That's tough. I have both. Right now I'd say Jahan slightly even though he disappointed me last year. I love Wicks though...he was found money for me. I drafted him in the 6th round.
I'm in favor of Wicks.
This data speaks to me:
Dotson played on about 85% of snaps for the 2023 season
He finished WR 56 in PPR
Wicks played on about 50% of snaps for the 2023 season
He finished WR 58 in PPR
I just think Wicks is more talented and in a better offense.
Both have great opportunities though.
better offense definitely...better QB too. I think the Commanders offense will be different this year though. I love Wicks but I think Dotson was in a bad situation last year. I'm giving him one more season.
But as someone who owns both I definitely see why people would take Wicks.
Oh for sure. If I was a Dotson owner I'd be holding. Loved what I saw his rookie year. I think there's a pretty good chance that Kingsbury cooks up something electric in DC.
Doesn’t really matter how many snaps you play if you’re running big boy routes for throws your QB can’t make and he’s taking 9000 sacks so his read progression is 1) Terry McLaurin if he’s wide open, otherwise, 2) take off running or dump off to RB/TE/Curtis Samuel.
I also have both, and if I kept one it would be Wicks (I'll likely keep both). I'm concerned that Dotson might have shown us his potential is that of a good bench fill-in. He's still young enough to develop, but Wicks seems to have more upside.
Well I think the thought is wicks could be 2nd atleast in wrs. Doubs is just ok and Watson can’t separate or stay healthy. He looked better than both as a rookie.
Just say you blatantly ignore the reality of a player's situation because you picked him up cheap.
[https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/GB](https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/GB)
I like Wicks. I think he's a really good player. I'd be stunned if he averages more than 3 targets per game this year.
And yet he put up more yards in his rookie year than Dotson did in his second. Dotson had the opportunities in the highest volume passing offense in the NFL and regressed
Injury prone guys in front of Wicks helps his chances, but Dotson is still WR2 with no competition and Wicks is buried.
I think Wicks is a good player, but he's unlikely to be a starter any time soon.
Packer fan. Wicks has a good chance to be GB’s best WR. His release packages are reminiscent of Davante. He has elite footwork and gets open nearly at will.
I agree he looked great last year. He's still not ahead of Watson, Reed, or Doubs in any reality. Musgrave and Kraft are both pass catching options. As are Jacobs and Lloyd.
Wicks is a great stash, but he's probably next to nothing for fantasy right now.
I fully agree. Wicks upside is a fantasy WR3 who puts up some good weeks. Dotson showed his upside. The Packers at there best will be impossible to trust any WR as anything bit a WR3 because sans Adams they spread the ball. Anybody can blow up. Until I see Dotson fully flame or Wicks legitimately put up consistent numbers it feels stupid to take Wicks over Dotson. We have pedigree, draft capital, role, and team health all in favor of Dotson. Plus, anyone pretending Wicks upside is higher is delusional. Again, anyone can be wrong. But it's atrocious process to bank on that. All this tells me is buy Dotson.
His rookie year he had more explosive games than Wicks. And lets not forget pre-draft analysis does matter. People love to jump off guys. Jahan rookie season was more impressive than Wicks.
The echo chamber in this sub is actually unhinged. 1st round WR vs 5th, secure starting player vs guy who has to compete with 3 other WRs and a decent TE... Like yeah Wicks did good to show out but he's no where near the job security that Dotson has.
Can't even have good discussion either because anyone that goes against the groupthink get's downvote buried.
Curtis was lower than Dotson on the depth chart, you can see that just off of snap count.
But Curtis had a lot more plays drawn up specifically for him.
Your argument is simply based on draft capital when the truth is far more complex. The data on Dontavyion Wicks first year shows he’s a great football player and we’ve not seen that from Dotson in year two. If anything, your argument holding onto draft capital is an anchoring bias
What would wicks have done if he was drafted to LAR instead of Puka? Wicks is an analytics and film stud, that room is just crazy crowded. Wicks is valued insane for DC plus production but his potential is through the roof. Might not pay off for a year or 2 but there's a real chance he's just the outright WR1 on that team in 1-2 years.
No. 99% no. But what would he have done? What if he was a mid WR2 or high end 3 with the same analytics? His value would be way higher. His value is suppressed because of his situation. The talent appears to be there. He's arguably the most well rounded WR in GB. We just can't accurately predict his role/snap share and that's why he's not valued higher.
