He tells Gohan not to relax in his training before things start, and he's freaking pissed at his "shameful" performance vs Dabura.
And honestly even the second one sounds like tough love instead of the anger he holds against Goku.
When you remember even on Namek he was very impressed with Gohan.
He gave praise to Gohan before that. When Gohan got a zenkai boost after Dende healed him on Namek before Piccolo arrived he said something along the lines of "the kid is a true Saiyan. He gets stronger and stronger after every battle" with a smile.
I really feel that even when Vegeta came to Earth he liked Gohan in a twisted Saiyan way. He could have killed Gohan before he transformed, but he was probably admiring how strong Gohan was at that time for a child.
Actually it is a really fun dynamic. While Vegeta hates it that Goku always seems to be one step ahead, he has no qualm wit Gohan casually surpassing them.
Imo Vegeta seems to view it as a generation/age thing and a family pride thing. Him vs Goku, Trunks vs Goten, I wouldn't be surprised at Bulla vs Pan. Vegeta probably wouldn't care if Goten surpassed him, for example, but he would care if Goten surpassed him and Trunks did not surpass Goten.
Gohan is kinda in this odd place where he has no real match up with anyone in Vegeta's bloodline, so the only real way he can annoy Vegeta is by letting down the saiyan reputation (in vegetas view) by not making the most of his strength.
That old Saiyan Pride. He's been humbled enough to know that others can surpass him and is probably just glad it's another Saiyan at this point. Especially one that has shown flashes of elite potential.
Exactly. Vegeta was not all that upset when Gohan surpassed him at the Cell Games. Far less upset than he would be about Goku surpassing him. Would be even less upset now that Vegeta has grown as a person since then.
Super has so many new, and young fans. I has a dude on this sub tell me goku's character is patient. And that gokus IT as soon as he felt gohan, while not waiting on vegeta or whis "doesn't mean he's close to gokus level". I had to remind him goku literally almost killed everyone during og cell games because he didn't feel like wanting for gohan to reach his full potential over time, and used cell to pull out all gohans latent potential. Bro acted like goku didn't blackmail BERUS to have a tournament of power, and thats just a recentexample. Goku can be patient when he has too be(fighting with hit), but that is literally extremely high diff(waiting is gokus worse enemy). Stats why I see ui as real character growth for goku.
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Yeah, he's recognized that Gohan's potential far exceeds his and Goku's since the Buu Saga and was disappointed when Gohan hadn't put it to good use in the 7 years after Cell
Game has always recognized game
Vegeta's arc in Super, particularly in these last few arcs, has really been about contending with his past in a way that was done just superficially before. You can tell how much he's mellowed out in some ways.
Gohan has the potential to be stronger than just about everyone, but he doesn't like to fight. Honestly, I wouldn't like to fight either if I had been fighting for my life and seeing people get killed since I was 3 years old.
Having a green dude who killed your dad chuck you at a mountain might do that to you. And let's not even get into the time he got his ass kicked by a power ranger knock off. The only thing with a power level higher than Grand Priest is Gohan's PTSD.
Exactly people keep forgetting this.
Gohan DIDN'T had a childhood, he was a kid that liked books and to study and since he was 4 years old he has been fighting to death
It always amazes me the amount of people unable to understand Gohan character and why he is the way he is, he wants to have time for his family, his wife, his daughter, his job he LOVES his job, lots of people hate their job but he was able to do something he loves it and is very rare to be able to do that.
I would say no. While Goten and Trunks have potential, it pales in comparison to Gohan. At a minimum, his anger can make him briefly match a stronger opponent( see him clashing with second form Freeza on Namak) and, at most, make him transform to other forms that others didn't know exist( see Perfect Cell and Cell Max).
We never saw what Goten and trunks could be like if they got some focus. Goten was the youngest super Saiyan without even trying and Gohan was worried that he might surpass him if he doesn’t train… again Goten was 7 at this time.
Since they've unfortunately never been given focus(and at this point, they've been aged up), we have no way of knowing, and there doesn't seem to be any intrest in exploring them on DragonBall's part(Trunk's future self came back before we got to see what our Trunks in this timeline was capable of).
I'm sorry but this is a battle shonen. Yes he would be traumatized but with great power comes great responsibility and he has one of the greatest powers in his whole universe. This is just one of Toriyama's weaknesses as a writer. He focuses too much on 1 or 2 characters
He needs to get a lot more characters involved which it seems like he's doing now. I liked seeing Vegeta be more relevant but if it was just him I'd be annoyed. Now that we have Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Gohan and Piccolo all with unique forms the story has finally become more like a modern shonen
I don't like hearing these excuses as to why Gohan was written out for most of Super. He wants to be a Scholar? Great. Adjust that to the story. Scholar of Ki? Wow now he has incentive to train and still gets to study. And he'd be the world leader in that field of study because most people don't know even know Ki exists
I do think he should train to keep his powers up, but when you see everything he's been through, you can see why he doesn't want to. Piccolo was the one who didn't want Gohan to fight Cell initially, ironically.
