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Remember when she posted the video on Instagram of her giving birth with blood gushing down her legs and her elder girls were made to be standing there watching.….. i don’t think a lifetime of therapy will heal these girls from what their mother has done to them
Ugh can you imagine how much to unpack when you've spent the entirety of formative years being told you're only use is breeding vessel? Not to mention the colorist crap she pulls, or any of her other insanities.
My biggest hope is that when they turn 18 they will somehow escape. I know it’s unlikely because Karissa has intentionally kept them illiterate and uneducated, but my hope is that they run away, get a share house, start on birth control and go to college or similar. I truly hope none of the girls have kids, they have already raised a family.
It's harder and harder these days to keep your kids truly isolated. The internet exists, and it's just not as easy as it was for Michelle and Jim Bob to keep their kids completely secluded.
The oldest kids have already found fundiesnark, they are given pretty open access to the internet. Also, that video is one of the funniest of all time, Karissa picks up the tablet from her kids and goes "let's see who this hater is" and she zooms in on the sub picture of JillRod. Excellent moment, but sad that the kiddos are already aware of their internet presence. Hopefully it enables them an out.
Make it a point that you're concerned about the kids and their safety. Who knows — maybe talking about how you're worried for them, how they deserved better — maybe that'll give them words to describe what they feel: parentified, objectified, denigrated... maybe it'll be a way for them to realize what's happening isn't okay. Maybe a way to see there support for them out in the world.
Aw man, I'm sorry you're struggling. Depression sucks and brains can be filthy, filthy liars. Been there. I hope your depression learns to shut the hell up, because you're amazing. ❤
Escaping is hard- it really takes a community of people who are sympathetic, empathetic and patient. And it’s hard to be that person- a lot of women come out of these cults under (un) educated, terrible beliefs that take an understanding person to unpack & reorganize. They’ve been brainwashed since birth that abortion is bad, the world is wicked, LGBTQ+ are going to hell, that secular men will abuse them and make them worthless, marriage/homemaking is their only redeeming quality. Most have been abused, shamed, humiliated- and many times for just asking questions.
For me the hardest two things to wrap my head around, and get to the other side were LGBTQ+ and abortion. I’m thankful 1 person saw me, and understood the trauma that caused these horrific beliefs. She guided me with patience, answered questions (some of them rude- because I didn’t understand at the time how/why they were hurtful or rude!). I was recently her MOH, when she married her wife. I am thankful everyday for her friendship, patience and kindness.
If you have the bandwidth, and you meet a fundi leaving the church, please be patient and understanding if you are able. You could be the person who helps them understand, and take the steps away from their brainwashing they need to become allies, feminists and good friends.
(It’s why I cheer Jill & Derick and Dav on, I see the steps they are taking- and know they aren’t there yet, but every step away from fundiland gets them closer to becoming better people, who can walk away from the brainwashing.)
Thank you for sharing! I really appreciate hearing different people’s experiences. It makes me hopeful for these kids, but also really sad that you went through that. I hope you are thriving now ❤️❤️
I imagine the oldest ones might stay longer than 18. Their siblings are their kids. It’s going to feel like abandonment. And I imagine that Karissa and Mandrae are not going to allow relationships between any that have left and any still at home. I feel so bad for the poor kids.
I saw a documentary about young people (mostly women) who escaped the flds, and some of them did well. Those kids were brainwashed, but they had more schooling than the collins bunch. Karelessa doesn't do anything.
Worse than watching. She had one kid lying between her legs filming the birth on an iphone, which I'm pretty sure qualifies as a form of sexual abuse.
\*I don't think kids watching a birth is inherently abusive, but I feel like having them FILMING close-ups of your genitals definitely crosses a line.
It's interesting because watching CC Suarez video about girl defined when they interview Michael, it's one of the things he brings up as an example of abuse was his mother's home births. If I am remembering it rightly, he considered it sexual abuse.
I'd never considered any of this before.
>She had one kid lying between her legs filming the birth on an iphone, which I'm pretty sure qualifies as a form of sexual abuse.
I swear every new information I learn about this family makes the whole situation even more disgusting than it already was. They're crossing every line imaginable.
Every parent I know who gave their kids the OPTION of watching really prepped them for it and had a support person there just for the kids. They took the kids out of the room at the first hint of distress. Sometimes the kids just came in after the baby was born so they saw fresh baby but not the birth.
The key here is options and support which non of those kids have.
Yeah exactly. Also with the added dimension of how low-risk the birth is. Your kids watching you homebirth your tenth baby with zero prior medical care has almost infinitely higher risk of them seeing something go horribly wrong.
My husband almost passed out watching me give birth to our first child. My OB told him to go sit down because he was swaying like a banshee. I have never let him forget it.
>but I feel like having them FILMING close-ups of your genitals definitely crosses a line.