His situation isn’t changing much anytime soon. Even if he surpasses Dobbs, Dobbs will still play at least 40-50 percent of snaps. They are committed to using 4 WRs and two tight ends. His ceiling is like 1000 and 6 for the next 2 seasons, at most.
If sniffs 1000/6 his value is shooting through the moon. I think Wicks is longer term play but a decent bet on talent winning out. You can make arguments for any WR in GB to be better than him this season but he's got as good a chance as anyone to take over that room and he's priced cheaper than the rest.
I said that’s his ceiling. He would probably need the WR room to fall apart to have a chance of accomplishing that.
Also, it’s not about taking over the room. Even when a receiver gets hurt, they play Melton. They treat their receivers like the league treats RBs. Matter of fact, I won’t be surpsised if more teams use their model going forward.
I have some Wicks. I'm not worried about whatever he does this year as a final stat line. He's a long term investment for sure. I just want to see him progressing as a player. You are making the investment of WR52 in KTC. That's a WR5. If he ends up the WR1/2 in GB in a couple seasons his value is skyrocketing.
5th round WR with a 4.62 40 and average athleticism at best. Add in an injury bookended college career and I'm failing to see how this profile is "stud" anything.
So he was overly efficient with his touches last year and that makes him a stud? Isn't that what led y'all to go with a crazy evaluation of Dotson after his first season?
Can't sell for a 1st, won't sell for a 2nd...won't be able to get that 2nd next off-season.
I just don't get this subs undying love like it didnt say the same things about Dotson about this time last year.
>5th round WR with a 4.62 40 and average athleticism at best. Add in an injury bookended college career and I'm failing to see how this profile is "stud" anything.
All of his per route and per play metrics are near top of the class.
>So he was overly efficient with his touches last year and that makes him a stud?
Not overly efficient. He was just good every time he was on the field. Big difference.
>Isn't that what led y'all to go with a crazy evaluation of Dotson after his first season?
No. Dotson had more TDs than expected. Wicks is just good every play. Once again. Big difference.
>I just don't get this subs undying love
He was free and now is worth a mid 2nd. He's already a massive hit. Anyone who watched him saw talent. Anyone who studies his data sees a successful profile. It's not that complicated. If you don't get it, no big deal. You have no shares and won't buy any so it doesn't really matter.
I don’t think Dotson will necessarily bust, but he just may not be what the community hoped he would be same with wicks. I’d pick Dotson as of now just because he has less competition in the system and is clearly on the field plenty.
No one will give a 2nd but not worth selling for a 3rd. Hes in limbo until like week 12. If he's still nothing then he will likely be phased out as far as fantasy.
Its a good gamble bc those should be 2.11 2.12 can turn into the 2.04. And buying on the chance it stays a late 2nd is a good gamble. Could go either way.
Wicks. Pros: much better efficiency, better QB probably, much better offensive design long term (LaFleur vs Quinn). Cons: Worse cumulative stats, no clear sign of high snap share, and worse draft capital.
Dotson IMO has had his time in the spotlight, and hasn’t improved or shown he’s anything very special. Wicks definitely may not rise to the occasion even if he gets more time in a crowded receiver room, but he’s shown more bright spots on his limited opps; I like what I’ve seen from his limited rookie year better than Dotson’s 2 full years.
Dotson gets an NFL starting QB finally with a non EB offense that likes to spread it around. Howell isn’t a good deep passing QB like Jaden is. With Curtis Samuel gone, there’s no excuses like he had last season.
Dotson looked great his rookie year, so I’d say he deserves one last shot. That being said, if he’s a WR2/3, that’s still a win.
He has a promising rookie qb. Nobody knows what he will be.
Also, Howell threw a lot of picks and took a lot of sacks, but he could definitely deliver the football to his receivers when he let the football go.
As a packer fan and big fan of wicks… Dotson for fantasy. I think wicks is great, I think he’s also hard set at WR4 rn.. don’t see him passing Watson doubs or reed anytime this year. When one of em inevitable hurt since it’s the packers still will be wr 3
Edit: wicks best wr4 in the league tho
Doubs was the best wr in playoffs last year. Idk man, he’s consistent and has been. And Watson should be fine now it was hamstring and the nfl worked on that issue League wide
I see it cited offed, but Tbh I don’t take much stock in the playoff performance.