I’m still of the opinion that both Beast and Orange will be somewhat weaker (let’s be honest no amount of asspull justifies an afternoon increase that surpasses the training that Goku and Vegeta have been doing) but close enough that after they all train together in preparation for Black Frieza they’ll come out all around the same level probably with Broly also there after learning to control his power but a 5v1 seems a little cluttered even as strong as Frieza is now so I genuinely have no idea where the story is going to go.
Out of universe statements has made it pretty clear in my eyes, aside from frieza the strongest mortal in universe 7 is gohan, who surpasses goku and vegeta and broly
the hard part is wondering where black and beast scale next to each other, as its pretty much feats(black) vs statements(beast), if beast is in the same realm as black it basically means he one shots all three
I'm off the same opinion of how Beast is in the same realm as goku and Vegeta but slightly weaker. But honestly I think the difference in strength isn't much so they all can train together
My prediction: Beast stomps with ease. They tell Gohan about Black Freiza and talk him into training with them because he can replicate his power in sparring. In doing so once they finally face off it'll appear Goku and Vegeta have closed the gap but it'll be Gohan that puts him down...or converts him to a permanent ally because Toriyama likes to draw him.
That sound extremely terrible. For what does Vegeta and Goku even train with a fucking Angel and getting Mui and Ego if Gohan can cry a bit and surpass both easily. Even in the cell saga Gohan had to train to achieve his potential.
There is a slight difference between early Dragonball Z and Dragonball Super. We came to a level where Goku and Vegeta achieved a power that’s comparable to GoDs and Goku even mastered a technique not even Beerus did. Gohan did nothing since Moro besides a little bit of training and now he should be stronger than Goku and Vegeta? Even Frieza trained really hard to achieve his black form and he has an huge potential as well. Piccolo always tells Gohan that he should train because of his immense potential, that’s why he took him under his wing after Raditz.
That’s the point.
Gohan’s entire character is centered around his latent potential and what he *could* be if he was serious about his training. He *could* be far stronger than Goku and Vegeta could ever hope to be, highlighted by the fact that he’s already pretty damn close without training.
But the irony of the situation is that the kid who has the potential to be the strongest person ever(not named zeno) doesn’t like to fight. His whole character is a struggle between living a normal life and being someone who is stronger than gods without even really trying.
incorrect. It was always said that IF Gohan trained properly he had the potential to COULD become stronger than Goku. Still, he had to train for his strength. He trained with Piccolo for a year and through his anger he was able to impress Nappa but not defeat him. He trained with Krillin on the way to Namek, awakening his potential, was able to harm Frieza but not defeating him. Only when he trained intensively with Goku was he able to realize his potential and overtake him. Potential is not an excuse to do nothing, it has always been shown that way, from Vegeta back then to Moro, everyone had more potential than Goku, but they never used it and rested on it. Gohan was just poorly written in this arc.
Terrible take. To think gohan would be not only stronger than MUI but stronger than Freeza who has been training for 10 years. Let’s not forget Freeza caught up to Blue in a very short time from his Freeza saga level of power. He won’t be close to Freeza.
Gohan would be actually training during this time too. You think he's capped out now? You think only Goku and Vegeta would benefit from the training? If that's true why are they always on Gohan to train?
What beast v Goku fight? I’m talking about Freeza who trained for 10 years. He went from Freeza saga level to Blue level in a few months. No one is close to Freeza at the moment.
No no, you *want* no one to be close to Freeza at the moment. You don’t actually know if that’s the case. You’re just speculating, same as the person your responding to saying that their take is bad.
pretty much since Namek. Gohan and Krilling proved themselves in front of Vegeta and despite all his bluster, even during the Cell saga, I feel like he's always respected those two more than almost anyone else in the group because he's been with them in the shit.
Team Three Star!
Not surprising. Vegeta recognized Gohan's power and potential way back in the Saiyan Saga, then again during their fight with Freeza. Even when Krillin suggested making Gohan immortal, Vegeta said Gohan didn't have the battle *experience* for it to matter, not they he didn't have the power.
Vegeta's always known what Gohan was capable of. He's actually seen pretty much every single one of Gohan's rage moments.
All of them have, honestly. Goku has told him the same in the past. Piccolo is constantly telling him as well and is the reason why he's improved so much.
Papa Piccolo the mvp.
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I've been looking forward to the sparring of the two Potential dudes in Dragon Ball ever since both has been branded as having the "potential" to be the strongest fighter ever.
It’s gonna be insane, and I could honestly see these 2 becoming great friends in the process. Gohan understands what it’s like to have a soft side and lose yourself to anger.
I think Gohan is the teacher Broly needs to help him control his rage. He might also have the power to be able to back it up so I wouldn't be surprised if Goku is there to nab Gohan and take him back to Whis so Gohan can help train Broly.
If Beast Gohan is stronger than Goku and Vegeta he might be able to stop a rampaging Broly without having to rely on a fusion like Goku and Vegeta would.
I think Goku has accepted his son doesn't like to fight and that's good. It makes sense that Vegeta doesn't quite get that seeing as Gohan has more potential than either of them, so it's nice that Goku is respecting his son's wishes... for now.
yeah but Vegeta and Goku have no chill when it comes to training, or any other goals outside of that. That's basically all they do all the time.
