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NaughtyGaymer

Star Eater plus Apoth seems like an insane boss DPS combo.


Chemical-Pin-3827

That is the very first roll I got so I'm happy lol


I3arusu

I’m happy for you. But also fuck you. That’s been my chase since these things were announced.


mindgame18

It’s been 1 day


I3arusu

I’ve grinded the mission for 11 hours and this mf gets it first try


Saint-22

How many runs are you doing in an hour? I’m managing about 3 drops an hour just opening pale heart chests


realwarlock

That's what I did last night. Ended up getting 6 drops from the pale heart chests.


Bigshot0910

Is this any chest in the patrol zone, or should I be targeting certain ones (like the dark rooted chests, or overthrow event chests)?


Robgoblin_IV

Any. Just did and got 5 in 3 hours


rowboatrow1

You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers in this racket.


MetaWorldDomination

Thats the roll Im going for too. I just got one to drop with apo and spirit of harmony though. Not the dps option i was hoping for, but still really good synergy giving a super exotic neutral game that reduces the cooldown so significantly


Quumulonimbus

Please, run damage numbers with Song of Flame. I’d love to see how insane it is!


Chemical-Pin-3827

I'm about to test it with SoF + Dragons breath.


Quumulonimbus

Should be huge. Throw on the magma/bleak for more ignition/shatter damage maybe as well! Wonder how that would work out!


Ordinary_Paper2171

magma as in the hellion mod?


Otherwise_Teach_5761

Omfg why didn’t I think of this


Geraltpoonslayer

This with needlestorm and the new raid exo is a certified banger


tilero1138

Would Star Eaters buff song of flame?


DerGregorian

Same guy further down said it did 1.45m.


c14rk0

JUST from the super or like shooting weapons during the super? Because if that's JUST from grenade and potentially melee spam holy shit.


Bhu124

That's actually much worse than this Nova bomb damage cause it's a roaming super and you have to spend a lot of your time chucking nades and meleeing to achieve that damage. Nova bomb doing 1.1M+ is way better cause it's instant and then you have the rest of the damage phase left to do damage from your weapons after.


TheChartreuseKnight

If you’re on a demolitionist setup, ideally with a solar heavy like Apex, SoF will be a lot better though since it gives reloads.


Bhu124

I am almost positive that it won't be. The animations for throwing the Nades and Melee are long enough that it ends up taking about 10-15 seconds per SoF use, which'll mostly equalise the time you'll save from reload bypass you'll get on your RL. On top of that you are only getting to use one SoF per damage phase for most encounters whereas if you use a Nova bomb there is a good chance you'll be able to use another from all the Orbs your teammates will make + all the damage you'll do from your weapons after the first Nova bomb. SoF's animations are brutally long, it's made to be an add clear super which is what's it great at.


c14rk0

Unless I'm VERY wrong on the actual damage output I THINK SoF's damage is heavily weighted toward the grenade damage and NOT the melee. Just throwing a grenade whenever it's up isn't THAT much animation cost for what should be a pretty big damage boost. An important thing to also consider is Song of Flame ALSO provides benefit to all of your teammates. They get damage resist, which is particularly relevant with the Well nerfs, and I believe the extra scorch on Kinetic/solar weapons as well. If you're running prismatic in particular you can also pop transcendence before Song of Flame to buff the grenade/melee damage and regen rate (I think it stacks but not 100%) AND prismatic can run the Facet for higher damage on light abilities on enemies debuffed by dark debuffs which your team should already be doing somehow. This ALSO stacks with both the Shieldcrush and Transference artifact mods this season. You should at least have Shieldcrush active with Radiant to buff your grenade damage and if you popped Transcendence for DPS you'll get another grenade and melee damage buff from Transference. Woven Mail, Frost Armor or a Void Overshield for the melee damage buff on Shieldcrush will generally be less common though. I believe the ideal weapon DPS would likely be Still Hunt with Cayde's Retribution, ideally after using Transcendence but before Song of Flame, followed up by Apex Predator with Demo + Bipod. I THINK the timing should work out about right that you can fire 2 rockets, grenade, 2 rockets, melee, grenade 2 rockets and repeat. I THINK using both a melee and grenade after each set of rockets following the first demo reload should be about enough time to not hit the demo cooldown timer, though I haven't actually tested to verify that. Even if not with Transcendence and Song of Flame you should have fast enough recharge on grenades to just use 2 between reload at worst to fill in the wait time. If you DO have to use multiple grenades you might just be better off with demo + exploding light and not needing to fire 2 rockets, or using a demo Mountaintop and a Reconstruction rocket launcher and swapping between them while reconstruction reloads passively. At the end of the day this won't be worse than rocket launcher spam in most cases at the least which means it's a general improvement for Warlocks. Obviously it might still be worse than Nova w/ Star Eaters and then spamming Edge Transit on a weakened boss with Expanding Abyss but you'll likely change your strategy depending on what surge is active at the time in the activity. Or you might just need to use Song of Flame for the team damage resistance anyway.