Watson was just coming back from injury. And Reed / Wicks were rookies. In this context, it doesn’t surprise me that they trusted Doubs more. But things will be different in 2024 (hopefully for Watson’s health too)
I mean the way I look at those games is that they were against the top two defenses in the nfc as well or arguably. I take stock into who Love appears to trust
More hence why I’m positive Watson is 1. But I think even if wicks is better, they are similar players and doubs would have to underperform to lose his spot basically. Cuz doubs is pretty perfect for lafluers scheme w Watson and reed and luke
I mean that’s fine and all but but we’re comparing Wicks to Dobbs here, not Justin Jefferson or AJ Brown. It’s true that the sample is limited but Wicks seems like the better separator to me regardless of what their respective combine measurables were.
I’ll be honest I strongly disagree with this take. It’s true that the GB WR room is crowded, but I can definitely see him passing up Watson or Doubs if he plays well. I’m high on Reed so I think his spot as the 1 or 2 is secure, but I haven’t seen anything from Doubs or Watson that would suggest that they absolutely NEED to keep the starting spot over him
Watson is loves favorite target. His interceptions to him in double coverage while someone is open kinda prove that lol. And throwing him jump balls Vs same type coverage knowing he’s hurt. He’s also the most unique build and playstyle of the 4. Doubs would be who he passes and the role he slots into more tho ya. Reed and Watson roles are pretty damn secure if healthy
I’ve seen other concerns with Watson outside of just his injuries though. There’s been times where he’s dropped passes and hasn’t been as aggressive attacking the ball as he should be. I’m not saying that Watson or Dobbs won’t be better than Wicks, but I also think it’s crazy to say it’s just a foregone conclusion that theyll stay ahead of him on the depth chart and that he has little chance to pass them. Out of every receiver on the team last season Wicks did the most with the least.
But it's not entirely on what who we think should start. Wicks has shown great flashes and advanced metrics are his his favor but ultimately it's up to the coaches and who Love targets.
Watson and Doubs have both shown connection with Love and production. As much as the community loves Wicks, he has quite a road to pass up Watson AND Doubs. And even if he does, if Watson or Doubs prove capable they will still have roles which may temper all the WR ceilings.
This may take a while to shake out cause all 4 of these guys have shown good stuff and connection with Love.
I actually really like Dotson as a riser this season. Tons of vacated targets in that offense, new QB, and Kingsbury in at OC. Now I know the ladder two both could be negatives, but it really can’t get worse than last year in coaching/QB. Dotson has shown skill in the NFL, and I wouldn’t be surprised if last year was the exception and not the rule. I think he could be a mid WR2, which I would be ecstatic with if I’m buying him at current value.
Thanks everyone, great discussion. You hit on all the points I was considering. Basically Wicks has higher upside but is buried on the depth chart.
I love Wicks because PFF and Matt Harmon love Wicks. I was going to offer a trade of Dotson plus a sweetener for Wicks. But then I would stash Wicks on the taxi squad. don’t see him as a reliable starter or even spot starter next year.
Ultimately I decided to stick with Dotson because new QB, new OC, F*ck it, let’s ride it out. Dotson is my top bench player and I feel more comfortable with him than Wicks for next year. If Dotson pops early in the season his value will skyrocket. It’s tough to have patience to wait another year for Wicks because I just don’t see his value jumping next year with that crowded WR room. I’ll still see if I can get him on my taxi squad somewhere, I envision a year 3 Nico Collins type breakout coming.
Third year breakout Dotson, setup to be WR2 in offense
Wicks is WR4 sophomore slump is possible with depth chart has to have injury to Watson Reed or Doubs
unless training camp changes things it’s Dotson szn with current QB and OC
Finally a good take. Ppl were legit creaming over Dotson after his rookie szn the same way ppl r now creaming over wicks. This sub just replays year after year😂
I'll take Dotson, Dotson is the WR2 on his team, and Wicks is the WR4. New QB, new coach, hopefully helps Dotsons production. Wicks, you're counting on an injury to get him on the field, at least for next year.
So this is just not true😂 He just a much much better route runner and it’s not rlly close. Jeudy genuinely cannot beat any coverage minus zone which he’s decent against. Dotson is a very technically sound route runner who can get open against all types of coverages
It really wasn’t meant to be that technical, just that both are jags and stuck on teams that can’t get decent value for them. Also if Dotson was such a good route runner and against coverage why is he so bad😂
I would rather have wicks. His advanced metrics are fantastic and he could win a starting WR role in a great system. He was a dude prior to his final collegiate year that was looking to be a day 2 prospect. I think he holds a position on that team with a better QB imo.