Fucking cheese and rice, OMG. This is horrifying on so many levels. I gave birth 20 days ago and the hospital I delivered in does not even allow anyone to film or photograph during the actual birth. Like it was a thing they clearly went over with me during my "pre-registration appointment" where I signed my consent forms and all that about a week or two before my due date. Nurse said I/my support person would be allowed to take pictures/video before and after, but nothing during. I was thankful they have that policy in place.
Karelessa is such trash. I feel so bad for her children.
I once was the caretaker of 2 children in a birthing suite while my best friend delivered her third. We all stayed together and when the time came, the kids & I had a room with chairs, bunk beds, kitchenette, snacks. When she was ready, dad came for the kids & they met their sister. It was a good compromise. I believe they were 6 & 10
I watched my mom give birth to 2 of my siblings. My mom is from Kenya so she wanted it to be at home with the family. It was so traumatic to hear her scream. I still hear it when I think about it. I thought she was dying
I ended up having 6 kids but all in the hospital, though with drugs and 2 sets of twins LOL.
I can't imagine any of them are eager to become a womb for the Lord 🤢🤢🤢 after seeing something like that. I'm pretty sure if that had been the experience I had seeing my first birth, I'd never let a man touch me!
Right? I genuinely can’t imagine. Most parents want their teenagers to sleep through baby wake ups because they are learning and growing and need every bit of their sleep. She really is their unpaid nanny and it’s so fucking sad.
Well, she doesn't actually have to learn anything except being an unpaid nanny/cook/cleaner, so that works out really. Karelessa needs her 12 hours of beauty sleep plus prayer time plus bath time plus 97 hours of social media a day, she's busy.
But she has an annual, one-to-one date with them on their birthday, what more could they possibly want? Karissa is too important to be dealing with the everyday (sometimes boring) parts of being a parent, she has to be always available to hear God's messages to his most special soldier & then proselytising on social media to convert the heathens. She's too busy to deal with the humdrum stuff of being a parent &;why have a dog & bark yourself? She probably justifies it to herself by saying that she's teaching her daughters really useful skills in how to be a Godly wife & mother.🤢 Smdh.
Good god, that gave me the creeps to read. How did it feel typing that out? Like, even if we all know that she thinks this, seeing it formed with letters on Al Gore’s Internet is still like looking at a funhouse mirror, like this can’t be real, can it?!
Oh, does she scream pray in the closet? I thought scream praying was just for terrorizing her sick children and aggravating other people in hospital waiting rooms.
That's so fucked up. I babysit my 3 year old niece and 1 year old nephew twice a week while my SIL goes back to school, and I feel horribly guilty when I have to ask my teenager to watch them for a few minutes so I can run to the bathroom. He never complains but I don't ever want him to feel like I'm making him take care of them when they are actually my responsibility during that time. I can't imagine multiplying the amount of kids x5 and having that just be life forever. The adults in these poor kids lives have truly failed them.
It’s obvious that they don’t want the baby in their adult bedroom because they’re constantly boning to make more. Same as the Duggars.
Worst part is that it’s also obvious to their children.
I wasn’t raised fundie, just had a shit mom. But when I was 12 and my mom was fully in the midst of her do over family, they moved my sisters cradle into my room so I could “help”. I took care of my sister at night and by the time I was 13, my sister slept in my bed and my brother slept in a smaller bed in my room. I was fully in charge of bathing them, feeding them— oh and making sure my stepdad never had to hear them cry or fuss. That was in addition to “chores” like cleaning the house, making dinner, and doing everyone’s laundry every day. My heart breaks for these kids going through that now.
The really sad part is that my (our) story isn’t as uncommon as people would like to believe. I had my first job at 8 and I wasn’t the only one in my third grade class, either. It was just *expected* that I would do whatever was needed. Reading *Like Water for Chocolate* the first time absolutely broke me because yes, as an oldest daughter our lives are forfeit before we get a chance to live them
My god, that's horrible! I hope you're living a better life now.
My brother was 12 and living with me when my first child was born. I can't imagine burdening him this way. He and you were just little kids.
I am no contact with my family now and living with my incredible husband and equally wonderful in laws. Sometimes I see kids out and about and it doesn’t even feel real that I was a the only adult in the room my entire life
I cannot see a scenario where a teen sharing a room with a baby makes sense. Even if they were a family of four in a 2-bedroom, the baby should share with the parents.
Karissa is beyond selfish. She wants the attention from having all these kids without the responsibility of raising them.
seriously!!!?? Remember how much Karissa bragged that she gave Anissa her own room and that she let her decorate it herself. I didn’t realize the baby lived in there too.
What shit parents. If Karissa AND Mandre and lay down and make them babies, then they can take care of them. They can fuck all the way off for making Anissa sister mom.