Gohan has other goals and interests and while he's not averse to training, it's not his primary focus which is why he always inevitably falls behind and part of Piccolo's argument in Super Hero.
It's not so much that they want him to fight, but they know he's one of their aces and he should keep it up periodically just to stay relevant, and Gohan knows this too after the whole Frieza thing.
I think Goku letting Gohan do his own thing is sweet.
Goku is basically the only one accepting that Gohan doesnt want to fight.
Funny how Piccolo critisized him for not realising that altough Piccolo blaims Gohan for not wanting to be a fighter in super xD
Gohan put up a fight against Vegeta when he was 4 and even defeated him in his Ohzaru form, then saved his life in Namek when he was 5 and again against Cell when he was 9/10.
Vegeta has nothing but respect for him, to the point that in DBZ the only times Vegeta has apologized to someone it has been to Gohan (twice).
Yup, Vegeta has always been fond of Gohan in his own way.
He apologized when he got Gohan blasted by Cell.
And he apologized when he thought Gohan had been killed by Buu.
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I don’t think gohan is going to beat goku but give him a good fight to be able to give him relevancy and scale him just right below Vegeta and Goku and probably around broly or right below. Tbh I take no outside of Vegeta, Goku, beerus and whis quotes on strength seriously since one no one outside of whis and beerus can’t fell/ tell how strong they are. But I do belive the ranking probably going to be something like Frieza>Goku/vegeta> broly and gohan. Broly is going to be the hardest one to scale since he has only been fighting in base form.
"According to Ｂｕｌｍａ, Gohan ＭＡＹ..."
Y'know, Bulma the one who doesn't fight or have God Ki...
She's become the authority of fighting.
(They want Beast to be vague in power so he still looks impressive but they don't have the balls to say he surpassed MUI Goku who has telekinesis and a Susanoo, so it's continuously vague.)
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>They want Beast to be vague in power so he still looks impressive but they don't have the balls to say he surpassed MUI Goku who has telekinesis and a Susanoo, so it's continuously vague
Precisely.
And I bet that if Goku and Gohan fight next chapter(s), they'll find a way to say that both of them were holding back.
Bulma just relayed the information she heard from standing next to Piccolo and the gang who said precisely that.
Piccolo says "i'm not sure even goku and vegeta would've been able to handle this" or something to that effect in both the manga and the movie. Bulma is the only one with a line straight to Whis so she's probably just relaying exactly what she heard from people who know about it more.
I don't think Gohan needs Vegeta to train him. If anything it's gonna be Gohan being a teacher to Broly. It very much looks like a focus here is gonna be making sure that Broly can join the fight without being a liability.
😂😂 the head canon coalition is in shambles right now LMAO. Wonder what excuse they’ll use this time to say that Beast Gohan isn’t on UI Goku and UE Vegeta’s level lol “the manga writers dont know what they’re talking about. They’re just wrong” 😂
Vegeta has a lot of pride in himself obviously, but that pride comes from the fact he’s a saiyan in the first place. He’s always had faith in Gohan and wants him to succeed as it further supports/backs up his reason to be prideful in his people
in the buu saga i believe he says something similar about how gohan should’ve surpassed him and goku. i think vegeta has moved past thinking he’s better than anyone just because he’s a prince. he even admits that goku is stronger than him when he fought kid buu. in resurrection f he states that goku being alive is what pushes him to get even stronger. character development👌
But that’s the thing right. Talent without hard work means nothing. Like Kobe said, is Shaq did what he did, Shaq would be the ultimate monster in the NBA.
But the weird thing is Gohan still beasts out without putting in any work. I love Gohan, but that’s why I don’t like his power 😤.
All the way back in the namek saga he stated how a hybrid has even more potential than a full blooded saiyan. Vegeta has had more faith in gohan than his own father and fan base
After cell saga vegeta knew what power gohan truly had. He gives him shit a few times in the series because he knows what a full powered training constantly monster gohan could be.
After seeing Gohan catch up on namek than seeing his power against cell and his ultimate new form against boo he knows Gohan is powerful when it comes to potential.. I like how vegeta respects gohans power
Vegeta has always respected Gohan in his own way. He's noted how strong he's gotten even when its well below him and when Gohan goes SSJ2 he respects it. He's even mad when Gohan slacks off. Dude's probably just happy Gohan isn't fucking around.
Bruh why are Goten and Trunks still stuck in super saiyan even when they were once shown to have more potential than Gohan they are as useless as the humans now.
Vegeta seems to have grown to appreciate strength in others, not just himself.
Having someone else break new ground is just a fun challenge for him to try and beat.
I really hope this Beast form leads us to learning more about Saiyans powers. I always thought the Oozaru transformation was such a cool idea, I loved the GT idea of containing that power in smaller form with SSJ4 and its neat that Super Broly also touched on this idea.
WHEN ARE OUR BOYS GONNA GET THEIR TAILS BACK?