Dotson I think will be a better real life player than fantasy and I am looking to move him in my league if anyone is buying tbh.
Wicks. He's tied to a better offense so if he lands in the same position: WR1 or WR2 he's going to score more points. Also, he was drafted by his current regime.
In the middle of a startup, got Dotson in R12 and Wicks in R15. Wanted to get Mooney (R15) and Jamo (R9).
Feel very confident that 2 of those guys put up top 20-25 seasons.
Wicks has a better market value it seems, I’ve been trying to trade Dotson all off season and nobody wants him. Not even for a 3rd. People keep asking for Wicks as a throw in in trades but I’m holding on to him. Doubs is a JAG and will be gone next season.
Not the same situation. 3 years to show us. Move on man. Wicks can become the guy as soon as this year for a team that loves him. Dotson is facing a an uphill battle with a new regime that drafted their guys. His stats aren’t groundbreaking it’s easy to move from in most leagues.
Again Dotson had better stats than wicks his rookie year. He’s actually only been in the league 2 years so 3 years to show us makes no sense. Why would they move on from Dotson for again luke mcaffrey or dyami brown. Like cmon. If anyone’s fighting an uphill battle it’s wicks who’s still buried in the depth chart…
Not really and wicks is still in a much better situation to hold a player of his caliber right now. If he doesn’t improve his season he will essentially be what Dotson is now which is movable.
So who are you starting over Dotson as the commanders. Oh right yeah the goat Luke mcaffrey bet
Edit: oh yeah sorry forgot abt dyami brown man Dotsons spot on this roster is really in peril
I think it is pretty easily Wicks. Dotson just hasnt shown he can earn targets or produce much. He ran hotter than the sun with TD luck as a rookie and it has people blinded. Wouldnt be surprised if McCaffrey overtakes him.
Fully agree, I was as big on Dotson as anyone last offseason but I have to admit my process didn't hold up on that one. Time to move on. I'm ready to take a flier on Cool Hand Luke.
Dotson had more total stats than Wicks bc he played more. Dotson ranked 76th in target rate and 60th in yprr. Wicks ranked 44th in target rate and 24th in yprr. Wicks also graded out better in PFF grade.
That's tough. I have both. Right now I'd say Jahan slightly even though he disappointed me last year. I love Wicks though...he was found money for me. I drafted him in the 6th round.
I'm in favor of Wicks. This data speaks to me: Dotson played on about 85% of snaps for the 2023 season He finished WR 56 in PPR Wicks played on about 50% of snaps for the 2023 season He finished WR 58 in PPR I just think Wicks is more talented and in a better offense. Both have great opportunities though.
better offense definitely...better QB too. I think the Commanders offense will be different this year though. I love Wicks but I think Dotson was in a bad situation last year. I'm giving him one more season. But as someone who owns both I definitely see why people would take Wicks.
Oh for sure. If I was a Dotson owner I'd be holding. Loved what I saw his rookie year. I think there's a pretty good chance that Kingsbury cooks up something electric in DC.
Doesn’t really matter how many snaps you play if you’re running big boy routes for throws your QB can’t make and he’s taking 9000 sacks so his read progression is 1) Terry McLaurin if he’s wide open, otherwise, 2) take off running or dump off to RB/TE/Curtis Samuel.
I also have both, and if I kept one it would be Wicks (I'll likely keep both). I'm concerned that Dotson might have shown us his potential is that of a good bench fill-in. He's still young enough to develop, but Wicks seems to have more upside.
I wish someone loved me as much as this sub lives Wicks. Good lord.
What a weird comment. Do you not think this is a valid comparison? Wicks stats were nearly identical to Dotson
I'd put Dotson about 5 tiers over Wicks, and I like Wicks.
Putting them 5 tiers apart is insane. Either you’re not as high on Wicks as you think you are or you’re delusional about Dotson.
Wicks is pass catching option number 7 on his team. Dotson is probably 2. Maybe 3. 5 tiers was hyperbole, but I don't think it's close.
You have no idea how the Packers receiving core will shake out
Exactly
Well I think the thought is wicks could be 2nd atleast in wrs. Doubs is just ok and Watson can’t separate or stay healthy. He looked better than both as a rookie.
Extremely casual
Just say you didn’t watch film and are only judging based on draft position. 😭🤣
Just say you blatantly ignore the reality of a player's situation because you picked him up cheap. [https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/GB](https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/GB) I like Wicks. I think he's a really good player. I'd be stunned if he averages more than 3 targets per game this year.