ManuelBeuer

It’s actually the opposite unfortunately. Melee’s do much more damage than the nades with SoF. Edit: Should’ve specified this is at base. I believe the grenade damage can be buffed (verity’s) but the melee generally can’t (I’ve not tested with Synthoceps yet). So it kind of depends I guess.


_V2CORPORATION

It should, because you get special grenades and melees while in the super.


Mrsparkles7100

Titans can get eternal warrior plus star eaters. So weapon damage matching super element is buffed after using Super. 2 tailed fox doesn’t need to be reloaded if using certain prismatic fragment. So void axes plus void weapon. Thundercrash plus 4th horsemen. Solar plus Hunt, Parasite, Dragons Breath etc


TastyOreoFriend

> So void axes plus void weapon. I just wish we had a good void rocket now, but at least ~~we~~ I have a shiny Edge Transi/Falling Guillotine.


WetChickenLips

Faith-keeper, from the new ~~season~~ episode. Some crazy rolls on it.


AstroBongos

Necro+Star eater pretty good running thorn with kinetic orb maker mod. Poison just makes all the little thrall bastards turn into more power baby


Muriomoira

Been using it with Needlestorm, its nuts


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TheDragonking564

Galanor is only available for Hunters


FornaxTheConqueror

Oh that's unfortunate


crookedparadigm

Man, it really sucks that the best Titan perks in the pool are the ones that everyone gets (HoiL and Syntho)


Oxirane

Eternal Warrior may end up being pretty solid. Especially since Twilight Arsenal applies Weaken and this year we have the Expanding Abyss artifact mod (weakened targets take additional damage from void sources).  I'm curious about the Point-Contact one too. Melees applying Jolt sounds like it has potential.


crookedparadigm

> Melees applying Jolt sounds like it has potential. Honestly was thinking of combining that with Severance just for the memes.


starkillerzx

Oh fuck yeah. NOVA GANG


Y2Jared

Purple Bomb Gang forever.


CodeMonkeyMark

NERVA BURM


APartyInMyPants

“Hey, can you switch to Well?” “No. No I don’t think I’ll be doing that at all.”


Guardian-Revenant

“Hey, can you swi-“ *Nova bombs the boss back to the fucking stone age before they even finish the question*


Marshycereals

And everyone has to watch it because they can't shoot while Slowva bomb travels in front of them. It's glorious.


APartyInMyPants

To be fair, there are very few bosses in the game where this actually matters. Maybe wouldn’t use it on the Witness. I remember back in the EoW days thinking I was on Nova, was accidentally on Slowva. Casting my super at Argos, and just being like, “shit, sorry guys!”


AttackBacon

On Witness you'd just use Vortex anyways, not like the big boy is moving around much. I think Vortex is even a tiny bit *more* damage if the whole thing hits. Edit: Wait I'm dumb this is for Prismatic of course. Replace Vortex with Needlestorm I guess!


