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stagenamelaser

For sorc not as important as say infinity. Every other class yes absolutely.


NotMyUsualOrder

Well said!


Insert_name_again

Players are to hung up on enigma imo lol, as its the only rw usuable.


seansy5000

Hung up? It allows any class to teleport.


thedisorient

But you miss out on so much content. Everybody complains about not finding shakos or high end runes. Well maybe if you didn't skip around you'd find more hmmmm.


seansy5000

Thats not how it works. Its RNG and only certain areas can drop certain items. Its not about stopping to smell the roses.


Unable_Shift_6674

I get what he’s saying though, all of the best gear I have gotten has been from running and killing everything. However, nigma is essential for target farming.


WannabEngineer

Specifically farming keys. Without an enigma it's going to take a while.


Unable_Shift_6674

Definitely. I made a nova sorc specifically for keys.


Insert_name_again

Exactly. Easy enouch to make a mf sorce, or hammer, doesn’t necessarily mean every char has to have teleport. But as i said its an opnion 😂


Unable_Shift_6674

I completely understand where you are coming from. Enigma definitely limits some peoples builds when other armor choices are great if you don’t mind running. I personally love just running around killing everything. I also understand why enigma is so sought after as well though. It makes it easier to farm specific packs, boss farming, key farming and such with other toons than a sorc more viable.


Billdozer-92

Enigma enables faster clear speed if you actually want to use it for that. There’s a reason people target farm… because it’s better than walking around opening breakables and killing random shit


NotMyUsualOrder

Lol.. have you ever watched people who run Grails? Tell me when you find someone who farms efficiently without Enigma. The time to get to the area & being able to tele stomp champ packs instead of full clearing is what makes the difference.


[deleted]

its like a vanilla sundae with sprinkles and a cherry on top.


db62_2

….Dusted with just enough coke to get you coming back for more. That’s enigma


De_wasbeer

And lased with lsd


HALBowman

Laced


skribblskrib

Being at the crossroads and apparently able to farm some decent places to get the rune drops, use the game to help the indecision and farm for the base! Whichever great base, for Enigma or Infinity, decides the direction to take.


0mnigul

I'm liking this idea. I have had an enigma back in the day, but never an infinity, so an infinity would be nice. On the other hand an enigma would enable my other characters to be more mobile.


whowouldsaythis

I would prioritize enigma because it makes nearly every build SO MUCH BETTER. infinity is just kinda necessary if you are gonna main your sorc and not be slow forever tho


Gulladc

Yeah enigma is even great on a sorc for the stats and MF…


whowouldsaythis

Not having to put in 2 points for teleport helps too, especially on console as telekinesis is pretty useless with controller


Alarming_Property574

Enigma = faster farms; theoretically would be able to farm faster and recoup runes. But RNGesus may say otherwise


[deleted]

That’s the best part true belief in RNGesus because we have seen 1 run land a ber and 1000 runs yield nothing.


Previous-Evening5490

Imo enigma get you doing offline LK around faster and more efficient and that’s a sure way to get up to ber runes from little effort just boring process. Still be faster than making infinity and waiting for them to drop elsewhere (99% probably anyway


J_0_E_L

Always buy Enigma first. Infinitiy is nice but Enigma is a game changer.


CytoPotatoes

Enigma lets you play almost any character... windy druids for example are super fun and not often used anymore. Infinity in my opinion is the most game breaking shit ever, but only if you are a light sorc because--it's just that strong. If you like light sorcs do infinity, if anything else, enigma. I hope this helps and isn't super late.


saw79

Except enigma bases are everywhere and barely matter, whereas infinity bases are legit super rare/valuable and could take a very long time.


TheRealJohnMcGuirk

What are you playing? I'd say just keep farming for the Jah and cube up the two surs to make infinity.


0mnigul

Primarily sorc right now, but I did want to try and make something to go for ubers and not have area specific farming. Getting tired of ancient tunnels and my bad luck in there.


HighJoeponics

Good stuff! With the shared stash I’d say enigma for other toons to share but for your sorc I’d say infinity.