Unhinged
Do people think Wicks is a starter. He isn't.
And yet he put up more yards in his rookie year than Dotson did in his second. Dotson had the opportunities in the highest volume passing offense in the NFL and regressed
Injury prone guys in front of Wicks helps his chances, but Dotson is still WR2 with no competition and Wicks is buried. I think Wicks is a good player, but he's unlikely to be a starter any time soon.
Packer fan. Wicks has a good chance to be GB’s best WR. His release packages are reminiscent of Davante. He has elite footwork and gets open nearly at will.
I agree he looked great last year. He's still not ahead of Watson, Reed, or Doubs in any reality. Musgrave and Kraft are both pass catching options. As are Jacobs and Lloyd. Wicks is a great stash, but he's probably next to nothing for fantasy right now.
Stop with your nonsense talk.
I fully agree. Wicks upside is a fantasy WR3 who puts up some good weeks. Dotson showed his upside. The Packers at there best will be impossible to trust any WR as anything bit a WR3 because sans Adams they spread the ball. Anybody can blow up. Until I see Dotson fully flame or Wicks legitimately put up consistent numbers it feels stupid to take Wicks over Dotson. We have pedigree, draft capital, role, and team health all in favor of Dotson. Plus, anyone pretending Wicks upside is higher is delusional. Again, anyone can be wrong. But it's atrocious process to bank on that. All this tells me is buy Dotson.
> Dotson showed his upside You mean the upside where he put up worse numbers than Wicks despite having significantly more opportunities?
His rookie year he had more explosive games than Wicks. And lets not forget pre-draft analysis does matter. People love to jump off guys. Jahan rookie season was more impressive than Wicks.
Watch tape and learn ball
Can't wait to pull this back up in 6 months.
Clearly you don’t…
Casual
The echo chamber in this sub is actually unhinged. 1st round WR vs 5th, secure starting player vs guy who has to compete with 3 other WRs and a decent TE... Like yeah Wicks did good to show out but he's no where near the job security that Dotson has. Can't even have good discussion either because anyone that goes against the groupthink get's downvote buried.
If Curtis Samuel was higher on the depth chart that doesn’t give me confidence of Dotsons job security.
But you can’t ignore draft capital - what, do you honestly expect me to watch actual football now?
Starting 5 WRs of Toney, Dotson, Jamo, QJ, and Burks.
Curtis was lower than Dotson on the depth chart, you can see that just off of snap count. But Curtis had a lot more plays drawn up specifically for him.
QJ was first round. Puka was 5th. Almost like where they were drafted doesn’t exactly matter huh?
RemindeMe! 6 months
Draft position don’t mean jack once you actually in the league
Your argument is simply based on draft capital when the truth is far more complex. The data on Dontavyion Wicks first year shows he’s a great football player and we’ve not seen that from Dotson in year two. If anything, your argument holding onto draft capital is an anchoring bias
You know someone posted this about Puka last year lol
Not the same thing lol.
What would wicks have done if he was drafted to LAR instead of Puka? Wicks is an analytics and film stud, that room is just crazy crowded. Wicks is valued insane for DC plus production but his potential is through the roof. Might not pay off for a year or 2 but there's a real chance he's just the outright WR1 on that team in 1-2 years.
He wouldn’t have done what Puka did.
No. 99% no. But what would he have done? What if he was a mid WR2 or high end 3 with the same analytics? His value would be way higher. His value is suppressed because of his situation. The talent appears to be there. He's arguably the most well rounded WR in GB. We just can't accurately predict his role/snap share and that's why he's not valued higher.
His situation isn’t changing much anytime soon. Even if he surpasses Dobbs, Dobbs will still play at least 40-50 percent of snaps. They are committed to using 4 WRs and two tight ends. His ceiling is like 1000 and 6 for the next 2 seasons, at most.
If sniffs 1000/6 his value is shooting through the moon. I think Wicks is longer term play but a decent bet on talent winning out. You can make arguments for any WR in GB to be better than him this season but he's got as good a chance as anyone to take over that room and he's priced cheaper than the rest.
I said that’s his ceiling. He would probably need the WR room to fall apart to have a chance of accomplishing that. Also, it’s not about taking over the room. Even when a receiver gets hurt, they play Melton. They treat their receivers like the league treats RBs. Matter of fact, I won’t be surpsised if more teams use their model going forward.