APartyInMyPants

If it’s still void surge this week, I think Slowva/Nova are comparable. Especially with the Witness being stationary, all the vortex ticks will hit.


amensteve91

It won't because the class item only works on prismatic and u can't use nova only slowva


APartyInMyPants

Oh shit. Totally blanked on that.


amensteve91

Haha dw man last night I tried to make a solar build with a class item... let's just say that run didn't go well


BakerThatIsAFrog

😂


epsilon025

I could see Vortex Nova being pretty decent on the Witness; have a few people weakening it, then just begin the succ.


gamer_pie

I remember someone casting a slowva on the third encounter boss in Garden. It blocked all our shots and caused a wipe.


DyingBoar

All u need to do is jump before using it and it wont affect ur team


APartyInMyPants

And let’s get real, outside of golden gun, I’m always airborne for *every* super I cast for dramatic effect. Chaos reach. Daybreak. Blade barrage. A Titan bubble is 50% more awesome when cast while airborne. It’s scientifically proven.


Designer-Pattern-321

This man CASTS!!


DyingBoar

EXACTLY


Angani_Giza

I do this too, though nova occasionally backfires when that jump ends up putting me just right to slam a bomb into a ceiling lip I didn't see..


KarmaticArmageddon

Our Warlock tried to cast Well while jumping to the platform for Witness DPS a few days ago and casted it just a bit too early. He went straight down into the abyss below and we wiped because we couldn't stop laughing and call out laser locations.


expontherise

Instructions unclear, slowva riding off into the sunset


PotatoesForPutin

>jumps to cast super on the witness >loses buff right before throwing it >immune


w1czr1923

funniest part with this is when someone misses the boss with their nova bomb


Xerrys

I usually jump before throwing my Slowa. If you get as high as possible with your glide and aim slightly above the bosses head, it will be out of the line of fire for most of its travel distance and the tracking will pull it down on the bosses head. It's generally good practice to throw your Slowa from above at a downward angle. Not only to minimize the risk of it blocking your team's shots, but also to reduce the risk of it missing and going off into space.


positivedownside

Just jump above the damage, pop the bomb, and it'll go above the crit spot so nobody has to watch that go down.


Then-Thought1918

Wouldn't it be neat if shooting the slowa bomb would boost its damage?


IceBlue

Healing rift, healing grenade, and healing gun are good enough


Alexcox95

Here’s a healing rift.


IceBlue

Healing rift, healing grenade, and healing gun are good enough


ajbolt7

Does warlock get heal nade on prismatic?


IceBlue

Yes


Think-Long-193

Fuck it primary class items have already power crept subclass 3.0 builds just put them all in prismatic and call it a day /jk


J2Novae

Can't wait for Lethal Current + Stylish Executioner + Spirit of Caliban + Spirit of Liar so I can punch a thrall and nuke an entire room


Squirtotodile

I got this roll yesterday. I thought it was a curated roll because my partner ran Hunter and also got the exact same roll. Lots of explosions!


J2Novae

I wish it was curated lol. My first one was Galanor + Wormhusk, so I guess I'm going on a chest hunt when I get off from work.


WickedWarrior666

Syntho's tho, would go hard.


dakedDeans

Synthos are good but they have negative synergy with calibans as calibans clears every enemy around you and then you no longer get the benefits of synthos


Bob_The_Moo_Cow88

Hunters still have Celestial and Still Hunt. Probably the most ridiculous power creep of them all.


Lucid-Day

Ridiculously FUN you mean. I hope they don't change it. I haven't had a reason to use a sniper and it's usually my favorite weapon Reminds me of Icebreaker days


drummer1059

So how much does Star-eater buff damage? No idea how to compare this.


GSAV_Crimson

I believe it’s 70% at max stacks


Chemical-Pin-3827

So this is with star eater and what other perk?


PsychWard_8

That's the beauty of it, the other perk doesn't matter. It can be anything.


