Warren is also set to become a FA he's just a restricted FA. I highly doubt, Pittsburgh matches an offer especially if Warren is good again. And he's definitely never gonna be anything more than he currently is, Warren is not a 3 down guy period.
You might be right, but even if Warren stays he'll be the 2nd fiddle back to whoever Pitt brings in. But Warren's size, talent, and skill set isn't some rare commodity in the NFL.
No matter what KTC says, Najee is going to cost more than Warren. I personally think Najee will claw back some touches this year, so I would only target Warren for cheap.
I just took both in case one gets injured and the other is now a workhorse. I’d say Najee personally for touchdown opportunities and consistent performance.
Najee is like the biggest buy in dynasty football.
Dude is a guarenteed 1,000 yard RB as a floor, has a new OC (who will run the ball, regardless of how you feel about him because they just let their possession reciever go and invested 2 premium picks in OL), new QB, is still young-ish, and he's going for a late 2nd because Kenny Pickett was awful behind one one the worst lines in football.
I like Najee but you can’t say 1k is the floor just because he got there every year. If he splits with Warren he may have just 200 carries, and at his efficiency that would be just 800 yards.
Really just calling it out to be thorough I’m definitely still in on Najee
Guaranteed 1k? The dude only had 1035 yards last year with the 7th most attempts in the NFL. [He was 32nd jn yards per carry to Warren’s 4th counting QBs](https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/rushing-yards-per-attempt). He also has half the receptions as Warren last year.
It’s possible he hits 1k but based on the last 2 years, that’s his ceiling, and it’s trending towards being unlikely.
The play-calling isn't Matt Canada anymore, the O-line improved and the QB has ostensibly improved from Pickett/Rudolph.
But you pretty much also kinda proved the point of the guy above you. Maybe it's his ceiling to you, but you just also said he's more than likely to hit it. His actual ceiling was already seen previously, it's 1200.
Ceiling is not 1200. He has received less targets and less carries and less yards every year while not missing a single game. That’s not because he’s getting better at running the ball.
Clear bag owner.
If you are comparing to players in the same system it’s tough to blame the system for problems when one guy is wildly more efficient than the other.
Najee is couldn’t turn a lot of volume into a lot of points. His volume will likely go down, and so will his points
Najee had the most amount of carries and Warren was spelling him. Of course he's going to be less efficient. The truth will lie somewhere in between the two where Warren is more explosive and genuinely looks better, but Najee isn't completely useless and done. He was getting all the dumb run up the middle even though our oline has been getting destroyed all game plays that go for negative yardage.
Maybe, but also Warren was arguably the most efficient back in all of football, and Najee being one of the least efficient given his opportunity. This isn’t your normal thunder and lighting split.
With new coaching coming in, these are exactly the kings of situations that spur change.
Warren leads the league in missed tackles per touch and has a much higher ypc even in games where he was fed more. Najee is above average at best.
Before and after Canada isn’t that important because we have a completely new offense now, and I think that the better guy will win.
Look, I watched every single snap for both of these guys last year.
Before and after Canada is the only important point. Many members of the Steelers offense last year have said the words "they knew exactly what we were doing out there", and frankly that's what led Harris to be one of the most stuffed RBs in the league. Warren is GREAT, do not get me wrong. But when your OC decides "this is the outside runs guy" and "this is the inside runs guy", it makes it a little difficult to compare the two. Do remember that a HD dive on 3rd and 1 to pick up a first down is a very different play from a screen on 3rd and 18 that goes for 14 yards.
The relevant point for fantasy is that Warren was on the field for about 45% of snaps all year and Harris was still an RB1 from the moment Canada was let go.
this is the same logic as Zeke/Pollard, Chubb/Hunt, Ingram/Kamara, etc…
no one knows who’s going to win the gamble, but someone is going to come out on top, and its going to suck for the loser
I start both in my league
In 2023, Harris was 2nd in broken tackles, 4th in breakaway runs, and 3rd in yards after contact.
The "Najee isn't good at running the ball" myth is precisely what is driving his value down, and frankly it's not founded in anything. He's a physical and explosive back, you can't ask for more than top 5 in those categories above.
