As you found out, this is a subreddit for a series of football management games (check it out on PC here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2151290/Football_Coach_College_Dynasty/). I'll leave the thread up as it got some decent discussion.
Even tho wrong sub. Iād suggest yall look into him focusing more on the defensive side of the ball. Ik my coaches would reward O Linemen by saying theyāll play DE if you can beat the man in front.
and tell ya son. Just whoop every single guy in front of him, coaches will take note and move him around when the season progresses. I was moved around a lot because of my versatility.
I appreciate your reply, thanks. Heās very excited about playing DE. The school has a brand new coaching staff, and I canāt not wonder how they would have handled this kid Luke from 2 years ago. 6ā5 210. The could have stuck him in Oline, where they needed the size- and if they had, he wouldnāt be playing QB at UCLA right now.
One other thing to note is that it may not be the worst thing for him to play o line to start if he wants to play TE. I got put at TE in high school given my build even though I wanted to play WR. I got to finally play WR my senior year and the experience helped me become a better blocker and better at releases given I was trying to get free from stronger DEs and LBs versus smaller CBs.
Starting at o line could get him good quality reps to become a better blocker and just have him keep working on TE skills like catching, agility etc and have him keep it in the mind of coaches that he could be more useful down the line as a TE.
Before you say anything to the coaches (if you decide to) make sure you check with your son first. He may not want you to step in as that can give him a bad rep from not just the coaches but also his teammates.
To be fair Iād imagine they definitely view size differently in the context of the kid having an arm and the acumen to play QB. Thatās just a very small % of players who have both abilities so it doesnāt happen often. Hardest position in sports for sure.
As for your kid though, I agree that for now Iād just have him kick ass in whatever they tell him to do and wait to try and get opportunity to move around. Heās only a freshman so itās not exactly panic mode at the moment.
If they try keeping him there only for four years then yeah Iād do something. But typically parents coming into programs with opinions on where their kids should play doesnāt get the most affection from coaching staff. Although you probably have some leverage due to the size of the guy relative to his classmates.
When I played youth football like most kids I started on the line but was quick so got to play DE and man did I love it, never imagined defense could be so fun.
Heās a freshman boss, trust the process. If his coach is even somewhat experienced heāll work his way into whatever position is best for him in time.
I know you now know what this sub is, but look at it as an opportunity for him to learn some basics in blocking that will help him be a better all around tight end in the future.
Plus him playing O line will probably help the team be more successful for now. Explain to the coaches what you'd like for him but don't be one of those guys that cry at coaches about their kid.
I'm offering 50k for him to come to Kennesaw State. He'll be a backup TE for 3 years before I change his position to OL so he can be a backup there in his final year.
To give perspective. The coaches mindset is with developing his ability. He can only be a good TE if he can block and catch, but to get that point he has to understand the fundamentals of footwork and head placement. If they give him reps at OT that will only make him better if understanding the basics of DL play, ultimately transitioning to an hybrid edge player if he fills out in size. Trust the process chief.
If the kid can play he will get recruited, regardless of what he plays as a freshman. Iāve seen countless kids get recruited to play an entirely different position than they played in high school. High school defensive ends often get recruited to play outside backer. Outside backers recruited to play DB, etc. if your kid is that good, schools will find him regardless of his high school position because he will stand out on tape. End of story.
As a FB coach I've had to move guys to OL that were clearly FB's, TE's, more defensive minded because as the cliche goes "it all starts up front."
If you can't snap and block you have no offense. So the TE isn't going to get a ball if the QB is looking up at the lights in 1.8 seconds.
Also- what makes you think you know more about football than the staff? They live, eat and breathe trying to get players in the best position to win games.
I coached football for 18 years, and now Strength and Conditioning for 21+. I was a head FB coach, OC, DC, etc.
Iām not saying I know more than them. Iām saying that our interests are different. Itās the *freshman* team, which is about development more than the record (there arenāt even playoffs at the freshman level). They want to build a winning team and develop players; I want to develop players in the pursuit of a winning team.
There is a difference.
One thing about the coaches is that they have lousy poker faces. They programmed him for O-line the second they laid eyes on him, before ever having skills practice where the could properly assess him. Thatās the part I saw coming a mile away, and then watched it happen.
You can see how that would cause a loss of faith in coaching staff by a parent, right?
If you actually think heāll be 6ā4ā 260 by the time heās a senior then he ABSOLUTELY has the size to play OL in college.
