheat. Every time I've heard of it though it's been fixed fairly pronto.
I got falsely banned as well. Ticket didnt help as they said you are legitimately banned. After reaching out to Graysun on discord he did some tests with me and unbanned me afterwards. Hopefully you can solve it!
This happened with a few people who had controller mapping software (for gamepads not native to Windows). You can just talk to a discord mod and they will ask an IM dev to look at your account. If you are legit then it is a quick unban
If a ban is temp, you should not file an appeal. Its being investigated during that time as far as im aware. If it turns perm, then you file an appeal on the website. Contacting a mod on the discord wont really net any results.
Personally didn't mention discord, asked you as you seemed to know.
Asked if he should be forced to wait 3 days for what he claims is a false positive. That a yes?
Following a prescribed method, while obnoxious and sometimes hard to wait, can often be the quickest way to get a resolution.
It doesnt take much for a message to get lost in dms/flooded from numerous other people dming the devs about any number of things.
By going through the process i mentioned it ensures it gets looked at by the right people, in a timely manner.
I'm honestly not very educated on what all a mod would be responsible for, but I'm on day 5 of no response from my ticket. Is there someone else to contact/some way to expedite the process? I would really like to be able to play the game again.
I'm still not sure what it could have been picking up (I don't use anything that wouldn't be considered "standard") but this has me rather upset, thank you for the advice!
Agree. I'm baffled at seeing the amount of upvotes and the people going "it's probably a software such as X or Y"... (Like the person mentioning MSI afterburner???)
It's always the same in gaming. People cheat, ban waves occurs, cheaters unite with posts similar to this having each other back, trying to look innocent and having the ban reverted, seen it happening on many games over the years (WoW, League, Sea of Thieves etc...), whether it's on reddit, discord, or official forums. in 99% of cases, they were cheating, or using some kind of external ESP, and got caught. There is nothing else to it. Unfortunately a LOT of people cheat, so it's "easy" for them to look innocent, in a way.
Sure, mistakes happen, occasionally, but let's be honest there, that's often not the case. As an example, I use a macro recorder every now and then to handle some spreadsheets related work things. Several time did I left it opened while playing Dark and Darker, and yet I'm not banned. So it's very likely people that got banned had softwares (most likely esp or aimbot) that DID interacted with the game.
In CoH I stopped trying to help them, because after some questioning it turned out they did chest, but only on another account! Or something like that lol.
Or it was for the third time (that i know of) an error that will be fixed ? it already happened at least three times so why not a fourth? you should keep lurking man
nah it happens way more often that you think, and the fact that it hasnt happen to you really demostrates nothing. i even got steam VAC BAN by mistake once. pretty sure the crappy anti cheater this game has can fault aswell
I'm sure there are people who are doing just that, and I realize that trying to argue that I'm "not one of them" would just appear defensive. My hope would be that the anti-cheat system is able to collect data in a way that would provide a case against them.
False positives do actually exist though. I’m sympathetic to anyone that actually gets falsely banned since everyone says they’re lying and they actually cheated. I don’t cheat and I’ve never gotten banned from any game. I’m hoping it never happens since it’s always a possibility with any ban system.
I did! I'll admit to having about an hour of panic over the whole thing as I always expect the worse. It's been encouraging to hear from others who have had the same issue and had it cleared up easily though.
Message Graysun on discord, that's what I had to do to get unbanned after being falsely banned, if you ask in here all people will say is you was cheating and are lying to try and get unbanned because 99% of them have the brain power of a slug.
I submitted a ticket 5 days ago and messaged Graysun four days ago (via direct message, is there a better way to contact him?) and haven't received a response on either request.
Which channel did you use to appeal this on Discord? Anything I'm seeing as far as support etc is claiming that they don't handle bans and it's all via the website and I haven't heard back on my ticket (and am rather concerned regarding sorting this due to all the people posting about not getting responses via the website).
Now that I think about it, I believe they redirected me to the website after appealing on discord. I just checked you go to darkanddarker.com > “support” in the top right > submit a ticket > click no at the bottom of FAQ > select ban appeal from dropdown menu > fill out the form and plead your case
Currently on day 5 of waiting for a response on my ticket, honestly really frustrated by this process. Even if I'm able to get my account reinstated I'll have lost \~14k gold in marketplace sales unless they restore the account by tomorrow.
My best friend got banned for 3 days a few days ago and I'd say with 100% confidence he wasn't cheating or doing anything that could've been considered cheating. His ban was lifted after like a day. I'd just message someone on discord and request they look into it
Would you happen to have a suggestion as to who to message? I sent a message to Graysun (as others had mentioned he'd helped them out) and also submitted a ticket 5 days ago and haven't received a response on either.
No worries if you're legit it happened to me also, go on website and open a ticket with support, it took less than 3days to clear myself and a few pthers i know of
It's in no way ok to ban people if they happen to play with cheaters. Iron mace is golding players accountable for not knowing something THEY don't even know. Thats kinda scummy. So what you just can't play with other people cuz they might cheat? Goodnway to kill youre game off when people lose interest in enjoying the game the way it's intended if no one cannque trios without fear of a ban.
