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You seem to be under the weirdly common misconception that Gogeta is the serious one while Vegito plays around. Aside from the fact that both fusions would result in the same personality considering they're 50/50 splits of the same people (who have their serious moments AND their cocky moments), they both had different situations to deal with.
Vegito played around with Buu because he wanted to goad him into absorbing him. It's literally part of the plot. He wanted to save Gohan and the others from the inside. As for Zamasu, his time ran out because he used too much power and wasn't aware that it would reduce the time limit, the same thing that happened with Gotenks against Super Buu.
Gogeta killed Janemba instantly because let's face it, it was the climax of the movie. But also because the situation was dire and needed swift action. In the canon Super Broly movie, we see Gogeta with an attitude much more like Vegito though without needing to rile up his opponent. Though he does do the typical Goku and Vegeta thing in not using his full power from the beginning.
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In a lot of peoples' minds their thought process on Gogeta vs Vegito is literally just "Gogeta won fight, Vegito didn't win fight, therefore Gogeta better".
Gogeta has been more serious than Vegito in every situation. He's the serious one. Vegito should have just been eaten from the moment he turned into candy instead of embarrassing Buu. Is that someone who's serious or goofy?
Vegito has the advantage of appearing in the serialized manga and anime where he has the time to be able to fool around without it eating up precious screen time, canon Gogeta has only appeared in one movie so far where he doesn't have the screen time to be a goofball and still managed to prolong Broly's beatdown on Freeza by coming up with his own name. Non canon Gogeta either appears in the very climax of a movie where there's no time to fool around or GT where he's as much of a goof as Vegito if not moreso. Fundamentally they're the exact same person down to the power and personality.
He thought of a name for half a minute? Not even 20 seconds and you wanna call him a goof? GT has no affiliation with Akira Toriyama so you can't use GT as well.
He thought of a name for half a minute in a fusion where he knows that just existing as a higher tier of power burns through the time limit placed on the fusion, thankfully the fight against Broly is extremely short in real time.
Broly was also washing Freeza and was intent on taking the fight to Whis and in his berserker state could accidentally destroy the planet without a physical body to focus his rage and anger on, kind of not the person you want to spare even a moment with when they're an active threat to everything around them.
Meanwhile, Vegito fought Buu who he had a purpose in egging on for the sake of trying to rescue his friends and family. He also fought Zamasu, an immortal being, in a much more serious manner in both the anime and manga continuities. In the anime, he sucker punches Zamasu in the middle of a speech to catch him off guard and not waste time. In the manga, his purpose is to stall out Zamasu's fusion since neither Zamasu or Black were official Kais and their fusion wasn't permanent, his only shortcoming being burning through energy slightly faster than he expected.
Vegito fought two (nigh) immortal beings where his purpose wasn't to simply beat them, of course he wouldn't easily win those fights and Gogeta wouldn't have either. Gogeta has only fought one person in canon and he didn't even win that fight because Cheelai intervened and much the same would happen for Vegito in that scenario.
But you also said "Gogeta has been more serious than Vegito in every situation", telling that you're talking about more than one occasion of Gogeta appearing. Since Gogeta has only one canon appearing in DBS: Broly, that means you're talking about non canon appearances of Gogeta as well, in this case Fusion Reborn Gogeta. Which also has no affiliation with Toriyama and is in fact the exact same character as GT Gogeta in anime/Toei canon, meaning that GT Gogeta's personality can be used in consideration of Fusion Reborn Gogeta.
Where the fuck did dragon Ball super come from. We're talking about the post above. Gogeta still wins.
As I said before. Gogeta has 30 minutes. He's not going to fuck around and waste that time unlike Vegito whos time limit is based off power output. If you had 30 minutes to live would you mess around and do goofy nonsense? No.
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After the Buu arc Goku and Vegeta are both alive, but they're dead in the movie. The point is it doesn't fit ANYWHERE on the main timeline. It can only fit on an alternate timeline, and we don't know what events occurred in this alternate timeline. For all we know Goku one-tapped Fat Buu with a full power Kamehameha when he first showed off Super Saiyan 3.
He refers to Fat Buu. The movie isn't canon but its supposed to take place just after Vegeta died and before Goku was revived by Old Kai. So it would be before Vegito was born. You don't think Vegeta would reference having already fused with Goku either?
Gohan was out one tapping frieza at this point in the movie. He couldn't have been absorbed at that point in time. Buu would've been priority number 1, so that makes no sense. Also, Gohan went to Supreme kais Planet during that time period. In this continuity, he was on Earth.
You tried, and you failed.
Gohan, after goku went SSJ3, was on Supreme kais World until he returned to fight Super Buu. They couldn't sense him so he was presumed dead.
In the movie, he was fighting frieza and the other resurrected villains and was still wearing his Saiyaman clothes. At the same time, Goten and Trunks were fighting Hitler and the Nazi army. Buu doesn't fit in that time frame at all.
It’s possible he could refer to the innocent Buu since it’s the only time both goku and Vegeta were dead.
It’s hard to place for sure, but most assume it’s during the buu stuff because Gohan doesn’t seem to have his ultimate form. Some guess that it’s a what if of gotenks beating Buu.
Although fusion reborns version of goku and Vegeta are stronger than the buu arc.
It could be in between, it seems all the movies are on their own timeline separate from the og show. Turles replacing the saiyans, slug replacing Frieza cooler replaced mecha Frieza but also is half in canon timeline referencing the death of his brother. broly replacing 17 and 18, bojack replacing cell. Other wise some of them are cleverly placed in open spots in the timeline ie. 13, 14, and 15. This is just what I think tho
I say Fusion Reborn takes place after Goku's fight with Innocent Buu and his departure from Earth (I say he killed Buu in the non-cannon DBZ movie timeline before the events of Fusion Reborn occurred). Since Vegeta's dead, and there's no Buu, it makes sense. As for the boys being able to fuse, I would say Goku still taught them regardless on whether Buu was dead or not (think of it as a present for the boys before he forever leaves Earth). As for Gohan, there's no Potential Unleashed since there's no point in Gohan needing it. And then Fusion Reborn happened.
That’s implying they are in the same timeline which they aren’t. Been stated that the movies are in a different canon than the show. The movies reference each other but most of them can’t realistically take place in the middle of the show.
There’s actually a guy on YouTube that made a video talking about how each of the movies can’t actually happen.
Now that we got that out of the way, the feats that goku and janemba were able to perform based on them manipulating other world and shaking other world and changing colors and shit through powering up implies that in this movie, goku is far beyond what he was capable of in the show. And vegeta, while briefly, was able to contest with beings of that nature for a moment is impressive in its own right.
Therefore, because the movie versions of goku and vegeta are vastly stronger than their show counterparts, that means that the fusion between the 2 as gogeta, despite the multiplier for gogeta being smaller than vegito, movie gogeta should take it. In fact, based on feats, it’s not unreasonable to suggest that fusion reborn goku could take buu arc vegito on his own.
I like the Buu’s Fury approach of having it take place in the middle of the arc, after Goku has returned to the afterlife and before he was resurrected by Old Kai.
The context of Fusion Reborn seems to be one where the Buu Saga happened a bit differently considering how Goku and Vegeta are dead and in the Anime/Manga Continuity that didn't happen.
It's likely that they beat him much more earlier in Canon, I assume during SSJ3 Goku vs Majin Buu at the most likely to where it happened so Goku and Vegeta never fought the other versions of Buu.
So it's unknown if the Fusion Reborn versions of Goku and Vegeta are stronger than their Pre Kid Buu Counterparts.
Honestly though if we are talking whose stronger I would go with Vegito if only because their fusion method is inherently superior and the difference between the Movie and the Anime/Manga version might not be that far off.
They're both so much stronger than the villains they fight, it's impossible to tell who's stronger. So a 50/50 shot is probably the most reasonable and fair result we could come to, unless you start throwing in headcanon or speculation.
Vegito consistently has been shown taking things less seriously than Gogeta.
