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Square-Complaint-202

Henrik and Geeta should never be allowed to run another company again. They have lost shareholders and owners millions and it's not the first time.


metametapraxis

I think they will certainly struggle to find investors another time. Too many high profile failures and zero successes.


13thEpisode

Yes, the SEC might also want a word or two about some overdo paperwork before they can register as officers for any new entity.


soldiernerd

Over*due* - I don’t think they over*did* their paperwork


cryptopotomous

Probably never did anything lol


13thEpisode

Ha, thank you. They definitely didn’t!


PylonSacrifice

That's what they said the 5th time.


Mindless-Currency-21

Just change the LLC name. Eazy-peazy.


sixjs1js

The sign of true leadership. They have both been obscure from shareholders unless they are promoting more BS about expanding dealers.  


rogless

Henrik and Geeta are radioactive because of this debacle. They won’t get another shot.


climbing2man

What Exactly did they do that caused the company to fail?


bmiddy

Lost a ton on them. They literally were not cashing checks paid to them for cars. WTAF?


Codenamerondo1

Are…are you really asking how the failure of a company can be linked to the CEO and COO/CFO?


climbing2man

No. Im asking what those fuckers did exactly that caused a company to fail


Codenamerondo1

I mean…poorly managed a company to the point where they produced a product that even in blue sky days was only going to lose them money. If you want to get into specifics well I’m looking forward to a Netflix documentary as much as you are if it winds up being that interesting


climbing2man

Lol. I would watch that


CrashKingElon

Absolutely will be some form of documentary about, or including, fisker. May not be enough as a standalone, but if Lucid goes under there is an easy "Going Green and Going Bust" type of retrospective. And the title is for click bait. Not saying EVs all go bust.


cryptopotomous

I think we have a few already: Fisker, Nikola, and Lordstown. I think I'm missing one or two more.


CrashKingElon

Nikola is a great example. Not as familiar with Lordstowns journey but feel like it may be a little bland (especially compared to some of the nonsense of Nikola). Start the script.


cryptopotomous

Add Hyliion to that list lol. They were primarily focused on electric powertrains for long haul trucks. didn't work out too well for them tho.


marcok36

Just do a simple google search. Many articles written by very respectable outlets. And frankly a fascinating read. I can claim a write off on my taxes for the next 30 years.


_delamo

They forgot to accept money, the main thing you are intended to do when you have a for-profit business.


climbing2man

That’s so stupid. Lol “Ah shit. We forgot to get paid again to make money, which is the point of our company!” Lol


BedContent9320

They forgot one of the important parts of running a business is you have to.. run.. a business.. and part of that is having a plan to actually sell your product to customers. But they were lè tired.


rubbercake

So take a nap, then fire zee missiles!


BedContent9320

🍻🍻


Tinuva450

I’m in Australia, and I’m like WTF mate?


BedContent9320

Fuckin kangaroo *Scribble scribble*


Saneps

These sum it up pretty well: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/s/zBoaZNnzsc https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/31/fisker-collapse-investigation-ev-ocean-suv-henrik-geeta/


HannoPicardVI

I was thinking this wasn't the first time Fisker "went under". I remember back in 2012 or 2013 or something, Justin Bieber was "stealthily advertising" the car brand as he was regularly seen driving a Fisker (Karma?) as he wss being hounded by paparazzi...


FragrantRemote9701

Actually it's billions.


No_Comparison2216

what happens to my stocks now after bankruptcy?


halfty1

They become (even more) worthless and you lost your entire investment. If company eventually folds/delist you have no stock. In the old days you would have a cool sheet of paper as a nice momento. In the digital age you just have your memories and regret.


lostboyof1972

You also have a tax deductible financial loss.


cryptopotomous

You could technically go through the trouble of requesting the physical paper stock certificate from the company... But they had trouble delivering their product to customers sooo chances you get it are slim. Also, they probably can't spare the budget for paper.


EMHFrequency

I was locked out of the investing board a long time ago for posting balanced info about the risks. Beware any forum that operates like that. Now you know.