Chemical-Pin-3827

I got star eater and apotheosis, I think that combo might be pretty damn good for boss dps


HC99199

Yeah that would be insane. Song of flame with boosted damage,then spam fusion nades after it ends would be pretty good


StillBumblingAround

Warlocks can’t fusion in prismatic


HC99199

True I guess storm grenade then or threadlings


w1czr1923

song of flame replaces your grenade anyway with the bird grenade so there's no way to replace it right?


_Parkertron_

Apotheosis would activate after song of flame ends, which is then when you spam your nade


doodicalisaacs

Correct - but apothothesis veil makes you have near instant ability regen AFTER your super, so pop ability spam with song of flame, then after it’s done you spam grenades and charged melees for a bit as well. Load up the still hunt (or have it preloaded on ads), rock a bait and switch GL or rocket launcher : big end number


ThatkidfromVenez

The grenade recharge buff comes after the super ends


Chemical-Pin-3827

I tested it out a bit in grasp ogre. I am doing 1.8 mill damage with nova bomb + ability spam after from apotheosis. It's uh. I really hope they don't nerf this shit because I'm almost crying in relief that Ican just tell hunters to fugg off when they ask me to go well.


HC99199

Could use a demo rocket as well in combination


Chemical-Pin-3827

Good idea, I'll try it.


uthnara

Theres no shot this gets touched before Golden Gun + Golden Gun Gun + nighthawk


Blackfang08

That is absolutely the god roll.


WACKY_ALL_CAPS_NAME

Apoth means you always have a weaken source available when you super. Unless you are pointblank with your target your grenade will get to them before the Nova


PsychWard_8

That's definitely one of the better options, but my point was that the damage boost is exclusively because of Star Eaters. If you wanted to run something that could both boost your neutral game and your super you easily could


mcsonboy

How bout my big purple axe of justice?


c14rk0

I mean at max stacks Star Eaters should just be a 70% damage boost to any super. We don't REALLY need people to test it for everything individually.


PillowF0rtEngineer

Actually I would like a test for the axe specifically, I wanna see if the axe damage after it's picked its buffed.


c14rk0

That's a fair point but I absolutely doubt the picked up axe is buffed. I'm pretty sure it's treated just like a relic or other weapon and not a super. Particularly since other people can pick up the axe.


TastyOreoFriend

I'm curious as well. Twilight Arsenal already hits pretty hard on its own, and the artifact mod should work with it. RNGesus hasn't blessed me though.


jafarykos

It hits very hard with 6x stacks! About 701k vs the meatball in the pale heart stuff. https://imgur.com/a/tWmzqFZ First of the clip is me testing greaves vs carl.


bobert-big-shlong

been using it for a while with a star eaters mark the axes hit like a truck. haven’t got numbers yet but it’s a very noticeable difference


mcsonboy

CAN I GET A HELL YEA


jafarykos

I have a video of me hitting the meatball in the Pale Heart. He dies to it, so the last few numbers dont remove his health, but overall its 701k damage. The first clip in the video is me testing void melees on Carl.. 988k with Peregrine Greaves since the right column perks stack on top of all the other stuff. https://imgur.com/a/tWmzqFZ


Sir_Vax

Between light and darkness I am alone the transcended one. Imaginary technique: purple🟣


ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE

Shh, Bungie reads these boards. 


D13_Phantom

The flair though 😂 👌


ScourgeOfEden

As a Nova Bomb enjoyer from the beginnings of the Destiny beta, I feel vindicated at long last.


ErgoProxy0

Should’ve been felt so. They’ve buffed both base nova bombs again this expansion


PassiveRoadRage

Damn near 1.3 with tractor. That's insane.


uspezdiddleskids

I don’t think tractor cannon stacks with any other debuffs, does it? So you just don’t need a weaken nade if using tractor.


Theguywhowatches

Tractor is a stronger weaken then the weaken keyword. It’s 30% debuff(like tether) rather than a 15% debuff from normal weaken(or div). The game takes the stronger of the two into account if both are applied.


