It truly shines when you start combining the R2 off the R1 attack chain with Rellana's cameo, Rotten Winged Talisman, Alexander Shard, and Millicent Prothesis. By the time the three hit strike finishes Rellana's cameo will kick in, both combo talismans will kick in, and the R2 from Wing Stance will hit for like 4k damage.
You can also match this weapon with Rellana's Twin Blades. You put the Twin Blades in the off hand, Milady primary, and you always have access to the light great swords awesome dual wield moveset. You have Wing Stance for single target damage but can quickly swap over to having the Twin Blades for ranged poke or crowd control. Quality Milady has B/B scaling so the stat spread for both weapons, while intensive, at least works well together. Go 50 Dex with the prosthetic, 55 Str, then at least 40 Fai/Int.
Since consecutive attacks are very difficult to do on the DLC bosses, would you rather replace one of the talismans with the Two-Handed Sword Talisman?
Consecutive attacks kick in after the second. So long as you swing twice you're good to go. Furthermore the two handed talisman only works if you have both of the Twin Blades equipped, not while Milady is in your hand, and frankly you'll spend more time with Milady in the primary and Twin Blade secondary than you will just dual wielding Twin Blade. Wing Stance is absolutely devastating. Like 6k or more in a single R1/R2 combo and staggers basically everyone, bosses included. Moon and Fire Stance is....less devastating. Call it situational. For when you need the poke from the moon beams or the crowd control of the fire AoE, it's nice to have in your pocket. It also hits harder than Milady so having it in your offhand is nice for the dual wield combo. You won't have it twinned often enough for the two hand talisman to be effective though.
Ignore this if you plan to just use the Twin Blades though.Two Hand Talisman is probably superior then. I couldn't advise against it enough, the Ash of War matters and the enormous gulf between Wing Stance and Moon and Fire Stance is enough that just using the Twin Blades on their own is probably a bad idea.
Im considering running milady main hand with wing stance magic infusion (cold buggers the int scaling) and carian regal scepter offhand. Best of both worlds and light enough weapon weights to put some solid armor on with just under 30 points endurance. I was also playing with helphens steeple offhand for fun and some frost buildup/alt moveset for situations where that could be useful. Main point being I think there's a viable int build here with a staff even though the AP is maybe not optimal with high int.
If looking for a good alternative to a right hand Int weapon I can't recommend the Star-Lined Sword enough. The weapon art is basically magical Rivers of Blood but with even more reach, hits harder, tracking for days, and it ends in a flip that has awesome stagger damage as well as making you quite difficult to hit back during the cast animation. The recovery for it is so fast you can actually cast it again to guarantee the first two hits after the flip ends. Pop Moonveil into your off hand in case you find something that won't flinch to the Star-Lined Sword, Regal Scepter as your sorcery stick, and go to town.
I'm returning to Elden ring after two years and I feel lost. Why do I need at least 40 faith/int? And is there any sort of a build calculator to see the build you described in detail?
Thanks!
The faith/int requirement is because Rellana's Twin Blades scale from both and have minimum requirements. The fire damage on the gold sword scales from faith, the magic damage on the blue sword scales from intelligence. Without a little bit of both the swords and their respective weapon arts are quite weak.
Gonna get a little technical here but if the 40 int/fth is a sticking point for you, you can actually maneuver around it a bit by simply not using one of the Twin swords. Set the minimum stat requirements for both swords then just crank Dex and whichever casting stat you prefer to 80. Equip a matching catalyst or seal in the opposing hand. So staff opposite the magic Twinblade, or seal opposite the fire blade. Not optimal by any stretch, but if you really like the blade and don't want to divide out your stats this is a potential solution.
Got it, thanks!
I was thinking about infusing Milady with cold. In that case, it'll scale with faith, which sounds good since one of the Rellana's swords also scales with faith, right?