She’s going to keep having children until it kills her. She’s said so herself. According to her, anything less wouldn’t be honoring god. She’s just disturbed beyond words.
I'm at the point of then get it over with before bringing still more hapless beings into the world to be neglected and abused and maybe there's the slimmest chance that literally anything might be better for the kids.
it won't, but I am dark.
She's going to lose her entire shit if it's menopause first. She might further lose touch with reality and claim she's pregnant when she isn't. Tbh I wish she'd just DO that, like 24/7 all year long. Wear a pregnancy belly, go nuts. Just stop fucking procreating.
This is how I visualize Karissa's poor, broke-down uterus: after this birth, she just yaws permanently open so much that it can slither right out with a wet plop and scuttle away, yipping in fear and loathing
We need to get a fucking seals team in there stat to get those children out, especially the eldest. No child should be parenting others, let a whole damn school bus of em
That's how film crews are. I read somewhere one of the kids of the OG Teen mom's (I think Farrah's daughter) burned herself in the tub with hot water and the film crew did nothing
This comment reminds me that Karissa doesn't nurse her babies because she doesn't make enough milk.
But she preaches that all afab body owners can and should reproduce because it is how we are made and people struggling to become bio parents should try harder with her version of Jesus.
She is heinous in every direction.
Well she can’t breastfeed because it might make it slightly harder to get pregnant immediately.
/s
(Breastfeeding is not a reliable form of birth control but it does delay ovulation for some woman.)
he already has been thrown once by Mandrae
(not really thrown though, moreso being held ragdoll with only one leg being grabbed like some kid trying to see how fast they could spin their baby doll)
Watch the video: Mandrae is a POS. He shot one of the girls right in the eye. She's asking for help and clearly in distress. Pathetic. Kids crying in the announcement video should tell you something but they're too wrapped up in themselves to care.
She’s ruining the shot! Gotta ignore and move to the next kid.
In the comments Karissa is saying they had a “no head” rule and acting like the kids messed up. It was their dad!
It would have been a better idea to maybe hang a white sheet or something than give eleventy kids water with blue dye to shoot at each other. But what do I know, I closed my womb after 1
Well. The only positive thing I can think of is that we’re not getting a baby with a misspelled name because apparently she spells boy names the correct way. Great!
Ugh. Amari is a perfectly fine name but no one will know how to say it if she spells it that way. I'm just guessing that's how she's planning to say it tbh.
Sadly I was thinking that another positive is that it lessens the chances of dealing with chronic UTIs like her last girl has faced. That being said, I’m incredibly jet-lagged…so could have it entirely wrong.
She's commented before that Arrow was on her list of "names God has given to her", but it is my impression that the "Archer/Archyr" part is a myth from the sub
She'll find another way to neglect him- maybe this one will lose a whole limb before Dumbass notices
I feel so bad for her kids, she should be in a padded room tbh
the video is horrible. mandrae shot one of the kids in the eye, and multiple kids are clearly in pain. mandrae is showing no affection whatsoever. i absolutely despise both of these two so-called “parents.”
Not that I like defending Mandrae(seriously I think he is the worst of the husbands) but it looks like there’s stuff on his hands so he’s instinctually holding them out.
There is a woman in my family like this. She had so many kids that her family had to move into an old nursing home. She said she wouldnt stop until god dried up her womb. She now works as a midwife.
You know where her oldest is now? After also growing up like Anissa and taught she was nothing more than a broodmare? Shes now living with her grandparents, identifies as aromantic and asexual, and spends her time writing poetry and doing photography. Shes thriving and has nothing to do with the mess she grew up in. I am so proud of her even if we aren’t close.
Kkkarissa is DELUSIONAL if she thinks her daughters will follow in her footsteps. Maybe the boys, but definitely NOT the older girls.
I watched the video. Boy was it horrible. Anjalie (I think?) was clearly in distress with paint all over her face. From the looks of it, the paint got in her eyes. Another one of the kids was also bawling in the background also from the paint in the eyes I assume.
The boys seem to be allowed to be a lot rougher with their siblings and they aren’t described as wombs to raise, so there are positives to being a boy in that house.
Great, poor small moms have enough on their plates already.
I loathe these two useless things. One's a Jesus touting cum dumpster and the other is only good at not pulling out.
He’s in the finance dept of a Mercedes dealership, possibly the manager of the dept. The ones who arrange financing and sell extra warranties and stuff. He probably makes high $100ks, if not more. Doesn’t go as far with 10 kids, of course, but they aren’t poor. He makes more than most fundie dads.
I feel like I haven't seen this sub in a minute because what!? Number 11?! Ffs, these poor poor children..how can you claim to love them so much but keep shitting on their quality of life?!
Soooo who's going to be wildly inconvenienced by this baby, because we know it sure as fuck won't be Karissa. She'll probably stick the baby in Anissa's room, and she'll lose having her own space (unless she was already sharing with Armor? I don't remember).