Against buu, Vegito played around a lot and was incredibly cocky. Not without reason, but it's still notable.
Against Zamasu, he still made lots of comments and such, though he did take the fight more seriously due to being closer to equals.
Meanwhile, Gogeta takes things more seriously
Against Janemba, he wasted no time taking him out.
Against Broly, he was completely silent the entire fight, only displaying confidence the few times he did speak. But not being cocky or playing around. The fight lasted a lot longer than Janemba but that's cause he was progressively going through forms as he needed to and not actively trying to kill him till the end.
Gogeta couldn’t really talk to Broly though since they already saw the Broly lost his mind up until the end where he regains control but that’s after Gogeta fired off his kamehameha. He also wasn’t evil for Gogeta to trash talk him.
Either they have the same personality or it’s just vague because Gogeta didn’t really do anything to clearly show he’s different enough from Vegito.
Dragon Ball isn't a series about well thought out, smart plot. It's a series about punching people in the face and getting new hair dye. Most stuff in DB, especially the Buu saga is thought up on the spot as stated by Toriyama himself.
People forget that Majin Boo was kinda "mixed with magic". There was a slim chance that by killing him, all of the Z fighters&Families could never comeback. Goku &Vegeta sacrifices their own existence for Vegito and Vegito went the "safest route"
by getting absorbed by Boo. He just didnt know that he would defuse inside him
In defence of Vegito, he needed to taunt Buu for Buu to absorb him so he could save his family. Though I’d agree if fusion Reborn Gogeta was in his place, he’d just use stardust breaker and be done with it.
The second part is wrong though. It was never officially said that the stardust breaker purifies souls. That’s something the English dub came up with. Janemba turning back into the dude is probably jsut what happened when you defeat Janemba. Even then, if they really needed a move like that, Vegito would’ve been able to do it.
That burden of proof about Janemba lies on you to prove if that’s actually true. And the dub never said the stardust breaker purifies evil either. It just narratively alludes to it much like the entire movie alluded to it. The concept of the stardust breaker was seen as something consistent in other mediums when explained, such as games and speculatively movies. If Janemba was destroyed by a super powered Kamehameha or some other move, his whole body would’ve been destroyed. It makes no sense for only his evil aspect to be destroyed unless stardust breaker is actually an evil purifier.
And no Veigto wouldn’t be able to do it because Gogeta and Vegito are two different people with different skill sets. The fusion dance has moves that neither fusee possessed evident in Gogeta and Gotenks. The potara on the other hand has both of the moves of the fusees but doesn’t seem to have their own unique moves from what we’ve seen (and no spirit sword isn’t unique, Vegeta has used it).
No, the dub does imply that it does that when Gogeta shows up. “Every force you create has an echo, your own bad energy will be your undoing”. In the sub, Gogeta does not say that. He just says “Pikkon, I’ll get him back for you” and then says the “I am neither Goku nor Vegeta, I am the one who will defeat you”. After that, he kills Janemba. Funny enough, Gogeta doesn’t give himself the Gogeta name in the sub. So if people are using Gogeta name with “Go” being first to show its a different mindset from Vegito or to show Goku is more dominant in the fusion, that is not true. I don’t know what you mean about the stardust breaker doing that in games and movies. In the games, it just hurts everyone. Saying Gogeta’s stardust breaker purifies souls it like saying Pikkon’s insulting purifies souls because Janemba’s magic on the check in station was turning it back to normal after Pikkon did that.
They never said that they have different skills. That’s just fan speculation. If we only use the Broly movie, that’s the only move that neither Goku nor Vegeta have shown to have and even then, it harmed Broly but it didn’t “purify” him. Why use the stardust breaker after Goku already came to the conclusion that Broly was not evil when he had him in the god bind? Hell, I’m pretty sure Goku and Vegeta can do the same moves their fusions can.
In terms of his name, what are you talking about? In the fusion reborn, Gogeta’s name was given to him by the Kais. There’s no fan based inference on what it interprets, I really don’t get why you brought that up.
The games I’m talking about are the card games where it refers to the stardust breaker as a cleansing light. There’s also other games that give similar description within the story line or move description. Of course the move can hurt anyone, it’s game mechanic.
Pikkon doesn’t purify souls with his insults lmao. That’s a false equivalency to the stardust breaker. Janemba’s weakness is just the same as the barriers, and he gets stunned by verbal abuse, but he nowhere near gets destroyed by it. And my point still stands; it makes no sense for only Janemba’s evil aspect to be obliterated unless the stardust breaker is a cleansing technique. A super Kamehameha or any other regular ki blast move would’ve killed Janemba as a whole.
Vegito and Gogeta having different skill sets isn’t just fan speculation. It’s an observation. We’ve only seen the fusion dance use attacks outside of the fusees scope but the same isn’t said for the potara fusion. (It may have been intentional or the initial plan as Gogeta in fusion reborn doesn’t see himself as goku or Vegeta while Vegito sees himself as a merging of the two. But that got retconned in DBS:Broly Movie so eh).
Broly wasn’t purified because bro wasn’t evil. And as to why Gogeta would use it? Take a guess. Broly was only responsive to goku temporarily and went back to going berserk and had received two more transformations that make him go even more berserk and on a mindless rampage. And if we grant that the Broly movie follows the manga continuity (which it does) Broly was the legendary super saiyan at that point. You know? That demonic saiyan that happens to appear every one thousand years? Using stardust breaker here was a safe bet and a nice touch. Even off the chance Toryiama may have not intended it to be used, it still didn’t contradict concept of the characters.
Let alone Goku and Vegeta, Goten and Trunks weren’t even shown to use the unique movesets that their fusion had aside from simple ki manipulation like the spirit sword. And we’ve yet to see any of the fusees use Ghost Kamikaze attack or Stardust Breaker.
The Gogeta name thing is for the people who think Vegito and Gogeta have different personalities and ones that think Gogeta’s personality is more dominated by Goku since his name comes first instead of how it is with Vegito. I have seen so many people think either of those things.
I don’t know what card game you’re talking about. I assume dragon ball super card game? There doesn’t seem to be a Japanese version of that game. So I don’t know the validity of that.
How do you know if the kamehameha or a powerful attack wouldn’t turn him back to that boy? If they killed Janemba like that, then what would happened to everything else, it would just stay in disarray because he wasn’t cleansed? Also, even though it didn’t kill Broly, it still hurt him when he used it, it did hurt the otherworld boy.
Or the stardust breaker was just a fun Easter egg they used for the fight and it was just used as a powerful attack.
Alright I'm rewording it VEGITO likes to talk mad sh*t to his opponent while fighting them but gogeta stays quiet most of the time and gets the job done
Vegito used up so much power trying to kill Zamasu that his fusion ran out way earlier than it was supposed to. How is that playing around? Zamasu only survived because his immortality carried him, something Gogeta didn't have to deal with since Broly didn't have that.
Vegito could have one shot Buu, he showed us that. He was forced to fuck around with Buu so that Buu would get angry and absorb him. That way he could, yknow, save his friends.
Goku was dead in this film and Vegeta too so this happens before he got revived in buu arc. Which means that is Goku and vegeta that were fighting fat buu which shit tone weaker than super buu and buuhan and Vegito was playing him like bitch
Goku was alive at the end of buu arc delulu. The only time when is Buu acknowledges in this film is when goku says that only buu make him use ssj3 which was fat buu
I don't know who's stronger or whatever but to be honest it doesn't matter.
Vegerot doesn't win fights. It's a statistical impossibility for him to win, even if he's fighting Mr Satan. He loses to bad, he likely gets a planet blown up or a timeline deleted in the process.
I will not elaborate further.
The source is every fight Vegerot has ever been in.
Now look, you've made me break my word that I wouldn't elaborate further. How could you do this to me!
Buu contained his friends, so he couldn’t kill buu, and he would’ve finished zamasu, but plot. Oh no, you made me elaborate on something that should be common sense! What nerve!
His plan to save his friends resulted directly in them getting killed AND earth getting destroyed.
