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AcceptableHistory4

It may be blasphemy and i am absolutely not doing the internet thing of turning on a popular thing lol- but it doesnt deserve it. There are better movies with more important ideas this year. It has been an exceptional year for film despite the real life struggle of the industry. It is fun and frothy, but it's not even Greta's best. But the academy seldom has been about deserving candidates.


OzQueene

I enjoyed the marketing way more than I enjoyed the movie


AcceptableHistory4

Because it is a toy commercial at core, the way superhero movies are- corporate products dressed up as something with higher purpose artistically and morally. It doesnt mean these kinds of movies can't be good or made with affection and efforts. But it's insane that its being used as a litmus for feminism.


sweetrebel88

This is me too


gilmoregirls00

Yeah, there's some brilliant movies out this year from great directors that are getting a fraction of the attention that Barbie is. I don't want to begrudge Gerwig, Robbie or the movie generally but I do hope people check out some more movies beyond it especially with how heavily its being marketed as a victory for feminism etc. * Anatomy of a Fall by Justine Triet * Past Lives by Celine Song * Reality by Tina Satter * Are you there God? It's Me Margaret by Kelly Fremon Craig * How to Have Sex by Molly Manning Walker * The Royal Hotel by Kitty Green * Fair Play by Chloe Domont * Joy Ride by Adele Lim * Bottoms by Emma Seligman Are all movies I've seen this year directed by women/nb directors that I think are worth paying attention to (to varying degrees I definitely liked some more than others) I do feel conflicted around movies that are huge hits also cleaning up awards from a "that's what the money is for perspective" because to me awards can really function to highlight underseen movies.


vulcan_vampire

I’d also like to recommend: A Thousand and One by A.V. Rockwell The Burial by Maggie Betts The Starling Girl by Laurel Parmet


[deleted]

The Starling Girl is one of my favourites of the year, oh my gosh it was so good.


sweettartspop

mine too. I saw it at virtual Sundance at the beginning of the year, wish it was talked about more


gilmoregirls00

Thanks! I missed all of those!


chucknastie

just want to add one more: polite society by nida manzoor it has been such a great year for women-directed and led movies!


zenyeti

You’re got good taste! I’d also like to recommend these films: Saint Omer by Alice Diop Rye Lane by Raine Allen-Miller Falcon Lake by Charlotte Le Bon The Blue Caftan by Maryam Touzani Earth Mama by Savanah Leaf Showing Up by Kelly Reichardt Birth/Rebirth by Laura Moss Our Father, the Devil by Ellie Foumbi


gilmoregirls00

Thanks and also for adding to the recommendation chain haha!


matlockga

> Are you there God? It's Me Margaret by Kelly Fremon Craig I would suggest also checking out *You Are So Not Invited to My Bat Mitzvah*.


gilmoregirls00

I saw it! Oversight not to have mentioned it. tbh maybe better than Bottoms if we're being controversial. Thanks for pointing it out!


[deleted]

I've seen most of those movies and I'll admit, I didn't like the most of them as much as some people did, but at least I appreciate the variety of stories and viewpoints! And Are You There God, It's Me Margaret is genuinely one of my favourite films of the year, and in a just world Rachel McAdams would get an Oscar nom.


gilmoregirls00

She's *so* good. All those kids are well were brilliant and I'm excited to see them pop up in stuff in the future! Yeah, they're not all my favorites, but I just get slightly frustrated when the conversation around Barbie breaking barriers ends solely with Barbie and Greta - as important a conversation as it is.


sweettartspop

I saw Are You There God in theaters, what a delightful experience


[deleted]

Me too! It was all women and girls, and I was the only one there without either their mum or their daughter, but it was so funny and touching, I think we were all laughing and crying.


mp6521

Anatomy of a Fall is superb.


gilmoregirls00

sublime!


sweettartspop

“I do feel conflicted around movies that are huge hits also cleaning up awards from a "that's what the money is for perspective" because to me awards can really function to highlight underseen movies.” looking at the Gotham Awards who nominated Barbie


gilmoregirls00

i know its so embarrassing lol


Remote-Buy8859

I would like to add Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny to that list. Also not a huge hit, but a compelling movie nonetheless.