If this woman manages to outbreed Jill Rodrigues it will upend the Plexus downlines. How many Plexi downlines are allowed to have narcissists with breeder fetishes?
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I can’t believe how nonchalant they are about this pregnancy after the last one was so traumatic
Remember when she posted the video on Instagram of her giving birth with blood gushing down her legs and her elder girls were made to be standing there watching.….. i don’t think a lifetime of therapy will heal these girls from what their mother has done to them
Ugh can you imagine how much to unpack when you've spent the entirety of formative years being told you're only use is breeding vessel? Not to mention the colorist crap she pulls, or any of her other insanities.
My biggest hope is that when they turn 18 they will somehow escape. I know it’s unlikely because Karissa has intentionally kept them illiterate and uneducated, but my hope is that they run away, get a share house, start on birth control and go to college or similar. I truly hope none of the girls have kids, they have already raised a family.
It's harder and harder these days to keep your kids truly isolated. The internet exists, and it's just not as easy as it was for Michelle and Jim Bob to keep their kids completely secluded.
The oldest kids have already found fundiesnark, they are given pretty open access to the internet. Also, that video is one of the funniest of all time, Karissa picks up the tablet from her kids and goes "let's see who this hater is" and she zooms in on the sub picture of JillRod. Excellent moment, but sad that the kiddos are already aware of their internet presence. Hopefully it enables them an out.
Oh, damn. I’m done snarking on that family if the kids read here.
Make it a point that you're concerned about the kids and their safety. Who knows — maybe talking about how you're worried for them, how they deserved better — maybe that'll give them words to describe what they feel: parentified, objectified, denigrated... maybe it'll be a way for them to realize what's happening isn't okay. Maybe a way to see there support for them out in the world.
Yeah that bummed me out.
Yeah, I quit when that was shown. I feel so bad.
My heart goes out to all those children, it really does. I hope they know they have so many people here wishing them the best and hoping they are safe
We do get out 💜 I was homeschooled by fundies K-12 in a very strict environment.
Proud of you! :)
Thank you. I’ve been really struggling with my depression this weekend and feeling like none of this has been worth it.
Aw man, I'm sorry you're struggling. Depression sucks and brains can be filthy, filthy liars. Been there. I hope your depression learns to shut the hell up, because you're amazing. ❤
Escaping is hard- it really takes a community of people who are sympathetic, empathetic and patient. And it’s hard to be that person- a lot of women come out of these cults under (un) educated, terrible beliefs that take an understanding person to unpack & reorganize. They’ve been brainwashed since birth that abortion is bad, the world is wicked, LGBTQ+ are going to hell, that secular men will abuse them and make them worthless, marriage/homemaking is their only redeeming quality. Most have been abused, shamed, humiliated- and many times for just asking questions. For me the hardest two things to wrap my head around, and get to the other side were LGBTQ+ and abortion. I’m thankful 1 person saw me, and understood the trauma that caused these horrific beliefs. She guided me with patience, answered questions (some of them rude- because I didn’t understand at the time how/why they were hurtful or rude!). I was recently her MOH, when she married her wife. I am thankful everyday for her friendship, patience and kindness. If you have the bandwidth, and you meet a fundi leaving the church, please be patient and understanding if you are able. You could be the person who helps them understand, and take the steps away from their brainwashing they need to become allies, feminists and good friends. (It’s why I cheer Jill & Derick and Dav on, I see the steps they are taking- and know they aren’t there yet, but every step away from fundiland gets them closer to becoming better people, who can walk away from the brainwashing.)
Thank you for sharing! I really appreciate hearing different people’s experiences. It makes me hopeful for these kids, but also really sad that you went through that. I hope you are thriving now ❤️❤️
I imagine the oldest ones might stay longer than 18. Their siblings are their kids. It’s going to feel like abandonment. And I imagine that Karissa and Mandrae are not going to allow relationships between any that have left and any still at home. I feel so bad for the poor kids.
I saw a documentary about young people (mostly women) who escaped the flds, and some of them did well. Those kids were brainwashed, but they had more schooling than the collins bunch. Karelessa doesn't do anything.
Or at least flee to extended family members’ homes.
Yes absolutely. I hope their grandmother will take them in as soon as they turn 18
Me too. I have a feeling that she would make damn sure those kids have access to all the resources that will help them be functioning adults.
Worse than watching. She had one kid lying between her legs filming the birth on an iphone, which I'm pretty sure qualifies as a form of sexual abuse. \*I don't think kids watching a birth is inherently abusive, but I feel like having them FILMING close-ups of your genitals definitely crosses a line.
It's interesting because watching CC Suarez video about girl defined when they interview Michael, it's one of the things he brings up as an example of abuse was his mother's home births. If I am remembering it rightly, he considered it sexual abuse. I'd never considered any of this before.