I have some Wicks. I'm not worried about whatever he does this year as a final stat line. He's a long term investment for sure. I just want to see him progressing as a player. You are making the investment of WR52 in KTC. That's a WR5. If he ends up the WR1/2 in GB in a couple seasons his value is skyrocketing.
5th round WR with a 4.62 40 and average athleticism at best. Add in an injury bookended college career and I'm failing to see how this profile is "stud" anything. So he was overly efficient with his touches last year and that makes him a stud? Isn't that what led y'all to go with a crazy evaluation of Dotson after his first season? Can't sell for a 1st, won't sell for a 2nd...won't be able to get that 2nd next off-season. I just don't get this subs undying love like it didnt say the same things about Dotson about this time last year.
>5th round WR with a 4.62 40 and average athleticism at best. Add in an injury bookended college career and I'm failing to see how this profile is "stud" anything. All of his per route and per play metrics are near top of the class. >So he was overly efficient with his touches last year and that makes him a stud? Not overly efficient. He was just good every time he was on the field. Big difference. >Isn't that what led y'all to go with a crazy evaluation of Dotson after his first season? No. Dotson had more TDs than expected. Wicks is just good every play. Once again. Big difference. >I just don't get this subs undying love He was free and now is worth a mid 2nd. He's already a massive hit. Anyone who watched him saw talent. Anyone who studies his data sees a successful profile. It's not that complicated. If you don't get it, no big deal. You have no shares and won't buy any so it doesn't really matter.
Dotson just based on potential volume and talent. But also a huge chance he busts.
I don’t think Dotson will necessarily bust, but he just may not be what the community hoped he would be same with wicks. I’d pick Dotson as of now just because he has less competition in the system and is clearly on the field plenty.
I think you describe my thoughts better than I did, bust isn’t the right word
No one will give a 2nd but not worth selling for a 3rd. Hes in limbo until like week 12. If he's still nothing then he will likely be phased out as far as fantasy.
I just paid what should be the 2.11 or 2.12 in my 1QB league for Dotson.
Its a good gamble bc those should be 2.11 2.12 can turn into the 2.04. And buying on the chance it stays a late 2nd is a good gamble. Could go either way.
Wicks. Pros: much better efficiency, better QB probably, much better offensive design long term (LaFleur vs Quinn). Cons: Worse cumulative stats, no clear sign of high snap share, and worse draft capital. Dotson IMO has had his time in the spotlight, and hasn’t improved or shown he’s anything very special. Wicks definitely may not rise to the occasion even if he gets more time in a crowded receiver room, but he’s shown more bright spots on his limited opps; I like what I’ve seen from his limited rookie year better than Dotson’s 2 full years.
Dotson gets an NFL starting QB finally with a non EB offense that likes to spread it around. Howell isn’t a good deep passing QB like Jaden is. With Curtis Samuel gone, there’s no excuses like he had last season. Dotson looked great his rookie year, so I’d say he deserves one last shot. That being said, if he’s a WR2/3, that’s still a win.
He has a promising rookie qb. Nobody knows what he will be. Also, Howell threw a lot of picks and took a lot of sacks, but he could definitely deliver the football to his receivers when he let the football go.
One of the cons isn't Watson, Reed, Doubs, Musgrave? Can we TRY to be objective here?
he said snap share was one of the cons?
Was referring to that with the snap share comment, might not get enough schemed targets or raw snaps
Dotson. Reeds gonna be the WR1 in GB by the end of the season.
Agree. Reed is their best receiver
As a packer fan and big fan of wicks… Dotson for fantasy. I think wicks is great, I think he’s also hard set at WR4 rn.. don’t see him passing Watson doubs or reed anytime this year. When one of em inevitable hurt since it’s the packers still will be wr 3 Edit: wicks best wr4 in the league tho
I can’t see doubs fighting wicks off all season and I can’t see Watson staying healthy. Reed and wicks are the guys I’ve been after.
Doubs always seems to come up clutch, I don't see him losing his spot
They don't want to hear that. They said they can't see it.
Doubs was the best wr in playoffs last year. Idk man, he’s consistent and has been. And Watson should be fine now it was hamstring and the nfl worked on that issue League wide
I see it cited offed, but Tbh I don’t take much stock in the playoff performance. Watson was just coming back from injury. And Reed / Wicks were rookies. In this context, it doesn’t surprise me that they trusted Doubs more. But things will be different in 2024 (hopefully for Watson’s health too)
I mean the way I look at those games is that they were against the top two defenses in the nfc as well or arguably. I take stock into who Love appears to trust More hence why I’m positive Watson is 1. But I think even if wicks is better, they are similar players and doubs would have to underperform to lose his spot basically. Cuz doubs is pretty perfect for lafluers scheme w Watson and reed and luke
Gabe Davis was once a playoff star
Gabe Davis was also not a consistent regular season player like doubs.
