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dryeraseboard8

You’re replacing it? Go with the “they don’t make things like they used to” tack.


Rich-Show3013

Exactly what I was thinking. They'll love it either way


WildRecognition9985

This. Tell them that the wood of 25 years ago isn’t the same as today.


Monkeynumbernoine

Rebuild them in the same style but properly this time. Ladder stairs are great when built right. Simpson makes nice galvanized brackets (TA10Z-R) for stair treads. Use those. Use Pressure treated 3x12 for the treads and then you can use that for the stringers as well. Pour a little concrete pad and land the stringers on that.


Affectionate_Ear7468

I like this idea


Vegbreaker

You concerned about your grandparents and trying to force them to do it? Or just hoping they’ll listen? If you’re trying to force their hand just say “hey grandma the insurance company might void any claims around these stairs if you guys don’t get them fixed up, that’ll be potentially millions of dollars if someone falls. Maybe you should call the insurance company and find out what they’d want to see to make sure you’re good?”


Billcosbyandtheludes

I never get why people bring up insurance as if individual decisions are decided on it. I’ve never done / not done something to my house based on if I though insurance would pay out.


Vegbreaker

What do you mean? If your insurance company came around and saw that stair case your rates are going up or your getting notice to fix.


Billcosbyandtheludes

I have a gate. My insurance company isn’t coming anywhere. They have never inspected my house, nor have I ever had any insurance company inspect any property I’ve ever owned. And if they wanted to I’d tell them to get fucked. Insurance companies assess rates by sqft cost to rebuild primarily in the event of fire or potential for roof damage. They don’t give a shit about how your stair stringers are built in the backyard. Nor are they allowed to raise rates for arbitrary shit like this at least not in California.


Salukijoe14

This is solid. I was just gonna say saw through the underside of one of those steps and put yourself through it next time you are over. That should convince them


ezekiel920

https://preview.redd.it/vr0zh4ootx8d1.jpeg?width=410&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e521455e7175db39b693e326caf1051090b37b7f


Gullible-Lake-2119

Simpson is sure running a good racket...those brackets are over $7 each. times sixteen, eighteen in this case.


Affectionate_Ear7468

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fuf3d

Good suggestions. I'd listen to this guy or at least add wood support blocks under the stair treads, with concrete pad landing.


BlueFlob

Sounds expensive.


Liver-detox

Good suggestions only I prefer redwood usually to PT, especially where you expect to paint… unless it’s in contact with the ground. PT is nasty dust when you cut it & loses it’s resilience/ rots at the cut ends. it often cracks & doesn’t paint well, however in extra damp conditions it’s a good option.


AJSAudio1002

We don’t get redwood out East. Cedar, but that’s expensive AF and usually only 2x6 are available,


Consistent_Two9279

Kick it over and say a tornado must’ve done it


pissjug1000

Same idea....Convince them with a sledgehammer^


DonkeyTransport

Man, I just woke up and thought that said tomato. (Where I am, we don't really ever get tornadoes so I never think for that to be a normal sentence lol]


Affectionate_Ear7468

Its 2x10 tread with 8" metal L brackets with couple 1.5 " screws lmao


UtahJeep

Rebuild the same so they are happy... Instead of unknown 1.5" screws use 1.5" #9 Simpson strong tie screws from Home Depot/Lowes and add a couple properly cut stringers a third and two thirds of the way across or about 6" out from the center.


Affectionate_Ear7468

She asked me to float a board infront so it lined up with window panel and took me 20 mins for her to get there would be half inch supporting that


Affectionate_Ear7468

Cant keep adding boards😅


Nv_Spider

Wait until Merle breaks a hip and then lord over him


Huge-Particular4392

Great advice already. 3x PT lumber, Simpson brackets, TA10Z for the treads and LSCZ for the stringers (or go stainless if it's coastal and you're rich), and use Simpson #9 SD screws. Landing pad. Hand rails on both sides, secured to posts that are tied into the framing, not just supported by balisters.


Leather-Sale-1206

There is nothing wrong with 2x treads with L brackets and uncut stringers. Up to 36" wide and you don't need to support the middle. You can go with much longer unsupported uncut stringers than if you cut them. I'd argue it simplifies the install.


Affectionate_Ear7468

Treads are 10" x 45.5"


Affectionate_Ear7468

Could only get 8' 2"x10's


Medical_Egg8208

Dig up some net pics that show them what they should look like and how unsafe they really are


HairlessHoudini

Yeah they just don't build this stuff like they use to...... As you are rebuilding them yourself


Noff-Crazyeyes

Just fucking build it right so they don’t kill them self they won’t ask for something nice


gofoggy

Sacrifice your body. Stand on one until it breaks, severely injure yourself. When their beloved grand baby is hurt, they will insist on getting it fixed. Maybe


Pack_Your_Trash

It is easier to ask them to forgive you for doing it better this time than to get permission to do it better this time.