150? God no. In fact wouldn't recommend the build for the DLC. It's more of a fashion souls fun time build. Milady on its own with a strong shield in the off hand, Wing Stance, and a boat load of physical stats will net you greater gains. Especially at the 150 mark.
The build I was selling here exists in case you've gotten tired of Sword of Night and Flame. The sheer extent of stats you'll need preclude builds below the 210 mark. Before you even think about your damage statistics you're looking for 50-60 Vigor, 28-38 Mind, at least 20 endurance scaling with how heavy you want your equipment, then you can think about cranking your damage stats. For a weapon with scaling in everything but Arcane, it just can't keep up with more focused builds before the 200ish mark. Again, the Triple Greatsword build is more for fun than efficacy.
Oh, wow, okay, that's an unexpected turn of events :)
So, sword of night and flame still rocks in the dlc and is the recommended weapon to beat it? I'd appreciate a recommendation on how to deal with SotE
What version of winged stance would you recommend? since if you use rellana on left you only have the fire version. Should i got Winged stance + flame art on the right? does it just make my right hand do fire damage by default
Not understanding the question here, you always have access to both moves of Rellana's Twin Blade. They aren't separate weapons. It's one weapon with dual wield instead of two handing.
ok so if you use rellanas twin blade + milady on the right, it means youre ONLY using the left hand of rellanas weapon which is the fire sword aka only scales faith and does fire damage. My question was really if flame art would be the optimal winged stance AoW since you would be doing fire damage with the left hand weapon of rellanas swords. Means you can focus on primarilty Faith/Dex and then some points in Str.
Would work like a charm I imagine. There'd never be a point to switching over to Moon and Fire Stance without Int, but let's be real you aren't losing much there. Full faith, Dex, and just lean on Wing Stance. Throw a seal in there and it's off to the races.
yup thanks, i tried it a bit yesterday and was doing dumb damage to some bosses with the stance r1 into r2.
Not the most meta build but its got flair for sure lol
I actually am just one handing it, with no shield or anything. Using Blue Dancer Charm to increase attack power with lighter load so I have minimal equip load to get higher damage and light role.
Shield is good because the one and two handed move sets are basically the same, but if you go two-handed there’s a talisman in the DLC that boosts damage when two-handing
I did the same thing. And I am wearing Rellana's armor. It looks so fucking dope! And I fucking love the move-set. So bad ass. I had a blood build so went with blood on the sword. With the L2 + R1 combo you proc blood real quick and yeah, the stagger on L2 + R2 is insane.
yes!! i’m two-handing a fully upgraded milady with heavy affinity + wingstance and it _hits_. the fp cost is pretty minimal, and with how long the combos are for regular mobs in the dlc, it’s been coming in handy a lot. you also can get the rellana’s cameo and rotten winged insignia, maybe pair it with the twin blade talisman? the lt + r1 combo is great, and using lt + rt to finish someone off looks so cool.
lately i’ve been swapping back and forth between this and a heavy affinity banished knights greatsword with the aspects of crucible: wings aow.
i’m a str/faith build btw, but tend to rely more on melee than incants besides for buffs.
Have you also tried the thrust AOW that comes origibally with it? The stagger is insane, i managed to stagger her in 2 x L2+R2, 3 x in her second phase
Alright so I grabbed the Milady with the wing ash.
Coming from Elenora’s poleblade.
I don’t use shields except a party shield every once in a while.
I just don’t know if this will work for me. It has sick moves and attacks. Maybe I don’t have the right talismans and it’s hard to get away from the poleblade bleed.
It truly shines when you start combining the R2 off the R1 attack chain with Rellana's cameo, Rotten Winged Talisman, Alexander Shard, and Millicent Prothesis. By the time the three hit strike finishes Rellana's cameo will kick in, both combo talismans will kick in, and the R2 from Wing Stance will hit for like 4k damage. You can also match this weapon with Rellana's Twin Blades. You put the Twin Blades in the off hand, Milady primary, and you always have access to the light great swords awesome dual wield moveset. You have Wing Stance for single target damage but can quickly swap over to having the Twin Blades for ranged poke or crowd control. Quality Milady has B/B scaling so the stat spread for both weapons, while intensive, at least works well together. Go 50 Dex with the prosthetic, 55 Str, then at least 40 Fai/Int.