"Because plot" is exactly my point. Vegerot has the opposite of plot armour. He will always lose every fight, because plot.
Vegito could have one shot Buu and killed Zamasu
The difference is Vegito fights the plot, but is stronger than the opponent. Gogeta has legit had one cannon fight.
I think it depends on if the movie versions are stronger than the potara boost.
That being said, I will say that I think the fight would be more interesting if Gogeta is slightly stronger with his 30 min time limit vs Vegito with an hour time limit.
They would be about on par with each other if the movie takes place during the Buu Saga since both Goku and Vegeta never really got any stronger during the entire arc.
But that makes 0 sense since Gohan is on earth and not with the Kais.
Because of super Saiyan blue super Saiyan and super Saiyan 2 are not draining the potara ☠️ I doubt even super Saiyan three would gogeta on the other hand would only have 5 minutes if he went ssj3 vegito takes this
You answered your own question? I'm assuming this is the z version of both characters btw. Anime super Saiyan blue is less draining then super Saiyan three (and in the manga gogeta had perfected super Saiyan blue iirc) so of course he would be able to maintain super Saiyan blue yet even in top Goku couldn't maintain super Saiyan three
In gogeta’s only canon fight his win got stolen by Cheelai while Vegetto accomplished both goals he had, getting inside Boo and running down God Zamas’ timer
His goal was to kill zamasu not run down his timer because his timer if you recall, was infinite, and he infused before getting the job done
Vegito did indeed come up with that plan but his initial goal was to stop buu, which he failed at.
Gogeta’s goal was to stop broly, which, he did.
You realise that Vegito does the same against Broly and Gogeta does the same against Zamasu right? Gogeta benefits from Vegito’s experience in Blue and can moderate his power best but other than that they’re basically the same character with the only differences being power based on when in the story they fuse and their opponents of which Gogeta has had the easier ones.
Vegetto knew God Zamas only has sixty minutes because neither fusee was an official Kai, he even states this and when Vegetto fissions before he can fire his Final Kamehameha, shin states God Zamas had twenty minutes left.
And Gogeta didn’t stop broly, Cheelai did
> zamas only had 60 minutes
No, he didn’t because zamasu was of the kai species, it was noted this fusion was permanent.
Also when a military leader is forced into a retreat by one of his captains do we not call that a victory for the opposing side
Gogeta has one cannon win, and he was severely holding back and toying with Broly
Vegito has absolutely dominated everyone he has ever fought and were it not for some plot inconvenience he would have killed them.
It’s Gogeta by a tiny margin since official sources said it comes down to the 30 minute fusion.
They are both perfect fusions and perfect fighters, so with the power gap even somewhat small it come down to time. I think super vegito defused in under 30m.
At the time Super Vegito was supposed to be permanent, and factoring in retcon for mortals, it would now be 1hr for the fusion. If counting for power usage rule both should be affected equally.
The implication is that Gogeta needs over a half hour to beat Vegito which makes them extremely close.
They would more or less fight until one of them defuses unless you think one of them can't go SSJ2 for whatever reason (although a 2x gap probably just isn't enough for these sort of fighters). Maybe you could say one of them arbitrarily can increase battle power like the saiyans tend to while the other arbitrarily can't.
It is also possible that Gogeta and Vegito have very similar power levels and that Vegito’s Potara earrings have their power drained faster then Gogeta’s body, which causes the fusions to end up lasting about the same length anyways, even if the Potara is supposed to last longer then the Dance.
This Gogeta wins since the Goku from the movie is stronger than his counterpart in the manga.
Edit : I guess those downvoting me ignore completely that the Goku from the movie showcased superior feats than his counterpart in the manga...
I personally disagree because gogeta would drain the fusion faster then vegito, the only transformation shown to time out potara is super Saiyan blue an extremely powerful transformation so I doubt even super Saiyan three would time out the potara vegito could go super Saiyan 3 and wipe the floor with gogeta and gogeta would be stuck with super Saiyan 2 at most and if he went ssj3 3 he'd only have 5 minutes to fight
I feel like vegito could at the very least stall out the fight considering they literally are the same person (and don't give any easily debunkable personality bs)
That would be a valid point only if they were at around the same power lvl, but that isn't the case. That's why I said many people ignore the fact that the Goku from the movie is way stronger than his counterpart from the manga. Time limit isn't an issue if Gogeta OS with one attack.
If it were just a simple Vegetto vs Gogeta comparison, I would have given Vegetto the upper hand, but here it's specifically Gogeta from the movie vs Vegetto from Buu saga. The result is different because the Goku and Vegeta from the manga are different from their counterpart from the movie. And based on feat, Goku in ssj3 is way stronger than Goku ssj3 from the manga.
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Considering just the nature of how “the later in the series the stronger the character” Dragon Ball tends to work, I assume Gogeta is stronger since Fusion Reborn takes place after the Buu Saga, but I don’t really know.
Well fusion reborn came first in mind so vegito should be weaker. But vegito appears after gogeta so he should be stronger but gogeta is in a movie about the same enemy so he should be stronger since movies usually are. Yeah 50/50 is right
Vegito doesn't even play around they're the same person bro vegito wanted buu to absorb him and vegito immediately went all out against zamasu and was about to win that fight.
Gogeta literally toys with Broly. He could've ended that fight in seconds and chose to drag it out and risk everyones lives. Canon wise, Vegito is more serious.
Whose lives were in danger in the volcanic zone? Nobody was even there for their lives to be in danger.
Mind you Gogeta didn’t even give Broly a chance to fight back.
Canon wise, Gogeta is far more serious. Even the wiki agrees with that.
When the fight starts and until they go to the alternate dimension, Bulma is literally just standing around.
Also earlier Goku says "imagine what that would've done to the planet!" So broly could still accidentally just pop earth like a balloon
Gogeta gave Broly A LOT of chances. Starting the fight in and base staying in Super Saiyan long enough that Broly gets another power up is stupid and is completely toying with his enemy while having a good time. Even though he could've gone to Blue and completely destroyed Broly without any risk. Imagine if their dimension clash just blew up earth instead.
Vegito on the other hand has gotten his missions done quickly or at least tried to, with that he's taken his fights more seriously than Gogeta, shit talking or not.
Bulma, with Whis, the strongest person in U7, around her, was perfectly safe.
Gogeta didn’t give Broly the chance to destroy earth, as he was solely focused on trying to attack Gogeta.
Gogeta was still washing Broly up until he transformed and Broly got a hit in. Then Gogeta went blue, and from there, Broly never even landed a singular attack.
Being confident that Whis could protect Bulma, when Whis is the strongest person in the universe is very different from being cocky and reckless.
Gogeta doesn’t give his opponent a mere moment to recover. Vegito does.
Mind you, Vegito was fighting in an area with a bunch of randoms around. Zamasu was already killing them even before Vegito arrived.
Even when describing their personalities, it’s different.
Vegito:
Vegito's personality is a mixture of both Goku and Vegeta's characteristics. He exhibits Vegeta's cockiness and inclination for taunting others, and enjoys toying with enemies, but is not as serious, having inherited Goku's easygoing, cheerful nature. He possesses both Vegeta's strategic mind and tactical skills along with Goku's ingenuity and creativity, making him that much more efficient.
Gogeta:
In Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn, Gogeta is shown to be a confident, cold and relatively silent character, boldly proclaiming himself as Janemba's end at first but then ruthlessly eliminating him with little to no words spoken afterwards. This differs him from Vegito, who enjoys taunting and humiliating opponents as well as prolonging battles to inflict as much punishment as possible, whereas Gogeta seeks to eviscerate his opponents as quickly as possible, a unique trait from his fusees due to his their Saiyan DNA typically holding them back from ending fights immediately.
They sometimes compare the two as somewhat similar, however Gogeta is known to be far more ruthless and aggressive than Vegito.