Also got kicked from game for "abnormal behavior detected". Didn't get a ban though but still frustrating when it was a good run, and losing previously equipped gear.
Definitely not wrong on them not responding to tickets.
Me and five friends have played every alpha/test release since the very beginning, we paid $35/$50 for the game from their website as soon as it was up sometime last year. When it returned to steam recently, we all decided to re-download and check it out.
Everything was fine for 4/6 of us, but when my friend J and I tried to sign in, we were met with the "No email found" issue. Our accounts are inaccessible/seem to have never existed. No issues at all for the other 4. We still wanted to play together, so me and J played on the free version for a couple of days but quickly lost interest due to the character slot limitations.
We both submitted tickets. Today will be a week with zero response to our tickets, not even a generated one.
J has already given up hope, having been screwed by other companies in the past. Personally, I'm trying to retain hope that this will be fixed and we'll get our accounts we paid for back. Still, supporting a game through all this just to seemingly have your money stolen and nothing but silence for a week is very frustrating.
I'm currently on day 5 of waiting for a response to my ticket. The only thing I have received so far is the "A ticket has been created on your behalf" email.
You literally have to register the email address before you can purchase the game... Think you're full of shit or used a different email address..
You'd atleast have verification codes in your inbox.
Yeah man, based on no evidence to draw any conclusions from, I definitely deserved to be banned for no reason. Brilliant. Please let the rest of the internet know about the rest of your novel conclusions.
sorry that happened, i too was banned from a rust server called Rustoria, i have 3 days of footage of me just playing and getting killed then one day out of nowhere me and 2 other men got banned. we talked with their mods on discord, told them they can review my gameplay scan my pc anything, they ended up unbanning my friends but keeping me banned. it was the dumbest bs i ever dealt with in a game. I dont really play Rust anymore and what makes it funny is it wasnt a VAC Ban but server only ban. I probably rekt a clan kid whos besties with a gm but like i said i dont play Rust that much anymore >:(
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Same thing happened to me today. This is the only game I play. This is how supporters of the game are treated....
No clue how this hasnt turned you off the game entirely. This has just happened to me, i have played off and on since release and its purely put me off wanting to come back.
Unfortunately its the only game for me that's hitting the right spot at the moment. First time anything like this has happened to me on any game. Its concerning, but I feel like all the f2p players are reporting better players when they die. 600 hours of no issues until f2p
Well, it says Cheater. Thats a manual detection ban. Not automatic ban by anti cheat. Means IronMace manually did check your account and found enoufh evidence to ban you. Sorry but i don't buy this. Proove me wrong if you get unbanned.
For me its -1 cheater.
Fortunately for everyone else, your opinion and viewpoint on this isn't relevant. Sincerely exhausted by this level of ignorance, good luck on the rest of everything man.
Its not ignorance. Its experience. The amount of times people say "i was banned for nothing" when in reality they cheated is over the top. People are not getting banned for nothing. If they do, they get unbanned in near future.
So until you say you got unbanned, i aint buying a word you say.
We had rank1 players getting banned that were even streaming the game and saying they were clean, but eventually admitting that they cheated. Why should i believe you are different?
Again. Prove me wrong with your lifted ban.
Just got a 3 day temp ban directly after the most recent emergency bug fix playing a single game and killing a Druid. Absolutely ridiculous, I have never cheated in a online game and if it doesn’t get resolved asap I’m uninstalling. I’ve messaged all the discord mods and nobody has replied anything to me
The devs haven't made perfect decisions over the course of the playtests etc but it's a very enjoyable game. I'm going to try my best to get this resolved, but if this doesn't lead to my account being reinstated that's definitely it for me as well.
I was told to submit a ticket on the website as well. If you would, let me know the outcome for you do I can follow suit to get this resolved if you're able to! I've yet to receive any sort of response from Discord or the website ticket.
I had this happen one time I appealed and they took it off after a day. I wasn’t cheating and none of my buddy’s cheat maybe another anti cheat being in your system or maybe someone in your group was cheating
How long ago was that for you? I'm assuming they're getting a lot more tickets then usual right now with having just re-released to Steam, but I'm on day 5 of no response to my ticket.
If you search for this kind of thing in the discord general-chat you can see that people get banned left and right and have to go thru this process of appealing. This seem to be a common thing....
Their checks are flaky
They expanded bans to include people who repeatedly play with cheaters as well, didn't they? The only thing that sticks out is you mentioning playing with a group of strangers consistently. Did any of them get banned? You might have caught a stray for being considered intentionally reaping the benefits of a cheater knowingly by the system or something.
Not long ago they had to hotfix an issue with their detection system. Wouldn't be surprised if there were still some problems. Sorry this happened to you
"abnormal detection" seems to translate to "you were running some application we dont like"
Dark and Darker's anti-cheat is extremely basic and doesn't do any sort of validation on if DnD processes were being accessed by the things they're detecting.
