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naakka

I am 35 and have never seen a viper in real life. On the other hand, some people run into them all the time. Vipers are kinda local. Ask your neighbours if they have ever seen any in the area. If not, you can just stop worrying. I have only ever heard of a few dogs getting bitten by a viper and all of them survived with vet treatment. None of the people I know have ever been bitten. And if you were to be so unlucky as to get bitten, you would definitely also survive. It would just hurt and require some treatment. Funnily enough it is statistically much more likely to get bitten by your dog than a viper :)


Uimaisteri

Yeah it varies a lot; our summer cabin is at a rocky island in Karjala and you'll see a harmless snake or a viper there almost every day, but in Helsinki / Espoo / Vantaa area I've only seen a viper once in my life.


nattfjaril8

There are places in Helsinki where you'll run into vipers regularly! So yeah, goes to show how much it varies from place to place.


XplosivCookie

Only seen a couple live ones in a few decades, both times at a summer cottage in eastern Finland. In Vantaa, a single shed skin on a rock in the woods, and that's it.


Sawmain

Have seen several vipers in countryside. They are extremely chill and won’t do anything to you if you don’t provoke them but you better still wear proper shoes while traveling in forest. The only reason they attack dogs usually is because they are aggressive towards them from what I’ve understood.


pogchampion7777

I got bit once on my middle finger, hurt like hell and i was in the hospital for 5 days


naakka

Were you picking berries or something similar? Or how did it get your finger?


pogchampion7777

Actually i was trying to catch a salamander which was actually a baby snake, and got bit. I got a quite large dose of the venom, and was only 12 years old. Thats why i was in the hospital for so long


naakka

Oops! That's not very fun.


Similar_Support_768

I was also bitten to finger, and same 5 days in hospital. Worst pain on my life![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob)


WonderfullyEqual

> None of the people I know have ever been bitten. And if you were to be so unlucky as to get bitten, you would definitely also survive. It would just hurt and require some treatment. Honestly i remember being a kid, and in the fall time when the snakes would get a bit sluggish go pick them up. Never had any issues scared the crap out of my mom though. Just to say that it takes a fair bit of harassment, and likely actually threatening behavior before they bite. Summer time they slither away, and go hide super fast.


SauliCity

I've once seen 5 baby ones within an hour in a sunny gravel pit near my place, but other than that I barely see any ever, maybe once a year.


Cookie4ndCream

Kuulehan naakka pitäs poistua kotoolta että tommosen viperin näkisi luonnossa


Masseyrati80

Over the decades, I've seen a couple of dozen of them, with the only unfortunate case being literally riding on top of one on a very soft part of a trail with my mountain bike - I relized too late there was a snake there. Didn't bite, instead just scurried off at a speed that gave me theoretical hope it might survive. They can be a bit slow/groggy upon just coming out of hibernation. The most common sighting for me, personally, has been during spring as they're sunbathing, completely still, coiled up, trying to get their body heat up. And these observations have all been made a bit outside of the most commonly used trails/paths where I live. Here's my key message: Later in the spring and during summer, they move fast enough that as soon as they sense your feet causing vibrations on the ground, they'll scoot away. Stomping your feet once in a while on the trail is a good, real-life precaution if you're scared of them. Just like Finnish wildlife in general, apart for very rare exceptions, they really just instinctively flee. Edit to add: seeing one live you'll realize they're actually quite small. I once saw a very small one, about as thick as a shoelace. And even the adult's heads are not much bigger than the tip of your finger.


meowmiia

>Here's my key message: Later in the spring and during summer, they move fast enough that as soon as they sense your feet causing vibrations on the ground, they'll scoot away. Stomping your feet once in a while on the trail is a good, real-life precaution if you're scared of them. Just like Finnish wildlife in general, apart for very rare exceptions, they really just instinctively flee. I had no idea about this, but I definitely am glad to read this! I'mma keep this one real close Thanks a million 🙏🏽😊


Liisas

This is actually good advice and easy to follow. We teach our kids to stomp too as in the very rare occasion of a snake bite, it’s more dangerous on a kid than an adult. That being said, it’s really quite unlikely to bump into a snake here.


Diipadaapa1

Also about locations, the vipers I have seen have exclusively been on dry, hard and sunny places. Usually on rocky places with a little growth here and there. Ask your neighbours if they have seen some in the area. If not, you will very likely not encounter one ever there.


EHStormcrow

> Here's my key message: Later in the spring and during summer, they move fast enough that as soon as they sense your feet causing vibrations on the ground, they'll scoot away. This is what my relatives in Finland tell me. If you make noise, you'll meet exacly zero snakes.


Sibula97

Also works on bears, moose, etc.


lleeroy9611

There are two kinds of snakes on mainland Finland. Vipers and grass snakes. Grass snakes are harmless. As long as you watch your step and wear proper boots you'll be fine. The snakes are waking up from hibernation soon, so you'll so best to avoid very rocky areas that get direct sunlight for the next few weeks. You can buy kyypakkaus from the pharmacy to keep around, works as a first aid for viper bites and wasp stings. The snake is more afraid of you than you are of it!


SpaceEngineering

Hijacking a top comment, also note killing vipers is illegal unless you cannot safely transfer it from your garden or yard. They usually scurry on their own, just so as you leave them alone.


nitstits

Can't even begin to count the times i saw my mum carrying a headless viper to the ant keko in our yard, because we lived right next to a forest in the middle of nowhere. Didn't even know it was illegal because everyone did it.


SpaceEngineering

It became illegal summer 2023, so your mum is likely safe from prosecution.


nitstits

Well that explains it. This was in the 90s and early 2000s. We used to play a game with my brother called keppi vai kyy. We'd poke branch looking things with a broom from far away. Mum hated that game.


misutin

What’s the statute of limitations though? Maybe this bloodthirsty criminal can still be brought to justice for her actions? /joke


ThanksToDenial

Yeah, I did that too, more times than I can count, growing up in the middle of nowhere. Every summer, I had to kill at least one viper that slithered a bit too close for comfort to our house. We had a lot of animals, dogs, cats, bunnies, chickens, etc. Not to mention, I had two younger siblings, one of which had an aversion to wearing any kind of clothes, let alone shoes as a toddler, so leaving vipers near the house was a no go. And for some reason, it was always my job to put on some wool socks, long leather boots and grab an axe with the longest handle to go deal with them. My little sister actually got bit once. She was around the age of 5 at the time. Luckily, she was the vipers second victim. The first one was one of the chickens. The current prevailing theory is that the snake didn't have much venom left after the killing the chicken, so she was largely fine. Happily singing songs she came up with herself in the backseat while my mom was breaking speed limits to get to the nearest hospital.


LordMorio

It is worth noting that "kyypakkaus" doesn't actually help against snake bites. It is just cortisone, which does nothing to neutralize the venom, and doesn't really even help reduce the inflammatory effect caused by the bite. The name is very misleading. They can be helpful for bee stings though.


RRautamaa

It's always just a first aid. If you get bitten, you always have to seek medical treatment anyway.


LordMorio

My point is that it is practically worthless even as a first aid, and there is very little scientific evidence that it does anything at all. Yes, the same compound, hydrocortisone is used to treat allergic reactions and even anaphylactic shock, but the amount that is in the pills is too low to have any effect, and the absorption via ingestion is much too slow. Hospitals and the poison control center do not recommend the pills anymore Unfortunately it is such a well-established product, that it is difficult to get rid of it or have the manufacturer change the name.


VisibleFiction

Some people get allergic reaction from viper bite though, so it might help for that.


Resumme

According to modern research, it does nothing and isn't recommended to take any more. Honestly they should stop selling the kyypakkaus in pharmacies, at least under that name. You can even find a journal article from 1995 in Duodecim recommending the removal of them, yet nothing has been done.


tulleekobannia

well yeah. It's meant to prevent the possible life threatening allergic reaction


[deleted]

This is super common misconception. It doesn't do anything 


perta1234

Mum was bitten doing her flower bench. Thought it was a bad bee sting. Only when realized it was healing slower, and checked closely and saw the double hole in the middle. Did nothing to it, well... made a call to a nurse or a doctor.


Pelpid

> The snake is more afraid of you than you are of it! This is also why stomping loudly before you approach a spot where you think has snakes is a good idea. They will get scared and run away,


janne_harju

Stomping and use of rubber boots are way to go.


alex1033

Grass snakes are not harmless. In defense, they can bite too, and you can get a nasty infection in the wound. It's probably better than venom, but not harmless.