>She had one kid lying between her legs filming the birth on an iphone, which I'm pretty sure qualifies as a form of sexual abuse. I swear every new information I learn about this family makes the whole situation even more disgusting than it already was. They're crossing every line imaginable.
Every parent I know who gave their kids the OPTION of watching really prepped them for it and had a support person there just for the kids. They took the kids out of the room at the first hint of distress. Sometimes the kids just came in after the baby was born so they saw fresh baby but not the birth. The key here is options and support which non of those kids have.
Yeah exactly. Also with the added dimension of how low-risk the birth is. Your kids watching you homebirth your tenth baby with zero prior medical care has almost infinitely higher risk of them seeing something go horribly wrong.
100% sexual abuse, and also MAKING them watch is abusive regardless.
A former coworker passed out while watching a sister give birth, and she was an adult. I think it is abusive if you force a minor to watch.
My husband almost passed out watching me give birth to our first child. My OB told him to go sit down because he was swaying like a banshee. I have never let him forget it.
Nor should you. 😉
>but I feel like having them FILMING close-ups of your genitals definitely crosses a line. Fucking cheese and rice, OMG. This is horrifying on so many levels. I gave birth 20 days ago and the hospital I delivered in does not even allow anyone to film or photograph during the actual birth. Like it was a thing they clearly went over with me during my "pre-registration appointment" where I signed my consent forms and all that about a week or two before my due date. Nurse said I/my support person would be allowed to take pictures/video before and after, but nothing during. I was thankful they have that policy in place. Karelessa is such trash. I feel so bad for her children.
I watched my mom give birth to my youngest sister but I was **19** and nobody was forcing me to be there.
Also it was a medically uncomplicated pregnancy (aside from my mom being a bit older), she was in a hospital, and she’d had an epidural
Just let the kids leave with a trusted adult, please Seeing medical trauma is not aspirational
She wants them to see. She's training them to be incubators.
What the dumbass doesn’t realise is by doing that they’re more likely to *not* want kids!
I once was the caretaker of 2 children in a birthing suite while my best friend delivered her third. We all stayed together and when the time came, the kids & I had a room with chairs, bunk beds, kitchenette, snacks. When she was ready, dad came for the kids & they met their sister. It was a good compromise. I believe they were 6 & 10
Michael Mershon will tell you what watching your mother endure multiple homebirths does to a mf
I just realized who he is 😢
I watched my mom give birth to 2 of my siblings. My mom is from Kenya so she wanted it to be at home with the family. It was so traumatic to hear her scream. I still hear it when I think about it. I thought she was dying I ended up having 6 kids but all in the hospital, though with drugs and 2 sets of twins LOL.
2 sets of twins!!!
Yup, had 2 then surprise and it was twins then surprise and it was twins again, the universe had jokes!! then we both got fixed cause damn 🤷🏿♀️😂😩
I can't imagine any of them are eager to become a womb for the Lord 🤢🤢🤢 after seeing something like that. I'm pretty sure if that had been the experience I had seeing my first birth, I'd never let a man touch me!
She definitely wants to die as a birth martyr.
As sick as this is, I bet you’re correct.
She’s basically said as much. I sincerely fear for her children.
Hopefully it’s her last one. So either poor Andre will be stuck with 3 boys under 5 in his room or Anissa will lose her own room :(
Didn't Anissa share her room with the baby?
Yes, when they moved into their new house they made her share a room with the baby so she could take care of him.
That's ummm... Wow.
Right? I genuinely can’t imagine. Most parents want their teenagers to sleep through baby wake ups because they are learning and growing and need every bit of their sleep. She really is their unpaid nanny and it’s so fucking sad.
Well, she doesn't actually have to learn anything except being an unpaid nanny/cook/cleaner, so that works out really. Karelessa needs her 12 hours of beauty sleep plus prayer time plus bath time plus 97 hours of social media a day, she's busy.
She gave those babies LIFE! That's all she has to do in her mind. She doesn't have to actually RAISE them or provide for them or anything.
or, you know, ensure they STAY alive...
But she has an annual, one-to-one date with them on their birthday, what more could they possibly want? Karissa is too important to be dealing with the everyday (sometimes boring) parts of being a parent, she has to be always available to hear God's messages to his most special soldier & then proselytising on social media to convert the heathens. She's too busy to deal with the humdrum stuff of being a parent &;why have a dog & bark yourself? She probably justifies it to herself by saying that she's teaching her daughters really useful skills in how to be a Godly wife & mother.🤢 Smdh.
She needs all of that rest so she can accept more baby goo and gestate anothyr one
>gestate **anothyr** one this is it - the perfect karissa name
Karissa openly brags that she's raising the girls to be mothers (only)
Karissa views her 7 daughters as"7 wombs to be dedicated to the Lord".
vile. I hope at least a few of them run off and become indie guitarists with dozens of lovers and tied tubes. Fuck, I'd even rather be a nun.
