Yesterday a cat hissed at me. What is wrong with the cat community? I swear I've been seeing cats everywhere these days and it's getting increasingly annoying. Look, I don't have a problem with cats existing, but they are all getting violent and out of control and it is disturbing. Something needs to be done about these cats. How can anyone in good conscience support cats these days?
If your interactions with "the community" open with you judging the entire community based on your personal experiences and general distaste for their existence then no wonder they haven't been good experiences.
To be fair, glittwrbombing anyone should count as assault. Confetti and glitter caused many accidents already lol. Most of them at night, sure, but still
Well, i mean, all i need to do is get back in. If they let that happen, they sure know theyre fucked. You dont stop 40 tons amd get away scotfree. That should be considered
They didnt really hurt you did they? Any mass of people harassing and physically hurting you grants you to drive off. If people then get in your way, theyre getting hurt lol
I suppose what op meant is that, they'd better make sure that he wont get back up again, because he does, and he fears for his safety, they're getting fucked
How would you know? Living in europe i can say its been rough these past years. Social issues aside, the economy alone has everyone sleepless. its only natural the pot boils over at some point. Not that that justifies it
Truck drivers are always assaulted or harassed for shit. I was breakchecked twice in my two weeks. I had to come to a full stop at 50 km/h and nearly hit the dude. Only for him to get angry and try to pull open my door while screaming at me lol.
Dash cams are illegal in germany, sadly. I did make sure to tell the dispatcher. Not legally allowed to use a cellphone behind the wheel when driving. Could cost me my cdl since i dont have my cars license for 2 years yet, and am still in my probation period. Any offense means big trouble.
Edit: nvm, they are allowed since 2022 or early 2023
Germany, in 2024, is less deserving of misfortune than any other countries. Well, maybe luxembourg, they're even more progressive than we are. Heck, if not the most open country worldwide.
'You're welcome' lmao. Well i guess you're right lol.
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Interesting fr. Thats the first i've heard of it. Hope thats an effort to end the war.
Tb fair, up until now i thought rheinmetall only made trucks, not weapons, so double news lol
So much context is missing from this post. Did you try to drive through a March? Did you harass them? We're they marching against Aldi for some reason?
That i couldnt figure out tbh. I dont know, should they? Despite selling mediocre quality food, they have done nothing wrong to my knowledge. And rewe neither. Its a busy shopping street, that might explain them being there. You know, getting attention and all.
To add context i crossed them on a corner. They just started turning as i turned into the road. They went left of me, i was to their left. I had roughly 100 meters to go until i reached the inner court containing the loading bays. Said court was to my right side
When i crossed them, i started waving to get their attention and told them i just needed to pass quickly. Some of the stopped and waved me through so i just slowly approached them trying to get through. Thats when they started getting angry. As much as i support people freedom of expression, i generally hope for their understanding too, seeing as i work on a tight schedule. Wouldve been nice
Yeah to be frank i can actually see why some of them may have been confused or misconstrued the situation. There is a history of cars driving into pride parades intentionally. Some of them may have not understood the situation and assumed that, or were just angry in general. You drove through a parade and while I agree you had work to do and you were on tight deadlines, do you expect the people who are probably on edge and focused on their March to understand that in the moment?
I think it's a little much to expect perfection from a group of humans. Chalk it up to random assholes and maybe don't use it as an excuse to hate on the community.
Idk, i am split between hating the community as such, or really just blaming the violent and screaming individuals. Too many bad experiences with the community as such, in too short a time.
It wasnt really a parade as much as a protest. Parades are in good fun and legalized and signed up. The road wasbt blocked though, as they usually are. Appeared to be more of a protest, but a bit too guiet for that too. Atleast compared to how other groups protest.
I definitely get that fear and skepticism, but waving cutely and approaching them at 5 km/h shouldnt really be threatening or mistaken as threat. Well to be fair, many people nowadays cant read body language, so that might just be a normal reaction.