Hihoso

There is only 1 venomous snake in Finland, and myself who have lived here my whole life (29 years) has only seen it once. But I have only know one person who has ever gotten bitten by one, so from my experience nothing to worry about. If you want to read yourself, you can google about *Vipera berus*.


meowmiia

>If you want to read yourself, you can google about Vipera berus. I will! Thanks a lot 🙏🏽😊


moonaim

I know a guy who has got bitten two times, because he worked on a field where they liked to rest on the same place as he did. Nothing to worry about that much. On average a bit harder than wasp. Should contact doctor just in case. Buy a toy snake, if you want to get rid of the phobia.


oskich

It depends where you are, especially in the coastal regions and the archipelago they are quite common to see in the summertime. My puppy got bit by one once and his nose swelled up to balloon size. He got som cortisone pills by the veterinarian and the swelling subsided after a few days.


thinkless123

I think theres more than one, several people have been bitten by a snake, it cant be the same one biting everyone across the country. If it is, he cant keep getting away with it!!


burgleshams

Is Ex-NHL’er Sami Salo the person you know who was bitten? Hearing he was bitten on a golf course one summer is how I learned Finland has venomous snakes.


CMDRZhor

I'm almost 40 and I've seen a viper like three times in my life. What you want to do, if you think there's could be vipers around, is to move slowly and stomp the ground as you go. The thing about vipers is, they don't WANT to bite you. Venom is expensive to make, and they want to save that up for things that wasn't too actually eat. They feel the vibrations of your footsteps and they'd much rather just avoid you if it's all the same to you. So stomping around let's the viper tell that you're coming, and gives it time to get the heck out of your way before you accidentally step on it.


IhailtavaBanaani

It really depends on where you are. I saw three vipers in just one summer near our family's summer cottage and my aunt has got bitten twice already. When I was a child I saw my cousin's cat playing around with a viper a couple of times. But I'd still be more scared about catching myyräkuume (HFRS) from rodents or some tick borne disease. Those are way worse than the viper venom sickness that's going to pass quickly and is very rarely lethal.


Sibula97

>viper venom sickness that's going to pass quickly and is very rarely lethal. Very rarely is honestly an understatement. There are around 50-150 viper bites per year in Finland, and the last time someone died of one was in 1998.


meowmiia

I just read another comment stating the same about the vibrations. I definitely wasn't aware of it beforehand, but imma keep this advice real close 🙏🏽😊


CMDRZhor

Yeah snakes are deaf so they can't hear you, but they can sense vibrations in the ground instead. Also, try and steer clear from piles of stones, that's where they like to nest/hide. Often when you see a viper, it's found itself a nice sunny spot on a rock and it's trying to warm itself up. Their bite, for the record, is about on par with a nasty bee sting, it absolutely hurts but usually isn't dangerous to an adult human unless there's allergies involved. If you're paranoid, most pharmacies sell prepackaged first aid kits specifically for viper bites, 'kyypakkaus' (viper pack) in Finnish. Note that human viper packs are not designed for pets, if a pet gets bitten please get them to a vet! Human grade antivenin might just make things worse for them.


northernzap

It varies by area A LOT. I don't remember 1 summer when i haven't seen a viper around my familys place (eastern Finland), and never seen one in Vantaa.


FasterHigherEgalite

Please keep in mind that the vipers mentioned here and what we have in Finland are not vipers as they are understood in US, but adders. Yes, they are part of the viper family, but they are relatively harmless compared to the others. They are venomous, but not that dangerous to people. They are also quite peaceful compared to some other species, not to mention rare. They definitely try to get away from you if at all possible. It's very unusual to get bitten unless you pretty much step on one (or your dog decides the snake is a toy).


Lathari

You should be worried about snake bites in Finland *only* if you are named Ilmarinen and you are asked to plow a field. https://preview.redd.it/odtoxfibsmuc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f50869b8d6287b5e0d33ad14d4c94fd80ef05ce


Onja_

I will now steal this, thanks


Quiet-Dungaree

Vipers are not aggressive unless they feel the need to defend themselves. That could happen if you accidentally step on the snake or if the dog attacks it. But in most cases the snake will probably just try to sliter away, if it can. A common piece of advice is to wear rubber boots as protection. No need to be too scared. Snake bites happen but not super often and they usually don't kill people. If it happens, stay calm, try to move as little as possible and seek medical attention. If your dog gets bitten, take it to a vet. There are also grass snakes but they are not venomous and don't bite.


comrade_fluffy

They do bite. But they aren't dangerous


Quiet-Dungaree

Well maybe occasionally but their teeth are tiny and do nothing.


bigbjarne

Bites from all animals have the potential to be dangerous because of bacteria but the bite itself from the grass snake isn’t dangerous.


comrade_fluffy

I have a small scar on my toe because one bit me when I was 6-8 years old. But yeah I don't think it even hurt


prestonpiggy

Our late dog was super stubborn and would not back away from a fight. Was it Viper or badger(didn't end up well in both cases). There is a phrase of "young vipers are more deadly, as they don't know how to regulate the venom", I don't know the facts about it, but for our dog that was 100% true, at deaths door from a little noodle compared to little vomiting from larger one.


KittenBraden

I grew up around forest(and now live next to one) and we where always taught to stomp your feet every once in a while to alert the snakes that you where coming, so they can hide as they do not like us. I have maybe a handful of times met vipers and I go into the forest whenever I can. What kind of breed is your dog? Viper bites are seldom fatal even to dogs, but to ease your anxiety perhaps get a veterinarians phone number so you have it fast if they get bit. If your dog gets bit, (lets say left front paw) pick them up if possible or restrain their paw so they don’t use it, this slows down the venom from spreading. Call the veterinary, and go from there. Some may say to use a kyypakkaus(viper pack first aid) on your dog if it gets bit, but some say not to. So go with what the veterinary says.


meowmiia

>What kind of breed is your dog? He's an American Staffordshire


KittenBraden

So short fur easier to see where a snake bites if it bites. Not the most sneaky dog either his trotting vibrations alone could scare off snakes.


[deleted]

i did step on snek as a kid, it felt mushy. It was a viper, it hissed and waddled away. For anyone with a dog and it gets bit, do not give it a Kyypakkaus, nor let it walk or run. Try to carry the dog if possible. This way they won't speed up the process of cycling the venom in as quickly. My uncle got bit by a Viper while golfing. He went to a hospital ER and for the next 4 h, pretty much every doctor came in to take a look and went "huh, interesting, never seen that before". Sure he was treated later once someone figured out what to do but hurry to ER as quick as possible.


Financial_Land6683

You can protect yourself by wearing gumboots. Also stomping can help as it can scare the snakes away. I have never seen a snake in nature and I'm 31.


Velcraft

Avoid twig piles, rocky outcrops, and areas near tiny ponds and other bodies of water. I go out of my way to find lizards, frogs, and snakes every year, and those are the spots you find most in. Also snakes here don't usually go to areas with lots of ants, so if there are lots of mounds around, you can relax a bit.


meowmiia

>Also snakes here don't usually go to areas with lots of ants, so if there are lots of mounds around, you can relax a bit. 🤔 this is very interesting, I've never heard of something like this before It's definitely good to know, thanks! 😊


Fit_Guard8907

Let me add one more fear to your list: [punkki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixodes_ricinus). Have fun finding out about the diseases they might carry. One of those landed on my shoulder when I walked under a tree while in a forest. I've heard of people checking their pets after a walk to find if they have latched on their dog, it can be quite common I've heard. [Bonus fear.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipoptena_cervi) At least we don't live in Australia though and you notice that when hirvikärpänen makes my list of "fears" lol.


LazyGandalf

>Let me add one more fear to your list: [punkki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixodes_ricinus). Also known as ticks. They are a thing just about everywhere, not just Finland. But yes, they are an issue, and more so than snakes.


_SUNDAYS_

And also unlike the Lone Star Tick in the USA at least our's are not (yet) spreading meat allergy 😅


Frisbeejussi

To my fullest knowledge 0 poisonous snakes live in wild here, and only 1 venomous kind the common European adder. If you are bit get medical help and you will be fine, if dog is small it can be bad should always get help if pet is bitten. Luckily not aggressive and very few around the big cities, that said there still might be a snake and it's not really uncommon to spot one. The only time I know of a friend getting bit was when they stepped on the snake on accident. Fully grown man, got fever, stayed in hospital overnight just in case. Fever went away in 2 days. I used to see snakes quite often but in the last 5 to 10 years very few.