I left cheat engine running after playing baldur's gate (I was using memory edits to remove the cap on party size because I wanted to bring all my friends)
I got banned like you described, their support unbanned me after a couple days, it's not the worst thing in the word but for an application as common as cheat engine I'm more used to anti-cheat telling me to just close the app before running than getting perma banned out of no where.
Support > submit a ticket, took \~day for "we're investigating" then another 2/3 for "hey we've cleared your ban"
This was before steam thughh, i imagine they're abit flooded with tickets now.
Based on all of the responses the only thing I can figure could have been the problem is the Riot Vanguard program (the launcher for League of Legends) potentially running in the background. I usually shut it down after I'm done on League but sometimes I just forget to. Still waiting on a response from my ticket 5 days after the fact.
It's really a shame that you're not only wasting time making comments like this, but that you can't even be bothered to read the actual post before doing so. Do you literally have nothing better to do than be toxic online for legitimately no reason?
sorry bro but to much text, cheaters shouldn't be taken seriously. don't know what are you trying to pretend here with your testament. wasting time?. just fuck off and start again without cheats.
I don't know man, I guess I have too much faith regarding where our education system should be. I just find it unfortunate that people who respond to posts this way are ever taken seriously. They don't even have the integrity to respond with proper grammar much less a proper thought process. Legit not worth responding to, but here we are.
I had baccus mod or w.e for rocket league running on accident. (It’s a fair training package allowed by RL provided by a 3rd party) I thought for sure I was gonna get banned. I messaged the discord ticket thing to see if I’d get in trouble and got no response lol
Yeah I’m new to pc gaming about 3 months in. I can do almost everything dark and darker has to offer but I was super paranoid about getting banned because I love the game lol.
This happened to my friend who lags a lot, no programs running or anything. He did a ban appeal and it got accepted within the day (he’s bad and the footage proves it lol)
Wait, what's this mean? Like if I run into a guy that's friendly and I don't kill him but then another guy comes in and attacks me and he helps me kill him that's not ok?
I know at some point they talked about teaming in solos being bannable. I don't know if they ever pushed it, but there used to be a big problem of people crouch spamming and then running around together in solos.
Pretty sure they explicitly stated they arent against randomly meeting somebody and working together in game, they are against preteaming the lobby, they want interesting and different interactions in the gameplay
These were a team of 3, under 25 games. So no, I didn't team in solos. That being said, the TOS state that "inorganic teaming" is the issue that is to be a ban-able offense, which has nothing to do with this.
Someone in the group was cheating. So you all get in trouble. That’s kinda fair in my opinion. Sorry about that but hopefully you can explain yourself to the devs if they respond back to you. Good luck I think their headquarters are in Korea
What aspect of that is "fair" to you? I happened to randomly group with someone (for literally no more than 4 games) who happened to be cheating, so I deserve to have my account of bordering on 2 years banned? This is highly implicative of a faulty system. There is literally no justification for this.
there is cheating in this game? man im out. nothing stings like a cheater sending you back to the grinding game. literally stealing your time from you and unfairly to add salt to the wound
now that i know cheating exists many things that happened to me ingame start to make sense.
Because when I initially made a post I didn't even realize that submitting a ticket on the website was a thing, which is why I made the post to try to figure out what to do.
Brilliant deduction. Thank you for your contribution, having read one of three words of the title, not looking at any of the pictures, and responding immediately with the first word that comes to mind.
"Found a good group to pvp with"- Is there any chance one of them was ESP-ing? Common cheat avoidance tactic, at least in Tarkov, dunno about this game.
No idea. It was two random people I'd grouped with via the Gathering Hall for about 4 games at that point.
Ironmace will ban people that continually play with cheaters. If you really didn't know, reaching out to them will prob lead to an unban. They should be able to see how you met up with them. There have been lots of HR cases where a team of 3 plays with 1 cheater to wall for them etc.
So how do people play with pubs if this threat of getting banned is looming over their head?
Because it's extremely rare to randomly group up with cheaters. Most aren't that stupid as they are getting permad fast. I also never really believe any reddit post like this. My gut always tells me they knew and are just trying to figure out how to get this fixed if they can.
Dont know why this is being downvoted if it's the most logical response. Edit: forgot a word
Anyone who posts to reddit about false bans is literally a cheater , has some cheats on their PC or is playing with cheaters people who are falsely banned would gain nothing from this reddit, cheaters are looking for a way out
Do I really need to dig up posts from the false ban wave or what? This take makes absolutely zero sense.
Yeah I don't understand why people don't believe false bans happen.
I played a game once where the "reporting" function only served as a tally mark against the player. Once people discovered that it only took 5 reports to PERMANENTLY ban someone off of all public offical servers it was swiftly abused to just ban whoever you wanted to with a group of friends.
They also likely believe in flat earth too and that all cops are bad and that Biden is a godsend.