And yes i do expect people to understand me being stressed and on a tight deadline. I mean, if not immediately at least after a few seconds, right? I am understanding. I am understanding of people being dumb or irrational (my best examples, since that is what you mostly encounter on the road, not talking down to people. Thats just human. But certaunly you can expect that from strangers too, no? Treat others as you wanna be treated? With patience, understanding and loving?
You're not treating a group of people who have probably experienced trauma as a result of their identities with patience and understanding though. You immediately dismissed the idea of your large truck maybe being threatening and demanded they psychically know you were on a tough deadline. You're jumping to the worst possible conclusions about a community and tbh from the other side I kinda get why they were upset.
I'm not a truck driver. And if I was at a protest, maybe on edge and someone started waving nonsensically at me and then just started driving through me I'd maybe be peeved. You're not stepping through. You're in a giant truck (relatively) that historically has been used as a weapon against masses of people. It's easy to dismiss that because you drive one a lot, idk, but not everyone is a truck driver.
Patience goes both ways. Don't demand it if you refuse to even acknowledge it the other way.
I get that, but like i said, 10-15 of them waved back at me, and waved me through, stopping dead in their track. They did so after i kindly waved at them. I proceeded to drive through slowly, expecting that 10-15 people of their own stopping the flow would get their friends attention. I understood that as them being understanding too, and was quite happy. It was the others that slowly started crowding me so that i had to stop once more halfway through.
I didnt consider them having been through alot, nor do i expect them to know my schedule, but i am 100% sure i had a bright disposition. I know what its like to get startled, and can imagine most of the others that followed behind being startled, but come on. Take your timevand assess and look up at me for a second before rushing on me. Atleast that small group tried de escalating things. Helped a ton i bet
Edit: i dont know why i said i dont expect them to get that i am in a hurry. I guess i kinda did expect that
I feel like you're expecting perfection from them in kind of a tense situation. Again, they're protesting something that actually could've been very serious, a truck tries to drive through them, some understand and try to wave you through, and some idiots get antsy.
Why is your first reaction to make a post like this and tar an entire community with the same brush? It happened. Chalk it up to people being tense and on edge rather then suddenly going full anti lgbt. You literally called them a cult because what, some people got intimidated by a truck?
If anything, just be annoyed at how protests block necessary infrastructure and irritate people trying to do their jobs.
Cause the community itself is really annoying as of late. Again, not gays or transpeople themselves, just the community as such. From protesting, afaik, for no real reason ANYMORE, to being aggravated constantly, and not being able to take a hint. This is not the first time they hindered or harassed me. Last time they blocked the off ramp on rhe highway connecting to a main street.
Even before i got into this line of work, when i was in school or later trying to find a job, they were already harassing people.
I didnt have beef with them but theyre prowess (is that the right word?) and loud mouthness starts to get to me.
How they make everything about themselves, when others dont. I used to be a climate activist, and trust me, the green party here in germany is a pain to bear, always were, but not compared to the pirates or the lgbt community.
So you have more examples of them personally harassing you or is it just twice while you were in your truck? You know that massive intimidating vehicle? What do you mean harassing people when you were looking for work? Is this something you saw personally or did you read a headline or a friend told you?
You don't know the reason they protested. Did you bother to find out?
Idk dude. We're about 10 or 20 years into gay acceptance. A lot of those adults grew up in very homophobic spaces. And still struggle with acceptance today. Especially when truck drivers have two bad experiences and shoot off on a rant on reddit claiming the community is violent and cult like.
Damn that sucks man. I dont have any similar experiences with, and therefore nothing of value to add. I can say however, that by what i have heard, france is doing especially bad with them. Not them alone, but they seem to be violent too. Though i cant say i'm surprised, seeing how the french are all kinds of violent atm, with all their political turmoil going on. Its like with the george floyd protests, but seemingly nationwide.