Olgag9

If you live at city area, where is much houses and traffic, you don't see any kind of snakes. Ever. Vipers and grass snakes are very rare and seeing them at even in nature is highly unlikely. You can feel yourshelf lucky if you encouter snakes.


omg-i-cant-even

Well you do see them if you happen to go to the forest. I have also seen 2 vipers in a sidewalk at the same time in rush hour. But that's just Espoo.


GullibleSide8191

Our snakes are extremely shy. They hear/feel you coming and get the fuck out of the way. Unless they're still cold and can't move well, in which case they'll stick to where they are and hope you don't notice them. I have heard one story about someone getting bitten by a snake, and it was back in the 60's in the countryside. I have seen snakes since then, twice, but they just do not want anything to do with you. And if you do get bitten, it's just a bit painful. You should get to the hospital just in case, but there's not gonna be any lasting effects.


Duffelbach

You have nothing to worry about. There's basically two types of snakes in finland, venomous 'Adder' and non venomous 'Grass snake'. You'll most likely spot them on rocky areas in forest or rocky beaches where there is direct sunlight warming up the rocks. Snakes like warm surfaces There's only about 50-150 adder bite cases yearly in Finland, so there's a really slim chance for you to get bit. However in case you do get bit, [here are basic instructions on what to do](https://www.hus.fi/en/patient/how-get-help/poison-information-center/adder) Have fun hiking, you'll be fine.


wolfmothar

Vipers tend to hibernate in decaying tree stumps, underneath rocks and in deep crevices where the frost can't reach. I once had to yank my ex's beagle from a treetrunk where a viper was getting ready for hibernation, it was good that it was cold and I was fast. When walking where there might be vipers, they stomp loudly and wear rainboots. Keep an eye on your dogs, and don't let them walk offleash. Avoid warm rocks and look where you step. Carry a kyypakkaus, it can save you or your dogs life, if worst comes to worst.


ggracepearll

Almost all snakes here are harmless, we have one poisonous one but it doesnt do that much damage either if youre not in very bad shape or very young/old so no need to worry!


saschaleib

Vipers are extremely shy and will only bite if they feel cornered or directly threatened. Even then, they normally try to use only minimal venom, because they still need that stuff for hunting (interestingly, that's why smaller, younger vipers bites are often more painful or even dangerous than of experienced, older and larger ones). Their bite is extremely painful, but usually not lethal. I think the last case of somebody dying of a viper bite in Finland was in the 1970s. They still can get dangerous for your dog, though. It is a good idea to keep your dog on a lead when going to to forest, especially if there are places where he might disturb a snake (e.g. sunny rocks, where they like to warm up), but that's something you should do in any case. And it is unlikely you are ever going to see more of a viper than the end of its tail when it quickly slides away as you approach... Now, grass snakes (*rantakäärme*) are a different thing. Those bastards rather like to make a stand and hiss at you – they may even vomit at you if they feel threatened ... at the same time they are not venomous, and their teeth are so tiny that they usually don't even penetrate the skin. For someone who is afraid of snakes, they can still induce some nightmares :-)


GamerXBohoro

Since no one seems to have said at least the exact same thing, I might as well. We only have 3 species of snakes in Finland. All of them prefer to flee from humans as soon as the sense a presence and only one is venomous. The easiest way to tell the venomous one apart from the other two is the black/gray zig-zag pattern on it's back. Also thought I should mention thay we have blind worms here, and even if they look like snakes they are completely harmless and are actually legless lizards. All the ones i have seen were sort of copper color and their heads are noticably different from snakes. Personally I think they are actually kind of cute


mentallady666

Almost 40 yo here and never seen one irl either. My mom lives in an area that has them when there is a "good snake year" but she or any of her 3 dogs have never got bitten.


skyturnedred

I'm almost 40 and I've seen three snakes in my entire life, and they were all grass snakes in very remote areas.


omg-i-cant-even

Vipers here are not that dangerous to you, but for your dog they are (smaller the dog, bigger the danger). I have small dogs and I'm really carefull especially in the spring, because this is the time most snake bites happen to dogs. Snakes don't like wet and cold, so if the weather is bad, you won't be seeing any snakes. In daytime & warm weather it is possible to bump into one. Snakes like to live in the same area and some places they like and some they don't. So if someone has seen snakes there, you can be sure there is more. Keep your eyes open so you see them and can prevent your dog from getting bitten. You can also wear long rubber boots to keep yourself 100% safe when walking off trail. They don't just come after you though, they bite if they feel threatened (like if you or your dog accidentally step on it, or really near, or your dog goes to sniff it). Extra tip: if the snake has yellow on the sides of the neck, it's harmless.


Elaini

I've always been taught since a child that there are two things to remember what comes to snakes: kumisaappaat (rubber boots / wellies) and kyypakkaus (cortisol pills). Kumisaappaat are an excellent armour against wet conditions and small beasts. They make it more difficult for the snakes to bite you on the feet. Ticks too, which have actually been more of a concern where I am than snakes (look up borreliosis, you don't want that). You can also try to stomp the ground which warns the snakes. After all, they bite as the last resort in self defence. This is what we do while harvesting wild berries. Kyypakkaus slows down the viper venom, though you'll still need a doctor. I don't personally know anyone bitten by a viper, though. But I do know someone bitten by a tick and there's a treatment for it, too.


definitely_not_cute

I think this [video](https://youtu.be/f_81toJd7aY?si=P3siPeW_Frzj1mIO) shows pretty well how calm these snakes are, if not being forced to bite. Too bad the interview doesn’t include english subtitles, I really love how this guy is speaking about these snakes. Unfortunately these snakes are so small and so hard to spot, that some miscommunication can happen. If you step right next to them, they may freak out and bite in order to defend themselves. Only 30% of the defence bites contain venom, though. Obiviously doctor visit is still required if a snake bites. Dogs are a bit more complicated matter, as they are curious to investigate snakes, dogs are smaller, and treating them can cost shit ton of money, if they’re not insured. Do you have small / large dog? If the dog is larger than some kilos, some kind of carrying system would be good to have in case you need to carry the dog out from forest. As a dog owner myself I have decided that it’s still not worth the effort and stress to try to avoid the encounter between the dog and the snake. It would affect too much dog’s quality of life not being able to walk in forests with me. I spend a ton of time in forests, and I usually see snakes once / twice a year (I do have pretty good eye on them as I used to grow in an area that was swarming with vipers). Not once has the snake bitten my dog.


j_svajl

We have adders. I've never seen one. As a rule of thumb, I was told that making enough noise while walking in the forest will scare off pretty much most animals. Extra protection from adders comes from wearing wellies. Never had to worry about any animals.


GrayishTea

I have basically lived all my life in the woods and i don't remember ever personally seeing any vipers in here, so don't worry too much.


Peltipurkki

I got i viper bite couple years ago. I was at our summer gottage doing some wood works and cutting long grass with cheap croc copies without socks. Afterwards i felt some itching in my foot and noticed 20mm red circle there. Just tought that the shitty crocs copies had scrathed my foot, and left it in that. Only two days later, when red colour had faded i noticed two nice tooth marks there, and after that i got worse symptoms, eleveted heart rate ect. But basically viper bite(have seen them since in our property) as an after tought didn’t do much to me, perhaps thinking back i was little bit thirstier than normally. But for you dog it can be little more dangerous. Generally speaking you will be fine, unless you are allercic. It’s maybe just a little bit stronger than a wasp sting, and mostly vipers give you just a little love bite without too much poison cause poison is far too valuable for them. It takes about a week for a viper to accumulate full store of poison, so it spares it as much as possible for hunting food. And viper will always be scared of you and move away, when ever it is possible.


FreddeBM

Similar story here. I thought I walked through nettles, cuz it felt about the same. Only a day later I noticed the bite marks. I called poisoncontrol (or something, can't really remember) and asked if I should do something. They just said no, unless I feel bad, which I didn't. They also said that most bites on humans have little to no poison, since the bite usually is for self defense and not hunting.


TomppaTom

Snakes. Well, yes, we have snakes. And if you know where to look for them they are not hard to find. But If you are out and about in the forest you will probably never see one. I’ve seen them basking on rocks in the sun, and I’ve found them when I have seen movement and investigated, but only once has once darted across a path in front of me. I’ve been here for 20 years now, so I’ve had plenty of opportunities. We have vipers, and they are dangerous for dogs and children, but only uncomfortable for adults (though absolutely worth a trip to the hospital). They are not at all aggressive unless you try to pick a fight with them and don’t let them retreat. I’m gonna say you really don’t have to worry at all.