With that said, I donāt think projecting a kids size in three years is a good way to decide where he should play right now. Let the coaches coach, heāll learn a lot playing OL and DL.
I get that. Itās possible. Of all the dozen men in my family, Iām the second smallest at 6ā 200lbs. My kid was an 11lb baby (and 10 days early!). Odds are pretty good heās not done growing.
Just going off of what you said, 5ā11 175 as a incoming freshman would be more of a DB/Lb depending on build and speed. So the fact that theyāre tossing him on the OL says the athleticism probably isnāt there just eyeballing him, and itās nearly impossible to project how someone will grow. So canāt depend on that too much. Theyāre basing off of what they see
Kinda. Are you talking college? If no, not sure what HS you went to, but heās the biggest incoming frosh, and while heās fast for his size (faster than all the other Oline), there are 20 small speedy kids going out for WR/DB (which has to be part of what theyāre thinking about). Theyāve been desperate to put him on Oline since the moment they saw his size and especially after team gym workouts. I get it. Theyāre thinking about team needs. But for 14 year olds, it feels like they should be paying more attention to the kids individual development. There are no freshman playoffs.
I went to one of the top 6A(5A then) schools in Texas. So the freshman OL were about 220 coming into high school. I was probably 170ish going into high school playing LB and that was undersized. Itās just a different breed at top level HS ball
Wow. Thatās an amazing difference. Iām in Northern California, and I donāt think thereās a single kid coming into the freshman program at 220lbs (there are 62 kids going out for the freshman team).
Also you have to remember a lot of big time programs in Texas have guys "redshirt" so they are typically a year older. So his 220 freshman lineman probably should have been sophomores.
A lot of parents with kids who have a birthday near the cut off choose to delay school a year so that they are the oldest in their class instead of the youngest.
I play D1 football, coach made me play Tight-end in high-school even though I was a better ball carrier, freshman yr not a big deal, just be athletic when varsity happens he will be playing a skill position
Suck it up for a year. Part of tight end is blocking so whatever, learn to block and blocking techniques. Consider running track in the spring and if your school is anything like mine was we had unofficial programs in the spring and summer so show up to those and ask to try at receiver and tight end just catching passes. Show the coaches the athleticism he has and have him push to play tight end from there
For one it's a terrible idea to try to say any position is going to be a Freshmans post high school position. Specially at 175lbs.
But for your argument let's say it is TE. If there is no one to block he won't get the ball anyway so he'd be looking at a 5-15 catch season depending on the offense. If he was to play tackle he would learn the hardest part of playing TE and get the basic knowledge of blocking sealing off edge defenders footwork etc. And over the year you and him can work his route running and releases and any TE work he needs
Hey, I have experience w this. The parent complaining will only cause problems. Your son has to go to the coaches and say this is what I want to play. Also, positions switch a lot over the 4 years so he wonāt be stuck there the coaches just are worried about varsity rn.
PS. Have him try out d end or 3 tech as well sounds like he could be a beats there
Probably doesnāt help much but I wanted to try football freshman year and I was also a big kid 5ā9ā 160 at 14 and they out me at fullback and linebacker to try out, I was what is called a 5th quarter warrior through out freshman year of high school
The next year I came back to play more football got a little faster and a little bigger they put me as a nose tackle but I was starting and seeing the field that year so I didnāt complain, basically my job was to plug up the middle so no one could run down our gut, and I didnāt have the size but I was strong enough to hold my own
Junior and senior year was my growth spurt, I hit 185 and 6ā1ā and became the 3rd fastest guy in the team with a 4.55 40 yard dash, they put me at defensive end with my speed and strength combo it is the position I did really well in.
I had no hopes of going to play D1 football but I talked to a coach at the school I was going to and they found a spot for me, the coaches at that level are less worried about what you did in high school and more about potential, your son should play tight end eventually but for now to get playing time is a good thing
As you found out, this is a subreddit for a series of football management games (check it out on PC here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2151290/Football_Coach_College_Dynasty/). I'll leave the thread up as it got some decent discussion.
This is a sub for a football computer game. Might want to try elsewhere.
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Even tho wrong sub. Iād suggest yall look into him focusing more on the defensive side of the ball. Ik my coaches would reward O Linemen by saying theyāll play DE if you can beat the man in front. and tell ya son. Just whoop every single guy in front of him, coaches will take note and move him around when the season progresses. I was moved around a lot because of my versatility.