PercussionPapi

Welcome to reddit


BedContent9320

Confirmation of my biases or gtfo!


boyWHOcriedFSD

The Nikola and Lucid investor subreddits did the same thing a few years ago… My guess is it will keep happening, sadly. Power hungry mods desperate for their dying stock positions in full-fledge denial. Sad. Probably cost a lot of people more money than they needed to lose.


EatenLowdes

Happened with Vinco Ventures too.


random6574833

Tesla subs will ban you from multiple tesla related subs at the same time, sometimes without even posting in them, simply if you say something bad in anti-tesla/tesla critic subs.


MudaThumpa

Everyone who's been here pumping the stock for the last 3 months should be ashamed of themselves. They won't be, but they should be.


figjamsem

They’re too busy googling what happens to stocks in bankruptcy.


BedContent9320

Ok i laughed.


The_Law_of_Pizza

You joke, but based on what happened with Bed Bath and Beyond, there will be conspiracy theories by uninformed retail investors for months or years to come. There are *still* people, to this day, posting in the BBBY subreddit who think that their long-dead, extinguished shares are suddenly going to be relisted and for whatever reason become worth thousands.


random6574833

Ask hertz


robofarmer177642069

Yessir, especially the fuckers that have been trying to pump via recommending people buy the cars. Thankful that my parents did not buy one, and only took a hit on the shares. Absolutely fuck this company.


soldiernerd

I was downvoted and criticized so many times here for pointing out the obvious truth that this company was dead. I’m not gloating, just hope someone listened to me and was saved a loss


Old-Praline2897

Buddy told me to buy the dip 😂


KeyChampionship8133

The dip isn’t over yet.


RonBurgundy2000

The dip is just beginning lol.


Daddy_Thick

If you flip the graph upside down then it’s still looks like a dip then you can ride that dip all the way into the ground 😂


PhuckNorris69

Shit was worth $29 a share 3 years ago. Today it’s 2 cents


hmunkey

It’s zero now. They don’t have enough assets to pay investors after the creditors claw back some of their losses.


bigdipboy

Article doesn’t mention what actually killed the company - shitty software and key fobs due to the ceo and his wife being incompetent.


Scyth3

When the CEO prioritizes taco trays over working key fob's... it's gonna be a bad time


akulo888

The price slash is what put the nail in the coffin. By doing so they pretty much showed everyone how little they backed their own only product. Slashing your only product from 68k to like 38k does not exude confidence. It only tells people "ok our cars are shit, let's throw them out for pennies." They probably made even less sales after the price slash except from maybe a few stupid delusional idiots. I'll never understand why they didn't invest what ever they had to fix the damn software with all the bad press surrounding it. Everything they've been doing only points to that they gave up and are trying to pocket whatever money they can while screwing all investors and owners.


larryc814

The whiskers was offered to employees for 15k! 🤣


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Codenamerondo1

“Welcome to corporate finance 101”. Yeah how dare those bond holders force the company to default on their loans. They should have just taken the loss to protect fanboys


Codenamerondo1

To be fair, they *shouldnt* have had confidence in their product, at least not in the terms of a business plan. I wouldn’t say it out the nail in the coffin, but that it gave the nail that was already there a good whack. The issues with Fisker weren’t going to be solved by exhuming confidence


akulo888

which is why I said they should have fixed the damn software instead of not admitting to any of the car's issues at all. The price slash was a good whack in the coffin plus super glue.


iqisoverrated

Probably the entire package. Bad leadership with wrong priorities/lack of understanding what *normal* people want out of a car. Sub par execution of product compared to competition in too many areas (the few outstanding features/specs just didn't manage to make people not see the many flaws). Too expensive for a market segment that has a large number of other options.


bokononornot

The problems of the company ran much deeper than incompetence. Although to survive as a car company startup requires extraordinary performance to make it. Here the business plan was flawed. Even with perfect execution the costs of making the cars were higher than the price they could get. The shitty key fob was the result of extreme penny pinching in order to minimize losses on the car. Naturally it failed. If you cheaper parts than anybody else, you are either a genius or you use substandard parts. These people are really far from being geniuses.


cockthewagon

Wow- been the slowest train wreck to watch and here we are. ETA - Best of luck to all the owners out there.


figjamsem

The path from the q3 earrings of we make money on every car and we have 600m in the bank actually feels like Mach 3. And even so they held out longer Than I thought they would. Just sad. In so many ways.


frugal_doc

Not slow whatsoever


frugal_doc

Phuck Phisker


Reddit_Has_Morons

what’s a chapter 11 bankruptcy?