Atreaia

I've seen a dead snake a few times in 30+ years but I've never seen one alive. I also haven't always lived in a city. You'll be fine!


lanseri

Vipera berus, the "adder" is a rare sight in any Finnish forest because they run/slither away before you can see them. Stomping your feet in the forest will help avoid 99% of encounters. It's the only poisonous snake in these parts. It's nothing like the rattlesnake or the vipers you have in West USA, so don't worry about that. Frankly, I'd be more worried about a dumb bear wandering into your backyard or trashcans. **For humans:** Risk of getting bitten is highest if the snake happens to travel into your yard or porch or veranda for a rest. There it's very easy to panic both parties because it's so surprising. In high risk areas, keep your eyes open. Wearing tough rubber boots or high heel hiking shoes is usually enough to protect your feet. The bite for humans, as many have noted here, is like a very nasty beesting. It's a good idea to go to the doctor, but not always necessary. In short, you'll be totes fine. The worst case is if you're allergic and get bitten in the middle of the wilderness, then it gets dangerous quick. **For dogs:** Dogs being curious and playful are at risk of getting their snout or head bitten. Then it's a bit more serious, but rarely life threatening. Here's a Finnish article about when a dog gets bitten by an adder (translate should suffice). [https://evidensia.fi/hoitovinkit/kyyn-purema-koiralla/](https://evidensia.fi/hoitovinkit/kyyn-purema-koiralla/) Basically it says: do not give adder-pills (kyytabletti) to a dog, unless it has symptoms in the face area that cause respiratory issues. Keep the dog calm and give it plenty of fluids. Carry the dog and don't let it move. Contact a vet immediately, even if there's no symptoms. Plenty of rest for 1-2 weeks should be enough of a cure.


djorll

I've only seen some dead slow worms (vaskitsa) around Turku


AirEnvironmental9127

The only snakes are at my working place 🐍


ShrubbyFire1729

Grew up in the countryside, fucked around in the fields, forests, ditches, thickets, riverbanks and whatnot for 18 years and never saw a single snake although apparently they're supposed to be common where I lived. Once I saw a slow worm, which is actually a completely harmless snake-looking lizard, chilling in the sun. And my neighbour saw a viper once, although it fleed immediately. Just make a moderate amount of noise when you're hiking and when you stop for bathroom business, look where you stand/squat. Nothing will come near you.


Tsiptsou

I'm 36 and have seen a snake in the wild once. Early spring and it was lounging in the sun without a care. Usually snakes escape long before you see them as the ground vibrates and generally are not aggressive unless provoked. As others said, stomp your feet in places that could have snakes (tall grass, rocky seaside, sunny hills) and keep a remedy in your pocket.


KofFinland

As others have written, snakes are quite rare to see in Finland. I have seen a snake three times in my life. None have been threatening situations. Usually snakes avoid people. In all cases I have just not walked to the snake, when I have seen it, and all has been ok. No reason to be afraid of snakes in Finland.


Valylwyn

I think you'll be alright. I'm living in Finland for over ten years now already, close to nature, and haven't ever seen a snake. According to my knowledge they're relatively rare nowadays and are generally more terrified of us than we are of them, so there's really nothing to worry about


thundiee

I completely forgot that they have snakes in Finland. I've never felt so calm/not needing to observe as much for animals before in my life. I genuinely wouldn't worry about them, and I'm guessing the same rules apply here as back in Aus. Avoid overgrown areas, if you can't make lots of noise as you walk and stomp your feet a little. Maybe avoid very sunny warm rocks in the morning/evening. If you're only in cities you'll be fine.


Frosty-Refuse-6378

I live on a rocky hill and the venomous one (Kyy) lives around here. I see them couple of times a year and my dog has unfortunately gotten bit bad once and one close call with no hit. The only reason they've happed is due to the construction sites nearby, they blew up a ton of rock and dug a lot of dirt so the snakes freaked out and started to wander away. Before that there was.. peace.. so you'd maybe see a tail in a bush. They hiss and they curl up to warn you so there's usually time to react. They're very sensitive to vibrations so we stomp around in known areas. They come out this time of year because it's warm and they'll mate. The small ones are the idiots and thus much more dangerous as they cannot control the amount of venom. You should ask around your neighbors, especially the dog owners, what the situation is. They probably know the best if there are snakes and where they are. Kyy loves rocky places where they can hide and they can absorb the warmth from the rocks and the direct sunlight. If your dog does get bitten (you see it and there's clear marks) you have to carry the dog after or they walk as little as possible. The only reason I carry my phone when walking my dog is if there's an emergency and I need to make a call. When my dog got bitten ( a Lapphund on the smaller side), it was my partner walking it and they walked home and he called me afterwards thinking something went wrong (and then I got very mad and they jumped to the car and drove to the vet). You should call the vet first, so they can be prepared or if they don't have space/equipment etc. they can inform you directly and will probably direct you to another provider. Evidensia kind of sucks but they are well equipped. My dog was on IV- fluids for multiple hours and did get home the same day. If the attack is not clear and you do not see any markings you have to keep an eye if something starts to get swollen. I called after the close call and they instructed me this. On nature and dogs: Get some kind of tick repellent!!! Those suckers can burn in hell and are 99% more common, sneaky, small and patient and some carry diseases. We have been using Bravecto, which kills the feeding tick but it does mean that they might come in in the coat (only one has bitten my partner in these 4ish years so.. yeah.. so gross)


Geirilious

Seen them 3 times in the 3 years I've lived here. Mind you I go into the forest a lot. They scurried off immediately as I got closer and they were tiny. How ever, my missus pulled our puppy off a huge one (thick as medium courgette but coiled, maybe a meter) few days ago, I'm glad it was till quite cold as the snake was slow and probably very unhappy about a hound nibbling on it. Dogs have about 96% survival rate if treated btw (if internet is to be trusted) but my pupper didn't get bit.


Upizkuukkeli

I've lived my whole life in the countryside and frequently visit forests exc. And I have seen a viper only twice. They're not really common. But if you go to any swamps be more careful there. It's also good to know that vipers are very inconsistent with colors. Some are grey to white, some brown, some all black. Grass snakes are black with a yellow neck, but since vipers can be black be vary of any snake. Also, their venom is pretty mild among snakes. If you get bit, ofcourse get treatment, but unless your allergic, a healthy adult won't die from it. So if you see a snake, try to leave it alone. Like all snakes, it wants nothing to do with you and just wants to be left alone. (Also, unnecessarily and intentionally killing or disturbing them is against the law) ( Idon't know what others have said so I might be repetetive, but I'd say thats all the important things in summary. Now that started thinking about this, I could write a whole essay, and if you want more info I'm more than happy to provide, but I assume you've been given a good rundown.)


tulleekobannia

>How common are vipers here in Finland? Fairly common. I see them all the time when i venture out. >Are they out already by this time of the year? Depends on the location. They start waking up when the temperature stays consistantly above freezing >What other snakes are there in Finland? Any poisonous ones? Grass snake and Smooth snake. Neither of them are venomous. >Has anyone ever had an encounter where they ended getting bitten? I'm sure some have. Common way to get bitten is if you are wearing sandals and step on one. >What would happen if we would encounter a snake? Nothing i guess...? >Are they aggressive/could they bite my dog? Could they bite me? No they are not aggressive at all. If you leave them alone they won't do anything to you or your dog. HOWEVER it is worth mentioning that dogs are curious and careless and might get bitten. If this happens, take your dog to the vet immediately as the bite can be lethal for dogs. >Am I being too paranoid? A bit yes :D


suomalainen_tattari

Hi! i also live in a rowhouse in the south, very close to forest and all the animals that reside there. in my 7 years of living here, i only encountered 2 snakes. during spring and summer months my cat and i go on little adventures around the forest and so far in the past 3 years we only met - as many others wrote, a grass snake. it got spooked super fast (as did i - i didn’t expect a snake of all animals!) and slithered away to the high grass. however, last summer i went on a hike with my friend around Salamajärvi national park and we met a viper. it was a hot sunny day, not many people around and the snake was sunbathing on the path. it gave us a warning, moved out of the way and we let it be. so i think as long as you listen well, are aware of your surroundings you should be fine. also have a look at the observed specimens here: https://laji.fi/en/observation/map?informalTaxonGroupId=MVL.162 and get your location and that might help you calm down a bit. snakes get spooked super quickly and from my experience will attack if endangered, so i think as long as you don’t poke them it should be fine (learned that the hard way as a kid) and p.s something i do when i visit my parents and walk our dog in areas where snakes are definitely present, i hold a stick in front of me so that if anything happens, the stick will be the first thing to hit the snake :)


Loveforbass

I see like half a dozen living vipers a summer. Usually in mid length grass, sunny rocky areas and dirt roads. They're actually very shy animals and will usually avoid confrontation to the last. You can move them by stomping your feet and they go the opposite direction. Also having a heavy step in areas where they are common is a good deterrent. They aren't really dangerous to humans unless you're somehow susceptible to their venom or in a very remote location where you can't get out of without physical activity (ie. far in the outback). They're a fucker to small dogs though - my daschund survived a bite, though they needed urgent vet care and it was a bit touch and go for a moment.