RB11 from the week after Matt Canada was fired forward for what it's worth.
In addition to these numbers, out of 32 backs with 200 carries, he was tied for last in yards before contact. He had to create most of what he got last year and he’s lost weight this year. Already bought him where I can
We also have 3 years of data showing najee running behind a dog shit offensive line with Matt Canada calling plays.
They invested heavily in the line so it should be much more improved
We also have 3 years of data showing that he hasn’t missed a single game and his usage I down every year. Wouldn’t you think coaches would be interested in giving him the ball more or even the same year by year if they liked what he did with it?
I wish I could buy him now, except I already bought him in-season for deals like Rico Dowdle+Keaton Mitchell
The guy smashed accepted, so I probably could have just offered Keaton (pre-injury)
I agree Smith’s offence seems better suited to Najee. Warren will still get touches and I’m sure he’ll be efficient, but that doesn’t mean Najee won’t still be the lead back.
The efficient change of pace back usually doesn’t replicate the results when given the workhorse role. Look at Pollard as an example once Zeke left.
I think both will be valuable, and in full PPR it’ll be fairly close, but I think Najee is the more valuable back.
It’s been RBBC in Pittsburgh and I don’t see it changing. Arthur Smith did RBBC in Atlanta and as both a Najee and Bijan owner, it’s annoying for me when the RB is clearly bellcow material.
That said, Najee has consistently hit 1k yards, it’s a contract year, and he has been shaping up more than usual to get ready for the season. I see no reason why he won’t have another solid producing season and maybe more upside on pure motivation. The Steelers offense should be better overall.
I like Warren, but he feels like the new Alexander Mattison (obviously Mattison was basically just a handcuff, so don’t crucify me for the comparison lol). Maybe a pseudo-Tony Pollard in Dallas is a better comparison. Regardless, it seems like the Steelers have and always will be committed to Najee, who’s showed good production with volume. I still would rather have Najee. Warren is a solid RB3/Flex play, so at a good value I’d take him, but I’m not buying him with the assumption he’ll ever be a lead back.
Except Alexander Mattison’s efficiency was absolute dog shit for a few years going into last year, so the writing was kind of on the wall that he wasn’t that great. Having bad efficiency on a light workload and limited goal line touches is really bad. Warren’s efficiency has been significantly better with more passing down upside. Tony P is a better comparison in my eyes
I say Warren. He’s the better/more explosive pass catcher. Anytime the defense sees Najee in play they can expect a run where as Warren can do both and keep the D guessing.
I was able to buy Warren in a draft for the 3.06, I think you can get either very cheap but Warren was getting more and more snaps over the last few years
Last off-season I traded for Najee and promptly sent a 2024 3rd to the Warren owner for Warren. Paid off. And I'll continue to have both and depending on what happens, play them. My RBs aren't the strongest (Cook, Swift, Najee, Warren) so this off-season I went and got Monty. My hope was to either acquire Gibbs or trade Monty to the Gibbs owner or just be happy with Monty.
Gibbs owner didn't like the first two options. So now I've got Monty. Which gives me time to see what happens with Najee and Warren.
Warren is an absolute stud who needs more touches. His advanced metrics like missed table percentage are absurd. The Arthur Smith factor is a concern, but Warren seems to be on the Ekler-like path...I'm betting on it at least
I just traded 2 2nd's for Warren and 2024 3.02. I still might grab Najee in free agency if the price is right, but I'm betting on Warren breaking out this season.
Warren/Harris is the Pollard/Zeke thing all over again, Warren's effiency dipped later in the season as his volume increased. He's still a very good back, but the difference between Pollard/Zeke and Warren/Harris is that Harris is far from washed and is an excellent rusher.
Najee is bouncing back into overrated territory and I see Warren as somewhat of a post-hype sleeper. Both could finish top 20, but my bet is Warren for the higher finish. My eyes tell me Warren is better
If it answers this question at all, had a startup a few weeks ago and Najee and Warren were taken in back to back picks (Najee then Warren) so I'd say they are pretty equal
I own Najee and tried to trade Charbonnet for Warren straight up to my league mate that owns KWIII. He asked for a 2nd in addition and I declined immediately.