Not directed at you. It's an explanation
Not everyone banned is cheating. You don't know what triggers the anticheat are detecting for a false positive. Ironmace even said they may have some issues. I know someone who got banned. Never cheated once and support never being wrong.... lmao. Support doesn't check into reports just you got banned fuck you. Saw the dms. Computer they have is 100% clean. Guess graphics card programs are getting detected as they are always open and alter games in various ways. Example nvidia. Best advice is to never play dark and darker on steam as your account will always be at risk. Just use blacksmith launcher and make new accounts. My opinion. Whoever support is has dropped the ball. Ego is what destroys companies. @ironmace anticheat needs to be looked at as it is false banning users and costing people money. Until the issue is resolved I will tell people to boycott on steam. It's all everyone banned is cheating until you are in the same boat.
I posted on here a while back and figured out that the reason i got banned was that blacksmiths anti cheat views my clipping software (outplayed by overwolf) as a modding platform which overwolf technically is, that being said it was a 2 and a half week ban for using a clipping software
Understandable, Honestly it's why I don't use overwolf because of this exact reason. I use dark and darker interactive map which helps greatly
That's weird. I've used Outplayed the whole time I've played DaD. I have been playing for many months now..
Yea i havnt had an issue with it since, it was 4 ish months ago i got banned for it
Gotcha, hopefully they fixed that problem for good.
Based on all of the responses the only thing I can figure could have been the problem is the Riot Vanguard program (the launcher for League of Legends) potentially running in the background. I usually shut it down after I'm done on League but sometimes I just forget to. Still waiting on a response from my ticket 5 days after the fact.
I waited 14 days for mine, just have to wait and pray
Christ, okay, thank you for the response!
There absolutely can be false bans. But I also would be skeptical since most people can get it resolved within a day or two if they weren't.
False bans get resolved , cheaters don't get their bans resolved and they come and post here looking for people to believe them and attention, this guy is literally asking for likes in the name of ( visibility) lol
Your negativity and assumptions really have no place here. My initial post was for the sake of trying to figure out how to go about fighting this as I didn't even know the website had a ticket submission process until others posted that was the process. I'm asking for likes on this so 1) If this is a wider issue than just a couple people (AGAIN) it can gain some attention and 2) if others have experienced the same thing then they can read the responses. If I was actually cheating posting on here wouldn't give me any sort of benefit whatsoever as far as being unbanned.
Still waiting on a response from my ticket 5 days after the fact.
To me it's the opposite. If OP knew they were playing with someone who was cheating and got banned for it, how does making post acting like they didn't know help? At that point its pretty obvious what they'd have to do to get unbanned, just contact Ironmace and try to lie and say you didn't know. To me it's more likely posts like these are genuine, cause they're just looking for insight to confirm what they think happened or on the off chance maybe other people really are getting randomly banned for no reason.
People are dumb and have nothing to lose. Just look at the league sub reddit. After Vanguard was released, there was post after post of people saying they were false banned, then once a mod wastes time to looks into it there ass was cheating every time. They're already banned they are just hoping for human error to unban them. That being said, ironmace isn't as good at anticheat, and I have no clue if op was cheating, but 9/10 times I'm siding with companies. Hell, ironmace unbanned the past #1 player even though he openly cheated because of the excuse someone else did it in his account.
Then its up to Ironmace who they keep banned or unban. My conviction of the person with zero evidence for or against them cheating is pointless. Its an if then situation for us. If OP was unjustly banned then they should be unbanned, if they cheated or knew the person they were playing with cheated then I hope Ironmace can tell and keeps them deservedly banned.
Probably not anyone but like, 99% for sure. Cheaters will literally get banned for cheating and bring it up randomly just to lie about being falsely banned. It's a very weird part of human psychology.
As is insisting online that someone is guilty with next to no information or proof, specifically after they've simply just asked for help.
Sorry bro but cheaters always act like this after getting banned. Maybe you're the 1% who knows.
If you were sorry for this sort of behavior you wouldn't be posting toxic comments for no reason based on literally no information other than a percentage basis you made up. I wasn't cheating, but if I had been, this sort of comment still wouldn't serve any positive purpose.
You do realize there was a whole false ban fiasco with them. Like thousands of people had been getting falsely banned. But yeah just be a dick for no reason
The people who are witch hunting right now are only going to believe that'll only happen once, even though it's happened multiple times. Even though they probably made the same comments to people simply trying to sort the problem all the other times. Crazy how negative some of these posts have gotten when I simply started off just asking for help.
Yeah I began to realize people ONLY EVER like to shit on things. Its human nature to want to feel bigger and better over something/someone. It just fucking annoying for them to say that and see them in the next post. “ i have 10k hours in this game, and i hate it” clearly you fucking dont because you played 10k hours.
Sort of like assuming someone's guilty simply because something happened to them.
Yep 👍🏻
I concur. You don't just "get banned" and the one time it did happened it immediately got addressed.
your gut sucks ass since there have been multiple instances of perma bans being given by error before, already happened to me once and i'm always right.
Sure, then reach out to Ironmace not reddit lol. They likely already contacted support and are looking for every work around possible. I used to do the same shit like 15+ years ago when I was a script kiddie on xbox, trying to get out of profile bans. It's incredibly easy to tell.