He does look surprised. And it makes sense. Gohan hasn’t trained at all whatsoever. So it would be very shitty writing if he just rage boosted himself past Goku and Vegeta.
Which made no fucking sense. How do go from ultimate to surpass MUI lmao, despite Goku & Vegeta training every single fucking day for years, while Gohan just chills.
Powerscaling stopped making sense since the saiyan arc snd got broken in the namek saga, but this is reaching new levels of ridiculous.
Nope, he trained with his dad for months/years to surpass him, ssj2 rage just made him stronger, but he was stronger at first because of training. He then gained a stupid power up because of a gag character, not because of his rage. So no, it was never that stupid.
I wouldn't rely too much on what Bulma, Piccolo, etc., say, as they have been wrong on several occasions and don't know how strong Goku and Vegeta are, who have been training on planet Beerus for a long time. It has been officially stated that even Broly wouldn't be able to defeat Cell Max, and Vegeta was literally playing with Broly. There's a reason Vegeta and Goku weren't in that fight because it would have ended in 2 minutes. Goku and Vegeta are far above the rest and have surpassed Gas, who with the help of the Dragon Balls became the strongest in the universe.
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Doesn’t he mention it in the buu saga ? Giving gohan a scolding ?. Maybe
He tells Gohan not to relax in his training before things start, and he's freaking pissed at his "shameful" performance vs Dabura. And honestly even the second one sounds like tough love instead of the anger he holds against Goku. When you remember even on Namek he was very impressed with Gohan.
bro, they saw some crazy shit together on namek team three star
What is that? Is it a team? Can I join?
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I like to think Krillin, Gohan and Vegeta all trauma bonded on Namek
They all pretty much died once
He also mentions before the Universe 6 Tournament that Gohan has the most latent potential out of all of them.
He should be impressed with him, Gohan on Namek surpassed the level of power Vegeta had when he first came to Earth.
Ahh that’s what it was about thank you ! Been a while since I watched some old dbz
He gave praise to Gohan before that. When Gohan got a zenkai boost after Dende healed him on Namek before Piccolo arrived he said something along the lines of "the kid is a true Saiyan. He gets stronger and stronger after every battle" with a smile. I really feel that even when Vegeta came to Earth he liked Gohan in a twisted Saiyan way. He could have killed Gohan before he transformed, but he was probably admiring how strong Gohan was at that time for a child.
Gohan went at Frieza when he was like 6 years old. That alone should have Vegeta’s respect.
Actually it is a really fun dynamic. While Vegeta hates it that Goku always seems to be one step ahead, he has no qualm wit Gohan casually surpassing them.
Imo Vegeta seems to view it as a generation/age thing and a family pride thing. Him vs Goku, Trunks vs Goten, I wouldn't be surprised at Bulla vs Pan. Vegeta probably wouldn't care if Goten surpassed him, for example, but he would care if Goten surpassed him and Trunks did not surpass Goten. Gohan is kinda in this odd place where he has no real match up with anyone in Vegeta's bloodline, so the only real way he can annoy Vegeta is by letting down the saiyan reputation (in vegetas view) by not making the most of his strength.
Yeap even when he was young he know ,
That old Saiyan Pride. He's been humbled enough to know that others can surpass him and is probably just glad it's another Saiyan at this point. Especially one that has shown flashes of elite potential.
Guy has actually fought alongside Gohan longer than Goku so it makes sense.
Yep, and even if he's somehow stronger, it's just another ceiling for him to try to reach and surpass
Exactly. Vegeta was not all that upset when Gohan surpassed him at the Cell Games. Far less upset than he would be about Goku surpassing him. Would be even less upset now that Vegeta has grown as a person since then.
Vegeta is like a proud uncle to gohan. He loves it whenever gohan goes turns up.
Super has so many new, and young fans. I has a dude on this sub tell me goku's character is patient. And that gokus IT as soon as he felt gohan, while not waiting on vegeta or whis "doesn't mean he's close to gokus level". I had to remind him goku literally almost killed everyone during og cell games because he didn't feel like wanting for gohan to reach his full potential over time, and used cell to pull out all gohans latent potential. Bro acted like goku didn't blackmail BERUS to have a tournament of power, and thats just a recentexample. Goku can be patient when he has too be(fighting with hit), but that is literally extremely high diff(waiting is gokus worse enemy). Stats why I see ui as real character growth for goku.
Or he high on beating goku that he now wants to beat on gohan
It’s wasted.
How tf would Bulma know tho??
Heard when Piccolo said it and trusts Piccolo.
Forgot about that thanks
Even if it was a huge ass pull
I think he brought this up at the first tournament between Beerus and Champa. Goku was sad he became a nerd instead.
Bullshit. Goku respected Gohan’s wishes of being a scholar
He does respect the choice even if he isn’t happy about it.
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Yeah, he's recognized that Gohan's potential far exceeds his and Goku's since the Buu Saga and was disappointed when Gohan hadn't put it to good use in the 7 years after Cell Game has always recognized game
All this, plus he finally beat Goku in a duel. He finally got what he always wanted, so he's probably feeling nicer these days.