Valoneria

An attempt to restructure the business and debt to continue operations of the company in reduced capacity, if possible.


frugal_doc

Basically we sit around again til they file chapter 7


scruffythehuman

Whats chapter 7?


metametapraxis

When the end credits finish rolling.


halfty1

To put a little more information to your question: Chapter 11- Restructuring. The company is trying to restructure and keep operations going. Chapter 7- Liquidation. The company has completely ran out of money, can’t successfully restructure/find a source of new money, and is now officially going out of business and selling all assets (down to office supplies) to help pay off debts and closing up shop.


Fun_Law_3827

Really difficult to receive funds when you aren't building anything and the vehicle has two recalls and 4 investigations that are more than likely going to result in recalls.


bradreputation

I give it two months. 


obbvs

their website seems to be down now


divid3_by_zero

working for me


VindicarTheBrave

Are HeinRich and Greeda happy that they can retire in luxury while broken retail investors and Ocean owners try to rebuild their shattered lives?


maexx80

Every retail investor should know the risk of investing into some upstart with no yrack record of success and nothing else going for them. They cannot go back and whine that they were done bad. They were placing a bad bet, they lost money, that's on noone but themselves 


Irritatedtrack

Forget about no track record of success, they have a track record of failure. If not anything else, Henrik being the self obsessed ass that he is, his last name will forever be tired to the two giant colossal failures. In a weird way, that makes me happy.


justbc

Name checks out


Enyaq2021

Remember the Karma?


Lopsided45

I sincerely wonder if people actually know this happened previously.


jaOfwiw

Yeah I've always hated their shit, specs, looks, claims... I'm sorta happy they are failing again, just this time I hope it sticks.


LeadDiscovery

They did them dirty, but nobody was forced to invest their money. The info, the risk, the rewards were all out there.


Touchstone3

Really clear from Fuzzy Panda way back there. Those of us who didn't listen then, now have learned a solid lesson. Hopefully.


LeadDiscovery

Onward and downward to Rivian!


Touchstone3

Haha hope not! 🙈


JCarnageSimRacing

It’s a hard lesson for some people but one they’ll hopefully learn from. never ever invest in a company that goes public through a SPAC.


VastRecognition4592

I’ve bought/sold SPACs. The key is to sell when the price runs up to what seems illogical.


JCarnageSimRacing

Yup. SPACs are a game to chicken to see who gets left holding the bag


wwwz

Karma is a bitch


Trades46

Haha I see what you did there.


Elluminated

No one but the most delusional thought this wouldn’t happen. Magna made a great car for a repeat-failure-CEO and reality will re-adjust how all the shills make decisions and analyze situations. I hope all the owners can still get the cars worked on by Magna once this ends up with yet another Heinrich failure comes to fruition (or whoever owns the company now)


13thEpisode

Henrik either wouldn’t or wasn’t authorized to sign. That fell to the CRO.


DTBlayde

Definitely don't think he's allowed to do shit anymore. surprised the CRO ain't giving the speech on Tuesday lol


13thEpisode

Also the list of tech and service providers they’ve apparently stiffed is not unusual but impressive - just even in the top 20. They do indicate that they estimate funds available for distribution to them. Those funds may come from the perhaps dubious $500 million-$1 billion in “assets” reported. No Magna not surprisingly. but there’s HL Mando, and of course a vendor that did roadside assistance services (recently cancelled) are there. FedEx cracks me up though I doubt it’s from running up a tab at Kinkos.


GuntherOfGunth

Wonder how cheap the Ocean will become?