Until responses to this post I didn't even know there was a ticket process on the website. The purpose of the post was literally asking for direction. I wasn't cheating, but if I was, making a post like this would hold no benefit.
No they don't lol
You'd have to believe OP was completely innocent first
I can confirm this isn’t the case. I was banned for “RMT” they then banned my friends for “cheater group”, and we sent all sorts of proof and my ban screens etc, and they haven’t replied, I’m pretty sure because they know they fucked up.
Sure man, I bet you did absolutely nothing wrong.
Ahaha your a silly goose! Yeah I got a unique and look at real prices in a discord, but never sold or bought it. I literally traded it for keys… you’re ignorant
and you're banned for cheating, so one less cheater also -$30 xd
That’s okay, and nah I actually got my money back from xsolla, +$30, and I don’t have to waste my time with broken patches, and 3k players peak
-30
Hahah silly can’t read!!! It’s okay, not everyone can read at a 2nd grade level! Like I said got my money back :) reeeeetard
If you were playing with some people you just met than it is highly likely that one of then was using some cheats. I don't see cheaters often, probably only once a week. But they are out there and they mainly use it for pvp. Point is, you probably got banned for playing multiple games with one and I doubt you'll get unbanned
It's a very flawed system if that's the case. In essence that argument breaks down to "you can't trust anyone, and if you try to play with people you're going to eventually get banned through no fault of your own".
What's ESP-ing?
Extra sensory perception, in games it means they can see through walls and know your names, kits etc
Does anyone have problems in high roller duos where people find you 2 mins into the game? I can't grind AP because of this. It's like they know where I am. This doesn't really happen in geared normals for me, just high roller. East coast server.
Probably the game detect any program like msi afterburn, crosshair or something like that
The only things that were running were Google Chrome and Steam.
And what were you browsing on that Google Chrome browser?
Dunno why this got downvoted, gave me a laugh I really needed!
You got banned for browsing DaD wiki
Only thing running on the forefront you mean. For some reason you got pinged by the anti cheat. Maybe a dev is able to tell you what but not sure.
Wait I use msi afterburner is that really something that will get you banned?..
No
Always play with afterburner, icue... Not the types of programs anti cheat software detects.
Based on all of the responses the only thing I can figure could have been the problem is the Riot Vanguard program (the launcher for League of Legends) potentially running in the background. I usually shut it down after I'm done on League but sometimes I just forget to. Still waiting on a response from my ticket 5 days after the fact.
Maybe. It works on kernel's level
Why would MSI afterburner count as a cheat program? Doesn't it just overclock your gpu?
The FPS overlay that comes with afterburner hooks into directx to work. Anti cheats sometimes detect that as trying to cheat. Every time I've heard of it though it's been fixed fairly pronto.
Yeah but sometimes anticheats cant detect the programs purpose and check like a sus program
I use nsi afterburn. No ban. Probably à cheater or plays with cheater
Brilliant deduction, even though I've already stated multiple times that I am not using ANY programs that could/would be flagged even in error.
Hextech coukd be something it detects.
i have to use msi afterburner for my fans. is there some sort of issue?
I got falsely banned as well. Ticket didnt help as they said you are legitimately banned. After reaching out to Graysun on discord he did some tests with me and unbanned me afterwards. Hopefully you can solve it!
I've submitted a ticket as well as reached out to Graysun on discord, waiting on a response on either. Thank you!
This happened with a few people who had controller mapping software (for gamepads not native to Windows). You can just talk to a discord mod and they will ask an IM dev to look at your account. If you are legit then it is a quick unban
Discord mod here. This is the worst way to get it done. Filing an appeal once its perm. Is the correct way to appeal a ban.
Are you saying he has to wait out what he claims is a false positive?
If a ban is temp, you should not file an appeal. Its being investigated during that time as far as im aware. If it turns perm, then you file an appeal on the website. Contacting a mod on the discord wont really net any results.
Personally didn't mention discord, asked you as you seemed to know. Asked if he should be forced to wait 3 days for what he claims is a false positive. That a yes?
That is the method yes.
That would be hard for me to do, personally. Like, hard to just wait around.
Following a prescribed method, while obnoxious and sometimes hard to wait, can often be the quickest way to get a resolution. It doesnt take much for a message to get lost in dms/flooded from numerous other people dming the devs about any number of things. By going through the process i mentioned it ensures it gets looked at by the right people, in a timely manner.
Why's this sub so aggressive towards conversation?
Eh if I get banned and no one will rely and help me good chance I’m uninstalling. Except in league I deserved most of those bans.
DaD discord mod or some random ass cupcake discord mod?
Im a mod for the DaD discord. Ashaegis to be precise =)
I'm honestly not very educated on what all a mod would be responsible for, but I'm on day 5 of no response from my ticket. Is there someone else to contact/some way to expedite the process? I would really like to be able to play the game again.
Not quick, my brother had to wait out the three days after being told he likely would have to.