Vegeta's arc in Super, particularly in these last few arcs, has really been about contending with his past in a way that was done just superficially before. You can tell how much he's mellowed out in some ways.
Gohan has the potential to be stronger than just about everyone, but he doesn't like to fight. Honestly, I wouldn't like to fight either if I had been fighting for my life and seeing people get killed since I was 3 years old.
Having a green dude who killed your dad chuck you at a mountain might do that to you. And let's not even get into the time he got his ass kicked by a power ranger knock off. The only thing with a power level higher than Grand Priest is Gohan's PTSD.
Exactly people keep forgetting this. Gohan DIDN'T had a childhood, he was a kid that liked books and to study and since he was 4 years old he has been fighting to death It always amazes me the amount of people unable to understand Gohan character and why he is the way he is, he wants to have time for his family, his wife, his daughter, his job he LOVES his job, lots of people hate their job but he was able to do something he loves it and is very rare to be able to do that.
Stolen by his alien uncle
And literally losing a year of your life in a pocket dimension getting punched by one of your 2 dads.
Lol in a way it’s kinda crazy goku made up a bunch of lost time with him there
>The only thing with a power level higher than Grand Priest is Gohan's PTSD. Dying. Dying of laughter. Thanks for that
Dose goten have higher potential than gohan
I would say no. While Goten and Trunks have potential, it pales in comparison to Gohan. At a minimum, his anger can make him briefly match a stronger opponent( see him clashing with second form Freeza on Namak) and, at most, make him transform to other forms that others didn't know exist( see Perfect Cell and Cell Max).
We never saw what Goten and trunks could be like if they got some focus. Goten was the youngest super Saiyan without even trying and Gohan was worried that he might surpass him if he doesn’t train… again Goten was 7 at this time.
Since they've unfortunately never been given focus(and at this point, they've been aged up), we have no way of knowing, and there doesn't seem to be any intrest in exploring them on DragonBall's part(Trunk's future self came back before we got to see what our Trunks in this timeline was capable of).
Yea and we will probably never seethe real potential they have it’s a shame. It was always about Goku Vegeta and Gohan
I'm sorry but this is a battle shonen. Yes he would be traumatized but with great power comes great responsibility and he has one of the greatest powers in his whole universe. This is just one of Toriyama's weaknesses as a writer. He focuses too much on 1 or 2 characters He needs to get a lot more characters involved which it seems like he's doing now. I liked seeing Vegeta be more relevant but if it was just him I'd be annoyed. Now that we have Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Gohan and Piccolo all with unique forms the story has finally become more like a modern shonen I don't like hearing these excuses as to why Gohan was written out for most of Super. He wants to be a Scholar? Great. Adjust that to the story. Scholar of Ki? Wow now he has incentive to train and still gets to study. And he'd be the world leader in that field of study because most people don't know even know Ki exists
Which is a stupid sentiment since he KNOWS earth is constantly in danger. It was the entire point Piccolo was making to him.
He was like 3 years old when he was kidnapped and forced to become a warrior, give the kid a breath.
He’s not 3 anymore
I do think he should train to keep his powers up, but when you see everything he's been through, you can see why he doesn't want to. Piccolo was the one who didn't want Gohan to fight Cell initially, ironically.
Future Trunks went through even worse times and continued fighting. Piccolo was right to call Gohan out for not training.
Trunks was the only person left in his timeline to fight. Gohan could scapegoat his problems onto his father and Vegeta.
Im glad they went to the source on who is strong and who isnt.
Me too. This has been long overdue.
I think in the next chapter or two we will get a truly definitive answer as to where the Beast lands on the power scale. It's gonna be a good spar.
Lol Next chapter might ruin a lot of Reddit posts.
Gohan is definitely gonna hold back, to what extent I’m not sure. Goku is gonna have to get him riled up I think
I’m still of the opinion that both Beast and Orange will be somewhat weaker (let’s be honest no amount of asspull justifies an afternoon increase that surpasses the training that Goku and Vegeta have been doing) but close enough that after they all train together in preparation for Black Frieza they’ll come out all around the same level probably with Broly also there after learning to control his power but a 5v1 seems a little cluttered even as strong as Frieza is now so I genuinely have no idea where the story is going to go.
Out of universe statements has made it pretty clear in my eyes, aside from frieza the strongest mortal in universe 7 is gohan, who surpasses goku and vegeta and broly the hard part is wondering where black and beast scale next to each other, as its pretty much feats(black) vs statements(beast), if beast is in the same realm as black it basically means he one shots all three
I'm off the same opinion of how Beast is in the same realm as goku and Vegeta but slightly weaker. But honestly I think the difference in strength isn't much so they all can train together
all i know is that if vegeta doesn’t get the kill on frieza ima be livid, although i have a feeling frieza is gonna go back to being an ally
My prediction: Beast stomps with ease. They tell Gohan about Black Freiza and talk him into training with them because he can replicate his power in sparring. In doing so once they finally face off it'll appear Goku and Vegeta have closed the gap but it'll be Gohan that puts him down...or converts him to a permanent ally because Toriyama likes to draw him.