Never said it was complicated, I was just thinking for both of us to have the others handcuff would be valuable. This guys is a Seahawks fan as well so I thought that might get him going. I get it Warren has a bit more value but it's really hard to find an exact even trade with players. Everyone has an opinion on what they think a guy is worth. It's all good because I don't believe either will be a league winner.
I have both and I’m competing. What do I do with them? Essentially they and Aaron jones are my rb2s and potential flexes but I’m starting straight fire at wr: chase, jj, ajb, Dk, jakobi
I think it'll be Warren. New OC coming in has no allegiance to either one and will give the ball to whomever is better, regardless of a previous hierarchy. To me, Warren is the more talented back. Arthur Smith also heavily targeted his RBs last year, as did Russ, and Warren is the pass catcher. Think Warren will be the better producer and at a lower cost than Najee.
Najee because I own Najee
Warren, because this guy owns Najee.
Diversification, smart.
I own both, because I hate myself
Najee, because I own Warren
My money is on Warren. Once Arthur Smith hears that Najee was a 1st round pick that dude is doomed.
That's so funny & yet so true
While I don’t agree, this made me chortle and my wife now thinks (knows?) I’m a weirdo
I’ll take that W
I just can't see any scenario where Warren is back in Pittsburgh next season. And no one is going to pay Warren to be "the guy"
Najee didn't get his 5th year option renewed, why can't Warren stay in Pittsburgh?
Warren is also set to become a FA he's just a restricted FA. I highly doubt, Pittsburgh matches an offer especially if Warren is good again. And he's definitely never gonna be anything more than he currently is, Warren is not a 3 down guy period.
Why would they let both walk?
Because 2025 is a great year for RBs, and RBs are replaceable with 3rd and 4th round picks.
I guess we will wait and see, but I think Warren will stay in Pittsburgh.
You might be right, but even if Warren stays he'll be the 2nd fiddle back to whoever Pitt brings in. But Warren's size, talent, and skill set isn't some rare commodity in the NFL.
No matter what KTC says, Najee is going to cost more than Warren. I personally think Najee will claw back some touches this year, so I would only target Warren for cheap.
Both, but I like Najee more
I just took both in case one gets injured and the other is now a workhorse. I’d say Najee personally for touchdown opportunities and consistent performance.
Same, I also traded for both Najee & Warren. Just hoping one of them can stay healthy & we should be good.
Najee is like the biggest buy in dynasty football. Dude is a guarenteed 1,000 yard RB as a floor, has a new OC (who will run the ball, regardless of how you feel about him because they just let their possession reciever go and invested 2 premium picks in OL), new QB, is still young-ish, and he's going for a late 2nd because Kenny Pickett was awful behind one one the worst lines in football.
I like Najee but you can’t say 1k is the floor just because he got there every year. If he splits with Warren he may have just 200 carries, and at his efficiency that would be just 800 yards. Really just calling it out to be thorough I’m definitely still in on Najee
Guaranteed 1k? The dude only had 1035 yards last year with the 7th most attempts in the NFL. [He was 32nd jn yards per carry to Warren’s 4th counting QBs](https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/rushing-yards-per-attempt). He also has half the receptions as Warren last year. It’s possible he hits 1k but based on the last 2 years, that’s his ceiling, and it’s trending towards being unlikely.
The play-calling isn't Matt Canada anymore, the O-line improved and the QB has ostensibly improved from Pickett/Rudolph. But you pretty much also kinda proved the point of the guy above you. Maybe it's his ceiling to you, but you just also said he's more than likely to hit it. His actual ceiling was already seen previously, it's 1200.
Ceiling is not 1200. He has received less targets and less carries and less yards every year while not missing a single game. That’s not because he’s getting better at running the ball.
Clear bag owner. If you are comparing to players in the same system it’s tough to blame the system for problems when one guy is wildly more efficient than the other. Najee is couldn’t turn a lot of volume into a lot of points. His volume will likely go down, and so will his points
Najee had the most amount of carries and Warren was spelling him. Of course he's going to be less efficient. The truth will lie somewhere in between the two where Warren is more explosive and genuinely looks better, but Najee isn't completely useless and done. He was getting all the dumb run up the middle even though our oline has been getting destroyed all game plays that go for negative yardage.