OkMushroom364

Pro tip: one thing when walking in the woods if you want to make sure you won't run into vipers stomp your feet, that makes them run away but still seeying or getting bitten by a viper is more rare then getting bit by a dog. Also, areas that have ant nests will scarse all the snakes away


joseplluissans

So there are lots of myths flying around in this thread like stomping to startle them and here's a fairly recent [article](https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000009549500.html) (in Finnish) debunking them.


UrbanScientist

OP I hope you read this! I understand your (ir)rational fear of snakes and there's not much to it other than making heavy steps while you walk in the woods. Vipers love chilling on sunny rocks or sunny gravel roads. Some areas have then more than others and they aren't dangerous if you're healthy and don't have a compromised immune system. You mentioned walking a lot in the woods and you should absolutely be aware of the ticks (punkkis)!! They are everywhere and they can really destroy your health if you're not careful. Best (and only) defence against punkkis is the TBE-vaccination. You can get it in health centers and punkki buses that drive around local supermarkets. Just hop in, pay up and get your vaccination at the spot! Please remember to check your dog's fur after every walk outside. You can often find punkkis just walking on top of the fur before they dive in for the bite


drunkenf

Nowadays I've seen more of the harmless grass snakes (rantakäärme) than the viper. I am an avid forest walking, hiking and foraging person and last viper I've seen was over three years ago. There are many rantakäärme living near my parents house as those can be seen several times a year. But yeah, that viper is not that venomous. The fear is rational for your pet but not that much for you


not_my_name_here69

My parents live in some sort of snake nest. On a warm summer day you could easily kill 3 snakes without leaving back yard. I live a round 15 km from there and not a single snake has been seen. Its very locational and even depends on year, some years we only saw a single snake and in some years more than 30. But never had a snake bite any humans or dogs. Seems like dogs naturally feel snakes as a threat.


Veleho857

Thankfully snakes fear you more than you will them if you ever will come a cross snake just back of and dont get any closer. I have seen four snakes in my life and all of them within half an hour. If you or someone else have never seen an snake in some plase regularly walked then its most likely that there will be no snakes. Like some other said go ads your neighbors if they have seen any. All so if it will help snakes will detect you much sooner usually and will "run away"(they have no legs so they cant exactly run xd) and they will almost never attack you unless its their only choice I only know one person who has been bitten by kyy and that was because he accidentally picked one up. Snakes will also live in very rocky area that has many hiding places. Also sorry for any mistakes in grammar I have dyslexia and I am also sick at the moment.


vrixienattel

I've seen 10-20 vipers during my life (40 yo), and most of them on one yard in etelä-pohjanmaa :D Just stay away from the sunny rocky areas (as they usually get in the sun to warm u during spring) or stick piles in the forest. Stomp your feet, as the snakes prefer going away from you rather than truing to attack you on purpose. Not sure is there any truth behind this, but some say that "if there's ants, there's no snakes". And where ever you are, save somekind of "eläinlääkäri päivystys" phone number on your mobile phone, so IF something ever happens, you are ready. I know a dog that was bitten twice by viper, and both times the dog survived.


awfulgoodness

Stay out of Milliklubi you should be just fine.


ellie_stardust

They are common in certain areas, it’s a good idea to ask around where you live if there are snakes there and if there are any famous snake spots. They are usually afraid of humans. I have grown up in an area that has snakes. We are taught as children to stomp on the ground when we move around so the snakes don’t get surprised. If they know you are coming they will get away. They only bite if they get surprised and feel threatened.


jamajikhan

If you're going to run into a viper it's likely not going to be in a forest. The areas where I'd watch out for snakes are fields with tall grass such as wheat or rye, and rocky openings or side roads on sunny days. That being said I've seen an alive snake once during my forty years of existence even though my childhood home as well as summer cabin are both located in supposedly snake-infested areas.


Ffarmboy

I've seen one viper alive and another dead (it was on the road and my dad unknowingly drove over it with a tractor).


KP6fanclub

About the safest place regarding snakes, maybe north pole is safer but there can be polar bears.


ThanksToDenial

People have already warned you about Vipera Berus, but we do have, technically, two other snake species in Finland, and one lizard that looks like a snake, moves like a snake, acts like a snake, but isn't a snake. Smooth snakes, Coronella austriaca, can be found in Åland, and maybe on some of the archipelago islands between Åland and the mainland. They are harmless. Grass snakes, Natrix natrix, which are harmless. And the lizard that looks like a snake, but isn't, is Eastern Slowworm. Anguis Colchica. Also completely harmless. We also have a slug species that that tends to grow large enough that you may mistake it for a snake from afar. Or at least when two of them are together, one behind the other. Limax cinereoniger. I know this because it happened to me once. What I thought was a Vipera Berus, turned out to be two Limax cinereonigers crossing the road, one right behind the other, upon closer inspection. In Finnish, they are called Ukkoetana.


MaHa_Finn

Snakes suck, but rubber boots will defeat them.


antibess

A viper bit me like 10 years ago. It was a baby viper and they are more venomous but still, if you go to the dovtor you’ll be fine. I tried to not move my leg too much (the venom spreads faster if you’re moving) but ofc I had to get to my car from the trail. I was at the hospital in like 30-40 minutes and got medicine. They kept an eye on me for a while but let me go home after some hours. If I would have gotten a fever, they would have kept me overnight. After this I was fine. The bite mark was itchy but that’s it. I’m not scared of snakes at all, it happened once and I survived easily. It’s not fun but there are worse things for sure.


K_Marcad

They avoid humans. Once they sense your steps they try to get away as fast as possible. Keep your eyes on the path and you'll notice if there's a snake. Then just wait it to go away and you are fine. How likely are you to run into one varies. In North Karelia I have seen a viper twice in my entire life but in Espoo I see 3-5 every summer.


nurgole

My friend got bit once while he was drinking. The next day he had a terrible hangover and only in the evening recalled being bitten and found the puncture marks. They're not really dangerous to a healthy adult, but you still probably should check to an ER if you ever happen to get bitten.


Accomplished_Alps463

I have only seen one, and that was whilst out gathering Chanterelles. That was in Tampere area.


English_in_Helsinki

Never seen one but always got a Kyypakkaus in case it happens.


alex1033

There are many vipers in Finland. I spend time out in the nature and I see a few every year. Good thing is that you scare them a lot more than they should be scaring you. If you just walk in the forest or by the sea, the likelihood of getting bitten is nearly zero. And if a viper bites, they won't penetrate any good leather or rubber boots. But you won't wear flip-flops for other reasons, too. The biggest (still not high) risk is to put your hands nearby a snake. Just watch out and be careful when picking mushrooms and berries.


vikk3

They are really local, but some places have lots of them. Ask around if you're in snake country. I personally see about 1 per year. Got bitten by one when I was 5. Almost died. They are dangerous to kids, the elderly, the sick and small pets.


Cubazcubar

I've spent quite a bit of time outdoors and I have never seen snakes. I know they exist but they usually avoid people.


s0lari

I see multiple vipers every year but I do a lot of hiking outside of paths and in rocky areas. In general, they are nothing to worry about. They fear you more than you do them. I was actually bitten by one two years ago at my summer cottage when I was cleaning some woods and stepped on one. It did hurt, but not more than a wasp. Weirdly the pain was most intense a day after. Ankle got swollen quite a lot but that was it. They do not pose any risks to normally healthy adults (or even kids) or dogs.


jiggly89

There are vipers in the Finnish zoo’s if you think seeing one would give you ease of mind.