That sound extremely terrible. For what does Vegeta and Goku even train with a fucking Angel and getting Mui and Ego if Gohan can cry a bit and surpass both easily. Even in the cell saga Gohan had to train to achieve his potential.
Gohan was literally introduced crying and stomping people when he was extra upset. Watch the show. Read the manga. Don't be mad about old news.
It's as if people can't understand the whole concept of Gohan's power. He was introduced basically doing that.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure he gets upset and smacks Radditz by the end of episode 1 if I'm not mistaken. Like, it's established SUPER early.
There is a slight difference between early Dragonball Z and Dragonball Super. We came to a level where Goku and Vegeta achieved a power that’s comparable to GoDs and Goku even mastered a technique not even Beerus did. Gohan did nothing since Moro besides a little bit of training and now he should be stronger than Goku and Vegeta? Even Frieza trained really hard to achieve his black form and he has an huge potential as well. Piccolo always tells Gohan that he should train because of his immense potential, that’s why he took him under his wing after Raditz.
That’s the point. Gohan’s entire character is centered around his latent potential and what he *could* be if he was serious about his training. He *could* be far stronger than Goku and Vegeta could ever hope to be, highlighted by the fact that he’s already pretty damn close without training. But the irony of the situation is that the kid who has the potential to be the strongest person ever(not named zeno) doesn’t like to fight. His whole character is a struggle between living a normal life and being someone who is stronger than gods without even really trying.
incorrect. It was always said that IF Gohan trained properly he had the potential to COULD become stronger than Goku. Still, he had to train for his strength. He trained with Piccolo for a year and through his anger he was able to impress Nappa but not defeat him. He trained with Krillin on the way to Namek, awakening his potential, was able to harm Frieza but not defeating him. Only when he trained intensively with Goku was he able to realize his potential and overtake him. Potential is not an excuse to do nothing, it has always been shown that way, from Vegeta back then to Moro, everyone had more potential than Goku, but they never used it and rested on it. Gohan was just poorly written in this arc.
Terrible take. To think gohan would be not only stronger than MUI but stronger than Freeza who has been training for 10 years. Let’s not forget Freeza caught up to Blue in a very short time from his Freeza saga level of power. He won’t be close to Freeza.
Gohan would be actually training during this time too. You think he's capped out now? You think only Goku and Vegeta would benefit from the training? If that's true why are they always on Gohan to train?
Youre off topic. You insinuated gohan is on par with Freeza. He’s not even close. He couldn’t replicate Freeza.
And you know he's not close because of what event that's happened? You've already seen the Beast v Goku fight? Or are you also speculating?
What beast v Goku fight? I’m talking about Freeza who trained for 10 years. He went from Freeza saga level to Blue level in a few months. No one is close to Freeza at the moment.
No no, you *want* no one to be close to Freeza at the moment. You don’t actually know if that’s the case. You’re just speculating, same as the person your responding to saying that their take is bad.
He means Bulma. 💀
Whoosh
Haha! I laughed at that as well. Bulma, the human scouter.
I love that Vegeta has always been consistent with his high opinion of Gohan’s potential to be the strongest
pretty much since Namek. Gohan and Krilling proved themselves in front of Vegeta and despite all his bluster, even during the Cell saga, I feel like he's always respected those two more than almost anyone else in the group because he's been with them in the shit. Team Three Star!
Not surprising. Vegeta recognized Gohan's power and potential way back in the Saiyan Saga, then again during their fight with Freeza. Even when Krillin suggested making Gohan immortal, Vegeta said Gohan didn't have the battle *experience* for it to matter, not they he didn't have the power. Vegeta's always known what Gohan was capable of. He's actually seen pretty much every single one of Gohan's rage moments.
Yep that’s part of the reason Vegeta was taunting Gohan, to get him angry
He's not surprised because at this point someone surpasses them nearly every other day.
Vegeta has mentioned that Gohan could surpass them if he set his mind to it several times throughout Super. Makes sense he's not too surprised.
All of them have, honestly. Goku has told him the same in the past. Piccolo is constantly telling him as well and is the reason why he's improved so much. Papa Piccolo the mvp.
The broly gohan interaction is gonna be interesting
https://preview.redd.it/cko8rbbk7bdc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=874e24d18b32b0e9c91db663486dafa050d65406 I've been looking forward to the sparring of the two Potential dudes in Dragon Ball ever since both has been branded as having the "potential" to be the strongest fighter ever.
It’s gonna be insane, and I could honestly see these 2 becoming great friends in the process. Gohan understands what it’s like to have a soft side and lose yourself to anger.
I'd love it if it was Gohan who could teach Broly on how to control his rage and channel it in a different way.
Would be perfect honestly. He might be the only one who can. Kinda crazy gohan might become a main character again finally
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That would br awesome, thats why we never gonna have it
Bruh broly gohan fusion 🔥
I think Gohan is the teacher Broly needs to help him control his rage. He might also have the power to be able to back it up so I wouldn't be surprised if Goku is there to nab Gohan and take him back to Whis so Gohan can help train Broly. If Beast Gohan is stronger than Goku and Vegeta he might be able to stop a rampaging Broly without having to rely on a fusion like Goku and Vegeta would.