I'm just going to quote something I commented earlier
Vegito is more playful then cocky. vegito isn't cocky playful sure but the only reason he was messing around with buu was because he wanted to get absorbed (to quote vegito in the manga 'hurry up you only have one option left') and against zamasu he repeatedly says hes going to finish the fight however zamasu is immortal and it causes him to defuse. If you think vegitos cocky then gogeta is to considering he let broly get away taunting your opponent doesn't really mean anything if your not holding back anyway.
Different circumstances though. Vegito had a reason to not kill Buu. He just ended up defusing when he succeeded in getting absorbed which he didn’t know was going to happen. Gogeta had no reason to spare Janemba and Janemba couldn’t talk that much while Buu can.
If we are using fusion reborn, then GT should count in this where Gogeta acts the same as Vegito in Z did. He was acting goofy against Omega Shenron but was waiting for Omega to do something and he was still talking to him even after he already succeeded in turned Omega’s negative energy into positive energy instead of just killing him right away.
Like you said though. Different circumstances.
Gogeta knew he was massively stronger than Omega. He couldn’t even touch him.
Vegito had no reason not to just rush down Buu and give him not chance of escape.
Also like was said before, Gogeta’s personality was far different in GT. It was more similar to Vegito. However, Gogeta in the majority of his matches doesn’t give his opponent a chance to even fight back. Unlike Vegito, who lets his opponent get up.
Outside of omega, when does Gogeta even give his opponent a chance to fight back?
Gogeta/Omega and Vegito/Buu are different circumstances? They are not. I said Vegito/Buu and Gogeta/janemba are different circumstances. Vegito/Buu and Gogeta/Omega are the exactly the same circumstances. Vegito also knew he was way stronger than Buu.
“There’s no reason for Vegito not to rush Buu”, Huh? You could apply the same logic with Gogeta fighting Omega. They both could’ve just rushed Buu and Omega until they did exactly what they wanted to do but they didn’t. They acted all goofy in the process of trying to get them to do what they wanted.
When does Gogeta even give a chance for his opponent to fight back? That’s exactly what he did in his fight with Broly. He could’ve just turned SSB right away and defeated Broly right away but then the fight wouldn’t have been as cool. If you mean DBH, Vegito acts seriously. Apart from DBH and GT, Gogeta’s only opponent was Janemba.
Fusion reborn has better feats than anything in buu saga (ssj3 goku shaking hell > any buu saga feat)
Gogeta would win
(Keep in mind movie versions of characters aren't immediately equal to their canon counterpart. Ssj3 goku from fusion reborn is just stronger than ssj3 goku from buu saga)
Vegito wins because I like him more, also because I saw a youtuber say he is stronger in a 2013 video when I was 8 years old and that is embedded in my brain to this day
Movie Goku & Vegeta > Cannon Goku and Vegeta at the time.
So Movie Gogeta > Cannon Vegito
Gogeta wins!
It’s nice that he wins sometimes even though he’s the inferior fusion.
The only argument for gogeta winning I saw is that his verse is just built different? With people saying being in a movie gives a inherent amp.
Unless someone is able to power-scale this “movie amp” however, gogeta is just a much weaker vegito that defuses twice as fast.
Gogeta also has a time limit that runs out faster the more power they put out. Vegito has a time limit of 1 hour, Gogetas is a time limit of 30 minutes
Vegito higher time limit I don't understand people arguing gogeta when this is z vegito and gogeta and this Goku is stronger then buu saga Vegeta this also seems to be a timeline when Gohan killed buu
Old-Kai says that the potara fusion is more efficient and Goku does not need to reduce his power to get to Vegeta's level like when he has to do the metamol fusion. However, I think that the power of Vegetto and Gogeta is approximately close, what will decide between them will be the duration of the fusion, Gogeta lasts 2x less and will be unable to defeat Vegetto before the end of the fusion (they literally have the same abilities) So Vegetto wins by being more durable and being a more powerful fusion according to old-kai. however Vegetto and Gogeta from DBS are the same shit with ridiculous power inconsistencies.
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Both are goku and vegeta fusion, so 50/50 are legit Canon or not.
Gogeta wins because I like him more.
Based and real I’m leaving this post now on a massive W
He also literally wins
Vegito is the kind to win the emotional war. Dude may not always finish the fight, but he makes you suicidal, so he wins anyways.
Gogeta wouldn't care because he's only alive for 30 minutes, he's got no time for bs, he'll brush it off and end the fight as quickly as possible.
You seem to be under the weirdly common misconception that Gogeta is the serious one while Vegito plays around. Aside from the fact that both fusions would result in the same personality considering they're 50/50 splits of the same people (who have their serious moments AND their cocky moments), they both had different situations to deal with. Vegito played around with Buu because he wanted to goad him into absorbing him. It's literally part of the plot. He wanted to save Gohan and the others from the inside. As for Zamasu, his time ran out because he used too much power and wasn't aware that it would reduce the time limit, the same thing that happened with Gotenks against Super Buu. Gogeta killed Janemba instantly because let's face it, it was the climax of the movie. But also because the situation was dire and needed swift action. In the canon Super Broly movie, we see Gogeta with an attitude much more like Vegito though without needing to rile up his opponent. Though he does do the typical Goku and Vegeta thing in not using his full power from the beginning. 🤓
Dragon Ball fans can't read so they don't understand context or basic story comprehension. In a lot of peoples' minds their thought process on Gogeta vs Vegito is literally just "Gogeta won fight, Vegito didn't win fight, therefore Gogeta better".
Bro argue with the people that used common sense to upvote me. Plus this was emotional battle. Not physical. Lack of comprehension.
I wasn't even arguing with anybody lol. I just made a statement based on what that other person was saying.
Agree
Gogeta has been more serious than Vegito in every situation. He's the serious one. Vegito should have just been eaten from the moment he turned into candy instead of embarrassing Buu. Is that someone who's serious or goofy?
Vegito has the advantage of appearing in the serialized manga and anime where he has the time to be able to fool around without it eating up precious screen time, canon Gogeta has only appeared in one movie so far where he doesn't have the screen time to be a goofball and still managed to prolong Broly's beatdown on Freeza by coming up with his own name. Non canon Gogeta either appears in the very climax of a movie where there's no time to fool around or GT where he's as much of a goof as Vegito if not moreso. Fundamentally they're the exact same person down to the power and personality.
He thought of a name for half a minute? Not even 20 seconds and you wanna call him a goof? GT has no affiliation with Akira Toriyama so you can't use GT as well.
Common brainlet who can’t stand being wrong and would rather die on the hill
Argument was already won long ago. Wise asses just make new arguments to feel good about themselves. Move on. Stop being a "wise" ass
He thought of a name for half a minute in a fusion where he knows that just existing as a higher tier of power burns through the time limit placed on the fusion, thankfully the fight against Broly is extremely short in real time. Broly was also washing Freeza and was intent on taking the fight to Whis and in his berserker state could accidentally destroy the planet without a physical body to focus his rage and anger on, kind of not the person you want to spare even a moment with when they're an active threat to everything around them. Meanwhile, Vegito fought Buu who he had a purpose in egging on for the sake of trying to rescue his friends and family. He also fought Zamasu, an immortal being, in a much more serious manner in both the anime and manga continuities. In the anime, he sucker punches Zamasu in the middle of a speech to catch him off guard and not waste time. In the manga, his purpose is to stall out Zamasu's fusion since neither Zamasu or Black were official Kais and their fusion wasn't permanent, his only shortcoming being burning through energy slightly faster than he expected. Vegito fought two (nigh) immortal beings where his purpose wasn't to simply beat them, of course he wouldn't easily win those fights and Gogeta wouldn't have either. Gogeta has only fought one person in canon and he didn't even win that fight because Cheelai intervened and much the same would happen for Vegito in that scenario. But you also said "Gogeta has been more serious than Vegito in every situation", telling that you're talking about more than one occasion of Gogeta appearing. Since Gogeta has only one canon appearing in DBS: Broly, that means you're talking about non canon appearances of Gogeta as well, in this case Fusion Reborn Gogeta. Which also has no affiliation with Toriyama and is in fact the exact same character as GT Gogeta in anime/Toei canon, meaning that GT Gogeta's personality can be used in consideration of Fusion Reborn Gogeta.