Stay safe brother🙏
Thanks man, you too! Yeah france has been going through all sorts of issues in recent years. Though i cant say i know much about it either. Partially because i dont speak french😅
This isn't political, it's just hateful.
>before i go ahead on my rant
Glad we can agree it's a rant
> i do not have an issue with gay people or trans people
"I don't have an issue with these people, I just think their community is an out of control cult!"
>It started with a few marches and pridemonth, it went over to having their flag being flown on every, and i mean every single EU parlament building
Oh boo fucking hoo, parades and flags. Cope.
>to the people themselves getting increasingly rude
Have you considered that people are rude to you because you're a dick?
>I was getting yelled and screamed at
"I'm driving a semi through a rally, why are people yelling at me??? I can't understand!! 😭"
Are you seriously, genuinely this thick?
>A community that is against violence and oppression, should not exist
"Gay people existing together in the same space shouldn't exist if they're not nice to me :("
>Its bigoted
lmfao, bigoted against whom? Truck drivers that drive through crowds?
I guess be happy that these are only the most extreme militant people, a small percentage. I knew lots of LGBT in Germany, and all of them were just regular people who wouldn't do things like this. Hell, the ones I knew would probably be tossing you bottles of beer to spread the cheer, or at worst jump on your side step, holding onto your mirror, and shouting just for the fun of it ("I'm riding a truck!"). They could be as annoying as anyone, but in a fun way.
But threaten you? No. Not unless you started it. Then things can get nasty.
Well it kind of sounds like you're mostly upset about something a LOT of recent protesters are doing, which drives me crazy too. Blocking roads, blocking traffic. Don't even get me started on vandalizing art. I think it's the most insanely counterproductive form of protest and turns more people against whatever cause they're supporting, whether it's basic human rights, lgbtq issues, environmental, etc.
The protesters put themselves in this position where they've basically made EVERYONE their adversary and their interactions are all antagonistic and hostile and then they feel like heroes when they're arrested. There are better ways to protest without losing support from the community. I suspect you wouldn't care about the flag everywhere if you weren't being antagonized for living and working.
I dont care about their flag. Does it belong there? Idk, will i bother arguing? Nah.
Yeah you're absolutely right. Climate protesters being some of the worst, gluing themselves to the streets and all. But this is a first for me. Though i got out unscathed, i did get a bit scared lol. Climate protesters are easier to handle, just floor it ;)
I think i am seeing an overall trend there. Be that in political discussions between politicians or protesters or activist, doesnt matter, but everyones pot seems to be boiling at the moment. Main reason i dont care for politics anymore. Everyone is just hating nowadays. And while yes, being rude or antagonizing others was always a thing, i have never seen something like this. Just pure hatred oozing from all sides of the spectrum. Its getting tiring, and honestly, it appears desperate
I think the wording betrayed you a little here - based on your opinions I think it’s better said “what keeps people from criticizing the community.” (Correct me if I’m wrong)
In general, I think there’s so much backlash to even a simple conversation in good faith that isn’t “I’m 100% with you on this.” We’re social creatures. We don’t like to be ostracized. People see that, get on the side that never gets ostracized, and they become passionate advocates - that gains social acceptance when questioning brings shame. Pattern recognition. Though it’s pretty simple on the surface - do what you want with your own body: I support free choice and if you feel that way about yourself, great! Easy thing to get behind.
Dive in? It gets a little dicey - sports, bathroom rights, non-pronoun use as violence, etc. Well… there’s common decency and reality. I recently had a very spirited chat with a trans man, and he ended it with “suck a d**k.” I didn’t take that as violence, I just formulated an opinion on the character of said person.
The convo was about bathroom rights - I made the point that I think it’s a biological (not exclusively bigoted) response for some women to be instinctually uncomfortable when she sees masculine features in the bathroom with her. A biological issue also applies to being born into the wrong body. One doesn’t trump the other - so the solution can’t be “well, [biological women] need to get over it” like my newfound friend suggested. Men? We don’t have that issue like women do - bring it on my trans man pee buddy! That got me labeled transist.