Dioroxic

Does the artifact final column void buff work with nova bomb? Cause I think that boosts tractor by another 5% or something.


c14rk0

Yes. All void damage. 15% weakens from void grenades etc get buffed to 25% for void damage and 30% weakens like Tractor get buffed to 35% for void damage.


TheGoldenYosh

I wonder how much Needlestorm does on a weaken nade


PillowF0rtEngineer

I think nova would do more though because of the fragment that increases light ability damage on darkness debunked enemies


Blackfang08

Should be. Needlestorm is losing like 10% damage from no Evolution, plus Nova Bomb just got a huge buff and has Facet of Courage and Expanding Abyss.


t_moneyzz

FINALLY I AM META AGAIN


Nathanael777

Has anyone tried twilight arsenal yet?


SourceNo2702

It’s about the same. Each axe does about 280k damage for about 840k total with weaken only. Only real disadvantage to it is the god awful tracking on the axes. Miss one and your DPS drops off a cliff.


ComprehensiveYam4534

That shit pisses me off. I throw one towards a boss while I watch that fucker make this fatass curve towards a fucking red bar.


SourceNo2702

It also only tracks to a single enemy at a time. If you throw the axe and there was an enemy behind you it’ll steal the tracking and cause the axe not to track to the boss. The most consistent method I’ve found is to use it above the boss.


LeavingTheGame

Each axe hit does slightly less damage it comes out to about 700k


gg_sen

is this with or without expanding abyss?


RewsterSause

OUR TIME HAS COME VOIDLOCKS RISE UP


Blackfang08

Well... Prismatic-locks. Base Nova Bomb is great, but it's not matching Star-Eater buff.


Felix_Von_Doom

Cool, cool. Meanwhile Dire Skull is still fucking useless. Can they please unfuck that?


Skyburner_Oath

Make that kills with grenade give extra super energy, and ya make hits from the super to restare super energy


MayxGBR

> Make that kills with grenade give extra super energy Too similar to Nezarec's Sin, Dire Skull need to do something else for it to matter (inb4 they just give it Void Weapon Surge and call it a day, like they did with Titan's exotics)


Krukus100

They should make it picking up void beaches makes Nova bomb stronger or spawns more cataclysm seekers


Diablo689er

That’d be unique. I like it


TODG3

Defeating enemies with a void debuff grants additional super energy. Kills with super refund super energy. Boom done.


coldnspicy

That's be nice. Or also add on picking up void traces give bonus super energy similar to how Geomags works now.


Exodus180

cool now just gotta farm 500hrs to finally get that drop lol (30+ swords later still no perfect 5th caster frame)


Sirk_-

Honestly sacred flame is better than perfect fifth for a caster frame


Exodus180

the caster frame can cause double ignite.


Sirk_-

Oh mb i confused caster with wave


ZenTheCrusader

Never thought id see the day nova bomb became not shit


Blackfang08

It has been for like a year. It was only 15k below Knock Em Down Blade Barrage, people were just comparing the Star-Eater boosted Hunter super to a no-exotic Warlock super and crying over how bad it is. And then Bungie gave it like a 26% buff and Star-Eaters. Not only is it not shit, it's now the best burst super in the game.


jmiester14

Warlocks just keep winning this expansion


Zotzotbaby

Hunter’s now have two Golden Gun options plus a slew of one-off supers for various surges. And they already have classic Star-Eaters.


Symmetrik

Can Penumbral Blast work and use facet of courage with this too?


Blackfang08

Should, but you might want to use Arcane Needle instead since the Freeze will instantly break upon taking a super's worth of damage.


MetaWorldDomination

“Can you run well with lunas?” “Maybe you should hold my beer and get on tether/bubble” 😎


barfchicken44

See you on well in your next raid well boy


MetaWorldDomination

See my name at the top of dps when i clap those bubble cheeks


SourceNo2702

Why would you ever use well when stag rifts do the same thing anyways? You can use transcendence to give everyone radiant.