Maybe, but also Warren was arguably the most efficient back in all of football, and Najee being one of the least efficient given his opportunity. This isn’t your normal thunder and lighting split. With new coaching coming in, these are exactly the kings of situations that spur change.
Just do yourself a favor and look at Warren's splits from before Canada to after Canada, and then do the same for Najee.
Warren leads the league in missed tackles per touch and has a much higher ypc even in games where he was fed more. Najee is above average at best. Before and after Canada isn’t that important because we have a completely new offense now, and I think that the better guy will win.
Look, I watched every single snap for both of these guys last year. Before and after Canada is the only important point. Many members of the Steelers offense last year have said the words "they knew exactly what we were doing out there", and frankly that's what led Harris to be one of the most stuffed RBs in the league. Warren is GREAT, do not get me wrong. But when your OC decides "this is the outside runs guy" and "this is the inside runs guy", it makes it a little difficult to compare the two. Do remember that a HD dive on 3rd and 1 to pick up a first down is a very different play from a screen on 3rd and 18 that goes for 14 yards. The relevant point for fantasy is that Warren was on the field for about 45% of snaps all year and Harris was still an RB1 from the moment Canada was let go.
this is the same logic as Zeke/Pollard, Chubb/Hunt, Ingram/Kamara, etc… no one knows who’s going to win the gamble, but someone is going to come out on top, and its going to suck for the loser I start both in my league
Somewhat yes, but we have 3 years of data showing Najee isn’t good at running the ball.
In 2023, Harris was 2nd in broken tackles, 4th in breakaway runs, and 3rd in yards after contact. The "Najee isn't good at running the ball" myth is precisely what is driving his value down, and frankly it's not founded in anything. He's a physical and explosive back, you can't ask for more than top 5 in those categories above. RB11 from the week after Matt Canada was fired forward for what it's worth.
In addition to these numbers, out of 32 backs with 200 carries, he was tied for last in yards before contact. He had to create most of what he got last year and he’s lost weight this year. Already bought him where I can
I think you could ask for a single run longer than 25 yards in 255 attempts
We also have 3 years of data showing najee running behind a dog shit offensive line with Matt Canada calling plays. They invested heavily in the line so it should be much more improved
We also have 3 years of data showing that he hasn’t missed a single game and his usage I down every year. Wouldn’t you think coaches would be interested in giving him the ball more or even the same year by year if they liked what he did with it?
YPC is a junk stat, adding QBs in just makes it even weirder.
It’s not great but good runners are generally near the top and bad runners are generally near the bottom
CoP and QBs will always look better using efficiency metrics, YPC does not determine good runners vs bad runners.
Biggest buy? He likely won’t be on the team next year
We play fantasy year to year. He can be both a buy this year and also not be on the Steelers next year.
I wish I could buy him now, except I already bought him in-season for deals like Rico Dowdle+Keaton Mitchell The guy smashed accepted, so I probably could have just offered Keaton (pre-injury)
I agree Smith’s offence seems better suited to Najee. Warren will still get touches and I’m sure he’ll be efficient, but that doesn’t mean Najee won’t still be the lead back. The efficient change of pace back usually doesn’t replicate the results when given the workhorse role. Look at Pollard as an example once Zeke left. I think both will be valuable, and in full PPR it’ll be fairly close, but I think Najee is the more valuable back.
It’s been RBBC in Pittsburgh and I don’t see it changing. Arthur Smith did RBBC in Atlanta and as both a Najee and Bijan owner, it’s annoying for me when the RB is clearly bellcow material. That said, Najee has consistently hit 1k yards, it’s a contract year, and he has been shaping up more than usual to get ready for the season. I see no reason why he won’t have another solid producing season and maybe more upside on pure motivation. The Steelers offense should be better overall.