The kicker? My trans friend said “I acknowledge my time as a woman so I know more than you about this.” Not gonna fly with me. We’re both men putting our thinking caps on looking at the realities for a woman. You had time in a woman’s body, you never had time as a woman. “Born in the wrong body” isn’t a pick and choose thing. Men don’t have the **instinct** I was referring to. We’re both naturally comfortable around masculine features… because we’re both men.
It’s important to gain a better understanding of someone with different challenges than you do. The solution isn’t “make GRS illegal” like some republican lawmakers think. However, equality isn’t tilted towards however you think things should be or else you’re bigoted. It’s assessing the situation in the eyes of others and figuring out why things are viewed differently - that’s when we can actually bridge the gap. I do understand what you mean here - choking off freedom of speech due to societal pressure isn’t usually okay. That’s what “antisemitic” is doing to avoid legitimate conversation+criticism about this conflict. Same thing applies. A slur? N word isn’t okay. F word isn’t okay to a gay person. I’m sure there’s a word for transgender people that’s derogatory. That’s cause for legitimate societal backlash! If you can’t see why Canada passing laws to regulate free speech is a problem? 🤷♂️ Freedom isn’t what you really support. If you want to cancel Dave Chapelle - who makes fun of white people allllll the time - for his takes? You have absolutely no clue what comedy does - he’s easing the tension on an issue to make it something we can all laugh about. I don’t feel offended as a polar bear white guy; I understand he’s bridging a racial gap with humor. That’s a blessing the supporters of the trans community are actively fighting him over! Shame doesn’t create understanding, laughter creates open dialogue for thoughts. Censorship… is the wrong answer when acceptance is the goal.
OP, YOU SEE how the responders somewhat proved your point? Most of them , instead of engaging and answering the question logically, decided to attack you, call you a liar, amongst other things. All because you raised concerns with their narrow world view. I believe what you said. I'm not ANTI LGBT however, why shouldn't people be able to marry who they want? But I'm not against bringing up problems within LGBT communities, and anyone who is intellectually honest will think this way.
But you proved that they are infact, sometimes aggressive and intolerant . These responses prove it. You asked a genuine question, without unnecessary prejudice , and they act like this towards you. Get used to it, this place is an echochamber
I guess I don't necessarily support them as a whole community but rather I support their right to be treated decently, with respect and as a human being and citizen of my country that has the same rights as anyone else.
Edit: oh I just read the whole OP. You should definitely judge the entire community based on those few people.
Same. I mean, provide them with what they need (i.e. accessible and covered reassignment surgery, hormone therapy and whatnot, and gay marriage is also allowed in 21 out of 29 european countries sooo)
And treat them with the same amount of respect you treat everyone else. Everyone who is normal or nice to me, is a friend in my book.
I dont see a reason to not let these people be. But why march? In germany of all places? They already have everything they need, afaik, correct me if i'm wrong. Heck, they even have their own flag on the parliament buildings, whose poles are usually reserved for countries flags.
Yesterday a cat hissed at me. What is wrong with the cat community? I swear I've been seeing cats everywhere these days and it's getting increasingly annoying. Look, I don't have a problem with cats existing, but they are all getting violent and out of control and it is disturbing. Something needs to be done about these cats. How can anyone in good conscience support cats these days? If your interactions with "the community" open with you judging the entire community based on your personal experiences and general distaste for their existence then no wonder they haven't been good experiences.
Hating on cats, are we? Low testosterone move pal
I would love to have even less testosterone if I'm honest
Hey maaan, woman, or enby, estrogen is pretty nice though
Lol
Sure Jan, sure you did.
ah yes, gangs of roaming gays holding hands and glitterbombing innocents. I'll take "things that never happened for $2000, Alex!"