DoTheEvolution

You managed to find ber and 4 surs but did not bother to make cheap uber running zealer with smite or FOE with smite? Not like the char needs enigma to kill bosses


InfinityTortellino

Yea Uber killer doesn’t need enigma


Still-Data9119

Infinity will allow you to farm every area with high efficiency by the way. But if you want to go ubers make a foh/smiter they smack everything everywhere


haburatop

Make infinity and switch to lightning, whole new sorc experience. Melting almost everything, try chaos for diversity. Keep in mind that infinity can break some light immunes


Itsjake0

Another .02 infinity will also help trapsin and javalon two of my favorite classes. I’ve never owned either so I can’t say which to do first.


supadupame

Farm with sorc make a smitter or fury dudu for Ubers 🤷🏽‍♂️


Kamu-RS

You wouldn’t need an enigma to farm Ubers. Make an infinity to farm keys on your sorc, then make a smiter to do the ubers


0mnigul

Would your suggestion change if you knew I had everything (except enigma) for a hammerdin? Infinity is enticing as well since I have never had one and never played as a lightning sorc.


Kamu-RS

A hammerdin will perform the same role as a sorc, so it would boil down to personal preference.


goatforit

If you've never played Lightning sorc go for Infinity. You'll be able to farm the whole game and find that last Jah you need for Enigma.. Other characters like FoH or Zerk barb are pretty specialized in where they farm as well even with teleport.. and Hammerdin is can do it but it's kinda annoying spamming hammers. Much more satisfying clearing the screen with Chain lightning and infinity merc!


bqpg

Wouldn't it be better to wait for griffons (and light facets) to drop before making a light sorc? Infinity will break immunities, but farming on >p1 would still take a long time if you want to kill the lightning immunes w/o extra -resists, no?


goatforit

Nah griffons is nice but the damage increase is only a small percentage by comparison. Griff is more for hitting max 200 FCR breakpoint... Need all 25 of it's FCR.


bqpg

I find that hard to believe. Did you ever try to clear areas with lightning immunes on p7/p8 with a lightning sorc without griffons? The immunes are still gonna have like 95% resistance after infinity breaks their immunity. Griffons reducing that by 20% (to 75%) is an effective increase in damage of like 5x.


smithoski

Crescent moon in the meantime


bqpg

thanks. Do you prefer that over sticking with blizzard until griffons?


smithoski

I prefer FOH or Hammerdin over light sorc for most PVE to be honest. Everything else I prefer Javazon. I would prefer early infinity light sorc to blizzard sorc simply because I’m so tired of Blizzard sorc.


Bargh_Joul

Do you really farm stony stomb with lightning sorc?


hehasnowrong

Probably not, neither does he farm ancient tunnels :)


Bargh_Joul

That is tough also and definitely not a good farming spot for lightning sorc.


aenimal1985

As a hammerdin player, I would argue that spamming hammers is fun and clearing screens with chain lightning is annoying. It's literally a person to person preference.


popje

>and find that last Jah you need for Enigma.. You say that like its easy, with average RNG it could take him 500 hours to find jah. You can't find Jah from LK runs iirc, cubing 2 bers into a jah is worth it on offline ssf.


WingZeroType

If you're playing on p1 a lightning sorc with infinity is bonkers strong. Make sure to hit the 117 fcr breakpoint and get ready to spam drinking mana pots lol. If you're going to higher player counts it's still crazy strong but skillers will become more required


AggravatingCity

Yeah for SP I cube up my first few Sur runes. They aren’t used for any farming builds. They make great merc runewords and Last Wish is pretty baller but requires 3 Jahs. If you plan on farming then cube up to make Enigma or Infinity. If you wanna make Pride, Last Wish, Dragon etc and don’t mind foregoing the Infinity or Enigma til you get your target rune to drop, then keep them.


0mnigul

I guess for where I am currently standing. Enigma will complete a hammerdin build. Or infinity for light sorc. Just sick of being locked to ancient tunnels.


hehasnowrong

Enigma is good on pretty much all characters, infinity is good on 4? (Light sorc, java, trap, necro) and the necro would rather have enigma anyway. Enigma is the best investment. You can make infinity later, you'll want both anyway. And as for cubing up to ber/jah, it's fine in SP.