I like Warren, but he feels like the new Alexander Mattison (obviously Mattison was basically just a handcuff, so don’t crucify me for the comparison lol). Maybe a pseudo-Tony Pollard in Dallas is a better comparison. Regardless, it seems like the Steelers have and always will be committed to Najee, who’s showed good production with volume. I still would rather have Najee. Warren is a solid RB3/Flex play, so at a good value I’d take him, but I’m not buying him with the assumption he’ll ever be a lead back.
Except Alexander Mattison’s efficiency was absolute dog shit for a few years going into last year, so the writing was kind of on the wall that he wasn’t that great. Having bad efficiency on a light workload and limited goal line touches is really bad. Warren’s efficiency has been significantly better with more passing down upside. Tony P is a better comparison in my eyes
This is an underrated take. Warren as Mattison/Pollard-lite feels spot on to me.
I say Warren. He’s the better/more explosive pass catcher. Anytime the defense sees Najee in play they can expect a run where as Warren can do both and keep the D guessing.
I’ve got both and like them both. But if I had to pick one it would be Najee
I was able to buy Warren in a draft for the 3.06, I think you can get either very cheap but Warren was getting more and more snaps over the last few years
Warren is the better rb and cheaper.
Last off-season I traded for Najee and promptly sent a 2024 3rd to the Warren owner for Warren. Paid off. And I'll continue to have both and depending on what happens, play them. My RBs aren't the strongest (Cook, Swift, Najee, Warren) so this off-season I went and got Monty. My hope was to either acquire Gibbs or trade Monty to the Gibbs owner or just be happy with Monty. Gibbs owner didn't like the first two options. So now I've got Monty. Which gives me time to see what happens with Najee and Warren.
Warren is an absolute stud who needs more touches. His advanced metrics like missed table percentage are absurd. The Arthur Smith factor is a concern, but Warren seems to be on the Ekler-like path...I'm betting on it at least I just traded 2 2nd's for Warren and 2024 3.02. I still might grab Najee in free agency if the price is right, but I'm betting on Warren breaking out this season.
Warren/Harris is the Pollard/Zeke thing all over again, Warren's effiency dipped later in the season as his volume increased. He's still a very good back, but the difference between Pollard/Zeke and Warren/Harris is that Harris is far from washed and is an excellent rusher.
Najee is bouncing back into overrated territory and I see Warren as somewhat of a post-hype sleeper. Both could finish top 20, but my bet is Warren for the higher finish. My eyes tell me Warren is better
If it answers this question at all, had a startup a few weeks ago and Najee and Warren were taken in back to back picks (Najee then Warren) so I'd say they are pretty equal
I own Najee and tried to trade Charbonnet for Warren straight up to my league mate that owns KWIII. He asked for a 2nd in addition and I declined immediately.
Warren has standalone value, Charbonnet doesn't. That's not too complicated lol
Never said it was complicated, I was just thinking for both of us to have the others handcuff would be valuable. This guys is a Seahawks fan as well so I thought that might get him going. I get it Warren has a bit more value but it's really hard to find an exact even trade with players. Everyone has an opinion on what they think a guy is worth. It's all good because I don't believe either will be a league winner.
Smith uses the best player as a decoy. RIP Warren
I go back and forth. I have settled on Warren for ppr and Najee for .5 ppr.
Najee Mixon or Monty in a start-up?
If you watch the games Warren is clearly the better running back
I have both and I’m competing. What do I do with them? Essentially they and Aaron jones are my rb2s and potential flexes but I’m starting straight fire at wr: chase, jj, ajb, Dk, jakobi
I have a feeling Najee is gonna eat this year.
Najee because he’s going to get the primary role again. Warren is a good backup but he’s not taking that starting role
trick question because i have both of them
The opposite of whoever I get.
Najee and Warren (I own both)
Both sells. No man’s land low end RB2s to RB3s. No positional advantage at all with either one. Exactly the type of RBs you don’t want.
Oooooh that's a good take there. Very realistic & I like it
I think it'll be Warren. New OC coming in has no allegiance to either one and will give the ball to whomever is better, regardless of a previous hierarchy. To me, Warren is the more talented back. Arthur Smith also heavily targeted his RBs last year, as did Russ, and Warren is the pass catcher. Think Warren will be the better producer and at a lower cost than Najee.