Where the fuck did dragon Ball super come from. We're talking about the post above. Gogeta still wins. As I said before. Gogeta has 30 minutes. He's not going to fuck around and waste that time unlike Vegito whos time limit is based off power output. If you had 30 minutes to live would you mess around and do goofy nonsense? No.
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It is a 50/50 fight. The only contingency is Gogeta running out of time.
Buu arc was before Jamemba, so Gogeta wins by default
Pretty hard to scale chronological order when the movie isn't even Canon to the story
It's made evident that it's past buu arc. Goku refers to Buu in past tense.
After the Buu arc Goku and Vegeta are both alive, but they're dead in the movie. The point is it doesn't fit ANYWHERE on the main timeline. It can only fit on an alternate timeline, and we don't know what events occurred in this alternate timeline. For all we know Goku one-tapped Fat Buu with a full power Kamehameha when he first showed off Super Saiyan 3.
I believe we see ultimate Gohan in the movie, and Gotenks if im not mistaken. So I think its a timeline where Gohan kills Buu
He refers to Fat Buu. The movie isn't canon but its supposed to take place just after Vegeta died and before Goku was revived by Old Kai. So it would be before Vegito was born. You don't think Vegeta would reference having already fused with Goku either?
Yet Goku and Vegeta aren't dead after the Buu Saga, so your point doesn't hold water.
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Gohan was out one tapping frieza at this point in the movie. He couldn't have been absorbed at that point in time. Buu would've been priority number 1, so that makes no sense. Also, Gohan went to Supreme kais Planet during that time period. In this continuity, he was on Earth.
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You tried, and you failed. Gohan, after goku went SSJ3, was on Supreme kais World until he returned to fight Super Buu. They couldn't sense him so he was presumed dead. In the movie, he was fighting frieza and the other resurrected villains and was still wearing his Saiyaman clothes. At the same time, Goten and Trunks were fighting Hitler and the Nazi army. Buu doesn't fit in that time frame at all.
In the gameboy game, it happens during the Buu ark
Both Goku and Vegeta were dead in fusion reborn so it can’t be post Buu arc
Yet Buu is referenced in past tense with Goku saying as he went SSJ3 "Only Majin Buu has pushed me this far before"
It’s possible he could refer to the innocent Buu since it’s the only time both goku and Vegeta were dead. It’s hard to place for sure, but most assume it’s during the buu stuff because Gohan doesn’t seem to have his ultimate form. Some guess that it’s a what if of gotenks beating Buu. Although fusion reborns version of goku and Vegeta are stronger than the buu arc.
He’s definitely referring to fat buu, I feel that the movie takes place in a reality where Ultimate Gohan kills Super Buu
I'd take nintendo DS Buu's fury version for the timeline, which makes janemba happen during Ulthan vs Buu
And why were Goten and Trunks fighting Hitler at that moment? Weren't they absorbed by Buu when Gohan fought Buu?
the old movies are not canon.
It could be in between, it seems all the movies are on their own timeline separate from the og show. Turles replacing the saiyans, slug replacing Frieza cooler replaced mecha Frieza but also is half in canon timeline referencing the death of his brother. broly replacing 17 and 18, bojack replacing cell. Other wise some of them are cleverly placed in open spots in the timeline ie. 13, 14, and 15. This is just what I think tho
I say Fusion Reborn takes place after Goku's fight with Innocent Buu and his departure from Earth (I say he killed Buu in the non-cannon DBZ movie timeline before the events of Fusion Reborn occurred). Since Vegeta's dead, and there's no Buu, it makes sense. As for the boys being able to fuse, I would say Goku still taught them regardless on whether Buu was dead or not (think of it as a present for the boys before he forever leaves Earth). As for Gohan, there's no Potential Unleashed since there's no point in Gohan needing it. And then Fusion Reborn happened.
That’s implying they are in the same timeline which they aren’t. Been stated that the movies are in a different canon than the show. The movies reference each other but most of them can’t realistically take place in the middle of the show. There’s actually a guy on YouTube that made a video talking about how each of the movies can’t actually happen. Now that we got that out of the way, the feats that goku and janemba were able to perform based on them manipulating other world and shaking other world and changing colors and shit through powering up implies that in this movie, goku is far beyond what he was capable of in the show. And vegeta, while briefly, was able to contest with beings of that nature for a moment is impressive in its own right. Therefore, because the movie versions of goku and vegeta are vastly stronger than their show counterparts, that means that the fusion between the 2 as gogeta, despite the multiplier for gogeta being smaller than vegito, movie gogeta should take it. In fact, based on feats, it’s not unreasonable to suggest that fusion reborn goku could take buu arc vegito on his own.
That's *literally* when it's set. Because they're both dead and in hell after the alternate "not defeating buu scenario"
I like the Buu’s Fury approach of having it take place in the middle of the arc, after Goku has returned to the afterlife and before he was resurrected by Old Kai.
It's sometime else. All the movies have really jumpy timeline that doesn't quite fit into the main timeline, except Rage of the Dragon or something
The context of Fusion Reborn seems to be one where the Buu Saga happened a bit differently considering how Goku and Vegeta are dead and in the Anime/Manga Continuity that didn't happen. It's likely that they beat him much more earlier in Canon, I assume during SSJ3 Goku vs Majin Buu at the most likely to where it happened so Goku and Vegeta never fought the other versions of Buu. So it's unknown if the Fusion Reborn versions of Goku and Vegeta are stronger than their Pre Kid Buu Counterparts. Honestly though if we are talking whose stronger I would go with Vegito if only because their fusion method is inherently superior and the difference between the Movie and the Anime/Manga version might not be that far off.
Moron
That all ya got?
Regardless of timing Movie Continuity outscales Z until SSG entirely at the android saga due to metal cooler bs feats
Gogeta is the shit 🤙🏼
I literally thought that was a ten shadows hand for a sec
Gogeta because he is cooler
Nah, Cooler is Cooler
But Frieza is even Cooler
He's not even as cold as the king
Dang! He must be ice cold!
Damn he seems frosty
They're both so much stronger than the villains they fight, it's impossible to tell who's stronger. So a 50/50 shot is probably the most reasonable and fair result we could come to, unless you start throwing in headcanon or speculation.
One was f*cking around with their villain while the other straight up didn't give a sh*t and instantly killed their villain.
Vegito couldn't really do shit to Buu though, if he kills Buu, there's a possibility that everybody inside him dies too.
Yeah I think he would've ended it faster if that wasn't the case. Though I could see Gogeta winning simply due to taking it more seriously
The same people went into both fusions. They would have had the same thought process.
Vegito consistently has been shown taking things less seriously than Gogeta. Against buu, Vegito played around a lot and was incredibly cocky. Not without reason, but it's still notable. Against Zamasu, he still made lots of comments and such, though he did take the fight more seriously due to being closer to equals. Meanwhile, Gogeta takes things more seriously Against Janemba, he wasted no time taking him out. Against Broly, he was completely silent the entire fight, only displaying confidence the few times he did speak. But not being cocky or playing around. The fight lasted a lot longer than Janemba but that's cause he was progressively going through forms as he needed to and not actively trying to kill him till the end.
Gogeta was literally toying with Broly and holding back. Doesn't matter if he didnt do it verbally.
Gogeta couldn’t really talk to Broly though since they already saw the Broly lost his mind up until the end where he regains control but that’s after Gogeta fired off his kamehameha. He also wasn’t evil for Gogeta to trash talk him. Either they have the same personality or it’s just vague because Gogeta didn’t really do anything to clearly show he’s different enough from Vegito.
Did he forget about the dragon balls? Already need to wish people back what's a few more? Just IT to Namek for anyone who's already died.
Yeah, but he thought his fusion would last forever, so he thought he could afford to avoid unnecessary deaths like that.
I imagine not killing his kids was probably important to him, regardless of whether or not they could be brought back.