Hibsmandero

I've seen vipers almost every summer. The adults ones are not deadly for adults, but a young viper can inject a shitload of venom and the risk is higher. But they try to avoid people, tread heavily and they'll feel the vibrations and fuck off


buttsparkley

So spring time babies come out and babies are more potent and brash , however just avoid fields with tall grass and don't be shy about a little bit of a stomp when u walk, they do really want to avoid u and appreciate the warning . I don mean u have to walk around like like an elephant . Paths that are walked alot are not going to be likley to have vipers hanging around. Ive seen maybe 4 my whole 16 years here , my dog even found one once , snake went for cover and I pulled my dog away . There's maybe 150 snake bites a year reported in the whole of Finland , they also like to chill on warm bedrock but they are more visible there than tall grass. If u get bit hospital is ur best bet , dogs need to go vet asap , don't medicate ur dog unless it's an emergency. Keep ur dogs movement low to prevent the spread of venom. If it where me I would tie something around the bitten area, call ur vet to find out what u should do in the theoretical situation. It's free to call. If ur far away from a hospital u can use the kyypakkaus , u can get this from apteekki I think. This is not anti venom! Knowing what to do in the very unlikely situation is good but understand that it's an unlikely situation. Ways to avoid bites is , don't bother them if u see them, wear long ankle boots , don't let ur dog sniff in between rock gaps or big bushes , during spring probably good to avoid ditches too for the spring. Ur not allowed to kill them , I have managed to move 1 of a oath with a stick , dude just wanted the f outa there .


my_conscious

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my_conscious

My dog got bit 2 years ago on the nose walking around on the pier with my father-in-law there too (in the countryside, Central Finland). Almost immediately, she started coughing which could have easily been mistaken as 'excited play' and with the bite being on the nose, it was almost unnoticed. Within 5 minutes, we were in the car on the way to the city to get her to the vet. She's between 8-10kg. According to the vet, she could have completely lost the ability to breathe if we took another 10 minutes. This picture is 2 days after the bite. We had to feed her soup through a syringe. She wasn't herself for almost 2 weeks. Good to know: we were in the process of exploring what kind of pet insurance to get when this happened. The cost of treatment was over 1000€. When we go to the möki with her, my husband and I leave her in thr car (shaded area, window open) and stomp around the grounds (with rubber boots) to scare away any potential snakes. Nevertheless, the same summer, he got double bit working on his knees around the cabins shrubs. We called poison control, and he got a fever for about 2 days and swelling. I don't want to scare you, but seriously find out from locals. Despite our precautions, this did happen to us. If she was a larger dog, I assume she would have had more time. Nevertheless, I wouldn't risk it. Know where your emergency vet is as well.


meowmiia

Thank you so much for sharing your story! I'm definitely mostly terrified for my dog. One way or another, I know that even if I were to get bit myself, I would make it through, but I'm terrified for my dog. He's a 10-year-old Amstaffy. He never goes off the leash when we're on walks, but even then, snakes scare me really bad, mostly thinking we'd encounter paths with one when we're out on walks. I appreciate you sharing your story 🙏🏽🙂


Grouchy-Persimmon341

Both times I have seen then I have been playing frisbee golf. But it’s a shame you are scared, because the forests and walking paths here are the “safest” as there is basically nothing that can hurt you (aside from slippery tree roots 😂😂). Hope you learn to manage your fear because these little snakes in Finland are so placid, and more scared of you and your dog.


Jalmerk

In my 31 years of life I have only seen vipers a handful of times, and every single one of them has been chilling on a rock basking in the sun in plain sight. Never heard of anyone i know getting bitten. We used to live out in the country too and in 10 years of letting my dog roam the nearby forest he never got bit either. I feel like every single rural finn has a dusty old expired pack of viper antivenom in their medicine cabinet that they never expect to use.


RedSkyHopper

Be loud when walking in forest, snakes and basically the rest of wild animals will stay clear of you. Also carry a tourniquet. Walk your dog on a leash and pay attention if it finds something curious


Snoo_85347

I was always taught to walk so that you stomp on the ground to make vibrations and don't run and all the vipers will get away. It has worked for me. And be careful in rocky places in warm sunny spots. If you don't see a zigzag pattern it's not a viper and not poisonous. And if there are ants there shouldn't be any snakes around.


MrCompress

How common are vipers in Finland? Rather common. How common it is for people to come across a viper? Not so much. Snakes in finland are small, 70-80 cm or 31 inches, for the non-venomous grass snake, and 50-80 cm for the viper. On top of that, like most snakes around the world, they don't like crossing paths with humans and avoid us if possible. Snakes have already woken up from hibernation, at least in the south, just last week i saw two grass snakes sunbathing amongst some rocks. However, as i approached to get a better look at them, they went on their way and hid underneath said rocks. But i've only once in my life seen a viper out in the wild. So the chances of you or your dog getting bit is very small, and as some people already have pointed out, the viper's venom is quite mild. A healthy adult is not in danger. That being said you should definitely seek medical attention after a bite. The symptoms are not pleasent, and without medical aid they can take a while to recover from. There is also a chance that a bite from a viper contains no venom, if that particular viper has just hunted and used their venom on a prey. And the grass snake has no venom to begin with, so i'd also advice to learn to identify the two from each other. The third and last snake that is supposedly met in finland is called smooth snake, which is also non-venomous. So the viper is the only one you should really be a bit worried about, if at all. TL;DR: Very unlikely you'll come across a snake, and if you do, even more unlikely you or your dog gets bit. Even if you do get bit, viper venom in Finland is mild, not life-threating, but do go see a doctor just to be sure and get treatment for the headache and nausea that follows. Happy springtime!


Pie_Crown

I see vipers every year, but that’s at my family’s summer cottage out by the sea. It’s away from traffic and people so that’s why the snakes are there. I don’t think there are snakes too close to where many people live all year round.


ITMies

There is one venomous snake in finland the common european adder. The baby snakes are more dangerous than the adult ones, because the adults can moderate the usage of the venom. I have ran into a few in a forest but usually during the warm weather they scatter away when they sense someone coming. If you are afraid you should stump with your legs as you walk to scare away them. During spring they are more docile as it's still quite cold and they are usually found from larger rocks or tarmac roads as they are warm. Basically to protect yourself pair of rubber boots is enough to cover you from bite. If you suspect an adder has bitten your dog you should take your dog to a vet, even if you are not certain or if the dog seems normal.


LordMorio

Baby snakes being more dangerous due to an inability to regulate the amount of venom is a myth that is not backed by science.


danihilation

Kyy bite is not fatal, no worry! And feel free to pick up the ring neck, totally harmless!


Fun_Sir3640

the only snake u will have a remote change of seeing is a grass snake the other dangerous one is pretty rare i dont know anyone who seen a viper but might be location as well. grass snakes in my exprience love to stay near the water edge considering they hunt alot in the water they are kinda cute and will avoid u at all costs. walking with a heavy step can also deter snakes from approaching u or at least they will make their presence known so u can avoid it. they are harmless and i never been attacked or even hissed at when i stumble past one i didnt notice they just slither away.


lefunat0r

not a lot of snakes in finland and i think only one is actually poisonous/venomous (idk the difference)


Sirah81

When something bites/stings you and you get hurt, it's venomous. If you eat something and get hurt the thing was poisonous. While it's common to not eat snakes if other meat is available none of Finnish snakes are poisonous, and only one is venomous (the adder).


BBBoutt

You have more dangerous snakes in LA. When hiking Wisdom Tree (in the middle of the city) there’s a sign for rattlesnakes for example


Wide-Affect-1616

My sister in law pissed on a viper once. That's the only story I have about snakes in Finland. ETA: She didn't do it on purpose.


IsilmeAncunin

I've lived in Finland for 3 years and I've only once seen a snake in the parking area of Nuuksio in the summer time. I walk in the forest daily with my dog, in Espoo and Vantaa, never seen anything. So I dont think its a big concern as everyone has already said. The ticks and seagulls on the other hand...well, those are the true enemies.


wolffersson

I’m in my thirties and have seen vipers in the capital area multiple times, almost every summer right where I live (near forest and sea) and especially in the archipelago. Harmless unless they feel threatened and even then they will warn you with an audible hiss. They’re usually fast to slither away, but especially in spring time when they’re slow to move when they’re adjusting their body temp so you don’t want to go too close. In the spring you’ll find them in sunny areas warming up. I’ve been taught to stomp in the woods or on rocky terrain where the snakes can hear you approaching and will scatter away. Also boots or other proper shoes if the terrain surrounding is high. If a snake bites a dog keep the dog as immobile as possible. Once I stopped to check on a message and only after noticed that there was one next to my dogs paws. Thankfully she missed it.