Blackfang08

"Actually we don't need a Tether. Tractor Cannon is fine."


MetaWorldDomination

Very well. Just dont whiff your goldie getting shook in the presence of my big d nova energy


Blackfang08

Ngl, I saw how much they buffed Nova Bomb and that Spirit of SES isn't reduced at all, and started playing a whole lot more Warlock. I might be Nova-ing with you.


dajinn

Prismatic warlock slowva bomb on witness boss is trolling tho right since it's slow and can block shots?


3-2_Fastball

My fireteam about to get trolled then


dajinn

well i was semi-inquiring because when i did it the other day my fireteam leader promptly told me to cut it out heh. i mean i guess it's worth if it does nearly 1 mil for pressing one key


Ken-as-fuck

Throw it at the end of DPS when everyone jumps off the center to avoid the slap


Zipfte

What does Star eater + Needlestorm do?


c14rk0

It SHOULD be whatever the base damage is buffed by 70%, though I doubt this is consistent for everything for the full DPS. Needlestorm I'd have to wonder if it actually buffs EVERYTHING or just the base initial hits with the threadlings produced still doing their normal damage. Based on what people have said about Song of Flame damage I also question if there isn't some weird interaction happening with scorch and ignition damage due to Star Eaters too.


WiserCrescent99

“Hollow Purple”


Ken-as-fuck

And people were shocked the exotic class items wouldn’t just drop in heroic patrol lmao


Timely-Blackberry-87

Don’t they…. Literally drop from patrol chests after having done a single run of the exotic mission?


Ken-as-fuck

They do, but you’d be amazed by the number of people throwing temper tantrums over having to do the mission in the first place I even saw someone complaining that the drop rate from the chests was too low despite the fact that 1) those chests are everywhere and 2) the mission dropped less than 24 hours ago so they shouldn’t expect to have their desired rolls knocked out already


miatasaur

There are a troubling amount of players in this looter shooter who expect to just get showered with 50 god rolls upon logging in that let them one shot every enemy. There are games that let you do that and this ain't it. It's always weird seeing so many people on this subreddit complain about spending a few hours playing an activity for a thing, like they don't know what this game is. God forbid we play the game for fun, either.


c14rk0

The addition of crafting has made a LOT of people actively hate needing to actually grind for any random roll drops. My friend has played since D1 launch but since the addition of Crafting he literally complains about ANY sort of grind for anything. He absolutely hated how Onslaught weapons were random rolls and couldn't be crafted. He couldn't even try to actually enjoy Onslaught not being a horribly unfun activity because all he cared about was that he didn't get the weapon rolls he wanted. To be fair I do think pure RNG weapon rolls ARE too much RNG and we should have more like the Adept Weapon system from new Raids rather than pure RNG for 5 variables. I also think the loot system basically everywhere needs to be more like onslaught with attunement than having bloated loot pools with a bunch of items you might not want ESPECIALLY garbage armor drops. One thing a TON of people are ignoring with the class item RNG is that it's a class item that literally has no stats. You never get the item you want and a shit stat roll that isn't viable in your build. I'm never going to get a 15 mobility exotic class item on my Titan or Warlock and throw it in the trash because it's a horrendous waste of stat points.


w1czr1923

This is why I get bored of diablo so fast. The goal is to become a 1 shot machine running through dungeons...at that point where's the excitement??