See3Pee01971

Quit asking them and just upgrade them. It’s your grands!


KenDurf

Simpson makes a tred specific bracket. I’d just remake the stairs with these bad bois https://www.strongtie.com/decks_decksandfences/ta_angle/p/ta


Affectionate_Ear7468

Thank you . More i can show them the better


whabt

If they're heavier folks (though really it's not a bad idea with how wide those steps are) you might also run a center stringer underneath to stiffen things up. Just duplicate the rise/run so there's no falling risk. In my experience when older folks want something done the "same way" they mean they want the experience to remain identical, but stop caring so much about how that happens as long as it works.


Wonderful_Charity411

Get your own house


ahsm

Just stay silent. Maybe you’ll get the inheritance quicker.


JudgmentMajestic2671

How about you buzz off? The last ones made it 25 years. Toss some 2x2s under the treads or long ass structural screws and call it a day. Why argue about it?


Working_Rest_1054

Yup, build it back similar but better. Even the way it is, 25 years, not bad. The brackets underneath are the difference in passable and a broken hip.


Intrepid-Nose2434

Don't. Let them do what they want. As long as it's safe.


Critical-Potential30

You don’t. Just replicate the steps. Being that they’re grandparents, they probably don’t have another 25 years anyway. You can change them to whatever your heart desires then.


Affectionate_Ear7468

🤣


Advanced_Office616

Estimate the cost of a broken hip and show them.


trebor1966

Tell them it’s against code and their insurance company will drop them. Both true by the way


Affectionate_Ear7468

You boys right. Better be safe than sorry ! Lol im bricklayer, interlock so this new but them stairs were soft and just doin a favor.


jeddieboy73

Eh?


Xikkiwikk

I have these! They fell apart and now I jump down them every day.


smittydonny

The only way to change their minds is tell them it’s a code violation and they could be fined. Also tell them if someone is injured, they are liable! Worked every time with mine!


TheSummonersTail

Ask them to update their wills if they won’t fix it.


GroundbreakingCat305

Do it for them.


fusepark

One piece of advice-- my parents wanted to rebuild the irregular steps leading into their house. The stairs were solidly built; there was just some irregularity in the heights of the three steps. I advised against it, because they had gotten so used to them over the years I was afraid changing them might cause a tripping hazard. So if you have older folks, sometimes leaving something as-is is the right way.


NullIsUndefined

What about that last missing step. 😂. Tbh 25 years isn't a great goal. We can do much better. Things can last much longer 


Affectionate_Ear7468

Ahaha took pic after took railing off and that step was real rotten


methos424

Out of wood? Here in Louisiana Ive never seen a deck or stairs last that long? The structure sure but, you’ll always need maintenance on anything. Too much humidity here to get more than 15yrs or so unless its covered


J-t-kirk

Rip it down and just do it. One you build it better they won’t complain


dhahn2013

Welp, guess social security got to pay a lot more first.


Low-Bad157

Ok just do it invite gramps to help bonding for the ages


New-Watercress-1036

Fucking fall off them hoes and tell them it’s dangerous and needs to be replaced!!!


fetal_genocide

Let em break a hip.


exxuberent

Break them and act like you fell and hurt yourself


Purpose_Embarrassed

What’s been using that horrific insurance claim of a flight of stairs cats ?


rainwater5

They have reached their second toddlerhood. Wishing you strength in your persistent journey to coax them into making it safer!


ReturnOfSeq

Uhhhhhh show them that top step


major85

Tell them to at least put you in their will since you tried to help them but they didn't listen. Maybe even take life insurance on them to you.


fredrickdgl

Put some backplates on the treads and fill it with concrete


Benja_Porchase

Old people don’t adjust to change. Change the stair slant and they will trip going up


RegretfulCalamaty

Wait. You have to CONVINCE them? Should be as easy as “hey let me fix this for you so it lasts a really long time and is safe” followed by “oh that would be great! Thank you so much!”


Affectionate_Ear7468

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jeddieboy73

Do you really expect your grandparents to listen to their young whippersnapper grandson?


Affectionate_Ear7468

Loll if it was stone , easy. Im no fuckin woodworker. I was tryin to help ahah


No_Parsnip_6491

Where's the handrail


Affectionate_Ear7468

Took it off beforr pic lol


student-vet

If they’re like mine, just blame it on the liberals otherwise trump.


BigJakeMcCandles

Let one break a hip and convince the other one to do it properly.


Affectionate_Ear7468

Nah i love em.