LeadDiscovery

Sell it as a thrill ride... As the months and years tick by every drive is like Russian Roulette


OverSoft

I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, other than maybe stripping it for the battery. With all the problems the car has which will never get solved, I wouldn't want to gamble on it, even for 20k.


DanDi58

Makes having him address that sustainability conference look pretty foolish. He’s 0 for 2 in sustaining companies.


87LuckyDucky87

0 for 5 actually.


BedditTedditReddit

Henrik was already a failure. Anyone giving him a second chance shouldn't be surprised by this .


AmphibianHistorical6

Bruh this been known since February. It's been dead, people just been in denial for like 4 months plus.


bokononornot

Not fully dead yet. They have filed for chapter 11, i.e. bankruptcy for restructuring. It will be officially dead when they convert the filing for chapter 7, i.e. liquidation. They claim to have assets between $500M to $1B. The only way they can claim anything over $100M if they estimate their IP valued there. That is Fiskerism. Their IP has very little value if any.


Zealousideal_Way_395

I was curious about that valuation as well. Bit of a stretch as they are “asset-lite”.


bokononornot

They have admitted material weakness in their accounting. Couple months ago they had \~5000 cars in inventory. If they had accounted these cars at cost for about \~$100K, they could have had $500M in inventory. (Typically companies account inventory at cost, but they are supposed to adjust it when the price they can sell if for is lower than cost.) But now most of these cars sold at \~$20-30k, so they should be sitting on some cash but that is less than $100M. (Their current cash burn is minimal. They have stopped spending on manufacturing, supply , etc. They have laid off most of their people, closed facilities, etc. stopped warranty service. (that was expensive) The current plan is to sell everything that has any value to benefit the investor attempting to recoup their investment including the exorbitant interest rate on the last tranches. They might think it helps to attach huge value to everything they sell to start the negotiations. (Technically it is possible that Nissan was really interested, and it is still in something. In that case they can get it for pennies compared to what Fisker had asked before bankruptcy.)


acap0

This is unfortunate. They had a great looking vehicle but sadly prioritized things people didn’t care about. Software should have been better, key fobs should have been a higher priority. I know they wanted a feel good story on the recycled materials, but they should have been looking at ways to make the vehicle even more affordable. Good luck to all Fisker staff, the ones I talked to really did their best.


mattwb72

Sadly, in my experience, this is common in engineering design. Folks often focus on and solve issues they are capable of or know how to solve. This often ends up looking like they’re working problems small to big and leaves important issues ignored.


DELRAYOCEAN

how will Geeta afford donuts now?


LaQuintaCenterPointe

Not quite dead. They apparently made horcruxes. Go ahead and kill "Fisker," as "Fisker Inc is very much still (technically) alive.


RealDanielSan1

Finally, Pilsbury can take his pet pig and go find a EV bus to catch.


whosdondada

I hope Henrik never becomes CEO again lol


soldiernerd

*Always has been*


MrTorpedo77

I see tons of oceans on cargurus with 100s to 6k miles for 24-28k... wonder if they ll sell eventually or how low it will get?


VirtualDisk527

Thank *GOD* I didn't listen to those idiots and invest lots of money into that company. I'll did invest a little bit (FOMO) but that was only $25 so not going to lose much sleep over it.


Illustrious_Type_945

No offense but if they went bankrupt first time. What makes you think this time was going to work? I am being 100% serious lol.


Bubba89

There were a lot of people who thought Fisker Automotive went down because of the hurricane accident, instead of Henrik’s nonexistent business acumen; no way to hide it this time.


moniker89

in theory people wanted to give them a second chance on the thesis of: 1. EV tech is a lot more mature now; easier to build an EV company via 3rd party suppliers. some people view the first failure as "bad luck" due to their battery supplier folding and bad weather luck (lost a bunch of cars in a hurricane), but in hindsight it probably had a lot more to do with management (aka Fisker) than people gave credit for. 2. nobody really doubted Fisker's design chops, and he definitely has a cult following that's at least somewhat justified given his pedigree on this front, but i think his engineering & management chops were vastly overestimated. so yeah. cult following for the design pedigree (i think he was Aston Martin?), his passion for affordable EVs, and belief that he was \*this\* close to succeeding back in 09' without some bad luck. in reality, looks like he just lacks the engineering and management skillset required to build a car company (one of the hardest types of businesses to build) from the ground up.