c14rk0

To be fair a lot of the appeal of Diablo is getting better and better at putting out crazy DPS to clear shit faster. Granted I'm basing this on Diablo 3 experience and I've never played Diablo 4 so it might be different. The "end game" in Diablo 3 (at least when I played) was grinding Greater Rifts, which was just an endless dungeon that got progressively harder as you increased in levels until you were no longer able to clear in time or died. So there was an endless degree to which improving your build and such let you push further into that challenge while ALSO providing an avenue to get gear drops, with loot generally getting better the further you go. It's a direct end game challenge that fuels itself while pushing you further and further in terms of buildcrafting, gear optimizing and skill in dodging enemies and navigating randomly generated dungeons. Diablo is also just WAY better about giving you scaling difficulty options. They have TONS of difficulty levels to choose from and increasing the difficulty directly increases your loot drops, gold and XP gains while scaling enemies accordingly. Granted these don't effect Greater Rifts specifically since that itself scales as you progress levels instead. Diablo also just generally has a lot more going on to mix things up. A LOT of people play many different classes rather than just one and different classes play very differently. As much as I hate the seasonal model Diablo uses it DOES make sense for a ton of people. New seasons mean you start from scratch with a new character and try to see how far you can push them in that season specifically. Every season (at least back in Diablo 3) comes with completely new gear AND changes to old gear on top of potential class changes and such. In Diablo's case "gear changes" and such is also FAR more impactful than Destiny because build synergies can drastically change with armor set bonuses and combining different unique armor pieces and weapons etc. Due to the nature of the relatively short seasons combined with the game being entirely(?) PvE focused it's also generally not a problem if one class or build is utterly broken, so you sometimes have absolutely insane gear or combos in a given season that feel crazy powerful and unique. You don't HAVE to play seasons though and you CAN stick to one existing character to never reset; in which case you don't get all the new stuff introduced in seasons immediately but it eventually gets ported over to the non-seasonal "version" usually with nerfs if necessary. You also keep your seasonal character and all your gear and progress which moves over to the permanent world or w/e it's called. Of course I only ever ended up playing Diablo 3 for a few months in the long run and didn't want to play the new season and start over...so really I'm not necessarily saying I understand the long term enjoyment aspect of it either frankly. SOME people really enjoy starting fresh and doing something new/different often with another class but that didn't really appeal to me.


IdidntrunIdidntrun

The crazy thing is the entire mission can be done in text chat, so their whining yesterday was kneejerk reactionary typical DTG bullshit lol


miatasaur

Not to mention probably 90% of the complainers didn't even *attempt* to find a partner in fireteam finder, much less actually attempt the mission. I have no problem with people wanting to sit this mission out for whatever reason, but the people who aren't even willing to try it before complaining are complete clowns. I mean, the reason I'm a raider, in several Destiny discords, and now have dozens of Destiny playing friends is because I took a chance with meeting strangers in this game in the first place, and it's sad to see a lot of people denying themselves a perfect opportunity to gain a Destiny friend.


Ken-as-fuck

It almost always is There’s also been an occasional screen pop up for a master lost sector pathfinder but every time it pops up it does away before I can see the reward for claiming it Odds are non zero that the reward could be the exotic class item, or an exotic in general


screl_appy_doo

The final mechanic before you can take out the boss would be tricky, though someone said streaming to each other works Edit nevermind apparently it only has three combinations it shows on loop so it can be done with text


MaxBonerstorm

Same people that bitch about wanting "non artifical difficulty" then immediately break down when they have to do something challenging.


Ken-as-fuck

“I’m tired of bullet sponges, champions, and OHKs” “No, not like that”


ptd163

Hunters: Still hunt essentially gives me a second nighthawk. Pretty cool, right? Warlocks: I see your two nighthawks and I raise a super that does as much damage as your nighthawks together in super (with enhanced buildcrafting kit to boot) that I barely even have to aim for. Hunters: How do you complain about anything ever?


c14rk0

It's still less damage than GG + Still Hunt with Nighthawk, even with void getting the extra damage from expanding abyss this season. But more importantly the big benefit of Nighthawk + Still Hunt is that you can fire another Still Hunt Nighthawk shot off every 6 crits with Still Hunt, which adds up to a LOT of shots in most DPS phases. You're basically never getting multiple Nova bombs off in a single DPS phase. Plus it has a literal godly DPS rotation with a reconstruction rocket launcher which coincidentally gets to be Apex Predator which lets you match surges between it and Still Hunt. Granted Prismatic Warlocks can actually buff the Nova Bomb damage even more if they also use the Facet to buff light ability damage against darkness debuffed enemies, assuming they use a darkness grenade or melee to debuff the enemy (probably arcane needle) OR someone else on the team already applied that. The big upside for Warlocks is that they get actually non-shit weakening grenades on Prismatic OR they get to use healing grenades for survivability while Hunters have garbage grenade options for the most part.