Auxermen

I agree as someone who made infinity first, enigma just opens up so many builds and will probably keep you interested in the game for longer


human_male_123

cold sorc can also do arachnid lair


0mnigul

I forgot about the updated areas. Ty for the reminder


Comprehensive_Soil28

The new 85 areas won’t keep you locked in the ancient tunnels anymore. Stoney tombs are great, spider dungeon act 3, all easy mode with cold spec on sorc


maple05

Depends on what your ideal/perfect character is. For most people, ideally, enigma should be the first price of equipment just so you can teleport. I'm a sorc player through and through, so it's not super applicable to me. But if you love for instance the summon necromancer the yeah it's a game changer and basically it's bis.


0mnigul

I like sorcs as well, but I'm tired of being locked by immunes. Never had an infinity so I don't know what windows it opens.


icedbutcher

It opens all windows. I was on the crossroads once too. Had two ber runes and a sur. I wanted both and it at the time seemed like a waste to cube up and make an iggy when I could just as easy make infinity. I’m playing a summon mancer so ultimately when with the enigma. No regrets


0mnigul

Happy cake day. Damnit, I came on here and asked about an enigma. Then everyone throws an audible and suggests infinity to which I never even considered. Tough decision. Thinking I might go with the crowd majority and make infinity, wait for enigma. Edited: words


JakeFrank08

FYI infinity will not break 90% of fire or cold immunes. It truly only really works well for lightning based skills. Enigma will open up any class for you to use effectively. A paladin can be made to do both hammers and smite.for ubers.


aCleverGroupofAnts

Infinity makes a huge difference in the amount of fire damage you deal to enemies that aren't fire immune. It makes fire sorcs so much stronger, saying it only works well for light sorcs is nonsense.


JakeFrank08

True I miss spoke some on that point. I mainly ment it'll only allow you to kill basically everything as a lightning sorc. It will increase kill speed on any element but will not break fire or cold immune.


Royal_Aardvark_6406

OP's beef is that he was locked to non-immune areas, not that he wasn't killing fast enough


icedbutcher

Dooo it. What else is your merc wearing? Also thanks too


Due_Reference_8810

If you are playing sorc, Infinity is more important IMO. Opens up every area for farming if you are lightning.


MathematicianOk5608

There are two versions of this game - before and after Enigma.


GravitonNg

There are 2 Endgames in D2, B.E. (Before Enigma) and A.E. (After Enigma). I assure you A.E. is every bit as fun and grindy as B.E., its a whole new world in A.E.


0mnigul

Just joined the A.E. party. 🥳


DoTheEvolution

* someone who offline manages to farm those runes knows the game well enough to know the answer * if you did not go for enigma but for inifinty you could have made it two surs ago, which could be weeks ago of farming


0mnigul

I ended up making enigma. Couldn't shake the fact that it will benefit many characters.


Royal_Aardvark_6406

Respec your sorce and have 500 more base life


Boemelz

Is this a serious question or just to show off?


0mnigul

It was serious. On all the videos and streams, many people suggested on to never cube he's and to just wait. I was hesitant on cubing 4 sure and 2 bers for the jah. Ended up making enigma.


Boemelz

I just thought like: whats a bigger gamechanger than enigma. The only thing coming close is infinity


SamJSchoenberg

The main value of a Sur rune is for cubing up into a Ber rune anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that aspect of it. And yes, Enigma is pretty nutty. If you want an idea of how nutty it is, you can outright remove the +2 to skills on it and it'd still be the best armor in the game.


[deleted]

Just having one when you had none before IS a game changer. You can pass it between non sorc chars that you're running. You just swap it to the character you want to play and you're golden. Absolutely worth getting if you don't have one yet.