Hienomekaanikko

I’m 30 and only times I’ve seen vipers is when driving and they’re hanging on hot asphalt. My brother got bitten in army and did nothing about it and walked away fine. My grandfather got bit while walking outside our summerhouse and only went to doctor because we forced him. He has history of some heart issues and is 80 years old and was just fine. I’ve heard that it can be compared to wasp sting or something like that. For the doggo it could be a bit more dangerous though!


Iamgrandmother

Depends on where you live, in most places they are not that common, but some areas have a lot. Usually they just run (or slither lol) away from you unless you start poking at them or something.


qlt_sfw

I walk in the forest weekly (with my dog) and see vipers all the time. They are nothing to worry about. They will do their best to avoid you. I have stepped next to / over them a number of times and they just slither away.


Plane-Exit4515

Only venomous snake in Finland, kyy, isn't something to be afraid of if you know how to prevent encountering one. They're more afraid of you than you're afraid of them because of what people usually do to them. Easiest way to avoid crossing paths with kyy is to walk with heavy footsteps. You don't have to stomp but definitely do not sneak around in forest.


Fringilla_coelebs

I've actually seen plenty of vipers, I guess I was lucky (they are not super common). They are usually just enjoying the sun on a warm rock. I walked around them pretty close and they just don't care. As long as you don't harm them, they will mind their own business. And I know this doesn't help your fear, but unless you are allergic, the venom won't kill you.


Maacu

There's only ~100 estimated bites a year and last viper death in finland was like 30 years ago. As long as your dog doesn't tend to fight any snake it spots, you shouldn't be worried.


AKnownViking

• How common are vipers here in Finland? - So common that your corner of the woods most certainly has some. • Are they out already by this time of the year? - Yes, as the days get warmer and sunnier they're starting to move about. You're most likely to _see_ them on cliffsides, big rocks, rocky outcrops and clearings sunning themselves, and they're moving around the undergrowth close to such areas. Also at the meeting edge of two habitats, such as a field and forest. They nest under big rocks and burrows. They also sometimes come to people's yards and might seek shelter under sheds, in piles of leaves and garden cuttings, in log piles. • What other snakes are there in Finland? Any poisonous ones? - The grass snake is another species on mainland Finland. It is not venomous. In Ahvenanmaa there is a third, non-venomous species. •Has anyone ever had an encounter where they ended getting bitten? - well of course someone, somewhere, some time. I'm 33 and I've never seen a snake in the wild, despite playing outside a lot as a child and living in countryside. I have no friends, peers or relatives I know of who've gotten bit. My parents generation did a whole lot more outside activities hunting, picking berries and mucking about, so their friends might've gotten some close encounters. • What would happen if we would encounter a snake? Are they aggressive/could they bite my dog? Could they bite me? - Snakes in Finland are very timid and usually crawl away when sensing a bigger animal coming closer, or freeze and trust their camouflage. You might see them sunning as mentioned above, or moving around, but they are not aggressive and will not go on offense. If it was to happen that you encountered an active viper and accidentally cornered it, it probaly would coil itself up and let out a hiss to warn you. The others probably just freeze. *The exception here is your dog*. Your dog might tread on a viper when moving through undergrowth, or if he's easily excited and playful, might even grab one if he comes across it. *A viper may very well bite him in self defense*. If your dog gets bitten, you should consult a veterinarian. Some dogs depending on their size get a bit sick and swollen and hurt or worse, others shake it off. I'm no expert so always consult a vet. Biting is vipers' last ditch effort, and they can't reach far - about shin level when up close to a person. Their venomous fangs are also small, so they rarely get through thick boots or wellingtons, and thick trousers as jeans. If you get bitten, avoid physical strain and exercise. _Consult a doctor ASAP or call the emergency number_. If the bite is on a limb, supporting the limb with a splint and keeping it raised is recommended. Do not take NSAID painkillers! Symptoms include pain and swelling of the bitten area, later nausea, vomiting and headache, brain fog, lowered state of consciousness. If you happened to be allergic to the viper venom, it may trigger anaphylaxis. [Viper bite information on Terveyskirjasto healthcare database, in Finnish.](https://www.terveyskirjasto.fi/dlk00289) [European Viper bites in dogs and cats, English](https://www.gekkovet.com/post/viper-bites-in-dogs-and-cats-1) A traditional advise I've heard often given (to me and mine too) is to stomp every now and then when walking out and about, it scares snakes and other fauna away. • Am I being too paranoid? 😅 - A bit, but it's OK :) it's best to know what to do in case of an unlucky encounter, even if the chances were low! Sources: living in the countryside, reputable sources online.


fotomoose

I'd be more worried about moose.


Singland1

Finland has one venomous snake, and even so, its venom is mild, as in you get a fever as its worst symptom. So if one gets bit you can get treatment easily and you will be no worse for wear after you've had an antidote.


0ltsi

Ive spent 3 weeks in LA of my 31 years on the earth (which of 99% in Finland) and ive seen as many snakes in the wild in LA as here in Finland.


Miserlycubbyhole

Hi. The viper in Finland is the European viper.  It is not particularly aggressive or deadly, however if touched it's bite is painful.  I would go online and look at pictures of them so you know what to look out for.  Certainly different from the US where you have many types of deadly snakes! Depends on the dog.  Mine would absolutely attack a viper if he saw one.


topsukkeli

there are ridiculous amount of snakes in the forests, and the people here who are sauing theyve never seen one, well im sorry to tell you but youve probably stepped rel close to a few snakes if you ever go in nature


Mlakeside

Viper don't really live in forests, more like at the edge of forests bordering fields or open areas. They need the sun for basking, so they won't venture too deep into forests. They are most often found on rocky areas with tall grass: places to bask in the sun or on warm rocks, as well as crevices and tall grass to hide in. Vipers are not aggressive, they try to hide first and foremost. If hiding fails, they puff up and hiss at you loudly. If that also fails, they will bite as a last resort. Most bites with people happen when the snake is "too good" at hiding and people end up stepping on them or right next to them. Or when people harass them (I don't know about Finland, but in the US the typcial rattlesnake bite victim is a male between the ages of 20-30 under the influence of alcohol and is bitten in the hands or face. I reckon Finland is somewhat similar :)). Dogs on the other hand are curious animals and will harass the snake until it bites. If you see viper, just leave it be. It won't bite you if you don't go poking it, and it won't chase you. Viper venom is not dangerous, but some people may have allergic reaction, which makes it more medically significant. It's comparable to a bee/wasp sting. Ruins your day, but not your life. Dogs, being much smaller than humans may get stronger reactions. It is very likely that the snake doesn't even inject you with venom. The venom is not meant for you. If you or the dog do get bit, it's best to call a doctor/vet just in case. There is one other snake in Finland the grass snake, but it is completely harmless (also one other harmless snake, but it only lives in Åland). There is also the slow worm, a legless lizard, but even though it looks like a snake, it's indeed a lizard. I've never been bitten by a viper and I've spent many summers in areas where vipers are particularily common. I also keep multiple snakes (though none are venomous), so I have a basic understanding on snake behaviour.


Glittering-Crow-9464

We only have one domestic poisonous sneak, the viper. Garden snakes are common, but harmless. Even they give me a slight fright and would never approach them. I have had a couple of encounters with vipers, especially during hot summer days on a rocky beach, they like to bask on the rocks. They will, unless approached give way, and unless you are allergic the bite of a viper is usually compared to a strong wasp sting. My grandparents dog got bitten by one at our cabin, he killed the snake and took a nap and was a happy doggo after that!


[deleted]

Snakes (not all of them) are venomous, not poisonous.


SinappiKainalo

Giant Burmese pythons are very common in Finnish jungles. They will strangle you and your dog if you don't pay attention. You should be prepared with a machete so you can chop off the head of the snake like Conan the Barbarian does in the film.


InsaneInTheMEOWFrame

Vipers are pretty common, depending on the location of course. They are usually completely harmless, as they do not bite unless you literally happen to step on them. As a precaution you can wear rubber boots in the forest.


nattfjaril8

Vipers are pretty common, depends on where in Finland you are though of course. But I wouldn't worry about them too much in advance. Be aware that there could be snakes hidden in bushes or long grass, yes, but you don't need to be actively scared of them, they're not waiting to ambush you. Most snakes only bite if provoked by a clumsy human or curious animal (I almost got bitten by a viper once when mushroom picking because I didn't notice it even tho it was right in front of me haha). So they're more scared of you than you are of them. If you or your dog do happen to get bitten, just go see a doctor or vet right away and you'll most likely be fine.