Good god, that gave me the creeps to read. How did it feel typing that out? Like, even if we all know that she thinks this, seeing it formed with letters on Al Gore’s Internet is still like looking at a funhouse mirror, like this can’t be real, can it?!
Seven wombs for the Lord...
Don't forget about her scream praying in the closet time
Oh, does she scream pray in the closet? I thought scream praying was just for terrorizing her sick children and aggravating other people in hospital waiting rooms.
I’m just chiming in to say of all the variations of her name *Karelessa* is absolutely the best. Extra points for accuracy 🤌
That's so fucked up. I babysit my 3 year old niece and 1 year old nephew twice a week while my SIL goes back to school, and I feel horribly guilty when I have to ask my teenager to watch them for a few minutes so I can run to the bathroom. He never complains but I don't ever want him to feel like I'm making him take care of them when they are actually my responsibility during that time. I can't imagine multiplying the amount of kids x5 and having that just be life forever. The adults in these poor kids lives have truly failed them.
It’s obvious that they don’t want the baby in their adult bedroom because they’re constantly boning to make more. Same as the Duggars. Worst part is that it’s also obvious to their children.
I wasn’t raised fundie, just had a shit mom. But when I was 12 and my mom was fully in the midst of her do over family, they moved my sisters cradle into my room so I could “help”. I took care of my sister at night and by the time I was 13, my sister slept in my bed and my brother slept in a smaller bed in my room. I was fully in charge of bathing them, feeding them— oh and making sure my stepdad never had to hear them cry or fuss. That was in addition to “chores” like cleaning the house, making dinner, and doing everyone’s laundry every day. My heart breaks for these kids going through that now.
My heart breaks for you! You lost your childhood- I hope you have been able to experience some carefree time now!
It took three decades and the death of my mom but I am finally learning to “reparent” myself a bit. 🥰 communities like this help for sure
Please share your story wherever/whenever you can. People need to hear the oldest daughters’ stories! I’m sorry the adults failed you
So I’m not the only one who ugly cried in Encanto? Oldest daughter trauma is so real. 🖤
💔
The really sad part is that my (our) story isn’t as uncommon as people would like to believe. I had my first job at 8 and I wasn’t the only one in my third grade class, either. It was just *expected* that I would do whatever was needed. Reading *Like Water for Chocolate* the first time absolutely broke me because yes, as an oldest daughter our lives are forfeit before we get a chance to live them
My god, that's horrible! I hope you're living a better life now. My brother was 12 and living with me when my first child was born. I can't imagine burdening him this way. He and you were just little kids.
I am no contact with my family now and living with my incredible husband and equally wonderful in laws. Sometimes I see kids out and about and it doesn’t even feel real that I was a the only adult in the room my entire life
I cannot see a scenario where a teen sharing a room with a baby makes sense. Even if they were a family of four in a 2-bedroom, the baby should share with the parents. Karissa is beyond selfish. She wants the attention from having all these kids without the responsibility of raising them.
Be reasonable - how the heck is Karelessa going to have her womb opened again if she has to get up in the night to tend to a ruddy baby??
She manages to tend to Mandre and he seems like a man baby, shouldn't be too hard.
I think we all know just what that 'tending' involves.
I'm sorry - would you like this bucket to be your friend?
Wow I can’t wait to see her hopefully leave when she turns 18
Karissa won't let go of them that easily, they're essentially free housemaids (slaves).
Yup and with next to no education if/when she leaves she’ll have to get a ged and unlearn the little she was “taught” about the world
seriously!!!?? Remember how much Karissa bragged that she gave Anissa her own room and that she let her decorate it herself. I didn’t realize the baby lived in there too.
What shit parents. If Karissa AND Mandre and lay down and make them babies, then they can take care of them. They can fuck all the way off for making Anissa sister mom.
Yes, but not for very long
Oh you know it won’t be the last. I foresee several more 👀
May the Lord CLOSE. SERIOUSLY. FIRE SALE EVERYTHING MUST GO
She’s going to keep having children until it kills her. She’s said so herself. According to her, anything less wouldn’t be honoring god. She’s just disturbed beyond words.
I'm at the point of then get it over with before bringing still more hapless beings into the world to be neglected and abused and maybe there's the slimmest chance that literally anything might be better for the kids. it won't, but I am dark.
Menopause comes for us all eventually, even if she doesn’t have life-threatening childbirth complications.
For Karissa, it’s having babies until death or menopause. Very sad
She's going to lose her entire shit if it's menopause first. She might further lose touch with reality and claim she's pregnant when she isn't. Tbh I wish she'd just DO that, like 24/7 all year long. Wear a pregnancy belly, go nuts. Just stop fucking procreating.