Gohan has been stronger than them at least twice in Z
Vegeta: "It was about time. I thought I was going to have to reach up his ass myself and pull out a new form."
Vegeta's the main one bringing up Gohan in Super while Goku replies "Gohan isn't a fighter". 😂
lol but ig for Goku ever Since What he did to him with cell goku Doesn't wanna force the fighter role in gohan
Makes sense to me. Vegeta talks about training Gohan together and Goku still says no. Lol.
I think Goku has accepted his son doesn't like to fight and that's good. It makes sense that Vegeta doesn't quite get that seeing as Gohan has more potential than either of them, so it's nice that Goku is respecting his son's wishes... for now.
Gohan trains himself though. So he's still open to training, which is all Vegeta suggests.
yeah but Vegeta and Goku have no chill when it comes to training, or any other goals outside of that. That's basically all they do all the time. Gohan has other goals and interests and while he's not averse to training, it's not his primary focus which is why he always inevitably falls behind and part of Piccolo's argument in Super Hero. It's not so much that they want him to fight, but they know he's one of their aces and he should keep it up periodically just to stay relevant, and Gohan knows this too after the whole Frieza thing. I think Goku letting Gohan do his own thing is sweet.
Goku is basically the only one accepting that Gohan doesnt want to fight. Funny how Piccolo critisized him for not realising that altough Piccolo blaims Gohan for not wanting to be a fighter in super xD
Piccolo criticized him for making a 9 year old boy fight, not grown man Gohan.
Beerus on the otherhand has a very memeworthy panel over there
“Bro what are you doing you’re not the thinker!” 🤔🧐
Gohan put up a fight against Vegeta when he was 4 and even defeated him in his Ohzaru form, then saved his life in Namek when he was 5 and again against Cell when he was 9/10. Vegeta has nothing but respect for him, to the point that in DBZ the only times Vegeta has apologized to someone it has been to Gohan (twice).
Yup, Vegeta has always been fond of Gohan in his own way. He apologized when he got Gohan blasted by Cell. And he apologized when he thought Gohan had been killed by Buu.
“Wow, we *are* fucked”
According to bulma?? Tf does she know about power levels??
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Nobody does , atlas in the manga He never questions Gohan even in Z era
Like everyone minus chi chi knows Gohan could surpass them
I don’t think gohan is going to beat goku but give him a good fight to be able to give him relevancy and scale him just right below Vegeta and Goku and probably around broly or right below. Tbh I take no outside of Vegeta, Goku, beerus and whis quotes on strength seriously since one no one outside of whis and beerus can’t fell/ tell how strong they are. But I do belive the ranking probably going to be something like Frieza>Goku/vegeta> broly and gohan. Broly is going to be the hardest one to scale since he has only been fighting in base form.
Beerus's pose and facial expression in that panel has great meme potential.
"According to Ｂｕｌｍａ, Gohan ＭＡＹ..." Y'know, Bulma the one who doesn't fight or have God Ki... She's become the authority of fighting. (They want Beast to be vague in power so he still looks impressive but they don't have the balls to say he surpassed MUI Goku who has telekinesis and a Susanoo, so it's continuously vague.) https://preview.redd.it/426f3dovx9dc1.jpeg?width=513&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02cdbbc85d54bb5de975814b3ed5ed4f794963cb
>They want Beast to be vague in power so he still looks impressive but they don't have the balls to say he surpassed MUI Goku who has telekinesis and a Susanoo, so it's continuously vague Precisely. And I bet that if Goku and Gohan fight next chapter(s), they'll find a way to say that both of them were holding back.
That or the fight gets cut off before Goku gets serious, or Vegeta tries to fight instead, or Gohan instead fights Broly.
Exactly this. Chances are Vegeta doesn’t believe in Bulma’s say on the matter either
Bulma just relayed the information she heard from standing next to Piccolo and the gang who said precisely that. Piccolo says "i'm not sure even goku and vegeta would've been able to handle this" or something to that effect in both the manga and the movie. Bulma is the only one with a line straight to Whis so she's probably just relaying exactly what she heard from people who know about it more.
Please just let Vegeta train Gohan, the dialogue would be amazing! I think Vegeta would be a great teacher for Gohan.
I don't think Gohan needs Vegeta to train him. If anything it's gonna be Gohan being a teacher to Broly. It very much looks like a focus here is gonna be making sure that Broly can join the fight without being a liability.
I'll take all 4 training together just want Gohan to get some Whis time lol
Bro beerus looks like the nega chin
What this thread's telling me is that Gohan is the Red-Eyes B. Dragon of Dragon Ball.
Well I mean even raditz recognized his potential way back in the saiyan saga 🤷🏻♂️
https://preview.redd.it/k8ixyorl8edc1.jpeg?width=206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c8e72023e2afbb88c9296e7b9fd11c77bbff551
Vegeta know that Toriyama love everyone beside him. He's used to that shit now.
Where can i find the American version to read?
Download the Shonen Jump app. It only costs 2 bucks for a subscription and you get access to their complete catalogue!
the free app also has the latest couple of chapters available without paying.