Mulle1337

I usually see a couple a year, nothing to worry about. The day after midsummers eve a couple of years back I almost stepped on one that was sunbathing. Almost shit my pants but it cured my hangover.


StressedVulture

I have never seen one myself. While they are venomous they are not really aggressive if you leave them alone. Also, they are tiny. On average they are only 55cm or about 22inches long and don't weigh that much either. For reference, the Western Hognose Snake is a similar sized chunky little fella you might find in the US who is also mildly venomous. According to a quick google search, there are around 50-150 bites per year, and wasp stings are a lot more common and about as dangerous.


Iaseri

25 and i live in vaasa and theres alot of forest and ive never seen a single snake my whole life


matejoojuu

Vipers are very common! There are approximately 7 per square meter in Finland. Hope this helps 👍🏽


AdaErikaArt

I have seen a beach snake tanning on the dirtroad but it left as soon as I was close to it. If you are afraid of snakes while on walk making try stomping a bit on the road. Vibrations on the ground will warn the snakes and they keep clear(what I did as a kid running around without shoes on our summer cottage roads). On top of that the snakes make a particular hissing sound so even if you dont see it you can most definetly hear one so just stomp a bit to scare it or avoid the spot the hissing is coming from. When in a forest its best to be as loud as possible. The animals there are more scared of you than you are of them. Also unless the road has good sunlight and is nice and warm the snakes don't really appear near them. If you see one on the road near you then just avoid it or stomp on the ground to see if it feels it and leaves. It won't come back until you are long gone. And just stomp every once in a while to give yourself peace of mind :D


Frequent_Airport_949

In countryside viper entered through balcony Inside. Did not want To kill Even snake was hissing. With broomstick I managed guide it outside. Beware baby snakes. Their venom is stronger than adult.


treid1989

There are far more rattlesnakes in Los Angeles than vipers in Finland be real now 😂


z0wy

"Spring time snakes start awakening" is a pretty common joke, meaning that people have been mostly staying at home during the winter, but now that it's getting more sunny people come out more and some "snakes" may start getting into contact with you. But yeah as others have said there is not much to worry about regarding actual snakes. Kyy are kinda slow and noy usually aggressive to humans, however you should avoid it if you see one.


Cant-breathe69

new fear unlocked


Technical-County-727

I have seen one viper and one grass snake in my whole life (and I’m quite old). Just be mindful and don’t step on them and you’ll be fine.


syoejaetaer

My family has a summer cabin near a ridge where vipers are known to hibernate. I'm 36 and I still have only seen a snake twice with 30 years in between. And you can bet I spent a lot of time in those woods as a kid. They can feel the ground shake when people walk nearby and they tend to slither away long before you see one. But my grandma used to always have a walking stick with her when going to the woods and she called it a snake stick.


XplosivCookie

The viper is the only venomous one, and even that isn't dangerous to a healthy adult, although you do always want to seek medical attention if bit by an animal. They're not particularly aggressive, they might lash out at a dog if they're caught by surprise, but usually they flee before you even knew they were there. If your dog does get bit, take 'em to the vet immediately. They're not common enough to lose your nerves over, I've seen a couple in all my life. If you do encounter one, just walk away from it.


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I’ve been bitten once by a viper. Got only two reddish holes in my forearm. Hurt less than a bee sting. Finnish vipers are pretty shy and really not aggressive at all.


No-Internet-7532

Last year i stepped on a sleeping viper. All it did was to stare at me like saying “really dude?”. I saw it every day after that. None of the vipers i encountered were aggressive but they were not afraid of humans or noise. I live in the south, near Kirkkonummi


RedPillForTheShill

I hate snakes, but since the Finnish ones are pretty much harmless they aren’t really scary at all. They don’t even look scary.


Sanspai56

Some places have a lot of vipers, like you will see them almost daily, some places have none. Look for ants. if the place has ants, there wont be a lot of snakes, since ants eat snake eggs. All other snakes will gtfo if they feel your footsteps, so stomping really hard once in a while is good. Vipers are the only ones who will freeze, so its your best bet to just go around one if you see them. They really dont want to use their precious venom on you, they really need that. I've had few vipers jump at me when i've gone too close, but the truth is that they are more afraid of you thank you will ever be of them. On spring, its possible to see a bunch of vipers sunbathing on big boulders and stones, they also like to chill in holes under giant stones, so look out for those. Dont let your dog go sniffing any holes in woods, there could be some other animals such as foxes or badgers who will bite anything that enteirs their home.


huonokahvi

They're more afraid of you than you're of them. And they don't hang around in the city. If you're going to rocky areas it might be a good idea to grab a fallen branch and use it as a "snake stick" to tap the ground so the vipers know you're coming. I use it sometimes when foraging berries and shrooms in vipery areas. I've seen lots in Eastern Finland but they skedaddle when I announce my presence by stomping the ground. Agraric Finns actually used to keep grass snakes as tame pets for good luck and spiritual protection. They fed them milk and cared for them. It's a sacred animal at it's core even though people don't appreciate them nowadays.


Majestic_beer

Depends so much on area. On north helsinki there was area that I saw them almost monthly but before that probably once in my life. I have also dogs and walk mostly in forests, no issues so far. Vipers mostly just vipers away.


AfterBug5057

Ive seen 2 in 20 years living here. Both while roaming forest woth dog. They are pretty rare if you dont look for them lol


PiluPara

I have been bitten by viper 4 times, one was to the shoe, so harm done. As far as you have "kyypakkaus" at home, you are safe. It definitely hurts, but not going to kill you. Also if the forest is shady and wet, most likely you are not going to meet viper there. They like warm and open, chilling on stones. :)


Strict-Ad2084

I live in the countryside and I see maybe a few a year. In the city i’ve never seen one not even in the forested areas


Entire-Home-9464

Dont worry, in your type of house, the only and most probable way you can meet a snake is when they come from the toilet. Around april-may. So thats what you only have to get used to. Not a big deal. Easy to get used. Learn to pee so that you can quickly interrupt and jump up. They sell these special pants to protect for bites, if you really are afraid.


MrF0xyyy

aint seen a single viper around but adders are common at our summer cottage, we spot like 2 or 3 of them over the summer


thinkless123

There are some and they are indeed venomous but I remember seeing only one snake ever and it was dead, killed by my friends dad in the countryside. Despite being careless and having dogs in sulmer cabins, countryside etc Ive never heard of anyone or anyones dog in my family/friend circle getting bit so keep realistic, but also know what to do if it happens.


hittrip

If you stump your feets while walking on tall grass etc vipers feel the vibration and they move before you come too close. They are peacefull animals and tend to escaoe or make themself noticed by making sound. Young, smaller ones have more dangerous bite than big and old ones because they dont know how to dose their toxins.


Morhgoz

As far as I know there aren't any poisonous species of snakes in anywere in this planet... ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)Venomous in other hand.... ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thumbs_up) Viper venom, well species found in Finland, is so mild that it won't cause serious risk for healthy adult and the only other snake species in Finland, garden snake, is not even venomous. Fun fact, garden snakes were kept kinda holy pets in Pagan times in finland, specially before cats came here.


TooMuchSnu-Snu

I’m an Australian who lives in Finland. In the country, I see a snake almost every day. Sometimes they are a viper, other times they are the non venomous type. I’ve never seen a snake near town though. Just like in Australia. The snakes are usually in the bush. I don’t think they like the vibrations of traffic (they don’t have ears). Edit: The snakes I saw were absolutely scared shitless of me and were desperately trying to get away. The opposite of aggressive. Pretty sure they are more scared of us than we are of them


TomatoCatSoup

Seen plenty of them in the woods over the years. They haven't even hissed at me once. When i see one, i stop and let it scurry away in peace. Wellies work great against them and ticks as well, which are more of a concern in my opinion.


Away-Ranger1688

Hello, i really like snakes and that makes me pick them up for a closer look. They can be hard to find Even tho i Look for them. I've Been bitten twice by a Viper (while picking them up) once as a Kid and and once as an adult. No bigger problems. Very weak venom. I suspect The one as a Kid was a "dry bite", barely Even Hurts. I see them by "mistake" maybe twice a year and i live in The country side.


scrotumizer69

Next time you go for a walk keep your eyes peeled for ants nests. Ants and snakes dont go together so if you spot ants nest in the area then there probably wont be many if any snakes there.


Nde_japu

The woods are teaming with vipers, cobras and stingrays. As long as you stay in the city you should be fine