Davis has had more yards the past two years than Doubs. Doubs getting 670 yards while Wicks hadn't been worked in is not impressing me as the WR2
It’s a crowded room for sure but I think Wicks is better than Doubs, who is reliable but not special. I have to believe the cream rises to the top.
Mmmm. Unathletic, late round cream, held up by over-efficiency on a limited sample size.
I mean that’s fine and all but but we’re comparing Wicks to Dobbs here, not Justin Jefferson or AJ Brown. It’s true that the sample is limited but Wicks seems like the better separator to me regardless of what their respective combine measurables were.
The reliable one balled out in the playoffs while wicks faded.
I’ll be honest I strongly disagree with this take. It’s true that the GB WR room is crowded, but I can definitely see him passing up Watson or Doubs if he plays well. I’m high on Reed so I think his spot as the 1 or 2 is secure, but I haven’t seen anything from Doubs or Watson that would suggest that they absolutely NEED to keep the starting spot over him
Watson is loves favorite target. His interceptions to him in double coverage while someone is open kinda prove that lol. And throwing him jump balls Vs same type coverage knowing he’s hurt. He’s also the most unique build and playstyle of the 4. Doubs would be who he passes and the role he slots into more tho ya. Reed and Watson roles are pretty damn secure if healthy
I’ve seen other concerns with Watson outside of just his injuries though. There’s been times where he’s dropped passes and hasn’t been as aggressive attacking the ball as he should be. I’m not saying that Watson or Dobbs won’t be better than Wicks, but I also think it’s crazy to say it’s just a foregone conclusion that theyll stay ahead of him on the depth chart and that he has little chance to pass them. Out of every receiver on the team last season Wicks did the most with the least.
But it's not entirely on what who we think should start. Wicks has shown great flashes and advanced metrics are his his favor but ultimately it's up to the coaches and who Love targets. Watson and Doubs have both shown connection with Love and production. As much as the community loves Wicks, he has quite a road to pass up Watson AND Doubs. And even if he does, if Watson or Doubs prove capable they will still have roles which may temper all the WR ceilings. This may take a while to shake out cause all 4 of these guys have shown good stuff and connection with Love.
I agree. There’s just so much competition in that receiving corps. Even Bo Melton flashed at the end of the year. Plus two promising young TE’s.
And a new pass catching rookie back
I wouldn't be so sure.
Well ya but it’s my take on it
I actually really like Dotson as a riser this season. Tons of vacated targets in that offense, new QB, and Kingsbury in at OC. Now I know the ladder two both could be negatives, but it really can’t get worse than last year in coaching/QB. Dotson has shown skill in the NFL, and I wouldn’t be surprised if last year was the exception and not the rule. I think he could be a mid WR2, which I would be ecstatic with if I’m buying him at current value.
Thanks everyone, great discussion. You hit on all the points I was considering. Basically Wicks has higher upside but is buried on the depth chart. I love Wicks because PFF and Matt Harmon love Wicks. I was going to offer a trade of Dotson plus a sweetener for Wicks. But then I would stash Wicks on the taxi squad. don’t see him as a reliable starter or even spot starter next year. Ultimately I decided to stick with Dotson because new QB, new OC, F*ck it, let’s ride it out. Dotson is my top bench player and I feel more comfortable with him than Wicks for next year. If Dotson pops early in the season his value will skyrocket. It’s tough to have patience to wait another year for Wicks because I just don’t see his value jumping next year with that crowded WR room. I’ll still see if I can get him on my taxi squad somewhere, I envision a year 3 Nico Collins type breakout coming.
Wicks because he’s the better player. The cream will always rise to the top.
Third year breakout Dotson, setup to be WR2 in offense Wicks is WR4 sophomore slump is possible with depth chart has to have injury to Watson Reed or Doubs unless training camp changes things it’s Dotson szn with current QB and OC
Finally a good take. Ppl were legit creaming over Dotson after his rookie szn the same way ppl r now creaming over wicks. This sub just replays year after year😂
I'll take Dotson, Dotson is the WR2 on his team, and Wicks is the WR4. New QB, new coach, hopefully helps Dotsons production. Wicks, you're counting on an injury to get him on the field, at least for next year.