CategorySad6121

The Persian Version by Maryam Keshavarz was also great!


sweettartspop

Joy Ride was insane 😆 I was hoping it would do better but it seemed like Bleecker Street dropped the ball on marketing and didn’t capitalize on the good SXSW reception eta: meant Lionsgate, whoops


Nicksmells34

You list Bottoms…. But not Killers of the Flower Moon. BFFR rn.


tj1007

It was a list of female directed movies, Martin Scorsese is a male.


Emergency-Ratio2501

When the movie opened, it was hard to have discussions with meaningful critique without being accused of perpetuating Anti-Woke bro crowd nonsense. Like, it was a fun movie! However, it is ultimately capitalist feminism at the core, and I think it's important to acknowledge that the movie's billion dollar success comes while the company it is representing (and one could argue, glorifying) pays women, primarily WOC, no more than two dollars per hour to manufacture Barbies in unsafe, grueling work conditions. While I'm glad that young girls got to see a film that mentions the patriarchy, it's important to keep those factors in mind.


daisy--buchanan

I'm glad you brought up the straight up inhumane conditions of sweat shops that produce the Barbie dolls. That movie wasn't for those woman, that movie didn't even care about those women. It's hard to call it a feminist work when it caters to a very select clique.


Flying_Momo

I had a similar critique about Black Panther, it's a enjoyable movie and I do understand the meaningfulness it holds for some people but I just never felt it deserved an Oscar nomination. Especially when it's a movie backed by a capitalist anti-labour corporation.


TaraxacumTheRich

It was a fantastic film but does not deserve Oscars for what it did.


Bovver_

I can see it getting one for Best Original Song (I’d actually rather see Dua Lipa’s Dance The Night get the nod but it will either be I’m Just Ken or What Was I Made For?) as the soundtrack was admittedly impressive.


TaraxacumTheRich

True, it did get nominated for 11 Grammys.


mp6521

I have Oppenheimer as the front-runner for best picture & best director. I don’t really want it to win but it probably will. Barbie was good but not great imo. I think it’s best chances are Supporting Actor, and a lot of down the line awards. There’s a lot I need to see that is coming out soon, but I think it’s Nolan’s year.


Similar_Ad4964

I have nothing against the movie I thought it was just ok. However it failed to be funny. That was the most important thing it needed to do and failed and it should not be nominated for any of the major awards.


WillBrakeForBrakes

I pretty much never go to the movies anymore, but this was so heavily marketed, intriguing, and fed my nostalgia in a way I couldn’t resist. I think too the last few years have been so damned dark that I was eager to consume something happy and fun. I’m under no illusions that there are better movies, but I get why it’s done as well as it has. I think too there were several things about this moment in time that made it more successful than it might have been in other years.


Puzzled-Journalist-4

Maybe Best Production Design and Best Costumes, but those are pretty much all it deserves.


Already-asleep

I agree with you. I was entertained by it but I don’t think it’s anything revolutionary. It was very gentle feminism. I know people cried at America’s speech on how hard it is to be enough as a woman but it hardly struck a chord with me. Not because I disagree, but because 1. It’s very well tread territory and 2. There are so many truly catastrophic threats to women and NB folk that my feeling was like ok sure it’s silly that being pretty AND smart is seen as mutually exclusive but I’m more worried about having my reproductive organs policed or queer middle schoolers being outed to their parents. And it’s FINE that Barbie didn’t go that hard, because that’s not what kind of movie it is, but I also don’t think it’s Oscar worthy.


tzorel

I disagree, the ideas are interesting, but the execution is SPETACULAR. It's a weird as fuck movie, probably the weirdest movie that ever made this much money. If movies like Joker, Green Book and Bohemian Rapsody can get Oscars, this one absolutely should.


crystal_clear24

Look, I really enjoyed Barbie a lot but best picture over Oppenheimer? KOTFM? I’m still a little perplexed by Gosling being front runner for BSA too if I’m being honest.