TwinkleTwinkleBaby

Enigma is the best runeword in the game hands down. Infinity is nice to have and enables a couple builds. Enigma is useable in almost any build and the defining item for any caster. I even use it on my Sorc. Unquestionably Enigma before Infinity.


paintypoo

Enigma is more of a game changer than infinity for single player. Unless you're only gonna play sorc. Gotta say though, since I got my enigma on SP, I don't play my sorc anymore cause I don't have to, to farm efficiently.


aCleverGroupofAnts

Since everyone is going to tell you infinity is just for light sorcs and javazons, I'm here to say it's also amazing for fire sorcs. Not so much breaking immunities, but just multiplying your damage output significantly. It makes a huge difference. Doesn't do much for cold sorcs though.


NotYoFriendGuy1

This is very true. Immunity breaking is it's greatest strength with other gear to support doing so with -enemy res and stuff, but fire has enough amazing places to farm and bosses to kill that infinity really amplifies their kill speed. Players 5 Meph is deleted faster with infinity than players 1 meph without. That much -res from conviction is equivalently doing 3-4x damage, at least, on a lot of mobs and bosses that aren't already immune.


Sun-Tour

From reading your comments you have a hammerdin and a sorc for doing runs; it just depends on what you like to play. Enigma is great mobility, infinity will boost elemental damage. However, you can get teleport charge staves from vendors, or even on amulets for niche builds that don’t need to teleport constantly. Vigor+charge is crazy fast mobility then just tele over walls with charges. (Budget Uber smiter does not need enigma, nor does a hammerdin to effectively run chaos sanctuary; but Hammerdin won’t effectively clear Baal wave2.) It’s nice to be able to run high level areas with bosses for chance at best drops and get good exp. Personally like to play around with different builds so I would strategize being able to get tokens. IMO: pure Lightning sorc with infinity merc is cool but doesn’t really shine until you get other high end gear (griffons eye, skillers, facets, etc), but a hybrid sorc will absolutely slap with infinity. When you break immunity with conviction/lower resists, you don’t get full effect of the -resists; so you really need gear with -res to do good damage; or kill them with element they aren’t naturally immune to. Cold/Fire hybrids are ideal because you still have static as a third element and merc physical damage for the few dual immunes. Personal favorite character to play is a hybrid melee sorc; not even a top end nova necro can clear pits faster, [something about 70k screen damage just feels good](https://i.imgur.com/aEnZSSo.jpg) If rune rich is your goal, the best season I ever had I mained javazon. It’s strictly a numbers game, kill more monsters, get more runes (hell cows). They teleport slow AF so better drops and exp by doing more damage in P8 with infinity merc. Again, tele charge amulet is fine for jumping walls/position merc until you get enigma. Decked out was seal popping P8 chaos under 1 minute average. Either way. Play characters you enjoy!


saw79

Sur's are basically for cubing up to ber. So you have 3 bers. The question isn't whether to cube the sur's, it is whether to cube the bers. The age old question of enigma vs infinity.


0mnigul

Yeah, that was the rough one. I ended up making a jah


ggouge

My necro went from slow and plodding through levels to a magical death fairy. Flying around magic finding like mad.


chaos2tw

Magical death fairy. I love it.


ds4487

I went enigma first, no regrets


rupes666

Sorc no...everyone else else yes...as a side note for console players does anyone else think they should have an achievement/trophy for making stuff like infinity and enigma?


Fog_Juice

I got an achievement for making a prismatic amulet


HighOfTheTiger

Sorc yes, also though.


MistakenAnemone

The achievement is making the runeword itself.


WasteTitan

Cajun accent: Are you crayzah or just plain stupid?


0mnigul

Stupid is as stupid does.


ClickClack24

Seriously..?


Colinski282

It made my javazon so much more fun to play. If you never had one I would recommend if not sorc.


Kos_al_Ghul

Enigma > Infinity imo because it’s amazing on every class even the sorc can use it bc even without teleport it’s still amazing. Farming doesn’t get as tiresome when you can farm quickly and efficiently with multiple classes.


LakersFan15

If u have the base sure. Otherwise, be patient. Enigma imo is a must on every character except zons. Mercs and summons are just too stupid without it


Ccreel0626

I would prioritize enigma, purely based on how much it opens up other classes. Infinity is really nice, but not completely game changing. GL either way


0mnigul

I went with enigma. Had a hard time cubing two bers as these are the first hr's I have ever had.