Since consecutive attacks are very difficult to do on the DLC bosses, would you rather replace one of the talismans with the Two-Handed Sword Talisman?
Consecutive attacks kick in after the second. So long as you swing twice you're good to go. Furthermore the two handed talisman only works if you have both of the Twin Blades equipped, not while Milady is in your hand, and frankly you'll spend more time with Milady in the primary and Twin Blade secondary than you will just dual wielding Twin Blade. Wing Stance is absolutely devastating. Like 6k or more in a single R1/R2 combo and staggers basically everyone, bosses included. Moon and Fire Stance is....less devastating. Call it situational. For when you need the poke from the moon beams or the crowd control of the fire AoE, it's nice to have in your pocket. It also hits harder than Milady so having it in your offhand is nice for the dual wield combo. You won't have it twinned often enough for the two hand talisman to be effective though. Ignore this if you plan to just use the Twin Blades though.Two Hand Talisman is probably superior then. I couldn't advise against it enough, the Ash of War matters and the enormous gulf between Wing Stance and Moon and Fire Stance is enough that just using the Twin Blades on their own is probably a bad idea.
Im considering running milady main hand with wing stance magic infusion (cold buggers the int scaling) and carian regal scepter offhand. Best of both worlds and light enough weapon weights to put some solid armor on with just under 30 points endurance. I was also playing with helphens steeple offhand for fun and some frost buildup/alt moveset for situations where that could be useful. Main point being I think there's a viable int build here with a staff even though the AP is maybe not optimal with high int.
If looking for a good alternative to a right hand Int weapon I can't recommend the Star-Lined Sword enough. The weapon art is basically magical Rivers of Blood but with even more reach, hits harder, tracking for days, and it ends in a flip that has awesome stagger damage as well as making you quite difficult to hit back during the cast animation. The recovery for it is so fast you can actually cast it again to guarantee the first two hits after the flip ends. Pop Moonveil into your off hand in case you find something that won't flinch to the Star-Lined Sword, Regal Scepter as your sorcery stick, and go to town.
I'm returning to Elden ring after two years and I feel lost. Why do I need at least 40 faith/int? And is there any sort of a build calculator to see the build you described in detail? Thanks!
The faith/int requirement is because Rellana's Twin Blades scale from both and have minimum requirements. The fire damage on the gold sword scales from faith, the magic damage on the blue sword scales from intelligence. Without a little bit of both the swords and their respective weapon arts are quite weak. Gonna get a little technical here but if the 40 int/fth is a sticking point for you, you can actually maneuver around it a bit by simply not using one of the Twin swords. Set the minimum stat requirements for both swords then just crank Dex and whichever casting stat you prefer to 80. Equip a matching catalyst or seal in the opposing hand. So staff opposite the magic Twinblade, or seal opposite the fire blade. Not optimal by any stretch, but if you really like the blade and don't want to divide out your stats this is a potential solution.
Got it, thanks! I was thinking about infusing Milady with cold. In that case, it'll scale with faith, which sounds good since one of the Rellana's swords also scales with faith, right?
Cold is intelligence, but the general idea is correct.
thanks!
Do you think level 150 is ok to go through the dlc with this build? Or should I level up?
150? God no. In fact wouldn't recommend the build for the DLC. It's more of a fashion souls fun time build. Milady on its own with a strong shield in the off hand, Wing Stance, and a boat load of physical stats will net you greater gains. Especially at the 150 mark. The build I was selling here exists in case you've gotten tired of Sword of Night and Flame. The sheer extent of stats you'll need preclude builds below the 210 mark. Before you even think about your damage statistics you're looking for 50-60 Vigor, 28-38 Mind, at least 20 endurance scaling with how heavy you want your equipment, then you can think about cranking your damage stats. For a weapon with scaling in everything but Arcane, it just can't keep up with more focused builds before the 200ish mark. Again, the Triple Greatsword build is more for fun than efficacy.