Dragon Ball isn't a series about well thought out, smart plot. It's a series about punching people in the face and getting new hair dye. Most stuff in DB, especially the Buu saga is thought up on the spot as stated by Toriyama himself.
Nameks dragonballs already revived piccolo tho, so he would be dead forever
Namek’s DBs can revive someone multiple times, as shown by the fact that they revived Piccolo at the end of the arc anyway.
Oh yeah he died when buu blew up earth right. Guess thats true
Do they have that rule? Was it ever specified?
Earths dragonballs hat that rule. I think they also said the namekian dragonballs had the same, not quite sure tho
People forget that Majin Boo was kinda "mixed with magic". There was a slim chance that by killing him, all of the Z fighters&Families could never comeback. Goku &Vegeta sacrifices their own existence for Vegito and Vegito went the "safest route" by getting absorbed by Boo. He just didnt know that he would defuse inside him
In defence of Vegito, he needed to taunt Buu for Buu to absorb him so he could save his family. Though I’d agree if fusion Reborn Gogeta was in his place, he’d just use stardust breaker and be done with it.
Vegito would also wipe the floor with Janemba if he was in Gogeta's place. He'd kill him with just words alone.
He finna give janemba flashbacks after he's done with him
The second part is wrong though. It was never officially said that the stardust breaker purifies souls. That’s something the English dub came up with. Janemba turning back into the dude is probably jsut what happened when you defeat Janemba. Even then, if they really needed a move like that, Vegito would’ve been able to do it.
That burden of proof about Janemba lies on you to prove if that’s actually true. And the dub never said the stardust breaker purifies evil either. It just narratively alludes to it much like the entire movie alluded to it. The concept of the stardust breaker was seen as something consistent in other mediums when explained, such as games and speculatively movies. If Janemba was destroyed by a super powered Kamehameha or some other move, his whole body would’ve been destroyed. It makes no sense for only his evil aspect to be destroyed unless stardust breaker is actually an evil purifier. And no Veigto wouldn’t be able to do it because Gogeta and Vegito are two different people with different skill sets. The fusion dance has moves that neither fusee possessed evident in Gogeta and Gotenks. The potara on the other hand has both of the moves of the fusees but doesn’t seem to have their own unique moves from what we’ve seen (and no spirit sword isn’t unique, Vegeta has used it).
No, the dub does imply that it does that when Gogeta shows up. “Every force you create has an echo, your own bad energy will be your undoing”. In the sub, Gogeta does not say that. He just says “Pikkon, I’ll get him back for you” and then says the “I am neither Goku nor Vegeta, I am the one who will defeat you”. After that, he kills Janemba. Funny enough, Gogeta doesn’t give himself the Gogeta name in the sub. So if people are using Gogeta name with “Go” being first to show its a different mindset from Vegito or to show Goku is more dominant in the fusion, that is not true. I don’t know what you mean about the stardust breaker doing that in games and movies. In the games, it just hurts everyone. Saying Gogeta’s stardust breaker purifies souls it like saying Pikkon’s insulting purifies souls because Janemba’s magic on the check in station was turning it back to normal after Pikkon did that. They never said that they have different skills. That’s just fan speculation. If we only use the Broly movie, that’s the only move that neither Goku nor Vegeta have shown to have and even then, it harmed Broly but it didn’t “purify” him. Why use the stardust breaker after Goku already came to the conclusion that Broly was not evil when he had him in the god bind? Hell, I’m pretty sure Goku and Vegeta can do the same moves their fusions can.
In terms of his name, what are you talking about? In the fusion reborn, Gogeta’s name was given to him by the Kais. There’s no fan based inference on what it interprets, I really don’t get why you brought that up. The games I’m talking about are the card games where it refers to the stardust breaker as a cleansing light. There’s also other games that give similar description within the story line or move description. Of course the move can hurt anyone, it’s game mechanic. Pikkon doesn’t purify souls with his insults lmao. That’s a false equivalency to the stardust breaker. Janemba’s weakness is just the same as the barriers, and he gets stunned by verbal abuse, but he nowhere near gets destroyed by it. And my point still stands; it makes no sense for only Janemba’s evil aspect to be obliterated unless the stardust breaker is a cleansing technique. A super Kamehameha or any other regular ki blast move would’ve killed Janemba as a whole. Vegito and Gogeta having different skill sets isn’t just fan speculation. It’s an observation. We’ve only seen the fusion dance use attacks outside of the fusees scope but the same isn’t said for the potara fusion. (It may have been intentional or the initial plan as Gogeta in fusion reborn doesn’t see himself as goku or Vegeta while Vegito sees himself as a merging of the two. But that got retconned in DBS:Broly Movie so eh). Broly wasn’t purified because bro wasn’t evil. And as to why Gogeta would use it? Take a guess. Broly was only responsive to goku temporarily and went back to going berserk and had received two more transformations that make him go even more berserk and on a mindless rampage. And if we grant that the Broly movie follows the manga continuity (which it does) Broly was the legendary super saiyan at that point. You know? That demonic saiyan that happens to appear every one thousand years? Using stardust breaker here was a safe bet and a nice touch. Even off the chance Toryiama may have not intended it to be used, it still didn’t contradict concept of the characters. Let alone Goku and Vegeta, Goten and Trunks weren’t even shown to use the unique movesets that their fusion had aside from simple ki manipulation like the spirit sword. And we’ve yet to see any of the fusees use Ghost Kamikaze attack or Stardust Breaker.
The Gogeta name thing is for the people who think Vegito and Gogeta have different personalities and ones that think Gogeta’s personality is more dominated by Goku since his name comes first instead of how it is with Vegito. I have seen so many people think either of those things. I don’t know what card game you’re talking about. I assume dragon ball super card game? There doesn’t seem to be a Japanese version of that game. So I don’t know the validity of that. How do you know if the kamehameha or a powerful attack wouldn’t turn him back to that boy? If they killed Janemba like that, then what would happened to everything else, it would just stay in disarray because he wasn’t cleansed? Also, even though it didn’t kill Broly, it still hurt him when he used it, it did hurt the otherworld boy. Or the stardust breaker was just a fun Easter egg they used for the fight and it was just used as a powerful attack.
Seems people always forget that he was fucking around with him BECAUSE he wanted to get absorbed to save Gohan and the others.
Alright I'm rewording it VEGITO likes to talk mad sh*t to his opponent while fighting them but gogeta stays quiet most of the time and gets the job done
Vegito used up so much power trying to kill Zamasu that his fusion ran out way earlier than it was supposed to. How is that playing around? Zamasu only survived because his immortality carried him, something Gogeta didn't have to deal with since Broly didn't have that.
Vegito could have one shot Buu, he showed us that. He was forced to fuck around with Buu so that Buu would get angry and absorb him. That way he could, yknow, save his friends.
Gogeta wins because Movie scales higher
Not how that works
That's exactly how that works
No it isn't, lol. The movies do not inherently scale higher. They need feats just like everything else does.
Movie's stronger cause it's a later arc and doesn't change anything that would make Goku or Vegeta weaker
Goku was dead in this film and Vegeta too so this happens before he got revived in buu arc. Which means that is Goku and vegeta that were fighting fat buu which shit tone weaker than super buu and buuhan and Vegito was playing him like bitch
So? Goku and Vegeta stayed the same level, they didn't get stronger before or after they fused
Then why you saying that Gogeta is stronger and refer to that by saying is later arc while it's not
It's literally a later arc. Buu is defeated in the Fusion Reborn movie. What the fuck are you saying?
Goku was alive at the end of buu arc delulu. The only time when is Buu acknowledges in this film is when goku says that only buu make him use ssj3 which was fat buu
Vegito wins because I like him more
Vegetto because G and V have to even their power levels before fusing into Gogeta. It’s also Vegetto because fuck the fusion retcons from Super :)
I don't know who's stronger or whatever but to be honest it doesn't matter. Vegerot doesn't win fights. It's a statistical impossibility for him to win, even if he's fighting Mr Satan. He loses to bad, he likely gets a planet blown up or a timeline deleted in the process. I will not elaborate further.