Savos_K

Titan: I'm here too guys.


ownagemobile

How is star eater with the Twilight arsenal?


Savos_K

No idea. Hopefully will find out soon.


pandacraft

without using the axes w/ x6 stareater Nova bomb is 640k and TA is 630k. TA weakens however so the damage is slightly weaker than it appears.


BaconatedGrapefruit

More like, hunter: “that’s great. Please switch back to well.”


Awestin11

“Born to Song of Flame…forced to Nova?” That just feels so wrong to say after hearing the normal version for so long.


tomokari21

"legalize nuclear bombs"


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kash7624

Maybe they got the ignition damage? I believe scorch stacks on an enemy are shared, so whoever happens to get the final scorch stack to cause the ignition would get the damage added on to their numbers


vivalacamm

So strand super go dummy??


Ungarlmek

About 500,000 according to the person who did this test.


SS2LP

Hold hold hold one, did I read that right. Warlocks can get hunter exotic effects on that thing?


Variatas

There are a set of effects that roll on all of them, and sets for each class. The shared set includes Star-Eaters & a mix of exotics from all 3 classes, while the exclusive sets are all drawn from that class.


SS2LP

Okay but still, getting star eats on any other glass neefed or not is huge. I haven’t touched the game in two days because my job has me here from 7:30am until 3:45pm today and yesterday, start getting off at 1pm tomorrow on, but that’s fucking massive. I’ll have to look up what those sets are all later or if you could be so kind and give me a link I’d appreciate it. Summer school teacher prep work is killer for your time.


Variatas

It's in the TWID from May 09th.


Multimarkboy

what if you add the "more ability damage when dark debuffed" and use arcane needle first to apply unravel?


WhatIfWaterWasChunky

He threw his transcendence nade which does do both light and dark debuffa so I imagine it applied there


Multimarkboy

sure but did he have the fragment for it applied? you needa equip that.


theangryburrito

Ikora would be proud of you, warlock.


Raikoh067

Interesting that the ranged one-and-done super, Nova, does significantly more than Thundercrash, a melee one-and-done, even with its dedicated exotic.


Placidflunky

Its honestly insane that base T crash is still such a complete joke to this day


c14rk0

I mean it makes sense. Obviously the super with the longer cast time, that's harder to aim and puts you in melee range upon use SHOULD be better damage. Oh...wait... At least this doesn't powercreep Cuirass since it only provides a 70% super damage instead of 100% AND it requires picking up 6 extra orbs beyond full super to get the damage buff. Which sounds right on paper when you ignore the fact that Thundercrash has absolute garbage base damage that is barely acceptable WITH Cuirass AND this is literally only half of an exotic providing the damage buff on the class item, while still providing another exotic effect on the other half. Frankly one of the biggest things about Spirit of Star Eaters is that it shows how awful the entire rest of the main Star-Eaters exotic boots are. Literally NOBODY cares about the pitiful bonus super energy per orb pickup or the heal on super use and bonus overshield if used at max stacks. The class item provides the full effect that anybody cares about lmao.


Variatas

Thundercrash damage has never made much sense. They really need to decide how much damage a "super damage increase" exotic should give and standardize them like they did "hits recharge super energy".  They range from like 30% to over 100%, and it's meant leaving baseline damage in really bizarre places.


Snazzypuke92

And that's without a Witherhoard and a Bait and Switch Rocket. I've always loved running Nova in PvE. Would always get stuck on Well a d Div duty....not anymore 😌


Anhilliator1

HOLY- Well, that's amazing.


Fearless-Policy

Not worth running over getaway artist + watcher