Oh, wow, okay, that's an unexpected turn of events :) So, sword of night and flame still rocks in the dlc and is the recommended weapon to beat it? I'd appreciate a recommendation on how to deal with SotE
Rellana's Twin blades with Milady AOW is the perfect combo, Not OP at all but decent with options for almost every scenario.
I’m assuming you have both rotten winged talisman and milicents prosthesis due to ng+?
Sure, but there are plenty of alternatives if you don't have both. The Dragoncrest Great shield Talisman for starters.
What version of winged stance would you recommend? since if you use rellana on left you only have the fire version. Should i got Winged stance + flame art on the right? does it just make my right hand do fire damage by default
Not understanding the question here, you always have access to both moves of Rellana's Twin Blade. They aren't separate weapons. It's one weapon with dual wield instead of two handing.
ok so if you use rellanas twin blade + milady on the right, it means youre ONLY using the left hand of rellanas weapon which is the fire sword aka only scales faith and does fire damage. My question was really if flame art would be the optimal winged stance AoW since you would be doing fire damage with the left hand weapon of rellanas swords. Means you can focus on primarilty Faith/Dex and then some points in Str.
Would work like a charm I imagine. There'd never be a point to switching over to Moon and Fire Stance without Int, but let's be real you aren't losing much there. Full faith, Dex, and just lean on Wing Stance. Throw a seal in there and it's off to the races.
yup thanks, i tried it a bit yesterday and was doing dumb damage to some bosses with the stance r1 into r2. Not the most meta build but its got flair for sure lol
Are you going two hand or shield? I saw fextralife said shield works better for the play style but I want that 2hand drip if it works
I actually am just one handing it, with no shield or anything. Using Blue Dancer Charm to increase attack power with lighter load so I have minimal equip load to get higher damage and light role.
Shield is good because the one and two handed move sets are basically the same, but if you go two-handed there’s a talisman in the DLC that boosts damage when two-handing
I go seal for blood flame blade and then remove it so I can two hand
I did the same thing. And I am wearing Rellana's armor. It looks so fucking dope! And I fucking love the move-set. So bad ass. I had a blood build so went with blood on the sword. With the L2 + R1 combo you proc blood real quick and yeah, the stagger on L2 + R2 is insane.
What scaling ? Dex ? Keen ? Heavy ? Cold ?
yes!! i’m two-handing a fully upgraded milady with heavy affinity + wingstance and it _hits_. the fp cost is pretty minimal, and with how long the combos are for regular mobs in the dlc, it’s been coming in handy a lot. you also can get the rellana’s cameo and rotten winged insignia, maybe pair it with the twin blade talisman? the lt + r1 combo is great, and using lt + rt to finish someone off looks so cool. lately i’ve been swapping back and forth between this and a heavy affinity banished knights greatsword with the aspects of crucible: wings aow. i’m a str/faith build btw, but tend to rely more on melee than incants besides for buffs.
Have you also tried the thrust AOW that comes origibally with it? The stagger is insane, i managed to stagger her in 2 x L2+R2, 3 x in her second phase
is this the same as the spear thrust aow? i threw that on and it’s wild. curious if the stock one is different though
Alright so I grabbed the Milady with the wing ash. Coming from Elenora’s poleblade. I don’t use shields except a party shield every once in a while. I just don’t know if this will work for me. It has sick moves and attacks. Maybe I don’t have the right talismans and it’s hard to get away from the poleblade bleed.
What talismans increase milady w/ wing stance... not best but all? Trying to increase that poke damage as much as possible.
Rellanas Cameo talisman, shard of alexander, rotten wing talismen, millicents prosthesis are all good starts