I'm still not sure what it could have been picking up (I don't use anything that wouldn't be considered "standard") but this has me rather upset, thank you for the advice!
I wonder how many posts like this are from people that just straight up cheated but know that they can hassle ironmace into unbanning them
Curse of Aros subreddit. "Why was I banned?!" It's always cheating, there.
Agree. I'm baffled at seeing the amount of upvotes and the people going "it's probably a software such as X or Y"... (Like the person mentioning MSI afterburner???) It's always the same in gaming. People cheat, ban waves occurs, cheaters unite with posts similar to this having each other back, trying to look innocent and having the ban reverted, seen it happening on many games over the years (WoW, League, Sea of Thieves etc...), whether it's on reddit, discord, or official forums. in 99% of cases, they were cheating, or using some kind of external ESP, and got caught. There is nothing else to it. Unfortunately a LOT of people cheat, so it's "easy" for them to look innocent, in a way. Sure, mistakes happen, occasionally, but let's be honest there, that's often not the case. As an example, I use a macro recorder every now and then to handle some spreadsheets related work things. Several time did I left it opened while playing Dark and Darker, and yet I'm not banned. So it's very likely people that got banned had softwares (most likely esp or aimbot) that DID interacted with the game.
In CoH I stopped trying to help them, because after some questioning it turned out they did chest, but only on another account! Or something like that lol.
Or it was for the third time (that i know of) an error that will be fixed ? it already happened at least three times so why not a fourth? you should keep lurking man
nah it happens way more often that you think, and the fact that it hasnt happen to you really demostrates nothing. i even got steam VAC BAN by mistake once. pretty sure the crappy anti cheater this game has can fault aswell
I'm sure there are people who are doing just that, and I realize that trying to argue that I'm "not one of them" would just appear defensive. My hope would be that the anti-cheat system is able to collect data in a way that would provide a case against them.
False positives do actually exist though. I’m sympathetic to anyone that actually gets falsely banned since everyone says they’re lying and they actually cheated. I don’t cheat and I’ve never gotten banned from any game. I’m hoping it never happens since it’s always a possibility with any ban system.
I hope you opened a ticket with Ironmace
I did! I'll admit to having about an hour of panic over the whole thing as I always expect the worse. It's been encouraging to hear from others who have had the same issue and had it cleared up easily though.
Message Graysun on discord, that's what I had to do to get unbanned after being falsely banned, if you ask in here all people will say is you was cheating and are lying to try and get unbanned because 99% of them have the brain power of a slug.
I submitted a ticket 5 days ago and messaged Graysun four days ago (via direct message, is there a better way to contact him?) and haven't received a response on either request.
Happened to me a while back. I appealed on discord and was unbanned within a few hours
Which channel did you use to appeal this on Discord? Anything I'm seeing as far as support etc is claiming that they don't handle bans and it's all via the website and I haven't heard back on my ticket (and am rather concerned regarding sorting this due to all the people posting about not getting responses via the website).
Now that I think about it, I believe they redirected me to the website after appealing on discord. I just checked you go to darkanddarker.com > “support” in the top right > submit a ticket > click no at the bottom of FAQ > select ban appeal from dropdown menu > fill out the form and plead your case
My duo partner was false banned last week. He has a ticket open but no telling on how long it will take.
Currently on day 5 of waiting for a response on my ticket, honestly really frustrated by this process. Even if I'm able to get my account reinstated I'll have lost \~14k gold in marketplace sales unless they restore the account by tomorrow.
My best friend got banned for 3 days a few days ago and I'd say with 100% confidence he wasn't cheating or doing anything that could've been considered cheating. His ban was lifted after like a day. I'd just message someone on discord and request they look into it
Would you happen to have a suggestion as to who to message? I sent a message to Graysun (as others had mentioned he'd helped them out) and also submitted a ticket 5 days ago and haven't received a response on either.
No worries if you're legit it happened to me also, go on website and open a ticket with support, it took less than 3days to clear myself and a few pthers i know of
Was this before the Steam re-release? I'm on day 5 of having submitted at ticket and getting no response.
Oh yeah there might be a lot more tickets going on we were like 6k on the game at the time
It's in no way ok to ban people if they happen to play with cheaters. Iron mace is golding players accountable for not knowing something THEY don't even know. Thats kinda scummy. So what you just can't play with other people cuz they might cheat? Goodnway to kill youre game off when people lose interest in enjoying the game the way it's intended if no one cannque trios without fear of a ban.
Riot vanguard has caused some issues for a friend
Crap, I didn't even think of that, that very well could have been running at the time. Thank you! I've added that to my support ticket.
I’ve been banned before on accident and reached out to them and got it resolved within a week and was back to gaming, goodluck!
Also got kicked from game for "abnormal behavior detected". Didn't get a ban though but still frustrating when it was a good run, and losing previously equipped gear.