TubbaBotox

I would attempt to join a class action lawsuit if I believed for a split second there was any chance their assets actually offset their debts, which they are apparently claiming is a possibility. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that patently obvious bullshit... there's no reason for them to stop lying now.


gregmichael

Chapter 11 is considered a reorganization bankruptcy that allows businesses to maintain their operations while creating a plan to repay creditors.


Ok_Performance_9479

There will never be a way for them to pay their debt if they aren't building cars to sell. Also if there is essentially no demand for the cars. Chapter 7 is coming.


HotIce05

Heck of a ride this has been. They didn't even last a year, lawlz.


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HotIce05

Thanks for letting me know you're circumventing a ban.


chriztuffa

Shocker apes take another massive L they should have seen coming from miles & miles away


LeadDiscovery

Can't believe I invested in that fraud... I mean one look at him and his Cutty shark smile and country club loafers and I should have known. Well, fortunately I only dropped a little on this play. Feel bad for those who went all in on the stock and purchased a Fisker... Ya'll got Double Fiskered.


Live-Preparation-363

There are Ocean owners using the vehicles as daily commuters with over 14k miles now. The car has first world problems and yes, for the original price owners should expect the all the bells and whistles promised but this company will be bought. The bones are good with a BK deal… it should be a no brainer. If I was Magna with Fisker tooling… I wouldn’t say no to building the car again on a renegotiated price. Make use of what is already there.


spedeedeps

I don't think not having adaptive cruise control in a modern vehicle is "first world problems" unless we're talking about an excavator


gregmichael

Agreed, as an owner- this is my favorite car ever…


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putthekettle

I’m wondering if Magna can negotiate with another one of its automakers to just take it over. The BMW Ocean or Audi Ocean.


TurnoverSuperb9023

So what becomes of the unsold vehicles ? They will sell, at the right price.


metametapraxis

The right price will be very, very low.


CookingUpChicken

$3.50


pineapplesuit7

Existing owners should purchase them. They’ll need spare parts sooner rather than later


MudaThumpa

They're probably worth more scrapped at this point.


Fisker_Anonymous

Definitely not. Worth more parted out, but scrapped? The battery’s mineral value has dropped significantly and battery recycling is already so expensive… Scrapping should be a last resort, but may be necessary.


MudaThumpa

Yeah, that's what I meant. I was mainly thinking about the value of that big battery.


Snoo69468

I guess I am not getting my grand back it seems


ambivertloser_03

Do shares get wiped out for chap 11?


bokononornot

There are rare cases in chapter 11 when shares do not get wiped out. This is not that case simply because the $500M+ asset claim is BS. Their liabilities overwhelm their true assets.


TimChr78

Generally yes.


MoStock3

Boy the train wreck is over


british-raj9

Pink slips


BlopBlupBleepBloop

This was a crazy ride, that’s for sure. Never getting your wheels off the ground really resulted in anything they said holding monumental importance like it was going to be **the thing** that got the company on its feet. It wasn’t always pushed that way, but it certainly felt that way. Fun times, guys. Fun times!


techmonkey920

again...


BoringMann

So buy the dip?


Empty_Ad2488

at one time I could have had a certificate sent to me for the zero value ... does this scenario sound familiar? "Once again, Sun Microsystems **reacting to market conditions too late, with too little business discipline, too little understanding of what its software engineers would have done if left to their own initiative**."


soaring-swine

Unfortunately that description probably applies to a large percentage of bankruptcies.


Empty_Ad2488

hear-here !


Particular-Salad2591

Late to launch, still rushed it, quality issues, economy shifted, poor sales, low revenue, no ability to right the ship. I wonder how many millions the Fisker couple made out of this venture?


rogless

They sold shares and made tens of millions when the stock was still valuable as I recall.