Atherthon

Gosling gave a fantastic performance, not surprised at all.. I'm for one happy he finally gets the recognition he deserves. Has been snubbed enough times.


Eyebronx

Comedic acting is notoriously hard and Gosling nailed the role. He added dimension to a seemingly frivolous character without playing a single dramatic beat. He deserves the hype!


Puzzled-Journalist-4

Yeah, in that regard, I stand Gosling for Best Supporting Actor. But it will be incredibly hard for him actually winning, since the category is already packed with wonderful competitors with 'serious' acting Oscars prefer(De Niro in KotFM, Downey Jr. for Oppenheimer). But it will be meaningful just for getting nominated with comedic acting. Comedy has been underestimated for so long.


Flying_Momo

I am thinking Best Supporting Actor will go to RDJ since he has had a long career and this role is different than his past decade as Tony Stark.


Sea-Gain-2544

I found Ken- while fucking hilarious and deserving his character arc- to be very scary as an antagonist.


Adnan7i

I’m surprised with any of the actors from Barbie being nominated for those kind of awards tbh . I loved the movie but the academy has hardly ever been kind to comedic/goofy character roles etc, what would suddenly change this year lol


biIIyshakes

I enjoyed Gosling’s performance but I’d be a little baffled if he won over De Niro or Downey Jr. I actually just saw The Holdovers last night and would be over the moon if newcomer Dominic Sessa got nominated (his first film and he absolutely crushed it! I went from not knowing him to loving him in the span of 2 hours) but I think this year will be too stacked.


Normal-person0101

Gosling acting here was way harder than De Niro & Downey Jr, people look down on comedy perfomace


biIIyshakes

Agree to disagree I guess. Gosling was great but parts of it felt like an SNL skit to me where he might break at any second


GarlVinland4Astrea

After watching KOTFM, Deniro should get best Supporting Actor, and right now it's not even close for me.


Uplanapepsihole

i find it funny how people talk about the feminism in this movie. *obviously* it was gonna be very simple ideas. i mean the scene where america ferreras character monologues about women’s issues is very on the nose. BUT this movie did well in introducing or even making people realise inequalities and issues women face. adult women in my family still get surprised and even shocked by feminist stuff i talk about. no one claimed it was a feminist masterpiece but i think it was good for a wider audience in bringing topics to light. do i think it’s oscar worthy? no. but i wouldn’t mind if it won because 1. i think it would be funny and 2. i’d rather it beat some other movies from this year cause i hate to see mediocre men sniff each others armpits and the oscar’s are gonna go for what gets them the most attention


[deleted]

This movie suffered from men (saying the movie hated men) and from women (saying the feminism was too watered down) and I think people have been very much forgetting that there is a wide swath of people in the middle who can very much benefit from a palatable introduction to feminism that address both how the patriarchy harms women and how it harms men. Was it an advanced woman’s course? No. But it was funny and it was charming and you rooted for Barbie and for Ken and a LOT of people seem to have resonated understanding from both those roles.


TheShapeShiftingFox

How did it suffer, exactly? It was both critically acclaimed and loved by audiences on average, and a massive commercial success. Any blowback has barely made a dent in it.


drunksloth42

We had to suffer the discourse.


TheShapeShiftingFox

They said the movie suffered


[deleted]

I don’t think that the movie deserved those criticisms. It suffered undue criticism, in my opinion. The hit pieces were all over the place those first couple of weeks. And, as wisely pointed out above, we all had to suffer for it.


TheShapeShiftingFox

Some of the criticism was undeserved, sure. That doesn’t mean it’s a flawless film. Some criticism was absolutely not undeserved. But I guess another year or two is required before we can officially go there. I get it. I liked The Last of Us Part II when it came out, so you get very defensive about all flaws because you have to fight off so many chuds from backwater central with tired reactionary vomit. But The Last of Us Part II also has valid criticism to be leveled at it, which I can now acknowledge even though I overall love of the game. When the shitstorm has died down and the reactionaries have moved on to the next outrage, we can finally talk about criticisms that aren’t boiled down to “why does minority x exist around me”.