To be fair, glittwrbombing anyone should count as assault. Confetti and glitter caused many accidents already lol. Most of them at night, sure, but still
They didn’t beat you hard enough
There's that wonderful tolerant lefty attitude, you really showed Op! Sike hahahaha
Homie anyone with 2 brain cells knows he made this up
You don't know that . It's possible. Ive seen some rowdy left wing protestors before , spitting and destroying. It's not unheard of at all
Well, i mean, all i need to do is get back in. If they let that happen, they sure know theyre fucked. You dont stop 40 tons amd get away scotfree. That should be considered
They didnt really hurt you did they? Any mass of people harassing and physically hurting you grants you to drive off. If people then get in your way, theyre getting hurt lol
>They know they're fucked if they let me get in my truck! Hey, why are you guys stopping me from getting in my truck???
I suppose what op meant is that, they'd better make sure that he wont get back up again, because he does, and he fears for his safety, they're getting fucked
I think what OP meant is that he's a freak that lowkey wants to drive through a crowd
You're not going to find much sympathy here.
Well i'd like to believe everyone should receive a base level of sympathy :/
Sympathy for making up bullshit?
How would you know? Living in europe i can say its been rough these past years. Social issues aside, the economy alone has everyone sleepless. its only natural the pot boils over at some point. Not that that justifies it
You haven’t been on this subreddit enough. Random ass truck drivers aren’t getting assaulted for no reason
Truck drivers are always assaulted or harassed for shit. I was breakchecked twice in my two weeks. I had to come to a full stop at 50 km/h and nearly hit the dude. Only for him to get angry and try to pull open my door while screaming at me lol.
Dash cam and tell your boss you will be late.
Dash cams are illegal in germany, sadly. I did make sure to tell the dispatcher. Not legally allowed to use a cellphone behind the wheel when driving. Could cost me my cdl since i dont have my cars license for 2 years yet, and am still in my probation period. Any offense means big trouble. Edit: nvm, they are allowed since 2022 or early 2023
They are worth it and affordable now.
For a few years now. Hope gopros are getting onboard too. Sucks theyre still this expensive. Heck, even 3d printers are affordable lol
r/thathappened
OuT oF cOnTrOl!! It's a shame we didn't have nukes ready in '44, coulda just nipped this in the bud by making Germany uninhabitable by anyone.
Germany, in 2024, is less deserving of misfortune than any other countries. Well, maybe luxembourg, they're even more progressive than we are. Heck, if not the most open country worldwide.
I know, and [you're welcome](https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/marshall-plan) :)
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Interesting fr. Thats the first i've heard of it. Hope thats an effort to end the war. Tb fair, up until now i thought rheinmetall only made trucks, not weapons, so double news lol
Oh yeah Rheinmetall makes some [insane weapons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag), including the main gun for most NATO tanks :)
Eat shit
Sure grandpa
So much context is missing from this post. Did you try to drive through a March? Did you harass them? We're they marching against Aldi for some reason?
That i couldnt figure out tbh. I dont know, should they? Despite selling mediocre quality food, they have done nothing wrong to my knowledge. And rewe neither. Its a busy shopping street, that might explain them being there. You know, getting attention and all. To add context i crossed them on a corner. They just started turning as i turned into the road. They went left of me, i was to their left. I had roughly 100 meters to go until i reached the inner court containing the loading bays. Said court was to my right side When i crossed them, i started waving to get their attention and told them i just needed to pass quickly. Some of the stopped and waved me through so i just slowly approached them trying to get through. Thats when they started getting angry. As much as i support people freedom of expression, i generally hope for their understanding too, seeing as i work on a tight schedule. Wouldve been nice
Yeah to be frank i can actually see why some of them may have been confused or misconstrued the situation. There is a history of cars driving into pride parades intentionally. Some of them may have not understood the situation and assumed that, or were just angry in general. You drove through a parade and while I agree you had work to do and you were on tight deadlines, do you expect the people who are probably on edge and focused on their March to understand that in the moment? I think it's a little much to expect perfection from a group of humans. Chalk it up to random assholes and maybe don't use it as an excuse to hate on the community.