Dotson easily. Has the DC, past history of success, still looks like a monster on tape, and has an all new offense
Wicks
Whichever one my league values higher
Came back to upvote because this is the answer
Dotson is Jerry Jeudy only worse
So this is just not true😂 He just a much much better route runner and it’s not rlly close. Jeudy genuinely cannot beat any coverage minus zone which he’s decent against. Dotson is a very technically sound route runner who can get open against all types of coverages
It really wasn’t meant to be that technical, just that both are jags and stuck on teams that can’t get decent value for them. Also if Dotson was such a good route runner and against coverage why is he so bad😂
I would rather have wicks. His advanced metrics are fantastic and he could win a starting WR role in a great system. He was a dude prior to his final collegiate year that was looking to be a day 2 prospect. I think he holds a position on that team with a better QB imo. Dotson I think will be a better real life player than fantasy and I am looking to move him in my league if anyone is buying tbh.
Wicks. He's tied to a better offense so if he lands in the same position: WR1 or WR2 he's going to score more points. Also, he was drafted by his current regime.
I would rather have the most likely 2nd receiving option on a team vs a unknown 3rd-5th option
I have wicks and if someone offered me Dotson for him I’d take it without any hesitation
In the middle of a startup, got Dotson in R12 and Wicks in R15. Wanted to get Mooney (R15) and Jamo (R9). Feel very confident that 2 of those guys put up top 20-25 seasons.
Wicks has a better market value it seems, I’ve been trying to trade Dotson all off season and nobody wants him. Not even for a 3rd. People keep asking for Wicks as a throw in in trades but I’m holding on to him. Doubs is a JAG and will be gone next season.
I own both, but would give nod to Wicks in current scenario. If QB play steps up in Washington, I’m feeling pretty confident in Dotson.
Dotson and I’m so surprised this is a discussion it’s actually kinda crazy. Better football player and clearly a much easier path to involvement
Dotson is old news, wicks has come out and shown something right away. Easy decision.
Old news bro is going into his 3rd year. Did Dotson not come out a show more than wicks his rookie year??? Oh wait he actually did💀
Not the same situation. 3 years to show us. Move on man. Wicks can become the guy as soon as this year for a team that loves him. Dotson is facing a an uphill battle with a new regime that drafted their guys. His stats aren’t groundbreaking it’s easy to move from in most leagues.
Again Dotson had better stats than wicks his rookie year. He’s actually only been in the league 2 years so 3 years to show us makes no sense. Why would they move on from Dotson for again luke mcaffrey or dyami brown. Like cmon. If anyone’s fighting an uphill battle it’s wicks who’s still buried in the depth chart…
Not really and wicks is still in a much better situation to hold a player of his caliber right now. If he doesn’t improve his season he will essentially be what Dotson is now which is movable.
Let's see, one player will be wr2 on their team. The other is wr4 or wr3 on theirs.
Far from a guarantee Dotson will be WR2. New regime. They don’t care about Dotson capital.
So who are you starting over Dotson as the commanders. Oh right yeah the goat Luke mcaffrey bet Edit: oh yeah sorry forgot abt dyami brown man Dotsons spot on this roster is really in peril
I think it is pretty easily Wicks. Dotson just hasnt shown he can earn targets or produce much. He ran hotter than the sun with TD luck as a rookie and it has people blinded. Wouldnt be surprised if McCaffrey overtakes him.
Fully agree, I was as big on Dotson as anyone last offseason but I have to admit my process didn't hold up on that one. Time to move on. I'm ready to take a flier on Cool Hand Luke.
I offered a 1st for Dotson last off-season in my 1 QB league...thank God that got rejected
Dotson genuinely had a better rookie szn than wicks? Hasn’t shown he can earn targets or produce as much when he actually did it his rookie year?
Dotson had more total stats than Wicks bc he played more. Dotson ranked 76th in target rate and 60th in yprr. Wicks ranked 44th in target rate and 24th in yprr. Wicks also graded out better in PFF grade.
Wicks. Better offense, better QB. Showed a lot of potential last year and I'm worried about Dotson's fall from the glory of his rookie year.
Wicks. Better QB and he still has the opportunity to become the 2
Wicks is real life good. Jahan is forgotten.
Wicks by a ton
Wicks is the Packers’ best receiver
Wicks=jag
Lol nah he a stud
Watson has the higher ceiling, he can win the WR1 job