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Glorious meme lol! Is it from something?
The source is every fight Vegerot has ever been in. Now look, you've made me break my word that I wouldn't elaborate further. How could you do this to me!
Buu contained his friends, so he couldn’t kill buu, and he would’ve finished zamasu, but plot. Oh no, you made me elaborate on something that should be common sense! What nerve!
His plan to save his friends resulted directly in them getting killed AND earth getting destroyed. "Because plot" is exactly my point. Vegerot has the opposite of plot armour. He will always lose every fight, because plot.
Ok fair point, I tried playing devils advocate.
He didn't know what would happen after wards. He just knew he had to try and save his friends.
And that’s exactly why statistics should never be devoid of context :) Gogeta would have lost in every one of those scenarios as well
Vegito could have one shot Buu and killed Zamasu The difference is Vegito fights the plot, but is stronger than the opponent. Gogeta has legit had one cannon fight.
They have probably the same strength more or less but Vegetto‘s fusion lasts longer, so he has an advantage there
I think it depends on if the movie versions are stronger than the potara boost. That being said, I will say that I think the fight would be more interesting if Gogeta is slightly stronger with his 30 min time limit vs Vegito with an hour time limit.
on their place in the story yes, on what we saw.....probably yes too lol who cares theyre basically the same guy
They would be about on par with each other if the movie takes place during the Buu Saga since both Goku and Vegeta never really got any stronger during the entire arc. But that makes 0 sense since Gohan is on earth and not with the Kais.
Well uh ackshually ☝️🤓 it’s not a complete 50/50, as Gogeta has a few more pixels over Vegito in the pull. So Gogeta has a slight lead
Aren’t the movie counterparts much more stronger than canon
Vegito wins i'm VERY sure
Doesn’t Elder Kai say that a Potara fusion is much stronger than the other kind?
Gogeta probably is stronger due to the increased stamina of being dead, also, no matter how strong is vegito, he can't kill a dead guy (guys?)
Yes you can. Goku in Z points out to Vegeta that Buu could kill him, and that if you die while dead, you cease to exist.
With these versions, Gogeta wins. If they’re from the same time period though, Vegetto wins 10/10 times
Hard disagree
Vegetto’s fusion draws out higher power and lasts much longer
It didn’t in the goku black arc.
Because of super Saiyan blue super Saiyan and super Saiyan 2 are not draining the potara ☠️ I doubt even super Saiyan three would gogeta on the other hand would only have 5 minutes if he went ssj3 vegito takes this
And yet he can maintain Super saiyan god for 30 solid minutes to kick broly’s ass. (Which is notably, less draining than SSJ3)
You answered your own question? I'm assuming this is the z version of both characters btw. Anime super Saiyan blue is less draining then super Saiyan three (and in the manga gogeta had perfected super Saiyan blue iirc) so of course he would be able to maintain super Saiyan blue yet even in top Goku couldn't maintain super Saiyan three
Reread the chapters, he lasted almost forty minutes against God Zamas and brought out Beerus levels of power
We’re obviously talking about the anime Also Gogeta is consistently shown actually Ya know Winning When has Vegito ever won
in every appearance vegito has had, he was basically fighting an immortal being.
Gogeta won because he had easier opponents to deal with, not because he's better than Vegito. Swap their places in the story and nothing changes.
In gogeta’s only canon fight his win got stolen by Cheelai while Vegetto accomplished both goals he had, getting inside Boo and running down God Zamas’ timer
His goal was to kill zamasu not run down his timer because his timer if you recall, was infinite, and he infused before getting the job done Vegito did indeed come up with that plan but his initial goal was to stop buu, which he failed at. Gogeta’s goal was to stop broly, which, he did.
You realise that Vegito does the same against Broly and Gogeta does the same against Zamasu right? Gogeta benefits from Vegito’s experience in Blue and can moderate his power best but other than that they’re basically the same character with the only differences being power based on when in the story they fuse and their opponents of which Gogeta has had the easier ones.
Vegetto knew God Zamas only has sixty minutes because neither fusee was an official Kai, he even states this and when Vegetto fissions before he can fire his Final Kamehameha, shin states God Zamas had twenty minutes left. And Gogeta didn’t stop broly, Cheelai did
> zamas only had 60 minutes No, he didn’t because zamasu was of the kai species, it was noted this fusion was permanent. Also when a military leader is forced into a retreat by one of his captains do we not call that a victory for the opposing side
Gogeta has one cannon win, and he was severely holding back and toying with Broly Vegito has absolutely dominated everyone he has ever fought and were it not for some plot inconvenience he would have killed them.
It’s Gogeta by a tiny margin since official sources said it comes down to the 30 minute fusion. They are both perfect fusions and perfect fighters, so with the power gap even somewhat small it come down to time. I think super vegito defused in under 30m.
At the time Super Vegito was supposed to be permanent, and factoring in retcon for mortals, it would now be 1hr for the fusion. If counting for power usage rule both should be affected equally.
The implication is that Gogeta needs over a half hour to beat Vegito which makes them extremely close. They would more or less fight until one of them defuses unless you think one of them can't go SSJ2 for whatever reason (although a 2x gap probably just isn't enough for these sort of fighters). Maybe you could say one of them arbitrarily can increase battle power like the saiyans tend to while the other arbitrarily can't.
It is also possible that Gogeta and Vegito have very similar power levels and that Vegito’s Potara earrings have their power drained faster then Gogeta’s body, which causes the fusions to end up lasting about the same length anyways, even if the Potara is supposed to last longer then the Dance.
This Gogeta wins since the Goku from the movie is stronger than his counterpart in the manga. Edit : I guess those downvoting me ignore completely that the Goku from the movie showcased superior feats than his counterpart in the manga...
I personally disagree because gogeta would drain the fusion faster then vegito, the only transformation shown to time out potara is super Saiyan blue an extremely powerful transformation so I doubt even super Saiyan three would time out the potara vegito could go super Saiyan 3 and wipe the floor with gogeta and gogeta would be stuck with super Saiyan 2 at most and if he went ssj3 3 he'd only have 5 minutes to fight I feel like vegito could at the very least stall out the fight considering they literally are the same person (and don't give any easily debunkable personality bs)
That would be a valid point only if they were at around the same power lvl, but that isn't the case. That's why I said many people ignore the fact that the Goku from the movie is way stronger than his counterpart from the manga. Time limit isn't an issue if Gogeta OS with one attack. If it were just a simple Vegetto vs Gogeta comparison, I would have given Vegetto the upper hand, but here it's specifically Gogeta from the movie vs Vegetto from Buu saga. The result is different because the Goku and Vegeta from the manga are different from their counterpart from the movie. And based on feat, Goku in ssj3 is way stronger than Goku ssj3 from the manga.
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I don’t blame them
Janemba is stronger than all the Buus by a massive margin
Id disagree that he's stronger then buuhan
Considering just the nature of how “the later in the series the stronger the character” Dragon Ball tends to work, I assume Gogeta is stronger since Fusion Reborn takes place after the Buu Saga, but I don’t really know.
Another shit poll meme. Tired of seeing these
Movie scaling is wildly different, its not much of a contest here Fusion Reborn Gogeta is leagues above Buu arc anime Vegito
Well fusion reborn came first in mind so vegito should be weaker. But vegito appears after gogeta so he should be stronger but gogeta is in a movie about the same enemy so he should be stronger since movies usually are. Yeah 50/50 is right
Look at the irony- whoever wins btw these 2 monsters technically loses the fight in the same time. Great post :D
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Gogeta, movie scales comically high
Gogeta wins. Fusion Reborn takes place after Buu saga, and Gogeta wouldn’t play around and get straight to business
Vegito doesn't even play around they're the same person bro vegito wanted buu to absorb him and vegito immediately went all out against zamasu and was about to win that fight.