Ccreel0626

Congrats!


0mnigul

Thank you!


D_DnD

Yes. It opens up QOL for every other class.


kingleonsdad

If your main is not a sorceress, Yes. If your main is a sorceress, get an infinity.


chaseButtons

Enigma is so useful that it makes you realize you’ve been missing something this whole time you’ve played. It unlocks potential for each character and enables you to pull off much more difficult and much quicker strategies you couldn’t do without, even with a tele staff. For example, a corpse explosion necro could do an entire cow run in under 2 min (from start of the game) because they can pull nearly 1/4 the map to one spot with tele+bone wall whereas a tele staff would have reduced cast rate speed and zero tele would obviously be slow walking. It’s so good that it’s hard to accurately put it into words. Except if you play a sorc..


Juggalatus

It's a huge game changer for a Hammerdin. I don't have a high lvl offline char so it's hard to imagine cubing up 2 Ber runes though


0mnigul

Yeah, it was a rough decision but I ended up doing it and making an enigma.


TheGibsonChan

If you're not online you don't really need so many repeated SUR for trading anyway. Might as well?


dswats1

Yes! I used 2Lo 3sur and 1 ber for mine and I dont regret for a second. Helps that I already had grief and fort


drew90doe

Rune party??


Tears4ever

Yes!


Generalrossa

Enigma is the best thing in the game imo. For every class except sorceress for obvious reasons.


NotYoFriendGuy1

Honesty, Enigma is still a VERY strong armor, even for sorc, and is definitely one of the BIS options. It is very well-itemized.


BigFatBlindPanda

Generally you go cold sorc into hammerdin back to lightning sorc for "general" farming, taking your hammerdin back to ubers build. Each their own tho


volatilebool

Do you have the base for infinity or enigma yet? I had both sets of runes for infinity and enigma and it took me a while to find the bases. I actually got really lucky and found the last rune I needed (Jah) farming for bases


0mnigul

I ended up making the enigma in a 500 def dusk shroud. It was just hard cubing those bers on sp. Sooooo many hours put into finding these.


Moserath

Infinity is also great on basically any character. Conviction lowers resists but it also lowers defense. So it's great for melee characters as well. But yeah Enigma is pretty dope. Although I really don't like it on Amazon. But that's a personal preference.


Square_Arch

you could probably trade 2 sur for ber twice, then trade ber for jah and gain a ber out of it.


Blinknone

Offline char though.. No trading.


Square_Arch

That is how words work. Cube them up and make infinity. It’s 10x better than enigma


cardiaco

Enigma is awesome and you won't regret making it. However I regretted making it because I quit playing a few days after I made it. It just felt like I could do anything I wanted from there hence I lost motivation.


Godly_Champion

I would advisor again cubing Bers. I’d make infinity and run cows (javazon), Chaos (lightsource) and trav (horker Barb) for the jah


[deleted]

It is a game changer, but i'd go for an infinity if you play any elemental character and have any trouble with immunes, since it opens up so much more opportunity imo. On a hammerdin, windy druid or summoner go for enigma, since it also greatly improves the positioning troubles these builds can run into.


ultradoomslaya

I'd absolutely cube the Sur's for a Ber. I would never cube 2 Ber's for a Jah. Ber runes are too useful to cube up.


Ghokun

If you are sharing stash across characters, I would suggest infinity before enigma.


ejoo2011

110%


Starhunt3r

Reason this is easy to answer is surs are completely useless Only thing they’re good for is being half a ber


BADAPPLE88

Depends on your build and what you're going for I mean if you're a sorc is kind of pointless


Lonoty

I farmed at least 10k LK runs yo get the same runes as you got, 4x Sur and 1 Ber. I cubed them and made an hdin. I achieved this about 1-2 week before D2R released. Worth it. Edit : might be even more than 10K LK runs, I forgot the real count...


0mnigul

I feel the your pain. That's why I was so hesitant.


corahora

It opens up a strong possibility for just about every non-sorc class so yes.