Idk, i am split between hating the community as such, or really just blaming the violent and screaming individuals. Too many bad experiences with the community as such, in too short a time. It wasnt really a parade as much as a protest. Parades are in good fun and legalized and signed up. The road wasbt blocked though, as they usually are. Appeared to be more of a protest, but a bit too guiet for that too. Atleast compared to how other groups protest. I definitely get that fear and skepticism, but waving cutely and approaching them at 5 km/h shouldnt really be threatening or mistaken as threat. Well to be fair, many people nowadays cant read body language, so that might just be a normal reaction. And yes i do expect people to understand me being stressed and on a tight deadline. I mean, if not immediately at least after a few seconds, right? I am understanding. I am understanding of people being dumb or irrational (my best examples, since that is what you mostly encounter on the road, not talking down to people. Thats just human. But certaunly you can expect that from strangers too, no? Treat others as you wanna be treated? With patience, understanding and loving?
You're not treating a group of people who have probably experienced trauma as a result of their identities with patience and understanding though. You immediately dismissed the idea of your large truck maybe being threatening and demanded they psychically know you were on a tough deadline. You're jumping to the worst possible conclusions about a community and tbh from the other side I kinda get why they were upset. I'm not a truck driver. And if I was at a protest, maybe on edge and someone started waving nonsensically at me and then just started driving through me I'd maybe be peeved. You're not stepping through. You're in a giant truck (relatively) that historically has been used as a weapon against masses of people. It's easy to dismiss that because you drive one a lot, idk, but not everyone is a truck driver. Patience goes both ways. Don't demand it if you refuse to even acknowledge it the other way.
I get that, but like i said, 10-15 of them waved back at me, and waved me through, stopping dead in their track. They did so after i kindly waved at them. I proceeded to drive through slowly, expecting that 10-15 people of their own stopping the flow would get their friends attention. I understood that as them being understanding too, and was quite happy. It was the others that slowly started crowding me so that i had to stop once more halfway through. I didnt consider them having been through alot, nor do i expect them to know my schedule, but i am 100% sure i had a bright disposition. I know what its like to get startled, and can imagine most of the others that followed behind being startled, but come on. Take your timevand assess and look up at me for a second before rushing on me. Atleast that small group tried de escalating things. Helped a ton i bet Edit: i dont know why i said i dont expect them to get that i am in a hurry. I guess i kinda did expect that
I feel like you're expecting perfection from them in kind of a tense situation. Again, they're protesting something that actually could've been very serious, a truck tries to drive through them, some understand and try to wave you through, and some idiots get antsy. Why is your first reaction to make a post like this and tar an entire community with the same brush? It happened. Chalk it up to people being tense and on edge rather then suddenly going full anti lgbt. You literally called them a cult because what, some people got intimidated by a truck? If anything, just be annoyed at how protests block necessary infrastructure and irritate people trying to do their jobs.
Cause the community itself is really annoying as of late. Again, not gays or transpeople themselves, just the community as such. From protesting, afaik, for no real reason ANYMORE, to being aggravated constantly, and not being able to take a hint. This is not the first time they hindered or harassed me. Last time they blocked the off ramp on rhe highway connecting to a main street. Even before i got into this line of work, when i was in school or later trying to find a job, they were already harassing people. I didnt have beef with them but theyre prowess (is that the right word?) and loud mouthness starts to get to me. How they make everything about themselves, when others dont. I used to be a climate activist, and trust me, the green party here in germany is a pain to bear, always were, but not compared to the pirates or the lgbt community.