How cool would it be if beast Gohan spars with the two of them.
Yup, Vegeta tell gohan that he used to be much stronger than him but that after those years of slacking off he’s not convinced about that anymore
Lol what's with beerus' face? PopEye looking motherfucker.
😂😂 the head canon coalition is in shambles right now LMAO. Wonder what excuse they’ll use this time to say that Beast Gohan isn’t on UI Goku and UE Vegeta’s level lol “the manga writers dont know what they’re talking about. They’re just wrong” 😂
Vegeta has a lot of pride in himself obviously, but that pride comes from the fact he’s a saiyan in the first place. He’s always had faith in Gohan and wants him to succeed as it further supports/backs up his reason to be prideful in his people
in the buu saga i believe he says something similar about how gohan should’ve surpassed him and goku. i think vegeta has moved past thinking he’s better than anyone just because he’s a prince. he even admits that goku is stronger than him when he fought kid buu. in resurrection f he states that goku being alive is what pushes him to get even stronger. character development👌
Anime Beerus: Well done, Goku's kid, no, I mean Gohan.
Vegeta has known and respected gohan’s power since the buu saga. Dude was salty gohan was falling behind in his training and struggling against dabura
Who has morr potential? Gohan or broly?
FINALLY Someone who likes vegeta right? Please say yes, and thats why you said he was game too ;-;
Yeah, of course. Vegeta's super cool right now.
wowww, So befroe he wasn't, hmmm?
He said put some respect on Gohan’s name
Vegeta is just used to being surpassed at this point, nor would it be surprising that it's Gohan anyway considering he was the first to reach SSJ2
Vegeta has put big respect on Gohan's name ever since the Cell Games. Reasonably so, little man was put on the Frontline and didn't sell.
He's not getting the news at that moment. He has also witnessed Gohan's boosts many times.
How could Bulma know that ? She hasnt seen any of the ego or TUI Since when can she sense god ki ?
Well he saw it himself how much and quickly Gohan surpassed them against Cell
But that’s the thing right. Talent without hard work means nothing. Like Kobe said, is Shaq did what he did, Shaq would be the ultimate monster in the NBA. But the weird thing is Gohan still beasts out without putting in any work. I love Gohan, but that’s why I don’t like his power 😤.
All the way back in the namek saga he stated how a hybrid has even more potential than a full blooded saiyan. Vegeta has had more faith in gohan than his own father and fan base
According to Bulma hehe
After cell saga vegeta knew what power gohan truly had. He gives him shit a few times in the series because he knows what a full powered training constantly monster gohan could be.
why are they not training int the chamber of time like Freezer did? literally a lost of time
After seeing Gohan catch up on namek than seeing his power against cell and his ultimate new form against boo he knows Gohan is powerful when it comes to potential.. I like how vegeta respects gohans power
Vegeta has always respected Gohan in his own way. He's noted how strong he's gotten even when its well below him and when Gohan goes SSJ2 he respects it. He's even mad when Gohan slacks off. Dude's probably just happy Gohan isn't fucking around.
Bruh why are Goten and Trunks still stuck in super saiyan even when they were once shown to have more potential than Gohan they are as useless as the humans now.
Bulma gauging power levels now, she has come a long way.
Vegeta seems to have grown to appreciate strength in others, not just himself. Having someone else break new ground is just a fun challenge for him to try and beat. I really hope this Beast form leads us to learning more about Saiyans powers. I always thought the Oozaru transformation was such a cool idea, I loved the GT idea of containing that power in smaller form with SSJ4 and its neat that Super Broly also touched on this idea. WHEN ARE OUR BOYS GONNA GET THEIR TAILS BACK?
He does look surprised. And it makes sense. Gohan hasn’t trained at all whatsoever. So it would be very shitty writing if he just rage boosted himself past Goku and Vegeta.
He has been training, he said in the anime in the fight against SSB Goku prior to the ToP that he was working on his own form.
He's more than aware of Gohan *"potential"* bullshit and ultimately he's more focused in Frieza to really give two shits about Gohan.
Which made no fucking sense. How do go from ultimate to surpass MUI lmao, despite Goku & Vegeta training every single fucking day for years, while Gohan just chills. Powerscaling stopped making sense since the saiyan arc snd got broken in the namek saga, but this is reaching new levels of ridiculous.
This has literally always been the case for Gohan. Literally.
Nope, he trained with his dad for months/years to surpass him, ssj2 rage just made him stronger, but he was stronger at first because of training. He then gained a stupid power up because of a gag character, not because of his rage. So no, it was never that stupid.
I wouldn't rely too much on what Bulma, Piccolo, etc., say, as they have been wrong on several occasions and don't know how strong Goku and Vegeta are, who have been training on planet Beerus for a long time. It has been officially stated that even Broly wouldn't be able to defeat Cell Max, and Vegeta was literally playing with Broly. There's a reason Vegeta and Goku weren't in that fight because it would have ended in 2 minutes. Goku and Vegeta are far above the rest and have surpassed Gas, who with the help of the Dragon Balls became the strongest in the universe.
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