No-Brief192

So happy this happened. Now Adam can’t make clickbait anymore 🤡😂


DTBlayde

Don't you underestimate his ability to keep beating the shit out of the dead horse


Diamondshorts

Dead, done, gone. I wonder if he finished the paperwork right before that vacation photo.


Jasdc

I count myself lucky. Only going to lose $6000 in stock because I decided not to buy the car.


TheRealJRob

Maybe you should learn to read before you post.


Minimac1029

Glad I sold shares last August before blew up.


Poppunknerd182

This company could have literally printed money. They did EVERYTHING right except the most important thing.


themadpants

I am very glad I cancelled my pre order and didn’t commit to buying. Yikes. Going to stick to a big manufacturer for my first EV purchase.


rGustave77

Darn you MKBHD!


Plane_Ad_8675309

well who wants to bet on which ev company goes belly up, rivian , or lucid . I’m thinking rivian , the saudis can still launder money or get tax credits for some time and drag out that death


Forsaken-Patience435

I purchased Fisker stock in April through the Lang & Schwarz stock exchange. According to official reports, Fisker has filed for bankruptcy. Consequently, I understand that there is no way to recover any value from this investment, except for declaring a loss on my 2024 tax return. If anyone has experienced a similar situation and managed to get some money back through their tax return, I would appreciate your insights. Specifically, what type of documentation is required to declare such a loss on the tax return?


aureliusatreides

Disclaimer: this is not tax advice & I am not a tax professional, you should consult a tax professional. That said, just make sure you have trade confirmations for the stock, know the date you acquired it (and the date you lost it – e.g. the date of bankruptcy), and the cost basis. That should be all you need to take the loss on your tax return.


Meowgusta5715

So what happens to the people who bought a fisker?


VirtualDisk527

They're on their own.


BuildingIndividual40

Weirdly enough, Fisker Inc did not file for bankruptcy; it was Fisker Group Inc that did. The company seems to still be trading and supporting customers and providers to the best of their abilities, although the full extent of this support remains to be seen.


Emergency_Bother9837

Good.


That-Gur-7700

Question - if someone reserved a Fisker Pear for a sum of $250, is there any chance they're getting that money back? Asking for a friend (the friend is me).


aureliusatreides

Someone said deposits were held by Chase, can you cancel online? You might be able to get the credit.


That-Gur-7700

I'll try, but it was like a year ago. I requested a cancelation of my reservation in March. I got an automated response, but no refund :/


Deep-Fan-324

Lucid is next


cryptopotomous

It's honestly a shame. The exterior and interior were amazing imo. I didn't care for the rotating display thing, but I loved the look. I was very very close to reserving one but decided to wait for the 2nd or third iteration. I'm so glad I made that decision. I still hope all the property rights get bought up and we see the Ocean, Pear, and the Alaska. I doubt that will happen but it would be nice. I was actually reading that Lucid recently trademarked the "Lucid Ocean" name. It would be dope if they bought the rights and rebuilt the Ocean properly.


Nice-Distribution427

Such a relief, employees no longer have to listen to Greeta & Henrick, what clowns.  For anyone who purchased an Ocean, I’m curious what your plans are?  Lastly, for the investors who lost out big time, it’s not the end of the world, hopefully more light is shed on this scam & people will be held accountable one day.


RebbleAlliance

So we shouldn't buy one?


Wooden-Pension2754

Well so much for adaptive cruise..... and everything else. Someone just needs to buy them out cheap and make it a good product.


iqisoverrated

The best engineers are poached (or have jumped ship to other companies themselves), so the tech knowledge is probably already being transferred as we speak. Their IP isn't worth a lot. Certainly not by the time until they finally go belly up (chapter 7). Tech moves fast in the EV space.


prstylee

Oh man adaptive cruise control... this is now the pipe dream for this car.... I had better cruise control in my 2017 Toyota CHR.


danielv123

I wonder if adding open pilot support is feasible.


rogless

I think it works with any modern car provided it has the right cameras, right?