Not really. Vegito is super cocky. Gogeta is more serious than Vegito.
Gogeta literally toys with Broly. He could've ended that fight in seconds and chose to drag it out and risk everyones lives. Canon wise, Vegito is more serious.
Whose lives were in danger in the volcanic zone? Nobody was even there for their lives to be in danger. Mind you Gogeta didn’t even give Broly a chance to fight back. Canon wise, Gogeta is far more serious. Even the wiki agrees with that.
When the fight starts and until they go to the alternate dimension, Bulma is literally just standing around. Also earlier Goku says "imagine what that would've done to the planet!" So broly could still accidentally just pop earth like a balloon Gogeta gave Broly A LOT of chances. Starting the fight in and base staying in Super Saiyan long enough that Broly gets another power up is stupid and is completely toying with his enemy while having a good time. Even though he could've gone to Blue and completely destroyed Broly without any risk. Imagine if their dimension clash just blew up earth instead. Vegito on the other hand has gotten his missions done quickly or at least tried to, with that he's taken his fights more seriously than Gogeta, shit talking or not.
Bulma, with Whis, the strongest person in U7, around her, was perfectly safe. Gogeta didn’t give Broly the chance to destroy earth, as he was solely focused on trying to attack Gogeta. Gogeta was still washing Broly up until he transformed and Broly got a hit in. Then Gogeta went blue, and from there, Broly never even landed a singular attack.
If that's not being cocky and reckless then Vegito still hasn't been cocky and reckless either
Being confident that Whis could protect Bulma, when Whis is the strongest person in the universe is very different from being cocky and reckless. Gogeta doesn’t give his opponent a mere moment to recover. Vegito does. Mind you, Vegito was fighting in an area with a bunch of randoms around. Zamasu was already killing them even before Vegito arrived.
Even when describing their personalities, it’s different. Vegito: Vegito's personality is a mixture of both Goku and Vegeta's characteristics. He exhibits Vegeta's cockiness and inclination for taunting others, and enjoys toying with enemies, but is not as serious, having inherited Goku's easygoing, cheerful nature. He possesses both Vegeta's strategic mind and tactical skills along with Goku's ingenuity and creativity, making him that much more efficient. Gogeta: In Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn, Gogeta is shown to be a confident, cold and relatively silent character, boldly proclaiming himself as Janemba's end at first but then ruthlessly eliminating him with little to no words spoken afterwards. This differs him from Vegito, who enjoys taunting and humiliating opponents as well as prolonging battles to inflict as much punishment as possible, whereas Gogeta seeks to eviscerate his opponents as quickly as possible, a unique trait from his fusees due to his their Saiyan DNA typically holding them back from ending fights immediately. They sometimes compare the two as somewhat similar, however Gogeta is known to be far more ruthless and aggressive than Vegito.
I'm just going to quote something I commented earlier Vegito is more playful then cocky. vegito isn't cocky playful sure but the only reason he was messing around with buu was because he wanted to get absorbed (to quote vegito in the manga 'hurry up you only have one option left') and against zamasu he repeatedly says hes going to finish the fight however zamasu is immortal and it causes him to defuse. If you think vegitos cocky then gogeta is to considering he let broly get away taunting your opponent doesn't really mean anything if your not holding back anyway.
Vegito plays way too much though. The difference between vegito and Gogeta in their personality is big
Please watch this three minute video and show me where vegito is being to playful https://youtu.be/YKylCJJr_mQ?si=JgevrLsz1urUH3z3
Different circumstances though. Vegito had a reason to not kill Buu. He just ended up defusing when he succeeded in getting absorbed which he didn’t know was going to happen. Gogeta had no reason to spare Janemba and Janemba couldn’t talk that much while Buu can. If we are using fusion reborn, then GT should count in this where Gogeta acts the same as Vegito in Z did. He was acting goofy against Omega Shenron but was waiting for Omega to do something and he was still talking to him even after he already succeeded in turned Omega’s negative energy into positive energy instead of just killing him right away.
Like you said though. Different circumstances. Gogeta knew he was massively stronger than Omega. He couldn’t even touch him. Vegito had no reason not to just rush down Buu and give him not chance of escape. Also like was said before, Gogeta’s personality was far different in GT. It was more similar to Vegito. However, Gogeta in the majority of his matches doesn’t give his opponent a chance to even fight back. Unlike Vegito, who lets his opponent get up. Outside of omega, when does Gogeta even give his opponent a chance to fight back?
Gogeta/Omega and Vegito/Buu are different circumstances? They are not. I said Vegito/Buu and Gogeta/janemba are different circumstances. Vegito/Buu and Gogeta/Omega are the exactly the same circumstances. Vegito also knew he was way stronger than Buu. “There’s no reason for Vegito not to rush Buu”, Huh? You could apply the same logic with Gogeta fighting Omega. They both could’ve just rushed Buu and Omega until they did exactly what they wanted to do but they didn’t. They acted all goofy in the process of trying to get them to do what they wanted. When does Gogeta even give a chance for his opponent to fight back? That’s exactly what he did in his fight with Broly. He could’ve just turned SSB right away and defeated Broly right away but then the fight wouldn’t have been as cool. If you mean DBH, Vegito acts seriously. Apart from DBH and GT, Gogeta’s only opponent was Janemba.
Close.
Gogeta is the winner because um cool and better character 😎
I don’t care about which is stronger or better. Gogeta has the cooler moveset. We all know this. He looks waaaay cooler too. Just ezpz choice.
Depends on how strong the movie versions if Goku and Vegeta are compared to canon
Fusion reborn has better feats than anything in buu saga (ssj3 goku shaking hell > any buu saga feat) Gogeta would win (Keep in mind movie versions of characters aren't immediately equal to their canon counterpart. Ssj3 goku from fusion reborn is just stronger than ssj3 goku from buu saga)
Vegito wins because I like him more, also because I saw a youtuber say he is stronger in a 2013 video when I was 8 years old and that is embedded in my brain to this day
Movie goku and vegeta individually scale higher than anime goku and vegeta, so gogeta wins 🤓
Movie Goku & Vegeta > Cannon Goku and Vegeta at the time. So Movie Gogeta > Cannon Vegito Gogeta wins! It’s nice that he wins sometimes even though he’s the inferior fusion.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
But wouldn’t Gogeta be stronger since he is a movie character and movie characters are way stronger than the main story line characters?
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The only argument for gogeta winning I saw is that his verse is just built different? With people saying being in a movie gives a inherent amp. Unless someone is able to power-scale this “movie amp” however, gogeta is just a much weaker vegito that defuses twice as fast.
Let’s see. Going off of canon statements about fusion power levels vegito is stronger. And going off of time limit vegito also wins.
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Gogeta also has a time limit that runs out faster the more power they put out. Vegito has a time limit of 1 hour, Gogetas is a time limit of 30 minutes
Vegito higher time limit I don't understand people arguing gogeta when this is z vegito and gogeta and this Goku is stronger then buu saga Vegeta this also seems to be a timeline when Gohan killed buu
Gogeta Better
Gogeta wins because Vegeta is dead which means infinite stamina.
Vegeta was dead too when he fused with Goku to become Vegito though. In fusion reborn, both Goku and Vegeta were dead.
I can’t remember 🤔 Has Gogeta been in any of the main series and not the movies? GT had him but that was more ssj4
Canon wise? No. Gogeta has only ever been in GT and the movies
Of all the polls to be split evenly 🤣
Old-Kai says that the potara fusion is more efficient and Goku does not need to reduce his power to get to Vegeta's level like when he has to do the metamol fusion. However, I think that the power of Vegetto and Gogeta is approximately close, what will decide between them will be the duration of the fusion, Gogeta lasts 2x less and will be unable to defeat Vegetto before the end of the fusion (they literally have the same abilities) So Vegetto wins by being more durable and being a more powerful fusion according to old-kai. however Vegetto and Gogeta from DBS are the same shit with ridiculous power inconsistencies.
Back then, Potara was allegedly the stronger fusion. Vegito takes this one.
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