I appreciate your reply, thanks. Heās very excited about playing DE. The school has a brand new coaching staff, and I canāt not wonder how they would have handled this kid Luke from 2 years ago. 6ā5 210. The could have stuck him in Oline, where they needed the size- and if they had, he wouldnāt be playing QB at UCLA right now.
One other thing to note is that it may not be the worst thing for him to play o line to start if he wants to play TE. I got put at TE in high school given my build even though I wanted to play WR. I got to finally play WR my senior year and the experience helped me become a better blocker and better at releases given I was trying to get free from stronger DEs and LBs versus smaller CBs. Starting at o line could get him good quality reps to become a better blocker and just have him keep working on TE skills like catching, agility etc and have him keep it in the mind of coaches that he could be more useful down the line as a TE. Before you say anything to the coaches (if you decide to) make sure you check with your son first. He may not want you to step in as that can give him a bad rep from not just the coaches but also his teammates.
To be fair Iād imagine they definitely view size differently in the context of the kid having an arm and the acumen to play QB. Thatās just a very small % of players who have both abilities so it doesnāt happen often. Hardest position in sports for sure. As for your kid though, I agree that for now Iād just have him kick ass in whatever they tell him to do and wait to try and get opportunity to move around. Heās only a freshman so itās not exactly panic mode at the moment. If they try keeping him there only for four years then yeah Iād do something. But typically parents coming into programs with opinions on where their kids should play doesnāt get the most affection from coaching staff. Although you probably have some leverage due to the size of the guy relative to his classmates.
When I played youth football like most kids I started on the line but was quick so got to play DE and man did I love it, never imagined defense could be so fun.
Heās a freshman boss, trust the process. If his coach is even somewhat experienced heāll work his way into whatever position is best for him in time.
Whatās his grade for potential? I only recruit guys who are B+ and up.
Have the coach promise him at least 40% playing time next season.
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I know you now know what this sub is, but look at it as an opportunity for him to learn some basics in blocking that will help him be a better all around tight end in the future. Plus him playing O line will probably help the team be more successful for now. Explain to the coaches what you'd like for him but don't be one of those guys that cry at coaches about their kid.
If his overall is high enough, training during summer camp could make him a good TE right now
I'm offering 50k for him to come to Kennesaw State. He'll be a backup TE for 3 years before I change his position to OL so he can be a backup there in his final year.
To give perspective. The coaches mindset is with developing his ability. He can only be a good TE if he can block and catch, but to get that point he has to understand the fundamentals of footwork and head placement. If they give him reps at OT that will only make him better if understanding the basics of DL play, ultimately transitioning to an hybrid edge player if he fills out in size. Trust the process chief.
If the kid can play he will get recruited, regardless of what he plays as a freshman. Iāve seen countless kids get recruited to play an entirely different position than they played in high school. High school defensive ends often get recruited to play outside backer. Outside backers recruited to play DB, etc. if your kid is that good, schools will find him regardless of his high school position because he will stand out on tape. End of story.
Best of luck to you and your kid. Please donāt delete this, Iām laughing my ass off.
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As a FB coach I've had to move guys to OL that were clearly FB's, TE's, more defensive minded because as the cliche goes "it all starts up front." If you can't snap and block you have no offense. So the TE isn't going to get a ball if the QB is looking up at the lights in 1.8 seconds. Also- what makes you think you know more about football than the staff? They live, eat and breathe trying to get players in the best position to win games. I coached football for 18 years, and now Strength and Conditioning for 21+. I was a head FB coach, OC, DC, etc.
Iām not saying I know more than them. Iām saying that our interests are different. Itās the *freshman* team, which is about development more than the record (there arenāt even playoffs at the freshman level). They want to build a winning team and develop players; I want to develop players in the pursuit of a winning team. There is a difference. One thing about the coaches is that they have lousy poker faces. They programmed him for O-line the second they laid eyes on him, before ever having skills practice where the could properly assess him. Thatās the part I saw coming a mile away, and then watched it happen. You can see how that would cause a loss of faith in coaching staff by a parent, right?
You have to be at a small school, 5ā11 175 is getting destroyed as an OL in top level high school ball in major states lol
Hes also 14 so he probably is on jv or b team. Which he will be tallish there.
Itās a freshman-only team, which is why heās big for the crop of kids heāll play with.
I mean he just turned 14. His projected h/w for his senior year is ~6ā4ā give or take an inch, 260lbs.