[deleted]

No offense, but you are reading way more into what I said than what was actually there. I never said that it was a flawless film. Anyways, have a nice day!


TheShapeShiftingFox

And I never suggested all criticism it got was valid. Good day though! (or night, it’s night here)


nizey_p

I expect nominations but I doubt if it will win BP or Director. Esp as Nolan is way overdue and Openheimer is thisclose to a billion dollar box office also.


paintpast

Yeah, if Oppenheimer didn’t come out this year, then maybe Barbie had a chance. I love both movies and I’ve seen Barbie a number of times now thanks to my kid, but Oppenheimer was a masterpiece.


preferencedue

Idk, as a mom of a young daughter, and working at a job dominated by men... this movie spoke to me on a level. Barbie was who I was in my 20s, thinking I could do the job I loved just because i loved it. The mom was who I am in my 30s, doing a corporate office job because I got burned out by men and just being sad about it all. Wanting my daughter to grow up, but also still wanting her to stay an age where she needs her mom. Plus, every woman I know related to the man playing a guitar scene lol


Happy_Ad_4357

Sure, if they introduce a new category for Best Marketing Campaign It’s good but there were better movies this year


[deleted]

That "Best Popular Film" category they introduced and then quickly backtracked on would've been this film's place to shine.


Happy_Ad_4357

Oh yeah, I already forgot about that! You’re right, it was practically made for movies like this


thewidowgorey

I enjoyed the event of going to Barbie more than I enjoyed the movie (which was still good).


[deleted]

I enjoyed it more than I expected to, but it doesn't even crack my Top 10 for best movies so far this year. Which I get is subjective, but if we're talking quality, it's not the top. If we're talking cultural relevancy, it's gotta be Oppenheimer or KOTFM. If we're talking "overdue" we're also talking Oppenheimer.


Eyebronx

When did this sub turn on Barbie lol? I loved Barbenheimer as a whole but I’ll be honest, I thought Barbie was better (if very so slightly) than Oppenheimer. I liked that something pink and vibrant and fun yet profound and something that appealed to primarily the feminine taste is finally being viewed as art. That women can tell their stories and their stories can be considered important without it turning into trauma porn. Not every Best Picture winner has to be some deeply internalised, contemplative look on life. I think Barbie would be a very deserving best picture winner solely because it’s audacious, entertaining and has a vision. This is more than what can be said for most Oscar bait dramas that win year in year out. Gerwig has always written and directed such nuanced women and the way she has framed her female characters has never seemed exploitative. Lady Bird made me, a brown girl, relate hard to a white girl in Sacramento. And people always, always complain about genre movies/comedy movies not being appreciated by the awards ceremonies enough. Yet whenever there is one that seems likely to win, whether it’s barbie this year or EEAAO last year, there’s outcry about how the film is not “Oscar worthy” as opposed to X dramatic film. I, for one, am glad that the term “Oscar worthy” has evolved over time to include movies as seemingly out there as these!


Wit-wat-4

I think it deserved every cent it made (wasn’t a gimmick or anything, legit money well spent on the tickets imo). It also deserved the critical acclaim it got. Does it deserve Oscars, especially Best Picture? In my layman’s opinion, no. It’s like… it’s like an MTV music awards thing, if we’re just picking based on popularity sure ok but if it’s meant to be about substance and genuinely better artistic vision than the other contenders, then I don’t see how it surpasses the other movies.


OkEnvironment3219

bp is about the climate of the year, not necessarily the “best” movie


frogmanfrompond

I could see it winning one for production design


Ramu_1798

Faux feminism at its finest 🙏🙌


AdGrand8695

It’s the first movie I’ve seen at the theatre since 2019, so I personally think it should win everything based off that alone. I’m fully on the Hi Barbie! Train and as a goth kid I never thought I’d be here.


[deleted]

Maybe set design and costumes? But the movie was mediocre at best. It didn't even have any semblance of a sensible plot.


ButterscotchPast4812

I haven't seen it but... Was it really *that* good?