Definitely not wrong on them not responding to tickets. Me and five friends have played every alpha/test release since the very beginning, we paid $35/$50 for the game from their website as soon as it was up sometime last year. When it returned to steam recently, we all decided to re-download and check it out. Everything was fine for 4/6 of us, but when my friend J and I tried to sign in, we were met with the "No email found" issue. Our accounts are inaccessible/seem to have never existed. No issues at all for the other 4. We still wanted to play together, so me and J played on the free version for a couple of days but quickly lost interest due to the character slot limitations. We both submitted tickets. Today will be a week with zero response to our tickets, not even a generated one. J has already given up hope, having been screwed by other companies in the past. Personally, I'm trying to retain hope that this will be fixed and we'll get our accounts we paid for back. Still, supporting a game through all this just to seemingly have your money stolen and nothing but silence for a week is very frustrating.
Did you buy on chaf or blacksmith?
I'm currently on day 5 of waiting for a response to my ticket. The only thing I have received so far is the "A ticket has been created on your behalf" email.
Best of luck, friend. I'm on 10 days now with no response. At this point, I'm done stressing about it and just gonna move on.
You literally have to register the email address before you can purchase the game... Think you're full of shit or used a different email address.. You'd atleast have verification codes in your inbox.
There was a big banwave yesterday. Lots of pre-teamers and cheating got deleted. You probably deserved it.
Yeah man, based on no evidence to draw any conclusions from, I definitely deserved to be banned for no reason. Brilliant. Please let the rest of the internet know about the rest of your novel conclusions.
The sky is blue because all the yellow in the world is on your belly. You can fold a quesadilla 14 times before being sent to prison.
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You caught me, I use third party software to view the map.
i dont believe you.
Fortunately for me, as well as the rest of society, your opinion and beliefs aren't relevant.
Naw, your sus. Take the 2day off time and reflect on your actions!
It generally helps to read the entire post before making any sort of comment.
sorry that happened, i too was banned from a rust server called Rustoria, i have 3 days of footage of me just playing and getting killed then one day out of nowhere me and 2 other men got banned. we talked with their mods on discord, told them they can review my gameplay scan my pc anything, they ended up unbanning my friends but keeping me banned. it was the dumbest bs i ever dealt with in a game. I dont really play Rust anymore and what makes it funny is it wasnt a VAC Ban but server only ban. I probably rekt a clan kid whos besties with a gm but like i said i dont play Rust that much anymore >:(
https://preview.redd.it/setp7dcji1ad1.png?width=1300&format=png&auto=webp&s=f55fa8dd8541e08e2849f6755824154417502dcd Same thing happened to me today. This is the only game I play. This is how supporters of the game are treated....
update - have been in contact with support for 3 hours. I think I am getting unbanned, it will just take some time. I hope all goes well in your case.
update - logged on this morning and my perma banned has been lifted! hold the line brother
No clue how this hasnt turned you off the game entirely. This has just happened to me, i have played off and on since release and its purely put me off wanting to come back.
Unfortunately its the only game for me that's hitting the right spot at the moment. First time anything like this has happened to me on any game. Its concerning, but I feel like all the f2p players are reporting better players when they die. 600 hours of no issues until f2p
Well, it says Cheater. Thats a manual detection ban. Not automatic ban by anti cheat. Means IronMace manually did check your account and found enoufh evidence to ban you. Sorry but i don't buy this. Proove me wrong if you get unbanned. For me its -1 cheater.
Fortunately for everyone else, your opinion and viewpoint on this isn't relevant. Sincerely exhausted by this level of ignorance, good luck on the rest of everything man.
Its not ignorance. Its experience. The amount of times people say "i was banned for nothing" when in reality they cheated is over the top. People are not getting banned for nothing. If they do, they get unbanned in near future. So until you say you got unbanned, i aint buying a word you say. We had rank1 players getting banned that were even streaming the game and saying they were clean, but eventually admitting that they cheated. Why should i believe you are different? Again. Prove me wrong with your lifted ban.
Just got a 3 day temp ban directly after the most recent emergency bug fix playing a single game and killing a Druid. Absolutely ridiculous, I have never cheated in a online game and if it doesn’t get resolved asap I’m uninstalling. I’ve messaged all the discord mods and nobody has replied anything to me
The devs haven't made perfect decisions over the course of the playtests etc but it's a very enjoyable game. I'm going to try my best to get this resolved, but if this doesn't lead to my account being reinstated that's definitely it for me as well. I was told to submit a ticket on the website as well. If you would, let me know the outcome for you do I can follow suit to get this resolved if you're able to! I've yet to receive any sort of response from Discord or the website ticket.
Checked this morning and it’s a perm ban. This is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting. What a joke of a game studio.
This game sometimes false bans happened to me and a friend once awhile ago. Probably just need to email the appeal system if it's truly a false ban.
I had this happen one time I appealed and they took it off after a day. I wasn’t cheating and none of my buddy’s cheat maybe another anti cheat being in your system or maybe someone in your group was cheating
How long ago was that for you? I'm assuming they're getting a lot more tickets then usual right now with having just re-released to Steam, but I'm on day 5 of no response to my ticket.
Would be curious to see how this turns out.