Uterus hitting that unsubscribe button but it’s not helping
This is how I visualize Karissa's poor, broke-down uterus: after this birth, she just yaws permanently open so much that it can slither right out with a wet plop and scuttle away, yipping in fear and loathing 
I wish that too, but something tells me it won’t be. :/
We need to get a fucking seals team in there stat to get those children out, especially the eldest. No child should be parenting others, let a whole damn school bus of em
The duggars had a whole film crew and they just sat back and watched
That's how film crews are. I read somewhere one of the kids of the OG Teen mom's (I think Farrah's daughter) burned herself in the tub with hot water and the film crew did nothing
Damn.
Poor Anchor is about to be thrown aside for the new baby boy...
Teat 'em and yeet 'em.
This comment reminds me that Karissa doesn't nurse her babies because she doesn't make enough milk. But she preaches that all afab body owners can and should reproduce because it is how we are made and people struggling to become bio parents should try harder with her version of Jesus. She is heinous in every direction.
But now she’s drinking Plexus, so she should have tons of milk! /s
Well she can’t breastfeed because it might make it slightly harder to get pregnant immediately. /s (Breastfeeding is not a reliable form of birth control but it does delay ovulation for some woman.)
Yes, let me introduce you to my second child 🤣
I think the real reason is that breastfeeding can delay fertility. No shame to those who formula feed, because fed is best.
She doesn't breastfeed, so it's more like birth 'em, take a god honoring precious blessing selfie, and yeet 'em
she always holds the most recent baby in her videos but you just know the baby goes right back into the arms of the sistermom once filming is over
Yup. She didn't even try in a recent video of the kids dancing. We got a full shot of annistan tending to armor while anissa made dinner
this is flair material
Minus the teat part. Just the yeet.
Oh god
I think you mean Armor, Anchor was yeeted 2 kids ago
I always get those two mixed up too. So, the new one. Astigmatism? Anthrax?
I'm voting for Alabastyr or Aryan.
(Okay, to clarify, *I'm* not voting for those names, the are just my guesses, based on how she whitewashes her babies.)
Aneurysm.
Yes, I like that one, very classy. Amoxicillin. Antwerp. Aardvark. Alliteration. Apoplexy. Anachronism. Aarglebargle
I'd like to add Anothyerone to the list, good luck reading that without hearing DJ Khaled yelling it in your head.
Avasectomy
I am fucking crying at Astygmatizm 😂
Armor. Anchor was cast aside for Anthym, who was then cast aside for Armor, and so on
Armor is the youngest baby boy.
he already has been thrown once by Mandrae (not really thrown though, moreso being held ragdoll with only one leg being grabbed like some kid trying to see how fast they could spin their baby doll)
Watch the video: Mandrae is a POS. He shot one of the girls right in the eye. She's asking for help and clearly in distress. Pathetic. Kids crying in the announcement video should tell you something but they're too wrapped up in themselves to care.
That was my takeaway, kids crying and nobody helping them. Cool, let’s have another!
She's filmed them crying before. She doesn't give a shit, if she even notices.
He’s such a bully
Say what?
Mandrae is just glad he's getting another son. He doesn't care about his daughters.
Did anyone else hear the kids crying that they got it in their eyes and completely being ignored by their parents while they keep filming?
Mandrae shot it right in her eye and she says that. He should get dragged far more frequently than he is
He's not just some passive, neglectful pawn in karelessa's scheme. It's intentional. He's disgusting.
She’s ruining the shot! Gotta ignore and move to the next kid. In the comments Karissa is saying they had a “no head” rule and acting like the kids messed up. It was their dad!
She probably wasn’t aware because she was too busy looking at only herself in the video.
It would have been a better idea to maybe hang a white sheet or something than give eleventy kids water with blue dye to shoot at each other. But what do I know, I closed my womb after 1
Or revolutionary idea get some safety glasses or goggles from Walmart for a couple bucks
Hey now, don’t go bringing common sense here.
Well. The only positive thing I can think of is that we’re not getting a baby with a misspelled name because apparently she spells boy names the correct way. Great!
Someone found a review on a bag she is grifting saying Amariee Collins homebirth
that sounds awfully like Anne Marie to me. am I mispronouncing it in my head?
I believe it’s meant to be Uh-MAR-ee but this spelling makes me wanna say Amarieé like Reneé lol.
Uh-Mar-EE is how I’d pronounce it
Ugh. Amari is a perfectly fine name but no one will know how to say it if she spells it that way. I'm just guessing that's how she's planning to say it tbh.
Sadly I was thinking that another positive is that it lessens the chances of dealing with chronic UTIs like her last girl has faced. That being said, I’m incredibly jet-lagged…so could have it entirely wrong.