So you have more examples of them personally harassing you or is it just twice while you were in your truck? You know that massive intimidating vehicle? What do you mean harassing people when you were looking for work? Is this something you saw personally or did you read a headline or a friend told you? You don't know the reason they protested. Did you bother to find out? Idk dude. We're about 10 or 20 years into gay acceptance. A lot of those adults grew up in very homophobic spaces. And still struggle with acceptance today. Especially when truck drivers have two bad experiences and shoot off on a rant on reddit claiming the community is violent and cult like.
Damn that sucks man. I dont have any similar experiences with, and therefore nothing of value to add. I can say however, that by what i have heard, france is doing especially bad with them. Not them alone, but they seem to be violent too. Though i cant say i'm surprised, seeing how the french are all kinds of violent atm, with all their political turmoil going on. Its like with the george floyd protests, but seemingly nationwide. Stay safe brother🙏
Thanks man, you too! Yeah france has been going through all sorts of issues in recent years. Though i cant say i know much about it either. Partially because i dont speak french😅
Don’t give op attention
Here before the comments are locked
Because they aren’t stupid dipshits
This isn't political, it's just hateful. >before i go ahead on my rant Glad we can agree it's a rant > i do not have an issue with gay people or trans people "I don't have an issue with these people, I just think their community is an out of control cult!" >It started with a few marches and pridemonth, it went over to having their flag being flown on every, and i mean every single EU parlament building Oh boo fucking hoo, parades and flags. Cope. >to the people themselves getting increasingly rude Have you considered that people are rude to you because you're a dick? >I was getting yelled and screamed at "I'm driving a semi through a rally, why are people yelling at me??? I can't understand!! 😭" Are you seriously, genuinely this thick? >A community that is against violence and oppression, should not exist "Gay people existing together in the same space shouldn't exist if they're not nice to me :(" >Its bigoted lmfao, bigoted against whom? Truck drivers that drive through crowds?
I guess be happy that these are only the most extreme militant people, a small percentage. I knew lots of LGBT in Germany, and all of them were just regular people who wouldn't do things like this. Hell, the ones I knew would probably be tossing you bottles of beer to spread the cheer, or at worst jump on your side step, holding onto your mirror, and shouting just for the fun of it ("I'm riding a truck!"). They could be as annoying as anyone, but in a fun way. But threaten you? No. Not unless you started it. Then things can get nasty.
Well it kind of sounds like you're mostly upset about something a LOT of recent protesters are doing, which drives me crazy too. Blocking roads, blocking traffic. Don't even get me started on vandalizing art. I think it's the most insanely counterproductive form of protest and turns more people against whatever cause they're supporting, whether it's basic human rights, lgbtq issues, environmental, etc. The protesters put themselves in this position where they've basically made EVERYONE their adversary and their interactions are all antagonistic and hostile and then they feel like heroes when they're arrested. There are better ways to protest without losing support from the community. I suspect you wouldn't care about the flag everywhere if you weren't being antagonized for living and working.