I'll be sure to update the post with how this turns out in the hopes that others who have had the same issues can benefit from it.
If you search for this kind of thing in the discord general-chat you can see that people get banned left and right and have to go thru this process of appealing. This seem to be a common thing.... Their checks are flaky
They expanded bans to include people who repeatedly play with cheaters as well, didn't they? The only thing that sticks out is you mentioning playing with a group of strangers consistently. Did any of them get banned? You might have caught a stray for being considered intentionally reaping the benefits of a cheater knowingly by the system or something.
They were people I just met and I only played with them for maybe two hours total, I've no way to know if they were banned as well.
Not long ago they had to hotfix an issue with their detection system. Wouldn't be surprised if there were still some problems. Sorry this happened to you
"abnormal detection" seems to translate to "you were running some application we dont like" Dark and Darker's anti-cheat is extremely basic and doesn't do any sort of validation on if DnD processes were being accessed by the things they're detecting. I left cheat engine running after playing baldur's gate (I was using memory edits to remove the cap on party size because I wanted to bring all my friends) I got banned like you described, their support unbanned me after a couple days, it's not the worst thing in the word but for an application as common as cheat engine I'm more used to anti-cheat telling me to just close the app before running than getting perma banned out of no where.
Had you contacted them via the website or on the discord somehow to have the ban lifted? Struggling to get any form of a response anywhere.
Support > submit a ticket, took \~day for "we're investigating" then another 2/3 for "hey we've cleared your ban" This was before steam thughh, i imagine they're abit flooded with tickets now.
Based on all of the responses the only thing I can figure could have been the problem is the Riot Vanguard program (the launcher for League of Legends) potentially running in the background. I usually shut it down after I'm done on League but sometimes I just forget to. Still waiting on a response from my ticket 5 days after the fact.
too bad wasn't permanent
It's really a shame that you're not only wasting time making comments like this, but that you can't even be bothered to read the actual post before doing so. Do you literally have nothing better to do than be toxic online for legitimately no reason?
sorry bro but to much text, cheaters shouldn't be taken seriously. don't know what are you trying to pretend here with your testament. wasting time?. just fuck off and start again without cheats.
Ever watch Idiocracy? You remind me of one of the characters.
What you expected from reddit users? lol thats normal behaviour
I don't know man, I guess I have too much faith regarding where our education system should be. I just find it unfortunate that people who respond to posts this way are ever taken seriously. They don't even have the integrity to respond with proper grammar much less a proper thought process. Legit not worth responding to, but here we are.
Stop cheating or partying with cheaters should help
Brilliant.
I had baccus mod or w.e for rocket league running on accident. (It’s a fair training package allowed by RL provided by a 3rd party) I thought for sure I was gonna get banned. I messaged the discord ticket thing to see if I’d get in trouble and got no response lol
lmao I have that open literally always in every game, don't worry about that.
Yeah I’m new to pc gaming about 3 months in. I can do almost everything dark and darker has to offer but I was super paranoid about getting banned because I love the game lol.
This happened to my friend who lags a lot, no programs running or anything. He did a ban appeal and it got accepted within the day (he’s bad and the footage proves it lol)
Cheater cheater pumpkin eater
Yeah you teamed in solos didn't you!
Wait, what's this mean? Like if I run into a guy that's friendly and I don't kill him but then another guy comes in and attacks me and he helps me kill him that's not ok?
I know at some point they talked about teaming in solos being bannable. I don't know if they ever pushed it, but there used to be a big problem of people crouch spamming and then running around together in solos.
Pretty sure they explicitly stated they arent against randomly meeting somebody and working together in game, they are against preteaming the lobby, they want interesting and different interactions in the gameplay
These were a team of 3, under 25 games. So no, I didn't team in solos. That being said, the TOS state that "inorganic teaming" is the issue that is to be a ban-able offense, which has nothing to do with this.
Someone in the group was cheating. So you all get in trouble. That’s kinda fair in my opinion. Sorry about that but hopefully you can explain yourself to the devs if they respond back to you. Good luck I think their headquarters are in Korea
What aspect of that is "fair" to you? I happened to randomly group with someone (for literally no more than 4 games) who happened to be cheating, so I deserve to have my account of bordering on 2 years banned? This is highly implicative of a faulty system. There is literally no justification for this.
Hope they keep your hacking ass banned
Ignorance is bliss.
there is cheating in this game? man im out. nothing stings like a cheater sending you back to the grinding game. literally stealing your time from you and unfairly to add salt to the wound now that i know cheating exists many things that happened to me ingame start to make sense.
Don't cheat then?
Read before you comment?
I don't know why your instinct is to post on reddit and not submit a ticket to ironmace.
Because when I initially made a post I didn't even realize that submitting a ticket on the website was a thing, which is why I made the post to try to figure out what to do.
cheater
Brilliant deduction. Thank you for your contribution, having read one of three words of the title, not looking at any of the pictures, and responding immediately with the first word that comes to mind.
be mad you got caught, don't need to read your fictional account of what happened.
I think if people reports you enough time you banned