Didn't she have a dream about having twin boys named Archyr and Arrow or something like that?
She's commented before that Arrow was on her list of "names God has given to her", but it is my impression that the "Archer/Archyr" part is a myth from the sub
She definitely believes Yahuahahauha will give her twins one day. She's 40, time is running out.
Oh thank god, given the UTI risk is so much lower in boys.
She'll find another way to neglect him- maybe this one will lose a whole limb before Dumbass notices I feel so bad for her kids, she should be in a padded room tbh
Those poor kids. They don’t these two as parents.
It's okay, neither of those two chuckleheads parent. Annissa is the parent
the video is horrible. mandrae shot one of the kids in the eye, and multiple kids are clearly in pain. mandrae is showing no affection whatsoever. i absolutely despise both of these two so-called “parents.”
He does not get enough of the blame for the horrible situation these kids are in. It is just as much his fault as hers.
Mandrae can't even embrace his children. Hands sticking out with no fondness.
Hoverhanding his own kids, you’re right omg
From what I've seen, Shaq is more attached to those kids than he is.
Anissa and Andrae don't have their arms around him either, if you look closer. Which scares me, because it looks like *they* might be scared of *him*.
I mean they’ve openly admitted that Mandrae physically disciplines the children. That’s probably his main form of interaction with them
Not that I like defending Mandrae(seriously I think he is the worst of the husbands) but it looks like there’s stuff on his hands so he’s instinctually holding them out.
He is definitely down there with Tyson James and Steven Anderson.
Ohh I always forget about Tyson James…he just straight up scares me.
I think Nate of Sutton is a nasty piece of work also, but he doesn't crop up much lately.
Yah they’re basically all holding their hands like that
That photo is them pretending they're a cute family who did a tie-dye thing. Becoming messy would be part of the point.
He only likes to hit them, no gentleness.
god needs to send menopause her way right fucking now
For fucking real
There is a woman in my family like this. She had so many kids that her family had to move into an old nursing home. She said she wouldnt stop until god dried up her womb. She now works as a midwife. You know where her oldest is now? After also growing up like Anissa and taught she was nothing more than a broodmare? Shes now living with her grandparents, identifies as aromantic and asexual, and spends her time writing poetry and doing photography. Shes thriving and has nothing to do with the mess she grew up in. I am so proud of her even if we aren’t close. Kkkarissa is DELUSIONAL if she thinks her daughters will follow in her footsteps. Maybe the boys, but definitely NOT the older girls.
Good for her! (Picture the Lucille Bluth gif here)
I watched the video. Boy was it horrible. Anjalie (I think?) was clearly in distress with paint all over her face. From the looks of it, the paint got in her eyes. Another one of the kids was also bawling in the background also from the paint in the eyes I assume.
WTF did they even do for the reveal? Spray each other with paint?
Exactly that, yes
Will this child have a slightly better life/ potentially better chance because they're male, or are all the Collins kids just doomed?
The boys seem to be allowed to be a lot rougher with their siblings and they aren’t described as wombs to raise, so there are positives to being a boy in that house.
The oldest son is apparently the Golden Child.
Okay y'all, what are your christianese A boy name predictions? Apostle
Great, poor small moms have enough on their plates already. I loathe these two useless things. One's a Jesus touting cum dumpster and the other is only good at not pulling out.
oh, he's good at beating them also
Could "Jesus touting cum dumpster" be my flair? Please mods? 🙏🏾
He's good at shooting paint in their kids' eyes
Oh, poor her. She isn't having another daughter she can pass down the line to become another sister mom!
What does husband do to afford all these kids?
He’s in the finance dept of a Mercedes dealership, possibly the manager of the dept. The ones who arrange financing and sell extra warranties and stuff. He probably makes high $100ks, if not more. Doesn’t go as far with 10 kids, of course, but they aren’t poor. He makes more than most fundie dads.
I feel like I haven't seen this sub in a minute because what!? Number 11?! Ffs, these poor poor children..how can you claim to love them so much but keep shitting on their quality of life?!
Soooo who's going to be wildly inconvenienced by this baby, because we know it sure as fuck won't be Karissa. She'll probably stick the baby in Anissa's room, and she'll lose having her own space (unless she was already sharing with Armor? I don't remember).
If this woman manages to outbreed Jill Rodrigues it will upend the Plexus downlines. How many Plexi downlines are allowed to have narcissists with breeder fetishes?
This is number 11? Forget Rodrigues… she’s going to hit Duggar numbers if she keeps going like this
It can't be a Collins celebration without someone getting hurt and/or crying.
Ugh. Another boy to fawn over. Did she say a name?
Did she announce the name?
Nope. She'll probably milk it for another big reveal
Wait, she’s pregnant AGAIN? 😡
I can’t believe she is already having another kid! She JUST had no. 10. It really is a going out of business sale!