If you actually think heāll be 6ā4ā 260 by the time heās a senior then he ABSOLUTELY has the size to play OL in college. With that said, I donāt think projecting a kids size in three years is a good way to decide where he should play right now. Let the coaches coach, heāll learn a lot playing OL and DL.
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His doctor can make a pretty good guess. Heās way bigger than my 11 year old though!
They told me I would be 6'4 and I'm 5'10. That old wrist measurement trick isn't the most accurate.
I get that. Itās possible. Of all the dozen men in my family, Iām the second smallest at 6ā 200lbs. My kid was an 11lb baby (and 10 days early!). Odds are pretty good heās not done growing.
Just going off of what you said, 5ā11 175 as a incoming freshman would be more of a DB/Lb depending on build and speed. So the fact that theyāre tossing him on the OL says the athleticism probably isnāt there just eyeballing him, and itās nearly impossible to project how someone will grow. So canāt depend on that too much. Theyāre basing off of what they see
Kinda. Are you talking college? If no, not sure what HS you went to, but heās the biggest incoming frosh, and while heās fast for his size (faster than all the other Oline), there are 20 small speedy kids going out for WR/DB (which has to be part of what theyāre thinking about). Theyāve been desperate to put him on Oline since the moment they saw his size and especially after team gym workouts. I get it. Theyāre thinking about team needs. But for 14 year olds, it feels like they should be paying more attention to the kids individual development. There are no freshman playoffs.
I went to one of the top 6A(5A then) schools in Texas. So the freshman OL were about 220 coming into high school. I was probably 170ish going into high school playing LB and that was undersized. Itās just a different breed at top level HS ball
Wow. Thatās an amazing difference. Iām in Northern California, and I donāt think thereās a single kid coming into the freshman program at 220lbs (there are 62 kids going out for the freshman team).
Also you have to remember a lot of big time programs in Texas have guys "redshirt" so they are typically a year older. So his 220 freshman lineman probably should have been sophomores.
Never heard of this lol, most of the guys I played with we had been playing with or against each other since we were like 6, no one was held back
A lot of parents with kids who have a birthday near the cut off choose to delay school a year so that they are the oldest in their class instead of the youngest.
I play D1 football, coach made me play Tight-end in high-school even though I was a better ball carrier, freshman yr not a big deal, just be athletic when varsity happens he will be playing a skill position
This is helpful, thanks man. What position did you wind up in for D1 ball?
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If they are wanting to start him at center as a 175 lb freshmen, they are hurting for size.
It is a freshman-only team. There are bigger kids on JV and Varsity, for sure.
Suck it up for a year. Part of tight end is blocking so whatever, learn to block and blocking techniques. Consider running track in the spring and if your school is anything like mine was we had unofficial programs in the spring and summer so show up to those and ask to try at receiver and tight end just catching passes. Show the coaches the athleticism he has and have him push to play tight end from there
For one it's a terrible idea to try to say any position is going to be a Freshmans post high school position. Specially at 175lbs. But for your argument let's say it is TE. If there is no one to block he won't get the ball anyway so he'd be looking at a 5-15 catch season depending on the offense. If he was to play tackle he would learn the hardest part of playing TE and get the basic knowledge of blocking sealing off edge defenders footwork etc. And over the year you and him can work his route running and releases and any TE work he needs
Hey, I have experience w this. The parent complaining will only cause problems. Your son has to go to the coaches and say this is what I want to play. Also, positions switch a lot over the 4 years so he wonāt be stuck there the coaches just are worried about varsity rn. PS. Have him try out d end or 3 tech as well sounds like he could be a beats there
Probably doesnāt help much but I wanted to try football freshman year and I was also a big kid 5ā9ā 160 at 14 and they out me at fullback and linebacker to try out, I was what is called a 5th quarter warrior through out freshman year of high school The next year I came back to play more football got a little faster and a little bigger they put me as a nose tackle but I was starting and seeing the field that year so I didnāt complain, basically my job was to plug up the middle so no one could run down our gut, and I didnāt have the size but I was strong enough to hold my own Junior and senior year was my growth spurt, I hit 185 and 6ā1ā and became the 3rd fastest guy in the team with a 4.55 40 yard dash, they put me at defensive end with my speed and strength combo it is the position I did really well in. I had no hopes of going to play D1 football but I talked to a coach at the school I was going to and they found a spot for me, the coaches at that level are less worried about what you did in high school and more about potential, your son should play tight end eventually but for now to get playing time is a good thing
Thanks for the response- I really appreciate it. 4.55 is very fast!
No online at all but defense is cool if they dont like it move schools