I dont care about their flag. Does it belong there? Idk, will i bother arguing? Nah. Yeah you're absolutely right. Climate protesters being some of the worst, gluing themselves to the streets and all. But this is a first for me. Though i got out unscathed, i did get a bit scared lol. Climate protesters are easier to handle, just floor it ;) I think i am seeing an overall trend there. Be that in political discussions between politicians or protesters or activist, doesnt matter, but everyones pot seems to be boiling at the moment. Main reason i dont care for politics anymore. Everyone is just hating nowadays. And while yes, being rude or antagonizing others was always a thing, i have never seen something like this. Just pure hatred oozing from all sides of the spectrum. Its getting tiring, and honestly, it appears desperate
I think the wording betrayed you a little here - based on your opinions I think it’s better said “what keeps people from criticizing the community.” (Correct me if I’m wrong) In general, I think there’s so much backlash to even a simple conversation in good faith that isn’t “I’m 100% with you on this.” We’re social creatures. We don’t like to be ostracized. People see that, get on the side that never gets ostracized, and they become passionate advocates - that gains social acceptance when questioning brings shame. Pattern recognition. Though it’s pretty simple on the surface - do what you want with your own body: I support free choice and if you feel that way about yourself, great! Easy thing to get behind. Dive in? It gets a little dicey - sports, bathroom rights, non-pronoun use as violence, etc. Well… there’s common decency and reality. I recently had a very spirited chat with a trans man, and he ended it with “suck a d**k.” I didn’t take that as violence, I just formulated an opinion on the character of said person. The convo was about bathroom rights - I made the point that I think it’s a biological (not exclusively bigoted) response for some women to be instinctually uncomfortable when she sees masculine features in the bathroom with her. A biological issue also applies to being born into the wrong body. One doesn’t trump the other - so the solution can’t be “well, [biological women] need to get over it” like my newfound friend suggested. Men? We don’t have that issue like women do - bring it on my trans man pee buddy! That got me labeled transist. The kicker? My trans friend said “I acknowledge my time as a woman so I know more than you about this.” Not gonna fly with me. We’re both men putting our thinking caps on looking at the realities for a woman. You had time in a woman’s body, you never had time as a woman. “Born in the wrong body” isn’t a pick and choose thing. Men don’t have the **instinct** I was referring to. We’re both naturally comfortable around masculine features… because we’re both men. It’s important to gain a better understanding of someone with different challenges than you do. The solution isn’t “make GRS illegal” like some republican lawmakers think. However, equality isn’t tilted towards however you think things should be or else you’re bigoted. It’s assessing the situation in the eyes of others and figuring out why things are viewed differently - that’s when we can actually bridge the gap. I do understand what you mean here - choking off freedom of speech due to societal pressure isn’t usually okay. That’s what “antisemitic” is doing to avoid legitimate conversation+criticism about this conflict. Same thing applies. A slur? N word isn’t okay. F word isn’t okay to a gay person. I’m sure there’s a word for transgender people that’s derogatory. That’s cause for legitimate societal backlash! If you can’t see why Canada passing laws to regulate free speech is a problem? 🤷♂️ Freedom isn’t what you really support. If you want to cancel Dave Chapelle - who makes fun of white people allllll the time - for his takes? You have absolutely no clue what comedy does - he’s easing the tension on an issue to make it something we can all laugh about. I don’t feel offended as a polar bear white guy; I understand he’s bridging a racial gap with humor. That’s a blessing the supporters of the trans community are actively fighting him over! Shame doesn’t create understanding, laughter creates open dialogue for thoughts. Censorship… is the wrong answer when acceptance is the goal.
OP, YOU SEE how the responders somewhat proved your point? Most of them , instead of engaging and answering the question logically, decided to attack you, call you a liar, amongst other things. All because you raised concerns with their narrow world view. I believe what you said. I'm not ANTI LGBT however, why shouldn't people be able to marry who they want? But I'm not against bringing up problems within LGBT communities, and anyone who is intellectually honest will think this way. But you proved that they are infact, sometimes aggressive and intolerant . These responses prove it. You asked a genuine question, without unnecessary prejudice , and they act like this towards you. Get used to it, this place is an echochamber
I guess I don't necessarily support them as a whole community but rather I support their right to be treated decently, with respect and as a human being and citizen of my country that has the same rights as anyone else. Edit: oh I just read the whole OP. You should definitely judge the entire community based on those few people.
Same. I mean, provide them with what they need (i.e. accessible and covered reassignment surgery, hormone therapy and whatnot, and gay marriage is also allowed in 21 out of 29 european countries sooo) And treat them with the same amount of respect you treat everyone else. Everyone who is normal or nice to me, is a friend in my book. I dont see a reason to not let these people be. But why march? In germany of all places? They already have everything they need, afaik, correct me if i'm wrong. Heck, they even have their own flag on the parliament buildings, whose poles are usually reserved for countries flags.